⌨coders-cave

[quartz pumice]

I cant fix this for some reason

I put debug in "rdx" but it wont work still for some reason

[rose pawn]

Make a virus that will destroy #🌎general

[quartz pumice]

select * in table messages where channel=522561390330904587
the number is the channel ID

oh shoot I forgot the rest of the bruh

[quartz pumice]

delete from messages where channel=522561390330904587

[rose pawn]

Mods in this server are so shitty that a random passerby mod could ban me for something like "channel hack plot"

[quartz pumice]

lmao

[rose pawn]

I hope a meteor strikes where the irl server for this server is located

[quartz pumice]

delete from messages where channel= #🌎general - looks cooler

[rose pawn]

I hope some admin gets hacked and their hacker deletes all channels overnight

[quartz pumice]

If you can convince an admin to invite a bot I can legitimately do that

if their response time is fast enough they might kick the bot before real damage tho

[rose pawn]

Target the furry admin

[hardy field]

[rose pawn]

Hello

[quartz pumice]

I need help 😭

[rose pawn]

Nice to meet you

[hardy field]

Calm down & vent about the server, outside of the server

[rose pawn]

Okay dont delete my messages

Goodbye

Ily all ❤️

[hardy field]

And please, do not plan on hacking people, that will get you banned.

[quartz pumice]

hey uh... can you invite my bot?
hha full cap just kidding

[quartz pumice]

Help :ob:

stuck on it for 2 dayw

If I get that running I can start using C wich I can debug

[rose pawn]

Ask chat gpt

[quartz pumice]

chatgpt isnt smart enough

it literally just summarizes the thing

[rose pawn]

Have you tried

[orchid frigate]

I bet this would be easier done in C

considering you are already out of the first sector why not write the second stage in C

[quartz pumice]

this is the thing thats setting up to run c 💀

gcc-elf outputs larger than 512 bytes 😭

I gave up on that and im rewriting it entirely

though osdev wiki isnt really giving alot of useful information on ata pio, its jsut throwing information at me

[quartz pumice]

bruh it is im just not reading it right

still taking a while to read it tho lmao

I just haved to get this working then I can write literally everything else in c!!!

[quartz pumice]

how tf do I fix a drive fault @orchid frigate

I set LBA

im assuming that its lba28 (I haved to do something to change that, right?)

rewritten code that drive faults

im not doing anything different.. infact the example driver osdevwiki gives doesnt even setup lba, yet still uses it

its only like 100 lines longer

[quartz pumice]

I cant even
find out why theres an error in the first place

this is fucking torture

2 hours having an error, not even knowing what kind of error it is

funny thing is im copy pasting stuff and those dont work either

followed every step here

im also software resetting before doing anything

I havent actually removed that should try removing that

still happens

HOLY SHIT

I JUST MADE IT NORMAL ERROR

NO DRIVE FUALT

mov dx, 0x1F2   ; select the "features" register
mov al, 0x01    ; allow LBA
out dx, al

mov dx, 0x1F7   ; select the "command/status" register
mov al, 0xEF    ; send the "SET FEATURES" command
out dx, al``` THIS IS WHY ITS DRIVE FAULTING

THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!

wtf is dma

hold on

oh nice

Im gonna rewrite it for DMA

cuz I cant solve the drive fault thing

http://bos.asmhackers.net/docs/dma/docs/howto_dma.php.htm ive found the oldest website on the internet

[quartz pumice]

lmao ```This register really shows how incompatible the 8237 is with the PC hardware.

Let's start with EXTW and COMP. These increase the speed of DMA transfer by 25% be removing one of the clock cycles. Does it work? No.
PRIO. When zeroed, this allows DMA priorities to be rotated allowing freedom and liberty for all peripherals that share the data bus. Does it work? No.
MMT and ADHE. Did you know that the IBM PC could do memory to memory transfers since 1981? That's right, hardware sprites, hardware frame buffering from one location to another. Does it work? No.
COND. Hooray the only bit in the control register that does something useful. Setting this bit disables the DMA controller.```

Used for memory to memory transfers and setting up priority rotation -- absolutely useless.

"Intermediate" Registers 0x0D and 0xDA (Read)
Never implemented on PCs. Useless.```

I love whoever tf made this article

https://wiki.osdev.org/DMA

[quartz pumice]

Who tf ghost pinged me

[orchid frigate]

You are in the second sector

You are in long mode

[barren shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693897754753105942/919001950413008906/image0-238.gif

[orchid frigate]

What else do you need

Also spending so much time writing this doesn't make sense considering you will definitely not be using your own bootloader in the future

Might as well just put the kernel somewhere in memory from the start and think about fs when you have already figured out everything else

[barren shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/703227677506666538/1078028152867131463/snout-scratch.gif

[orchid frigate]

Wait a fucking second are you reading the disk without bios

Thats insane

Especially before you even have a kernel

If you want to actually write kernel C which I know you do use multiboot 2 or limine

Setting up things is much easier and the bootloader can be written in C

And the entire bootloader will mainly consist of verifying the info structure and setting up long mode

[quartz pumice]

bro I have no idea what order to do things im just trying to get the perfect environment for kernel

I should probably just read the entire kernel via bios tho

wait no if I can fit a working entry.asm into 212 bytes I can fit it in the bootloader

and I just found out dma cant read above 1 megabyte anyways lmao

WHOA WHAT

[quartz pumice]

okay

Im having issues again

@orchid frigate I have it in my bootloader now doing bios functions

at the label "next" im trying to dynamically read sectors from my kernel, save them in a buffer, then eventually move it to where it should be

im skipping the first 44 bytes because the first 44 bytes is the kfs header

[rose pawn]

Why is this slowed down 😭

[orchid frigate]

It's not bad you are doing this but

It's a bit too early

Your first and most important task should be getting the c kernel running in the easiest way possible

Disk IO without bios is insanely complicated compared to some of the other basic stuff even the kernel will do

And doing it later in C will make the process much easier because you will no longer get random triple faults but you will have the IDT to give you actually meaningful messages

And when you learn it well enough to do it in C you can just do the same in assembly in the bootloader even tho I still think it's better to let a real bootloader handle that for you

[ember musk]

r3d4UdZrmZ

tkPFF1Y7Rn

[burnt marsh]

?

