irl-gear

[royal pebble]

the RPG-26 is my favourite

[acoustic harbor]

RPG 26 my beloved

[royal pebble]

has an epic cool safety pin you pull out

[plush topaz]

So does the law

[acoustic harbor]

best Russian launcher is still the RPO-A Shmel

Thermobaric go BRRRR

[royal pebble]

RPG-28

125mm tandem disposable launcher

weighs like a billion lbs

[plush topaz]

Yeah those are huge

The 29 too

Er. Actually I only know the 29

Not the 28

[royal pebble]

the 29 is understandable because its a reusable launcher

the 28 is disposable and is the same size as a TOW tube

[plush topaz]

Ya

[plush topaz]

We still carry the tow at a platoon level

[royal pebble]

the 29 is comically long though

almost to the point of being unbalanced and awkward

[acoustic harbor]

looks like an SPG 9 tbh

[plush topaz]

You look like death stranding

[royal pebble]

extreme penetrating power though

[plush topaz]

So tough to keep your balance

Lol

[royal pebble]

now im imagining a militia fighter armed with one of these, tipping backwards and losing his balance and firing straight into the sky

[plush topaz]

[royal pebble]

we love the indian cum blast ammo

the 29 can be fired from a tripod with a different optic setup

so it kinda explains why its so god damn long

[plush topaz]

That's the 29?

[royal pebble]

yeah

you can still see the pistol grip on the bottom

[plush topaz]

Looks different than what I thought

Ohhh

You know what I'm thinking of

The new Panzerfaust

[royal pebble]

oh yea

the PzF 3

how could you mix those up lmao

[plush topaz]

I dunno

[royal pebble]

a whole lot of anti tank weapons, take ur pick

some of those i cant even name

the first one is an MGK Bur

one of the very few Russian rocket launchers that uses a detachable pistol grip

[frigid geyser]

or you are in the chinese infantry, where each squad within the platoon is carrying a 10kg 120mm PF98 unguided rocket and another one ammo for that shit that weights 8kg

along with disposable rockets for every member

[royal pebble]

nice cock tips

[frigid geyser]

but issuing that on a squad level... unguided, man back in the day we seriously question what the heck was wrong with our doctrine for firepower

[royal pebble]

how big is a chinese squad?

[frigid geyser]

like 10 people ?

[royal pebble]

rip dude

manning that is like a 3 man job

[frigid geyser]

two man actually

[royal pebble]

you need 2 dudes for a medium machine gun

[frigid geyser]

one is the shooter and the other one carry ammo

[royal pebble]

so like only half the squad is lightweight

and able to move quickly and take part in actual regular combat

[frigid geyser]

well, to be fair, something weird about chinese infantry is that

we actually don't have a medium mg

[royal pebble]

that is weird

the LMG is the type 88 right?

[frigid geyser]

nah, those stuff are rare

im talking about qbb95

literally an rpk type mg

[royal pebble]

@plush topaz if you thought the 29 is ridiculous

RPO Rys

a flamethrower variant of the 29

thermobaric

[frigid geyser]

usually within the PLA platoon we have more 12.7mm HMGs acting as GPMG lol actually

altho those thing are also a pain in the ass to carry for ammo and all

[royal pebble]

seems like the PLA just doesnt want to use man portable weapons lmfao

[frigid geyser]

well, our HMG, the type 89 is light enough to be carried around

but it is just our infantry firepower distribution is based on some absurd fetish for as much firepower for every squad and unit to the point that it is somewhat ridiculous

hell, just imagine a 10 man squad being usually issued with 40mm disposable rpg for everyone, 120mm rocket and then a ifv supporting

not mentioning the god knows how many hmg and grenade launcher that seems to be per squad by this point

[royal pebble]

you could offset the reliance on an emplaced 120mm RPG by just giving every member of the squad a lightweight disposable RPG

[frigid geyser]

well, we have both within the squad usually

120mm+ disposable

[royal pebble]

jesus

the Chinese faction in Squad is sure gonna be fun when that releases

[frigid geyser]

not to mention further atgms at the platoon lelve

[royal pebble]

everyone gets a rocket launcher

[frigid geyser]

as we joke back in the day

for whoever did the fire distribution for the infantry, they probably planned to give the chickens of the cooking squad rockets lol

but yeah, ultimately its a bit ridiculous

[royal pebble]

does every soldier have the “new” bullpup rifle or are there still AKs floating around?

[frigid geyser]

well, usually all main units of the pla now have type 95, 95-1, and for the elite/new ones the new QBZ191

and then usually for the border units QBZ03

only the rear units still have type 81s and type 56s

[royal pebble]

what on gods earth

[frigid geyser]

it looks like a good rifle tho, heard positive things from my friend that are being issued with it

shame that i left before they started giving out these in mass

[royal pebble]

yeah the rifle looks p good

[frigid geyser]

but yeah, usually you'll see the units of the people's armed police to be issued with older weapons like type 81s

not saying that we didn't have a shit ton of rpgs and all in storage anyway

[royal pebble]

Canada needs a new service pistol

the fact it’s 2022 and they’re still using the Browning Hi Power is ridiculous

[frigid geyser]

HP does the job i guess, it isn't like pistols are the most important thing whatsoever for the usual infantry

[royal pebble]

yeah that’s very true

it’s just not a good image though

that’s like if the Russians were still using the Makarov

(they are)

[frigid geyser]

they are tho haha

[royal pebble]

yeah lmfaoo

[frigid geyser]

well, i guess having a pistol even a hp is better than nothing ?

[royal pebble]

yeah

everything else the canadian army has in terms of small arms are pretty good

[compact dagger]

Damn, missed a bit of convo about Spike

: (

[plush topaz]

What do you mean. I was talking with you about it.

