irl-gear

[low fox]

MSRP*

I am a vet bro, I was asking him on advice about the piece of equipement, thanks.

Yeah its very pricy, but did you found the harness design more stable ?

Yep

Enfin le 417 etait bien mieux que le FRF2

[low fox]

It's definitely more stable and rigid for weight bearing, but like I said it's kind of an old design

Bullpup immensement superieur

The OG AVS came into being in like 2012

[low fox]

Old is not forcefully bad, I was happyu about my tactec while serving

[spring oar]

[low fox]

Apres verif cést bien ca

Anyway lets stop with French 😉

But yeah its shorter than Famas

For a bigger gun overall

Doors are a problem

[spring oar]

[low fox]

Noice but now I am a civilian I'm a CZ dude ^^

[low fox]

I don't like cooking alive very much

[low fox]

Neither I do ^^ Youre right about that, the design must keep you hot

[low fox]

It was good when there was nothing else, but there's better stuff now, cheaper too

[low fox]

What would you advise with stability in mind / being fit to a lean type body ?

[low fox]

depends on how much you're humping

stability isn't my first thought if i'm not pushing some serious weight

[low fox]

?

[low fox]

if you're talking about the stability of the carrier under heavy loads, it depends entirely on the weight you plan on carrying

body type is more of a matter of the plates than the carrier

Nah I talk about overall stability when moving, maybe I expressed myself badly, its more like, "is it sticking to you" hence the interest for the harness concept

For exemple I find most of carriers have a too wide neck, and that cumberbunds should be higher, and thinking about "how it should be done" I have something like the harness at mind

But maybe more breathable youre right

that's more of a sizing issue, but it's true that there are poor cummerbund designs out there

honestly if my carrier was loose it was usually because it was too big

the harness won't make it tighter on you if it's too big

But it will if its well sized, i dont plan on buying the wrong size

Anyway as usual I wont buy until tried, but I sold mine and was thinking about a replacement

the harnesses run a bit big actually

That is a good info

sizing down on the harness might be a good idea

Yup anyway I would always go tiny ^^

Thanks for info I will keep roaming the web until finding love :p

[compact dagger]

Fucking finally got answer from the jews in Agilite support

sending me a new cummerbund for the plate carrier

[naive maple]

lmfao

jannies reeeing as they realize agilite are literally jews and they can't ban you for saying so

[spring oar]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[coarse laurel]

Is it the K19?

I’m about to pull the trigger on the K19 because I saw how comfy it was

[compact dagger]

yea

[compact dagger]

kekw

[coarse laurel]

What happened

Did it break?

[compact dagger]

Cummerbund lock broke

[coarse laurel]

Bruh

[compact dagger]

when I was taking it off the wire while in Germany

[coarse laurel]

I thought they made that shit sturdy

[compact dagger]

Basically left it there so it doesn't take up space under the bed and in front of it, cuz had shitton of gear drying

when tried to take it off it broke

kinda my bad because didn't put it on the shoulder ones since you can open those up and then just use the velcro strap to hold it

probably had it too much sideways when pulling it down

also sometimes it's a bitch to open up, idk why, just doesn't open

[coarse laurel]

That worries me now

[compact dagger]

Ignore the work gloves

were loading up the container

[coarse laurel]

I was planning to use it as my new carrier for army shit

To replace my aging shellback SF

Damn yeah that’s a bad break

[compact dagger]

only thing that broke was the lock

Today I used Latvian military™️ technique on fixing it

that is zipties

[coarse laurel]

Lol

Latvian mil?

[compact dagger]

ya

[coarse laurel]

I worked with some of you guys

[compact dagger]

Neat

Crystal arrow perhaps ?

[coarse laurel]

We had some Latvian medics in Ft Sam Houston in Texas

They were training with us

[compact dagger]

neat

I hope I get sent there to "learn" english

if i get into comms

but yea, i hope the zipties will work well enough for next week

just gonna run in the field quie a bit

[coarse laurel]

I can only imagine

Well I hope they ship you a replacement asap

[compact dagger]

Said gonna be sent on Sunday

[coarse laurel]

I’d be pissed if my plate carrier crap out on me during the field

[compact dagger]

I just hope customs won't hold it up and ask for papers for that thing

like order price and shit

so they can scam me out of it

[coarse laurel]

I abused mine in Korea

[compact dagger]

Yea, that's the downside of plastic cummerbunds

everyone at work was sceptical about it

especially after i told ( and lied ) about the price

said it was only 200€

[coarse laurel]

I like the ones with the cobra buckles

[compact dagger]

?

[coarse laurel]

See that buckle

[compact dagger]

yea

[coarse laurel]

That’s hard to break

Lol

[compact dagger]

you know what's even harder to break ?

Velcro

and cloth

[coarse laurel]

True true

[compact dagger]

I just hate that issued rigs are total shit here

i just got oversized one and its like just a fucking bag

And another downside for Agilite is that the cummerbund likes to twist if you have weight on it

hell, even without weight it likes to do that

and not always you can adjust it to correct position, especially if you are in a hurry

[coarse laurel]

This is what I use

My cable management is a fuckin mess

[compact dagger]

Also I hate that our SOP is that you need 8 mags

so you overload your carrier to the max

for my Agi carrier I have tripple pouch on front, 1 double left and right and 1 mag goes in the chest pocket of the carrier

plus admin pouch on the right

[coarse laurel]

Yeah

[compact dagger]

and had radio and its pouch on the left during AS22

[coarse laurel]

I have 5 on my PC and 1 on my battle belt and 2 in my dangler pouch

I’m also a medic so it’s different for me

[compact dagger]

I'm thinking about warbelt but not yet convinced

[coarse laurel]

I love it

[compact dagger]

Well, as just low tier AT guy I barely need anything else besides those mags and admin pouch for small stuff

and batteries if i get given a radio

[coarse laurel]

I’m in a armored unit at the moment and I love just taking off my plate carrier and still having my mag and IFAK on my person

I can also take it off at will if I need to jump down a hatch of a vehicle

[compact dagger]

Yea, but that's the difference between doctrines, we do our stuff different

plus no vics that would allow taking it off while riding somewhere for now

until Patrias arrive

[coarse laurel]