[ember musk]

Math

[quartz pumice]

I actually havent gotten a triple fault yet

[waxen saffron]

Народ я на питоне писал кредитный калькулятор и застрял еще в начале короче я спрашиваю пользователя на какую сумму он хочет кредит от 50000 до 2000000 и если пользователь пишет чтото меньше или больше этих значений то надо чтобы программа не останавливалась а снова предоставлялась возможнось написать ответ так вот как это сделать?

Если через цикл то можете написать пример?

[fading obsidian]

шчат аре ыоу саыинг?

[orchid frigate]

How

Is that even possible

When I was making my bootloader i was getting a triple fault every other run

[quartz pumice]

Oh is it when it restarts randomly

I thought it would be more dramatic than that

[wide crow]

чего

no word can start with "ы"

[orchid frigate]

Yep that's a triple fault

You can check with the qemu logs if you are using qemu

[quartz pumice]

lol

[quartz pumice]

yeah how do I do that? when I try ot output as file nothing works

[orchid frigate]

Double faults are a bit better because they at least give you an idea on what went wrong and don't just restart

[orchid frigate]

Lemme check the exact arguments

-d cpu_reset -D "file"

[quartz pumice]

I setup logging and it doesnt acrtually log anything

[quartz pumice]

oh thx

there we go

doesnt really help me if even ip is 0 💀

[orchid frigate]

That's the first CPU reseg

It always happens on every run

Idk why even if it doesn't triple fault it still happens

So don't worry about it

[quartz pumice]

oh ok

maybe its clever trick to load bios from rom without CPU messing around

[orchid frigate]

Idk but if you wanna get the full qemu experience++

You can also put all the stuff you send to serial to a file

-serial file:"file"

Very very useful for debugging

Ever since I found out about this I have almost never printed to the screen

[fading obsidian]

我只道

我会说中文

[orchid frigate]

Wrong

I think that ثتصزث

[fading obsidian]

为什么

[fading obsidian]

这个 是很丑

[wide crow]

🥶

[fading obsidian]

bing qi ling

[knotty root]

coems🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[earnest wraith]

You’re more cringe than a cricket after a nuclear explosion watching Shrek 5 on a Friday afternoon.

[rose pawn]

Bro used all the keyboard word recommendations

Job is a little different from what you mean about it and it was ss to be the first thing to say about the new year old and the other imp

[orchid frigate]

That's why I had to go to the point where I don't have to to help me a PowerPoint presentation

🥹🥹🥹

[rose pawn]

Was no problem jetzt I have to be at school today during PE and then we will have 😃👍

[orchid frigate]

Let's take this to DMS lad

You said too.much right there

😠

[quartz pumice]

I got around to working on it again, my cpu triple faults trying to jump to the c code

I just did "jmp 0x7E00+64"

I changed it to read from the correct sector and now its failing 64 bytes in

[orchid frigate]

Yep that far jump is the hardest part of the bootloader

It took me a while to get it to work

Check how you link your files together

And to understand the process better make a new dummy bootloader,get it to long mode and far jump from it

It will make it easier to understand

[balmy gyro]

Koems

[visual nova]

🤑

[quartz pumice]

  mov rax, 0x7E00
  add rax, qword [rax+24]
  jmp rax ; jump to the memory where entry.c is```

this should run it right?

instead of just hoping theres nothing inbetween the elf header and entry

now it triple faults when its in the mood

every like 3-4 seconds

[quartz pumice]

hold on wtf it triple faulted while in 32 bit mode?

and here it is in 64 bit mode.. weird ahh

[orchid frigate]

That's such a weird way to do that

[main brook]

surrealdb is so cool

like

you can have checks for data in the db itself

but kinda awful since the Dev doesn't give us documentation for communicating with the server

i think the devs are tryna make the client library themselves

[orchid frigate]

Wait hold up I just realized

You are telling me the entire bootloader including stage 2

Is in the first sector?!

[quartz pumice]

Uhhh

Maybe

[orchid frigate]

You didn't put stage 2 at 0x7e00

[quartz pumice]

I put kernel

[orchid frigate]

No

The bootloader is huge

It needs more than that space

Plus jumping to.kernel should be done differently

Using a linker

[quartz pumice]

Linker?

[orchid frigate]

And defining a extern label as the start

Yes

You link the C object file of the C file to the object file of the bootloaders

So you can jump to c functions via assembly and visa versa

[quartz pumice]

Oooo

With ld?

