irl-gear

[acoustic harbor]

Striker X/ULT then, has the cargo pockets and standard pockets in the front

also, the JPC may be the king for the mission it was made for specifically, but it doesn't have the space or modification possibilitys as other carriers

[thorny ridge]

do you own a JPC

[acoustic harbor]

I had one

hated it

mostly the fucking shoulder straps

[thorny ridge]

what space or modification possibilities does it not have

[thorny ridge]

((which are replaceable))

[acoustic harbor]

it can't accept swift clips without heavy modification, doesn't accept like corsets or trauma pads because it relies on standalone plates, it is generally a pretty small carrier having very few molle slots, at max for 3 mag pouches in a row

I see why it is used, but in my opinion it's just a inferior carrier

[thorny ridge]

so how much mags do you carry whilst larping inside of your home

swift clips when velcro exists

[acoustic harbor]

to for example maybe a AVS, or LBT 6094

[acoustic harbor]

I mostly carry 4 to 8 at least

[acoustic harbor]

velcro plaquards can rip off with buckles that's a lil harder

[thorny ridge]

maybe if you use chinesium gear

the AVS or the 6094 can't theoretically carry more than 3 mag pouches in a row lol

was this an attempt at shilling russian gear

[acoustic harbor]

it can doe

[acoustic harbor]

I didn't say the AVS can

carry more than 3

just that the JPC is imo inferior to it

[thorny ridge]

kek

[dull snow]

6094 can carry 4 additional pouches at the front and also has the kangaroo pouch inside for extra 3 mags

lmao

[acoustic harbor]

also minimalist carriers kinda cringe

except if you want to conceal carry or sum shit

or are like a medic

needing less weight

oh and also what is a big no no for me on the JPC are the skeleton cummerbunds

I fucking hate them

[low fox]

it isn't supposed to

and also, the JPC is widely regarded by professional shooters as having the best shoulderstraps in the game

on top of the fact that the skeleton cummerbund has been adopted by just about every manufacturer as the standard

i feel like you're being counterculture for the sole purpose of doing it

you're taking the JPC, saying "its not good at anything it isn't supposed to do" and saying it's bad because of it

like c'mon dude, that's unreasonable as fuck

I've told you before that trauma pads are useless for anything but non standalone plates, which the majority of the world doesn't use

yeah the US uses them for line troops, but probably not even for much longer

placards are a non issue, as cryes mag pouches or flaps will suit any and every need you could have

AXL makes adapters if you're that pressed about it

having more than 3 mags on your front is incredibly uncommon these days

people don't do it and for good reason, it makes you incredibly cumbersome on your front, which makes it harder to go prone properly

your gripes make no logical sense for anyone who understands anything about the jpc

it is without a doubt the one size fits all of plate carriers and will work for virtually anything needed by anyone without stupid niche requirements

[acoustic harbor]

the majority of the world uses non standalone, especially the armys of the countrys in and around my country and I live in central europe, even russia with not little of a military spending use Ceramics with a Kevlar backer and rely on a bit trauma padding.

and I am (when reenacting) using 8 Mags on the front of my carrier(6B45) and have no problem going prone

also I'm not saying it is shit, again, i just don't like it, have used it, didn't like it at all

also a point why I'm hating a bit on the JPC is (yes it's a stupid reason) that everyone is like, ey get the JPC you don't need anything and it gets boring seeing the same all the time but if someone likes it, okay use it, your choice, I wouldn't but do as you wish

[hallow compass]

Welp I'm getting a cage with molle ig

For some reason someone is selling a slick replica for hundreds of dollars

[acoustic harbor]

molle minus or spc type carrier?

[hallow compass]

I'm not familiar with the names Should I just send a link?

[hallow compass]

It said molle and that was it other than the actual carrier name

[acoustic harbor]

send a pic

[hallow compass]

Alr

[low fox]

yeah but they're poor

the majority of the operational world.

i'm not talking about some random country ethnically cleansing for the 50th time.

im talking countries with legitimate global projection power

the people actually fighting the large and major wars

anyway people recommend the JPC because there is a 99.9% chance it will fill any role the user will need it for

the margin of error is so small that it's basically non-existent

[acoustic harbor]

I wouldn't say russia is poor, but poorer, look at their SOF they are on par with western ones in term of equipment

and it also depends on military spending

fucking 30 cents for the army here

But yeah, if you use the jpc and like it, I don't care, I just see no benefit using a smaller carrier when I am able to carry more/have more protection with a bigger carrier

[acoustic harbor]

looks good

[acoustic harbor]

will hold you a while

hopefully

[low fox]

because it isn't that simple

[low fox]

no they absolutely are poor

nobody would say otherwise

they're poor as fuck

especially for the landmass they have

[acoustic harbor]

for the landmass definetly and the people are also pretty poor

but like

a lot of the asian landmass isn't even inhabited

normal GDP Russia is like

11th

lotta export

they aren't rich by no means but they also aren't that fucking poor

GDP per Capita Russia is hella low

[thorny ridge]

russia isn't poor (RT told me that)

[acoustic harbor]

[left flax]

In RT we trust

[stuck umbra]

@calm stone

[calm stone]

based af

[stuck umbra]

Distance is like 50m , otherside of that white truck

[twin pecan]

cute hair

[stuck umbra]

I need to get it chopped off , been trying to get a haircut for 3 months

But ty <3

[calm stone]

Lmao, fem tower

[stuck umbra]

Ope , meant to put this in weapons not gear

[calm stone]

lmao

[spring oar]

Haircuts are for cowards

decade+ gang

[low fox]

i mean

ok

[modest flame]

@heady lagoon this is the gear channel sir

[heady lagoon]

alright

[cerulean kayak]

Are HexMags any good?

[modest flame]

No

Just unlocked tracksuit

[cerulean kayak]

How bad are they? Like I might be stuck with them, so thats bad, just want to know how screwed I am.

[modest flame]

Very

Just buy some cheap steel mags

[cerulean kayak]

Hmm...whelp. shit.