As a medic they make me load for an Abrams sometime or sometimes I’m a track commander on a M113A3 APC

Or I’m just in a humvee dismounted

Really depends

[compact dagger]

bascially only shit we ride are MRZRs or 6wheel ATVs

so only time you take your shit off is when you are going to sleep

or noone is there to talk smack at you when you are in OP

or smth similar

And also, when you said about the Agi locks being sturdy

one of 2 things happened

either defective or i really fucked up on my side

[coarse laurel]

Yeah it puzzled me because agilite has a reputation for being sturdy

[compact dagger]

I do hope it was me

because if it was defective it means any other one of the locks could break

[left flax]

can i get some advice

any thoughts on ana tac PCs?

stuck between buying wartech and ana

since my monolith will never arrive cos of wArRr

[coarse laurel]

Please stop getting Russian stuff

[left flax]

why

[coarse laurel]

That’s all I’m saying

They break easy

[left flax]

not from my experience

all my russian gear has got me through some things, love it

not PCs but all my other ana tac shit etc

[coarse laurel]

@compact dagger

The war belt

[left flax]

literally just wanna know if anyone has tried the ana tac PCs before i buy one

[compact dagger]

trying to find pic of my rig that has it in current setup

[coarse laurel]

Simple set up

[coarse laurel]

What experiences were those

Like combat? Or just abuse via training

[left flax]

i use my ana stuff for airsoft, hiking, mountain biking, camping, fishing, been getting good use out of their stuff and its never failed me
and ive purposefully been rough with it as well

[coarse laurel]

Ah I c

[left flax]

im talking mainly about their wearable stuff, but just wanna know about their PCs

im not a rich man so they are in my range

[coarse laurel]

Ok if it’s for airsoft then yeah

[left flax]

oh sweet

[coarse laurel]

I thought u we’re gonna use it for some real world military stuff, a lot of Russian gear I’ve seen fail irl

Only thing sturdy from Russians are weapons

In my case I got myself a zenitco perst before the war

Thank god

[left flax]

ooooh, i keep forgetting some countries are allowed to use their own gear which is cool. scotland, we get dog shit, or used to

[left flax]

ah fair enough

[left flax]

the 6B47 has been good to me though, very light and comfy for what it is

[left flax]

oof jealous

the only zenitco thing i have is an A1 Slingpoint lol

[compact dagger]

only shit quality pic i could find

FOr when the carrier isn't on me

just had to send this to Agi

[left flax]

Horrible photo quality

[left flax]

Oo that's cool

[compact dagger]

only other pics have me with it on

and kinda don't want to show my face to OEFT people

[left flax]

Censor smhh

[compact dagger]

tru

[left flax]

Or wear balaclava

[compact dagger]

Don't have the rig at home

[left flax]

ah fair nuff

all my shit is just in a corner next to my bed

aint got the room for fancy display

[compact dagger]

full pic just has my shitty canted helmet in it

had facemask on but fuck that

[left flax]

Ah Latvian? Cool

[compact dagger]

yep

so as you can see 2 mags on my left, 3 in middle, other side has admin pouch and 2 more mags

and 1 mag is in the middle pocket behind zipper

and i'll also use this moment to talk shit about g36

it's shit

rant over

[left flax]

Probably better than our service rifle tbf

Idk shit about guns but ik ours has a bad history

[compact dagger]

what gun ?

[left flax]

L85a1 a2 a3

[compact dagger]

from what I heard A3 is good

and from the guys that went to UK for some training, they said they loved the gun

[left flax]

You'd hope so being the 3rd lol

[compact dagger]

compared to ours

[left flax]

I've only held them in airsoft so I can't say much
My stepdad is in the army though and he hates it

[compact dagger]

compared to this shit which tends to jam if a bit of sand gets in

and it's so fucking front heavy

even without the UBGL and other shit

[left flax]

Ours is back heavy as hell apparently

[compact dagger]

yea cuz the important stuff is behind the trigger

still

if i had to crawl around i'd rather have yours

Like, the AKM that we had to shoot once, even tho, it's the same weight felt a lot better

[left flax]

Fair enough

I'd love an ak mannnnn

[compact dagger]

Well you know where to sign up to go and get one

just have to desert

[left flax]

wish i could. but i also dont

i have 0 combat experience, i would be a liability

so instead im donating what i can

[compact dagger]

I'd go because no family (kids/wife) or gf anymore, so nothing to lose

plus at least some military experience

i'd die, but whatev

[left flax]

it is what it is i suppose

[acoustic harbor]

I doubt a AKM feels "better" compared a G36, a 74 yes a normal 7.62 one I doubt

[compact dagger]

It does

[acoustic harbor]

Probably better ergonomics

[compact dagger]

Tbh at least initial recoil felt lesser than G36s

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

[compact dagger]

idk why

but it was like that

[acoustic harbor]

how fucking shit has to be the recoil system then in a 36

like the AKs bolt carrier has a good chunk of the weight

[compact dagger]

idk, it was one time thing, maybe when we shoot it again i'll update you if it is still like that

[acoustic harbor]

why aren't you shooting 74s doe

most neighbor countries like belarus, russia and ukraine are all using 5.45

[compact dagger]

Idfk

[acoustic harbor]

so in course of war it would be better to know the feeling and usage of the 74 type AKs, especially AKS 74 and AK 74M

[compact dagger]

they got it in 2006

idk what they used before

[acoustic harbor]

who?

[compact dagger]

well new people get to train with AKs every once in a while

Latvia

[acoustic harbor]

strange

post soviet country and using AKMs in training hmmmm

[compact dagger]

Probably just want to distance ourselves as much as possible from USSR

Not using it in training

[acoustic harbor]

for testing, you know what i mean

[compact dagger]

More to familiarize yourself

[acoustic harbor]

ye that

[compact dagger]

AKs are simple af so that's why we barely touch them

and i think, if you want to continue this, we should move to weapons chat

otherwise modlets wont be happy

[naive maple]

Idk i don't mind the simple velcro cummerbund

[low fox]

its

shit

[devout bone]

@acoustic harbor

spotted

in the wild

Also how've you guys been
havent talked in a while

[echo jay]

Oxide viewer moment

💀

[solemn bolt]

Are ceramic armours good? Like erm western ceramic armour

[acoustic harbor]

yep

especially LTC makes some very good stuff

[acoustic harbor]

ye I need the Data

[solemn bolt]

some said Russian gear sucks

[acoustic harbor]

Depends

Old ye

[solemn bolt]

new Russian gear good

[acoustic harbor]

for todays standards

yep

6B45s are very comfy and have good plates

[solemn bolt]

the new Vulcan-5 helmets?

