irl-gear

[compact dagger]

at least first time I noticed it

[tough remnant]

B&H sells secure containers apparently

[coarse laurel]

Do you have v1 or v2

[compact dagger]

not really sure

i think its v2

[coarse laurel]

I got mine the other day and the tubes are just fine after stress testing it

I can tell by the side MOLLE being vertical

[low fox]

Really really redundent question

[coarse laurel]

That it’s Gen 2

[low fox]

What u mean by tubes

[compact dagger]

wdym vertical ?

the side ones ?

[coarse laurel]

Yes

[compact dagger]

locking things

[coarse laurel]

For the placard

[compact dagger]

on the sides and shoulder straps

so its locks instead of normal velcro

[compact dagger]

I have v2 then

with verticals

[coarse laurel]

Gotcha

[coarse laurel]

You haven’t gotten your new pair yet?

[compact dagger]

well knowing Agilite it will take like a month for it to arrive here

[coarse laurel]

Also honestly check your tubes of it has cracks on it

[compact dagger]

fucking israel post

[coarse laurel]

Or stress marks

[compact dagger]

none of the other tubes ( besides broken one ) has any cracks

as they shouldn't, since I have used the shoulder ones like 3 times in total

just to show the guys how it works

[low fox]

I just want greyshit to fix payment

[compact dagger]

grayshop doesn't have anything good

[low fox]

Debatable

[compact dagger]

just replicas and other useless shit

never saw anything good there

[low fox]

Mag holders are nice

Gloves

[coarse laurel]

Lol either you got a lemon or there’s something lodged in there

[compact dagger]

got a what

[coarse laurel]

A dud

[compact dagger]

and nothing is lodged in there, except a bit of mud from when I was in germany

[coarse laurel]

Clean that mud off

[compact dagger]

since driving offroad in MRZRs tend to throw a lot of mud on your face and rig

yea i will bring the carrier home some day

[coarse laurel]

I got mud on mine and desert sand on mine and it was fine

I even threw it in the dryer

Hahahah

[compact dagger]

yea I asked support about it

will wait for response for like 3 or 4 days

i had to ask my Israeli friend to message them on my behalf from his email so they would answer

that worked

will be a bummer if the whole carrier is just full of factory defects

because at least you can change cummerbunds, but not the other part of it

even worse with the shoulder locks

[acoustic harbor]

won

if he doesn't ship to me could anyone be my UK middleman

[coarse laurel]

@compact dagger it’s hard to find what your issue is without being there to physically inspect it, even harder without close up pictures of the issue

[compact dagger]

i will try to wash the locks whenever i get the carrier home

sadly I can't take the plates with me just to exercise when im home from work

[trim niche]

how much did it sell for

[acoustic harbor]

I got the jump with 151 gdp

[trim niche]

duuuude that is such a good deal

[acoustic harbor]

less than half

of market value

[trim niche]

nearly a quarter imo

[acoustic harbor]

at least here

190 euro pretty much and one is like 400 here

[trim niche]

worthy purchase

now all that is left is the microphone upgrade

[acoustic harbor]

I don't have friends to comm with currently so I'll leave that on the side

[low fox]

are they issuing medics TAK kits now?

[coarse laurel]

@low fox it’s just a juggernaut case for my phone, I’ve had to use it a lot in Bliss and Korea for maps because our JCR’s do not work

U don’t know how sad of a state most forscom units are when it comes to working JCR’s and JBCP’s

We had to get creative

[low fox]

oh ok

a lot of line units are getting TAK kits

[coarse laurel]

The fisters have em

I also use mine using SITREP and other similar apps so I can mark MGRS coordinates for AXP (ambulance exchange points) and for the medevac choppers

[low fox]

be careful with that

using personal phones on DoD networks can be real bad news

doubt anybody's gonna be a bitch and rat but

thing might get spicy if somebody does

[coarse laurel]

No it’s not tied to DOD networks

It’s just a map with a google map satellite overlay with MGRS

I mark it and I can send it to my MEDO as well

[low fox]

oh ok

[jaunty sage]

I need a drip check

[acoustic harbor]

yes

whatchu got

[night rock]

Post your drip

[jaunty sage]

I have none I was asking for others to post theirs

I am not dripworthy

[mossy obsidian]

You are, I’m afraid.. dripless

[left flax]

My drip

I'm the left one ofc

[acoustic harbor]

the knee protection 👍

[left flax]

Told you I have pads

[acoustic harbor]

but why Pants not in boots?

or do you have just higher shoes

and god damn that furry gives me nightmares

[left flax]

Too thick, Ana tac softshell pants trousers

[acoustic harbor]

ah

[left flax]

They are comfy as hell though

Gonna get proper summer clothing soon though so I can actually tuck

[compact dagger]

hmm, thinking about taking my plate carrier with plates back home so i can just go for a run in that stuff

to get used to it

and so i can calibrate it properly

[left flax]

getting an entire ratnik loadout this week

already got the helmet, getting the rest. patches included

literally all i would need to finish it off would be an ak74m

[jaunty sage]

Can I have it

A donation since I have really shit gear

[left flax]

n o
i have wanted ratnik for so long

if you are in scotland i have a plate carrier you can have

[jaunty sage]

Can you jus buy me a nice black plate carrier

I’m poor

[left flax]

i am too

[jaunty sage]

I don’t have a job

[left flax]

but i have sourced a deal for ratnik, and i must pounce

[left flax]

i hav job

and not a well paying one

[jaunty sage]

So like what kind of plate carrier is it?

