🌎general

[real kindle]

:|

[tall shore]

Ur brain-dead liek ur pfp

[low mist]

ye i am

[unique parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-true-elysia-true-truth-nuke-elysia-hi3-gif-12649882821826714264

[low mist]

:b

[amber depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/522561390330904587/1479657792037195796/alzoef.gif

[tall shore]

Is this @placid sphinx

What even is Wuwa about bro

I mean, what is this entire genre of gacha anime games even about

[uneven escarp]

Nuh uh

[amber falcon]

[uneven escarp]

Blasphemy

[low mist]

You bet, but instead of having a chance to win money you onlydo it loosing it

[uneven escarp]

Everyone knows that locks predate keys

[amber depot]

it's been a while since I have seen rankism in general

[low mist]

nice cat

[flint surge]

Kim Jung Un did nothing wrong

[real kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wof-wings-of-fire-kinkajou-glory-gif-1088741819775394047

[low mist]

that's like denying the holocaust

[flint surge]

How would you have a lock without a key 🤦

[amber depot]

Great not this guy

[uneven escarp]

One way lock

[finite verge]

whats her ig

[flint surge]

Then what’s the point of a lock if you can never open it 🤦

[finite verge]

that reminds me of a ninjago diary i had that came with a figure

[uneven escarp]

Im not taking the bait

[finite verge]

and it had a metal lock on it

and my dumbass lost the key

so truly what is anything without the key

[flint surge]

It’s not bait like genuinely what’s the point of having a lock when you can never open it

[flint surge]

That sounds poetic

[flint surge]

I don’t even know who you are

[amber depot]

Oh right

[uneven escarp]

Bathrooms locks kingdom gates etc

[amber depot]

good

[finite verge]

hypothetically every lock can be opened even without a key

[flint surge]

Bathroom locks have keys 🤦

[amber depot]

Public ones don't

[finite verge]

but it takes a lot of effort or just a lock-pick

[flint surge]

But it’s hard and people don’t want to buy a new lock the whole time

[finite verge]

you can open a locked door using a credit card

i saw my uncle do it

i still dont know how

[flint surge]

“Kingdom gates” lil bro we ain’t in medieval times 🙏😭

[flint surge]

You can’t open locks with credit cards 🤦

[finite verge]

kingdom gate locks would be so primitive that a modern lockpick is getting the job done

[finite verge]

but you don’t truly care about the lock you care about whats inside

the lock is meaningless

[flint surge]

Poetic

[flint surge]

Kingdom gates aren’t a lock

🤦

[finite verge]

oh

idk just use the conventional method

siege weapons

[flint surge]

Locks are truly dead

[pearl vortex]

You sound like a uncivilized key.

Blink twice if you are being held hostage by the keys

[brave vessel]

🧐

[flint surge]

Without a key a lock is useless

I’m not even on a side

But it’s just true

Objectively true

Why would I lock something without a key

[pearl vortex]

Locks are just better

[flint surge]

Also you literally are the ones being used by the key

[stark token]

Meat dispenser at the mrt station is empty 💔

[pearl vortex]

We exist to keep out the keys

[flint surge]

Keys will slide in no matter what

[real kindle]

"under maintenance"

[finite verge]

find the nearest person and eat them

[pearl vortex]

If it is the wrong key

[flint surge]

And nothing to stop it

[pearl vortex]

Then no

[flint surge]

Every lock has their own key

[stark token]

The meat broke down

[flint surge]

Somewhere out there

[finite verge]

does it matter if its a key if a simple pick can open most locks

[stark token]

Too many calories, looking for a light snack like a tenderloin

[flint surge]

Just eat someone’s fingers

You can easily break fingers btw

[stark token]

That's true

[finite verge]

but you could still kill the person from blood loss or shock

[brave vessel]

.

[finite verge]

so you’re wasting food

[amber depot]

You can break many things easily

[flint surge]

Why would you care about the life of food

[tidal glacier]

change name btw

[flint surge]

I don’t care about food

[amber depot]

then starve

[brave vessel]

This ain’t world box anymore✌🏽😮‍💨

[flint surge]

Icl I didn’t even think about that when I read that

[finite verge]

true glutton

[flint surge]

I can’t starve

[amber depot]

You are a living being

you can

[brave vessel]

My username vs this

[flint surge]

Yes and no excess of energy am I losing

[finite verge]

hypothetically eating someone hand over their entire body when you’re not that hungry isnt optimal

because if you act first then wait the food will spoil

[wind shale]

that's why #🌋worldbox-chat exists

[amber depot]

eating humans is not optimal

[flint surge]

According to what

[wind shale]

???

[flint surge]

It has all the nutrients humans need

[winged hamlet]

First we world, then we box

[brave vessel]

I don’t remember this being black market chat😭

[amber depot]

you want me to sit here and explain to you the harms of cannibalism?

[winged hamlet]

Is chat discussing cannibalism again

[finite verge]

someone is deadass gonna think we’re pro-cannibalism ☠️

[wind shale]

i mean worldbox chat is for worldbox though

[lapis junco]

https://youtu.be/PUtI3xoaHx0

[flint surge]

Yes? It has literally everything a humans needs since its all the stuff a human has

[wind shale]

but what does this server do to talk about insane stuff like this all of the time

[tall shore]

Why are talking about the most optimal way to commit cannibalism

Can we change topics

[winged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[amber depot]

you couldn't
apart of the MORAL and LEGAL aspects

[finite verge]

it all started with the meat vending machine

[tall shore]

This is why you should unretire

[brave vessel]

I got told to change my name but they gonna let this pass

[finite verge]

no no no

[tall shore]

You started it lmao

[finite verge]

bring rokku back

[real kindle]

What's wrong with hogrider?