[compact dagger]

I mean that you guys continued when I was away

Just ignore that, was tired yday

[compact dagger]

has anyone here tried running IcePlates with armor plates in a carrier ?

if so how was it

[low fox]

not worth the squeeze compared to a canteen

[compact dagger]

thing with canteens is ( in my experience with them ) they are a bitch to get out and put back into the pouch

just from what I remember about iceplates is that they cool you a bit for a moment in summer, and keeps the water from freezing in winter

[low fox]

ive never had an issue with it

it's usually not that bad to get them back in to the pouch and it's not like I'm in a hurry to do so anyway

[compact dagger]

well for me its mostly to be used on the move

even if not running its a bitch to put into the pouch

and on the rig i have now i just don't have spare space to attach the pouch to

[low fox]

i feel like water is something that you should just make space for lol

personally I don't carry canteens on my carriers cause odds are I'm gonna have bottled water

but I do keep them on my chest rigs

[compact dagger]

well nowhere to really put it, on right side I have admin pouch and double mag pouch, and on the left I have mag pouch, dropbag and space for radio pouch

[acoustic harbor]

Best thing is a Camelback

[compact dagger]

Yea, I don't have the Camelback bag but just got water bladder that goes from my assault pack that's attached to the rig itself

but was thinking about iceplates because they don't interfere when I have to get the 3day pack on

[low fox]

camelbaks suck cock

only people who haven't had them pop while doing shit love camelbaks

i will never use a bladder unless i have no other choice for hydration

basically anything is better

[low fox]

yea they do

they create more standoff between your back and the pack

which fucks up the weight distribution

[compact dagger]

even if you are not using armor plates ?

I'd assume it'd be the same as using normal plates, just a bit thicker

[acoustic harbor]

don't most camelbacks use some kind of cover?

like how should they pop when not running into some fuckin steel, glass shards, etc. that could rip them

[low fox]

yes

unless it's inside of the platebag itself

[low fox]

it doesn't matter, they still pop

you take an impact or have to fight off your back and odds are its gonna pop

you basically have to keep it deep inside of something

[compact dagger]

well yea, where else would you use it ?

Or im missing smth

[real sigil]

Very difficult

Just get a rear panel pack

And use a bladder

[compact dagger]

as I said before, bladder will be an issue when i have to move with the 3daypack

already tried with only 1.5l filled in

[low fox]

people run them on the outside

or inside of the actual carrier

its only good if you have no armor, and if you have no armor there's better solutions anyway

[compact dagger]

ah ok

thanks for info

[naive maple]

tf are you carrying 1.5 liters of water for

carry 0.5 liters in a bottle on the packs belt

and if for some godforsaken reason you need more, refill (and carry water purification method(s) instead of a ton of water if you live in an area or you're going into an environment with shit water sources)

[royal pebble]

watch garand thumb’s urban survival guide

don’t use camelbaks

[acoustic harbor]

didn't he talk about a Assault Pack?

[compact dagger]

work requirements

its either 2 american flasks full of water or 1 camelbak

plus like 3l of water in the backpack

and other useless shit that i don't really need to carry but i have to

[coarse laurel]

@compact dagger the camelbak bladder i had came with this plastic thing that's supposed to protect it from rupturing

i just put it inside my flatpack, downside is it bulges abit

[compact dagger]

flatpack ?

[coarse laurel]

the backpack attacheed on the plate carrier

[compact dagger]

ah

yea i'm doing the same thing, ran it through the velcro straps on the shoulders, my thing isn't the "real deal" camelbak so it came with just a sports bag and a bladder itself

but we have the waterproof sacks from Snugpack and i just use those

so even if it bursts my ass won't get wet

[left flax]

@acoustic harbor thoughts on the slavyanka innovation suit?

this thing

[ancient ether]

Half u guys in this discord look like this fr

[night rock]

true

[crimson prism]

nsa you are a escape from tarkov player.

[ancient ether]

i escaped

[spring oar]

Noone escapes

[granite gazelle]

Not mine but figured y’all would like it

Oh snap put it in the wrong chat

[crimson prism]

this video goes hard can i save it

[coarse laurel]

i cant even grow a full on beard, if i tried id just get yelled at by 1SG to shave

[low fox]

damn thats wild

[low fox]

Why in the fuck is the angled on the right

if you shoot righty

[zinc apex]

he just said its bot his

not

[real sigil]

uh uh uh

uh-1

[granite gazelle]

Idk the bozo who owns it is left handed

[acoustic harbor]

pog

[left flax]

Good enough for me
I'm buying a set next month for 100 bucks

[acoustic harbor]

good decision

[left flax]

Da

[compact dagger]

@royal pebble here's the other camo I was talking last week

[royal pebble]

that is sexy

[compact dagger]

Yea I like this one

Unlike the white one with a bit of gree

Green

[prime condor]

who sells those?

[twin pecan]

Japanese company

Not out yet

[prime condor]

need to cop when they do. is there more information out there about them?

[modest flame]

Pink

[shrewd coyote]

On my soul folks is nerds

[calm pawn]

bro wearing gear on his house

[echo jay]

FM53 drip

[ivory creek]

I just ordered my highcom trooper

[low zodiac]

mans got the goofy brake on it

v6 headass

i like how you can see him struggling to even keep it up lol

extremely relatable, i have one and it is a absolute unit of a gun

[compact dagger]

@coarse laurel another question about agilite, do all V2 K19s have velcro on the bottom part of molle ?

And do none of the V1s have vertical molle ?

cuz cant remember if i have velcro but im 100% sure that i have vertical molle

and guys at work told that only the v2s have velcro

[coarse laurel]

They do

[compact dagger]

hmm

will have to check tomorrow

also weirdly enough, guys from other unit in our BN are saying they are fine with locks

like no sand or anything gets in and jams them

so im only one with that problem

[timber fog]

Can anyone toss me any tacticool jacket suggestions? Looking for something grey and hooded in specific

Bonus points for being affordable/not gucci gear

I normally just rock truspec gear but they don't have what I'm looking for here

[crimson prism]

no i dont know any

[compact dagger]

tacticool to the max

[split grove]

hii do you have a link for this patch

[compact dagger]

he mentioned its not out yet for wide audience

[split grove]

oh tyty

[compact dagger]

I have this https://www.arsenal.lv/lv/apgerbi/dzemperi/dzemperis-helikon-cumulus-zala

idk if its level of tacticool you want

but its good

[acoustic harbor]

UF Pro delta OL 3.0

or the Ark'teryx LEAF series

It will cost you some shilling tho

[neat moth]

10/10 love it

[twin pecan]

[haughty prism]

l

[timber fog]

This is actually perfect, especially the brown grey

Pricetag tho

[echo jay]

uf pro makes good shit

good shit dont come cheap

[acoustic harbor]

It's a warm jacket tho so only wear it in colder westher

[velvet wasp]

Should I buy This

[spring light]

yes

[crimson prism]

yes

[hexed python]

no its scam

[left flax]

Can confirm im the scanner

Scammer

Fuh

[timber fog]