The one you spoke of

I assume it’s not black but I’m still curious

[left flax]

tan, LBT, forgot the name of the model tho

[jaunty sage]

I’m running a black kit because I hate the look of tan/camo

[left flax]

i hate black alot, used it when i first started airsoft. didnt blend in with anything

[jaunty sage]

I don’t care about blending in

I just want to look good

Tan looks stupid

I can’t stand tan gear

Green and black are good

But tan is so ugly to me

I don’t even know why I hate tan so much

[left flax]

i dont like tan either

but i couldnt find any decent green or ATACs PCs

but i got the tan one for free so i took it

[jaunty sage]

Hmm

[acoustic harbor]

damn

but don't say it's greyshop

[jaunty sage]

It’s hit the point where I hate tan so much I can’t take anyone seriously if they are wearing it anymore

[acoustic harbor]

please

[left flax]

its not

[acoustic harbor]

so og 6B45 n stuff?

[left flax]

nah its greyshop lol

jk

[acoustic harbor]

ahhhh

[left flax]

2014 stuff i think

[acoustic harbor]

6B45 was introduced in 2014 lol

but if it's 6B23, 6B7-1M and Yudashkin it's pre Ratnik

[left flax]

yah ik lol thats why i said it. i see i look dumb tho

[acoustic harbor]

6B47s were issued in very small numbers between 14 and 16

[left flax]

is that the weird high cut 6B45 thing

[acoustic harbor]

what

[left flax]

oh wait nvm

im dumb fuck

i have a 6b47 and i sadi that wtf

was thinking of this for some reason

[acoustic harbor]

also I hope you got a BTK Group Uniform

AHHH NOT THE ABOMINATION

God 6b46s are awful

you'll be laughed at, fr if you get a 6B46

and there are enough reenactors in the uk

[left flax]

i think they are funky

[acoustic harbor]

They look funky maybe, but 1st they aren't used, 2nd have the most shitty design, and 3rd are uncomfortable as fuck

I don't know a single person in the russian gear scene that likes them

[left flax]

yeah probably dogshit

but the funni factor redeems

[acoustic harbor]

also I hope for you you get a OldGen 6B45

the Newgen ones are a little shit because not seen as much and universaly hated

[left flax]

It's probs an old

[acoustic harbor]

Only units that use them a lot are VDV on parades or the 15th seperate Motorriflrs the newgen ones

and I hope yoi get oldgen pouches

because they completely abandoned the 2AK + ROP Pouch in the newgen ones

and that one also has an extra slot for a Bayonet

[left flax]

Tbf im not sure if it's old or not, will find out when I get it

[compact dagger]

a genuine helmet or some replica shit ?

[left flax]

Genuine

[compact dagger]

nice

at least not waste of money

[left flax]

I got 2 genuine covers and a mordor cover too

[left flax]

Well it was expensive, but defo not a waste. I love it

[compact dagger]

if someone buys replicas they should get the paddle

just wasting money

[left flax]

I'm not bothered about real vs replicas tbh. If it looks cool, I'll wear it. That's how I operate

[low fox]

see i dont believe in helmets or armor so repros work for me

[compact dagger]

🤢

genuine or nothing

[left flax]

Oh I also got real 6b50 too, love them

Came free with my b47

Quick question if anyone knows about 6b47 covers

What's the inside flap thing for, the bit with the writing on it

[acoustic harbor]

ear covering for the winter

and show me the whole writing

[acoustic harbor]

cringe

[low fox]

🧅

[left flax]

ah gotcha

it says BMO

vdv shit i think

[acoustic harbor]

BMO stands for the one vehicle that transports RPO ans RPO-A flmethrower systems

but I doubt it's that

but could be

[left flax]

Is it anything interesting?

[acoustic harbor]

ir ist VMO?

B is the russian V

[left flax]

Aah

[acoustic harbor]

or is it БМО

[left flax]

It's a B on the cover

[acoustic harbor]

Marines

it's a marine helmet

it seems

[left flax]

Oooh cool

It was from Camden btw

[acoustic harbor]

VMO is the shortage for Marine district

[acoustic harbor]

nice, 175 USD i guess?

[left flax]

Around that, I bought it from my mate who got it from Camden

[acoustic harbor]

ah

but lucky find on that covrr

I think he also sold a 6B43 some time ago where the writing of a Mountain Brigade was on kt

[left flax]

Pretty awesome shit

[acoustic harbor]

But could also mean logistics

but I doubt that

взвод материального обеспечения

военно-морское отделение that would mean marines

[left flax]

Swagg

Tbh didn't know the BMO thing was that significant, ig it adds value?

[acoustic harbor]

dunno

Most people just think it's some extra, but the righr people will probably pay more

I personally would pay more for something like that

but like for a Motostrelki one

[left flax]

I don't really know a whole lot for it to be something I would actively go for, but it's a cool bonus nonetheless

[mossy obsidian]

🧅

[jaunty sage]

[modest flame]

Got a gp5 today

[modest flame]

😘

[acoustic harbor]

have fun with asbestos poisoning

why can't like, people be normal and Not buy a fucking GP 5

there are so many better options like the PMK series

[modest flame]

It was free

You monkey

[echo jay]

monke

[modest flame]

Literally was a gift. Mother got it for me from a garage sale

[acoustic harbor]

ah

[modest flame]

$10

[acoustic harbor]

that should be the price GP 5s are going for

shit masks

[modest flame]

I just think it looks funny

So I like it

[acoustic harbor]

I have seen it in too many shit slavaboo memes

[dusty fiber]

true

average boris 10yo viewerbase

[acoustic harbor]

fr fr

[left flax]

Fuck the gp5

I want the pmk3

[acoustic harbor]

chad

[dusty fiber]

Forsheda enjoyer

[left flax]

🙏

[compact dagger]

