⌨coders-cave

[wet girder]

The company I work for is considering starting a huge operation to remove Moq from all projects we have and replacing it with some alternative

Lots of unnecessary work because some idiot didn't think his development decisions through

https://medium.com/@michalsitek/critical-security-vulnerability-in-moq-4-20-0-ffd24739cc49

text version of it

[quartz pumice]

damn

moq fucked up bad

its also now illegal in europe because of that

[next lotus]

LMFAO the author is on some shit

damn, library authors can be evil too now huh...ill start implementing my shit from scratch

[quartz pumice]

wow

[orchid frigate]

Fucking finally you came to your senses

[barren shale]

good luck

[vapid prairie]

Uhh you good bro

[wooden current]

Not the chat to be writing this in 💀

[quartz pumice]

lol

bro sent his thesis

[old mural]

whats moq use fors

[rose pawn]

What is moq

[next lotus]

its for

downloading libraries, on runtime and using said libraries on runtime

imagine npm that works on runtime

[quartz pumice]

ooo that would be useful

[wet girder]

Unit testing. It's used to mock objects and shit

[barren shale]

what

no

moq is for mocking

used for unit testing as jupe said

[wet girder]

We're replacing Moq with something else at work. Literally tens of thousands of code need to be changed

[barren shale]

nsubstitute i would assume

its better anyway

i would not repalce Moq tbh

its too hard for them to do the samething again that people have caught them one time

[wet girder]

One of my coworkers is doing a study on which is the best replacement for it but I did recommend nsubsitute

[wet girder]

All trust is lost and our clients are worth literally hundreds of millions of euros so it's not even a question if we'll do it

It was CEOs orders

[barren shale]

why would your clients worry

it just scans the git file when you build

only the devs should worry

[wet girder]

Our clients are mostly software development companies so they don't really like us having it because if the creator did thiswhat else would they hide in it

[barren shale]

ig true

and even if they are not

if someone read about it in a blog or something and they didnt know anything about programming

they would worry

[wet girder]

Yeah exactly

It's just not worth it for us if we can find a good replacement

We're currently using 4.18 and so we're not rushing the change

It was allowed for us to take our time as long as Moq doesn't get updated

[torpid gazelle]

print ("Hello World!")

[next shell]

Someone should print “hello world” using assembly

Or whatever the fuck Lovelace was using

[jaunty latch]

Not too hard, you just gotta sequence it

[next shell]

Sequence deez nuts

[jaunty latch]

SECTION .data

Msg: db “hello world”,10
MsgLength:equ $ - Msg

SECTION .text

global start
start: 
push dword MsgLength
push dword Msg
push dword 1
sub esp, 4
mov eax, 4
int 80H
add esp, 16

; exit
push dword 0
sub esp, 4
mov eax, 1
int 80H

[jaunty latch]

NOOOOO

[jaunty latch]

Done btw

[orchid frigate]

Why not have a 0 at the end as a null descriptor so that you don't have to specify length each time

I mean I know it's interrupt dependant but at the same time it just seems like a burden

[jaunty latch]

Yeah fair enough, but I’m not really an expert on assembly code, so I just did it the only way I could think of at the time

[orchid frigate]

What's int80 is it an os dependant thing or an x86 thing

[jaunty latch]

Yeah system call

[orchid frigate]

Oh

Yea idk them

[jaunty latch]

Sub esp is for os as well

[jaunty latch]

Assembly code is quite hard to understand, fair enough

[orchid frigate]

I know it pretty well

I know what interrupts are bit

[jaunty latch]

Oh?

[orchid frigate]

But*

I don't know syscalls

I do non os assembly

[jaunty latch]

It was written for OS/X systems

So that makes sense

[orchid frigate]

In x16 for example interrupts are solely bios functions

So I was wondering if it was something similar

[jaunty latch]

Yeah

Anyways

Imma sleep now

It’s quite late

Cya

[orchid frigate]

Good night

[jaunty latch]

Night

[old mural]

For example ?

[quartz pumice]

I'm pretty sure

syscall just jumps rings then fucks with stack and shit I think

So it's int but without being customizable

[orchid frigate]

Damn it jumps rings?!?

Insane

[lofty pewter]

[rose pawn]

Joders jave

[barren shale]

jhut ja juck jp

jou joob

[obsidian pier]

jow jo Jake jeople jngry

[rose pawn]

I was gonna say rizz in my south with j's but auto mod didnt allow it

[quartz pumice]

how to fuck jp?

[prime kiln]

hello cave dwellers

how are you today

[rose pawn]

God

[jaunty latch]

Fox

[radiant agate]

I havent seen the sun for 5 months

[wet girder]

This is what people who learn regex think they're

[distant wraith]

Convenience

[white plover]

Are you a vampire now

[prime kiln]

rip

[barren shale]

there's literally no reason to learn regex

there are regex generators

maybe learn the basics

[distant wraith]

Regex is just symbols and letters, it's not that hard anyway

[barren shale]

programming is just symbols and letters

its not that hard anyway

japanese is just symbols should be easier than regex right?