[acoustic harbor]

never adopted?

[solemn bolt]

yeh

[acoustic harbor]

was tested but was deemed to heavy

[solemn bolt]

new Lshzs?

[acoustic harbor]

1+ has the same shell as a 6B47 so kinda garbage

like nij 2A at best

[solemn bolt]

I wish they have the money to adopt the old AK-12

[acoustic harbor]

The TOR is nice, although it's a Kevlar helmet

it stopped 7.62x39 subsonic

surprisingly

[solemn bolt]

Kevlar's good

[acoustic harbor]

it's decent

stuff like UHMWPE is way better in plate and helmet technology

[devout bone]

oh btw donut
ive started a Soviet Afghan Recon kit

Ive got a KZS (trying to order it from somewhere unsanctioned)

[acoustic harbor]

allows even light helmets for example the OpsCore FAST SF ot HighCom Striker Arditi to be rifle rated

[devout bone]

I got a chicom coming

I got Mockba's

I got a Ssh-68 and a KZS cover for it coming

[acoustic harbor]

nice

tho

Where 6B3TM

or TM01

imagine using only 1.25mm titanium backplates

at least it's lighter

[solemn bolt]

I am about to buy a Korund and a Zsh helmet

I think it's not gonna look like a authentic setup

[devout bone]

I will get a 6b3tm eventually

and run the chicom over it

like a scuffed placard

[acoustic harbor]

real one?

and if you do it is authentic

with a M32 Tarzan it's pretty much MVD kurgan in 2013-14

[low fox]

if its russia in the 90s

a shit ton of kitbash will work if you find a photo

[solemn bolt]

oh really?

thats pretty good

I have found a Korund in decent shape for quite cheap but I am kinda struggling to find a ZSH-12M(?)helmet in my region

[devout bone]

ye

also based javelin pic

[acoustic harbor]

Demych

a good condition 1-2M is like 290 bucks

[solemn bolt]

Erm I live in China so

mostIy personal sellers guess

[acoustic harbor]

he should ship

[solemn bolt]

I don't think there's many companies that import these

[acoustic harbor]

does china do sanctions on russia?

[solemn bolt]

erm I'm actually not sure

[acoustic harbor]

only, ZShs are pretty much stolen or get sold by the ops using them

no company exports them

[solemn bolt]

erm I mean like they buy them in Russia and bring them back here

so I'll be looking for one if I see one in good shape I will take it

[modest flame]

Wrong channel you monkey

[left flax]

Monkey 💀

[naive maple]

ah

monke

[radiant orbit]

My range

[nocturne vapor]

gorgeous. I wish I could utilize something like that. What a beautiful place you live.

[hearty swan]

T-Rex arms sells cheap level 3+ hesco plates there supposedly decent and can stop a 7.62x39 API

[urban cove]

any advice on how to break in mag pouches? the crye panel I got seems super tight on the mags, making any chance of a quick reload nearly impossible

[coarse laurel]

Damn meanwhile I’m just here shooting in the middle of the desert north of Las Vegas

[radiant orbit]

@coarse laurel dam***** i like that tho lol

[left flax]

I'm jealous of you Americans with yer cool shit

[compact dagger]

Tbh in EU you can also get a lot of good stuff, but not as easily as US

[left flax]

In Scotland its bloody difficult

Can't even get an airgun without jumping through hoops

[compact dagger]

ah yes, the UK shit

heard that even with perfect record they might deny you for shit like parking tickets

idk how true that is tho

while here I walked into store and bought a CO2 gun that shoots metal BBs that could probably kill you without any issues

just checked if im 18+

[nocturne vapor]

what kind of bb gun you got that could kill someone? lol I know there are some seriously powerful air rifles out there you could get that can take down game, but I don't think anyone would call that a bb gun.

[compact dagger]

idk, just with even less than half of CO2 canister it could penetrate skin quite deep, so full one could penetrate artery in neck

[coral pivot]

Had a 10-pump pellet rifle when I was a kid, could likely bag a target with the right ammo. Granted that thing is probably 30 years old and hasn't been shot in 20 but, they've got break action pellet rifles that are shooting at 1,500+ fps now.

[visual rune]

simply move to america

it's free real estate

AK-47 and a hamburger off the plane

[grim edge]

i need to go to a shooting range for to years for an fucking 9mm handgun

[low fox]

the same way you break in anything, put mags in there and leave them in

[low fox]

hesco is sketch, I'd avoid

[compact dagger]

here you just pass some police checks and go to training

[acoustic harbor]

but only 10 rnd mags

[compact dagger]

depends on the country

[acoustic harbor]

all of eu

except sone eastern ones

like chad czech

completely rejected eu gun ban

[compact dagger]

whenever i get to getting the license i'll ask around

which wont be soon

[acoustic harbor]

I still have some years for a semi license

[compact dagger]

cuz not willing to spend whatever it costs to get a gun license and then buy a gun yet

[acoustic harbor]

also mfw needing license to buy fmj munition

[left flax]

Perhaps

[viral plume]

mhm :(

[coarse laurel]

I’m also military so it’s also a job thing

[acoustic harbor]

what AK 47?

))))

[spring oar]

[frigid geyser]

or just go to places like Switzerland, probably one of the easiest places you can shoot a gun in western europe

and no mag limits for most stuff

[hushed furnace]

ok USEC

[coarse laurel]

lol

[low fox]

nah, im good

[acoustic harbor]

well it is my neighboring country lmao

[vestal pond]

well it could be worse, you could be french like me(((

nice setup

[modest flame]

You're the only based French individual

[radiant glade]

just curious

how come nobody sells GPNVG in black or OD green?

its all FDE from what I can find

[acoustic harbor]

they never made GPNVG-18s in other colors afaik

also are you ready to shill out 40k or what

or was it 36? i forgor

[radiant glade]

I know theyre real
you mean they never made them in other colors?