@coarse laurel so yea, i recon the problem was the mud/sand in the tubes, because when I forced them open and spit some water in, now they open more or less fine

[coarse laurel]

There you go

[compact dagger]

i guess I need to add that to our fixing manual

If you need something to not move then use zipties

if you need it to move then just spit and rub

for shooting it's usually just " use more lube "

[low fox]

I got a gp-5 from someone who didnt want it anymore and goddamn that thing hurts to put on if you have any hair at all

[tall aspen]

small price to pay for scav drip

[modest flame]

@low fox I have very long hair and mine don't hurt

My hair goes passed my titties

[low fox]

It feels like im being scalped by the rubber idk about you

[dusty fiber]

nah, it comfortable

jk

forsheda and ct12 best masks

(in terms of comfortability)

[low fox]

nah, shalon is the most comfortable

[dusty fiber]

please die yourself

[low fox]

everyone knows the truth

shalon also looks cool

[dusty fiber]

gp5 but israeli

[low fox]

gp5 but not a rubber piece of trash

[dusty fiber]

same energy

[low fox]

still rubber, just not, bad...

[dusty fiber]

shit mask

[low fox]

gp5 users buying adapters to make their gas mask not expired garbage

[dusty fiber]

for god's sake dont use shalon mask seriously

buy actual good shit

[low fox]

i said comfortable not safe, im not getting gassed any time soon ill be fine

im a collector not a larper

[dusty fiber]

try the forsheda

fr

most comfy

[dusty fiber]

neither am i, but pp5 shit cum mask people are weird

[low fox]

the only masks i have are jna m1, shalon, us civilian mask from ww2, m 75 and a ledermaske replica and a kriegsman mask lmao

i dont actually plan on using them to protect myself

oh yeah and i have a gp5

but its stored away in its bag somewhere

alongside one of those childrens gas masks'

[dusty fiber]

i have an US MCU 2A/P, MP4, gp5, gp7, m6-87, mc1, m40 and a sealed FRR and M9A1

[low fox]

i mainly collect helmets but usually in that pursuit many gas masks fall into my hands

[dusty fiber]

i just spend my savings in military stuff because i dont have any social relationships

[low fox]

welcome to the club

[dusty fiber]

🥲

[low fox]

so down bad i photoshop myself with clones of myself for reenactment images

[dusty fiber]

i go with nvg's at nighttime and i act stalker mode on people so i can scare them

pretty fun

at least people take it as a joke

im lucky noone called police

they just laugh it off

[dusty fiber]

where

me want

[jagged moss]

knifepoint.co

[coarse laurel]

Fuckin people here be like https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785913752204738614/956044395105378314/Screenshot_20220323-000624_Facebook.jpg

[compact dagger]

Man I'm just forced to be like that

Have to carry fucking 8 mags

[solid dust]

imagine those are loaded

[vestal pond]

That's EFT gear customization when it will be out

[acoustic harbor]

perfect amount

[left flax]

Azimut rig

[compact dagger]

Meh, I hate that I have to have double pouches for it

And can't put another triplet on front otherwise it's painful to go prone for long periods of time

[distant crow]

portable defibrillator from tarkov omg

i cant believe they copied it irl

tarkov has such an impact in the world

[acoustic harbor]

Double pouches are rad, especially when flapped, SRVV makes dope ones with a quick silent buckle and some shockcord around to keep the mags even with open pouch

[left flax]

Can confirm I had one for like 2 weeks

Wasn't even mine

Don't remember which one, but it was nicey

[acoustic harbor]

QCBox better than teh QBox imho

i hate wheb there is some opening for dust

[left flax]

I just like what works tbf, I prefer open pouch purely for convinience

[acoustic harbor]

Imagine not carrying as much mags as this guy

should be like 8-12 minimum

[left flax]

Didn't that guy die

In 2016 or something

[compact dagger]

that's what

like 8 mags

if the chest ones aren't double

[compact dagger]

wdym with "when flapped" ?

the middle barrier thingy

[acoustic harbor]

2019, 31. Jan

[left flax]

Ah close enough

[acoustic harbor]

when they have an upper flap that closes them, closed type pouches

[acoustic harbor]

Chests are doubles

[compact dagger]

looks single

like I do

[left flax]

💀

[compact dagger]

idk I disliked the issued flapped ones

because they are secured with hook and button

[compact dagger]

hard af to use either whenever it has only 1 mag in

[left flax]

Oh hey im getting those with my 6b45, I think

[acoustic harbor]

6B45 has different pouches

they use velcro and a button

but I'll maybe get some of the SRVV ones for my Gladiator i'm finally getting

It's a Grey C, not a Multicam one like I planned so it's a lil harder finding the right pouches that amtch

[left flax]

Nvm the mag pouches in getting are just standard army shit

[compact dagger]

can of spraypaint fixes issues like that

[acoustic harbor]

I'm definetly not spraying a Vest I'm paying 1.7k for alone without plates

[left flax]

Oh Donut

[acoustic harbor]

Because Plate shipments got fucked

[left flax]

There's a dude selling a real emerald D2 for 450, soft and hard inserts but no plates, all pouches
Not gonna buy, but that a good deal or nah

[acoustic harbor]

YES

Emeral covers are like 250-300 bucks with 180 for soft

[left flax]

Ooft

That's it there

[acoustic harbor]

COP IT

[left flax]

im buying ratnik, none money

I've sent it to a mate who might buy it instead, although he already bought an emerald

[acoustic harbor]

here a lil preview, 1.7k is a pretty good price, the pouches could be better tho, the VAL shingles don't have molle on them

Could do drip USO Kit

the boys

should be about 2015

still not sure if I should do like, MC Uniform or Black one

[left flax]