[distant wraith]

Exactly

[next lotus]

mongodb

[wet girder]

I hate .NET

why can't I throw an error inside try catch and catch the error

It just decided to fucking crash instead of getting caught in the catch

why

[barren shale]

why would you want to throw and expection inside a try catch

you can rethrow expections

other than that you shouldnt be throwing expections inside a catch

[wet girder]

I meant try part

Not in catch

I refactored some code and I didn't need to do it anymore

[barren shale]

you should be able to chain try catches

[next shell]

you should be able to chain try catches

[barren shale]

yeah but not in the catch part

[next lotus]

vs studio treats errors inside try catch as breakpoints

just change it in settings

itll catch the exception and continue the execution

or better yet

use dotnet rider

[wet girder]

🤮

I have visual studio 2022 professional license for work

I'll never change from it

[next lotus]

vs 2022 professional

is not

that different from vs community

and vs is bloated af

[wet girder]

Well yes but I feel professional

[wet girder]

Also kinda true but I still need it for work

[next lotus]

of all ides

ive tried

vs runs the most useless background processes

youre better of with a jetbrains ide like rider

but

rider

is

made

in

java

but all you have to do is dont mind it

c# is still c#

[wet girder]

All my coworkers use vs and we use vs specific tools so not possible for me

[next lotus]

youre writing in a java ide

[quartz pumice]

😭

[jolly field]

@granite bear you’ve ruined this emoji for me…

[granite bear]

Ok

[knotty terrace]

#🌐✔cool-maps

[jolly field]

The emoji hasn’t been the same since…

[dreamy vortex]

💊

here’s some medicine, get well soon

[old mural]

yes

[quartz pumice]

nice

[lapis flint]

[rose pawn]

WHAT

[livid basin]

coding talk

alright bois what we working on

good chat

[orchid frigate]

Currently I'm making a bootloader again

Got inspired by a random blog post on a forum that hasn't been active for 12 years

[lapis flint]

Working on discord bot, it will be rpg in sci-fi setting

[quartz pumice]

lmao

[old mural]

whats a bootloader

[quartz pumice]

[livid basin]

ayy congrats all

im currently making an Idle Clicker Game atm

[barren shale]

getting some bitches

[quartz pumice]

@barren shale

[orchid frigate]

Calmest c++ enjoyer

[orchid frigate]

The thing that boots the operating system after bios

Basically the second program to run when you boot the computer

[lofty pewter]

why not the bios firmware bro

[old mural]

thought so

[junior shard]

Anyone knows how to code in brainfuck?

[dreamy vortex]

Wtf is brainfuck

[junior shard]

Search it up

[wet girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

[dreamy vortex]

Oh I see

👁️

[static solar]

Malbolge is better tbh

[orchid frigate]

malbogle beats brainfuck any dya

[knotty root]

silly name

[shut hare]

[idle grove]

Bro had a full on air raid siren

[quartz pumice]

Absolute Chad

[rose pawn]

I devolved from chad to virgin after the of the website added an API 😪😪😪😪

[rose pawn]

"data is 10 minutes behind" this is so true lol, it was actually the opposite way at first but then they added 1 min cooldown for each request

chad: can store all the data he wants

[trail wind]

Hi

[lapis flint]

[quartz pumice]

pov: your building a project without a .gitignore

[dreamy vortex]

Goodnight coders

[rose pawn]

Its 10 am

[dreamy vortex]

goodnight coders

[dreamy vortex]

funny

[wet girder]

I'd not want to be the lost children

[jolly field]

That’s the evilest thing they could do

[dreamy vortex]

Gn coders

[barren shale]

It’s 1 pm

[orchid frigate]

This entire chat is just vienen having a different time zone and memes

[spare mirage]

Any C++ coders here?

[toxic charm]

Can some one code some races for me

Or give me some instructions

[orchid frigate]

Me

I'm mainly C

[spare mirage]

Nice

[orchid frigate]

Low level C

But I know some c++

[spare mirage]

Wrong channel, this is for coding in general.

[orchid frigate]

Why you need any help?

[spare mirage]

nah, just wanted to know if there are fellow c++ coders here

[orchid frigate]

There are a couple

I think one or two

But I prefer C

[toxic charm]

what is that

[quartz pumice]

\

[wet girder]

I know C++ but I don't actively use it. I use .NET so C# and VB at work and mostly C# or python on my own projects

[barren shale]

stop using python pls

[wet girder]

I haven't started any new projects with it in ages but I use it to maintain @bitter sedge code vase

~ping

Fuck

[barren shale]

that's why you dont use python

[wet girder]

Ok it's fine. Discord api was just being weird

~ping

Is it fine?

[barren shale]

just rewrite it in typescript or C# if you want a headache

i would recommend typescript

[wet girder]

Oh it doesn't have perms to talk in this channel

[wet girder]

Takes so much time tho

[rose pawn]

Pytyon goodd

Leave python alone

[barren shale]

how many commands does it have

[wet girder]

Like 50-70 maybe

Most are pretty simple tho

[rose pawn]

What are the vairables in wyr command

[wet girder]

But I'd want to remake the logic for many of them which would make it take more tome

[wet girder]

The command is broken atm

[rose pawn]

Whyyy

So thats why it never lets you send it

[wet girder]

I should fix it but that also takes time

[rose pawn]

But when it worked what were the attribute and request things

[barren shale]

wtf

rewrite it with slashcommands

1 command everyday

[wet girder]

They were for if you wanted to suggest new stuff for it

[barren shale]

done in 2 months

[wet girder]

Not possible for me. I have like 3-4 days a week I can code and 2-3 of them are like 1-2.5h hours of time

[barren shale]

oh you have school right?