[modest flame]

How would u be stuck with them

Good mags are super cheap

[cerulean kayak]

I live in California and Freedom Week means I am stuck with what I currently own.

[modest flame]

Ohhhhh

Yeah you fucked up

[cerulean kayak]

I just bought a bunch of everything back then.

Since I started going out shooting last year I finally had a chance to start digging things out from the stash.

[cerulean kayak]

Lucky I bought a bunch of random shit back then.

[low fox]

why you holding the barrel tho

[modest flame]

Huh

I'm holding the handguard

C clamp

[low fox]

i mean u have a grip

[modest flame]

Yea

And I'm using it as a handstop

Cuz handstop>vfg

[low fox]

okay

[modest flame]

It has a nice little pocket for my pinky to rest in@low fox

[spring oar]

Man

[low fox]

nice man
how much roughly did you pay for that build?

[spring oar]

I'll never NOT like the anti walk bar

it just looks bad

[mossy obsidian]

useful for frt tho

those pins always wanna walk out

[modest flame]

I got the gun for $500, optic for $200 on sale, optic mount for $120, the shift grip for $80, the muzzle brake for $30

[spring oar]

I mean just the screws are fine but the bars just look ugly

[modest flame]

And the drum for $100

So I only paid like a grand for this

[low fox]

shit thats so good

[modest flame]

Fr

The gun itself came with all the Magpul

[spring oar]

200$ for a strike eagle is dece tho

[modest flame]

It's a crossfire, but basically the same thing

Got it on black Friday

200 flat

I get insane deals on everything @spring oar

Just got hoplite armor for under 400 bucks

[spring oar]

368 with the discount code, yea?

[modest flame]

Just about

I think 376

It's normally $600 lol

[slim flint]

[slim flint]

where do you get your front mounted dump pouch?

[thorny ridge]

isn't my image nor is it my kit, here's the source

https://thereptilehouseblog.com/2020/05/16/review-crye-precision-avs-adaptive-vest-system-part-2-avs-padded-yoke-plate-carrier-configuration/

[slim flint]

[modest flame]

Why ain't u post urself

[thorny ridge]

i only have chest rigs

im a recce-minded gamer

[modest flame]

So

U could still post

Still gear

[thorny ridge]

ah yes

let me Post my Chest Rig when we're talking about plate carriers

[modest flame]

No I just meant in general

[mossy obsidian]

What chest rig do you have

[echo jay]

#airsoft

[modest flame]

Wrong channel bud

[left flax]

Yo I got atacs now
Cool and good

It's all still a wip though

[median whale]

Sexy man

[flint pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848958216569749506/945049138557513759/unknown.png

[low fox]

damn I hope your rig as 3x1 slots in it

[flint pollen]

lmao

i ordered a wooden 74 stock for it but it hasnt come in yet

[urban cove]

Those who have experience with the Crye JPC, what are your pros and cons?

[hybrid sonnet]

Bought my first dirt bike 😎🥰 I’m so happy I’ve always wanted one since I was a kid

[cosmic yacht]

respect for installing a single tile to put the kickstand on

[silk violet]

nice bike @hybrid sonnet

[hybrid sonnet]

thank you so much 😄

[small isle]

sick

[coarse laurel]

Light and modular but expensive lol

[urban cove]

fair enough

[coarse laurel]

Also it’s hard to find the side plate pouch

If ur army that is prob a requirement as per unit SOP

If u want comfort Go for the agilite K19

[vestal pond]

✌️

I'm not into dirt bikes anymore but I still ride some :p

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815924328582348812/871686099116912650/IMG_20210802_112849.jpg?width=507&height=676

[covert crest]

why do headsets in this game make you hear better, do those headsets irl amplify quiet sounds or something? never wore them I figured they were just standard ear protection

[left flax]

Some do, but not like in tarkov

Idk properly tho as I've only owned Earmor M32s

[low fox]

no they absolutely do

[low fox]

yes

[spring oar]

Can confirm, owned both Howard Lights and Razors

It's pretty goddamn neat

[low fox]

they amplify ambient noise, shut out loud noises and increase your hearing overall

[covert crest]

thats fucking sick

[low fox]

ive had peltors, sordins, ops core amps, tea hi threats

they all do it

[covert crest]

thanks for answering !

also nice pfp cowboy bebop is the best

[low fox]

based

[left flax]

Oh they do? That's cool

[spring oar]

Just like in-game, the sound profile depends entirely on the set you buy. They're not a bad thing to have even for lawn work and stuff tbph

[left flax]

My M32s are pretty useless, but not surprised if other better ones do work like tarkov

[spring oar]

I wear my shooting muffs when I mow

[left flax]

I wear my headset when walking my dog in the dark at my local forest

It does amplify stuff but not as amazing as expensive ones I'd imagine

[modest flame]

I need to get a good headset

I just use these cheap ones I got at the local gun shop

Also need to mount them on my helmet

[coarse laurel]

I use the comtac v’s for work

Mount them on my helmet or the headband depending on what I’m doing

[flint pollen]

m32s suck

[acoustic harbor]

Peltor Comtacs are the best headset imho

Comtac XPIs are a big checkpoint on my gear checklist

[acoustic harbor]

isn't it necessary to get a new headband once you helmet mount them

not every time but once

[coarse laurel]

No

[coarse laurel]

I take them off the headband and put them on the mount then just put it back on the headband that I had when I gotta shoot without the helmet

[acoustic harbor]

because the original headband has the cable integrated without removal so I just thought

[coarse laurel]

Lol the headband I have came with this rubber cover that can be removed

But I replaced it with a multicam/ocp sleeve

[acoustic harbor]

that was my plan too lmao

and how are the ear pads? heard they have a small gap on the underside

like where the jawbone ends

[coarse laurel]

Get better gel cups

Also it’s always good to double up

[acoustic harbor]

double up?

[coarse laurel]

At work I double up ear protection

Yeah

[acoustic harbor]

with the earplug mode?

