irl-gear

[worthy heart]

Larp

I don't even

[left flax]

Get one of those cool helicopter hats

[jaunty sage]

What like one of those stupid rainbow propellor hats?

[low fox]

that would be kinda sick ngl

[low fox]

subvert enemy expectations

[worthy heart]

I prefer this

[low fox]

spongebob can just hold your earpro

[worthy heart]

Exactly

[low fox]

that’s a useful setup

i may have to invest in one

[acoustic harbor]

6Sh117 finally finalized (picture is mirrored)

[worthy heart]

I just found a hat I need

[acoustic harbor]

[left flax]

yeah lol

[jaunty sage]

Well I still have no idea where I should go for rigs/armor

Literally nobody has said anything

Is there a decent website or do I just look around

[acoustic harbor]

look around except you go for western gear (US)

their shit can be found anywhere

except some of the rare stuff

[jaunty sage]

Ok

Are there any sites that are know to be shitty/scummy or do I just trust my instincts

[acoustic harbor]

for russian gear? depotmilitary fo sure

fucking overpricing shitbag

[jaunty sage]

I just want like a decent customizable rig

Because I need long pouches

For my p90

[acoustic harbor]

Spiritus systems is a way to start

but it's more of a micro rig

maybe you just get a platecarrier

[jaunty sage]

Well I currently wear Kevlar class 3a armor with a shitty rig on top

Just because I can

[acoustic harbor]

what vest you got

[jaunty sage]

I don’t know it’s a generic police rig

It was like $30

I need to replace it

[acoustic harbor]

ah ok

[jaunty sage]

I might be looking into a plate carrier but I am also kind of interested in heavier larger gear

[thorny ridge]

heavy and large gear cringe

what are you even looking at doing

[acoustic harbor]

best gear

[jaunty sage]

I’m not even quite sure yet I’m just brainstorming

[acoustic harbor]

except heavy

large good, heavy meh

[thorny ridge]

avoid greyshop like the plague

[jaunty sage]

Why

What did they do

[acoustic harbor]

because shitty repro

[thorny ridge]

replicas at the cost of the real deal

sometimes don't even send shit out

[acoustic harbor]

except like genuine companys like SSO, Wartech, ANA, Ars ARma

[thorny ridge]

even then, overpriced

they def. overprice wartech

[acoustic harbor]

Wartech doesn't ship to me so greyshop it is

or 39bullets

39 bullets is nice

[acoustic harbor]

I am aware

[jaunty sage]

I think my current idea is larger kit because I just think it looks better than small little rigs

[thorny ridge]

that is a terrible idea, i'm just saying

[jaunty sage]

Maybe it is

[acoustic harbor]

you have to find a compromise

[thorny ridge]

i'm a based recce gamer so i run based kit, simple as

[acoustic harbor]

if its genuine armor go for it, but if it's replicas

no

[acoustic harbor]

you running an LBV or Rig doe

[jaunty sage]

Hmm also I kind of want to go for black gear (very controversial) so I might go smaller

[thorny ridge]

da airlite

[acoustic harbor]

airlite?

[thorny ridge]

crye airlite

[acoustic harbor]

oh god damn

it's really as light as air lmao

[thorny ridge]

😎

[acoustic harbor]

I dislike Laser cut so hard though

[thorny ridge]

yeah i don't like how the PC looks like

chest rig is fine loaded w/ pouches doe

[acoustic harbor]

I'm currently trying to get a Fort Gladiator as most people here know

[thorny ridge]

which one

[acoustic harbor]

S

(C)

want them side plates

[thorny ridge]

kinda cringe + bulky ngl

[acoustic harbor]

it only weights like 10-11 kilos

so light for a "bulky" vest

[thorny ridge]

inb4 steel plates

[acoustic harbor]

Ceramic

[thorny ridge]

good

[acoustic harbor]

Silica Carbide hexagons with a polyetheline backer surrounded by a carbon layer and on top a kevlar layer in a waterproof cover

[thorny ridge]

taliban kit is actually incredibly based as fuck

[acoustic harbor]

very drippy shoes they god

[jaunty sage]

Where do you guys even learn about all this

Just passionate research?

[acoustic harbor]

Yes

and translate websites are a blessing

for me with my very limited nearly nonexistent russian

at least I can read and write cyrillic

[jaunty sage]

Why does Russian gear just stick out to you so much?