[spring oar]

They're also LEO or Mil only

[radiant glade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/comments/l3jgvu/gpnvg18s_are_now_available_to_civilians/

on their website:
"TNVC is proud to announce the release of the L3Harris Ground Panoramic Night Vision Goggle (GPNVG) available FOR COMMERCIAL SALES exclusively through TNVC. No longer do you need to “know a guy who knows a guy” or make backdoor deals for gray market systems–these units are fully backed by L3Harris for open commercial sales!"

commerical sale but only through them

[frigid geyser]

and in any case, not a thing you can get in Europe anyhow

[spring oar]

Goddamn, didn't know they changed that

[mossy obsidian]

for the low low price of 40k dollars

[radiant glade]

Yee that's me rn

[radiant glade]

Yeh more than my car

[acoustic harbor]

yes lmao

I forgor a word

[acoustic harbor]

for that price i could buy myself 1 btr 80

or 2 btr 60s

and for 7,5 times that a T72A

[devout bone]

@acoustic harbor you should buy a liberated Russian T72B3 from a Ukrainian Farmer ngl

and then make a Tanker kit

[coral pivot]

Anyone like AR500 armor?

[burnt tulip]

me omw to sell my house and my car to buy some GPNVG-18s

[visual rune]

the real deal right now are the PVS-31As

they're fucking everywhere

GPNVG is a meme

[acoustic harbor]

ew steel

anyone who unironically buys steel armor when it's not a collectors piece/for reenacting is braindead

[naive maple]

ar500 is for steel targets

if you want to wear it in your chest, make sure you weight budget for a truck tire around it for spalling

[mossy obsidian]

Save money for a cool forever box

[low fox]

they're still 13-14k

which is cheaper than grey market prices, but still obnoxiously expensive

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

I think they would price like 25k at least here if they were imported

[lavish quartz]

i have the lvl 3 ar500 with the anti spalling ceramic coating and its not too heavy and can withstand up to .308

its about $600 for front and back plates

[low fox]

how unfortunate that your soft tissue and arteries are not level 3 and will not withstand the fragmentation steel plates shoot into your throat

anti spalling is a meme, no "coatings" have successfully stopped the fragmentation without additional armor around your soft tissue

also you got scammed cause 600 dollars would get you solid plates and a JPC

[spring oar]

I don't into gear and even I know AR500 is a meme

If I remember correctly they aren't even officially NIJ rated, they're just 'rated to NIJ standards'

[acoustic harbor]

well there exists something known as a kevlar neck protector but yes steel kinda useless ngl

also coatings really are usless the best compromise is either a kevlar cover around the steel plate

or a extra layer of kevlar in the armor itself

both upgrades the russians did on the Korund and Bagariy

they are still shitty vests for todays standards but they work

[honest yoke]

If you want a cheaper alternative you can make your own

https://defcad.com/library/6fc02ef9-5443-4083-805e-cb57ef98223a/

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652379686285869056/941857152040075294/5c10c94dbe584a399bf1aedfb3543b40.png

Can make it for around $1k including the price of the 3d printer

[low fox]

both failed entirely to completely stop the fragementation

additional armor on top of the cover was needed to safely stop the remaining frag

which is stupid and pointlessly cumbersome

[honest yoke]

Id rather have the coating than not have it

[low fox]

i'd rather having nothing

have*

[honest yoke]

its not excessive weight being added, covering the plate with cloth will also help, nothing is perfect however

[low fox]

do you even know what the korund is

[honest yoke]

a lot of the energy is lost on impact, at that point your trying to find ways to stop spall

[low fox]

or just don't

you're literally arguing just to argue

steel sucks cock

[honest yoke]

I thought we were just talking about spall coating

[low fox]

if your body armor system has the potential to harm you

it is garbage

period

[honest yoke]

well yea ceramic is better

[low fox]

spall coatings have been shown not to work past 1 round the majority of the time

[honest yoke]

but steel is cheaper and easier to produce in higher quantities

[low fox]

it is literally truck bed liner

[honest yoke]

yea

[low fox]

it falls off and completely decouples from the steel after 1 shot

and still fails to stop all of the spall

it's entirely useless

[honest yoke]

its a slight improvement, its not perfect but its to at least help

[acoustic harbor]

oldgen Korund yes, Newgen shouldn't, though most newgens are VM-Ks supplied with ceramics

[low fox]

no, it isn't a slight improvement

it doesnt

do

anything

it stops a little bit of the frag and then falls off the plate entirely

after your ribs are shattered of course

[honest yoke]

depends on a lot of factors, round size, energy, angle, etc

Id rather have it for even a marginal improvement

[low fox]

except you know

it doesn't

[acoustic harbor]

Steel in general is garbage, it could, COULD, save your life but the risk of injury are great

[low fox]

i can't think of any rifle calibers that won't have that effect on the plate

[honest yoke]

^

[low fox]

yeah, except it could also kill you

[honest yoke]

If that risk means not catching a round to the chest I would take it

[low fox]

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard

[acoustic harbor]

also to really "effectively" use steel you NEED extra softarmor, like neck anf groin protectors and a extra layer of kevlar above the plate, as the russians showed us since like 2000, when the 6B12 was first issued

[honest yoke]

usually theres a pad you can get to go behind the plate as well

[acoustic harbor]

though 6B12s didn't habe kevlar over the plate iirc, 6B23s did

[low fox]

yeah, spend more money than you spent on the actual plate to make it safe to use so it doesn't kill you

[acoustic harbor]

funny, russia used primarly steel until the 6B43s first inceptions in 2010 and the 45 in 2014 although they already had 12-1s, 13s and 23-2s that were ceramic

[low fox]

pretty unethical if you ask me

[acoustic harbor]

It was primarly cost

russia is still a 2nd world country posing as a 1st world and world power

[low fox]

of this i am quite aware

[acoustic harbor]

their latest innovations, especially the fort plates are pretty nice tho

the granits outperform ESAPI to my knowledge

[honest yoke]

Still wouldnt underestimate them, they do have a sizable military and a population thats fit for service

[acoustic harbor]

both 5A and 6A

[honest yoke]

Id say that they have a population better fit for service than america even

[acoustic harbor]

except you use mostly conscripts and no ground support, rip the vdv bros

[honest yoke]

The conscripts your going to get in russia are going to be far better than the redditors you find in the national guard

[acoustic harbor]

nah

they are batshit ret*rds

[honest yoke]

the guard?