[coarse laurel]

Lol my peltors by themselves aren’t enough to stop me from going deaf when an M1 Abrams shoot their 120mm gun

I have to use ear foams under my peltors

[acoustic harbor]

ah k

[flint pollen]

yea i had to double up when i had a muzzle brake on my ar with any headset

it would still ring my ears lol

[silk violet]

nice bike dude @vestal pond

My babes

[left flax]

I want bike

[modest flame]

Not sure why people are posting bikes

gear chat

[left flax]

Because they're cool

[modest flame]

I agree

But still

[left flax]

And ig it's gear

They have gears

Therefore, irl gear

[silk violet]

^

every well thought out kit includes a bike

[spring oar]

Not quite you nerds

[left flax]

shut

[silk violet]

how you gonna bug out like jason bourne without a dirt bike

[acoustic harbor]

ffs

do they ship to europe?

do they even sell here

[flint pollen]

shipping body armor internationally is a no no

[icy eagle]

the 5th gen though 😩 🍆

[silk violet]

Ye project truck I’m working on

Some gear so I’m mildly on topic lol

[left flax]

Looks sick dude, jelly asf

[silk violet]

thanks mang

[weak nest]

So i got this today

Man, this thing looks sick

Always carrying [400/400] in case i need it

[acoustic harbor]

ITAR is a bitch

[serene radish]

escape tarkov

[toxic otter]

Gear and also kit

[modest flame]

Which ones you

Lookin good you guys

Can't wait for my kit to come in

Upgrading every aspect of my kit this week

[serene radish]

I love gear

[modest flame]

Same

Real or airsoft?

[toxic otter]

Airsoft :)

[serene radish]

Super soldiers

[toxic otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712708776393965638/932131236703506432/caption.gif

[modest flame]

Damn

:(

Kinda got ya own channel ya know

[toxic otter]

there's a mix of real in there too

[twin pecan]

eh

bb wars

looks fun though ig

[modest flame]

Then your good

If u wanna get some good real plates. Hoplite is half off rn

It's just mfs plagued everyone so now there's a channel for it

[toxic otter]

have real AP-Gs from fort

:)

[modest flame]

Not familiar with ap-gs

What all in your kit is real? @toxic otter

[toxic otter]

All of it, why?

[modest flame]

Oh you said airsoft

[toxic otter]

Doesn't mean fake gear lole

[modest flame]

I mean, if it's a replica then pretty much

But if not then

Ye

[toxic otter]

Yeah no besides the gun nothing is replica

[modest flame]

Based

[toxic otter]

Fort Technologies plates, they go in Gladiator and Goplit body armors

[modest flame]

Ahhh

[toxic otter]

its GOST 5 i think, not sure I don't really care either

I also have SAPIs but they're older and probably worse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736321405527785482/934910160948822046/903D701C-AB93-404E-93D0-51FE414C80D0.jpg

The Pictures have my Gladiator C, recently replaced it with my B model on the left here

[modest flame]

Got my jpc 2 coming in next week

Got some new plates for it

[toxic otter]

damb

should've got an avs

[modest flame]

Eh thought about it

Prefer the jpc2

[toxic otter]

Realistically the AVS takes everything the JPC does and does it better

you get better comfort, more longevity and better versatility

[modest flame]

How much more does it even cost?

[toxic otter]

They go for like 700ish now I think?

[modest flame]

Dam

[toxic otter]

smalls and larges could be had for cheaper

like 600

[modest flame]

Yeah jpc2 it is

Only 250, simple and reliable

[toxic otter]

Glads go for like 1.5k and avs still better

lmao

society

[flint pollen]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/eotech-512-a65-black-holographic-weapon-sight.html

you can get this for 350 right now with their discount

pretty nice deal

[modest flame]

Why do u keep posting gun shit in the gear channel

[flint pollen]

because its irl gear

and there is no irl weapons anymore

[modest flame]

What

It's literally right above it

[flint pollen]

wtf

[twin pecan]

your videos are fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrKD0Zx1FI

[foggy ocean]

sick view

[silk violet]

ye i live in the middle of nowhere lol

[left flax]

Get your gear lads, Russia is in Ukraine
Waaaar time

[acoustic harbor]

lmao

he just sent troops into donbass

afaik

[left flax]

Eastern Ukraine yah

Also reports of something being shot down over Eastern Ukraine, idk the legitimacy tho

[acoustic harbor]

no reports are legit, i trust no one

[low fox]

eh

not really

it's not a bad carried by any means but it fills a different role, and at this point is kind of outdated

[toxic otter]

The firstspear carriers are great too

I haven’t found anything that tops the avs yet though

[low fox]

I've found plenty of carriers that do it

With the right changes the SPC can do it

The plateframe M does it

Shaw Concepts new carrier does it

There's probably something I'm forgetting too

[thorny ridge]

spc pilled

[toxic otter]

Spc is nise

i love my 5.45 designs Spartanets 1

cool helmet that’s notably way better than the 1+

nikitia should put it in the game 😭

[acoustic harbor]

How does it compare to NPP Klass TOR ?

[toxic otter]

It challenges actual team Wendy I hear from anecdotal evidence

[acoustic harbor]

team wendy is also NIJ 3A

[toxic otter]

But there hasn’t been an actual ballistic test done by a westerner yet so who knows

[acoustic harbor]

from the tor or wendy?

[toxic otter]

The 5.45 helmet has never been tested by people other than Russian sof of the actual 5.45 company

[acoustic harbor]

ah k

[toxic otter]

So I’m not sure how reliable the claims are

[acoustic harbor]

well do they export

[toxic otter]

The tor actually fairs quite well

[acoustic harbor]

because i need a russian helmet some time for fsb kit

[toxic otter]

Not for a good price, you’re gonna get a new gen helmet for a terrible price

I got mine from a friend who got it from a serviceman

[acoustic harbor]

ah k

u situationed in russia?