It’s just bigger heavier gear in a lot of cases

From what I’ve seen

[acoustic harbor]

it's pretty much crack

sometimes you look into something and think

"how much cocaine did they take to design this"

especially in weaponry too

and it's also more interesting to me because of the availability

[jaunty sage]

Yeah I’m still quite confused on how the p90s magazine was made

[left flax]

inshallah they be dripping

[acoustic harbor]

the P90 was the idea of making something incredibly compact

and it was the best design

it also extracts downwards

[thorny ridge]

hands-on experience mostly

[acoustic harbor]

half half, depends on if you have it or not

[thorny ridge]

yeah well, i'm speaking about myself lol

[acoustic harbor]

and the internet is a blessing to people who seek knowledge

[jaunty sage]

The part that confuses me is the 90 degree turn every bullet makes

Very fascinating

[acoustic harbor]

it's not that complicated the pressure of the bullet being pressed forward makes it turn

or the gravity

but most important the follower

[cerulean kayak]

Are side plates worth it?

[acoustic harbor]

I like them

give you dat extra protection

[zinc valve]

bruh why even use armor you'll eat more shots bare chest

[tulip scarab]

bros daydreaming about moonshine

[low fox]

for professional users yeah

for other people it's sort of up to you

but if you take a round in the areas side plates protect, basically, you die

[real tusk]

If god wanted you to live he'd stray all bullets headed your way

why die tired from all those heavy plates

[low fox]

because if you get hit there, you are absolutely dead

the mortality rate for shots to the obliques is absurdly high

the majority of those wounds are fatal and cannot be treated

only fat people die tired

go work out

[real tusk]

[acoustic harbor]

too much muscle to be treated?

or why can't they be treated

[modest flame]

Should I go with multicam or ranger green?

[visual rune]

unless you’re shot next to a level 1 trauma center you’re just fucked

[acoustic harbor]

can't the wound be treated a lil bit on the field like chest seals, Bandages?

but whatever, if it can't be treated, it can't be treated

[visual rune]

inaccessible bleeds

[thorny ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752843059229622362/942922402956996628/IMG_9810.mp4

[low fox]

lot of meat and organs to get through that are easily accessed from the sides

not something in a medic's ability to treat effectively, usually not survivable

[coarse laurel]

the medic can stabilize you long enough to get help, bleeding isnt the major issue here, its keeping your ability to breathe and preventing blood from pooling in your chest cavity which will compromise your ability to breathe, a heart shot though i couldnt do anything about.. I'd apply a chest seal and be wary of equal rise and fall of the chest to see if the lungs was compromised, if it is then an NCD will be needed to be inserted on your second intercostal space mid clavicular line, failing that im going for the secondary which is the 5th and 6th intercostal space mid axillary, im also worried about hemothorax so i would end up insert a chest tube on the side of your chest by making an incision to let the blood in your pleural cavity to come out and not pool out.

also yes i was trained to dig it out with my fingers if needed IF the round is shallow enough

the whole purpose of the chest seal is to also not just stop the bleeding but help your chest maintaining positive pressure so you can keep breathing

mind you i wont be doing this at the X, id probably be doing this during prolonged fieldcare, if there's no help medevac or whatever available. whole point of this is to stabilize you enough to get you to the surgeons in a hospital or whatever so they can fix you up

also at that point after i do them interventions id probably knock you out with fentanyl or ketamine

assuming i get your respirations stable

[coarse laurel]

chest seals for thoracic cavity, abdominal dressing on the abdominal cavity

also remember, check for exit wounds and if you are using hyfins and you only have one you can literally use the packaging as a makeshift chest seal, ALWAYS carry durapore tape

a combat medic's best friend is fucking tape

[toxic turret]

We used to make our own cheapo chest seals pre-deployment. Plastic breadbags, double layered with tape around the edges.

[coarse laurel]

yeah this is what happens when your brigade decides to spend class 8 budget on shit like tank maintenance haha

[toxic turret]

Opscore fast MT? 👍 chestseals?

[acoustic harbor]

noted

[coarse laurel]

saran wraps are money for eviscerations

or the trash bags

we're getitng into ghetto tail gate medicine territory right here

[acoustic harbor]

What are the most important things for a combat medic? chestseals, bandages, tourniquets, NCDs?