[amber depot]

at all

[finite verge]

i was giving tips and tricks

the poor guy was hungry

actually

[tidal glacier]

I literally made this long ago

[tall shore]

The right answer was supposed to be "find another meat vending machine"

[finite verge]

i’m kinda hungry rn

[dry sparrow]

howdy yall

[flint surge]

What do you mean you couldn’t?

[placid sphinx]

Just eat food

[winged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-the-groomsmen-the-groomsmen-last-dance-that-ship-has-sailed-gif-11197230927938429133

[amber depot]

You can't survive off human meat

[tidal glacier]

rebrs when being normal is a challenge

[flint surge]

You can

[amber depot]

NO?

[finite verge]

the optimal choice would be to rob someone hypothetically

[flint surge]

It has all the macro and micro nutrients you need

[sick goblet]

u evewr watch a video that makes your body tremble a bit with anger

[flint surge]

All a human needs is what a human has 🤦

[finite verge]

because if there were more vending machines

it would be pointless to even talk about it being empty

[tidal glacier]

we need better admins ngl...

[real kindle]

Kinda

[amber depot]

You could get a shit ton of illnesses

[finite verge]

bring back rokku and make him head admin and you have my vote

free my boy

[flint surge]

How?

[tall shore]

We got great admins wdym

[dry sparrow]

not all of the compounds that make up a human can be effectivaly digested BY a human

[flint surge]

What is the difference between human meat and other meat that gives diseases

[flint surge]

Like what

[finite verge]

human meat can give you kuru

and kuru isnt optimal

[amber depot]

also some parts of the body COULD have mercury from eating other things

[flint surge]

Every meat can give you kuru

[dry sparrow]

cartilige, hair, nails, teeth

[brave vessel]

Lowkey I been chilling in this several for a while and I don’t remember this being normal back in 2024🤨 they would have been banned

[amber depot]

also you can't eat the brain

or eyes

and yk

[flint surge]

You can consume cartilage but I am not talking about eating hair nails and teeth, although you can probably use the teeth for bone broth

[finite verge]

hypothetically it’d be more convenient to rob someone and buy actual food with their money

[amber depot]

It's not morally correct to eat humans

[tall shore]

This is why we discourage such topics

[finite verge]

because you’d commit a crime either way

[tall shore]

You guys have the tendency to get weird

[finite verge]

not me though right

[dry sparrow]

using teeth for broth is different from eating it

[finite verge]

not me though

right

[flint surge]

You can eat eyes and brains it’s just not a western norm

[tall shore]

Yeah, I don't know why you guys even bother to talk about this topic

Nothing fruitful can be gained from this shit

[flint surge]

You are consuming it

[finite verge]

answer me chud

[amber depot]

he started it

[covert zenith]

man

[amber depot]

I am just very boerd

[dry sparrow]

yeah but not all the calories or nutrients are being taken in

[finite verge]

erm actually

i started this whole fiasco

[tall shore]

U started this, I'm exiling you to antartica

[finite verge]

and you CHUDS took it too far

[amber depot]

Ik I didn't want to blame you

[tall shore]

To sleep with Penguins

[flint surge]

Yes but the human body is more than just bones 🤦

I am mostly talking about what is eatable

So the organs and meat

[finite verge]

penguins are highkey very optimal creatures

besides being actual fodder

[brave vessel]

Why is this being normalized.

[amber depot]

wait why are we even debating with him of all people?

[dry sparrow]

thats not a bad fate tbf

[amber depot]

he is a monarchist

[dry sparrow]

like be one of their own

[flint surge]

What is your morality based upon

[tall shore]

Monarchism is W

[dry sparrow]

dude do u know the caloric value of a human

[tall shore]

Especially in minecraft

[dry sparrow]

ok thats a dumb point nvm

[flint surge]

It can last you for 40 days btw

[dry sparrow]

ignore that

[tall shore]

Being a dictator is your birthright

And no one can flame you for it

[unique parrot]

That's Elysia

[amber depot]

the average ones for a human

[flint surge]

Only smart person here

[finite verge]

yeah because there will be no one

[unique parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-honkai-impact-3rd-herrescher-of-human-ego-gif-3969082585886327392

[amber depot]

legality and the such

[tall shore]

Lmao 😭

[flint surge]

What is “the average one’s”?

[winged hamlet]

Until you nationalise your country's natural resources....

[amber depot]

Legality

[earnest cradle]

i believe i have something to say about that

[finite verge]

as the current emperor of new jersey all of my loyal subjects must bring me tribute (wawa)

[amber depot]

and rights

[tall shore]

Was this Rokku's pfp

[finite verge]

those who fail to comply will be exiled to NYC or philadelphia

[amber depot]

I don't usually agree with the law

[brave vessel]

Have you come to stop this eating people chat🥹

[flint surge]

So basically what humans decide, so it’s basically relative

So if majority of humans decide cannibalism good then you believe cannibalism is good

[winged hamlet]

Putting 100,000 crab coins bet on @flint surge getting a warn in 10 minutes

[earnest cradle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/3d-saul-saul-goodman-1

what kind of halfwit

decides their morals

by looking at the law

[flint surge]

Exactly

[tall shore]

"I'm betting all my crabcoins"
Proceeds to warn him myself

[earnest cradle]

lobbying is legal, is it moral?

[flint surge]

Btw slavery was legal under law

[finite verge]

theoretically speaking cannibalism wouldn’t work in a civilization it would just make everyone stupid chuds who go hurr durr urhhh and then fucking die from kuru

[amber depot]

idk man I haven't slept in 2 days

[earnest cradle]

the death sentence is legal

is it moral?