[toxic otter]

US

[toxic otter]

Which fsb, I can throw you on the right track if you need

I did Alfa and USO C impressions, I’ll dig up some pics

[acoustic harbor]

I'm getting a gladiator C in mc so I need a unit that uses those

[toxic otter]

Oh from Harvey? The Texas guy?

[acoustic harbor]

Camden

maybe you know him

[toxic otter]

Yeah you’re gonna wanna do Alfa

[acoustic harbor]

I also have some UF pros lying around

in mcam

[toxic otter]

Yeah I know@him quite well

He’s gtg

[acoustic harbor]

I bought from him multiple times

mostly ratnik

have a plated 45 on my way from him

[toxic otter]

God one of my guys ordered a 6b47 8 months ago ☠️

still hasn’t hit the US yet

[acoustic harbor]

is it vaible then to use a MC Glad then doe

?

[toxic otter]

MC glads were only used by Alfa afaik

That’s my USO C kit

[acoustic harbor]

Ah k

[toxic otter]

They use grey glad Cs

[acoustic harbor]

k

but I've seen a pic from 2017

with mc Bs

[toxic otter]

Yeah there’s physical differences between Bs and Cs

[acoustic harbor]

I am aware

[toxic otter]

Bs used by Alfa and Vympel

[acoustic harbor]

thiccer kevlar on teh sides instead of side plates

and a no buckles on the start of the shoulders

[toxic otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736321405527785482/934910160948822046/903D701C-AB93-404E-93D0-51FE414C80D0.jpg

Molle arrangement also diff

[acoustic harbor]

also they don't have a belt to my info

[acoustic harbor]

jealous 9000

[toxic otter]

Bs also have a quick release

[acoustic harbor]

ah interesting

they seem to be plated too

or only 1 set

[left flax]

Love the bullpup PK

Literally my dream gun

[toxic otter]

cant say it loved it tbh

full length PKs are somehow more ergonomic

[left flax]

I've used full length, but haven't tried the bullpup so can't say sadly

But im jelly asf, they are super pricey here

[toxic otter]

i spent near 1.8k on that build to make it not a piece of shit

and it still sorta was

sorta

just unwieldy

[left flax]

I'll take it lol

[toxic otter]

sold it already

broke near even too

so I can’t complain

[left flax]

In exchange for my RPK104

Oh füh

[acoustic harbor]

you could've spend that money on a normal pkp

[obtuse stone]

He needs a friend

😦

[jaunty sage]

Friends are for the weak

[obtuse stone]

What so just solo mag lol

[low fox]

solo mag

30 shots, you'll be fine

[jaunty sage]

Personally I use 10rd mags for my m4 because they are lighter

Very tactically effective

[feral quartz]

lmao

[obtuse stone]

Welcome to you got banned from the channel

[spring oar]

Sadly we don't have channel restriction roles. It'd be nice though.

[urban cove]

:)

[acoustic harbor]

what did you get

[urban cove]

trying out the airlite carrier, torn between that and the JPC so might as well try the cheaper, lighter option first. heard nothing but good reviews on both

[acoustic harbor]

JPC...

CPC is betta but if you want one ok

[low fox]

well actually

no

[acoustic harbor]

It's just not that flimsy than a jpc

imo

JPC is decent

[urban cove]

want something lighter since im not getting the lightest plates available

[acoustic harbor]

ah yes light

me here with my 19 pound armor not even including pouches

Imagine not fucking your knees to death

I need my fucking 30 Kilo Assualt suit

but they are rare af

[low fox]

the jpc and cpc are not comparable

ever

in anyw ay

[acoustic harbor]

I am aware thst from construction and purpose they are miles away, but they are both still platecarriers, and for him presumedly a civvie he doesn't need a specific platecarrier for a specific mission, being the CPC is more comfortable on a longer wearing time due to it's corset system also more modular, I think it is superior to the JPC in that regard.

The JPC might be small compact and light, but that can also be a disatvantage by carrying too little

also with a jpc you nearly have to rely on wearing a belt to get the needed space for decently Big setup

but if he suits himself best without rhe need of that big of a kit I see no problem using the jpc

[low fox]

creamy af

[urban cove]

you are correct with the civilian assumption, my reasoning behind getting a carrier is mostly just for general protection and larping on the range lol, dont need much more than molle webbing for a few extra mags, medkit and a means to carry plates

[low fox]

no you literally do not

dude

idk why every time you talk in here

you're acting like people are going to some shitty warfront for 5 years

99% of people who exist

including you

will probably never set foot in those conditions ever

you keep talking about the need for this or that

but what experience are you articulating this need on

what situation have you ever been in where you can legitimately articulate that you need to be carrying an assload of shit

our rangers are the best god damn assaulters in the world

every single one of them has a JPC

every single one of them can configure that JPC for their mission set, run it to its full capability and do whatever it needs to do whether that's jumping out of a plane or hitting some shitty cave

just because you can carry more, does not mean you should carry more

if you cannot articulate a need for any piece of equipment on your kit

you don't need it

full stop

period

"carry more" for what

[low fox]

dont worry about him, you're on the right track

you're not gonna be in any prolonged gunfights in the civilian world most of the time

average round expenditure in most shootings in the US is 14 rounds or so

90 should have you set and then some

especially if you're not sticking around in an area that's gotten real bad, real fast (which you shouldn't be)

[urban cove]

yeah, i dont plan on that at all😂

[low fox]

like donut isnt a bad dude but god damn

every time i see him say something in here it's always

"get this bulky ass carrier you dont need for no reason because i dont like the JPC and you should carry more"

nobody wants to carry more shit

they carry more shit cause they absolutely have to

not because it's nice to do so

there have been times where i had the opportunity to carry less ammo

and i did every single time

when i could get away with carrying 3+1

i did

and most of the time you can reasonably flesh out your needs

if some 17 year old can smoke 3 dudes with no armor at all and like 1 extra mag in an angry mob and walk away, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that someone legitimately needs a CPC ever for civilian use

or the need to carry more shit for that matter

[urban cove]

ill take that over some fudd that thinks civilians shouldn't have access to body armor