[wet girder]

Work + hobbies

[rose pawn]

Do you live in finland?

[wet girder]

Ye

[rose pawn]

So you are the admin that takes care of coding and bot stuff

Should have got that a long time ago

Ur always here

[wet girder]

Wouldn't be a problem tho if I lived on my own. I live at my parents and the house is crammed so I don't have a room at all. I sleep in my little brother's room and have my desk in the other little brother's room and I have 1 hour bus drive so my workdays take 10-11 hours including trips and preparing for work plus 30 minutes of sitting on the couch thinking about nothing recovering enough from the day to be able to do basic human functions

It's hell really

I can't get myself to do anything because there're so many unnecessary distractions and other bullshit

[wet girder]

Me and cloud share the responsibility for bots. I also handle pretty much the server settings stuff that needs to be done every now and then

Plus I look after mods obviously

I don't moderate anymore tho

[rose pawn]

You do ban ppl sometimes

[rose pawn]

Sounds like you really need an appartment near your work

[wet girder]

Only when the mods need help with a really hard case or there's like someone saying racist shit and I happen to be the first to notice

[wet girder]

The economy is shit rn so it's a risky move. Also I'm saving like 2000€ a month because I live at my parents

[dreamy vortex]

goofnight Cody

[rose pawn]

That would be your mother

[next lotus]

give me your

vb usecase

please

so i can roast you

if you wont, im going to send a very generic VB slander

[wet girder]

I just maintain legacy code

[next lotus]

mmm

the only use case for the likes of java and vb

[barren shale]

sadly people write new shit in java

[next lotus]

they write stinky smelly shit

i hope they get well soon

[wintry crescent]

I know lua and some c++ how hard is c# I'm wanting to learn it?

[wet girder]

If you know C++, C# will be a piece of cake lol

It has similarities to c++ but imo is bit easier to understand

It has more OOP stuff tho

[next lotus]

its like c++

but with naming conventions

and

no pointers

[wet girder]

Basically yeah

[quartz pumice]

randomly typed jmp rip

I wonder how that would work hmm

[orchid frigate]

did it work

[quartz pumice]

idk

[orchid frigate]

I think thats just an infinite loop

[quartz pumice]

im gonna retry in protected mode

[quartz pumice]

yeah I think so too

[orchid frigate]

I dont really know how rip gets incremented tho

[quartz pumice]

I think it just gets incremented after an instruction

[orchid frigate]

so maybe it goes to the next command regardless?

[quartz pumice]

but It might be different when using jmp

because it s setting rip instead of incrementing

[quartz pumice]

idk

[orchid frigate]

right

[quartz pumice]

  mov rax, 0xB8000

  mov byte [rax], 'h'
  mov byte [rax+1], 7
  jmp rip
  mov byte [rax+2], 'i'
  mov byte [rax+3], 7```

[orchid frigate]

but isnt that an instruction by itself

so it should jump to rip rip gets incremented

[quartz pumice]

src/boot.asm:192: error: symbol `rip' not defined

[orchid frigate]

then it jumps to rip again this time rip being...ah fuck idk

[quartz pumice]

well think like in the memory I guess

[orchid frigate]

Yea you cant modify rip

[orchid frigate]

were you doing this in real mode?

[quartz pumice]

protected mode

I dont think it can jump with registers in real mode

[orchid frigate]

what are you working on

[quartz pumice]

bootloader

I restart my os thing

[orchid frigate]

did you make the filesystem part

[quartz pumice]

no im about to do that rn

[orchid frigate]

didnt you make one yourself at some point

either way fat16 sucks to set up

but its worth it in the long run

[quartz pumice]

yeah im doing thatt

its fun

[orchid frigate]

how

[quartz pumice]

until I haved to implement it

[orchid frigate]

yea thats the part that sucks I mean designing one is fun

[slim raven]

i had a power outage during a git commit revert, all the files are now corrupted. Nice

[orchid frigate]

but then you have to like

make the logic behind it work

[slim raven]

They're still on github tho so whatever

[quartz pumice]

yeah

isnt that what happens with like making shit normally

[orchid frigate]

can you show some code

I wanna see how it works

or atleast explain the basics

[quartz pumice]

I havent

yhet

[orchid frigate]

I dont wanna have to deal with fat

[quartz pumice]

😭

[quartz pumice]

same smh

just copy paste whatever you want from fat

and make sure to glue it together

[orchid frigate]

no

[quartz pumice]

and keep it in a readme somewhere

then implement

[orchid frigate]

I have to like

make a driver in the future after the bootloader

so I gotta understand it

I know how it works

but it sucks to implement

[quartz pumice]

fr

[orchid frigate]

as a full driver

and thats only the first part of the bootloader

then I have to move to long mode and deal with paging

paging sucks ass I dont understand it

os dev sucks I love it

[quartz pumice]

lol

[quartz pumice]

cant you like

"pretend" your paging

until you figure out how to page

lol

[orchid frigate]

Yea I do that with every feature

and then I end up with an os that can pretend to do shit

but in reality it doesnt do shit

[quartz pumice]

it seems as if you have too much foresight

[static solar]

macOS reference

[barren shale]

Macs are really good these days

[quartz pumice]

is what they said back in the day

dont succumb to the apple propoganda.

even big brother came saying he was fighting for no evil

[dreamy chasm]

What is coder cave about? I'm new

[quasi wagon]

Room to talk about different coding/programming topics. This chat is NOT WORLDBOX RELATED

[knotty root]

Will there be zubats here?

