🌎general

[rugged sapphire]

No it doesn’t

[lunar surge]

It does

[sleek rapids]

nah it should only be used on rpists and severe crmes

[rugged sapphire]

Nah

[lunar surge]

Look at the French revolution

[ocean pond]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-shit-loser-seriously-gif-5731140

[rugged sapphire]

Yeah how long ago was that

[lunar surge]

Oh wait, it harrier

[earnest cradle]

the death penalty is a tool of the state btw

[lunar surge]

They ragebaiting

[dense crater]

Rate the state of the world

[lunar surge]

Don't worry lol

[ocean pond]

this has to be ragebait

[ocean pond]

shitty

[sleek rapids]

10

[lunar surge]

It is

[rugged sapphire]

Nah I genuinely think the death penalty is a good thing as much as I may ragebait

[ocean pond]

I wouldn't want to live there

[earnest cradle]

never cook again bro

[dense crater]

So real for that

[queen marsh]

@earnest cradle help

[velvet flax]

I guess im no good

[earnest cradle]

im playing suzerain

[dense crater]

Nations of other people did that lol 😭

[broken crane]

A dude who creates hated gifs somehow managed to spark a long conversation on politics and the death penalty on the discord of a god simulator game.

[lunar surge]

Belemid here to ruin the fun

[queen marsh]

help!

Gretchen

[earnest cradle]

kill symon

he's a liberal

[lunar surge]

I am toooo????????

[dense crater]

^ It’s a nation war against other players(people) which is why it looks chaotic 😂

[earnest cradle]

FUCK YOU

[lunar surge]

:(

Why

[queen marsh]

Do u like my lenin

[ocean pond]

yea

[dense crater]

Wild

[earnest cradle]

very avthentic

[queen marsh]

Im following an optimal sordland-rizia guide rn!

[queen marsh]

wow thank v

[dense crater]

Do we fw conservatives?

[ocean pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1221947154613141585.gif?size=160&name=my+grip+on+reality+is+gone

[earnest cradle]

No

[queen marsh]

Gloria Tory? No

[ocean pond]

No

[queen marsh]

What turn arr you at

[earnest cradle]

conservatism is a cancer

[earnest cradle]

just finished the ball

the communist guy died

[queen marsh]

Circas..

[earnest cradle]

which

[lunar surge]

@earnest cradle I dyslexic I meant libertarian and thought I read that lol

[queen marsh]

He is THE communist of sordland

[earnest cradle]

THATS EVEN FUCKING WORSE

[dense crater]

Write a story in 1 min

[lunar surge]

Leftist libertarian

[queen marsh]

Only communist MP in the history of sordland

[earnest cradle]

modernizer 💔

[queen marsh]

@earnest cradle reformist or dictator?

[earnest cradle]

reformist

[queen marsh]

Youre working with the libs?

Disgusting.

[ocean pond]

Reform UK has ruined the word Reformist in the UK

[lunar surge]

??? That's what the fucking 8values test said sorry I'm social libertarian

[earnest cradle]

dont worry ill purge them later

[ocean pond]

because now its used for Far Right people

[queen marsh]

Whats ur budget rn

[ocean pond]

and not

[tender bone]

it depends but it usually is because it shakes up the old order and doesnt benefit the elite

[earnest cradle]

like 6

[ocean pond]

Reformers

[tender bone]

Which is left wing

[dense crater]

Chat got political fast

[lunar surge]

Hell yeah f the elite

[queen marsh]

so

[dense crater]

More constant I refer too

[queen marsh]

You have to watch ur budget gretchen

[tender bone]

True!

[queen marsh]

Dip too low...or too high and some special event will happen!

[lunar surge]

Democracy for the win!!!!

[ocean pond]

left wing is socialist ideologies, OR if we go to social leftism, then its tolerance

[tender bone]

people need to actually get organized and fight against the global elite

[ocean pond]

and tolerance

IS NOT THE WORD OF REFORM

[earnest cradle]

sorry but if you're basing your politics off of 7values you're dumb as a brick

anyhow

[queen marsh]

conform to ze new world order

[gaunt stump]

@queen marsh I prayed 20 at home but I made it a lil too realistic like in a mosques
I accidentally left my heater so it was hot like hell

[queen marsh]

Wow

So dedication

[tender bone]

Brochacho i know that left-right is economic policies and that is WHY i said „thats why its left wing because it hurts the capitalist elite”

[ocean pond]

I refuse to believe Reform UK actually dislikes the elites, mayhaps the CURRENT elites, but elites as a whole I can't trust them

[lunar surge]

8values and no. I'm using it to label my values, doofus. It's ok tho, I forgive you

[tender bone]

You do not have to educate me

[earnest cradle]

"left wing is socialist" ❌

[honest osprey]

Bebrbrbebebebebe

[gaunt stump]

Couldt make it to the mosque yeah

[lunar surge]

:3

[honest osprey]

Anarchism isn't socialism

Social democracy isn't socialism

[earnest cradle]

the left wing is the left wing of capital, not communism

[tender bone]

It kind of is 👽

[ocean pond]

I never SAID THAT

[earnest cradle]

modernizers

i understand

[queen marsh]

Hey gregcchen wanna get expanded human rights in sordland

[tender bone]

communism and socialism arent really interchangeable

[finite verge]

dawg why the fuck is it snowing on march 12th

[earnest cradle]

Yes

[lunar surge]

There are like 3 left wings doofus

[earnest cradle]

socialism is a lesser of communism, i understand the fuckup on my part though

[ocean pond]

socialism is on the LEFTIST side of the ECONOMIC spectrum of politics

[honest osprey]

But anarchism is a left-wing ideology.

[queen marsh]

So
Dont ban any youth group+WRA+MRA+WLA

[lunar surge]

You in Midwest?

[finite verge]

no im in new jersey

[earnest cradle]

can i kill the young sords though

[tender bone]

this is making me mald im considering summoning oil john like mahoraga on you

[ocean pond]

not really, it can be

[honest osprey]

But what about left-wing liberals?

[queen marsh]

No

[earnest cradle]

why not

[lunar surge]

Still in the winter section tho. Sorry

[tidal glacier]

@honest osprey omg MJ hai

[ocean pond]

im talking about the economic spectrum

[queen marsh]

For some reason not banning fascists contributes to human rights

[ocean pond]

not the social one

[finite verge]

bro thats besides the point

this NEVER happens

[earnest cradle]

ok ill kill no one except the young sords

[tender bone]

yeah cause „freedom of the expression”

[tender bone]

You are the devil

[lunar surge]

Until it happens. Get snowmogged by the white powdrr

[queen marsh]

Stop beating agno-sords!!

[ocean pond]

WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE SHOULD REFER TO SOCIAL LEFTISM AS LIBERALISM, INSTEAD OF CLALING BOTH ECONOMIC LEFTISM AND SOCIAL LEFTISM BEING THE SAME NAME

[honest osprey]

But liberals are also part of the economic spectrum.

[ocean pond]

GOD i hate the english language

[velvet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[queen marsh]

@tender bone qevie ur the economist how do we save sordland

Ignore the GB

[honest osprey]

But the left has differences.