[low fox]

i mean sure

but to this day i have never met any civilian who could articulate a need for a CPC

a JPC is superior virtually every time

if someone is humping demo or MG nutsacks through the mountains

go nuts

[mossy obsidian]

He probably wouldn’t be alive if he had all that crap on

[low fox]

especially considering he wasn't exactly the most fit

[mossy obsidian]

Yep

Just an average joe

[low fox]

a bit round if we're being honest

jpc enjoyer

i mean, i personally am not a JPC enjoyer

[modest flame]

Jpc based

[low fox]

but its still the most utilitarian carrier for its price point and durability on the market

if you don't know exactly what you'll be doing

there really aren't better options

i am a better option

some AR500 and some duct tape

me, an LV MBAV enjoyer

[modest flame]

Found a lv mbav on sale for 299

[low fox]

the base MBAV is great

but the JTAC cummerbund really makes it shine

i got a new one pretty recently after the one i bummed off of the marine corps gave out about a year ago

probably gonna get some custom work done on it

spitfire gang

[urban cove]

did you serve? if so, i have a question that i havn't had a chance to ask a vet yet

[low fox]

currently in yeah

[urban cove]

okay sick, so my question: is there ever a scenario where you keep the gear you are issued

[low fox]

yeah

it drops off your clothing record which means as far as you're concerned, you were never issued it and thus do not have to return it

[urban cove]

interesting

[low fox]

or, you are explicitly told by CIF or whatever facility issues your equipment that you do not have to return whatever it is to them

usually happens with clothing

or, sometimes

your unit will purchase small stuff off of everyone's records that they issue to them

or you come across some based spoils of war

in the case of the 82nd and 10th mountain, that would be crates of galvion caiman high cuts

i got one too when I was over there but I sold it cause i didn't need it

alot of guys did

[urban cove]

well thats kinda cool, i always wondered about that but never thought to ask, and figured things may have changed since my dad served

[low fox]

happens all the time

some people walk with entire rifleman kits

[urban cove]

thats nuts. other than wearable gear, do you get the opportunity to keep anything else? or does it just get reissued to the next guy

[low fox]

yeah

basically anything on your clothing record

if it was on there but no longer is you can keep it

[barren kettle]

does an AT4 happen to go on the clothing record?

[low fox]

no

[barren kettle]

boring

[low fox]

it could be tho

[flint pollen]

no i muted it

[obtuse stone]

oh

[spring oar]

[coarse laurel]

Prob stuck in that tarkov mind set lol

He said the same thing for me as a medic

[smoky siren]

@low fox unit?

[low fox]

im not telling you what unit im in nerd

[smoky siren]

@low fox infantry at least? Haha

[low fox]

no

[smoky siren]

Figured.

[acoustic harbor]

I do train tho, not the most fit currently ur speculations are correct but I am working on that vigorously

[low fox]

im not talking about you nerd

im talking about kyle rittenhouse

[acoustic harbor]

oh

lmao

[low fox]

the point is that you dont need all this shit to fight for your life

a jpc and 3 mags will get9

[acoustic harbor]

also a good reason why I am bulking up, even if it kinda seems uneccessary to some of you, I could literally have a Warzone on my doorstep if this Ukraine shit escalates on a fucking new level. Also I just like carrying more, I don't see a problem with that, in a civvie situation you are correct most of the time you don't need much, but if it escalates, and you are caught with too little mags, too little supplies, what will you do?

[low fox]

99% of people on this out of any situation

if it escalates

and you're still there

you don fucked up bud

the warzone is for soldiers

you'll know if shit is going south

get the fuck out once you know

there are always, always ALWAYS signs

this isnt like the 1940s where nobody in poland saw hilter coming

webs of intelligence networks will have an idea shit is going down long before it does

you will be notified prior

hell, you've got internet

how many countries said "RUSSIAN INVASION IMMINENT, BTFO OUT OF UKRAINE"

weeks before the invasion happened

whoop de doo, 2-3 weeks later the invasion happened

if you didn't take those warnings seriously and stayed, at that point, it's on you

[smoky siren]

TYFYS

[low fox]

nobody should want to stay in an area like that if they don't have to

[acoustic harbor]

I am not in ukraine but Am more central europe. so if it goes like full blone war I am fucked if i don't gtfo

[low fox]

yeah, so your 30 kilos of gear aint gonna do shit for you

your government is gonna say

"hey shit is about to go down, get out"

and you're gonna pack up your shit and leave

[acoustic harbor]

pretty much

[low fox]

and then the invasion or whatever is gonna happen and you're gonna be far away

not worried about getting shredded by the IEDs and mines the gear you're buying is designed for

[smoky siren]

Omg you guys rangers?

[low fox]

are you good man

you've been randomly saying strange things out of the blue

anyway

with that in mind

[smoky siren]

Oh nothing man just thank you for your service like really

[low fox]

the JPC is the most reasonable carrier you could ever buy

you shouldn't be playing around IEDs and landmines in conflict zones

so the kind of protection you're worried about shouldn't even be relevant

[acoustic harbor]

at least you us guys don't have mandatory conscriptipn

[low fox]

if/when you get conscripted, they'll (hopefully) give you what you need

and even then

[acoustic harbor]

tbf, I don't buy platecarriers that often because I need to, I mostly use the shit from my collection, being Either shit, medium, or good tier russian armors

[low fox]

that kind of stuff makes sense for soldiers

but not for regular people

[acoustic harbor]

well our army is stuck in the 70s

[low fox]

if i was a civilian trying to get out of civil unrest

[smoky siren]

Yeah tell em

[low fox]

i'd never, ever want something like a CPC

i want to be mobile and lightweight

and i dont want to have anything i dont need

because that system exists to get me out of a bad spot so i can leave with my family/friends/etc

not get into prolonged fights

fights that if someone gets wounded, will be impossible for me to treat, and will most likely be fatal

these are situations where there is no secondary care system

if someone takes a round, gets wounded

that's it

if you can't find someone who practices medicine

odds are it's gonna get infected, and they die

[smoky siren]

People get wounded in the COC?