[orchid frigate]

Yes but the special ld

X86_64-elf-ld

[quartz pumice]

Ok

[orchid frigate]

And define a linker.ld

Check out the os dev wiki for more details

It's one of the first posts

[quartz pumice]

Ok

[orchid frigate]

I think C barebones

[spark pollen]

What

[next lotus]

ballsaci

[knotty root]

how can i give myself diamonds in minecraft? Someone help pls

[orchid frigate]

Press alt+F4 to open a dev menu

From there just select diamonds

And type the amount you want to give yourself

Making a memory manager has been a very painful experience thus far

Because of how many things it does

It feels like it never ends

I finish doing something and realize that's one of the 1000 things it has to do

And I can't even test it until I fully finish it so the chance of it being plain wrong is huge

So I might have to write 8t multiple times

Oh my god it just never ends bro

[quartz pumice]

oof 💀

[orchid frigate]

I implement one thing 1000 other things come up

It just never ends

[quartz pumice]

imagine if qemu had like graphical debuggers that had all this fancy stuff

[orchid frigate]

I have never used a debugger for my os

Idk I just never found it necessary

I always knew relatively where the error was

Plus qemu are lazy

Their website it shit

@quartz pumice tell me a random huge address

Like really huge

[quartz pumice]

ok uh

840503039

above 4gig I think

0x32190EFF

yeah thats like the 12'th gigabyte

[orchid frigate]

Lemme check if that will work

[quartz pumice]

or not wtf?

[orchid frigate]

Yea its not that huge

Considering I have addresses in my memory regions that are like 0x100_40_c000

[quartz pumice]

0x178FE1765 ok

[orchid frigate]

Ok this doesn't work

[quartz pumice]

thats somewhere along the six gigabyte mark

0x138FE1765 ok

thats somewhere along the 5'th gigabyte

[orchid frigate]

Oh wait I just realized I'm stupid

[quartz pumice]

💀

low level dumbassary

[orchid frigate]

I fucking hate memory management

I hate it so much

I wish I could just do acpi

[quartz pumice]

intel should get off their asses and make the mmu handle literally everything for us, with a single instruction of setup

[orchid frigate]

So the address I asked you for was for where the kernel heap should be

But everything is already mapped so I don't have a choice

[quartz pumice]

cant you do that dynamicaly?

[orchid frigate]

It's the first heap so I don't have dynamic mm yet

That's to set up mm

Or dmm

I'm too lazy to type is out

[quartz pumice]

memory to setup memory 😭

[orchid frigate]

Yes it's stupid

I hate it

But if I manage to do it

I will get unsized arrays

[quartz pumice]

cant you put it below 1mb?

[orchid frigate]

Like vectors

[orchid frigate]

I can but that memory is a mess

I can show you the memory regions there

[quartz pumice]

theres 480kb starting from 0x7E00

I dont get why you would need more than 480kb to setup dmm

[quartz pumice]

oh that looks cool

[orchid frigate]

Using stuff before 1m is kinda a bad practice I think

It's better to use the huge chunks of free memory after 1m

[quartz pumice]

ye

apparently everything after 1m is free on modern computers

[orchid frigate]

Hell no

It's hell there too just less chaotic

And with more free chunks

Random reserved regions for no reason

[quartz pumice]

wow 💀

[orchid frigate]

Also the kernel is randomly put in the middle of memory by the bootloader

It's not mine either so I don't have a choice

I will change it soon I just wanna deal with mm

As soon as I'm done with it I will be able to copy paste the code whenever I want so no more pain from memory 🥹

[quartz pumice]

yay

[orchid frigate]

Then comes acpi which is I think considered worse

So don't get too excited to get to the kernel it's not gonna become more fun from there

[quartz pumice]

acpi dma

need to organize everything into pages tho

and some drives dont support acpi so you haved to do that too

and then theres NVMe which you haved to add support for because it will be the standard in a few years

[next lotus]

oh my god

[fading obsidian]

what tf is a device driver?

[orchid frigate]

Wdym organize everything into pages

The entire memory is already mapped

[orchid frigate]

That's something you learn in like

8th grade

It's a program which allows a certain device to work

For instance simply plugging a mouse into a PC doesn't mean it will work

In fact it won't do shit

You need a driver for the mouse and usually a USB driver which handles USBs

[fading obsidian]

thnx dakata

[north dune]

how does something work once its plugged in?

does my mouse come with a driver that installs itself
it happens without internet so

[late basalt]

You just select it

Smhsmh

[orchid frigate]

It's very complicated

And varies from device to device

But basically it does work

It sends info to the cpu

However the purpose of the driver is to make sense of that information

And actually translate it to something useful

And no it doesn't come with the device

Its fundamentally impossible for it to come with the device for a multitude of reasons

But basically each os interprets the info differently so it needs to make its own drivers

And the driver is already in the os if the os has it

That's why os development is so difficult you need to write drivers for everything

And GPUs make things even worse because each and every GPU model requeres its own driver

These drivers however usually do come from the manufacturer

However they work in very specific conditions that are usually specifically made for the big os companies like Microsoft with windows and Linux

[barren shale]

i think the mouse driver is built into windows

[orchid frigate]

every driver is built into the operating system

that was my entire point

[quartz pumice]

That's only because it's standardized

Windows hased to download every other driver (except a keyboard driver, also standardized)

[barren shale]

well yeahh drivers for the common shit

[trail zodiac]

remember me

[quartz pumice]

69 megabytes

[next lotus]

i noticed that

but i didnt send a message

what if i did

then i realized

someone will point it out anyways

so after typing 69

i pressed backspace 2 times

and went on alt tab to return to ida pro

then after 2 hours i returned

booted up my pc and opened discord

and to my surprise someone replied with 69

i was flabbergasted, my face was in total shock

[rose pawn]

Can an admin give me a one time r slur pass

As a birthday gift

Early birthday gift

[fading obsidian]

why ask that here?

[wet girder]

Never

[west wadi]

applesauce

[humble wasp]

Why not all of amp

[main brook]

where source code

i want to criticize on it for no reason

[thorn roost]

What is this place

[rough anvil]

Idk nerd palace

[timid field]

console.log("Give me your money beetch")

[barren shale]

its in python 🤮

but

if you need code that is very easy to criticize (because it sucks)

https://github.com/IHaydot

here's a github account full of shit repos

[orchid frigate]

All of them except the latest one are old

And it's not like you understand them anyway stooooopid

[fringe leaf]

How does the return statement work in lua or python

[fading obsidian]

it just returns a value as far as i know in a function

whatever variable you called the function into, the variable that will contain that value

i might be wrong in my explanation tho

[hardy field]

Ends the function, makes the function call equal to whatever was returned.