[coarse laurel]

i carry everything

i got the HABC stuff on my person i.e plate carrier danger pouch

the detailed MARCH stuff is in my aid bag

[acoustic harbor]

interesting

[coarse laurel]

I love my mystery ranch RATS

The pouches on the side are traction splints and a Sam Junctional Tourniquet

[acoustic harbor]

how much did you pay for all the medical stuff around

[coarse laurel]

Traction splint for femoral and SAM J for pelvic

Lol it’s free for me, im an active duty Combat Medic

[acoustic harbor]

oh excuse me

[coarse laurel]

But as someone who had to order this stuff for the unit it’s at least 2 thousand

For what’s in the bag

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

[coarse laurel]

Northamerican rescue loves their money

[acoustic harbor]

i think I'll stick to tourniquets, bandages, and chestseals then

[coarse laurel]

yup

all you really need are the basics

[acoustic harbor]

should I get some israeli bandages some time?I heard they are really practical

[coarse laurel]

ETD's are nice

[acoustic harbor]

ETD?

[coarse laurel]

the politically correct term for israeli bandages

i also suggest ACE wraps, you can use it over gauze to tie down wound packing AND if you somehow twist your ankle or some shit you can use that too

you can also make a sling out of it

i once twisted my ankle during a road march and i just reached into my pouch and wrapped my ankle with an ACE wrap and i was good to go for a few miles lmao

although with a limp

[acoustic harbor]

interesting

good to know

[low fox]

it's not the bleeding that gets you with those injuries

not externally anyway

there's a study on fatalities of wounds of side plates coverage areas that the DoD did

and it basically found that those wounds in particular are exceptionally fatal

I'd have to find it again and see if they went over the specific causes of death but

[coarse laurel]

Lol that’s literally what I just said

Bruh

[low fox]

i was agreeing with you

[coarse laurel]

Lol my bad

[dull snow]

lightweight plate carrier users

[acoustic harbor]

@dull snow

[dull snow]

combat shirt tactical gunt included

[acoustic harbor]

pardon?

what is a combat shirt tactical grunt

[acoustic harbor]

oh

meal team six

[dull snow]

gunt

not grunt

[acoustic harbor]

i see a newgen smersh SOBR guy next to him

crimge

even using some opscore helmet

farby ass

opscore is kinda okay but the mounted comms are a no go

[dull snow]

full pic

The guy furthest on the right

That vest has more tension than the ukranian border

[lyric cloud]

Meal Team 6

[low fox]

or just dont run a chestrig kekew

[acoustic harbor]

probably greyshop redut m

but could be actual one

where did you get the full pic

[dull snow]

From some random airsoft reddit post

[hoary saddle]

yall have recommendations for bags under $130

like a daypack

[acoustic harbor]

wartech or sso ones are pretty good, also please don't call the 6B43 zabralo you tards, it was the codename for 6B17 and 18 back in the early 2000nds, and calling it Zabralo I haven't heard anywhere except tarkov

[hoary saddle]

cry about it

[low fox]

cried

[echo jay]

😍

[acoustic harbor]

skill issue

[hoary saddle]

ratio

[echo jay]

[hoary saddle]

yes, i am 5 years old, what about it

[acoustic harbor]

braincells: 3

[hoary saddle]

brian cells

[river cedar]

Anyone have any experience with the new thorax carrier?

[left flax]

MMAC? Or am I brain dead

[acoustic harbor]

SRVV Thorax?

or the Haley strategic one

[river cedar]

Haley

[left flax]

Oh he means irl gear füh

[river cedar]

I mean… yeah

That’s what this channel is for lol

[left flax]

Broh idk, my brain went straight to the MMAC

And yeah just noticed the channel im in

[acoustic harbor]

MMAC is multi mission Armor Carrier

not fucking thorax

[left flax]

😭

Sorry mang

[river cedar]

But yes the Haley thorax

[acoustic harbor]

It looks good, also a big plus on customization but expirience I have not

[river cedar]

Gotcha gotcha just been asking around

[acoustic harbor]

with it ofc

I know my shit with armor but specifically the HS thorax I am not that knowledgeable

[river cedar]

Like I have a chinesium plate carrier but I’ve been looking at some American made ones like the HS thorax and the (I’m sorry god) Trex AC1

Just because they don’t act like a chem light under nods

[acoustic harbor]

you have nods/ are facing them?

also why not consider Crye

Eagle Industries, First Spear, maybe even some Russian companys like SSO or Wartech

[river cedar]

Not facing them yet, but with current political climates it could be a possibility

I’ve looked at some crye, and eagles just nothing but the JCP has caught my eye

[acoustic harbor]

If you care for armor maybe the Gruppa 99 MRS would be something for you, if you are able to get it

it's like the AVS but better

imo

[river cedar]

Good to know I’ll have to look into that

[acoustic harbor]

1st is the plain carrier, 2nd would be the carrier with all the mods

and everything in between is possible

[river cedar]