[tender bone]

yeah brochacho youre fucked

[ocean pond]

yeah, thats why its called a spectrum

[queen marsh]

Leftism and liberalism

[honest osprey]

Radical Left = Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism

[queen marsh]

Oh holy guide save me

[honest osprey]

Moderate left = Liberals, social democrats

[ocean pond]

I would say Anarchism is on a different spectrum

[honest osprey]

Center left = Lula

[ocean pond]

one of control

rather then economy

[lunar surge]

Libertarian Democratic socialist here.

[queen marsh]

Anarchism and control

[earnest cradle]

far right*

lula is far right bolsonaro is just

satan

[honest osprey]

Anarchism, technically, also has importance in economics.

[tender bone]

sorry suzerain isnt open ended enough for me to tell you what you can do

[honest osprey]

For example, in anarchism there would be no money.

[gaunt stump]

Anarchism is order in disorder right?

[earnest cradle]

pr*udhon 🤢

[ocean pond]

not really

[lunar surge]

Everything is everything else

[honest osprey]

People would work for a greater good and to help each other.

[queen marsh]

You should replay suzerain

[ocean pond]

anarcho-capitalism is a thing

[honest osprey]

Yes, I wouldn't have the money.

[queen marsh]

and buy me qinal dlc

Be like Rayne

[lunar surge]

Libertarian anarchism or anarcho capitalism

[tender bone]

too poor

[queen marsh]

Neo-Lib 🥹

[honest osprey]

But anarcho-capitalism argues that there must be money in anarchism.

[gaunt stump]

Yeah im right none of yall know politics anyway

[queen marsh]

Buy me galmland dlc

[ocean pond]

okay can we just, rework how we use words

[honest osprey]

No, how would anarcho-capitalism function without money?

[queen marsh]

I bought rizia

[honest osprey]

In fact, how does anarcho-capitalism work?

[queen marsh]

Anarchist money in an anarchist society!

[ocean pond]

lets have SPECIFIC spectrums for SPECIFIC things

[tender bone]

communism also has this so like

[queen marsh]

Anarchist store with anarchist owner

[ocean pond]

and have a bunch of spectrums

[lunar surge]

8values

[tender bone]

anarchism is just communism but lowkey worse

[honest osprey]

Because anarchism and communism are, ultimately, the same thing.

[ocean pond]

yeah, but better

[lunar surge]

Inf values

[honest osprey]

The difference is that socialism is an important part of communism.

[lunar surge]

Infvalues.github.com

[tender bone]

one is „its joever” and the other actually believes in widescale human cooperation 🤔

[tender bone]

yeah thats it

[tender bone]

@fossil wolf go forth

[ocean pond]

you know what I hate

the word Monarchism

[fossil wolf]

he’s correct

[ocean pond]

since its definition is bullshit

[fossil wolf]

he’s incorrect

[lunar surge]

https://infvalues.github.io

[tender bone]

isnt socialism a transitional stage into communism

[fossil wolf]

anarchism is a lack of societal structure and communism is a specific structure in which goods are distributed for human need

[honest osprey]

Well, I was inaccurate.

[fossil wolf]

no

[tender bone]

what is it then

[honest osprey]

Yes

[subtle sigil]

qevie in general chat in the big 2026?

[ocean pond]

originally yes

[tender bone]

im highkey here cause im bored

[fossil wolf]

no

[honest osprey]

You're confusing it with socialism.

[queen marsh]

building the worlds in worldbox

[fossil wolf]

not originally

holy fuck

[ocean pond]

Yes

[fossil wolf]

Shut Up!

Goddamn

[subtle sigil]

hello bored

My internet might be less Polish

[fossil wolf]

Marx never once distinguished between socialism and communism in his writings

The person who did was Lenin

[tender bone]

Im sleeping soon.

[lunar surge]

Someone's angy.

[honest osprey]

But theories evolve.

[subtle sigil]

you're breaking my heart

[fossil wolf]

Who described socialism as both the DotP and communism, with the DotP being “lower-stage” socialism and communism being “higher-stage” socialism

That is, the process of abolishing capitalist social relations and the end where capitalism is dissolved as both “socialism”

[honest osprey]

To say that something is wrong because the first person who put it on paper didn't specify what it should be, is wrong.

[fossil wolf]

Marxism needs no evolution

[queen marsh]

(DotP= Dictatorship of the Proletariat)

[fossil wolf]

He did specify

[honest osprey]

Yes, it's necessary.

[fossil wolf]

What part of marxism required modernizing?

[queen marsh]

buildworld when will you join our fight bbowa

[fossil wolf]

I am not

I actually know what I’m talking about

[ocean pond]

evolution and modernization are different

[subtle sigil]

?

[ocean pond]

evolution is simply change

[fossil wolf]

They in fact are not

[honest osprey]

Yes

[feral zealot]

@subtle sigil

[tender bone]

thanks i just joined the stream

[ocean pond]

in this situation

[fossil wolf]

There is no need to modernize or shift the core doctrine within Marxism

[subtle sigil]

neat

[queen marsh]

Liberate the people of halati

[fossil wolf]

What exactly is socialism then

[queen marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-sped-up-silly-goober-sea-gif-1807503861489774979

[subtle sigil]

:shoop:

[midnight mauve]

i can absolutely attest to the fact they are not the same thing.

[ocean pond]

thats not even true

[lunar surge]

I'm the better socialist here

[honest osprey]

Humans evolved = they came from a common ancestor with the chimpanzee until reaching Homo sapiens.

Humans have modernized = They have acquired things or traits considered modern.

[fossil wolf]

which also lenin made it clear that the dotp sought near-immediate abolition of capitalism

[fossil wolf]

They are

[subtle sigil]

@queen marsh When add the shoop emoji?

[tender bone]

do we all have to adopt a corporate tone to avoid the big bad scary moderator ban hammer

[fossil wolf]

Holy fuck NO ONE knows what they’re talking about

[velvet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-tank-jumping-bt7-zeke-gif-21777189

[feral zealot]

@midnight mauve spawn in a random world before The great Modpack Remake Vs After

[honest osprey]

Socialism is a transitional phase towards communism, where the role of the state is, theoretically, to socialize the means of production to eliminate the bourgeoisie until it becomes useless and collapses on its own.

[queen marsh]

When you sell me quatian terroe haha

[tender bone]

communists will die before they read marx

[queen marsh]

idk

[fossil wolf]

❌
❌
✅

[lunar surge]

Sounds like you're just mad no one agrees with you

[midnight mauve]

what did yall do to it

[subtle sigil]

wait
all of these are generated structures?

[fossil wolf]

They disagree because they’re wrong

[feral zealot]

Wait no

[queen marsh]

careful John

[feral zealot]

The first image is the after

[queen marsh]

Big admin is watching

[lunar surge]

"All who disagree are wrong. I'm the only right one ever"

[midnight mauve]

how did yall obliterate lakes

[subtle sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-mordor-the-eye-gif-5619682

[feral zealot]

The second one is the before

[ocean pond]

then alot of socialists evolved to see it as a stand alone thing

[honest osprey]

@tender bone, However, in Marxist-Leninist theory, many MLs believe that a country can only be considered socialist if it has undergone a revolution.