[barren shale]

you probably copy pastad half of them

[main brook]

like any other language

return a value from a function

idk maybe learn the fundamental first kiddos like i did the hard way

🤓

man i love python dynamic typing

(this was sarcasm if you don't get it)

[orchid frigate]

Nah all of it is mine

That's why in hexaos the design is so shit

I didn't quite understand C code design yet

The only copy pasted code is the port IOs but I don't really have a choice there because of how specific ports are

And in the latest one I just switch to the x86_64 crate for ports so it's not copy pasted there either

[quartz pumice]

I can try to clean it up

ive known C for a few years and read the google specifications on how to write code.. forgot its name it was more a guide on what looked good and what didnt

the only commits on the github are from 8 months ago though

[orchid frigate]

The whole design is bad

You would need to rewrite alot of the code

Feel free to but I wouldn't do it

[fading obsidian]

wtf, is gus a ghost now?

᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼

[jolly field]

Tf

[radiant agate]

ALL HAIL CC

ALL HAIL PYTHON

[remote flicker]

👻

[main brook]

@orchid frigate

what are the chances of amd driver file getting corrupted

[next lotus]

consider it already corrupted since its amd

nvidia gang

[rose pawn]

GLORY TO PYTHON

GLORY TOOO
GLORY Toooo

PYTHOOOON

[barren shale]

ew

python is very mid

[quartz pumice]

Re install driver then

[orchid frigate]

Very low

Like that's a very random thing to be corrupted

Wait wtf is an AMD driver?

Amd is a processor architecture or whatever

That doesn't have a driver i don't think

Ooooh

A graphics driver

Pretty good tbh you should reinstall it

Or at the very least it could be outdated which would also give your PC a hard time

[quartz pumice]

It's a company bro
amd64 is another name for x86_64

Zero difference

It was called amd because AMD made the first 32 bit CPU (?)

[shut bear]

J'espère que vos mamans se sentent bien

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate I have the wildest idea

so Im gonna

while my bootloader is in 32 bit mode

ill switch it to unreal mode

then use that to load kernel

then go to 64 bit mode

AND RUN THE KERNEL!!

[main brook]

I don't think its a driver tho tbh

its something in side the

Windows/xxxxx/Amd64/

@orchid frigate

[orchid frigate]

I had the same idea

Realised switching modes from a higher bit to a lower bit is the most insane things possible

Like it's stupid stupid and not documented almost anywhere

And decided to try another way

There is always a better way than to switch modes

Always

[hardy field]

You might say that when attempting that, you may have

[orchid frigate]

I have never heard of that folder

But now you got me curious

[hardy field]

I'll let y'alls imaginations finish the pun for you

[orchid frigate]

Oh wait unreal mode

Oh even worse

It's even less documented

Some version of windows switched to it

[main brook]

well its something about my cpu

apparently one of the file got corrupted

[orchid frigate]

And caused a huge os vulnerability because of it

[main brook]

im too lazy to open my lsptop

[orchid frigate]

So the.folder is literally

xxxxx

[main brook]

its like

no

its a long lengthy name

randomly generated i think

[quartz pumice]

to unreal from 32 bit?

or is unreal just 16 bit but with 32 bit addressing

[orchid frigate]

How tf did that happen

Is the os even running

[main brook]

yes

only 1 file is corrupted

also i can't install updates

[orchid frigate]

It's 32 bit simulating 16 bit

I think

[main brook]

even the standalone update

installer

[orchid frigate]

It's some weird shit like that but everyone agrees it sucks

[main brook]

and im missing KB2999226

meaning i can't install visual studio 2015

meaning no crt

but to install vs 2015

i need kb2999226

[orchid frigate]

So you have some random ass file corrupted that is apparently a system file

[main brook]

ye

[orchid frigate]

And this file manages updates?

[main brook]

ni

no

its nothing serious i don't see any changes to my os

but sure is the IT support fricked my mom's laptop

they changed everything

even deleted folders

my folders

and my mom's

[orchid frigate]

Was it indian tech support

If so that's on you

[main brook]

its my mom's school IT

[rose pawn]

Today is election day in turkey

Look at this

[fading obsidian]

damn, hes got my vote

[knotty root]

Trait editor

[fast wave]

How do people stack traits?

[rose pawn]

TURKISH ELECTION IN PROGRESS

[fading obsidian]

we know

[main stag]

rooting for salt bae

[fading obsidian]

He will win, fr

[knotty root]

Guy I learn the code

1-1=0

[errant marsh]

0 is not real

[next lotus]

fard**

fard pointer pointing to a pointer

fard array

[scenic geyser]

[rose pawn]

Turkish elections kill me

Kilometers per second

I WILL

[olive umbra]

lol

[quartz pumice]

I hate sizeof so as the massive Chad I am I allocate what size I want to check on the stack and minus the virtual locations from eachother

[upbeat pine]

Does anybody know how to update a mod on steam? I'm looking at my mod but I cant see where i would upload files to update it?

not on wrldbox

[hardy field]

Mods are not in the Steam workshop

Oh nvm

[upbeat pine]

I was being stupid i got

it

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate if one is in long mode, do you haved to modify the segment register before jumping to a different segment?

[pale geyser]

Dont flood the chat

also you picked the wrong room sir

[orchid frigate]

Did you just switch to long mode

Or are you officially in long mode

[quartz pumice]

The qemu debug stuff is in 64 bit registers so idk

Ohh so you only have to do it when jumping to long mode? Segment registers are irrelevant after that?