[acoustic harbor]

conscripts

One blew up his btr while cooking food

COOKING FOOD

[honest yoke]

you have definitely not spent any time in service if you think the guard isnt either

[acoustic harbor]

I'm not american

[honest yoke]

ah

[acoustic harbor]

has europoor in his name
thinks I'm from america

[barren kettle]

🤣

[honest yoke]

dunno

[acoustic harbor]

also the russians for some weird reason are undersupplying their units big time, especially in ukraine, not that ahrd anymore from what I've seen but using fucking baofeng comms

they have the resources to do better, but they just choose not to

[honest yoke]

bruh, there a chat filter?

[acoustic harbor]

yes

[honest yoke]

lol

[acoustic harbor]

ah okay they fixed that one

Wrote the N word a while back and nothing deleted it

[honest yoke]

I was going to say all militaries have pretty "sped" lower level soldiers

lmao

[acoustic harbor]

the russian conscript thing is just a mess

receive little to no training, and are abused hard

and i still don't get why they supply them Ratnik 2 kits

waste of gear

Well I've seen some pics with 6B45s and SSh68s

[honest yoke]

russia has lost the economy and public perception to continue training a large military

[acoustic harbor]

Now definetly

[honest yoke]

its still formidible due to old supplies/equipment, but lacks training and experience

[acoustic harbor]

Kontraktniks are pretty well educated and trained

just look at 2nd Guard Tamanskaya

maybe 15th seperate, they don't do much, they jsut sit around down in karabakh and scratch their balls

they do be getting the good shit do

VDV is also Kontraktniks only iirc

VDV is not to be fucked with

except you drop them in contested airspace with no ground support

[coral pivot]

I asked that ar500 question earlier. You all realize that's a company and not a type of armor, yeah?

[radiant glade]

hey many thanks!

[coral pivot]

Beyond that, steel is the only armor type that will A, take more than one shot and B, not deform a dagger into your chest. Flexible armor (Aramid/Kevlar) will stop heavy pistol rounds and rated for MAYBE two shots. Poly armor will stop most rounds but WILL deform because it does a shit job at transferring energy, just flat out absorbs it into the point. Ceramic/hard plate will shatter if you look at it wrong and will stop ONE round. Steel plate, with an appropriate covering, is the only option to defend against multiple rounds and retain it's shape.

[radiant glade]

oh man im lovin that <1k price tag

[radiant glade]

how am I just finding this website now? 🤤

[low fox]

imagine

[low fox]

ceramics can tank 2-3 if its different pucks. Depends on the ceramic

The issue most people have with steal is the surprise circumcision it gives if its hit by a bigger round

[radiant glade]

yeah I just bought some ceramic at a gunshow from some guys who keyd me in on that

[honest yoke]

DEFCAD requires a 50 dollar entrance fee I beleve

[radiant glade]

also the weight tho

[radiant glade]

yee, seems worth tho

[low fox]

I have no need for armor, i just larp at comps and do living history so none of my shit has plates

[honest yoke]

bunch of other "funny items" on their site

[radiant glade]

I got level 3+ spall coated from ar500 and them shits are like 20 pounds a plate and my new ceramic shid is level 4 and weighs 18.4 pounds total

[low fox]

1 of my 3 plate carriers is a White Leather POS i made for a victorian shitpost

[radiant glade]

and the price
AR500 I spent 800 for a whole setup
Carrier, mag pouches, armor, and IFAK

at the gunshow I got their $500 setup for 350

same setup
actually has more mag pouches

has 4 pistol, 7 rifle pouches

[low fox]

i cede this convo to @low fox Cause i dont do armor

[honest yoke]

PSA is wonderful FYI

[low fox]

HA

Check irl weap pins

[honest yoke]

Palmetto hasnt given me anything that doesnt work

[radiant glade]

the one from AR500 has 2 double rifle pouches (4 mags total)
2 pistol pouches
and 4 loops for shotgun shells

[honest yoke]

I have done a full teardown

then again, I did only get an upper

[low fox]

[radiant glade]

also the IFAK has the same amount of shit in it but is way smaller of a pouch

ight my carrier vent is over but if yall wanna check em out I think it is FT Armory or something

lemmie double check

https://www.forarmsllc.com/

[low fox]

shut up idiot

go read a book

[barren kettle]

[low fox]

like i actually lose brain cells reading this

lost*

and i can never get back the time, or the brain cells

[barren kettle]

ive been waiting for you to show up

[low fox]

i just cant BELIEVE what im reading

every time i come in here

someone says some bookoo re-re ass shit

its never just like "this person is slightly misinformed, no biggy, that can be fixed"

its just them holding a position that is both wrong, and absolutely idiotic

these people are the future of our nation

[radiant glade]

yea the guys I bought my level IV ceramic plates had a ton of em out on their booth and they stopped 20 7.62 rounds without messing up the back

[low fox]

it is not bright

yeah because ceramics crack

they don't deform

ironically, that's exactly how steel works

[radiant glade]

of course it was probably just regular ol FMJ

[low fox]

metals will do 1 of 2 things when impacted by a high velocity projectile

they will either shatter the projectile

or deform massively

if it shatters the projectile it will transfer most of the energy into your body as it doesn't really have mass, nor materials to disperse the energy along its surface areas

just how the properties of metals are

if it doesn't shatter the projectile, it deforms immediately

and where do you think that metal is gonna go when it deforms because something hit it

the answer is into you

[radiant glade]

your chest

[coral pivot]

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[low fox]

hey buddy

what grade did you get in chemistry

?

or physics for that matter

because the properties of matter, and elements

[radiant glade]

pretty good grade in chemistry and i believe you about the metal deforming

[low fox]

is something that is SUPPOSED to be taught

in EVERY SCHOOL

but apparently

[coral pivot]

Oof. You're really going to push this.