Good point, ideally I'm looking for something more versatile but stylistically that one's spot on

Also something more affordable lol

Ya boy's broke as shit

[acoustic harbor]

feel you

Currently broke af as well

[acoustic harbor]

GreyShop Glad

damn it's ugly

I will shit on everybody who owns that ong

[royal pebble]

ppl who buy arm, throat and groin protection for airsoft are cringe

[acoustic harbor]

Imagine having no softarmor in them

[royal pebble]

i kinda die inside when i see somebody at the airsoft field running a plate carrier with no fake plates in them @acoustic harbor

then it’s all bendy and fucked up

looks so bad lmfao

[acoustic harbor]

Ye ye

even if I don't have plates in my Glad rn cuz Supply line of Ratnik and other shit is pretty circumsized i still use foams

even actual bodyarmor looks kinda shit without plates

depending on type ofc

[royal pebble]

yeah

i have one fake granit plate which is solid, and the rear plate bag is just two foam granit foams taped together and wrapped to be thick and dense enough to keep the shape

[acoustic harbor]

I would've gotten actual 5A Granits if the war didn't happen 6 days after i ordered

[royal pebble]

lmfao bad luck

there will be plenty on ebay in ukraine soon so don’t worry

[acoustic harbor]

another oof is that i bought a whole Plate + Vest set and so I sold my old 45

So no 45 for a while

[royal pebble]

what did u get?

[acoustic harbor]

I had a newgen 2020 prod 6B45 and bought a 2019 Midgen one with extra Granits but then war struck

and I sold my old 45 like 2 days after I ordered

at least my glad came and I ordered mid war

was surprisingly easy as well

[royal pebble]

i wanted to build a Ukrainian inf kit for a while but the war started and i couldn’t pull the trigger

plus the ukrainians need that gear more than i do

[left flax]

They have plenty

Looting dead Russians gives em a good amount I'd imagine

Seen alot of vids with ukranians wearing Russian armour and some 6b45s

[acoustic harbor]

Imagine ethically caring for sides of war and not only wanting tl claim the spoils

[left flax]

Ong

[royal pebble]

full time battlefield scavenger

[left flax]

War? More like cheap milsurp opportunity

[acoustic harbor]

that's the spirit

[left flax]

Yuh

Oh I get my slavyanka next week I think

Looked it up online and fuck they are pricey, getting a gud deal

[acoustic harbor]

already got the tractor ordered

2 T72s next monday

[royal pebble]

i will sell my soul for a VAL from ukraine

[acoustic harbor]

I rather want one of those Malyuks

seem interesting

needs an autopsy

[royal pebble]

the malyuk would rather perform autopsies than be autopsied

seems like a pretty solid rifle though

looks like the most well thought out AK bullpup so far

[fickle bison]

Copped for $75 shipped

6h112 with all the pouches

[acoustic harbor]

not all

Vogs are missing

but seem to be Rifleman loadout

[royal pebble]

TV-102 gang?

[visual rune]

Guess the Turkish plates work

[acoustic harbor]

Material?

looks kinda like SiC

also what did you shoot at it

[visual rune]

Idk someone in the general area of eastern Europe

[low fox]

that color is pretty indicative of it being silicone carbide

alumina is a pinkish orange color

[left flax]

It's a photo of a ukranians plate

Dude survived with broken ribs I think

[acoustic harbor]

hmm with that impact on the plate I would've never guessed

[left flax]

Just saying smhhh

Anyway cockroach armour works which is cool

[twin pecan]

no

[left flax]

Yes

[twin pecan]

no

[acoustic harbor]

I won't take any armor into consideration that isn't highend russian or US stuff,maybe Europe

Highend Russian stuff is trustworthy if you know your shit

US stuff is great as always

[frigid geyser]

i mean at the end with armor it really comes down to test and trial

so long it holds, it holds

[left flax]

Same lol

Not that I need armour for anything but still

[frigid geyser]

to be fair the thing that i am more skeptical about are helmets rather than armor

[left flax]

My helmet is rated for 9x18 which will do me because ik for a fact ain't nobody in my country got anything

[frigid geyser]

which one ? 6B47 ?

to be fair it's probably one of the least bulletproof helmets within the armies of P5s

[left flax]

Yah

I love how light it is, looks cool too

My favourite non super tactical schmactical helmet

[frigid geyser]

thats fair enough

[acoustic harbor]

at leasr

it's 1+

so you got protection from most 9x19 and maybe 45

would be a lil cautious with anything over that

as it isn't soft so it will have a harder time

but the main reason for a Army helmet is to stop frag

[left flax]

Yah

I won't be getting shot anytime soon though thankfully

Though I really want to get a K6 or altyn soon but fuck they are expensive

[acoustic harbor]

Demych got a mint altyn for 1.5k

[left flax]

I saw that

I do not have 1.5 unfortunately

Well I do but I need car

[left flax]

Found you on demychs insta lol

[acoustic harbor]

lmao

my insta isn't that hidden tbh

[left flax]

Yah I saw lol

[acoustic harbor]

5A size 2 (L SAPI size) weigh 2.7 kilos per plate

Alumina with Kevlar Backer

Kevlar thiccness depends if 5A or 6A

Gost R 50744-95 is from a distance of 5 meters not 6

as well as the 2017 revision

Germans are ret*rded as always

[low fox]

am trying to get my hands on MMAC and have the exact pouches it has in the game.
Help me where where I can find these so I can do a cosplay.

Other then that I hope they add the k19 into tarkov

[acoustic harbor]

for the price of an MMAC i would honestly + a couble bucks and get a Srandhogg

[acoustic harbor]

also Imho opinion everyone who thinks a plate with a weight of max 3 kilos is too heavy is a weak ass mf and should go to the gym

just sayin

[ripe wharf]

Have you been to an affordable American gym? Every mf in a 20miles radius is there, you wait 2 hours to get a bench press

I had to cancel my membership cuz there was never EVER any fukin available machinery or weights 24/7 packed wtf

Only the $150+/month gyms are okay, since the majority broke mfs can't afford it

Its cheaper to be a coach potato

[quaint jolt]

Just buy some equipment and do an at home gym

[ripe wharf]

$1.40 per pound for just weights

[acoustic harbor]

you can do a whole lot with bodyweight and dumbells just sayin

[quaint jolt]

My dad bought weights years ago when they were under .50c a lb

[ripe wharf]

The solution I found is to fill 5gallon jugs with water

[ripe wharf]