[orchid frigate]

Yes

Mostly

Unless you are changing modes again

There may be other special circumstances when you have to change them but you shouldn't have to foe a while

[quartz pumice]

got banned but not deleted 💀

[stone grove]

hmm perhaps i shall find your exact location

[barren shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693897754753105942/919001950413008906/image0-238.gif

[glass finch]

Hoal

[next lotus]

amou

amo gus

amgus

AMOGUS

!!

!!!!!

[orchid frigate]

@quartz pumice did you finish the bootloader

[timid field]

Asked Google Bard

About who would win if it were agaibst Bing's AI

[jolly field]

Google hands down

Definitely not cause I’m biased

[quartz pumice]

Nope

I only added like a single instruction this entire week to it

[timid field]

Imma ask bjng the same question

Bing

For the first one it didnot do a search, second one brought some website sources

[random bolt]

any programmers here that wants to hear some questions?

[next lotus]

ok

whipes my neckbeard full of breadcrumbs

what thou ask

[fringe leaf]

Html script yes

[rose pawn]

Bruh they removed langauge selector

Might as well delete all those unnecessary channels now

[quartz pumice]

https://dontasktoask.com

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate I narrowed what wasnt working down to this x86asm mov rax, 256 ; to read 256 words = 1 sector xor bx, bx mov bl, cl ; read CL sectors mul bx mov rcx, rax ; RCX is counter for INSW mov rdx, 0x1F0 ; Data port, in and out rep insw ; in to [RDI]

[orchid frigate]

What exactly wasn't working

Triple fault normal fault

Also why are you still trying to read sectors in long mode

Read the sectors you need in real mode via bios then move the rest of your bootloader to after 0x7e00 and you get unlimited space for the rest of it

Move to long mode and start coding in C

From there you can do all the extra stuff like better hard drive IO paging and whatever

Plus you still have access to BIOS because you haven't used a third party bootloader so you can get all the bios info and use it in the kernel

Don't underestimate just how useful Bios functions are

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-tea-tea-day-sipping-tea-gif-15288264

[next lotus]

low level programmer moment

[wet girder]

I tested out the new markdown discord has

just really basic things

they basically brought lists and headers

nothing actually interesting

They didn't even bring these

these would've been nice

[fading obsidian]

Fr

[next lotus]

no way

markdown is still active in this server

[rose pawn]

[main brook]

@orchid frigate

my laptop charger has committed die

probably a sudden high voltage

it also made my house blacked out

twice

[barren shale]

damnnnn

super useful for bots

This is Google

damn its blocked in this server

• list

this works

[main brook]

how you do that list hamza

[barren shale]

~ a

oh wait what

how did i do it

• a

oh yeah - a

• a
  . o

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-

or * a

• a
• b
• c

- a
 - b
 - c

• a
• b
• c

you can only indent once i guess

[placid rapids]

Jbbn

[fading obsidian]

wtf this that?

[wet girder]

Headers can be used for spam way too easily so we made it admin only

I can allow you in sb channels tho

[barren shale]

Well maybe when sb 2 comes out

[rose pawn]

What the hell is markdown

[quartz pumice]

discord turned it off 2 weeks ago

[mystic bobcat]

What is a group _id for an actor trait?

Also what is the difference between can be given and inherit?

Where do I learn these?

[barren shale]

maxim got his new username 😔

[mossy cedar]

maxim 🤤

god damn wrong emote

fuck

[fading obsidian]

HHHHHMMMMM...........

[orchid frigate]

We all know it was the right emote

[quartz pumice]

wait hold on this works?

I thought it only worked if the parameters were different..

I wonder what it will return

it returns the latest one thats declared

[fading obsidian]

VS CODEEEE

[wraith ibex]

I like coming here and being reminded how basic a high school gcse computing course is compared to the real deal

[inland sundial]

i made a new gimkit map and i need help play testing it DM me if interested

[main brook]

what's a gimkit

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate HOW DO I CIRCUMVENT INCOMPLETE DOCS

[rose pawn]

Maxim when Minim walks in

[orchid frigate]

First step is to stop relying on docs so much

They are old complicated and contain alot of useless info

Let docs be the last option

İn the meantime look at the os dev wiki

Or other forums

[wet girder]

That means I should be getting mine soon

Or he got in front of line because verified server ownership

And I'm gonna need to wait a long time

Either one is possible

[barren shale]

not really your account is 2017 and you have nitro

i'd say you are gonna get it in the next couple of days

[wet girder]

My name is for sure gonna be taken tho

Jupe is way too common of a username

For Finns atleast

[next lotus]

chatgpt

youre welcome

[quartz pumice]

ive been reading docs for an hour and have done absolutely nothing useful

[orchid frigate]

Told you

İf you truly hit bedrock

Aşk chatgpt

İt knows quite alot about OSs

İt can even give you example drivers

And even write filesystems and bootloaders

Very simple of course but it should give you an idea of what you ask

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate I was being insanely dumb earlier, just randomly messing around and doing things- I snapped out of it and got a hello world

[orchid frigate]

Kernel hello world?

Or still bootloader

Also now is time for full fledged VGA drivers

Few tips

1. Use ports to move the cursor
2. Don't spend too much time on them

200 lines maz

[rose pawn]

Hello

[orchid frigate]

You will end up changing to vesa at some point so there is no point in going overboard

[orchid frigate]

Show me your knowledge

İn coding

[rose pawn]

İ 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

[orchid frigate]

You though you could enter this channel without atleast 20k hours in vscode huh

[rose pawn]

What is that i bro

İ

TIRKISH KEYBOARD????!?!?!