[rose pawn]

whats that

[wooden kiln]

tutel!

[static solar]

This meme decreased my will to live immensely

[ivory trail]

print “hello world”

[static solar]

SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'

[ivory trail]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[rose pawn]

Google search memes coders will like

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-coding-when-the-coding-when-the-coding-is-when-the-meme-gif-21749595

[orchid frigate]

it could be written in a syntax he made

He could have written a compiler for all you know

a flexer

the full thing

[static solar]

Fully possible

But why send it here?

[orchid frigate]

The fact this is only partially right makes me want to commit war crimes in arma again

[static solar]

Hey, I recently bought Arma

[orchid frigate]

because when people see "coders cave" they think "hmmm I dont understand this but might aswell pretend I do for the sake of it"

[orchid frigate]

which one

[static solar]

Arma 3

[orchid frigate]

are you playing multiplayer

I recently got into it its like 1000 times better than singleplayer

[static solar]

I haven‘t played it yet, set aside this weekend to get into it

[orchid frigate]

I found this cool server

Its so fucking good

[static solar]

Which one?

[orchid frigate]

maybe best game I have played

[orchid frigate]

I will send you a link

its really fun

[static solar]

Alright, thanks

[wintry crescent]

Really thank you God my uncle works in database field and told me i would most likely have a hard time learning some other languages such a relief does make kinda since since I accidentally saw some code to a website clicking shit without paying attention 😀

[orchid frigate]

Dont listen to me over him but I think c++ is easier overall

[wintry crescent]

It's more like you lay down and try to sleep but the computer is right there and you want to try again

[orchid frigate]

he works in the field and is more experienced

but my personal opinion is c# is very very complicated because I hate OOP with a pssion

I prefer simpler languages like C

[wintry crescent]

Ay 90% of people here are more experienced so advice or just listing to most can be good

[wintry crescent]

That is for sure

[orchid frigate]

c++ is only complicated if you want it to be

I dont like the language because it tried to modernize a language by brining oop

but its badly executed

so it sucks in comparison to c#

[wintry crescent]

Very true

Certain things are certainly easier to script than others

[orchid frigate]

and tbh if you need oop that much

idk

I started with c# its good

but Im sticking to C

if you want you could look into rust

its a really good modern multi purpose language

my favourite language tbh

[wintry crescent]

Also your first you would most likely understand it more than other languages

[orchid frigate]

its the second last language I learned I think

its hard

its different

but its really fucking good

[wintry crescent]

Oh

[orchid frigate]

Once you learn it its super enjoyable

[wintry crescent]

That is something some coding languages are funner than others

Other than when your doing something really repetitive

[orchid frigate]

eh a language is as fun as you make it

For instance everyone hates on assembly

I like it

its weird

but its...weirdly enjoyable to understand

but until you understand its like banging your head against a rock trying to understand something cant even get the base of

[wintry crescent]

Well sometimes when I don't know something I will keep trying different versions of a script but I love when I discover something new in a language I know c++ but I still am learning in some categories

[wintry crescent]

It's really imbarrasing but I started off with lua from roblox bro 💀 I was 14 Disappointing

[quartz pumice]

thats where alot of people nowadays start

roblox's docs are so fucking good too

just need to learn lua on your own

roblox isnt even simple either, if anything its more complicated to use

[wintry crescent]

I know lol

[wintry crescent]

That's something I like how it truly made it easier to learn

I watched videos

But after learning enough just practice

[wintry crescent]

I think it's in the middle

Nothing to simple

But nothing overly complicated

[quartz pumice]

as all things should be

[wintry crescent]

Yep lol

[lapis flint]

[feral bramble]

[untold grail]

[fierce island]

X2

[knotty root]

💀

[fresh imp]

I hate lua

[orchid frigate]

Noone likes lua

Those that do are like people with childhood trauma

They don't know any better

[barren shale]

time to see what this shit is really about

[vagrant aurora]

the only popular program ik of thats in lua is roblox

and who tf thinks: man, im going to make a roblox game

[quartz pumice]

I tired using it

kept getting segfaults

that was literally a few days after it was announced though

and before you could download it

[static solar]

Garry‘s Mod mods are also in lua

[vagrant aurora]

oh neat

[lofty phoenix]

teardown is lua, cool game

[barren shale]

ill try to rebuild my raymarching implementation with it

it will probably be faster than rust since i can run it in parallel

[jaunty latch]

Factorio is if you have heard of that

So is angry birds I believe

Now that I think about it

I’m pretty sure World of Warcraft is too

[quartz pumice]

It's what!???

[jaunty latch]

Oh

Built in lua

Lol

[barren shale]

wow is not built in lua

they use lua for scripting

and im sure factorio is c++

lua is a scripting language do not make games in lua

or apps

its super slow

[orchid frigate]

dont make anything in lua in general

you cant trust a language which chooses to begin its indexes at 1

[wet girder]

So is angry birds

[still bramble]

Hello

Why do you desperately need coders?