[low fox]

as evidenced by you

it isn't

[coral pivot]

Buddy, I sold body armor for years.

[low fox]

ok?

[radiant glade]

did you shoot it too?

[low fox]

i could sell body armor right now

[coral pivot]

Yes,

[radiant glade]

🙂

[low fox]

hell, maybe i will

brb, selling my plates

[radiant glade]

lol

[low fox]

believe it or not

[radiant glade]

hops on let go*

[low fox]

selling an object

[radiant glade]

I sell body armor

[coral pivot]

I'm aware that there is fragmentation when shooting steel plates. With a sufficient medium over it, you can mitigate that.

[low fox]

does not increase your knowledge of it!

like shit dude

if my knowledge increased every time i sold gear or equipment

my head would look like fucking megamind right now

[coral pivot]

Yet, it doesn't. Hm.

[radiant glade]

id have no knowledge cuz I dont sell any of my stuff :/

[low fox]

what an astute observation

[coral pivot]

You clearly must not learn anything about the stuff you sell.

[low fox]

you know what that is?

because "selling something" does not make you knowledgeable about it

idiot

[coral pivot]

I on the other hand learn everything

I can. about it*

[low fox]

yeah i bet you learned all the AR500 affiliate codes

and the spartan armor affiliate codes

[coral pivot]

Nope. Didn't sell their products.

[low fox]

and let's not forget about the shotstop affiliate codes

LMT write a fucking text block and kami will pin it

[radiant glade]

lol im lovin this

[low fox]

you see mr "i sold armor for years"

here's how this works

[frozen ridge]

i sell subway sandwiches

[low fox]

you're an idiot

and you're an idiot because no matter what you did or didn't sell

PHYSICS DOES NOT CHANGE

MATTER DOES NOT CHANGE

THEIR PROPERTIES DO NOT CHANGE

[radiant glade]

I bet you make a mean sammich

[coral pivot]

Oof.

[frozen ridge]

Quantum physics bro. dark matter bro.

[low fox]

people are supposed to learn that in high school

[coral pivot]

"Physics" have changed several times.

[low fox]

oh they do?

thats crazy

cause last i checked

[radiant glade]

paralelle universes and twin universes my guy

[low fox]

there are laws in science for a reason

[frozen ridge]

well

[low fox]

conincidentally

[frozen ridge]

we kinda made em

[coral pivot]

My guy, physics and our understand of the world have been changing since we discovered them.

[low fox]

yeah, to explain our natural world

[radiant glade]

My boy Manic is on the Physics Most wanted list

[frozen ridge]

lolol

[low fox]

and as our understanding of how the natural world changed

so too did the way we defined it

it wasn't because the item itself changed

it was because we understood it insufficiently

[radiant glade]

with a bounty of 9grillion jewels of energy

[frozen ridge]

wait. waht r u guys arguing about?

[coral pivot]

Are you talking about Newtons "Three laws of motion"?

[low fox]

some idiot who doesn't understand how metallurgy works

@low fox Write a pro con about fucking armor types and ill get kami to pin it

[radiant glade]

steel armor deforming or not

[low fox]

So we can just do the same damn thing we do in weapons

[coral pivot]

Because I really think you just love filling screens with half sentence responses.

[frozen ridge]

lolol newtons three laws of motion

[low fox]

he unironically doens't understand how metals respond to projectiles impacting them

and he thinks because he's a shill for whatever company he sucked off, that makes him an SME

[radiant glade]

Isaac Nuketon

[low fox]

Is he saying ceramic deforms?

[radiant glade]

[frozen ridge]

ok, but bullet science is kinda like rocket sciene. like recoil and stuff right

[low fox]

yeah

[coral pivot]

Seriously, put an entire thought together before responding. I don't have the time to sit here and keep up with your thirty responses.

[low fox]

he thinks ceramics deform

AHGAHHAAHAHHAHGHA

You fucking idiot

[coral pivot]

Ceramic shatters.

[low fox]

even though by DESIGN they do not

they distribute the energy along the conoids

[coral pivot]

I NEVER said ceramic "deforms"

[low fox]

which crack

[frozen ridge]

okok. get the slow mo guys on this

[radiant glade]

Manic is looking for his out by attacking LMT directly

[low fox]

Personally i have a set of ceramics and a backup set of steels

[coral pivot]

What?

[radiant glade]

me too

[frozen ridge]

u guys r board

[low fox]

I use the steels for weight training

[frozen ridge]

i use gravity

[low fox]

you do understand that poly plates are composites

right

[barren kettle]

its a bold strategy cotton, lets see if it pays off for em

[coral pivot]

I said that.

[low fox]

Plus if im at a comp i can chuck my plates and not be worried

composites of what

go on

[coral pivot]

Kind of the whole meanign behind "poly"

[low fox]

composites

of

what

[coral pivot]

Beyond that, it's specifically polyetheline.

[low fox]

sigh..

THIS CLOSE

THIS CLOSE to greatness

[radiant glade]

poly means multiple right?

[coral pivot]

I couldn't roll my eyes harder if I tried.

[frozen ridge]

yearsh. multiple

poly-gon

(:

[radiant glade]

multi-gone

[low fox]

most UHMWPE plates are not exclusively polyetheline idiot

[coral pivot]

"PE (Polyethylene) body armor comes in as some middle ground between Kevlar and steel body armor. While it not as lightweight as Kevlar, it is a lot lighter than steel. PE is a thermoplastic material. PE body armor is manufactured by bonding Unidirectional UHMWPE (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene) fibers over a high-density PE sheet."

[low fox]

if they were they would get absolutely destroyed

[frozen ridge]

f wikipediaed

[coral pivot]

So sorry I spelled it wrong the first time.

[low fox]

quite a few of them use a variety of aramid and other fibers

but i digress

[coral pivot]

Aramid/Kevlar woudl be used as a secondary base plate to prevent the BFD (Back face deformation)

[low fox]

Not to fuckin mention

[low fox]

I like your funni words magic man

if the energy transfer was as poor as you were claiming

[coral pivot]

It's fucking plastic.