ÖMĞ

Heres my knowledge:
Use python + chatGPT

[orchid frigate]

İdk a friend added me a Turkish keyboard and the two merged

So now İ have English Turkish keyboard

The only words İ know are saaluk mudluluk i vaala

[orchid frigate]

Does that sound like 20k hours in vscode plus 1k hours in all main languages to you

That's the minimum for joining this channel

Or 500 dollars

[rose pawn]

Who are you to gatekeep this channel

[orchid frigate]

Dakata

[rose pawn]

I own this channel

[orchid frigate]

İt's my username

[orchid frigate]

İ own you

Checkmate

[rose pawn]

Who owns you

[orchid frigate]

İm so wealthy

İ bought myself

So i own myself

The banks say I'm crazy because I'm 20bil in debt

But İ say they don't understand my sigma grindset hustle

[rose pawn]

My dad works at discord

I will ban you ha ha ha

Andownyou

[orchid frigate]

İ will buy discord

And you dad

And İ will ban you from Walmart

[rose pawn]

I will ban you from earth

My dad owns god

[orchid frigate]

Damn i got outplayed

Or outpayed

Anyway show me your work

[rose pawn]

What work

[orchid frigate]

What have you done

Anything coding

[rose pawn]

Its python stuff are sure you wanna see it

[orchid frigate]

İ analyse your work and sell it to Chinese hackers

Yes i do

[rose pawn]

Okay well that requires me opening discord on my browser

On my laptop

So u gotta wait

[orchid frigate]

You have 3.52 minutes

[rose pawn]

Why dud they change discord

    url = "https://folioscope.co/blank/" + str(id_)
    soup = BeautifulSoup(requests.get(url).content, "html.parser")

    username = soup.select_one(".username") or ""
    if username:
        username = username.text

    userid = soup.select_one("#gif.borders") or ""
    if userid:
        userid = requests.get(str(soup.img["src"]))
        userid = userid.text.split("<dc:publisher>")[0][-68:-32]
        #userid = userid.text.split("</rdf:li><rdf:li>")[1][0:36]

                
    return url, id_, username, userid


Data = []
Dic = {}

if __name__ == "__main__":
    with Pool() as pool:
        for url, id_, username, userid in pool.imap_unordered(
            get_data, range(2228344, 2233230)#2092004(2066225,2066230)#(1778018,1778118)#1795484) #2040740)#(2081160,2081260) #2091890)
        ):
            if username:
                Data.append(url), Data.append(username), Data.append(userid)
                Dic[username] = userid
                #print(url)


def data():
    for i in range(0,len(Data),3):
        #print (Data[i], end= "\n")
        print (Data[i+1], end= "\n")
        print (Data[i+2], end= "\n")
        
def alts():
    flipped = {}

    for key, value in Dic.items():
        if value not in flipped:
            flipped[value] = [key]
        else:
            flipped[value].append(key)

    #print(flipped)
    disclaimer = ("new users (no id yet assigned):" + str(flipped["te><xmp:CreatorTool>1Button Foliosco"]))
    del flipped["te><xmp:CreatorTool>1Button Foliosco"]
    
    for i in range(len(list(flipped.values()))):
        if len(list(flipped.values())[i]) > 1:
            print((list(flipped.values())[i]))


file = open("dad.txt", "w")
a = repr(Dic)
file.write(a)
file.close()

def Merge(dic1, dic2):
    res = dic1 | dic2
    return res```

[orchid frigate]

Tf does this do

And what is beautiful soup

[rose pawn]

its a python library for parsing urls or something like that

what this does is

there is this site called folioscope

actually its an app but this is the site for it

this code goes through a number of post ids, checking posts and getting their data

and it takes the user id thats stored inside the headings of the gifs

then it matches those ids with the usernames it was taken from

when the script ends it shows me which accounts are connected alt accounts (by matching usernames with the same ids)

what do you think

of course this is literally not allowed and the developers of this app wouldnt like this

so i dont run this script anymore

less often at least

[orchid frigate]

I'm thinking about apples rn

But the code is also good

İ don't know python or internet stuff but seems good

[rose pawn]

why would anyone code if not for web stuff

[orchid frigate]

Which apples are you favorite

[rose pawn]

red

[orchid frigate]

İ personally like green sour apples

[rose pawn]

ew

[orchid frigate]

Bruh

You just insulted me

Even more now

Web coding is shit

[rose pawn]

games and web are only cool reasons to code

[orchid frigate]

İt's so industrialized there is a library for every possible thing you can do

[rose pawn]

the rest is... just use ur brain

[orchid frigate]

OSs are not important?

Graphics apis?

What do you games run on

Oh right game engines

[rose pawn]

graphic? sorry thats nsfw

[orchid frigate]

İ have made those too

[rose pawn]

i count game engines as games

[orchid frigate]

Nah you shouldn't

They are a completely different branch

A game engine is almost always bigger than the game itself

[rose pawn]

makes sense

[orchid frigate]

İt has to handle all the other inside systems like the physics engine and the graphics engine

[rose pawn]

whats ur fav game engine then

[orchid frigate]

İ used to do unity

[rose pawn]

unreal engine?