[orchid frigate]

because the chat is dead and I cant flex on anyone that I can make useless things

[still bramble]

I’m at a family event I can’t hear you flex sorry

Maybey next time

[rose pawn]

Image unrelated

Actually ima delete it

[knotty root]

"i use arch btw"

[orchid frigate]

The thing is I used to I began using linux with arch because I thought it was custimizable

problem is 1) I had no idea what im doing 2) I put all disk memory on home instead on root

[static solar]

I am happy with my Debian, thank you

[orchid frigate]

because I thought home was the main folder I was gonna use

turns out

im a fucking idiot

[quartz pumice]

What's with putting different folders on a different partition

[orchid frigate]

its not bad

but its not

not good

[static solar]

I am happy with it

Don’t plan to switch

[orchid frigate]

I was an idiot I didnt know putting everything on root was logical

[quartz pumice]

Lol

[orchid frigate]

Last time I tried it it was buggy

like really buggy

[static solar]

You just need to tap dance around a few things

[orchid frigate]

I like kali the most tbh

[quartz pumice]

Only trust the tutorials with an Indian accent

[static solar]

But it is really really solid

[orchid frigate]

kali is lightweight enough to not be a burden but to also not be empty and its quite stable

I tried dark arch or whatever its called but it also sucked

I have tried alot of distros most for like a night

most were buggy

[quartz pumice]

imagine a raw distro that has a package manager that downloads from any package manager

a shit ton of helpful features, includes every library needed for popular project

something as easy as windows but linux

[orchid frigate]

if linux became more popular and more mainstream this could be a reality

but right now the only people that use linux are programmers and its only for programming purposes so its not needed

[quartz pumice]

imagine a future where most software used is open source

[orchid frigate]

and most are on wsl

[quartz pumice]

anything microsoft makes for programmers is a godsend from heaven

[orchid frigate]

imagine windows open source

actually no

[quartz pumice]

frfr

[orchid frigate]

it would be destroyed

every major corporation will collapse

in a day

[quartz pumice]

lol

btw windows kernel is actually on github

a microsoft employee sent out the link accidentally

its ofc private

but all it would take is a rogue employee to public it for a few seconds

for windows to become open source

[orchid frigate]

people will start making windows distros

[quartz pumice]

frfr

[orchid frigate]

tbh could be fun

they could make like a mini windows that is open source

so that people can expend on it

but they wouldnt make any money

so they wouldnt do that

[quartz pumice]

hmm yeaha

Im sure just the kernel being open sourced wouldnt end that bad for them

but there would be alot of media backlash because "open source" = bad to anyone not experienced

[orchid frigate]

open source can be bad

all it takes is like one accidental leak

to make billions of dollars worth of damage

so thats probably why they never would

[quartz pumice]

my dumbass cant find out what damage would happen 😭

[orchid frigate]

You see how the system operates so you have more insight on how it works

you see vulnerablities you couldnt before

[quartz pumice]

thats what everyone thinks

[orchid frigate]

so viruses will basically get steroids

[quartz pumice]

but windows is battle tested for like 30 years now?

[orchid frigate]

its multiple million lines of code

they cant control all of it

[quartz pumice]

ofc

but its been battle tested for 30 years

[orchid frigate]

in defence the more secrecy the better

[orchid frigate]

yes but it wasnt open source

if it was open source

there probably would have been problems

[quartz pumice]

linux is open source but its not easy to find vulnerabilities

and if your really talking about that, why not look through the windows asm source to find vulnerabilities?

[orchid frigate]

at this point just go byte to byte

[orchid frigate]

eh

its entire system is one giant vulnerability because it wasnt made for corporations to use

[quartz pumice]

battle tested for 30 years

[orchid frigate]

if you really want to break into a system you could

[quartz pumice]

thats the same for every project though

I cant believe that open sourcing would be a security issue

I just cant believe it

[orchid frigate]

Idk I'm not an expert in security in fact I don't know almost anything

It just seems like it

You can ask jupe I'm sure he knows

[quartz pumice]

am making gdt now

[quartz pumice]

well im trying

it wont stop triple faulting in the bios interrupt 😭

[orchid frigate]

Do you mean idt

[quartz pumice]

no I said that wrong 😭

[orchid frigate]

I have never spent more than like 10.minutes making a gdt

[quartz pumice]

this ```x86asm
GDT64: ; 64 bit gdt
.Null: equ $ - GDT64
dq 0
.Code: equ $ - GDT64
dd 0xFFFF ; Limit & Base (low, bits 0-15)
db 0 ; Base (mid, bits 16-23)
db PRESENT | NOT_SYS | EXEC | RW ; Access
db GRAN_4K | LONG_MODE | 0xF ; Flags & Limit (high, bits 16-19)
db 0 ; Base (high, bits 24-31)
.Data: equ $ - GDT64
dd 0xFFFF ; Limit & Base (low, bits 0-15)
db 0 ; Base (mid, bits 16-23)
db PRESENT | NOT_SYS | RW ; Access
db GRAN_4K | SZ_32 | 0xF ; Flags & Limit (high, bits 16-19)
db 0 ; Base (high, bits 24-31)
.TSS: equ $ - GDT64
dd 0x00000068
dd 0x00CF8900
.Pointer:
dw $ - GDT64 - 1
dq GDT64

[orchid frigate]

Usually copy pasted

[quartz pumice]

yeah

[orchid frigate]

Ah so you are making a tss too

[quartz pumice]

no idea what a tss is lol

  mov di, 0x8004          ; Set di to 0x8004. Otherwise this code will get stuck in `int 0x15` after some entries are fetched 
    xor ebx, ebx        ; ebx must be 0 to start
    xor bp, bp        ; keep an entry count in bp
    mov edx, 0x0534D4150    ; Place "SMAP" into edx
    mov eax, 0xe820
    mov [es:di + 20], dword 1    ; force a valid ACPI 3.X entry
    mov ecx, 24        ; ask for 24 bytes

    int 0x15``` im trying to get a memory map then im gonna fill every type 1 from it in the gdt but this ^ triple faults

[orchid frigate]

Last time I did it it basically switches the stack on stack overflow I think

[rose pawn]

What are you doing higabana?