Yeah, a year ago, now shit is mad expensive

If prices keep hiking I will go from middle class to under poverty guideline

Will finnaly qualify for welfare

[acoustic harbor]

got some og patches

were probably sewn on as the velcro is glued own very.... makeshifty

[ripe wharf]

[left flax]

Honestly, lazy fucks

[left flax]

Also dope, love the one on the right reminds me of metro

[acoustic harbor]

it is inspired by the Spartan order

[acoustic harbor]

german fucks

a german dude posted info on the granit 5As and talked so much bullshit i corrected him he responded with: Still too heavy shoves 1kg NIJ 4 plate into carrier I'm thinking like, you can't compare issued plates to fucking civvies

[left flax]

Aaaah, the text gave it away. Would love to build a spartan cosplay for comic con but I'm poor

[left flax]

It's funny asf because 3.5 isn't even that bad lol

Used both of mine at my last airsoft game and was fine, barely feel the weight because your body supports it

[acoustic harbor]

3.5 are size 3 6As

he had size 3 5As

those are only 3 kilos

a little less iirc

most tacticool shitters are just spaghetti type tards

[kind rose]

Got the vehicle extract 🔥🔥

[acoustic harbor]

no boot

no combat pant

no helmet on

[kind rose]

Uh yeah no shit, do you think we have to wear it 24/7? 💀

[royal pebble]

turk ceramic plate saved a ukrainian soldiers ass

took like 5 rounds

maybe cockroach armour works

[left flax]

Honestly

[kind rose]

What does this mean

[mossy obsidian]

It’s better than nothing

[acoustic harbor]

most larpers are like very skinny dudes that can't probably march for 5 miles with a full combat ruck

[royal pebble]

clearly

[acoustic harbor]

with like 20 kilos of weight

[kind rose]

Does tacticool shitters mean larpers

[kind rose]

Have you?

[acoustic harbor]

ye

[acoustic harbor]

no but I can walk for multiple hours with a lot of weight on

I am also not praising myself as one who did do that, I still got a long way for the optimal body

[kind rose]

Fair enough, yeah fuck all that noise. My knees still hurt when I do squats. 💀

[acoustic harbor]

💀

[kind rose]

Those rucks do hella damage to your legs/back over time

But leg day is a scam anyways

[royal pebble]

walking is a lot easier than running tbf

i can walk far with a lot of weight if i’m well fed and pissed off enough

running is another story

[acoustic harbor]

don't skip legday

[kind rose]

I've run with battle rattle, rifle and ruck but only when necessary.

[acoustic harbor]

you don't wanna be a upside triangle do you

[kind rose]

Haha I don't, all jokes. Just did yesterday.

Did chest this morning and might head in again cause I'm bored as shit.

[royal pebble]

i’d work out in my kit but my neighbours would think i’m off the fuckin hinges and about to shoot up a mall

[mossy obsidian]

Simply, don’t care

Or throw a jacket on

[kind rose]

whats your kit

[royal pebble]

well i do airsoft so the guns aren’t real, but i run a wartech TV-102, a ballistic MTEK Flux, a wartech belt which i forget the name of

working on getting ceramic plates but i have training weight ones

[kind rose]

Oh okay cool

[royal pebble]

ye

what about you?

[kind rose]

Wasn't sure if you were an airsofter or one of those larper dudes that's all geared up for nothing.

Oh I finished my contract last year so I'm out.

[royal pebble]

technically i’m both

[royal pebble]

nice, what branch?

[kind rose]

AF

[royal pebble]

cool man

i have a few friends in the marines but not the AF

[kind rose]

It was fun while it lasted lmao. Legs are both kinda fucked from rucks and one got fucked up in an explosives incident.

[royal pebble]

yeah my friend got discharged on disability after too much heavy lifting

fun times

[kind rose]

Yup. It sucked but it was fun. It's hard to explain, definitely a love/hate thing for me.

[royal pebble]

the military is definitely a unique experience, i want to join eventually but need to wait a little longer. get some money flowing and a new living situation

then i can throw it all away and live in a barracks for 3 years lol

[acoustic harbor]

I just walked to the bus stop today with my Glad on because it would be too cumbersome to carry 2 duffles

And I waved a policeman

[royal pebble]

what’s the Glad? the sniper suit?

[acoustic harbor]

gimme a sec

[kind rose]

Getting out of the military is like leaving a toxic ex girlfriend. "Damn she treated me like shit, miss her tho"

[royal pebble]

lmfaoo, if you ask any of my friends they’d all say “fuck that shit i’m never going back”

[acoustic harbor]

The vest, that is a Glad, full name: MTP Gladiator S

[royal pebble]

lmfao jesus

sometimes i like to mow the lawn and trim the hedges with my helmet on because the ear pro drowns out the noise and i can listen to music

[low fox]

just go there in the morning

and by in the morning i mean at 5 am

[low fox]

working out in your kit is dumb anyway

like for what

there's no benefit in doing so

[royal pebble]

extra 30lbs of resistance

[low fox]

unnecessary

[acoustic harbor]

gso?

[low fox]

especially running in it

[royal pebble]

doing so

[low fox]

that extra 30 pounds of resistance doubles or triples the exertion on your joints in motion

[royal pebble]

i mean i run with the kit at my airsoft field so that right there is a purpose for working out in the kit

[low fox]

you're literally just wearing yourself out to no real additional benefit

[acoustic harbor]

maybe pullups and the like would be interesting to do with a platecarrier or similar

[low fox]

and for things like pullups

there's dedicated equipment that generate resistance properly and safely

gear does not do that, nor was it designed to

it's just a weird thing that for some reason caught on

[acoustic harbor]

crossfit tactec 💀

[low fox]

that's probably where it came from to be honest

god i hate crossfit

[royal pebble]

cross shit am i right

[low fox]

but anyway

anyone who tells you that you need to work out in your kit is dumb and should be ignored immediately

[kind rose]

I just take a weightlifting belt w a chain and hang plates from my waist.