[flint surge]

That’s why it naturally was not selected for

[earnest cradle]

only scenario in which i'd agree with a m*narchist

[amber depot]

I didn't explain it right

[finite verge]

but im pretty sure as long as you dont eat the nerves ur ok

but i might be wrong

[amber depot]

My morals stand angainst murder

[flint surge]

What is murder

[amber depot]

and other things that I can't discuss here

[finite verge]

murder isn’t optimal

[winged hamlet]

Btw

[amber depot]

atp it's bait

bro

[earnest cradle]

so... basic human decency

[flint surge]

It’s hard to not eat nerves

[amber depot]

YES that

[flint surge]

No people have different definitions of that

[flint surge]

Murder essentially is unlawful killing

[brave vessel]

Finally

[unique parrot]

Nah

[flint surge]

So you still follow the law

[dry sparrow]

we have reached a point where morals are shocking

[flint surge]

If it is killed by the law then it’s not murder

[earnest cradle]

i think he meant murder as

[amber depot]

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

[earnest cradle]

killing people

[flint surge]

But maybe you have a different interpretation

[tall shore]

Hmm, TBH even though this is simply a discussion regarding cannibalism we can all agree this is getting way to excessive

[earnest cradle]

@flint surge

[amber depot]

and lawfuyl

just killing irl

that is bad

[flint surge]

Yes so you still follow legality

[finite verge]

the judge when you bring up this bullshit in a court of law

[earnest cradle]

some people use murder and killing interchangeably

so i wouldnt be shocked

if it was meant as just

"killing"

[flint surge]

Ye thought the same

But he is talking about unlawful killing so he is using the term correct

[quiet ember]

Now where's my lock?....

[amber depot]

I mean some do deserve death row

[flint surge]

According to what

Because they break the law

[amber depot]

Yes?

[flint surge]

So your morality still come from legality

[unique parrot]

You have to find it yourself

[finite verge]

i feel like death is too sweet of a punishment for some people

[dry sparrow]

no legality comes from morality

[earnest cradle]

as lxst said, "because they break the law" is a horrid reason for killing someone

[dry sparrow]

most of them

[flint surge]

Unless you believe it transcends above law

[earnest cradle]

there are

[amber depot]

I mean the things you get death row for are in my opinion fair

[earnest cradle]

so many better candidates

for getting killed

because they "broke the law"

[flint surge]

Yes I asked him where his morality comes from he said legality

[amber depot]

I agree that too

[finite verge]

some people need to be put in a forest so people can hunt them for money

[quiet ember]

It'll be tough then

[earnest cradle]

like stephen lett

[earnest cradle]

stephen lett (jw cult leader who made fun of his cousin who commited suicide BECAUSE OF THE RELIGION) , a few guys i cant mention here, the big t,

the list goes on

[unique parrot]

I believe in you

[amber depot]

I ment to say basic huma decency I just forgot the word

[flint surge]

And where is that based upon?

I can call anything basic human decency

[quiet ember]

Thanks a lot 🫂

[finite verge]

how about anyone who looks at me funny (because i’m the divine ruler of new jersey)?

[unique parrot]

[earnest cradle]

you are funny pal

[finite verge]

you have to pump my gas or else its a beheading

[naive estuary]

How to have modern world in worldbox

[cold walrus]

Mod

[amber depot]

Murder of the innocent
Theft
fraud
scamming

[tall shore]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-chips-eating-nom-crisps-gif-22496360

[naive estuary]

I use realme c71 phone

[rigid orbit]

Never

I will never turn to the lockside

[earnest cradle]

you know

we have an innate moral compass

[flint surge]

Yes but where do you base these ideas upon, why is this good and why is something else wrong.

[earnest cradle]

its just a really shit one at that

but

[finite verge]

wait is this key and lock thing some sort of hint for the next update

[rigid orbit]

All you locks are evil you commit all the crimes

And are a small % of worldbloxia

[finite verge]

who am i kidding that update wont drop until i’m 30

[amber depot]

in what I have been thought
in what I have research

[flint surge]

So it’s relative

[unique parrot]

Can't

[flint surge]

If your research and what you have thought were different

Then your morals would be different

[earnest cradle]

what is defined as "immoral" by the human psyche innately, from the moment you

first gain consciousness

[flint surge]

As you are saying

[earnest cradle]

is just

hurting other people

so

[cinder crow]

@tepid cargo @halcyon belfry @coral shell @shell cairn @tiny meadow @trim obsidian

[finite verge]

idk dude i was pretty violent as a kid

[earnest cradle]

also empathy and compassion

are part of said innate compass

so

[finite verge]

i used to have a rival when i was 3-4 years old

[amber depot]

that

[finite verge]

and we would throw rocks at eachother

[rigid orbit]

I'd agree with this but there is no objective morality also its mostly shaped by the culture later on

[finite verge]

and steal eachothers toys like fucking pirates

[earnest cradle]

developmental disorder

[finite verge]

nah

[amber depot]

What lock of evil and intimidation is saying

[finite verge]

my mom was pretty strict

[amber depot]

that

[flint surge]

Why would you say there is no objective morality

[earnest cradle]

we have innate empathy and compassion

the REST

is learned

like laws and stuff

[finite verge]

i still remember to this day

i dont even remember my mom from before i came to the US all i can remember is just a scary lady

and she wasnt even abusive or strict like that

i was just fucking evil

[flint surge]

It is proven that kids will feel empathy without any cultural stuff

It’s innate

[finite verge]

this is true

[rigid orbit]

If there is no god objective morality wouldnt exist

[earnest cradle]

https://phys.org/news/2022-06-born-moral-compass.html#google_vignettel

[finite verge]

me and that kid tried to kill eachother a few times

[flint surge]

Even babies

[finite verge]

then we became best buds kinda

i still wanted to rob him though

[iron sparrow]

if two straight dudes kiss, will they both become gay or will only one become gay?