[quartz pumice]

osdev

[orchid frigate]

Make an idt first

[rose pawn]

Osdev

Let me google that

[quartz pumice]

wouldnt a new idt invalidate the bios interrupts?

[orchid frigate]

Also why the fuck are you making it in assembly

Why are you making it in real mode

[quartz pumice]

because elf wants me to be in a setup protected mode

[quartz pumice]

naw this is in compatibility mode

[quartz pumice]

this is copy pasted from osdev

[orchid frigate]

I feelike you are making this more.difficult than it has to be

[quartz pumice]

yeah

[orchid frigate]

Why are you in compatibility mode

[quartz pumice]

because int 0x15 only works in compatibility mode right?

[orchid frigate]

Ah?

[quartz pumice]

my confusion is what happens when you trust osdev wiki in the slightest

[orchid frigate]

Like ah= what

[quartz pumice]

well eax = 0xe820

so

[orchid frigate]

Oh wow

So what is the end goal here

I don't know compatibility mode

[quartz pumice]

32 bit mode from long mode

[quartz pumice]

make a gpt 😭

[orchid frigate]

I have so many questions

Why not just go

Real -> protected -> long

[quartz pumice]

well it goes from

Real -> protected -> long -> compat -> trying to call int 0x15

[orchid frigate]

Ok

So

When in long mode

Can you make an idt

Without it interfering with compat mode

[quartz pumice]

I think so

[orchid frigate]

Because you need it it's better to never have triple faults

[orchid frigate]

Nah but I feel like compat switches idts

Maybe

[quartz pumice]

I think theres 2 idt registers for long mode and protected mode

[orchid frigate]

Ok wait

Do you want to setup a general gdt

That doesn't do anything fancy

Nor has a tss

Basically ignoring gdt for as long as possible

[quartz pumice]

I have allready

I think what im trying to do is read the memory map and make a new gdt that expresses that

am I supposed to make a fancy gdt before or after running kernel

[rose pawn]

@main brook how have you been rei

[quartz pumice]

@main brook are u adachi rei

[orchid frigate]

Always better to do it during

As you aren't working in assembly

Unless you have to

[quartz pumice]

fr ok

[rose pawn]

Damn reis last message was 4 months ago

[quartz pumice]

so ill go figure elf out

and deal with gdt later

[orchid frigate]

Yes

Anything complicated

[rose pawn]

I miss rei they are epic

[orchid frigate]

You avoid

And if you want to

Wait if you have elf

Did you make a fs driver

[quartz pumice]

oh shit I forgot to do that

[orchid frigate]

😭

How do you have elf then

And whh

[quartz pumice]

elf file

I think I just pasted it right after bootloader

if its even on the disc

[orchid frigate]

Yes why not just put a binary

Considering you don't even have a file system

[quartz pumice]

gcc can output binary?

[orchid frigate]

You can objcopy the binary from an elf

[quartz pumice]

well yeah but I can only think of like 20 ways that can break everything

[orchid frigate]

But I think it messes with linking

[quartz pumice]

I think gcc expects everything to be loaded into virtual addresses exactly how it wants it to be

[orchid frigate]

Still better to try than to write an elf reader

In assembly

[quartz pumice]

lol

it actually seems pretty easy

elf is very simple

[orchid frigate]

Last time I did it was while doing UEFI for the first and last time

UEFI sucka

[quartz pumice]

yeah uefi is.. 💀

[orchid frigate]

I try to read a filw

[quartz pumice]

windows uefi isnt even in spec thats how fucking bad it is

[orchid frigate]

Somehow the fucking emulator crashed

[quartz pumice]

lol fr

we need intel or someone to make a new uefi thats really fucking simple

intel made the first uefi so I Dont think they can be trustable

microsoft isnt known for good practices

windows.h jumpscare

google idk

[orchid frigate]

Nah we just need one person to deal with UEFI once and make a proper bootloader in it

And noone ever to touch it again

[quartz pumice]

well yeah but people haved to make a uefi bios too

motherboard developers

[orchid frigate]

They can like touch electricity or whatever they do I don't care about them

Set the bits physically just right

[quartz pumice]

lol

oh have u ever proggrammed on a 1401

[orchid frigate]

No

I wanted to but I don't wanna buy one

[quartz pumice]

https://rolffson.de/

[orchid frigate]

Hmmm might try it

I did try to write on a programmable controller but I had no idea what I'm doing so I stopped

When J get bored messing with vulkan I will try

Which may be soon because vulkan is boring as fuck

[quartz pumice]

fr

[quartz pumice]

btw if you have a shitty computer like me set the textures to ultra or whatever the highest is and everything else low

😭

its very laggy

[orchid frigate]

Nah mine is fine

Not streamer computer but not bad

It's the embodiment of mid

[main brook]

WHO

AWAKEN ME FROM MY SLUMBER

[main brook]

wiser

[main brook]

what?