[acoustic harbor]

i think most dudes do that

[low fox]

that's because it's more or less one of the more effective ways of doing it

[hoary siren]

Running with gear is bad
But rucking is fine

[kind rose]

Most dudes can’t do that lmao

[low fox]

you're not supposed to run during a ruck guy

it's called a ruck march

not a ruck run

if you run during a ruck, yes, you are fucking up your joints

and rucking should only be done sparingly anyway

[hoary siren]

Thats what I meant

[low fox]

i don't ruck whatsoever to train for rucks

[hoary siren]

Dont run, ruck

[low fox]

it's just completely unnecessary

[acoustic harbor]

best spare your joints

[low fox]

there's nothing that ruck marching as an exercise does for you other than lets you know where you're actually at for rucking

[acoustic harbor]

you only have them once

[low fox]

unfortunately, fudd fitness has persisted in places like the military for so long that people think "hurhurh have 2 ruck all the time 2 be good at ruk and strong"

[kind rose]

^^^^

Running with a weighted vest however is fine

[low fox]

luckily that's not an issue in my organization because THOR facilities have actual personal trainers, physicians, etc

so rather than people pretending like they know more about exercise and muscular exertion than they do you can just ask one of them

like shit, they'll plan out your macros and diets for you if you ask them

[acoustic harbor]

the best diet is eating what your mom makes

[kind rose]

Organization?

[hoary siren]

running with any extra weight is not advised

[kind rose]

You a trainer?

[hoary siren]

I help people train for half and full marathons

[kind rose]

So you’re not a trainer then?

[hoary siren]

Im not but that doesnt change the fact that running with added weight is awful for your joints lmao

[kind rose]

I just love getting advice from unqualified people. You run marathons, you’re probably pretty lightweight. So yeah it likely isn’t good for you. Doesn’t mean the same advice is applicable to all.

[royal pebble]

you’re not the boss of me, i’ll add weight to my runs if i want and i’ll destroy my kneecaps if i want to as well

[kind rose]

😂😂

I don’t personally do it, but I have friends that do who’ve had no issues. Particularly bigger guys whose joints can absolutely handle the extra weight.

[acoustic harbor]

bigger muscles does not translate to better joints

as joints CANNOT be trained

they can just degrade

slower or faster depending on what you do

[kind rose]

Bigger muscles means joints that are used to carrying more weight. Kinda common sense.

[acoustic harbor]

joints can't get used to more shit?

they just have a breaking point

[hoary siren]

Carrying weight =/= the constant impacts that running causes

[acoustic harbor]

do you mean that ! as a mathematical equation now or was it a typo

[royal pebble]

he means it as =/= i guess

[hoary siren]

edited for clarity

[kind rose]

So big dudes running is just defying the laws of physics

[acoustic harbor]

no

ffs

When you run the multiple impacts hit your joints more

as if you walk sit or do nothing

[kind rose]

Exercise can and does strengthen joints, according to people qualified to make that statement which doesn’t include you or me. I’m not debating anatomy on discord bro, I don’t care what you believe. That’s fine, believe it all you want.

[ripe wharf]

Is 4 in the morning early enough?

[acoustic harbor]

probably

[ripe wharf]

Its packed 24/7

[low fox]

organization, unit, take your pick of colliquialism

[ripe wharf]

I tried all possible hours

[acoustic harbor]

bruh even at fucking 2 am?

[low fox]

aint no wau

ive never seen one of those cheaper gyms that was packed that early

ever

[royal pebble]

you either live in the middle of rural kansas where there’s 1 gym per 700 square miles or you’re capping

[low fox]

unless the entire population of your city is single college students or dudes

[kind rose]

What is it is what I meant, military?

[low fox]

yes

[kind rose]

Branch?

[low fox]

army

[left flax]

Tree

[ripe wharf]

Such is miami yes

[royal pebble]

tree branch

[kind rose]

That’s the best one

[left flax]

🙏

[low fox]

oh nevermind

miami makes more sense

full of drunkards, college students, drug addicts, and drug smugglers

oh and cubans

[ripe wharf]

And many more

[acoustic harbor]

well Swimming would be a great exercise

and Miami isn't that shy of water spots isn't it

the fuck was that

[ripe wharf]

For some reason aligator gifs ain't allowed

Anyways these guys ain't shy of waterworks either

[acoustic harbor]

become florida man, snuggle with em

[ripe wharf]

Ah yes full on florida man style

[acoustic harbor]

I know one time were they forcefully made a alligator drunk

[left flax]

Need a permit to conceal carry an alligator

[kind rose]

Always wanted to wrestle one

[royal pebble]

fun little minigame

search up "florida man" and put your birthday after it

and see what you get as a headline

for example

[crimson prism]

Stuffed olaf

[royal pebble]

nice

[left flax]

Interesting

[mossy obsidian]

Ooh you got two

[royal pebble]

the rare and elusive double florida man event

[mighty marten]

anybody know a ton about pcs just got an entirely new pc and trying to figure out why my ram usage is so fucking high for tarkov i have 32 gb and it’s at 93%

[blissful leaf]

LsZH2TD came in

[low fox]

just got a triple

[acoustic harbor]

hows the weight of the spaceball

[low fox]

Military surpluss car

[left flax]

Goofy ass van

[summer warren]

*Goofy ahh van

[royal pebble]

is this in Sweden?

i’d know that camouflage anywhere

[low fox]

No its in norway, its the norwegian version (L3314N)

[royal pebble]

oh nice

that thing is cute not gonna lie

[worthy heart]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=If3DUaB6boQ

Have fun with this

[acoustic harbor]

if it wasn't obvious lmao

only thing to make steel effective is extra kevlar coverage

[worthy heart]

or consider buying ceramics

[acoustic harbor]

like any sane person *

[left flax]

dinky doo

[worthy heart]

there's only so much a spawl liner can do

[acoustic harbor]

spall liner?

[worthy heart]

sure this one was a single coat in the video

[royal pebble]

nah its called Spalding

[worthy heart]

but you also notice that the fragmenting also shot forwards

so no matter what really you still have a high chance of catching fragment

[ripe wharf]

Thats just basically a shitty bare plate, it happens with any metal plate, thats why the not from alibaba plates have a thick rubberish coat on them, it catches all the spall when the bullet fragments

[worthy heart]

it doesnt really matter sure having a better coat will help but fragmenting will still rip apart that and send fragments everywhere

bullets do weird things

and it can still fragment into you easily

[ripe wharf]

Thats what I'm saying, if it is properly manufactured, and not from aliexpress it will prevent that. Thats the whole point of putting that thick coat on, it prevents the spall from hitting your face

I forgot what video it was but a guy demonstrates how it works. I'll look for it

[worthy heart]

heres the problem with that again that coat wont last and this plate he used is not from alibaba

its a us manufacterer

sure its got shitty coat

[ripe wharf]

Making it garbage regardless of where it was made.