Right, personal experience, fuck everything but the carrier, I enjoy a little bit of “oh shit” mobility

[acoustic harbor]

?

what is "Oh shit" mobility

[river cedar]

Adding all that extra shit on can limit you natural ability to move quickly and efficiently in a firefight

[acoustic harbor]

like i said, everything in between you don't need that much and I also wouldn't condone using that much

[river cedar]

The weight alone would be horrendous lol

[acoustic harbor]

but kevlar backed is always nice

i think it's like 22lbs without plates in the chonky boy set

would be about 18-16lbs without for example arms and shoulders

but yeah gotta admit even a glad is lighter than it

[river cedar]

I IOTVS I used were 33 pounds though so, not terrible I guess

[acoustic harbor]

(Gladiator C set for reference being like 22-24lbs with full set incl plates)

maybe guess like 26lbs adding the side plate weight

in comparison the B that layers more kevlar on the side

[river cedar]

Right, there’s a lot that goes into it. Are you a side plate guy or no?

[acoustic harbor]

yep

[river cedar]

Really?

[acoustic harbor]

the more survivability I have without limiting my Movement TOO MUCH is always a +

[acoustic harbor]

mentioned here earlier, being injured in the obliques is mostly fatal

[river cedar]

That’s a fair point, and yes it most of the times is without immediate medical attention. Even then the odds are still pretty bad

[low fox]

nothing special

[river cedar]

Good to know man

[acoustic harbor]

I just don't wanna spend all the money on a gucci carrier with front and back plates and then for example get injured in the obliques or get fucked with frag

full to nearly full thorax kevlar is a must for me

[low fox]

the only carriers that are particularly expensive are load bearing ones anyway

[acoustic harbor]

cough cough first spear cough cough

[low fox]

well, and them

[river cedar]

I’m a huge fan of the swift clip style ones

[acoustic harbor]

and I rather spend 2.5k on a vest with kevlar on full thorax with deltoids, groin and neck protector + plates than just a carrier lmao

If somebody here just sees me considering first spear for myself just slap me

[river cedar]

Well yeah. My gear looks like I’m an airsoft larger but thats cuz I’m cheap. Plan on ripping/cutting all the shitty mag pouches off the carrier and sewing some swift clip buckles on. Think I paid like 150 for the first carrier? Idk

[acoustic harbor]

I literally use Russian issued gear still currently am upgrading though (I'm not russian though)

[river cedar]

It functions but… I hate the mag pouches

[low fox]

not gonna catch me drowning myself in kevlar

[acoustic harbor]

you gotta agree dickflap is a fucking must

but I agree too much is too much

[river cedar]

Dickflap is only a must if you’re pulling anything

[left flax]

More kevlar

Not enough

[low fox]

i dont agree that a dickflap is a must

it isnt

i've been shot at plenty of times, and people have tried to blow me up a couple times too

my penis is still functional, and attached

[left flax]

For now

[river cedar]

My knee, well it’s functional

[river cedar]

Speaking of lmt how long you got left?

[low fox]

3 years

[acoustic harbor]

if we speak about too much

good old Voin KM

i think it's like 30 kilos?

66 pounds

[river cedar]

So is it going down this week?

[river cedar]

Over the top

[low fox]

even if i knew, wouldnt be something i'd talk about

[river cedar]

Fair

[low fox]

i have no knowledge of the happenings in EUCOM

[acoustic harbor]

no shit

but I know demych sold one or still has one for 1.3 k

[left flax]

Love how rediculous that is

[acoustic harbor]

it's a mine suit

has it's use

still your knees will hate you if you wear it

knees be gone

[low fox]

hows ur experience with the hhv bump

[river cedar]

It’s functional, when I had to attach the mounts for my ear pro only 2/3 screws actually came out for the tail which was a huge pain. Would not recommend

(Earpro not pictures lol)

[modest flame]

HNNNNNNGGGGG

Buying this next week

[vestal pond]

noice

meta plate carrier I see

[left flax]

I was gonna say why is it so expensive
But it's body armour so that's why

[vestal pond]

it has both the plates and the carrier as far as I can see

[left flax]

Ooooh

[acoustic harbor]

JPC...

is it me or does the carrier not even implement trauma pads

[cerulean kayak]

Anyone know where I can get an esstac coupon code?

[mossy obsidian]

Not sure it’s necessary

[acoustic harbor]

it is doe, better than cracked rib

[mossy obsidian]

Trauma pads are more for steel plates.