[flint surge]

Not necessarily true, but who says there is no god

[rigid orbit]

Yeah i got to agree with that But we are still predators kids will still out of nature throw rocks at small animals

[earnest cradle]

neither will become gay

[finite verge]

if they kiss with the intention of being gay then they’re both gay

[earnest cradle]

they are not attracted to each other assuming its an accident

[tall shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-explosion-cats-kaboom-gif-5543609305179444322

[earnest cradle]

therefore they are not homosexual

also stupid question

[rigid orbit]

That is true because there is nothing it falls upon

[tall shore]

This server is being way too much for me to handle

[finite verge]

give me your job

yes

you

[earnest cradle]

we dont have an innate drive to not hurt animals

because they're not the same species as us

[solar siren]

why I'm being pinged

[earnest cradle]

i think this is

very elemental

[finite verge]

most of our values are just learned behaviors

[flint surge]

Hurting animals is not something normal for kids

Unless it’s insects

[earnest cradle]

i dont know man ive seen a lot of children hurt small animals >that arent domestic<

[flint surge]

But were they hurting with the purpose of hurting or did they not know

[rigid orbit]

Because i'm a lazy bum il just copy what i said a few weeks ago Also objective morality requires a God to function because without a transcendent source of moral law all judgments of right and wrong are determined by culture if a barbaric culture says an action is right then according to cultural relativism it would be considered good even if it involves murder or oppression without God there is no standard above human opinion to declare an action truly good or evil

[earnest cradle]

they probably didnt know

toddlers are just

like that

[rigid orbit]

Its nature

[flint surge]

Yea a kid hasn’t have his brain fully developed

[earnest cradle]

"objective morality requires a go-" ❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌

[sick goblet]

you do not need a god to be moral

in fact many people who follow gods are immoral still

[earnest cradle]

yes, i agree but thats not the point

of this conversation

[rigid orbit]

Just as the lion feasts on a sheep so does a toddler throw rocks at insects 🥸

[earnest cradle]

its trying to determine objective morality

[finite verge]

pretty sure even if god exists morality would still be subjective hence the whole free will argument

[earnest cradle]

which

we will be here for a while

[rigid orbit]

Don't let your own folly blind you from the fact

[earnest cradle]

until we're at an impasse

agree to disagree

[flint surge]

You can have morality as a fundamental law of the universe like gravity but I personally believe there is a god because I cannot explain a universe without one

[fossil wolf]

objective morality isnt real but i believe every human has an innate system of internal ethics

[sick goblet]

objective morality likely doesnt exist

[earnest cradle]

or agree on something

[dry sparrow]

they are exploring what they can do with free will

[earnest cradle]

thats my point in this conversation

[sick goblet]

anything related to morality is subjective

[fossil wolf]

with the exception of psychopaths

[sick goblet]

some things may seem liek they should be objective morally

like not killing for example

[earnest cradle]

im arguing that "morality" is learned but we have an innate moral compass

[fossil wolf]

morality isn’t real, ethics are

[sick goblet]

but sadly that isnt true for everyone

[rigid orbit]

They do its a spectrum like autism

[flint surge]

That’s not the point it’s about objective reality not being able to exist without a god, that is what he was trying to convey

[tall shore]

I'm way too un-intellectual for this conversation I'm just gonna keep watching

[finite verge]

it’s 5 am i’m pulling blanks from the brain department so i’m just watching

[tall shore]

I didn't sign up to watch philosophers

[amber depot]

ngl same I just want to hate

[rigid orbit]

And what morality would that be?

Mayan mortality christian mortality

[flint surge]

Wouldn’t that be objective morality then if every human has an innate system of internal ethics?

[tall shore]

This is all because of that fucking meat grinder which is on maintenance

[amber depot]

yeah

[earnest cradle]

YES

EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING

YOU GET IT

[sick goblet]

those innate system of internal ethics arent the same for everyone though no?

[flint surge]

I don’t know about Mayan culture but Christianity like other abrahamic beliefs believe that morality is something innate

[sick goblet]

some may see stealing as wrong whereas others wouldnt

maybe even swearing

some would not do so whereas most do

[earnest cradle]

stealing is an act of desperation when done by someone who knows what they're doing is immoral

[tall shore]

We went from discussing cannibalism, the death penalty, "cult leaders," and whether objective morality is real

[earnest cradle]

desperation overrides morality

so does fear

[sick goblet]

i am not talking about such incidents

[rigid orbit]

I'm a christian myself also so i do believe in objective morality but you get my argument right

[finite verge]

it started with locks

[amber depot]

Lxst is stupid

[finite verge]

pay attention dude

[earnest cradle]

it is an objective truth that fear is stronger than morals

[sick goblet]

many times people will steel for greed

[reef crown]

WorldBox 2

[flint surge]

I am not sure if psychopaths have morality as far as I understand they have morality but they just don’t care

[sick goblet]

or to satisfy their vanity

[tall shore]

No it started with you bringing up cannibalism

[earnest cradle]

i get that

[finite verge]

no it did start with locks

[amber depot]

https://tenor.com/view/grievous-swbf2-swbf2grievous-general-grievous-star-wars-gif-12793722

[earnest cradle]

those are empathetically impaired

[fossil wolf]

the innate system is subjective, what each individual considers “good” or “bad” is based on their internal judgement rather than any inherent law of the universe

[earnest cradle]

and therefore outliers

[tall shore]

The meat grinder was in no way related to the topic regarding locks

[rigid orbit]

More on cultural values tbh

[tall shore]

It started with u

[sick goblet]

its quite common really

[tall shore]

You started this

[sick goblet]

especially in history

[earnest cradle]

i suppose

[finite verge]

what meat grinder

[earnest cradle]

it doesnt change the fact that morality is innate and therefore objective

[tall shore]

This guy is ragebaiting

[earnest cradle]

if i do not believe in science, often considered objective fact

it does not invalidate science

[tall shore]

Meat vending machine*

I was the stupid one ong

[finite verge]

this guy is ragebaiting

https://giphy.com/gifs/hurt-neck-crutches-XZkLULhNntm72uhgAG

[sick goblet]

i still believe morality is more subjective

[flint surge]

So you believe people have been born with different innate system of morality? But we can predict the morality of people?