The coat is not supposed to last for a year, it will save your life when you get hit, thats pretty much as much as it will last

[worthy heart]

there were quite a number of times he shot the corner of the plate

i can assure you no matter what coat thats still going into your face

[ripe wharf]

Yes, there im not sure. Maybe if he shot the corner of the coated plate it might still spall, but that's super unlikely in a real scenario

[worthy heart]

he mostly hit the corner of the plate

in the video

its not hard

even then

when he did hit dead center the spalling still went forwards

you know where thats going to hit

your hands

[coral pivot]

Do other armor types not fragment?

[ripe wharf]

No one goes on the field aiming at a dudes plate corner. It would be unfortunate for you, but I'd use a metal plate vs ceramic that will turn into dust on first shot

[worthy heart]

ceramics

[worthy heart]

no one does

but you can still hit a corner of a plate cause no ones a dead shot

no one is a perfect shot

and the odds are you probably will hit a corner easily

especially under stress

[coral pivot]

Aren't ceramics a one n done?

[worthy heart]

no

but technically all plates are one and done

[coral pivot]

So, then yes.

[worthy heart]

you can take multiple hits with ceramic

and be fine

with steel you can take multiple hits but the odds are you are still going to get hit by fragment

[coral pivot]

What about wearing a kevlar (or similar) vest over a steel plate? Would that prevent spalling?

[worthy heart]

depends

its not really worth it

cause its too much weight at that point

[coral pivot]

Fair

[worthy heart]

plus fast enough bull will still blow out those fibers

[coral pivot]

Makes sense.

[worthy heart]

just wear ceramics

[royal pebble]

cant the spall liner seperate from steel plates after it gets hit?

[coral pivot]

Throw me a couple thousand to get a ceramic plate worth a shit?

[worthy heart]

sometimes

[worthy heart]

you can get rma for a few hundred bucks

[royal pebble]

yea dont do steel steel sucks

[worthy heart]

both plats i think will run you a little over 200

[coral pivot]

rma?

[worthy heart]

https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor-plate-model-1155/

i got mine for 200 flat

but they do sales all the time

[coral pivot]

A pair of level 4 for $300?

[worthy heart]

yep

i got mine 200 on sale

[coral pivot]

Not sure I'd trust those. Especially when every other company is selling them for $1k+

[worthy heart]

1k?

wdym

i can see that for a helmet

but not for body armor

body armor tends to be much cheaper

[coral pivot]

From the places I've been looking, they're all asking over 1k for level 4

[worthy heart]

you are looking in the wrong places then

[coral pivot]

Not surprised.

[worthy heart]

rma, bao, and i think hesco are considered the top for level 4s

if i remember hearing right

[coral pivot]

Hescos are expensive iirc

[acoustic harbor]

tell me you never looked into ceramics without telling me you never looked into ceramics

[worthy heart]

safe life also makes some solid body amour aswell they do payment plans

but they also are suppliers for tons of police departments and ems

[acoustic harbor]

Seb are single tile plates even still made nowadays?

If yes I wanna beat up the guy responsible

[coral pivot]

So, I'm watching the "will it survive" video RMA has put out, you can see the fragmentation off those level 4 plates.

[worthy heart]

so most plates are one big piece if i remember right but safe life makes flexible body amour that's but of tiles put together closely

[coral pivot]

His exact words, "whooa, you could see sparks come off that, skeeetchyy."

[ripe wharf]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpflqkuysOE&t=482s
Skip to 5min if ure too lazy to look through all of it

[acoustic harbor]

I paid 1.9k without plates for one armor (stolen from FSB) (at least softarmored) but for example the maritime Strandhogg is also 1.5k

[worthy heart]

https://safelifedefense.com/product/fras-plate-flexible-rifle-armor-system/?gc_id=10631357996&h_ad_id=450976159820&gclid=CjwKCAjwx46TBhBhEiwArA_DjGx0mT6dpUCTuTV9JBWgBtXvdMjg3zPGtIf3NqexAhIUEzIez9Kc6hoCHNIQAvD_BwE

[subtle cosmos]

Lick my balls

[worthy heart]

this is probably better than your fsb plates

[ripe wharf]

Not 100% spall stopper, but highly unlikely to go through, mentions pros and cons of both kind of armor

[subtle cosmos]

Take the color off them

[acoustic harbor]

most armors are 2 inch by 2 inch tiles or hexagons with a backer, UHMWPE my beloved

[worthy heart]

cool this is a biased source

[acoustic harbor]

I have not seen one tile plates since a long time

[coral pivot]

https://youtu.be/BVxgl9m2om4

[worthy heart]

this company fakes their shit

spartan is a cheap company

[coral pivot]

Bruh, there is blatant frag off these plates.

[ripe wharf]

So you not liking it makes it biased? Lmao. You either disprove their claims or don't just scream bias

[worthy heart]

ceramic pieces

[worthy heart]

no its biased source

its not proving a point

[coral pivot]

Nah, skip to 2:40.

That's what I'd expect from steel.

[ripe wharf]

Their claim is not unproven. Idc if they're biased about towards their product, what company isn't? I only care if their claims are true or not.

[acoustic harbor]

even ceramics spall a bit with bigger munition, the russians for example resolved that with a small carbon and kevlar layer, see the Fort ASP-Gs

[worthy heart]

nono people test their shit to get the same results

their a cheap company that is kinda next to ar500 steel

they fake their shit

[acoustic harbor]

ngl I'm not gonna argue and am just enjoying the shitshow, gonna get some popcorn, don't stop while I'm gone pls

[worthy heart]

find a better source

[ripe wharf]

Again, source? You got any that say their spall liner doesn't work?

And mind you, some spelling isn't proof, they state that it is not 100% spall proof

It is just a reduction method, nothing is 100%

[coral pivot]

So, continued watching that video, it DID stop m855a1.

[acoustic harbor]

the only way to be 100% spalling proof is to use extra kevlar in the armor

[coral pivot]

However, if someone is lighting up with m855a1, your little plate ain't gonna stop them shooting you 20 times.

[worthy heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFvyLFAijaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oogi2K6zLs0

trust me i can find more

[ripe wharf]

That's a different company

[acoustic harbor]

ehm, you know that nobody will "light u up" in most scenarios

[worthy heart]

its got a spall liner doesnt it

oo let me find more

[acoustic harbor]

also even shitty soviet bodyarmor from the mid 80s can stop M855A1

6B5-15 goals

[coral pivot]

Yeah, sorry, I'm not going to just shoot at someone once.