I just can't wait for my emr stuff

Getting the whole set

[acoustic harbor]

👍

even if it's a replica it's a start

[left flax]

I think it's just the uniform repro tbh

But that can be replaced if I want original

[young lantern]

might wanna delete, admins might now like that

[acoustic harbor]

It's kit posting

[young lantern]

yes but mentioning certain areas can be soft spots for some admins ;)

js

[low fox]

L

[left flax]

Tf is that stock on the gun

Looks like a skeleton thing but it's prolly just the pic quality

[acoustic harbor]

GL Core? one of the most common stocks used by AK operators

It's literally on the Tarkov artwork lmao

[left flax]

Ah nvm

[young lantern]

Ive already gotten a one week mute for accidentally having it up 😂

[solemn vault]

Kinda hot

[acoustic harbor]

Gruppa 99 made a better type PC

the full set kinda hot tbh

[left flax]

Looks heavy

[acoustic harbor]

it is

especially with the shit plates they sell with em

I think they are steel

but most people don't use the arms, maybe the shoulders

[left flax]

I'd rather have lighter gear so I can schmoove better

[acoustic harbor]

most use it in a Glad esq. Setup

like this

just groin and neck

and Belt

iirc 715 Team has some of them

[left flax]

Still looks too chonker for me

[acoustic harbor]

weigh like

13 kilos on the g99 mrs with plates

9-10 on the glad with plates

but yeah definetly chonkier than regular PCs

[left flax]

Wonder how much the 6b45 will be

[acoustic harbor]

around 8 with 5As

vest alone is line 3-3.5kg

5A plates are 2.5 a piece

6As are 3

[left flax]

Ah that's fine

It'll be fake granit plates :( so like 3kg each I think

Getting real plates on Scotland is a pain in the ass

[acoustic harbor]

makets are 5A ANALOGS

so they will be 2.5

[left flax]

Ah

Tbh I'll probably end up buying real plates at some point anyway

[acoustic harbor]

I got my new 2019 Prod. 45 with 5As for like 400 bucks

[vestal pond]

dam big boy

heavy PC with extra panels and visor helmets are 💯

[acoustic harbor]

Visor helmets are meh

the neck can't uphold that much weight as the core muscles, so It gets way more uncomfortable after some time

Like I wouldn't Imagine using a K6-3 for more than storming a building

ZSh, I dunno it is at least lighter

and there are still like Visors for lighter helmets so that could be a good idea

only problem would be no access to the NVG mount or the helmet needing extra weight for balance

[visual rune]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOnT7mOXEAMp6cj?format=jpg&name=medium

[acoustic harbor]

silent buckle pouches 🤙

[visual rune]

interesting

[acoustic harbor]

that's either GRU or SSO

or better equipped VDV

[visual rune]

look at the guns

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOnT7mPWYAAo_qT?format=jpg&name=medium

whistles

[acoustic harbor]

Ars Arma PC

[acoustic harbor]

VSK 94 damn

[visual rune]

very interesting

[acoustic harbor]

Ukrop captured that?

[visual rune]

unsure

ostensibly

[acoustic harbor]

definetly russian guys most probably 45th VDV because of the abundance of Army issued pouches

[visual rune]

most modernish stuff i've seen though

so it's someone spooky

[acoustic harbor]

SSO and FSB have more drippier shit

[visual rune]

you saw this?

this one too

[acoustic harbor]

some of the fsb guys spotted

[visual rune]

the SOBR guys had pretty good kit but

not kit for warfighting

[acoustic harbor]

chinese thermal iirc

[acoustic harbor]

nothing new, SOBR is a police force

[acoustic harbor]

yeah that one isn't nothing new as well

[zinc apex]

Based fsb

[orchid swan]

Nice KGB analysis there

[low fox]

based special fertilizer

[zinc apex]

L Ukraine supporter

[barren kettle]

sunflower seeds

[left flax]

The only L being taken are the rusfor getting schwacked

[acoustic harbor]

not really

Ukrainian propaganda is more misleading than you think

both sides take losses but the ukrainians, especially the 469th Reddit Legion are getting fucked up

[left flax]

As are the Russians

You'd think the 2nd best military in the world could conquer Ukraine lol

[acoustic harbor]

they can

Ukraine is literally fighting with fucking shit agian they had back in 2014

and that is effectively chechen war reenactment

they are using everythink and the kitchen sink

the ukrainians can only hold back the russians cuz of the equipment they were given like Javs and NLAWs also the TB 2 Bayraktars

[left flax]

Fair nuff

[acoustic harbor]

also the whole muh WW1 kit shit are literally seperarists

and those are drunk like 70% of the time

and have little to no military training

Somali and Sparta were pretty gud tho

[left flax]

Fucking love the image of the ww1 machine gun in the little flatbed

[zinc apex]

cringe Ukrainian propaganda listener

[left flax]

Thus

[left flax]

Cry about it

[zinc apex]

they dead ass make videos in arma

and call them combat footage

[left flax]

Tbf still combat footage technically

[zinc apex]

and take videos of russians in the middle east and call them theres

not at all becuase there counting it as reallife lul

[left flax]

Still funny asf tho

DCS n shit

[zinc apex]

whats funny is that the Ukraine is using civs as shields

[left flax]

And Russia is using underage conscripts are they not

[acoustic harbor]

doubt

most conscripts are 18-20

some are older

[left flax]

It was a question lol

[acoustic harbor]

they wouldn't do it

conscription is mandatory at the age of 18

not sooner

[left flax]

Kinda cringe

Should lower it to 14

🙏

[acoustic harbor]

do you have braindamage?