[sick goblet]

most of the time such things are up for interpretation of the person viewing it

[tall shore]

Everyone can have their own beliefs and not argue on General defending it

[earnest cradle]

i suppose you're correct

[tall shore]

Y'all should leave this channel for brainrot

[sick goblet]

youll likely see a lot of people debating it in some things

like a murer takes place lets say

[rigid orbit]

Silence

[sick goblet]

but the person being killed is a horrible person

[tall shore]

murer

[sick goblet]

youll obviously have people who say its a net positive

[finite verge]

murer

[earnest cradle]

i understand your point

[tall shore]

I'm gonna murer you @finite verge

[earnest cradle]

i just rethought it

[sick goblet]

but then there will be others who say it isnt

[earnest cradle]

^

[sick goblet]

saying that murder is wrong no matter what

[rigid orbit]

General gets to smart

[sick goblet]

yes

i am not smart

[wicked nimbus]

Monster men

[sick goblet]

im on 2 hour of s;leep rn

my brain is creating stuff

[flint surge]

Anyway I will come with the conclusion for the person who believes morality is relative, if you believe morality is relative then you can’t objectively say cannibalism is bad

[earnest cradle]

me neither i am simply using language perceived as smart

[tall shore]

It feels uncanny, as if I'm on an entirely different server

[finite verge]

buddy you do realize that i am the crown monarch of New Jerusalem (new jersey) (gods chosen people)

[earnest cradle]

to make my agenda more digestible

well

[rigid orbit]

I realy isnt

[earnest cradle]

not really my agenda jsut my moral beliefs but

[rigid orbit]

My own beliefs dont change the truth

[sick goblet]

but what is the truth

[flint surge]

Truth means it’s objective therefore morality is objective

[earnest cradle]

the truth is objective fact

[tall shore]

New Jersey stands for New Jerusalem?? Since when

[finite verge]

new jersey is the true successor to rome

[finite verge]

since now?? get with the times

[earnest cradle]

see,

[tall shore]

Oh damn

[earnest cradle]

if i were to say

[finite verge]

new jerseyans are very noble people

[earnest cradle]

that this discord server is real, per se

[finite verge]

except for north jerseyans

fuck them

[earnest cradle]

it would be objective fact

therefore the truth

[sick goblet]

i know the truth is objective fact

[earnest cradle]

if i were to say that kiryu was shot dead two months ago,

it would be a lie

and not objective nor fact

[finite verge]

dont jinx it

[sick goblet]

but when you say your own beliefs dont change the truth

[tall shore]

Anyways, I should prolly go study for an exam, I'll come back when I'm intellectual enough to join such conversations

[sick goblet]

when it comes to morality

what is the truth

[earnest cradle]

ah

[tall shore]

I have nothing in my brain to spit out at the moment

[earnest cradle]

yes, that is a good question

what is the truth?

[sick goblet]

i think some tyhings are generally considered more

[earnest cradle]

the very much subjective morality?

[finite verge]

i could probably argue but my brain is still stuck on being the emperor of new jersey

[sick goblet]

unviersal or more onjective than others

like viewing murder as wrong

[rigid orbit]

This is a filthy strawman moral relativism doesn't mean "nothing is wrong." It means what we call wrong comes from human values like reducing harm and protecting people. Cannibalism can still be condemned because it violates those values, even if morality isn't an objective law of the universe

[flint surge]

But the point is you believe morality is subjective jf it is subjective then you can’t say cannibalism is bad is the truth because it’s not objective belief

[earnest cradle]

like viewing cannibalism as wrong, too

[sick goblet]

of course there will always be outstanding circumstances to these

that may make their views deviate

for example you mention cannibalism

[finite verge]

i will erect a massive castle in the holy land of newark and we will feast on the entire wawa menu

[earnest cradle]

morality is an objective fact, not an objective system

[rigid orbit]

You are a filthy falacy bender i know what kind of person you are

[sick goblet]

it reminds me of that one plane crash

[flint surge]

You follow a system that is subjective to determine something to be good or bad

[sick goblet]

do you knwo the one i speak of

[earnest cradle]

morality is very much variated, such as plants

[sick goblet]

where they crashed in the mountains

[earnest cradle]

plants are an objective fact

[sick goblet]

and they had to eat the dead passengers to survive

[earnest cradle]

but they are

very much variated

[earnest cradle]

not sure i recall

[sick goblet]

although at that point

i feel your desire for survival

will override morality

[flint surge]

This is not a strawman because I am literally following the logic of the belief 🤦

[sick goblet]

im sure those people didnt want to resort to such a thing

but their circumstances demanded it

[finite verge]

what if my desire for survival is cheating on my gf

checkmate philobro

yeah im gonna shut the fuck up now

bye

[sick goblet]

idk i feel liek cheating is not very productive to survival

[earnest cradle]

fear, the drive of self-preservation and by extension desperation

[sick goblet]

you are directing hatred towards yourself

[flint surge]

You are the one who started this

[sick goblet]

its a great way to get killed

[earnest cradle]

all override morality at some point

[iron sparrow]

SATORU GOJO??

@long sedge

[tall shore]

Nah that's me on cosplay

[low mist]

chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg

[earnest cradle]

its just how we work as sentient beings

[finite verge]

that one japanese soldier who fought after 30 years

[long sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

[iron sparrow]

GOJO IS COMING BACK IN GEGE'S JJK IDOL MANGA

[fossil wolf]

this is morality, not ethics

[finite verge]

modulo yuji kinda looking like me… heh.