[acoustic harbor]

no?

they are for ceramic and steel alike

[mossy obsidian]

The ceramic plates there already have a backer

[acoustic harbor]

the backer is there to stop the bullet

not to prevent damages

armor knowledge

none

[mossy obsidian]

From the manufacturer

[acoustic harbor]

ceramic plates are build the way that the ceramic tiles slow down the bullet and the backer catches it, it does already do a lot of work like stated to decrease backface deformation but the energy will still hit you

trauma pads are there to reduce that energy

like a pillow

also trauma pads are great if implemented right to give you airflow

[mossy obsidian]

And according to the manufacturer, their ceramic plates with a UHMWPE backer make additional pads unnecessary

If you want more cushion great

[acoustic harbor]

also the problem is if there is backface deformation you will feel it with every move

also not great

even that they don't consider even adding places for trauma pads is fat minus

that's again why I fucking hate the JPC

ass carrier

even the fucking Gladiator Vests that have a Ceramics with a poly backer + kevlar use trauma pads, probably more because comfort and breatheability but even they do it

same as a 6B45

again kevlar behind the plate

[left flax]

Thinking of grabbing a 6B46

They look nice

[acoustic harbor]

no

just no

6B46 is just 45 in pc form and worse

[left flax]

I like it

I've been offered one with all the pouches etc for 100 bucks

[acoustic harbor]

do yourself a favor and get a 6B45

before even touching one

oh god I hate the 6B46

worst thing coming out of Tehinkoms production

ever

[left flax]

If I can get a 6B45 then I will

They look cool

But personally the 46 also looks kinda nice

[acoustic harbor]

I'm selling one ;)))))))))

need to get rid of my 2020 prod one either way

for a 2019 one

[left flax]

What price you looking for though?

Needing to sort out my SOBR kit first though ofc

[acoustic harbor]

I'mm do a lil under market price

like 185-190 usd

[left flax]

Ah gotcha, would be a fair while before I would take that tho

[acoustic harbor]

kk

[modest flame]

It's actually really cheap

I wanna get some hoplite armor next

But it's $500 a plate

Gonna have to split it up into two paychecks

If I buy a set with just one paycheck I'll only have like a few hundred left over 🙃

Wait

It's sold in pairs

$500 for two plates

Yea buying a pair asap

[low fox]

unnecessary

[low fox]

double no

let me drop a lil knowledge bomb

so, good ceramics function basically so that there's a bunch of mini ceramic tiles that are so tightly bonded together that you can't really tell

[modest flame]

Jpc 2 is based

[low fox]

bullet hits strike face

mini ceramic tile takes impact, conoids in tile crack and disperse energy along the surface area of the plate

most standalone plates already have a backer designed to mitigate the maximum force of the impact

making a "trauma pad" completely unnecessary unless the round that hits the plate is beyond its rated specification

the only time

and i mean only time

a trauma pad or backer is ever necessary

is if the plate is not rated for standalone use

ESAPIs are a great example of this

they're thinner because they don't have an integrated backer in the plates, so they need a helping hand spread out the energy from a bullet impact

but with that backer they're rated for a pretty solid amount of punishment

the JPC was designed for use with standalone plates for individuals in the special operations community

it isn't a "shit carrier" it was just designed for assaulters instead of some line dude with a million pounds of armor

[low fox]

short stuff where you're hitting a house, killing some dude, and a helo is waiting for you 2 miles away

there are other carriers for different mission profiles

but before saying something is shit at least try to understand the why behind it existing

there's lots of products that are poorly thought out

the JPC is not one of them, not even close

hopilite plates aren't bad

im pretty sure the owner of hopilite is a racist though so ymmv

but their plates are sourced from LTC who's one of the best manufacturers in the game

only ceradyne can compete imo

[modest flame]

Hoplite also doesn't sell to LEOs

Also they just posted a discount code for 35% off

[low fox]

ymmv

[acoustic harbor]

@low fox good to know

thanks for clearing that up

[low fox]

doesnt get better than that

[modest flame]

Righttt

So cheap

[wanton vale]

Old tarkov be like

[acoustic harbor]

it can stop B32 it seems

but how many rounds

and whatabout M993

[modest flame]

Ik it stops up to 30-06 ap

[acoustic harbor]

M2AP is standard NIJ 4

but on the spreadsheet it seems to stop B32

[jaunty sage]

Why do you guys buy real armor and shit

What is the purpose

You trying to prepare a fbi raid or something?

I can understand guns but armor seems

Unnecessary. I’m not trying to be a dick I’m just genuinely curious

[modest flame]

So

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

[jaunty sage]

So you plan that someone is going to raid your home but give you enough time to suit up?