[acoustic harbor]

well the other side of the coin is to get as armored to not take a hit, being that here in my country most people have either a pistol, shotgun or boltaction rifle

[low fox]

getting armored doesn't mean anything if they outmaneuver you

if that happens, you still die

getting armored or whatever only applies to people who will have a full team covering their asses

do you?

[acoustic harbor]

maybe?

[low fox]

cause if not i can take a bolt action rifle

maneuver around you

[smoky siren]

Bruh you have to be trolling

[low fox]

and send a round right through your femoral artery

and then you die

like you're adding in all these variables that simply do not apply to you

its just so bizarre

[smoky siren]

This convo is hilarious tbh

[low fox]

people have been trying to get away from extra armor and bullshit for 2 decades

and you're gravitating towards it

and i cannot for the life of me figure out why

[smoky siren]

Have you been alive for 2 decades?

[low fox]

yeah actually

[acoustic harbor]

maybe It's because I just don't like small carriers, i just dunno why feel more comfortable exactly when i have kevlar extras, and when i have a neck and groin protector

[smoky siren]

Holy fuck the comm shop seem dangerous

[low fox]

it's cause you've never been in a position where an any more mobile than you is maneuvering around you and fucking you up

everyone who has tries to shed as much shit as they possibly can or are allowed to

the army has gone from the IOTV

the the SPCS

and finally the smallest armor system it's ever had

the amount of kevlar and flaps ha s only gone down

never up

and it's solely because we learned in afghanistan that we were getting shit on in terms of mobility

[smoky siren]

Did you go to afghan?

[low fox]

we were able to compensate for it because there were literal layers of aircraft with laser guided bombs

yea, for a little bit

[smoky siren]

Little bit?

Change busses?

[low fox]

was there during the good ol' airfield fiasco

wasn't a long stay

why are you so interested in my background anyway

where was i

oh yeah

our guys are the ground were getting outmaneuvered by dudes wearing jesus sandals

and so the army's response was to scale down the armor systems

because they were quite frankly, unnecessary

and restricted mobility

you are going in the opposite direction of 2 decades worth of lessons learned

[acoustic harbor]

I'm more into russian doctrine, that could also be a factor

[low fox]

russian doctrine sucks

and not only does it suck

[acoustic harbor]

It goes

[low fox]

but it's based around motorized vehicles you have no access to

and will likely never used

use*

[smoky siren]

🥾

[low fox]

unless you've got free access to a BMP

or a BTR

gonna be a long walk

[acoustic harbor]

Well I coulf buy a BTR

if I had the funding for it

are only like 40k

what is baffeling to me

[low fox]

you got the crew for it?

[acoustic harbor]

nope

[low fox]

nonstarter

[acoustic harbor]

so you just want to tell me i just should Give up on using le chomnk armors

[low fox]

yeah basically

they suck dick

that's why people are getting rid of them

mobility is one of the most important things you can have in a fight

[smoky siren]

How would you know?

[acoustic harbor]

I see your point there, definetly, but just having plate imo isn't worth it, for a light setup yes for a general setup no

[low fox]

because unlike you, i don't spend my time at 1 AM trying to get me to pay attention to them

[acoustic harbor]

It's 1AM?

[low fox]

the man has questions, and i am answering them to the best of my knowledge

[acoustic harbor]

damb

[low fox]

we're on reverse cycles anyway so it's not a big deal

[acoustic harbor]

yes i get the heavier you are the less mobile you are but isn't their a way to be as or nearly as mobile with a (not too big) of a chonky armor as one with a light carrier

[low fox]

no

it's one or the other

[smoky siren]

Chill out pvt

[low fox]

which is why the decision has been made to sacrifice one in favor of the other

i could not imagine wanting attention this badly

i just couldn't imagine it

it must be agonizing

[smoky siren]

Trolling booters is a hobby

[low fox]

i mean it's only trolling if people actually care what you're saying

unfortunately, nobody does

which is why you're posting random shit until you get a response

😔

you're like that one dude who whenever people are talking are jumping around waving your hand in their face begging for them to look at you

in the words of one ex-president

[smoky siren]

But you have responded pvt?

[low fox]

SAD!

it's okay panzergoose6800

mommy will bring you some warm milk very soon

sit tight until then

so anyway

no, it's one or the other

[smoky siren]

Ooof i struck a nerve

[low fox]

you absolutely did

[smoky siren]

Thanks, i win bye guys!

[low fox]

well that was easy

i guess if you throw the monkey the banana they go to fling shit at a different wall

[smoky siren]

Could you stop?? Your moms here with my milk

[low fox]

mobility and protection realistically are on opposite sides of the spectrum

if you are more mobile, you are less likely to need more protection because you're less likely to take a hit

[acoustic harbor]

But tbf, I won't recommend doing the chobny stuff to other people, I am aware of my disatvantages, but I just like it myself, yes wonder why I am doing the 180

[low fox]

less mobility makes you more susceptible to taking a hit, but in theory, you're more resistant to it

except they'll just shoot you a bunch of times and you die anyway

[acoustic harbor]

I also am trying to get a medium between mobilitx and protection

K won't run around in the thicces most plated armor and a fragsuit

[low fox]

there's sort of "medium" stuff in that realm

the 6094 and similar designs would be in that neighborhood

[acoustic harbor]

my perfect medium would be a Gladiator C Vest, with front, back and side plates also a collar and groind flap

• the belt it comes with

it weighs around 22lbs plated to my knowledge

I still want at least complete Thorax coverage

also i truly am considering a 6094, I like the design

and then i would carry about... 8 Mags? some medical stuff, Grenades, Repair Kit, the usual stuff

Won't csrry 8 Mags all the time doe, the pouches can be used for bottles or similar

[visual quiver]

Escape from Amsterdam

[modest flame]