[left flax]

Yes

I bought from greyshop once

[acoustic harbor]

same

obly really reliable seller of some russian stuff

especially wartech

[left flax]

And Ana

Love my Ana stuff

Not sure if I want a wartech now, I've got too much stuff

[low fox]

its a W for me

win or lose

russians die

and that's a W in my book

actually

this is the biggest W imaginable

free exposure to russian PSYOP doctrine, combat doctrine, and equipment

a wealth of captured military systems to send back to us to dissect

[left flax]

Lmao

[low fox]

oh yeah

[left flax]

Personally not a fan of Russians or ukranians dying but still a w

[low fox]

validation that ALL of our weapon systems work against modern russian military systems

they showed their asses to us, spread open

though i do have sympathy for those who genuinely dont want to commit atrocities

[barren kettle]

russian ship go sink

[sacred barn]

is this worthy of gaming with?

[normal nest]

Yes

[left flax]

Pewdiepie chair :(

[zinc apex]

the only ones doing atrocities are ukraine lmaoo

your a cringe western 13 yearold

[low fox]

you know we have ISR feed

right

like

i feel like you think that nobody has intelligence bodies watching closely

[zinc apex]

so you think russia is just a bunch of nazis and Ukrainians are the best people on earth because fox news tells you so

[acoustic harbor]

wow that's nothing new for the guys with BY FAR the highest military spending

[acoustic harbor]

both are pretty much shit, just ones supported by everyone and the other by only a few

Kinda funni that they completely ignored the Donbass being bombed for 8 years straight

[zinc apex]

exactly

[acoustic harbor]

also there are enough pics and videos of russians commiting warcrimes

well they at least try to save the civvies that are left

afaik Military Police and shit were sent for humanitarian actions

[left flax]

Literally was watching a docu about crimea and donbass airport etc a day before the invasion, freaked me the fuck out lol

Was the vice one, when vice was good

Russian roulette the docu was called

[acoustic harbor]

the actual good vice documentation

[left flax]

Fr

[acoustic harbor]

but Arte made a good one because they were like one of the only ones reporting from the Sep side

[zinc apex]

every militarys does war crimes but the west makes it seem worse well ukraine has been doing them in donbass for 8 years

[acoustic harbor]

pretty much

[low fox]

i dont need news channels

again

i have access to ISR feeds

[acoustic harbor]

ISR?

[low fox]

straight from our big boys

and not just those

but intelligence reports as well

[low fox]

read "drones"

[zinc apex]

the government??? lmaooo

[acoustic harbor]

ah

[zinc apex]

you trust them?

your sad

[low fox]

"you trust what you're seeing with your own eyes?"

"you're sad"

[left flax]

You trust yours?

All governments are lying tbf

[acoustic harbor]

no government can be trusted but tbh the footage that is sent by drones is pretty accurate i think

[low fox]

"this real time footage that we have taken is doctored bro!"

[acoustic harbor]

and the russians and ukrainians aren't hard to tell apart

[low fox]

its okay

east bloc chaff is common

[acoustic harbor]

the problem is, we guys without government intel have to fight it out between two propaganda machines

to see the real picture

[low fox]

unlike this poor delusional fellow seems to think

for me, and for my organization

this is the best information on modern enemy capabilities we've ever had

nothing more

nothing less

keep crying about goOd anD bAD gUyS

[sterile vortex]

Imagine thinking Russia is "our enemy"

[low fox]

i don't think i could care literally any less

[low fox]

they are

that's why we killed them

you know, syria and all that

[sterile vortex]

Politicians are, not Russians lol

[low fox]

i mean ok

but we killed them

🤷‍♂️

[sterile vortex]

Kill politicians? Based

[low fox]

nah

[acoustic harbor]

Well it isn't new that the russians only excell in maybe Artillery and Bodyarmor technology if they had the funds, being the Glads exist since like 2013

[low fox]

just russian spooks

we hit them with a ton of shit

LMAO

every bomber, artillery piece, and multi role aircraft in the AO came just to blow up some russians

shit was gnarly dude

[sterile vortex]

Idk man Russian rocket arty is better than ours and pretty sure their missles are also pretty top gear

[low fox]

they got glassed

seeing as we don't really use rocket artillery

i'd hope so

[zinc apex]

lmaoo

your so cringe

[low fox]

our only rocket artillery system is the MLRS

MRLS?

i dunno

[zinc apex]

and dont say "we"

[low fox]

not artillery

[zinc apex]

you didnt kill anyone bud

[acoustic harbor]

Multi Rocket Launcher System

MRLS

[low fox]

your borscht eating friends are mist bud

rage

[acoustic harbor]

BM 21 and 27s are the most famous russian ones

[low fox]

every fucker within 20 miles wanted a piece

[left flax]

this

[low fox]

and they got them

[acoustic harbor]

then like TOS 1A is a pretty boy

[low fox]

you can do all the name calling you want

[acoustic harbor]

didn't the russians and US cooperate down there? you were fighting both against ISIS

[low fox]

not gonna turn those spooks back into whole chunks

[low fox]

no

they were explicitly told not to

[sterile vortex]

Idk man comparing armies is kinda dumb since our doctrines are so far apart. In a war of total destruction (nukes out of the equation), Russians would prob have the upper hand

[low fox]

russia was supporting the assad regime

[acoustic harbor]

yes

[low fox]

L

O

L

dide

you are regurgitating the same crap

that analsyts have been for the last 30 years

then russia set foot in ukraine, and we realized how wrong we were

we are literally seeing it first hand with our own eyes

[acoustic harbor]

but they were still fighting against ISIS, there is a whole PMC called "ISIS Killers", most SSO operatives fought against ISIS

some died

RIP Maksim Pletnev

[low fox]

yeah, they were fighting ISIS, but the assad regime was a regime we were actively trying to remove

and one they were supporting

[sterile vortex]