[orchid frigate]

İ go pissed off because it was too simple and everything was already made for me

[rose pawn]

mine is unreal engine but not cuz i can use it or anything

[orchid frigate]

Switched to making my own engine using a graphics api

[rose pawn]

and

[orchid frigate]

İdk

[rose pawn]

did u make a game with it

[orchid frigate]

İ didn't get to anywhere

[rose pawn]

bruh

[orchid frigate]

But at least İ know how it worked

[rose pawn]

nerd

no offense

[orchid frigate]

That word has lost all meaning

So it literally can't be an offense

[rose pawn]

nerd nerd nerd nerd nerd nered enre denre rne renr enr enre nre rne

[orchid frigate]

Define nerd

[rose pawn]

N to the E to the R to the D

nurd nerd nord nert nervt

[orchid frigate]

Get it all out

İ will be waiting

[hardy field]

[orchid frigate]

Damn you joining too

[rose pawn]

read my name backwards

before i leave

[orchid frigate]

İ forgot how discord worked that people can just enter chats

[hardy field]

DMs:

[orchid frigate]

For a second İ thought İ was in dms

[rose pawn]

dude will you explain how you got that uppercase İ

[orchid frigate]

Turkish keyboard

[rose pawn]

its a turkish letter

[orchid frigate]

İt's Turkish and English into one keyboard

A friend just added the Turkish keyboard and they merged

İdk

[rose pawn]

they didnt merge

turkish keyboard includes english letters as well

[orchid frigate]

ẞ

Yes

[rose pawn]

qwertghjköç

[orchid frigate]

So they merged

[rose pawn]

no

[orchid frigate]

Yea

[rose pawn]

no its just the turkish keyboard

[orchid frigate]

No

[rose pawn]

there is no merge

[orchid frigate]

İt merged

See

English and Turkish

Aka merged

[rose pawn]

wow thats so dumb

its litteralyy just a turkish keyboard

its like merging AB with B and getting AB and calling it merging

[orchid frigate]

Adding 0 to 1 counts as merging

Even tho you get the same thing

So İ was correct

And you were wrong

🥱

[rose pawn]

yeah

should i drink water or cereal liquid

[orchid frigate]

Drinking is not optimal

Eat chicken

[rose pawn]

cereal it is

[orchid frigate]

Goddamn İ just opened vscode and İ have 453 errors already

[rose pawn]

nerd gaming

[orchid frigate]

I'm gonna send you to the shadow realm

[orchid frigate]

İ give up on dynamic memory management

Mm sucks İ hate it

İt's awful and rust makes it more difficult because of how safe it is

Time for acpi

[quartz pumice]

In C, you hack compiler
In rust, compiler hack you

[orchid frigate]

Fr İ can't do anything with pointers without rust complaining

Acpi seems chill for now İ just gotta find structures in memory

And chatgpt is mad useful

[orchid frigate]

yea already found a problem

the exact memory region where the rsdp should reside isnt mapped

its the only unmapped region I can find aswell

nvm the bootloader I use specifically gives it to me

nvm Im forced to use an old version of the bootloader that doesnt provide it

I hate this

ah fuck it im starting from scratch

with C this time

and no bootloader because figuring out where everything is is more complicated than doing it myself

[fiery kelp]

AHHHHHHHHH

SPOOKY

[next lotus]

poop

[foggy parrot]

🤓

[jaunty sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777589453660225596/1026947203874426890/crack-1-1-1.gif

[cunning otter]

Yes

[orchid frigate]

Anyone here know ue4

İf so provide some good sources for learning

And also İ want to rely on c++ only so no blueprints

[next lotus]

real pros use unity

unity compiles natively now with il2cpp :))

[orchid frigate]

But İ hate unity

İ hate game engines in general

İ might just relearn opengl tbh

Atleast İ don't have to deal with overly complicated UI

[next lotus]

thats worse

now try making it work both 2d and 3d, do networking with it

its worse than just learning existing engines

[orchid frigate]

Oh hell nah İ ain't doing 3d with it

That would be a nightmare

İ will probably try but never actually do it

Also idc about networking

İ just wanna learn the concepts of game development not do anything with them

Also İ want to code something but i don't want to make a bootloader because it's hard and İ ran into a stupid problem

[barren shale]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-tea-tea-day-sipping-tea-gif-15288264

[wet girder]

Unity is honestly great after you get used to the UI

it takes a couple of months but it's well worth it and makes unity actually quite enjoyable to use

[barren shale]

and you need to read a lot and watch lots of guides because its easy to fuck up

[next lotus]

not really just

just never do a string comparison inside an Update() function

and make sure your Update function has less than 10 lines

[orchid frigate]

İ know the basics

And İ know the UI

But İ don't like working with it

Also İ have to learn unity c# which is nah

I'm good

İf İ gotta learn something like this it might as well be a graphics library

[next lotus]

c# is not that far from c++

tbh

like uh

dynamic object = new { Name = "Gaming", ThisIsADynamicObjectSoWePutThings = 23 };

[orchid frigate]

Nah it's more oop than c++

And i fucking hate oop with passion

[lilac dagger]

[rose pawn]

Selam

Naber

[barren shale]

dont ever do that

again

please

[fading obsidian]

why bro, just why?

[quartz pumice]

I dont hate oop, I kinda like it for its simplicity

but everything about it is just done wrong

like every object has its own things and all that when it can be CALCULATED STATICALLY

bruh it just makes me mad at that point

the way they do OOP now is extremely wasteful

just look at java lol

  mov rdi, 7E00h ; where the ELF header is
  mov rax, qword [rdi+0x18] ; get the offset from ELF header of the entry point
  add rax, rdi ; add the offset to the memory location
  add rax, 64 ; skip the ELF header
  jmp rax``` elf 64 bit quick loader

[orchid frigate]

Oh god you are making an elf loader in assembly

Why do you inflict so much pain on yourself

Just switch to c already

Do it the simple way you are probably going to end up changing bootloaders at some point anyway

Also you may wanna look into UEFI

Bios is cool but UEFI is even cooler

Also look at limine

They are all interesting ways to boot that don't rely on you making your own bootloader because that's pain and suffering and without a memory map pre made for you you will realize why

[quartz pumice]

this loads the C thing, plus its 5 instructions

[quartz pumice]

I read through alot of the wiki, its easy to make your own memory map you just haved to know where to look

I want to setup uefi but its so fucking scary (osdev wiki explains it horribly)

ill switch to uefi later like you said I would end up doing

and it seems like UEFI was made so you could create bare metal programs, with the side benefit of being able to bootload operating systems - but its still confusing

in reality its high level proggraming when I wanted to escape to bare metal

bare metal = comforting

no workarounds

no hacks

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ill try this https://github.com/LongSoft/UEFITool

I installed uefitool but it wont owrk

oh there we go it was just caps sensitive

[next lotus]

no >:)

dynamic objects forever!!!!