[quartz pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-rei-utau-anime-dance-dancing-gif-17382802501603479342

are you her ^

[rose pawn]

Me

[main brook]

no

im not

[rose pawn]

who are you then

[main brook]

well its okay

im just rei

im me

[rose pawn]

Whats rei

Seriously is thay like ur realy name or whay

[main brook]

R word
Entity
In life

[rose pawn]

Ok

[main brook]

yes

its literally my name

[rose pawn]

Cool

[main brook]

if you'll excuse me im gonna finish my face routine ill be back in a bit

[rose pawn]

What's a face routine

[main brook]

skin care?

ig

[rose pawn]

Oh its skin care

Ye i googled

[main brook]

idk im stress out my new laptop having a broken windows 10

should i install Mint or Manjaro @rose pawn

or Ubuntu with cinnamon GUI

[rose pawn]

I DUNNO THOSE TERMS

[rose pawn]

Mint because its my fav icecream flavour

[main brook]

mint has fixed update

and based on debian

also there's no chocolate chip on it

[main brook]

but fr same

i like mint flavour

[rose pawn]

Then mint it is

[patent storm]

[barren shale]

You should keep windows

More reliable

https://youtu.be/0506yDSgU7M?si=wxkAxyHdbVqoOPvH

I’ve been using windows 11 for a year and I have 0 problems

I used Ubuntu for 2 years because I fried my old laptops GPU and windows refused to boot

Had a billion problems

Basics apps crashed a lot

Tried to delete an app but for some reason 5 different apps stopped working so I had to reinstall them

And a lot more

If you want to use Linux you can either WSL it or dual boot

Never daily drive Linux thank you

[wet girder]

When was this?

[barren shale]

I got my laptop a year ago

But I ended up fixing windows in the last 6 months of my old laptop

So probably like 3 and a half years ago

[wet girder]

Ubuntu is fine for like basic stuff. It's reliable if you just use the browser like statistically most people do but when you start messing with stuff it starts to break if you don't know what you're doing

[next lotus]

lunux te ch tips?????!??!

the same linu s tech tips that sexyally harrassed their coworker???

the same linux te ch tips that cucked companies????

linus tech tips bad!!!!!!!!

[barren shale]

Idk a couple of apps I downloaded using the store crashed a lot

[barren shale]

Yeah the same one

[wet girder]

He didn't personally sexually harass anyone

[barren shale]

If you don’t trust every single Linus video because he fucked 5 videos up idk what to tell you 😂

Everyone makes mistakes

[wet girder]

LTT has some quality issues and ongoing sexual harassment investigation but most of their videos are still fun to watch and somewhat informative

Plus the quality issues have been addressed to a great amount and are getting addressed continuously

Boycotting LTT makes no sense anymore. They owned up to their mistakes and fixed them

[barren shale]

Yeah having problems is common and not an issue

Ignoring problems is a problem

But they seem to be working on it so it’s all good

[wet girder]

The sexual harassment issue might be more problematic tho but currently there's no proof of anything and it's being investigated

[barren shale]

yeah but people are people

you cant really know if an employee is gonna be a problem before you hire them

[wet girder]

Plus it happened when Linus was CEO and Linus has said that he's not a good CEO and that's why there's a new CEO

[main brook]

nah its windows with kms

unlocker

[karmic sigil]

Nah?

[rose pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-gif-gif-26316715

[obtuse trout]

🤭👍

[pseudo carbon]

U can use like 3 commands in cmd and get free windows activation

[main brook]

fr?

[pseudo carbon]

Yes

[main brook]

too late tho

[pseudo carbon]

I do my own it work

[main brook]

my laptop ssd is a piece of dog crap

windows did the bsod

when i restart

and now it wont boot windows

and I can't install linux because of something

the disk is behaving weirdly

frfr

like when i check it

its alright

but when i dod

fdisk -l /dev/sda

it shows

input/output error

when i do it again

/dev/sda doesn't exist apparently

its just poof

and im dmesg, the size became 0

for absolutely no reason

but it has 4 partition if list it

in /dev there's sda1-4

[pseudo carbon]

He retired

[main brook]

and its definitely not a RAID

but not AHCI

cause the only possible explanation is that

[main brook]

fr

bro ive been fixing this from

16:00 till 21:40

and i have math exam tomorrow im gonna doe

die

why windows sucks ass

windows broken installation made my whole ssd unusable

[pseudo carbon]

I dont need go to school tommorow

Cuz i sick

[barren shale]

https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

just a random github link

i love how microsoft owns github but cant do any thing about people sharing windows activators there because its for "eductaional" purposes >:)

[knotty root]

Get well soon

[hardy jay]

1000101001010001011001010101010101010010101101001100110100110101011000101101010110100101010010101011101

[knotty root]

Agreed

[royal dust]

My discord bot said their first words

[static solar]

Discord developing is a curse

[quartz pumice]

Pycord, solves all your problems

[silent root]

fuck unity

[rose pawn]

Yes

Hellos to the magestic coders of #⌨coders-cave what is your opinion on new unity news

[barren shale]

agreed

especially when any glitch will be abused to its limits

[static solar]

It‘s not a problem for me, more than 200.000 people won‘t download my shitty games

[barren shale]

good idea bad execution

[orchid frigate]

What news

[rose pawn]

I dont even know lol some ppl are mad

[orchid frigate]