[ripe wharf]

Not all coatings are born the same, your moving goalposts now. And even that one stomped spelling, not 100% but beats nothing

[coral pivot]

Especially if I'm in scenario that body armor has been put on.

[worthy heart]

spartan uses the same style coating as ar500

you are coping

lol

[acoustic harbor]

if you're not in fucking police raid or smth you should be a little saving on your ammunition

[ripe wharf]

Whatever floats your boat, keep coping about steel plates

[coral pivot]

Yeah, not worried about saving ammo.

[acoustic harbor]

you use steel plates, you are the one using copium on a max

[worthy heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQOPKJpw-U

[coral pivot]

4x 30 mags are plenty to stop any threat I could face.

[worthy heart]

look

its missing

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

[worthy heart]

its gone

[acoustic harbor]

4 30s are nothing

any threat?

yea ofc mister sof

[coral pivot]

Against 3-5 people, it's more than enough.

[worthy heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zRH7OdajPg

EVEN ON THIS YOU CAN SEE THE FRAG

HAH

[ripe wharf]

Not like they address that in their video about the coating

Didn't even watch it, proceeds to post what they specifically spoke about in the video

[worthy heart]

THIS IS THAT BUILD UP COAT SPARTAN IS TALKIGN ABOUT

[acoustic harbor]

if you stand still, don't supress and play like CoD ofc, also not taking bout stress and shit involved

[worthy heart]

I just showed you the build up coat

[acoustic harbor]

also you alone against 3-5 people will get you killed

[worthy heart]

the copium

hah

remember no amount of build up coat is gonna say that copium

nono guys

[ripe wharf]

Keep coping with your 1 shot ceramic lol

[worthy heart]

the company that sells cheap body armour wont lie

[worthy heart]

you didnt watch the video

[acoustic harbor]

1 shot cermics? this plate stopped 2 rounds on the nearly same spot so stfu

[ripe wharf]

Neither will the random discord people

[worthy heart]

eric shoots multiple rounds into the ceramic

[worthy heart]

then stop coping if your not going to have a argument

[left flax]

Chad ceramic

[worthy heart]

you wanted a argument about shitty steel

[acoustic harbor]

Chad Granit

[ripe wharf]

Coming from the one pulling random bs out of your ass

[worthy heart]

im not

[coral pivot]

Fuck it, I'm just gonna duct tape phone books to my chest and call it a day.

[worthy heart]

your just not looking at the evidence

there are countless test done to prove steel stucks

[ripe wharf]

One dude did something like that as a homemade spall liner, kinda worked

[worthy heart]

you would rather trust a biased source

[coral pivot]

If you trust anyone, you've already fucked up.

[acoustic harbor]

as well as there is a reason most armys switched from titanium and steel to ceramics but those are actually more costly

[worthy heart]

if you trust a company to not lie to you then you fucked up

cause spartan

and ar500

they lie a lot

[coral pivot]

I lie to customers with every breath I take.

[worthy heart]

i try not to

[acoustic harbor]

ar500 kinda cringe

[worthy heart]

if i sell a gun to someone i want them to be happy with it

[ripe wharf]

Not very capitalist of you

[coral pivot]

I have to convince people to buy $1k+ bows, I lie through my teeth.

[worthy heart]

id rather have trust in my customers cause that keeps them coming back

[coral pivot]

Still made a $2k+ yesterday.

[ripe wharf]

[acoustic harbor]

https://youtu.be/DYYlu7V9P6w?t=172 another way to show steel is shit

should I pull up the oldgen korund as well?

[coral pivot]

My customers absolutely love me. I'm honest about what they're getting, I'm lying about what the products are worth.

[worthy heart]

well anyone that trusts steel is stupid

and expecting a cheap company is not going to lie

kinda hard to not assume

like some ar500 tests they claim their using fmj

then you see them load

soft tipped ammo

[low fox]

I smell someone defending steal armor in here

[worthy heart]

betty

[low fox]

Someone defending shit gear

[worthy heart]

they didnt like my argument

nor evidence

they rather trust the source of the company

[low fox]

Wait is maniac the one who said he sold tac gear and swore by steels

[worthy heart]

manic has been asking about armour

[coral pivot]

Yes.

Nice to be remembered.

[worthy heart]

oof

[low fox]

We remember most re res

[coral pivot]

I also admitted that I was wrong.

[low fox]

Lemmie transfer to my laptop. Im loading ammo atm

[worthy heart]

good child

you get a cookie

🍪

[coral pivot]

Awesome.

Fuckin' love cookies.

[worthy heart]

yeah fuck steel

@ripe wharf and fuck this steel loving idiot

[acoustic harbor]

fuck steel embrace boron carbide

[low fox]

hes got in his bio lets go brandon and has a Z Pfp lmao

[worthy heart]

ceramic

just get ceramic

[acoustic harbor]

boron carbide is the best material for ceramics my guy

[low fox]

Or just be me

🧅

[coral pivot]

I'm still not convinced that ceramic is the end all be all of armor.

[low fox]

It is

[left flax]

Actual cringe

[acoustic harbor]

pretty much

[worthy heart]

its the best you can get until they make something better

[coral pivot]

Fair

[low fox]

Anti spall coating and spall bags fail

Alot

[worthy heart]

i showed in the videos

[low fox]

and ceramics can tank multiple hits if they are different segments

just dont get tapped in the same place twice

Or better yet

dont get hit

🧅

[acoustic harbor]

well it is the best material for this shit unless they use diamond but that shits heavy I imagine, the only materials harder than Boron Carbide are Boron Nitride and Diamond

[coral pivot]

That's one thing I've been made aware of recently is the tiled armor.

[low fox]

how

[worthy heart]

i bet spartan armour used 9mm for their test or soft tipped to make it look like it caught the spalling

[low fox]

How the fuck did you sell plates and not know ceramic is tiled

[coral pivot]

Because that was ten years ago?

[worthy heart]

oof

[coral pivot]

Don't get back on your fuckin high horse bud.

[low fox]

we had tiled 10 years ago in point blanks

*12

[coral pivot]

Where they regularly available to the public for a reasonable cost?

[acoustic harbor]

12 years ago tiled armor was standard

[low fox]

yes

[coral pivot]

Must've missed 'em then.