[ocean pond]

others didn't

[feral zealot]

Idek

[queen marsh]

Minimalist and Maximalist

[feral zealot]

Yes

[queen marsh]

The eye protects you

[tender bone]

yeah i am not gonna enter the world of communist theory and debate until i actually read theory

[subtle sigil]

I won't lie

I'm not gonna join the modded server

[honest osprey]

Therefore, countries like Venezuela are not considered socialist.

[tender bone]

so sorry but i wont really acknowledge this until ive read theory

🕊️

[lunar surge]

I'm not read in theories. Im just human

[feral zealot]

Why not

[fossil wolf]

“transitional phase” in no way has this ever been described by anyone except for revisionists and non-marxists
“the role of the state is socializing the means of production and suppressing the bourgeoisie” this is the dictatorship of the proletariat, through which a socialist economy is to be implemented and with its implementation the dissolution of the state as a proxy of class rule

[honest osprey]

That's a very wise and intelligent thing to say.

[subtle sigil]

eh
mods aren't my thing

[ocean pond]

Georgie Orbeefwellington hated those guys

[feral zealot]

-Sees one screenshot

[fossil wolf]

Marxist-Leninists are not marxists

[tender bone]

its actually ignorant but i want to weigh things equally

[honest osprey]

The dictatorship of the proletariat is socialism.

[midnight mauve]

i do find it odd how
government control/ownership of industries or businesses is considered socialism when it's not

[feral zealot]

-guys. I don't know if I'll be able to play.

[fossil wolf]

The marxist-leninist strain of thought is a fundamentally revisionist and anti-marxist strain

[fossil wolf]

It is not

[feral zealot]

They are amazing btw

[ocean pond]

I agree actually

[subtle sigil]

there are a few I like

but
they either add too little
or
completely change the entire way that the game is

[fossil wolf]

they arent even leninist btw

[ocean pond]

thats why they should have their own name

[midnight mauve]

dotP is just the government that achieves socialism and then eventually marxism

in an idealized situation

[queen marsh]

Orion should establish the DotP

[subtle sigil]

,roll when do they add roll here, 1984

[honest osprey]

What you call revisionism is, in fact, an evolution of the theory.

[subtle sigil]

always 1984

[midnight mauve]

yes!

[queen marsh]

And have the state wither away

[honest osprey]

Every theory evolves.

[ocean pond]

can we talk about how Monarchism is a stupid word

[queen marsh]

But what is to be done?

[fossil wolf]

The DotP is specifically a state that acts to suppress and destroy the non-proletarian and anti-revolutionary aspects of society; to transform the society into a communist one (to implement a socialist economy)

[honest osprey]

Or do you think the earth is a cylinder because the Greeks said so first?

[midnight mauve]

im kidding Orion is becoming a worker's cooperative state

[lunar surge]

Not cool enough

[fossil wolf]

It is not evolutionary it is contradictory

[ocean pond]

and it's definition is so bullshit that Monarchism in theory is purely based on titles

[queen marsh]

Hey I have an idea for Orion its called social democracy

[midnight mauve]

this just makes what i said into a pragraph

sob

[serene birch]

Combat evolved

Halo theme

[honest osprey]

Compare Marx's theory with what would happen in reality.

[midnight mauve]

we already have social democracy

[lunar surge]

Oh. I thought we were gonna talk about how funny it sounds

[midnight mauve]

worker's cooperative is the future for Orion

[queen marsh]

We shoukd abolish social democracy btw

[tender bone]

ok so wait do you define socialism as the economy within a communist state

[ocean pond]

I LOVE THE NORDIC SYSTEM

[subtle sigil]

(it's actually controlled by the corporations, which are run by Fakheris)

[midnight mauve]

@tender bone you will achieve this 🙏

[subtle sigil]

the Fakheri deepstate

[lunar surge]

Belemid bad take 400

[fossil wolf]

Karl Marx: Socialism is the eradication of capitalist social relations; these include but are not limited to the commodity-form of production, the expropriation of surplus value generated by laborers, and wage labor

[tender bone]

this guy bro

[honest osprey]

Marx said that for revolution to happen, capitalism had to evolve enough to reach the necessary conditions.

[queen marsh]

@fossil wolf can we get the social democracie image

[tender bone]

@fossil wolf what theory should i read

[tender bone]

marx and what else

[fossil wolf]

Marxist-Leninists: We can have a little bit of commodity production

[honest osprey]

However, most of the countries where the revolution took place were poor and in a post-war state.

[fossil wolf]

No he DIDNT bro

[subtle sigil]

don't forget theories on both sides of the spectrum

[queen marsh]

Oiljohn reads a lot of theory i think he is right

[ocean pond]

have you guys heard of Monarchism?

Have you guys heard about its ACTUAL DEFINITION

[queen marsh]

Good take 500

[lunar surge]

I'm trying to talk to you about it 😭

[tender bone]

so i have to listen to bookishpick for 2 minutes?

[ocean pond]

WHICH IS SO BULLSHIT

[tender bone]

id rather kill myself

[ocean pond]

IT MEANS MONARCHISM HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY

[queen marsh]

You have no other choice

[subtle sigil]

Bookish is on a different spectrum

[velvet flax]

Woo that was fun

[ocean pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1221947154613141585.gif?size=160&name=my+grip+on+reality+is+gone

[lunar surge]

The autism one

[ocean pond]

run bee

run

[fossil wolf]

Marx specifically said that his theories related only to the historical development of western europe and in his later years he would recant on the very stance you claim to ascribe to him; his opinion of the peasantry as an anti-revolutionary class shifted and he believed a communist revolution was possible in Russia, though as he was not overtly familiar with the state of affairs there, he gave no model of how it would occur

[velvet flax]

BT-7 speed

Across maps

[lunar surge]

So when Marx says something different, it's ok, but when other people change it it's bad?

[ocean pond]

I think we should start hating on the word monarchism

because it has a bullshit definition

[midnight mauve]

nuke soviet players

and german SPAA

[lunar surge]

Too funny sounding

[fossil wolf]

Yeah because Marx was right and the other people are wrong

[honest osprey]

"A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy.", Progress Publishers, Page 263

"No social order is ever destroyed before all the productive forces for which it is sufficient have been developed, and new superior relations of production never replace older ones before the material conditions for their existence have matured within the framework of the old society."
Page Reference

[ocean pond]

now hold on there bucko

[subtle sigil]

enlighten me

what is monarchism?