@smoky siren

@low fox why do regards gravitate towards you

Youre like a brainlet magnet

[left flax]

Regards

[hallow compass]

That one guy looks tall asf

[modest flame]

Lord refreshing is

[prisma meadow]

Im aware

[modest flame]

@spring oar thanks babe

@prisma meadow panzer goose kinda came in, attempted to attack LR, failed, said I win and left lol

[prisma meadow]

Thats what it sounded like

[modest flame]

It started when donut kept saying that you need to carry 16 mags on your carrier

[prisma meadow]

LMAO WHAT

DUDE THATS SO MUCH WEIGHT

[modest flame]

Im exaggerating, slightly, but yeah lmao

[prisma meadow]

im not even well versed in military doctrine and thats just silly from a math perspective

even mag is a pound when full

so thats an extra 16 pounds that you have to lug around

[modest flame]

He keeps saying that for civilian use the jpc 2 doesn't allow enough mags.

[prisma meadow]

civilian use?

[modest flame]

You can get 6 on the front if you use double pouches and that's enough imo

[prisma meadow]

what a fucking larper

im dying

Im not anti-gun by any means

But thats just wasteful

If you are out shooting at a range just put the spare mags on a table you fucking larper

[modest flame]

Well I mean owning a carrier isnt a bad idea

[prisma meadow]

It isnt, but min maxing it is

Literally who cares, if you live in the US and arent in Law enforcement, when is it realistcally going to be used??

Also, LR is just plain right, the US doctrine has pushed for smaller and smaller carriers for years now

Just looking at a quick google IOTVs havent been used for a while, espeically in Afghanistant because they are heavy and the terrain means alot of walking

[modest flame]

I just can't wait for my jpc2 and plates to arrive

[storm peak]

new gen iotvs are nice tho

[prisma meadow]

they are heavy

[storm peak]

work out

[prisma meadow]

no i mean for irl relavence lol

[storm peak]

ye ik

i got a gen 2 iotv sitting in my closest, certainly fulfills its purpose

got plenty of molle to add literally whatever you want

[urban cove]

i never really understood the sentiment that if you just work out you'll instantly be more suited to carry heavier armor lol.

like i understand that its sort of a tongue and cheek response, but real people aren't characters in dragon ball, working out and getting stronger isn't an immediate fix for all the issues associated with heavy kits.

[storm peak]

chad ucp iotv vs virgin jpc2 multicam

"weight is too much, i cant move"

[urban cove]

literally the perfect armor solution ever: built like an actual cask

[flint pollen]

to be fair a lot of people in this discord probably couldnt run half a mile if their life depended on it

[urban cove]

this is absolutely true

and obviously there's a general standard of physical fitness that people should follow if they want to have a fighting chance if they have to use their larperating gear

[flint pollen]

the amount of people who cant even make a fire nowadays is insane

[twin pecan]

ngl I'd be able to commit self defense against any of you and come out unscathed because im a total operator bro

You're not ready

[flint pollen]

people need to get priorities straight and work on a lot more then taking pictures to look cool online, and of course a lot of people are in good fitness and have good skills that are important, but a lot dont as well

skill>gear

[twin pecan]

gear implies skill

Stop coping

[urban cove]

dont be fat, eat healthy, and train with your shit

thats all that matters

[flint pollen]

yup

[flint pollen]

gear implies nothing

[twin pecan]

If you can afford quality gear you can afford to train for the nothing burger

😎

[urban cove]

only time i body shame is when i see a Meal Team Six operator at the range wearing a size XXXXL plate carrier

[flint pollen]

lmao

[twin pecan]

i dont think any quality gear is made to fit people like that

[flint pollen]

ive seen a lot of fat people with nice gear

and by fat i mean overweight, not like 400 pounds

[twin pecan]

real operators are twunks

[modest flame]

Yes

[low fox]

LMFAO

MEAL TEAM SIX

[cerulean kayak]

Finished out my pouches and my larp.

Happy days.

[thorny ridge]

they should be shaming you for being a bcm enjoyer

[naive maple]

do the xxxxxxl carriers have more plate pockets?

[ornate kettle]

quick pic

[coarse laurel]

Them AMP arms are sturdy

[urban cove]

At least I’m not fat

[thorny ridge]

can't even afford hodge lol

[acoustic harbor]

is that a greyshop sherp?

[ornate kettle]

unfortunatelly , yes thats the first , and last replica i will ever buy , my SSO nerpa vest can go throught hell and back and nothing happends , this sherp literally got a hole after i tripped on some bushes

[acoustic harbor]

greyshop be like

[spring oar]

Actually, there's been some backyard ballistics experts tests where fat actually caused the round to tumble more and tear up more of the underlying muscle

It's a super janky test but I'll see if I can find the video

[north lance]

This actually makes sense and I'd also assume ballistics like hollow points would have a shorter depth needed for their petals to spread. Fat is essentially a fluid and bullets aren't fluid dynamic they're aerodynamic.

[modest flame]

@low fox opinions on 5.11 clothes 🤔

[low fox]

pretty garbage

🤷‍♂️

better off just getting regular clothes

[modest flame]

Really? I had a good experience with my 5.11 pants

[low fox]

yeah they're pretty ass

[modest flame]

Damn

[low fox]

really just better off wearing jeans with arcteryx kneepads

[modest flame]

Any good recommendations then

Looking for something multicam

Around the same price point

[low fox]

hmhmhmhmhm

i got nothin

[modest flame]

Rip

[low fox]

vertx recon pants or something maybe?

i dunno, i'd just wear a good stretchy pair of jeans

[modest flame]

Maybe. All my jeans be black

Emogirl moment

[naive maple]

ive barely used it really but so far i like uf pro pants

other than the fly being a bizarre short design, pretty useless

[modest flame]

@naive maple gonna have to wait till next paycheck, I kinda want their parka

$500

Already spent $700 this pay

And I haven't gotten my check yet

[frigid geyser]

honestly, some of the helikon trousers are great

and aren't really that expensive

[naive maple]

for parkas i like arktis

i have several arktis sets

[echo jay]