Lol okay dude. America has been gearing up for cleanups and sweepings that are more precise since vietnam while russians is all about destroying a wide target as quickly as possible hence rocket arty

[acoustic harbor]

also Russia made extensive use of MP down there, for humanitarian purposes

[low fox]

cope harder

ukraine barely has counter artillery battery systems and they're capturing them left and right

and you think we're not going to glass them the moment they fire a missle

[acoustic harbor]

Russia wouldn't live up to the US in funding alone, technology would be there in some sectors

[low fox]

you are deluding yourself

[acoustic harbor]

the SU 57 seems promising

[low fox]

russian aircraft getting swatted out of the way by stingers

when not only do we have stingers

[acoustic harbor]

just to note, I wouldn't underestimate Russia, not in the slightest, they won't probably win but they can do significant damage

[low fox]

but entire companies stacked with air defense systems

[low fox]

anyone can do damage

not difficult

damage is not a metric of victory

but you've gotta understand

until well, the last 3 weeks

[sterile vortex]

I mean sure but the US doesn't have an army geared towards strategic annihilation. Russians are a whole lot more mobile and have a whole lot more weapon systems that can raise a city (excluding missles)

[low fox]

sure we dont

[acoustic harbor]

but total destruction is stupid

[low fox]

oh he who is a professional on us doctrine

[sterile vortex]

I mean that's the russian doctrine for war

[low fox]

tell me what our army is geared towards

im curious

[acoustic harbor]

if you can't even use the road for your supply routes how do you advance effectively then?

[sterile vortex]

Lol best suited for pin point operations/strategic destruction

[low fox]

can you explain the doctrinal difference between strategic destruction and annihilation

[sterile vortex]

That's what the US has been doing for decades bruh

[low fox]

since those two words are totally not synonyms

[acoustic harbor]

you gotta note too that what is going on in Ukraine wouldn't be like the Soviets trained to do, this shit is worse than chechnya, I think currently generals just do as putin tells them too afraid of being off'd

[low fox]

that is a failure in itself

doesnt matter what they trained for

[acoustic harbor]

I didn't say it wasn't

it's embarrasing tbh

[low fox]

its not just gonna get better on its own lol

they showed their asses

and everyone is bearing witness to the truth

im still waiting for the doctrinal difference between strategically destroying something vs annihilating it

[sterile vortex]

Just saying one is a hammer (US) while the other a sledgehammer (Russia). If they were to operate at full capacity I don't think there'd be much left of Ukraine.

[low fox]

?

that is the dumbest thing i've read today

do you even know the difference between what a sledgehammer is used for vs a hammer

[acoustic harbor]

About that I heard that russia also has a hard time at this war cuz they aren't set up for a "carefull" war, I'm not an expert on russian doctrine by far but it could be kinda true

[sterile vortex]

Okay buddy. Just saying the way the American army has been operating vs how the Russian army has been training that there's a clear difference in intent.

[low fox]

yeah there's a clear difference

we don't get slaughtered when we go to war

[sterile vortex]

You do though

[low fox]

?

you lost more people in 3 weeks than we did in 20 years

[sterile vortex]

I lost?

[low fox]

oh you're not a russian, just a tanky?

nvm

russia lost more people in 3 weeks than we did in 20 years

lol'd

[acoustic harbor]

wasn't the casualties in the US afghanistan war like 3.5k?

[low fox]

just around 4

afghanistan AND iraq

btw

[acoustic harbor]

what is a impressively small quantity to note

[low fox]

you think he wants to know how the last 5 wars before that went?

[acoustic harbor]

Give him all you want

[low fox]

hell yeah, history time

[acoustic harbor]

My Russian supporting ass on this war the whole time

Zelenskys steel balls are just too mighty

[low fox]

grenada

dub

4 days

19 deaths

[mossy obsidian]

You said a year ago that the US would whip chinas a$$ in a fight because we are better at war than them, and have been fighting for decades.

The CF that has been Russia’s invasion has shown me how important that experience is

[low fox]

panama

dub

like 1 year

23 deaths

gulf war

dub

1 year

292 deaths

want me to keep going?

there's way more than that

[acoustic harbor]

well the Vietnam war was bloody and had a lot of casualties

but lemme check smth real quick

[low fox]

yeah but even then

we slaughtered probably like 4 times the amount of NVA and VC

lmao

vietnam was the last US war where there was a fatality count that massive

[acoustic harbor]

damn The current war nearly has reached the amount of deaths of the whole soviet afghan war if we believe the 12k casualties that are thrown around

[low fox]

even if it's only half that

[sterile vortex]

Very oversimplified analysis since you haven't taken into account the fact that after those initial invasions you have loads of injuries casualties and that American units turn into peacekeepers hence fighting insurgency (which is why your doctrines isn't so much about war fighting but actually suppression)

[low fox]

it's almost as much as the last 5 wars COMBINED

what?

is this dude a sped?

the only time we remained in a country as "peacekeepers" in recent memory was afghanistan/iraq

[acoustic harbor]

Well I think the reason of casualties is also the reliency on Conscripts

[low fox]

every other time it was just us invading people, fucking them up and leaving

LMAO

the cope

oh god the cope

[low fox]

L M A O

dude

you are the DUMBEST fucker i have EVER met

[acoustic harbor]

this is kinda entertaining 🍿

[low fox]

this dude thinks

that because we decided to stay in afghanistan

that our doctrine is about "sUPpReSsIoN"

[sterile vortex]

It is but okay.