[lunar surge]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[fossil wolf]

And he is SPECIFICALLY TALKING about the historical development of western europe here

[ocean pond]

I DON'T FUCKING KNOW ANYMORE

[midnight mauve]

@velvet flax the US tree if it had a dedicated Casemate TD or a heavy tank

[ocean pond]

THATS THE PROBLEM

[fossil wolf]

#🌎general message

[subtle sigil]

there's the truth of it

[velvet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-cat-kating-cat-cute-ai-gif-8105993545835215531

[cloud urchin]

@deft pewter I found the original furry webcomic for your approval

[deft pewter]

the huh

[ocean pond]

its a form of autocracy- but also elective monarchies- but also parliamentary monarchies- but actually doesn't have to be hereditary- its a form of hereditary rule

PICK ONE

[deft pewter]

@wicked nimbus they found something for you

[ocean pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1221947154613141585.gif?size=160&name=my+grip+on+reality+is+gone

[cloud urchin]

A furry webcomic from 1986

[midnight mauve]

revolution was not possible in russia btw

he was delusional

[lunar surge]

Monarchy is when King or queen

[deft pewter]

damn uncs

[wicked nimbus]

Give

[ocean pond]

what about principalities

duchies

electorates

etc etc

[cloud urchin]

'T.H.E. Fox'

[lunar surge]

It's a duchy then

[queen marsh]

@midnight mauve when is orion feeding me my next national development fund

[velvet flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1221947154613141585.gif?size=160&name=my+grip+on+reality+is+gone

[queen marsh]

Feed us the hoglings

[ocean pond]

also what makes a king an actual king other then the title

[fossil wolf]

it was and it did happen, though it would need to rely on concurrent revolutions in western europe to avoid degeneration into capitalism (which obviously didnt happen, and so russia degenerated)

[livid wasp]

why are we mentioning monarchism when we have a worse version of this in the chat today

[subtle sigil]

than*

[lunar surge]

Being related by birth

[midnight mauve]

nope, they're widely accepted a CIA psyops.

[ocean pond]

ACTUALLY NO

BECAUSE ELECTIVE MONARCHIES

[torpid python]

They’re dumping 400 million barrels of oil, and the price is still going up

[ocean pond]

LIKE THE POPE

EXIST

[livid wasp]

the branches of communism go so far and wide that if you disagree with how you make youre coffee your a fucking class traitor

[ocean pond]

FUUUCK

[fossil wolf]

Actually the bolshevik revolution was a color revolution from imperial germany

[lunar surge]

Not a monarchy

[torpid python]

Yes it is

[lunar surge]

No

[ocean pond]

THEN WHY IS IT CALLED A MONARCHY THEN

[torpid python]

Also

[midnight mauve]

boy the cia implanted that idea into modern academia

[velvet flax]

Rawr

[lunar surge]

It shouldn't

[midnight mauve]

the russian revolution is fake

[subtle sigil]

For tradition tbh

[ocean pond]

Heres what we should do

[torpid python]

Good taste @lunar surge

[midnight mauve]

it never happened

lenin died in switzerland

[queen marsh]

When does orion destroy commodity production

[lunar surge]

May his holy ichor bless your veins

[ocean pond]

'Monarchism- A form of governance based on kinship.'

there

[honest osprey]

In the "Preface" of 1859, Marx presents what he considers a universal law of historical development, and not merely a commentary restricted to Western Europe. Although he based his observations in the transition of feudalism to capitalism in Europe, He frames the text as a general theory about how social foundations (societies) transform, and I have proof of that.

[ocean pond]

leaves room for elective monarchism

[lunar surge]

That's what I believe

[honest osprey]

"At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production... From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution."
The Age of Revolution

[ocean pond]

while not being vague

while actually being REAL

[ocean pond]

yes it fucking does

[livid wasp]

I find it weird elective monarchies are a thing

[lunar surge]

Also add, "most be a king or queen"

[midnight mauve]

see the problem with a lot of political theory is that definitions essentially exist in a vacuum

[livid wasp]

Is it not supposed to be hereditary

[ocean pond]

no

[lunar surge]

Not a monarchy then

[midnight mauve]

because we live in a material world, where the rules of our systems are defined by individual locations

[honest osprey]

"New superior relations of production never replace older ones before the material conditions for their existence have matured within the framework of the old society."

[cloud urchin]

It's 40 years old this year

[honest osprey]

"With the change of the economic foundation the entire immense superstructure is more or less rapidly transformed."

[fossil wolf]

in his later writings on russia, when he was studying the russian peasantry, he specifically stated that he believed the communal system by which the russian peasants lived would serve as the framework for russian socialist development, he specifically said that revolution in russia was possible- though he gave no indication of how likely it was in comparison to the revolution beginning in western europe- and that it needed support from concurrent revolutions in western europe to avoid degenerating into a capitalist state of affairs

[ocean pond]

my thought was 'Electing based on kinships/dynasties' instead of indiviuals

[subtle sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/black-nerd-black-nerd-gif-26919340

[fossil wolf]

marx’s development was also incomplete by 1859

[midnight mauve]

think about feudalism

[ocean pond]

meaning it stays kin based

just elective

[honest osprey]

But I never said that revolution wasn't possible in Russia.

[lunar surge]

And has to be king or queen

[midnight mauve]

the traditional system of feudalism that we're taught didn't really exist in most places

[subtle sigil]

feudalism my beloved

[ocean pond]

No

[lunar surge]

WHY NOT!?!?

[queen marsh]

Fish mw should return to feudalism

[fossil wolf]

you said transformation towards communism required a capitalist state of development which it doesn’t

[honest osprey]

I said that Russia, at the time of the revolution, was a poor, screwed-up country in a state of post-war recovery.

[ocean pond]

BECAUSE THEN ITS BASED ON TITLE

[honest osprey]

I said that Marx said this.

[subtle sigil]

true

[ocean pond]

AND NOT ACTUAL GOVERNANCE

[midnight mauve]

sylstaria is apparently still semi-feudalist

[honest osprey]

And he told me to compare that with reality.

[lunar surge]

Plus heredity

[fossil wolf]

and he didn’t, not in his later years

[honest osprey]

But you didn't even let me finish.

[queen marsh]

How is the..former monarchy seen in decafia

Eastern puppets@

[honest osprey]

Marx did, in fact, say that, as I have shown in the various texts above.

[subtle sigil]

and
it would constantly be changing and evolving as the political and social structures of societies changed

[ocean pond]

'Monarchism- A form of Governance based on kinship.'

[midnight mauve]

sylstarian puppets essentially

[fossil wolf]

#🌎general message

[ocean pond]

thats it

[honest osprey]

But that's impossible in reality, given Russia's situation.

[ocean pond]

no more

[lunar surge]

And title

[ocean pond]

no

[queen marsh]

W view

[lunar surge]

Yes

[fossil wolf]

transition into socialism WITHOUT a capitalist stage of development was POSSIBLE in russia according to Marx

[ocean pond]

because titles and governance are two different things

[lunar surge]

So?

[honest osprey]

That's what I'm saying.

[ocean pond]

your not bullshitting your way out of calling Cromwell Monarchist

[queen marsh]

Okay im gonna go sleep

[lunar surge]

Who?

[honest osprey]

Are you paying attention to what I'm saying?

[queen marsh]

Oliver Cromwell

[ocean pond]

Oliver Cromwell

[lunar surge]

Who?

[queen marsh]

the guy who..had the king killed

Charles I

[lunar surge]

Which one?

[ocean pond]

parliament had the king killed

[tender bone]

In this day and age?

[honest osprey]

Marx said that for a society to revolution, it needs to evolve to reach the necessary conditions (evolve within capitalism).

[tender bone]

Brochacho

[queen marsh]

trv

[fossil wolf]

you believe transition into socialism without a capitalist stage of development was possible in russia in 1880?