I can see a historical collection type deal

But modern gear for personal use other than a discreet vest that can be worn under things seems over the top

[modest flame]

Well I keep my carrier near my bed

So yeah there's enough time

Buying this to go with it, then getting rid of my level 3 set up

[jaunty sage]

So it’s kind of a “better safe then sorry” deal

For the majority

[modest flame]

Ig

It takes less than 10 seconds to put it on

[low fox]

cause i do this for a living and people try to kill me

i didnt buy most of my armor though to be fair

[jaunty sage]

What kind of job do you work where people try to kill you other than police force or military

Or are you in those fields

[low fox]

the military

[jaunty sage]

But I guess my main question is why do people buy various types of armor that all serve the same purpose

[low fox]

because some are better than others

lighter than others

serve different purposes

etc

[jaunty sage]

I understand that much but people who buy heavy weight old gear that is objectively worse than modern doesn’t make sense

[low fox]

because the worlds going down shit creek without a paddle. i want a life jacket so can at least not drown when the boat goes off the shit waterfall

i dont get people who buy old shit either

but whatever happens is on them

[jaunty sage]

So you think the world is gonna devolve in modern times? Explain

[low fox]

civil unrest has become more common than it has in almost 2 decades

its not a terrible idea

[jaunty sage]

Well a large majority of those cases are morons with knifes and shit

Not rifles

[low fox]

a large majority of those cases involved handgun fatalities

like most murders in the US

[jaunty sage]

That’s just Detroit

[low fox]

the west is showing a lot of the same signs of collapse as Rome did before it fell into dictatorship. given the culture in the US in particular this does not bode well

no, that's the entire US

and it always has been

handgun fatalities make up the majority of murders in the united states

in a period of civil unrest, you are more likely to be the victim of a crime

[jaunty sage]

I mean I personally only own class 3a Kevlar armor for handguns but high tier equipment seems overkill

[low fox]

would you rather have something and never have to use it? or not have it if it could have saved your life?

you have car insurance for the same reason

[jaunty sage]

No I have car insurance because it’s legally required

[low fox]

if you didn't

and you got in an accident

not only will you face criminal penalties

but you will be paying the value of that car

out of your pocket

[jaunty sage]

Hmm I see your point

[low fox]

medical insurance as well

although thats different i guess in terms of how many people have it and why

[jaunty sage]

I thank you for your side of this argument

[low fox]

plates are,

insurance

insurance that if you get into a bad situation where those threats are present

they will, if nothing else hopefully save your life

that's how i frame most of the weapons and equipment i carry outside of work

just more insurance

if i never have to use it, cool, thank god

if i do, thank god all the same

[acoustic harbor]

tbh It started with collecting russian stuff now I generally study armor n shit, and it's still russian lmao

and who doesn't want to withstand .308 M993

[low fox]

im saving for FRAS. i occasionally need to be in a decently sized city. most violent crime is in cities. FRAS would have most of the protection of level 4 but with really good cancelability

concealed armor as a civilian is kind of a meme

no more than armor in general imo

[acoustic harbor]

what area/branch?

out of curiosity

[low fox]

army

[echo jay]

isnt mr refreshing our local spook

[low fox]

think about it like this

overt armor systems can be used as a deterrent in times of civil unrest

"im scary and armed, dont fuck with me"

covert armor is for places that's not acceptable

where there is a threat to overt action

that is so insanely unlikely as a civilian

[low fox]

i could make that argument for walking around with a conceal carry gun vs a service pistol open carried. i would rather potential threats ignore me as non issue and if they try something im protected

[jaunty sage]

Unless you live in Detroit

Detroit is a irl battle royal

[acoustic harbor]

like in the army, wouldn't like some frag protection suit best in armor, iirc most battle casualties are Fragmentation

[low fox]

whats the difference between Detroit and customs as a scav?