[low fox]

are you in the US army

have you ever set foot in it in your life

have you ever deployed with it

have you ever even opened up a book about the strategic mission of the us army

"no"

[acoustic harbor]

well you could've made it easy and not support the mujahds back in 1979 to 1989, no afghanistan

[low fox]

true

[acoustic harbor]

and probably a working not terrorist government

even if it is soviet or communist

[low fox]

someone decided it was worth it at the time

alas

it was not

[acoustic harbor]

thanks that you agree, one of the first people from the US that agrees on that fact

[low fox]

it absolutely was not worth it

it was a colossal waste of time and resources

afghans do not want to be westernized

they never have

our planners tried to tell the presidents this time and time again

but raytheon contracts are more compelling than what some intel analyst says

you see, what the idiot talking about "destruction vs annihilation" doesnt get

[sterile vortex]

So ig all those soldiers just died to enemy soldiers marked with clear uniforms rather than insurgents (also dubbed terrorists) who infiltrated the public

[low fox]

what a weird way of saying "no"

[barren kettle]

what 🤣

[low fox]

you know that you only need 2 letters to type the word "no"

right?

i feel like if you knew that, you would have just said no

[sterile vortex]

You're comparing war stats when they are two different enemies

[low fox]

the enemy is either alive or he is dead

simple as

[sterile vortex]

America's "war" was literally peacekeeping and supression

[low fox]

?

how did we get into iraq

and Afghanistan for that matter

did we just walk there and ask them to let us in?

im curius

curious*

clearly we did right

?

[sterile vortex]

Though they fought Saddam's army, most of it was suppression after the threat was gone

[low fox]

its a yes or no question monkey

[sterile vortex]

Majority of it was suppression. You're acting all those years was just complete warfare. That's just dishonest

[low fox]

i could not care less about your shitbrained answers to escape a direct answer

it is a yes or no question

did we invade iraq to enter it

or not

if you type more than a 3 letter answer, you are proving my point because you are a complete and utter monkey

[barren kettle]

you act like doctrine isn’t allowed to change based on the situation

[acoustic harbor]

yes and they even gave you some welcoming cake 👍

[low fox]

no don't tell him that

his head will burst

he thinks that an army can only do one thing

even if it isn't directly in line with its doctrine

watcj

he's gonna prove he can't read by giving more than a 3 letter answer

Did we invade iraq Y/N

[sterile vortex]

Doctrines change, sure. But america's better suited for suppression

[low fox]

look

he's dodging the question

he is just UNABLE to answer

this is what we like to call an ego friends

a man who REFUSES to admit that he's wrong

[sterile vortex]

Americans did invade I already mentioned that. But there's other factors than "american victory"

[low fox]

?

no there isn't

you win or you lose

[acoustic harbor]

yes and didn't you pull it off flawlessly by gaining instant air superiority?

[low fox]

yeah

we fucked them sideways

we fucked them so badly that they did what russians are doing now

[acoustic harbor]

as expected

[low fox]

abandoning their vehicles in the middle of nowhere and running away

same shit happened in afghanistan

[acoustic harbor]

I think that's more of a No fuel problem

Supply is fucked af

[low fox]

yeah but have you seen all the ones that not only have fuel

[mossy obsidian]

That’s just because the Iraqis didn’t have “the ghost of Baghdad”

[low fox]

but are fully loaded and armed?

that are just abandoned?

[acoustic harbor]

the fuck

[low fox]

yeah there's plenty of those

when we went into iraq

we told the iraqis

"if you want to surrender, turn the turrets of your tanks to the rear and we'll let you live, go home to your families"

you best believe they hopped the fuck out and took off

[acoustic harbor]

I just HAVE to doubt that would Kontraktniks do, call it copeing on my end but I just cannot

[sterile vortex]

1. They had shit morale and desertion was drastic. Much like how the standing army that was supposed to defend against isis just ran away.
2. Their army was a fucking joke with old technology that wasn't on par to modern technology
3. There had been in conflict before

[low fox]

?

iraq at the time was one of the most modern armies in the world

LMAO

cope harder

[acoustic harbor]

fr?

[low fox]

yeah

[mossy obsidian]

There was an atleast one entire division that surrendered itself in the early stages

[low fox]

iraq was pretty high up there

[mossy obsidian]

Iirc

[low fox]

they weren't even close to being on part with the US

par*

but they were significantly further ahead than most of the world

[acoustic harbor]

probably conscripts or just guys that were smart enough to want to live

[sterile vortex]

No it really wasn't lmao their army was not modern. Their "modern tanks" lacked modern technology and even their targeting systems didn't exist on those rust buckets

[acoustic harbor]

didn't they have shitty T72As? or some sort od soveit run of the mill tank?

[low fox]

you know what?

[sterile vortex]

Thermals? Cold war tech

[low fox]

you're a monkey, and wasting any futher time on a monkey is a waste of my own time

you know so little about history and doctrine that it's literally not even worth speaking to you

like its insane

[sterile vortex]

You act like you fought an actual threat lmfao. The true threath was among the public. Partisans (aka terrorists)

[low fox]

yawn

cope

[acoustic harbor]

come on, let it be, just accept you're in the wrong here

[low fox]

bro

you know what i just realized

i just wasted like 45 minutes talking to a furry

[acoustic harbor]

Damn now you know how my life has been going with all that free time

[low fox]

why are furries all either tankies, or smoothbrain mutts

[sterile vortex]

The stats don't show the quality of a "good army". It was a terrible army that had some crazy desertion rates from the start.