[lunar surge]

Tbh... Idc about this Oliver dude

[honest osprey]

But that was impossible in the reality of Russia.

[queen marsh]

I can afford sleeping hours

[ocean pond]

Cromwell simply led the military, couped the government and then turned it into another monarchy

[honest osprey]

I'm talking about 1917!!

Pay attention, stop talking, and let me finish my argument.

[fossil wolf]

1880 is when Marx wrote about russia directly

[queen marsh]

W Lord Protector 🥹

[carmine field]

You're next

[lunar surge]

Was he called King?

[queen marsh]

No

[ocean pond]

Lord Protector, his successor was his son

[honest osprey]

Damn it, bro, the revolution happened in 1917, I'm taking that date into consideration.

[queen marsh]

'Lord Protector'

[queen marsh]

chud richard

[fossil wolf]

Lenin was also an active opponent of “stageism” and this deterministic mindset of history

[honest osprey]

Now shut your ass up and let me finish.

[lunar surge]

Lord protectorate. Not monarchy

[ocean pond]

not a King, but still a monarchy

[queen marsh]

Was his son richard

[carmine field]

I hate politics

[fossil wolf]

Okay then lets say 1917

[queen marsh]

Wow so rude..

Ok, I’m a stupid American and I genuinely want to be informed: are Islam and Muslim the same thing, are they two sectors of the same religion, or are they completely different?

What is bow typing

[lunar surge]

No. Lord protectorate

[fossil wolf]

Was transition into socialism without a capitalist stage possible in russia

[carmine field]

They are

[honest osprey]

Again, I'm going to start over, and I hope you'll let me finish this time.

[carmine field]

Muslim is just

[queen marsh]

ok thanks

[fossil wolf]

Answer the question boy

[subtle sigil]

This is honestly one of the major problems I have with Bowistan (and for hosting medieval map wars)

Feudalism wasn't a standardized form of social and political order

It's more of a broad collectivization of how we view medieval (european) societies. Even though, those societies differed and varied structurally based on historical and environmental factors.

[honest osprey]

I AM ANSWERING

[ocean pond]

'Monarchism- A form of governance based on kinship.' not vague, leaves room for other types of monarchy, NOT BASED ON TITLES

[carmine field]

Muslim means something that is islamic

[ocean pond]

nothing else needs to be added

[honest osprey]

Shut up and let me formulate the argument to answer your damn question.

[lunar surge]

If they are also King or queen

[queen marsh]

Bowistan is DONE
host polsea

[subtle sigil]

Idoria:

[ocean pond]

No because that ruins the whole thing

[carmine field]

Why r we arguing abt fking politics in the first place🥀

[ocean pond]

because

[lunar surge]

Not for me

[queen marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-random-kid-random-kid-gif-10698606526004440975

[midnight mauve]

why are you arguing with Karl's greatest reddit warrior btw

[honest osprey]

Marx said that a society, before revolution, needs to evolve to reach the necessary conditions (evolve within capitalism, since there is nowhere else to evolve before revolution).

But that was impossible in the situation in Russia in 1917.

[queen marsh]

@midnight mauve hello this is decafia we fly over to your palace and ask what will you do about the miran question

[honest osprey]

Russia was a poor, screwed-up state in a post-war state.

[midnight mauve]

miran question?

[queen marsh]

Yes.

[ocean pond]

Emperors, Empresses, Princes, Princesses, Lords, Ladies, Overlords, Overladies, Marquisses, Duchesses, Dukes, Viscounts, Counts, Viscountesses, Countesses, Jarls, Earls, Grand Dukes, Grand Duchesses, Arch-whatevers and MORE

are NOT KINGS NOR QUEENS

[midnight mauve]

Russia if industrializing was a challenge

[ocean pond]

yet are MONARCHYS

[honest osprey]

To expect capitalism to develop there, besides being impossible, if it were possible, could lead to the ruin of the revolution.

[subtle sigil]

Russia got the short straw in history

[lunar surge]

Not they aren't

[ocean pond]

and should STAY MONARCHYS

[ocean pond]

yea they are

[lunar surge]

No

[ocean pond]

yea they are

[carmine field]

Fuh naw twin

[midnight mauve]

name one time period in which russia was a desirable place to live

[lunar surge]

Nuh uh

[honest osprey]

So, the only way was revolution, bypassing the evolution of capitalism.

[queen marsh]

@subtle sigil invade the ornish

[fossil wolf]

He did not. He, in fact, said that Russia was a possible starting point for international socialist revolution- as early as 1880, in fact, long before the historical revolution- and that it would need to be backed up by concurrent revolutions in western europe

[midnight mauve]

https://giphy.com/gifs/goku-BWZslVd1zXsHK

[lunar surge]

LET THEM SPEAK

[velvet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/judy-hopps-scuba-tiktok-dance-baby-boo-gif-10715200134141212483

[subtle sigil]

I want to...

but he watches

[honest osprey]

So, to conclude my argument, yes!! A socialist revolution in Russia was possible without a capitalist state.

[carmine field]

There are some way worse countries in this world than russia

[queen marsh]

WHAT do you have with them

[honest osprey]

Dude, go fuck yourself.

[midnight mauve]

oh yes
plenty of undesirable places

[subtle sigil]

(They're oldest alliance in Fish MW)

[midnight mauve]

russia's always been one

[queen marsh]

There is a way...
Its called intelligence funded coup

[lunar surge]

Early latvia

[carmine field]

Yeah

[subtle sigil]

illegal!

[fossil wolf]

England over the past 800ish years has been the most desirable by far

[velvet flax]

Why so sigma

[carmine field]

Im not saying that russia is a desirable place to live in

[honest osprey]

I showed you countless texts to prove my point, and you seem more lost than a blind man in a shootout.

[queen marsh]

We should not stick with the old rotting alliances!

[subtle sigil]

luckily
I know better

[lunar surge]

Nah

[fossil wolf]

you showed one without the further context that marx’s work is explicitly referring to the development of capitalism in western europe

[queen marsh]

Syrlstaria also illegally invaded our land and beat our people

[midnight mauve]

maybe the last 60ish years england was desirable

[carmine field]

Fuh naw

[fossil wolf]

people who dont know history

[honest osprey]

With all due respect to the moderators, but I can't find the words in English to describe my feelings for this guy.

[subtle sigil]

sucks to suck

[carmine field]

Yes you

[honest osprey]

So, vá pra puta que te pariu

[queen marsh]

wow

[fossil wolf]

england’s always been, in comparison to the rest of the world, remarkably developed

[honest osprey]

Filho da puta do caralho

[lunar surge]

He need ban

[honest osprey]

Thanks

I am now retiring.

[fossil wolf]

the english economy was largely capitalist in nature by around 1500

[queen marsh]

English

[ocean pond]

Russia got the short end of the stick, especially in Europe

[queen marsh]

Okay its midnight im

[subtle sigil]

he always returns

[queen marsh]

Im gonna sleep

[ocean pond]

along with like

[midnight mauve]

we should send oil to 1830s london as a poor person

[lunar surge]

Ban ip

[subtle sigil]

Good night

[ocean pond]

all the other slavic nations

[carmine field]

Yeah

[midnight mauve]

i wonder if this sentiment will remain intact

[queen marsh]

Bye bowa

[fossil wolf]

yeah i’d rather live in london in the 1830s than anywhere else in 1830

[subtle sigil]

Long live Decafia!