[acoustic harbor]

nothing

[low fox]

exactly

[jaunty sage]

The only difference is the language spoken

[low fox]

with how much drugs and alcohol is consumed there, they might as well be actual scavs

[low fox]

they wont ignore you

you're more likely to be targeted

if i need to look scary, i can do a rittenhouse impression with an AR10 or 15 and wear the armour outside

covert armor systems do nothing for civilians

no one is seeking out you specifically and using what you'er wearing as an indicator

there are virtually no non permissive enviorments in civilian life

which means the goal should be avoiding a fight as much as possible

one of the ways you do that is by looking like someone that some junkie wouldn't want to fuck with

[acoustic harbor]

Gear up

or just keep out of citys in general

like which sane person would go into a city when civil unrest hits

fr, you got better chances in the fuckin desert

[low fox]

my concern is a fall into totalitarianism. my goal in that event is to be away from the city im in. because of that i dont want to look like some sort of operator larper. i want to look like a normal civie

if shit happens i at least have a chance to survive

it doesnt matter what armor system you use at that point

especially since state agents know what to look for

plan for what is realistic

[low fox]

if they get a good look at me absolutely, but im not looking for a fight and my goal is to avoid conflict and those perpetuating it in the first place

do what you want man

they ideally wont get that good of a look at me

all im saying is that as someone who has had to wear covert armor systems

[modest flame]

Fuck it

Getting the hoplite plates today

[low fox]

this is not gonna go the way you think it will

wearing something like FRAS shouldnt be too noticable from 100+yds

you're not gonna notice the guy spying on you in a place you'd need covert armor unless you know what to look for

and im gonna go out on a limb and say you dont

and you would be right

making it even more pointless for survival in some dystopia

so what is your opinion of the place of covert armor then?

it fills a niche that no normal person could ever conceivably need

low visibility stuff?

sure

covert stuff?

absolutely not

what is that niche?

providing survivable protection to escape bad situations in non-permissive enviorments

foreign countries where groups or governments are targeting you, or places you just aren't supposed to be

if you had to choose armor that offered the all around protection like FRAS does what would you choose then? i know there a side inserts for plates but that still leaves a sizable gap

i would never buy anything from safelife defense to begin with

as there are high end purpose built armors that exist for this specific purpose

i've been issued armor systems like that on deployments before

[cerulean kayak]

Anyone got shot timer recommendations?

[mossy obsidian]

Your expertise is appreciated

[thorny ridge]

fuckit we still rockin da slickster

[low fox]

slickster is ass imo

lv mbav is better

[modest flame]

The hoplite plates have been ordered

$375.80 for a pair

[modest flame]

Anyone have any pouch recommendations?

[jaunty sage]

My favorite pounce is a Fanny pack

Very stylish

[acoustic harbor]

pretty important are Mag Pouches (ofc) but I would also recommend a fairly decently sized Rip off Medical Pouch

maybe a dump pouch if you want one

[modest flame]

Yeee, but where should I get the mag pouces

Should I just order from crye

[acoustic harbor]

what mag pouches do you want?

[modest flame]

Ones for ar mags

[acoustic harbor]

closed, then what buckle system? open... tacos, sleeves, one of those clip on full plastic ones?

you could also get a chestrig with swift clips if your platecarrier supports it

single or double mag pouches?

combine them with pistol pouches?

[modest flame]

Might just get this

[acoustic harbor]

looks good

[low fox]

no dont order from crye

order from 3rd party retailer

like optactical

[modest flame]

Okay bet

[dull snow]

100 dollars for a pouch

[low fox]

good equipment costs money

[dull snow]

plate carrier , sure

the pouches themselves, meh

especially for a 3x flap pouch

I bought a swedish stridvast 12 that came with fucking 20 pouches, for 130 euro

[low fox]

alternatively, stop being poor, and double alternatively, that gear looks like stuff people ran in 2010

[dull snow]

"stop being poor"
best comeback on making dumb decisions because of a name on a piece of cloth

[low fox]

the difference between you and me is that you larp and i don't

[dull snow]

hope you realise flap mag pouches have had the same design since the 80s

[low fox]

so as far as im concerned, i dont really care either way

doesn't know anything about crye mag pouches

[modest flame]

What's worse is cryes shirts are $200

[low fox]

doesn't realize they're designed to specifically interface with the JPC for the lowest profile and solid solution

[dull snow]

do they suck your dick to make you feel better for bying "supreme" of gear

[low fox]

no, i'm just not poor, or a loser

[dull snow]

clearly

))

[low fox]

clearly is right

you can larp in swedish gear all you want

i'd bet money that swedish SOF is dripped out in crye though

[modest flame]

Might run a ranger green jpc 2.0

[low fox]

including those very mag flaps

[dull snow]

crye fanboys really do get upset quick lmao

[low fox]

i want to be different so i will complain about gear the majority of the world's elite use

im not mad dude

i just don't take your opinion seriously because you're a larper

it's not that serious

[dull snow]

"how dare you laugh at my overpriced mag pouches "

[low fox]

oh no

a larper laughed at good equipment

the HORROR!

want me to tell you how much the radios we run cost?