UF Pro my beloved

[opaque lion]

The Punisher vibes

[modest flame]

Hate the punisher

[flint pollen]

i use a $100 carhartt "full swing" coat, very warm and waterproof, also very durable

still warm in 20mph wind while snowing and 20 degrees

maybe doesn't look tacticool but its also more discreet and cheaper

[burnt tulip]

$500 is overkill

[flint pollen]

agreed

[burnt tulip]

except maybe if you actually do war

and I said maybe

[flint pollen]

a lot of people just like to buy fancy shit to buy fancy shit

nothing wrong with it i suppose, its their money after all

[left flax]

da

finally getting myself some fancy shit

[low fox]

aint no god damn way ur spending 500 dollars on a shitty ufpro parka instead of arcteryx

[modest flame]

What no I just like the look

No way I'd actually buy that lol

I'm not sure what clothes I'm going to get

I do really enjoy the 5.11 I already have

But it's black

[flint pollen]

most of the clothing i own is gulf war surplus woodland bdu

[worn crown]

any night time raiders?

[storm peak]

Eyyyy I got the same ar tool

The bits and scraper tool snap hella easy but the knife is v sharp

[compact dagger]

Ree still waiting an answer from Agilite

Cunts not responding about broken cummerbund

[tall yew]

Bunch of larpers in here man, putting a “med” patch on your helmet like that. Nice. Now all your friends you 0p3r8 with will know you’re a “medic”, because surely you couldn’t have just carried medical gear and helped people out if the situation arose without that patch. Also I hope you live in like Arizona or utah otherwise that tan camo might as well be hunter Orange.

What ever happened to being a civilian and loving guns and 2A so you just buy some nice stuff, maybe a plate carrier rig if you really wanna go all the way, and just being normal. Kids these days are so focused on the “aesthetic” of how they look in their gear. Show up to a private range with that Larp gear and you’re gunna get laughed at by anyone who’s done real shit because nobody wears that outside of the real show.

[barren kettle]

wonderful bait my friend

let’s see if anything bites

[delicate field]

[left flax]

Cry bout it

[modest flame]

Looking cool is what is most important

[jaunty sage]

I don’t think the as Val is is fortnite

[left flax]

The uncensored is so fucking brutal :( all these pics are sad as hell

[mossy obsidian]

Hey asswipe, shut your pie hole

[modest flame]

Kek

[modest flame]

[acoustic harbor]

I have uncencored

mfw crimean era equip lmao

[serene radish]

Me tooo!!!!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!

[acoustic harbor]

want some burned hohols?

[left flax]

Everyone does

[acoustic harbor]

it got posted everywhere

Ukrainian OPSEC is fucking good

[left flax]

Yeah

It sickens me though

But what can we do

This is the first major war with social media, everyone's gonna see shit

[modest flame]

Dm it

[jaunty sage]

Easy solution shut off the internet

Everywhere

[left flax]

I know

But we need to see what is happening. Because its fucked

[jaunty sage]

If you shut off everyone’s internet it would be funny to watch the chaos though

[left flax]

Oh god yeah

Back to the old days of new papers

[river cedar]

You seem like a blast at parties 🙂

[acoustic harbor]

I need footage of russians :(

[left flax]

There's plenty out there

[acoustic harbor]

combat, not just russians in general, russians don't have phones in the army

and have pretty tight opsec

[left flax]

Aaah

[acoustic harbor]

I have a lot of russian footsfe

I've been sitting together with my friends collecting intel like since when we woke up 3 hours after the initial invasion

[low fox]

we’re not gonna see russian combat footage for a while probably, at least not until the invasion is probably over

[left flax]

Mhm

[left flax]

Oh dude while you're here check out the patch I got

[compact dagger]

inb4 just found used tube

[true nymph]

Yeah, its so weird to look at, its like photos of me showing off with a fish I caught or a deer I shot except its a dead guy. Crazy.

[left flax]

That's what makes this war scary as hell, social media

Well, scary for us that aren't in Ukraine

[true nymph]

Its not necessarily scary, its more sad than anything.

This is the first war we will see all perspectives of. Hopefully this will make more people see how bad war really is.

[left flax]

It's sad as hell too

But it scares me alot

We are watching history unfold

And repeat

[true nymph]

It should scare everyone, I mean it just goes to show that a war can be declared with as much ease as it was declared 100 years go.

Just 1 guy says they want war and it happens.

[left flax]

Just wish the human race would realise that killing eachother does nothing

[true nymph]

yeah, this sucks even more cause it was chosen. Nobody was forced to do anything, this was a choice of do I invade or not?

It also shows that the only thing that really matters is the people in your life like family and friends, cause your country can just be dragged into a war and your material possesions will be gone but you will still have your family and friends with you.

[modest flame]

The children are having a surface level discussion I see

[left flax]

Get involved then

You would be a welcome part of the children's group

[modest flame]

No thanks

[left flax]

Then shh

[modest flame]

I'll return to watching

[mossy obsidian]

If anything, it will just desensitize people to the brutal acts

People will continue to butcher each other

[river cedar]

The issue is that with social media people will form an opinion on a headline with no prior experience to any of what war truly is. People with no knowledge of war making statements as if they are in a position of authority/knowledge is going to be a huge issue.

[trim niche]

if anything, its not going to show people how bad war is - some people are too stubborn to realise it unfortunately

[twin pecan]

NO MOAR BROTHER WARS WAAAAA

Lmao

[left flax]

child

[low fox]

I fuckin hate those fucking edits

[twin pecan]

Same lol

[low fox]

you are an idiot

[modest flame]

Mag pouches delivered

Helmet cover arrives tomorrow

😊

[naive maple]

😳

[urban cove]

Lvl 4 plates with a side of smarties

[modest flame]

Nice

Heard good things about RMA

Although my plates are Jew hating

[modest flame]

What carrier you running?