[honest osprey]

And what the hell does the English economy in 1500 have to do with the fucking Russian Revolution in 1917?

[lunar surge]

Early Estonia 10000 bc

[subtle sigil]

down with the Srylstere!

[honest osprey]

You look like you're blind in a shootout, puta que pariu

[carmine field]

There are some terms and conditions for living in the uk

[fossil wolf]

this is an entirely different conversation

[ocean pond]

no...

[fossil wolf]

the whole of england rather

[honest osprey]

Nothing you say makes sense.

[fossil wolf]

doesnt give counterexample

[honest osprey]

We were just talking about Russia a moment ago.

[ocean pond]

Industrialization

[fossil wolf]

what part of “the english economy had transitioned into one largely capitalist in nature by around 1500” doesnt make sense

[ocean pond]

cholera

[carmine field]

Doesnt want to argue about fking useless things*

[ocean pond]

etc etc

[carmine field]

Thats different

Twin

[gaunt stump]

Estonia ruled all of europe but theyre are nice country

And gave it al back

[ocean pond]

read gothic literature and study medical history of England

[honest osprey]

You can't get a person to maintain a train of thought.

[midnight mauve]

@honest osprey this is a classic tactic of ignoring the point to then strawman

[lunar surge]

I'm praying that he says a slur and gets banned

[fossil wolf]

and where would you rather live?

[gaunt stump]

Rn?

[ocean pond]

English countryside

[honest osprey]

Is it that you can't control yourself, or do you derive an inevitable pleasure from interrupting others?

[carmine field]

Not on this planet def🥀

[fossil wolf]

the other conversation was clearly over atp

[gaunt stump]

Swiss countryside

[ocean pond]

Sweden

Italy

[lunar surge]

America

[gaunt stump]

On a villa

[fossil wolf]

which is still part of england

[ocean pond]

Switzerland

[subtle sigil]

Estonia mention

[ocean pond]

im talking about LONDON

specifically

[gaunt stump]

Man that would the life

[subtle sigil]

when do we nuke?

[midnight mauve]

oil has stated that he largely uses discord to debate people on communism

[ocean pond]

because you SPECIFIED London

[fossil wolf]

my point is that england has been historically far more developed than the rest of the world and if you gave me a country to live in over the past 800 years i’d pick england

[gaunt stump]

Doing whatever you wwnt

[fossil wolf]

fish did

i didn’t

[subtle sigil]

proof?

[gaunt stump]

No media on a random village

[ocean pond]

BULLSHIT

[gaunt stump]

You can even try herding sheep to remain humble

[fossil wolf]

yeah and look at what i’m replying to genius

[ocean pond]

in agreement

[lunar surge]

Timmy toughknuckles

[fossil wolf]

fish brought up london in the first place

[midnight mauve]

i'd argue the eastern US was probably the most desirable place to live in the 1830s

[subtle sigil]

I actually believe the last 60ish years have been worse

[ocean pond]

and you supported it

[gaunt stump]

I mean

[subtle sigil]

well
80ish

[gaunt stump]

Alot of places

[honest osprey]

Portugal controlled the passage from West Africa to South Africa through Brazil and Angola. It had multiple ports in India and elsewhere. For a long time, it was one of the major powers in Europe.

[fossil wolf]

and then you wake up in GEORGIA

[subtle sigil]

oh wait

[gaunt stump]

Wasn't japan isolated and peaceful

[midnight mauve]

aint nothing wrong with georgia except for the massive slavery based economy

[gaunt stump]

During 1830s

[honest osprey]

Spain was one of the most powerful countries in Europe, and, if it hadn't been boycotted by France, It would have continued like this until today.

[fossil wolf]

the portuguese system was undeveloped in comparison to england, they maintained feudal aristocrat-serf relations at the time

[carmine field]

FUH NAW

[fossil wolf]

you’re confusing “power” with historical development

[subtle sigil]

the large Cherokee population:

[lunar surge]

We got an england glazer here

[ocean pond]

England really only started to lead in the 1700s

[midnight mauve]

i believe the cherokee were ethnically cleansed in the 1820s?

[lunar surge]

Boooooo Scottish independence!!!!!

[subtle sigil]

wait, they were forced out before 1830, weren't they?

[fossil wolf]

england was more developed, in a higher stage of progression, with wage labor and commodity-form production already being commonplace by 1550

[subtle sigil]

yea

[gaunt stump]

The civil war was before 1830 i believe

[fossil wolf]

they werent

the trail of tears happened during the jackson presidency

[lunar surge]

IRISH FREEDOM BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[honest osprey]

For centuries, China controlled the largest trade route in the Old World, built a massive wall, and has always had an incredible history of militarization.

[carmine field]

Yk gng if i had to choose what country id want to live in rn, id prob choose america. Not cause its better but because i just want fking guns

[fossil wolf]

this has nothing to do with my claim of historical development

[subtle sigil]

am aware
(this is why we need to remove him from the 20)

[ocean pond]

weren't they still trailing behind the other major powers politically and militarily

[midnight mauve]

oh it was the 1830s

[lunar surge]

Trans person here. Same

[midnight mauve]

AJ was not a good president

[honest osprey]

China, long before the Europeans, had gunpowder, paper, organized cities, and an entire plantation system.

[ocean pond]

ex: Not being able to get into the 30 years war

[carmine field]

As a russian person i cant even imagine a freedom of owning weapons in there

[subtle sigil]

and then burn his remains and dump them in an unmarked grave

[left garnet]

very powerful but very colonial and very dangerous and violated many human rights in that colonial period. Something to be proud of.

[fossil wolf]

no?? england’s historical development in comparison to france is what allowed england (which was objectively a shithole in comparison to france) to dominate them during the 100 years war

[iron sparrow]

If 2 femboys clashed, would a tomboy be needed to mediate the peace?

[gaunt stump]

Wdym the 20

[honest osprey]

The Aztecs had cities, a capital, a structured and organized government, and their own language.

[midnight mauve]

it's kinda fun to go shooting every once in a while

[lunar surge]

So free broheme

[carmine field]

Fhh yeah

[ocean pond]

yeah they were the like 2nd weakest of the major european powers during the renaissance

[subtle sigil]

Andrew Jackson is the face of the $20 dollar bill

[fossil wolf]

and what form of economy did the aztecs have?

[honest osprey]

The Incas had almost no firearms, possessed a complex monarchy, and had a writing system superior to that of the Europeans.

[ocean pond]

2nd to like Russia

[carmine field]

🤤 🤤 🤤 🤤

[gaunt stump]

What did bro even do

[subtle sigil]

despite having MUCH better candidates

we chose JACKSON!?

[gaunt stump]

To deserve that

[honest osprey]

Many countries have developed far better than England, and even before England.

[fossil wolf]

these people are arguing with me about historical progression and they dont even know what that means

[subtle sigil]

you say it like this is a punishment

[honest osprey]

The Aztecs also had gold and copper coins.