[sick goblet]

of course there is also outliers even in this as well

[iron sparrow]

I'm being fr btw, gege is making an Idol manga in the Jjk verse

[earnest cradle]

yes, people with a particularly strong sense of morality

[sick goblet]

they usually show themselves in people that are in a "hero" line of work

[earnest cradle]

or people who dont buckle under stress

[sick goblet]

yes

like a firefighter

or a police officer sometimes

[iron sparrow]

@earnest cradle

[earnest cradle]

what

[sick goblet]

they run into the danger at their own peril

to save others

[iron sparrow]

Its been

Years

[fossil wolf]

i dont believe anyone’s internal system is objective or predetermined, the innate ethical nature of any individual is shaped by consciousness, individual and collective (ethics vs. morality), and that determines their assessments and what they consider “right” or “wrong”

[earnest cradle]

im still working

[earnest cradle]

well

we are still working

we have the magic section done but we need to revise it

and we're picking up on characters and political entities

[sick goblet]

morals is just nature vs nurture and almsot all of it is nurture

[fossil wolf]

what i mean by “innate” is probably closer to “integral” or “organic”, it forms a part of their being

[reef crown]

Yoda

[earnest cradle]

we do have a few flags done though

[sick goblet]

yeah

[fossil wolf]

i am not particularly experienced when it comes to this field of philosophy so i might be getting my terms wrong 🤒

[earnest cradle]

no character art though since my phone

[flint surge]

But there are experiments of babies having been born with a sense of morality

[earnest cradle]

isnt fixed yet

[sick goblet]

whats up

[earnest cradle]

and im afraid ill fuck the concept art up

[sterile skiff]

wouldn't all of it be nurture

[reef crown]

The sky

[earnest cradle]

morals are entirely nurture, as oil john said innate morality is ethics

[sick goblet]

yeah

[flint surge]

There is predictability on core things that people find good or bad

[sterile skiff]

that's a fair point ye

[iron sparrow]

Worldbox is more optimized than Lego

[earnest cradle]

game is like 500 mb

typo

typo

[fossil wolf]

yeah, this is what i mean by the individual consciousness aspect

[earnest cradle]

typo

[sick goblet]

i want a food

[low mist]

Is that lego?

[flint surge]

I see but wouldn’t that be objective then?

[iron sparrow]

NO, THIS IS PATRICK

[finite verge]

jogo is highkey dogging toji

[low mist]

woah

Fuck you

[sick goblet]

why pangolin so cool

[sick goblet]

dragon scale

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-animals-funny-malayanpangolin-gif-17911863

[finite verge]

bathing in shih

[low mist]

Ai

[north hound]

Wtf

[sick goblet]

r u dumb

that gif is from a video that predates ai

[sterile skiff]

idk they just are

[low mist]

Is ai

[sick goblet]

they walk like a dinosaur

its not ai

[fossil wolf]

while there are things we can predict broadly, there are outliers who hold no individual moral consciousness, like psychopaths, for example, whose moral character (if you can call it that) does not exist as part of their individual consciousness, and who show no ethical drive

[sick goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pangolin-walking-pangolin-pangolino-maéva-merceron-shy-pangolin-gif-22564401

[low mist]

clearly is

[earnest cradle]

why did this conversation diverge

far past the point

of "is cannibalism ethical or not"

[sick goblet]

the gif is ltierally from before ai

it isnt ai my guy

[low mist]

u lying

is ai

[earnest cradle]

because i believe the conclusion would be that cannibalism is not ethical seeing as we are hardwired against it

(unless in moments of absolute desperation)

[low mist]

Why would you eat your own race

[earnest cradle]

desperation

starvation

and other factors

[sick goblet]

the gif appeared at least 6-7 years agpo

[low mist]

Millonaries be like

[sick goblet]

ai video wasnt that great back then

[earnest cradle]

it really depends on how long it takes for you to crumble under the threat of death

[flint surge]

Psychopaths have a cognitive understanding of right and wrong but even if they wouldn’t, would you not say 99.9% humans having that base of morality, won’t that make it that be objective?

[tidal glacier]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1221947154613141585.gif?size=160&name=my+grip+on+reality+is+gone

[low mist]

Kittieeee

🏊‍♀️

[tidal glacier]

500mb game in this year?

[sick goblet]

ugh my headphone make my ear hurt a bit

[fossil wolf]

if there are any outliers, the idea of an “objective fact” is proven wrong

[north hound]

New username

[fossil wolf]

for it to be objective it necessarily must include the whole of that which it applies to

[sick goblet]

many

[worldly drum]

im in a wheelchair guys

[low mist]

What does it mean

[north hound]

Show

[fossil wolf]

and a “cognitive understanding” is not the same as an ethical understanding

[worldly drum]

💔

[low mist]

proof

[worldly drum]

💔

[north hound]

My real name

[amber depot]

holy shit

[tidal glacier]

damn, prom night in a few weeks

[worldly drum]

my legs are fucked

[sick goblet]

head hurt

[tidal glacier]

chat should I attend or nah

[sick goblet]

fix them

[worldly drum]

trying to rn

[low mist]

What happened to them

[north hound]

U without legs?

[worldly drum]

ig

[sick goblet]

ill give u mine

cut em off rn

[amber depot]

do you want to?

[worldly drum]

no but theyre fried

[sick goblet]

they work just fine

[worldly drum]

accident

[sick goblet]

what happened

[low mist]

my condolences

[sick goblet]

car crash?

fall on ice

?

fell down stairs?

[worldly drum]

ts

ish

kinda

[north hound]

Ok, don't burn they again

[worldly drum]

ish

[tidal glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-air-kiss-dance-anime-vocaloid-gif-6604312283853367875

[sick goblet]

damn

falling down stairs is dangerous

[low mist]

dawn what are u even playing

😭

[flint surge]

Would you say humans having 2 hands is objective or not?

[worldly drum]

i can tell yea

[sick goblet]

i fear falling down the stairs and snapping my leg in half

[iron sparrow]

14 minutes and 37 seconds into watching the first episode of Apothecary Diaries, AND I FUCKING HEAR SATORU GOJO??