[low fox]

it would be prohibitively expensive to produce certified plate models

yet alas

it isn't

meanwhile, the cheaper material steel

has..

let's see..

oh yeh

i think there's 1 model of steel armor

that is NIJ certified

literally 1

of the countless chinese import armors that manage to scrape by

for some reason

not ONE steel model has successfully passed

[coral pivot]

"Polyethylene or polythene (abbreviated PE; IUPAC name polyethene or poly(methylene)) is the most common plastic in use today. It is a polymer, primarily used for packaging --"

[low fox]

more than(

hey man, aren't you supposed to be some kinda SME?

[coral pivot]

Mr "alas-it's-not-plastic"

[low fox]

?

quote me

i'll wait

[coral pivot]

[7:36 PM] ManicDeadman: It's fucking plastic.
[7:36 PM] lord "LMT Enjoyer" refreshing: it would be prohibitively expensive to produce certified plate models
[7:36 PM] lord "LMT Enjoyer" refreshing: yet alas
[7:36 PM] lord "LMT Enjoyer" refreshing: it isn't

[low fox]

reading comprehension = 0

cool

so anyway

[radiant glade]

I like how people don't argue about what gear they use and why, they discuss how metal works

[coral pivot]

Eh, I may have skipped a sentence or two because god forbid you type an entire thought out before hitting enter.

[low fox]

you're just an idiot

which is okay

not everyone in the US is literate

we already discussed your lack of proper education

so this isn't new information

[coral pivot]

I'm the only one here from what it seems like that has actually tested these materials next to each other.

[low fox]

"i do not like the way you type so i will take what you said out of context, and stack them on falsified claims"

[radiant glade]

Ive watched youtube videos side by side

does that count?

[coral pivot]

I've shot them.

[low fox]

let's actually break this down so there's structure to what mr smoothbrain here is saying

[radiant glade]

they shot em in youtube

[low fox]

In here, yes

[radiant glade]

[low fox]

"Beyond that, steel is the only armor type that will A, take more than one shot and B, not deform a dagger into your chest."

this is a complete and utter lie, as all NIJ certified plate models are required to be able to pass all testing shots within 44mm of deformation

[radiant glade]

^

hence the rating system

[low fox]

actually LMT i do have a question for you

KP9 Mag pouches, what do you recommend for comps/my LBE

"Flexible armor (Aramid/Kevlar) will stop heavy pistol rounds and rated for MAYBE two shots." this is also a lie, as the majority of decent soft armor is more than capable of stopping 3+ shots in close proximity

[coral pivot]

Ok, now look up how much deformation a steel plate with an antifragmentation layer of Aramid/Kevlar has.

[low fox]

"Ceramic/hard plate will shatter if you look at it wrong and will stop ONE round". another lie

[radiant glade]

lol

[low fox]

Again, NIJ ratings specify a level 3 plate MUST STOP it was either 5 or 6 shots of M8-

M80*

7.62x51

[radiant glade]

he rippin you a new one with all that dumb crap you said earlier

[coral pivot]

WTF

[low fox]

"Steel plate, with an appropriate covering, is the only option to defend against multiple rounds and retain it's shape."

another lie

[radiant glade]

drop it and it breaks 🤤

[coral pivot]

Level III is not rated for 7.62

[low fox]

?

[radiant glade]

it is im pretty sure

ive read the same thing

[low fox]

THIS IS THE DUDE SELLING PEOPLE LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT

[radiant glade]

Manic must be thinking IIIA

[low fox]

HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

AND CLAIMS TO HAVE SOLD ARMOR PLATES TO PEOPLE

[radiant glade]

that was the fatal mistake

[low fox]

I PITY EVERYONE WHO PURCHASED ANYTHING FROM THIS MAN

EVER

HE IS AN IDIOT

[coral pivot]

I was wrong.

[low fox]

DO NOT PURCHASE EQUIPMENT FROM IDIOTS

Personally, just dont run plates

I know you're wrong idiot

[coral pivot]

I was,

[low fox]

That's why I'm calling you an idiot

I know my shit

I know you don't know your shit

That's why you're being clowned

How is this hard for you to understand

You literally made claims that are all disproved by an official government body with empirical evidence and a testing process

[coral pivot]

Get fucked.

[low fox]

?

[radiant glade]

my GF has a dad in Law Enforcement and he bought a IIIA vest from a retiring coworker who told him it would stop rifles
I just about lost my shit and I showed him the lists and mightve saved his ass someday

[low fox]

i'd rather not get fucked

i'm straight

[radiant glade]

Manic are you a retired LEO?

[low fox]

he should retire from being an idiot

[barren kettle]

why did he say get fucked 🤣

[low fox]

i dunno

[radiant glade]

lol I was thinking that

[low fox]

i assume it's because i'm a very sexy man

[coral pivot]

My comment was auto deleted.

[low fox]

and he would like to have sexual relations with me

however, i must firmly refuse

oh yeah i wasn't done shitting on him

anyway

[coral pivot]

Go for it.

[low fox]

the reason this idiot claims steel "doesn't deform"

is because there is partial truth to it

[frozen ridge]

u guys r still at it?

[low fox]

Anyway, to move topic. I need some 9mm SMG mag pouches for comps

if steel armor is hit by a round that doesn't penetrate outright

the round will shatter

[radiant glade]

yee Manic thinks III is IIIA

[low fox]

and there won't be much deformation to speak of

but if it does

not only will it deform catastrophically

penetrating the plate

[coral pivot]

Hence why I made the distinction of having an antifragmentation medium.

[low fox]

but it will push that metal into your body

and it is very VERY easy to penetrate steel

[frozen ridge]

cant u just pull up and image of dented steel armour?

and thats the end of it?

[low fox]

you can do it with a 20" barrel and m193

one of the most common rounds in america

[radiant glade]

essentially he is selling people PACA claiming it is rifle armor

[coral pivot]

Yeah, no.

[low fox]

he literally has 0 actual knowledge of what he's selling

nor how it works

he's just regurgitating fuddlore that's been disproven over and over

[coral pivot]

I don't sell it anymore, that was 10+ years ago.