[low fox]

like what drives these people to become tankies

i dont understand

[acoustic harbor]

Well there is a reason why some ppl, like me, want to eradicate them

[low fox]

can you shut up? im trying to tell donut why you're an idiot

you are a waste of energy and time

google is free

this information is open source

[sterile vortex]

And you should start using it

[acoustic harbor]

you don't need to, i can imagien, even If i don't know a lot about the US doctrine and war history

[low fox]

sure sure furry

so anyway

i've only met one furry in my life i've ever had an educated discussion with

one

[mossy obsidian]

Hey, this guy is a milsim enthusiast. He knows his stuff

[low fox]

dude was a furry, but he knew his shit

[mossy obsidian]

😂

[acoustic harbor]

well there are always golden sheep in the flock

if i can put it like that

[low fox]

russia getting dicked down in real time with video and photographic evidence

"nuh uh, no they didnt, theyd fuck up the US bro, trust"

[acoustic harbor]

come on don't make it worse for me as It already is

[low fox]

"To deploy, fight, and win our Nation's wars by providing ready, prompt, and sustained land dominance by Army forces across the full spectrum of conflict as part of the Joint Force."

that is the doctrinal mission of the US army

[jaunty sage]

Mid

[low fox]

dude's in here talking about peacekeeping

kek

[barren kettle]

what’s sad is the original guy saying stupid shit backed out so quickly 😭

[acoustic harbor]

isn't peacekeeping a whole different doctrine typa stuff?

[mossy obsidian]

Yeah Blake

[low fox]

yes

[jaunty sage]

Who are we bullying?

[low fox]

originally the US army knew nothing about peacekeeping

we learned over the course of time how to conduct COIN and that kind of mission

[mossy obsidian]

Poor furry picked up where the other guy was smart enough to bail out

[low fox]

yeah

i gave him an out by telling him he's a monkey and ignoring him

and so he took it and left

i would

[barren kettle]

😂

[low fox]

oh no

[jaunty sage]

Wait did a furry say something dumb?

[low fox]

he has returned in defiance to tell us how we're all wrong and he's right

the ego

god the ego

the last word must be his even though he is wrong

or he will perish

[acoustic harbor]

at least he has the ego to contiue that long to talk bullshit, you gotra give him that

[low fox]

yeah but those people are usually mentally ill

[acoustic harbor]

even if he has a smooth apebrai

[barren kettle]

it’s like that guy who sold body armor 100 years ago, mfer wouldn’t quit

[acoustic harbor]

?

bodyarmor in the 20s?

[low fox]

some dude talking about how steel armor was better for anything than stopping frag

[barren kettle]

i can’t remember his name but him lmt had a long “discussion” about steel vs ceramic body armor 😂

[low fox]

ukranians are using it en masse right now

[acoustic harbor]

AHHHHH I CAN'T BEAR IT

[low fox]

but they also have no other option

[barren kettle]

100 years was an exaggeration but he said it had been a few years

[sterile vortex]

Sure was an easy war, especially considering how it only lasted a month and several weeks while the next decades consisted of pure peacekeeping and drone strikes. If you intend to say that was "war" through and through, then I hope someday you use google for research

[low fox]

it'll stop frag at least

hey, hey furry

[acoustic harbor]

Steel armor is okay if there are necessary protection parts like aramid covers around the platebag, collar, groinpad

[low fox]

so here's a little something people who actually do shit instead of having orgies in fursuits learn

[acoustic harbor]

and it isn't even that heavy, looking at the russian 6B23 or 6B12 here

[low fox]

in US doctrine

the mission/operation/war

starts when you invade a country

and ends when the last soldier sets foot on the plane home

[acoustic harbor]

only about 8-10 kilos what sound like much but isn't too much even if the 23 was missing backplates

but Ceramics are better IN ANY WAY

[low fox]

anyway back to the script

if you're actually getting shelled and shit

and you have nothing else

steel can stop the frag

which will keep you alive

but i wouldnt count on it stopping any bullets

[acoustic harbor]

main use of an Army helmet too

[low fox]

especially not the ones they're using over there right now

eh

nah the US upgraded to rifle protection in helmets in 2012 or so

has been the case ever since

[acoustic harbor]

I was meaning in general

[low fox]

oh

[acoustic harbor]

but you have the money for it

[low fox]

yeah most helmets are just for frag and limited 9mm threats

[acoustic harbor]

Looking at you 6B47

fuckin barely NIJ 2A

[low fox]

my ops core is only really rated for that stuff

but that's the penalty i pay for having a helmet that weighs barely 2 pounds for the total system

[acoustic harbor]

you got a Kevlar fibre one or a UHMWPE mix?

[low fox]

there are multiple rifle rated ops cores out there too

its UHMWPE i think

[acoustic harbor]

XR and SF iirc

those are both rifle rated

[low fox]

the XR is heavier but stops rifles

the SF doe snot

but is lighter

[acoustic harbor]

ah then sorry

[low fox]

the SF is what i got issued and is the current issued helmet

at least for my organization

[acoustic harbor]

ye that's a UHMWPE model

[low fox]

well, and the other ones in the command

[acoustic harbor]

Rifle rated softarmor when

[low fox]

already is a thing

just cance

r

[acoustic harbor]

Maybe I'll try to improve the concept and make it viable, I have a diploma project at the end of school

and being that I am situated in a school that works with firearms n shit around it

we'll see

would be interesting to work with

[acoustic harbor]

would you be able to report some problems?

like what exactly is making it cancer?

weight? a little too unflexibel?

[low fox]

most of them are pretty heavy for what they are

like way heavy

[left flax]

Love the 6b47 tho, gotta be my favourite 🙏

So light

[acoustic harbor]

it's comfy and usefull

[low fox]

pretty good example is the hexar armor

flexible, but heavy

way heavier than soft armor which makes it not worth running

[acoustic harbor]

how much does it weight

?

[low fox]

dont remember it off the top of my head but

its pretty heavy

[acoustic harbor]

Gotta look into that