[sick goblet]

or dying

[iron sparrow]

HOLY SHIT??

[floral edge]

worldbox 2.1

[sick goblet]

even though im only 23

[flint surge]

True

[low mist]

Proof

[fossil wolf]

No

[tidal glacier]

shit you watching that as well?

[floral edge]

no

[iron sparrow]

Yeah

[tidal glacier]

hell yeah

[low mist]

Fuck you

[iron sparrow]

AND I FUCKING HEARD MY GOAT, SATORU GOJO

[finite verge]

True cannibal™️ emerges and terramogs all of you into oblivion

https://tenor.com/view/simon-nessman-meme-chad-gif-12844278292575751709

[sick goblet]

me when voice actors voice act in more than one thing

[iron sparrow]

I KNEW I WAS GAY THE MOMENT I HEARD "SATORU GOJO"

PAUSE ON THAT

[finite verge]

prions 🤑

[flint surge]

I guess you would be consistent then, I would say however deviancy wouldn’t make it not objective

[sick goblet]

just dont eat the brain

shrimple

[finite verge]

nerves too

[low mist]

Why

[sick goblet]

prion live in it

it home

[fossil wolf]

i would also argue that other animals having an absence of innate ethics in the same manner humans do disproves an “objective morality”, though you could argue they dont count because they dont have souls or whatever

[low mist]

[sick goblet]

hmmm

[sick goblet]

sapience vs sentience

[north hound]

Why

[low mist]

Uh

[sick goblet]

humans are sapient

idk if any toher animals r though

[low mist]

Roblox is a shit

[low mist]

more pedos than kids

[sick goblet]

all other animals are sentient mostly

btu not sapient

[rough hatch]

Sir

[sick goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[earnest cradle]

i think debates on morality should only center around sapient beings

[low mist]

Aren't we homo homo sapiens

[sick goblet]

yes

[earnest cradle]

itd be silly to debate the morality of a turtle

[sick goblet]

sentinet doesnt have the higher reasoning ability

for such things

[flint surge]

I would personally say it would be a lack of full grasp of morality, animals do have it but I would say inneffecient, and I do believe animals have souls

[finite verge]

read this in a deep scouser accent

[earnest cradle]

rather silly in fact

[sick goblet]

sapience means thinking

[low mist]

Cir

[earnest cradle]

read it in a stereotypical london accent with a raspy voice

or in john cleese's voice

[sick goblet]

do u think some primates are sapient

idk how u determine if they r

[finite verge]

man british people are so funny

[earnest cradle]

they dont exactly have higher reasoning

[finite verge]

i wish they existed

[earnest cradle]

so id say they arent sapient

[low mist]

😭😭

[sick goblet]

theyre close but not fully there

[finite verge]

nvm i had a friend who was from the UK

but he didnt have accent

[earnest cradle]

as far as i'm concerned humans are the only species considered sapient

...by humans

and i, conveniently

am human

so

[finite verge]

he kinda did

[sick goblet]

humans storking their own egos

as usual

[finite verge]

it slipped in a bit

like the symbiote

[sick goblet]

"guys were animals but not like other animals"

"were humans"

[stoic solar]

Lol

[sick goblet]

suiperior

[earnest cradle]

• the religious

[stoic solar]

Very khalix

[low mist]

The brain classifies itself as the better organ

[sick goblet]

brain is stupid

[finite verge]

last time i checked animals can’t level cities with a metal cylinder

[flint surge]

Who says we are the brain

[sick goblet]

it clearly knows where all my organs are cause it communicates alright

but i dont know where they are

[vital hollow]

the brain does

[earnest cradle]

the soul isnt real

[sick goblet]

its hiding stuff from me

[lapis junco]

"Nah we aren't animals, to call humans animals is wrong!"

[low mist]

We are just a noodle guy that controls meat

[sick goblet]

its kinda crazy some people still think humans arent animals

[earnest cradle]

unless you're implying that we are the kidneys

[flint surge]

Animals is just a category term

[sick goblet]

like wtf woudl we be then

[low mist]

we are 60% close to cats

[finite verge]

to be fair it doesn’t really matter if someone thinks we’re animals or not

[earnest cradle]

enough shitting humans are just

[earnest cradle]

all organs together

[flint surge]

To use for organisms with animal cells

[flint surge]

Yes exactly

[sick goblet]

its important to remember we are animals though

we are not gods

[finite verge]

like we KNOW that we’re animals but we’re the ONLY animal that has developed this far

[sick goblet]

sure humans like to play god

[finite verge]

so people will obviously be like fuck no

[flint surge]

You mean to stay humble

[sick goblet]

but we still have instincts and desires

like other animals

[earnest cradle]

we are gods in comparison to everything else

[flint surge]

Yes

[earnest cradle]

just weak gods

[flint surge]

But we also do not follow instincts or desires

[sick goblet]

the real god is earth itself

[finite verge]

dude im religious but if i get to see a mammoth in my lifetime due to gene editing i will die knowing that i saw a fake temu mammoth

[flint surge]

That makes us different

[sick goblet]

nothing man makes could ever compare to the pure power of nature

[lapis junco]

Humans can do wonderful things, but non-humans can as well. Slime mold, a single-celled organism without a brain, is able to form efficient pathways between points that mirror human planning

[earnest cradle]

the chimpanzee when i pull out my gun and shoot it

[sick goblet]

also u ever think about how like

[flint surge]

Earth is a rock in space

[earnest cradle]

(it cant throw a ball of shit at me)

[fossil wolf]

we do

[sick goblet]

peopel worshipped the sun kinda makes sense ngl

[flint surge]

?

[sick goblet]

overpowered thing

[earnest cradle]

the earth is an inanimate object

[lapis junco]

Though maybe this is just a hint that some of the people in charge are secretly slime molds too

[flint surge]

You say we 100% follow instincts and desires?