[lunar surge]

Lincoln is better

[fossil wolf]

this is just a lie

[honest osprey]

Isn't

[gaunt stump]

?

[subtle sigil]

Lincolns already on the $5 and the penny

[lunar surge]

Your just wrong

[fossil wolf]

the aztec “monetary” system, if one could call it that, was based around cacao, not coinage

[ocean pond]

while other countries had kings richer then other major power's entire countries, dominating the north, the new world, being a threat to all of europe or going toe to toe with the world power

[lunar surge]

We stopped Penny production though

[fossil wolf]

gold coins existed but they had no monetary value

[gaunt stump]

Wheres Roosevelt on a bill

[lunar surge]

So?

[ocean pond]

England was kinda busy with its self

[left garnet]

new platform came out

[ocean pond]

and trying to get onto the world stage

[fossil wolf]

so using that as an example of historical progression is wrong

?

[ocean pond]

like russia

[lunar surge]

No

[subtle sigil]

true

but even so
they're in still circulation

[honest osprey]

In any case, many countries developed better and earlier than England.

[fossil wolf]

the purepecha were more developed than the aztecs as they had complex metallurgy

[honest osprey]

Economics isn't everything.

[lunar surge]

Put Lincoln on the 20

[gaunt stump]

I think id rather live in africa

[fossil wolf]

“marxist” who thinks that the economy and material conditions aren’t everything

[ocean pond]

Not to mention, economically Italy was ahead of England

[carmine field]

Fahh

[ocean pond]

And scientifically

Despite the church

[gaunt stump]

Just like middle of no where Africa in 1830s

[carmine field]

Do you even hear yourself twin

[left garnet]

ok what are we talking about???

[honest osprey]

But if my goal is literally to eliminate the currency

[ocean pond]

And Italy was a bunch of minor, moderate powers and puppets

[honest osprey]

Economics isn't everything.

[fossil wolf]

they were in a different stage of historical development

I’m actually so tired of these lumpen bro

[ocean pond]

They were both in the renaissance

[carmine condor]

@tiny meadow do u fw my 2019 world

[fossil wolf]

Material conditions are the driving force behind literally everything

[gaunt stump]

@carmine field Holy shit can you stop reacting everything

[carmine condor]

😭✌️

[ocean pond]

Truth

[carmine condor]

Holy lord

[left garnet]

it’s always the stupid rebrs

[fossil wolf]

Typical for a “marxist-leninist”

[honest osprey]

The Aztecs developed an entire country without an economy (in fact, gold coins were worthless in the Aztec Empire, sorry).

[carmine field]

I have the freedom of reacting to messages and you cant take it away from me

[ocean pond]

Cocoa

Or whatever

[lunar surge]

You say it like a slur

[left garnet]

Leninism and Marxism don’t even mix well.

[midnight mauve]

a few months ago i restored a Mosin Nagant made in 1943 and then went out to shoot it

[ocean pond]

Not to mention bartering

[fossil wolf]

It is a slur

[midnight mauve]

it's a really really nice gun

[lunar surge]

MODS

[midnight mauve]

it's so comfortable to shoot

[carmine condor]

The concept of an economy isn't contingent on the presence of a currency

[fossil wolf]

It is a shameful descriptor

[carmine field]

Thats awesome bro

[gaunt stump]

Well its not like they did shit for the good of theyre hearts

[edgy surge]

[fossil wolf]

Marxist-Leninists think an economy is when you buy things with money

[lunar surge]

Please ban Oiljohn

[honest osprey]

Religion is another matter.

[midnight mauve]

the only problem with that gun rn is that the bolt does not like to open after you fire

[carmine field]

I cant imagine how good it feels to have a firearm

[carmine condor]

Western brained

[lunar surge]

Me neither.

[fossil wolf]

There also was a semi-universal currency in mesoamerica and the wider pan-american trade network, being cacao beans

[gaunt stump]

??

Wdym

[left garnet]

the east and the west are basically the same. one of them is claimed to be the truth, and one of them is claimed to be a lie

[ocean pond]

Can we go back to saying Monarchism is a stupid word with a stupid definition

[honest osprey]

Oh

[fossil wolf]

But this wasnt a currency in the same way currencies like the money that exists today are

[lunar surge]

Yeah

[honest osprey]

I read "god" instead of "good".

[fossil wolf]

Taxes weren’t collected via cacao beans

[lunar surge]

Only hereditary and title

[honest osprey]

Sorry

[gaunt stump]

Its like im not building you a house bc i want to without me getting smth

[fossil wolf]

It was basically exclusively used by the proto-bourgeois merchant classes (which was not a strong class at all) in these societies

[carmine field]

Key of mj is actually true

[lunar surge]

Then not a currency

[wicked nimbus]

Target should sell nuclear warheads for 10.99

[ocean pond]

Not hereditary exactly, not title certainly

[midnight mauve]

i hope russia liberalizes some day, and stuff like gun ownership can happen
but if not you may find places to go shoot some temporarily

[gaunt stump]

Overpriced

[subtle sigil]

I agree actually

[carmine condor]

What do you consider to be a currency

[lunar surge]

Actually, title and heredity.

[fossil wolf]

It was, a currency is just something you use in place of something with objective value to conduct exchange

[ocean pond]

‘Monarchy- A system of governance based on Kinship’

New monarchy definition, actually makes sense.

[lunar surge]

Money

[carmine condor]

Not standardized yes but like

[midnight mauve]

i hope russia liberalizes just so i can visit some cool sites

[ocean pond]

Making systems of government based on titles is stupid

[gaunt stump]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[velvet flax]

Agh

[ocean pond]

What can you only be democratic if you have a president or prime minister??

[carmine condor]

Currency ≠ standardized state produced tender

[lunar surge]

‘Monarchy- A system of governance based on Kinship AND if they are kind or queen’

New monarchy definition, ACTUALLY actually makes sense.

[carmine field]

Sadly thats probably not going to happen, atleast not in my lifespan. If anything russia is becoming even less liberal

[lunar surge]

Money

[midnight mauve]

💔

[left garnet]

I can make a better definition.

[ocean pond]

Only dictators can be autocrats?

[gaunt stump]

Brother you should pray that America loses the gun rights

[fossil wolf]

Money is a form of currency, not all currencies are monetary

[ocean pond]

Genuinely stupid

[honest osprey]

We can only say that this little social democrat piece of shit doesn't know what he's talking about, since he can't let anyone follow a line of reasoning without feeling an inevitable pleasure in interrupting

[lunar surge]

Money

[fossil wolf]

Adam smith literally talks about this in the first 100 pages of wealth of nations

[fossil wolf]

He thinks I’m a socdem lol

[carmine condor]

Ragebait

[gaunt stump]

If its inevitable why can I see it

[carmine field]

Sum adam smith🥀

[midnight mauve]

he does he just doesn't know how to properly debate a person

[ocean pond]

‘Monarchism- A system of governance based on Kinship.’

DONE, THATS IT

[lunar surge]

Money

[carmine condor]

Does he know?