[acoustic harbor]

the time when Granits were first introduced, 2 years later the Glad plates cam out, 2013 i think XSAPIs were released

[low fox]

Must've missed em?

your job was to sell tac plates

how the fuck

[acoustic harbor]

well Civvies were a lil shit back then I could imagine

[low fox]

Not really

if we are talking 2008-09 point blank was cheap-ish

Its the shits that went in the IOTV

[acoustic harbor]

didn't IOTVs use ESAPIs

in general Issued carriers

[low fox]

i can go check mine

[coral pivot]

It was also an online store hustling shit from China, so...

[acoustic harbor]

what were point blanks rated for btw?

[low fox]

III

lemmie check

i have it next to me in the vault

[acoustic harbor]

NIJ 3?

[coral pivot]

What did you mean by tiled plates? We may be talking about different things.

[acoustic harbor]

that ceramics aren't one whole tile

but use singular tiles

[coral pivot]

I'm talking about roughly 2x2 inch squares pressed against each other.

[acoustic harbor]

or Hexagons

[worthy heart]

i mean i shill for liberty suppressor cause i get their stuff at a discount

[acoustic harbor]

depending on plate

and tbh Hexagons are better

[low fox]

Nij 3 or 3+ i think

[acoustic harbor]

when were Point blanks introduced?

[low fox]

These arent point blanks

[acoustic harbor]

oh sry

[low fox]

The one i grabbed fast is tactical armor products from a MFG date of 03

[coral pivot]

Opinion on these Hesco L210 "special threat plates"?

[low fox]

Gamma plus

[acoustic harbor]

so the US and Russia (although Russia had Steels for 2000 to 2013) had similar plate Levels for the most years

[low fox]

cept russia had steels

[acoustic harbor]

except the 6B12-1 and 6B13 yes

those were both ceramics

but were only issued to marines

[low fox]

so its Nij 3

just double checked

[coral pivot]

I just want lasers and deflector shields, those are going to be great conversations of this similar vein.

[low fox]

@acoustic harbor IOTV and IBA had NIJ 3s from what i remember researching

[low fox]

Just get Botach level 4 ceramics

$99 per plate, can take a black tip .308

[burnt tulip]

link, now

[low fox]

https://botach.com/amp/battle-steel-level-4-10x12-armor-plates/

[burnt tulip]

wait they do not ship in Europe right?

[ripe wharf]

Nou, don't forget ur copium pills

[worthy heart]

@ripe wharf I know you are mad that you lost I get it but again sparky sparky boi

Enjoy your cope

[left flax]

Lmfao

[ripe wharf]

Love living rent free in your head

[worthy heart]

Sparky sparky sparky spark spark..... Spark spark

[royal pebble]

that plate shrapnel is gonna be living rent free in your head when u get hit tbh

[worthy heart]

Spark spark sparky sparky sparky sparky spark spark

[worthy heart]

At that point it's open to the public

[mortal quartz]

Yo is tarkov wipijg along with event

[royal pebble]

what an appropriate channel to ask that question in

[mortal quartz]

Sorry but no one responded in general

[modest flame]

Cool

[royal pebble]

so you ask in this one?

[modest flame]

Based Mauserfinger

[mortal quartz]

Bruh

[royal pebble]

i'm just saying

if the game was wiping tomorrow they'd tell you

and half the people here probably dont play tarkov regularly so we wouldnt know any more than you do

[mortal quartz]

True

[modest flame]

Most of us are only here for the guns and gear

[royal pebble]

i havent touched tarkov in months

[low fox]

it doesnt do it's job

not well anyway

there are actual armor steels in service on vehicles and none of them are ar500 steel

[low fox]

mosiac strike faces aren't really common in the US

so most people when they think of a plate just think of one solid tile

and while even monolithic strike face plates technically are little tiles squished together it's not at a distance you can physically see

[royal pebble]

wait a second

who here was buying aliexpress chinese armour plates again?

[low fox]

some euro

[royal pebble]

one shot and that man is g o n e

[low fox]

natural selection

[night rock]

if you do payment plans on armor you probably do payment plans on takeout pizza too

[worthy heart]

Their armor can cost up to 800 dollars

[night rock]

yeah and

doesn't invalidate my point

that if you put a payment plan on something that's supposed to protect your life

you are probably stupid enough to do a payment plan on pizza

[acoustic harbor]

what are mosiac strike faces?

you mean the thing when single smaller plates are pressed together for the ceramic strike face?

[royal pebble]

its a strike face but with a painting of the mona lisa on it

[low fox]

yes

the granit has a mosiac strike face for example

it's not an optimal means of making armor and is as a rule weaker than monolithic strike faces and heavier as well

but some places do i

t

[frigid geyser]

not aliexpress but it was me using chinese made ceramic plate why ?

[royal pebble]

ah i thought it was steel

bc earlier we were talking about steel plates and why they blow arse

[frigid geyser]

steel ? haha

ceramic for the win lol

[royal pebble]

yea there were a lot of steel copers earlier

"nah bro i love dying to plate shrapnel to the face its awesome"

[frigid geyser]

i mean except for long storage, i dont see why steel is so popular

[royal pebble]

is it cheaper?

people like steel because they think ceramic will just shit the bed after one hit

[frigid geyser]

nowadays ceramic's prices is not that much more than steel ngl

but eh well, both have their advantages and disadvantages

it isn't like there isn't armies and law enforcement issuing steel anyhow anyway

[royal pebble]

yeah

[acoustic harbor]

well what I've observed that plate type should boost the multihit capability in the right application, for example the Fort Plates that use SiC Hexagons, you can shoot a bullet of M855A1 just one hexagon away and it will stop, when comparing that to a tile or monolithic design that should be better shouldn't it?

[acoustic harbor]

cries in poor Russian Units and MVD Troops

[night rock]

one would think

[frigid geyser]

and a shit ton of other countries and places... guess they value the storage time more so than other factors

[royal pebble]

i saw one vid of a dead russian soldier who was using two macbooks as an armour plate

theres no gore in the video actually, its just the macbook being shown

ill link it

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/tw3mgh/russian_bulletproof_vest_english_subs/

[acoustic harbor]

here a granit as reference lmao

[royal pebble]

its got yummy bricks inside of it

[frigid geyser]

well, as presumed it is the militias so yeah..

[acoustic harbor]

also that's seperatists