[finite verge]

people worshipped a lightning man that liked to fuck everything

[rough hatch]

God was actually the friends we made along the way

[earnest cradle]

bad faith

[sick goblet]

god is just something thats powerful ok

[flint surge]

The sun is just gas giant in space

[sick goblet]

the sun super mega powerful

[flint surge]

How?

[sick goblet]

a giant nuclear fusion reactor

[earnest cradle]

"this drink doesnt contain sugar"
"it does"
"OH SO YOU'RE SAYING I'M DRINKING A PILE OF SUGAR????"

[flint surge]

My argument is that we do follow instincts and desires but also not in some parts

[sick goblet]

nah quite a lot of humans give into desires way too easily

[earnest cradle]

wording

please

[sick goblet]

its quite a big issue

[flint surge]

Then he says “no”

[sick goblet]

one example being food

[flint surge]

So he would either have to believe either 100% fully

[finite verge]

a giant source of energy i can monopolize after achieving immortality - a billionaire probably

[sick goblet]

you give up healthier foods for the tastier brain happy foods

[flint surge]

You can just read in context it is also obvious when reading one message

[sick goblet]

you give into those desires

[earnest cradle]

but then again

[tall shore]

Soral Panels:

[lapis junco]

?

[earnest cradle]

reason is a bigger part of us

than instinct

[finite verge]

sor

soral

[tidal glacier]

soral

[earnest cradle]

soral

[sick goblet]

instincts like

not wanting to fall off a very high place

thats pretty normal

[tall shore]

Typos are my personality

[sick goblet]

but then

theres soe freaks of nature

who do that for fun

smh

[flint surge]

What is not understandable?

[finite verge]

i’m deadass scared to walking down hills

[sick goblet]

u never see people who do such hobbys live to be old

[finite verge]

idk why

[sick goblet]

im terrified of the ocean

[finite verge]

ngl i’ve always wanted eternal youth

but just to like

spectate earth

[sick goblet]

yeah

just eternal youth though

[lapis junco]

You said we do not follow instincts, as a statement. The one I shall not name said that we do. You assumed they meant we entirely follow instincts, even though they did not specify that

[sick goblet]

regular immortality

[earnest cradle]

i walk downhill a lot

[sick goblet]

imortality but no invulnerability

[tall shore]

Stop spoiling shit - the matrix probably

[earnest cradle]

i live in a small plateau

so

[finite verge]

i never walk downhill because a hustler like me only moves up

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[earnest cradle]

its not that scary walking down hills when you learn the ropes

[finite verge]

hundred emoji hundred emoji fire emoji

[earnest cradle]

some are steep but its no biggie

[flint surge]

The sun nor the earth deserve worship or belief, they are not sapient or have anything that has an intelligence it’s just rock and gas

[sick goblet]

i wasnt saying to worship them

just i was saying

i understand why people did

[earnest cradle]

religion has always worked like this

[sick goblet]

i still cant relaly comprehend how powerful the sun is

[earnest cradle]

the sun and earth were just the most available figures at the time

[sick goblet]

even though im a modern human and understand how it works

its just too massive

the solar flares for example are crazy

[sick goblet]

explosions the size of many earths

[earnest cradle]

im sorry but crazy thing

[finite verge]

ngl for some reason ever since i was a little kid i always felt spiritual

[earnest cradle]

big flaming ball of gas

[sick goblet]

causing beautiful arrays of colours in the skies

[earnest cradle]

big flaming ball of gas with nuclear fusion

means big strong

[finite verge]

but not the tacky crystal kind of spiritual

just like

its a weird feeling

[sick goblet]

yes but i know its a big thing

but such scale

cant comprehend it

[flint surge]

I know what you mean

[earnest cradle]

if god exists he probably hates my ass

[finite verge]

my hometown having a bunch of demonic ass folklore doesnt help at all dude

[sick goblet]

if god exists they probably dont gaf about us

[earnest cradle]

ive had several near death experiences after 2019 for no explicable reason

[sick goblet]

the concept of a god likely means they are a being on another level of life

compared to us humans

[earnest cradle]

also if god made me in his own image then damn god ugly asf

[sick goblet]

they likely dont have gender as thats a mortal thing

[earnest cradle]

im using "he" due to force of habit

[finite verge]

a god would be purely metaphysical

[sick goblet]

i know

[earnest cradle]

and... the fact that im referring to the christian god

[flint surge]

We don’t know that God never told us lol

[sick goblet]

wasnt referencing that

just saying that

a god if they truly existed

likely would be above all our mortal concepts

[tacit marsh]

Evil fucking wizard cat:,
MREEOOOOOOOOOW ⚡ ⚡ ‼️ ‼️ ⚡ ⚡

[sick goblet]

beyond our comrpehension

[earnest cradle]

i mean god did do some

rather heinous and dastardly conniving plans

to some people in the bible

[fossil wolf]

humans follow base instincts and desires

[flint surge]

If they wouldn’t gaf about us we wouldn’t exist

[sick goblet]

whos to say a god made us

[flint surge]

Yes I do not deny that?

[sick goblet]

if a god exists doesnt mean they had anything to do with us

[flint surge]

I also say we don’t follow that in part

[sick goblet]

they could just simply exist

[earnest cradle]

no one

[finite verge]

to be fair everyone in the old testament did deserve it

[earnest cradle]

we dont know god

[sick goblet]

humans could happen on our own

[lapis junco]

The humble Job:

[earnest cradle]

yeah no everyone in the OT including god was an asshole

[flint surge]

That’s what god is the creator

[rough hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-agnes-tachyon-manhattan-cafe-tachycafe-cafetaki-gif-2597685567919367409

[finite verge]

the average person in the OT would prolly skin you alive for 3 coins

[earnest cradle]

joseph didnt deserve it though

[sick goblet]

remember what jesus said about rich people

[earnest cradle]

nor did canaan