[orchid frigate]

Put the kernel in memory to begin with

And put it as a bin file instead

Don't waste time on something you won't even finish and you will switch to another bootloader anyway

Make the elf thing in UEFI as UEFI allows for disk IO with it's own drivers

And it has its own filesystem

Aleo consider limine

İt's amazing

İt's like multiboot but better

[knotty root]

Does anyone know how to make a game

[next lotus]

everyone does

in fact

your playing right now

your life is a game

[wet girder]

I have a degree in game development

not a useful degree ngl but I still do have it

[rose pawn]

Ĵ

[mild hinge]

Guys I have a game Idea

Gonna start working on the project in the summer

[queen quiver]

Ok

[quartz pumice]

FINALLY WORKING DOCS FOR BUILDING EDK2 https://github.com/tianocore/tianocore.github.io/wiki/UDK2018-How-to-Build#how-to-build-linux-like-system

its overly detailed.. These build instructions are copy pastable..

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate I found a uefi cross compiler builder script for gcc```bash
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install build-essential bison flex libgmp3-dev libmpc-dev libmpfr-dev texinfo

mkdir ~/cross-gcc
cd ~/cross-gcc

wget https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-11.2.0/gcc-11.2.0.tar.gz
tar xf gcc-11.2.0.tar.gz

cd gcc-11.2.0
contrib/download_prerequisites

mkdir build
cd build

../configure --target=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --prefix=/usr/local/crossgcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32 --enable-threads=win32 --disable-nls --disable-shared --disable-multilib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++

make -j4
make install -j4```

it tells make to make in threads also, so the build logs scroll by at quadruple the speed

[cinder surge]

Hey gang

It's me again, little baby coder man who barley knows python

My phone just got bricked so I needed a new one

And it's all thanks to dwarves

My boot logs were lost so I got stuck in a boot loop whenever my phone turns off

Wouldn't you know it I discovered this when a group of dwarves decided to make a new village, and the game crashed

Now the entire world has been deleted along with all my other worlds, so thanks dwarves

You ended the known universe

[quartz pumice]

@orchid frigate do I need to do anything extra (except get headers, dll's, shit) to get a gcc cross compiler gcc-x86_64-w64-mingw32 to make uefi?

[hollow haven]

sudo

[orchid frigate]

Honestly i don't remember

Lemme check something

Yes many things

İ could list them but it would take too long plus I'm sure you have already read UEFI bare bones countless times

İf you haven't read it

Also there are a couple of UEFI bare bones İ think and the thing is

They all do this differently

Some of them work

Others dont

İdk how that works

The one that İ remember working was this

UEFI App Bare Bones - OSDev Wiki https://wiki.osdev.org/UEFI_App_Bare_Bones

And make a fat image

İt's the easiest option and best in the long run

You could also do iso but İ don't really like iso so idk your choice

Wait this is the wrong bare bones uhhh

UEFI - OSDev Wiki https://wiki.osdev.org/UEFI

This is the right onr

İt's much fuller and it provides all the code with explantations

[calm tree]

Ñ

[rose pawn]

Ğ

[steel fox]

CS war crimes

[gray elk]

кто руский

[barren shale]

rethrowing is a thing

[wise path]

Я

[wet girder]

Hamza educate me. Why would I want to rethrow an error? I'm genuinely interested to know

[barren shale]

Log it then let the app crash

some critical errors are too critical for the app to keep running

[wet girder]

Ohhhhh actually smart

[barren shale]

so you would catch them log them then rethrow

and in C# you just have to type throw inside the catch statement and it will automatically rethrow the same exception that was caught

try {
  // Do Something
}
catch(Exception ex) {
  // Log
  throw;
}

[wet girder]

Also explains why I've never seen it in any codebases as most of them have been at work and use azure applicationinsights which logs everything regardless

[barren shale]

yeah its one way of doing things

[errant trail]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-toss-bye-gif-4963915

we when errors

i wanted to type "me" but "we" works

[misty yacht]

@gray elk

[civic finch]

what is that

[orchid frigate]

Have been trying unity for a while now and the more İ do it

He more İ realize this shit isn't for me

İt feels so different from everything else İ have done that it almost feels like learning coding for the first time again

And there are waaay too many things to keep track of and there isn't a clear indication what you have to do just a lot options and menus and components which you gotta learn

I'm sticking to low level this is just too much

[wet girder]

But like that's the best part of Unity

So many possibilities and you can try changing any setting and seeing live what it does

It just takes a lot of time and tinkering to get good at it

As there's just so many things

[quartz pumice]

Relatable

Going from where you'd be lucky for standard library to help, to most things being done for you is fucking hard

I guess people who started on unity think the same thing

[errant trail]

there should be a game engine designed to make the transition between normal programming to using game engines easy while providing the major benifits of a normal game engine

they would get tons of recommendation and traffic just by being a tool that is good for easing into a large industry

[knotty root]

So essentially an easy to learn game engine?

[errant trail]

essentially, yeah

[knotty root]

Roblox and godot are good places to start

[errant trail]

hmm okay

so that already exists...

but it have a huge learning curve