I don't use unity but have used it

What are they doing

[rose pawn]

Oh i remembered

For those using the free version of unity they made it that each time their game is sold they need to pay unity or something

[orchid frigate]

Another reason to make your own engine tbh

Or roll without one

Out of the many others

Or use one of those smaller non graphic open source engines that are pretty much just renderers

[static solar]

After their game is sold over 200.000 times every unique download will cost 20 cents

The code is also easily to disable too, apparently

[barren shale]

not sold but downloaded

its complicated

they are charging based on installs

its stupid

[static solar]

Unique downloads, to be exact

[static solar]

Yeah

[barren shale]

impossible

requires too much tracking

[royal dust]

I know

[knotty root]

I Remember coding Part of Superhot, it was the particals 😦

😭

[royal dust]

Woah

[knotty root]

It was too easy

[barren shale]

uhhh too busy

for now use properties when you want a public variable in a class

and use fields when you want private variables

properties give you the option to set different modifiers for the getter and the setter

public int Number { get; private set; }

yeah

yeah

its a different variable then if its a different file

go read about scopes

even within the same file you can have two variables with the same name but can be diffretent

you dont

you just have two

yeah

[wet girder]

level++ is a cleaner way to do that tho

no python bullshit

[barren shale]

var input = Console.ReadLine();
var number = int.Parse(input);

[barren shale]

well that's on you

you probably fed the console letters instead of numbers

oh wait what

[orchid frigate]

How does it know what to cast it to

[barren shale]

you want to convert int to string not string to int

[orchid frigate]

Don't you need to like

Tell it the exact type

[barren shale]

its int.Parse

so it casts it to an int

[orchid frigate]

Oh

Aren't there a few types of ints

[barren shale]

no?

[orchid frigate]

Like different bits

[barren shale]

yeah there is a long

which is double the int size

but then you do long.Parse

[orchid frigate]

So there isn't like

Int32 or

How do you use unsigned ints

[barren shale]

that's the name of the struct not the primitive

uint is unsighned

[orchid frigate]

Ulong?

[barren shale]

var number = 123;
var text = number.ToString();

[barren shale]

ulong ushort

just add a u

[orchid frigate]

So it goes char->short->int->long?

[barren shale]

you mean byte

[orchid frigate]

Is there no char

Chars are 8bit

[barren shale]

char is for characters though

[orchid frigate]

Yes

[barren shale]

this turns the number in the variable to a string

[orchid frigate]

But in c++ you can use them for anything

8bit

[barren shale]

well you can too but there are two types so you can handle both properly

when you print a char it prints the actual character but when you print a byte it will print the number

[orchid frigate]

Are there valid strings in c=

C#

[barren shale]

Console.ReadLine does not read ints

[orchid frigate]

Or is it like

[barren shale]

it only reads string

[orchid frigate]

Const char

[barren shale]

so you dont need to convert

[orchid frigate]

Too

[barren shale]

what do you mean valid strings

that's just for safe parsing

same thing over all

bro you dont need to convert

its already a string

[orchid frigate]

In c++ without the std strings are just a constant pointer to a bunch of characters

[barren shale]

Console.ReadLine returns a string

[orchid frigate]

In c# it's probably the same

But does it have a structure

[barren shale]

well yeah a string is an array of characters

[orchid frigate]

To handle them easier

[barren shale]

you can use it like an array

that's turning a string into an int

not int to a string

var text = Console.ReadLine();
var option = int.Parse(text);

[orchid frigate]

@knotty root this is like the fifth time you try to learn c#

[wet girder]

After you learn it well once you'll never forget it

I read and write C# code 7.5 hours a day 5 days a week so it's engrained pretty deep into my brain at this point

[barren shale]

technically not broken

just use an lga motherboard

[azure steppe]

i personally find the salt from sea water cleans them pretty well

[knotty root]

My heart-

[wet girder]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-4488630

[knotty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561561445959991298/1152196671523004467/IMG_8873.png

My only message here (I do not belong here)

Just thought would be revelant

[static solar]

My man‘s still pushing panic about this

Pretty old news + it doesn‘t even affect the average Unity user

[olive helm]

If f2p developers take down their games it would for us wouldn’t it? Idk

[static solar]

Most f2p mobile games I know aren‘t written in Unity

And are also not downloaded 200.000 times a month

[olive helm]

See I wouldn’t know lol

[knotty root]

Actually it may lead to the shutdown of some goofy 60 MB games which is kinda good.

However, we may lose some hidden gems too

[rugged veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-ban-this-guy-gif-21304842

[quartz pumice]

Not allowed!!

[static solar]

No it wouldn't

A hidden gem is not downloaded more than 200.000 times a month

[quartz pumice]

is anyone else getting 500 errors randomly using github?

[royal dust]

Wow I just heard unity did something terrible
they jacked up their prices
and devs are pissed
if unity stock is going down monday I wouldnt be suprised

[feral bramble]

here's the detail https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates
Only games that meet the following thresholds qualify for the Unity Runtime Fee:

• Unity Personal and Unity Plus: Those that have made $200,000 USD or more in the last 12 months AND have at least 200,000 lifetime game installs.
• Unity Pro and Unity Enterprise: Those that have made $1,000,000 USD or more in the last 12 months AND have at least 1,000,000 lifetime game installs.

[royal dust]

still pissy and pissess me off

Id rather use now

godu or unreal