[radiant glade]

he probably isnt selling anything
it was just a "my dad owns xbox" moment

[low fox]

hate to break it to you bud, but 10 years hasn't changed how steel works

[frozen ridge]

lol

[low fox]

nor how ceramic plates, or UHMWPE works

[coral pivot]

I'm going off of info that I haven't used in a decade easily.

[frozen ridge]

but like new carbon atoms

[low fox]

true

i mean who knows

each atom could behave differently than the other atom

we just cant know for sure

[frozen ridge]

the very fabtic of carbon has been reenginered in the last 10 years

jk jk

[low fox]

well obviously, weren't you there?

[frozen ridge]

u guys have fun

[low fox]

it was a different world 10 years ago

[radiant glade]

"do you even know who I am? I could armor you in 32 different ways using only my bear hands"

im 9 idk about atoms 10 yrs ago

[coral pivot]

So, if you know everything about armor, what would you wear?

Mr Supreme knowledge of the Tarkov Discord.

[radiant glade]

you as a meat shield

you probably only NIJ level II tho

[coral pivot]

Terrible decision.

[radiant glade]

if I had to guess

[coral pivot]

Not even.

[radiant glade]

NIJ level paper

[coral pivot]

Probably.

[low fox]

what would i wear?

IIIA paper

or what do I wear

[coral pivot]

Either

[radiant glade]

Im going naked

[low fox]

because if we're talking about what I would wear

[radiant glade]

I'm gonna make a suit out of Iron

that worked for iron man

[low fox]

It would definitely be the ceradyne AA4 or similar

what do I wear now?

LTC 28595s

[violet wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917534954836095006/953439522530664498/20220315_194714.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917534954836095006/953439522165784657/20220315_194727.jpg

She lives.

Bat is suffering.

[coral pivot]

OL' Ned Kelly over there.

[violet wraith]

Radio is FSB write off by the way.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917534954836095006/953439788671852544/20220315_194905.jpg

[low fox]

i would never put garbage steel on my body

because that's suicidal

i only wear the finest of ceramic china

nor do i prescribe to this garbage fuddlore about steel because i know better

simple research

[cinder stream]

AR500 users

[low fox]

simple math

literally

like

[violet wraith]

What are you referring to here

[low fox]

dudes are just saying absolutely idiotic shit like the DOJ doesn't literally have an entire testing process

that requires a DROP TEST

requires them being frozen

[barren kettle]

ima just grab some of those range target plates and duct tape it to my body

[low fox]

shot

heated

submerged

etc

[barren kettle]

ill die of dehydration and exhaustion before the bullets reach me

[low fox]

level 3 plates have to be shot 5 times by 7.62x51 lmao

[coral pivot]

YEah, sorry, I'm not wearing 16lb plates.

[radiant glade]

XD

[low fox]

and level 4 plates have to pass every standard level 3s did

• an AP 30.06

[cinder stream]

AP M2*

[low fox]

and you want to know whats even funnier

[radiant glade]

youre wearing PACA

[coral pivot]

I'm not wearing any armor.

[radiant glade]

Im wearing scav armor

[coral pivot]

I'm 500 yards away.

[radiant glade]

clothes

oooh edgy sniper

im shakin in my boots

[low fox]

that steel armor in general is heavier than ceramics are

usually by alot

[coral pivot]

Nope, scaving my ass off like a rat.

[low fox]

my plates are 4.8 pounds a plate and stop 7.62x54R B32 API

lmao

[coral pivot]

Those ceradynes are 16lb

[low fox]

dude's in here talking about 16 pounds

[cinder stream]

"but-b-ut ceramics break so easy lloloololololololollool"

I have hecso 4800s

[low fox]

?

no they aren't

[coral pivot]

I just looked 'em up.

Read the reviews

[violet wraith]

Well my plates are 14 pounds and stop 7.62x54 PS as long as you're not within 100m
so yeah

get owned

[low fox]

LOL

THE REVIEWS?

REVIEWS FROM WHO

[coral pivot]

Guy in there talking about how 16lb looks light on the web page.

[low fox]

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE PLATES ARE?

LOOOOOOOOL

[coral pivot]

The ceradyne website?

[low fox]

FATHER STRETCH THESE HANDS

AAAAAAAH

oh man

ok

now that i've regained my composure

The Ceradyne AA4's aren't on their website you idiot

They were literally spook plates produced for JSOC and the CIA

They're like 4.8 pounds

It wasn't even known that they existed until a few years ago

[coral pivot]

Clicked the wrong link, lol.

[radiant glade]

fud cant use a mouse

[coral pivot]

Nope

[low fox]

I think they were rated for something like 12 shots of 7.62x39 API?

something fuckin crazy lmao

[coral pivot]

I requested the catalog though. Perks of the job.

[low fox]

?

what are you talking about lmao

[coral pivot]

TSSi, correct?

[frozen ridge]

wait i thought u didnt sell armour anymore?

[radiant glade]

Hey guys snort
pushes up glasses
I need some plates that weigh -20 pounds and will stop a grillio0n .22lr rounds 🤓

[low fox]

no one would EVER

EVER

[coral pivot]

I don't.

[low fox]

give you a catalogue for those plates

nor acknowledge they existed to you if you asked about them

they were literally produced on a secret contract solicitation for the CIA

you're not getting shit

even if you're not full of it

which you are

LOL

[coral pivot]

Yeah, sorry, I'm having them sent to the gun store I work at.

[radiant glade]

CIA needs spook plates for their face

[low fox]

i would love some spook plates

[coral pivot]

https://www.tssi-ops.com/catalogs

[radiant glade]

face armor is under developed

[low fox]

Did your plate sales come with a DoD security clearance too?

[radiant glade]

I need some face armor
"Best I can do is boba fett"

"It only stops airsoft"

[low fox]

oh wait, i've seen this before

Is it bad whenever someone says spook i think of a specific weeb drawing of the CIA

this is the schizophrenic ranting phase

it'll subside in time

[coral pivot]

You're the one typing 30 fuckin' messages a minute bud, if anyone is ranting here, it's you.