[fossil wolf]

In which he describes the scottish pre-money currency of nails

[lunar surge]

And if they are king or queen

[ocean pond]

THAT SOLVES THE ISSUE OF THE MONARCHIST DEFINITIOJ

[midnight mauve]

so would this make this every family owned enterprise a monarchy?

[carmine condor]

What do you think he's doing right now though

[ocean pond]

That’s not a government

[honest osprey]

I cited numerous texts by Marx to prove my point, and he basically said "fuck you, bro" to all of them.

[midnight mauve]

he's debating like a reddit user (he literally lurks on reddit)

[subtle sigil]

I would argue
that 'kinship' isn't strictly familial

Unless you intended that definition

[fossil wolf]

I am more leninist than lenin, the direct line from the great and admirable comrade amadeo bordiga through the ICP and its dissolution

[left garnet]

‘Monarchism- A political system based off a king/queen. Usually includes one leader.’

[velvet flax]

Theres just something different about snowy spring

[midnight mauve]

he does this

[honest osprey]

He just wanted to know the answer to something I was already answering.

[ocean pond]

I meant family and very close to family

[ocean pond]

That just brings back the old issue

[carmine condor]

How

[lunar surge]

Peak

[gaunt stump]

Personally I think the 2nd amendment isnt worth the amount of innocent deaths happening every day

[ocean pond]

Of diarchies

[honest osprey]

But since he couldn't keep his damn finger in the corner, he kept interrupting, and I'd get lost in my own train of thought.

[left garnet]

and what’s the issue?

[midnight mauve]

i mean true but i am not gonna give up my guns

[carmine field]

W mj key

[carmine condor]

Everyone keeps saying he's ragebaiting but all I see him do is just make points that people hand wave and swat away by labeling them as exactly that

Ragebaiting

[ocean pond]

It has no basis and excludes the majority of monarchy variations

[gaunt stump]

America is too far in to do that

[ocean pond]

Not basis sorry

[left garnet]

let me fix it

[lunar surge]

Good

[gaunt stump]

Ofc you wont if your neighbour doesnt

[ocean pond]

It’s based on titles

Which is stupid

[lunar surge]

Nice

[fossil wolf]

I kept interrupting because you were saying shit that is blatantly wrong. You have a menshevik, stageist, social democrat and deterministic conception of history- that a capitalist stage of development, implementing capitalist reforms, is first necessary to dissolve capitalism and then achieve socialism

[hot mortar]

Hi I just joined

[gaunt stump]

What if he robs you

[ocean pond]

Governance shouldn’t be based on titles

[lunar surge]

YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE MORE LENIN THAN LENIN HIMSELF YOU DOOFUS

[gaunt stump]

I love your videos

[hot mortar]

Thanks you too

[gaunt stump]

Thanks

[midnight mauve]

referring to somebody as a menshavik is genuine psycopathy

[lunar surge]

Only monarcy

[carmine field]

Honestly second amendment isnt that bad of an idea, its just that the realization of it is a bit awkward

[fossil wolf]

Lenin who famously loved the mensheviks and karl kautsky’s belief that a capitalist stage was necessary

[ocean pond]

No

[carmine condor]

He's wrong on that front because I'M the one who's more Lenin than Lenin

[lunar surge]

Yes

[carmine condor]

Oiljohn is merely my disciple

[subtle sigil]

Honestly
I don't believe gun rights **SOLELY ** contribute to these statistics

Switzerland is an amazing example of the 2nd amendment being done right. And, you rarely hear of gun violence there. (not that it doesn't happen)

[lunar surge]

Ragebaite

[gaunt stump]

If any country in Europe gets the 2 amendment that country should be invaded and reige changed

[left garnet]

‘A political system in which a country is held by a single person (the monarch) who occupies the role of the monarch by rule of succession/inheriting it.’

FIXED

[carmine condor]

If I see Switzerland get brought up one more time in one of these gun rights debates I'm gonna claw my face off

[wicked nimbus]

The Californian fent zombie hordes need to invade france

[carmine field]

Wait switzerland has second amendment?

[gaunt stump]

Yes but thats different from the us isnt it?

[lunar surge]

‘A political system in which a country is held by a single person (the monarch) who occupies the role of the monarch by rule of succession/inheriting it. And it's king or queen"

[ocean pond]

It’s too specific, excludes a lot of the variations

[subtle sigil]

BUT

there is something to be said about the social-economic difference between Switzerland and the US

which, I believe is more significant

[lunar surge]

America 2 but good

[subtle sigil]

yes, it is

[ocean pond]

Diarchies should still be monarchies

[midnight mauve]

you know switzerland has a very good gun ownership system

[lunar surge]

No

[ocean pond]

Same with CERTAIN elective monarchies

[midnight mauve]

please claw your face off

please claw your face off

please claw your face off

[subtle sigil]

gun-ownership in switzerland is more regulated than the U.S.

[fallow bloom]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eaj-eajmusic-streameaj-akiPZoesKGlPtD2l1M

[carmine condor]

Ragebait

[gaunt stump]

Yeah im talking about a us style amendment where I can just buy a gun when im 18

[lunar surge]

Switzerland is better than us

[gaunt stump]

Anytime I want

[carmine field]

Alr thats bad

[gaunt stump]

And anytype

[ocean pond]

Switzerland is better then most counties if we take out morals

[wicked nimbus]

Thats not a high bar

[midnight mauve]

in my state i have to wait until im 21 💔

[left garnet]

‘A political system of political authority ruled by a single person who holds the position of monarch.’

[fossil wolf]

marxist-leninists are just kautskyites who have aura

[carmine field]

Fnaf 4 without the red sky

[subtle sigil]

Yea
I wouldn't say that's possible
but

I don't know the specifics about Switzerland's gun laws

[carmine condor]

Switzerland is a third world country

[gaunt stump]

Its not like your moving out before 21

[lunar surge]

Please don't enter the politics hellhole please you will be corrupted

[opaque quarry]

I made some edit slop 🥺✌️

[carmine condor]

Barbaric folks.

[subtle sigil]

not being able to afford to in this economy:

[left garnet]

Some 18 year olds can’t even drive! Why give them a gun for gods sake?

[wicked nimbus]

Ive been playing cyberpunk for the past twelve hours

[lunar surge]

I like the ncr

[lunar surge]

Cool

[midnight mauve]

i mean i dont own any guns legally
but i already technically "have" two

[fossil wolf]

I got in an argument with an indian white supremacist over whether or not suppressing the mestizo and indio voices in post-spanish latin america was good for the historical progression of these reasons

[carmine condor]

I had a pole in my hand before I ever even touched a steering wheel I cnl

[fossil wolf]

That was a nice conversation.

[gaunt stump]

Wooden ones?

[carmine field]

Alr that sounded weird asf bro😭

[midnight mauve]

no a mosin nagant

[lunar surge]

Totally

[midnight mauve]

and a .410 break action

[wicked nimbus]

I got an at rifle

[gaunt stump]

Oh nice

[carmine condor]

It didn't sound weird to anyone else but you

[lunar surge]

I want a rifle

[subtle sigil]

easier to consolidate money under a working single-family home

[flat sequoia]

:8ball: Outlook not so good