[modest flame]

Only $100

[dull snow]

oh no, anime pfp is trying to act clever

[modest flame]

Annnnd he lost the argument

[low fox]

mfw someone who plays dress up to look like me when i'm at work tries to insult me on the basis of what media i watch for entertainment

[dull snow]

"look like me"

yeah no one wants to bud

[low fox]

you sure?

[dull snow]

I just like collecting old gear buddy

[low fox]

airsofters and collectors sure seem to love it

they do it quite frequently actually

[dull snow]

source : me

[low fox]

source: them

go and collect more mag pouches nerd

[dull snow]

he really do be upset

[low fox]

absolutely

[dull snow]

pathetic lmao

[low fox]

i am not only furious, i am enraged

an individual who collects mag pouches for his mannequin larp sets has told me that i spend too much money on my profession

i can never recover from this slight

i am furious

[dull snow]

really do be copeing hard

[low fox]

he has now attempted to insult me but failed miserably, as he appears not to be able to use the english language correctly

this is okay though, because after all, i am coping by spending money on my profession

imagine that

[dull snow]

you claim to be whatever the fuck but then you sound pathetic like this

makes you think

[low fox]

you're european

[dull snow]

🤔

[low fox]

i don't care what you think

[dull snow]

oh no

[low fox]

not only are you european

[dull snow]

anime pfps really do be smoothbrained

[low fox]

but you're a european who collects vests and pouches

you pay money for stuff you will never use professionally in your entire life

now that's a hoot

[dull snow]

oh no, I collect shit and then sell it off for profit

how terrible

touch grass you mong

[low fox]

i've touched more grass on a bad jump then you probably have all year

try again

maybe open up your closet and consult one of your pouches for a better insult

[dull snow]

ah yes, the amount of self proclaimed SOF that have been on here is really astonishing

always acting like aboslute morons

[low fox]

a european who pays money for pouches he does not use or wear

me someone who pays money for equipment that i use

the european, calling others morons

[dull snow]

you really are upset about pouches

fucking hell man, you really are pathetic

[low fox]

we've already established that i'm upset

[dull snow]

dont worry, everyone could tell beforehand

[low fox]

say it 5 more times

that'll do it

let's look at the record

[modest flame]

@low fox don't let the poors stress you out

[low fox]

i get paid to do this stuff

this just helps me out

[dull snow]

of course you do )

pat pat

[low fox]

hey shut up euro

[dull snow]

feel better now

feel validated

[low fox]

i'm talking to someone who can actually own quality shit without shittertax

wait until im done over there or something

so anyway

yeah nah we chillin

euros are a special breed of beast that must often be approached with special care

lest they say something even more stupid than those before them did

if i had a dollar for every euro who complained about the cost of something

i would be swimming in unlimited amounts of money

[dull snow]

this man really going full schizo rant

[modest flame]

So the hoplite plates have been aquired, paid $400. Getting a ranger green jpc2.0. now I need to pick a camo for the clothes and helmet cover

[low fox]

oh i get it now

he's one of those people who needs to interject in conversations to feel important

got it

why need camo

just go all RG

[modest flame]

I was thinking that

[low fox]

a helmet can be scrimed

scrimmed*

[modest flame]

Yeah but I could get a RG cover for cheap

So was gonna just do that

Still can't believe I got those plates for so cheap

$376

[low fox]

i'm sort of partial to helmet covers but

eh

i also recognize that paint and or scrim accomplishes the same thing

scrim is probably the move going forward

[modest flame]

@low fox I just don't want it to be permanent tho

[low fox]

nothing is permanant

i've painted lids, scrimmed them, and done lots of shit

if you dont like the paint coat, paint over it or get it dipped

scrim and covers are easily removed

[modest flame]

Here it is in it's current state

[low fox]

this is nothing a rattle can cannot correct

take paint

apply paint

well

i guess i wouldn't recommend painting if you aren't willing to replace the velcro

[modest flame]

Yee

[low fox]

paint fucks with velcro on lids hard

a cover is the best option if you don't want to paint it

[modest flame]

I'm probably just gonna get a cheap rg cover

[low fox]

never a bad choice

i've floated between covers and paint for years

only a matter of time before i see another green hat with a sick shell paint and repaint mine

countless dollars spent on paint and velcro 😔

[modest flame]

I do love this helmet

Super comfy

[low fox]

okay leafy calm down

[modest flame]

Memory foam

[low fox]

ok?

[thorny ridge]

ok

[modest flame]

[acoustic harbor]

god I love that wojak

[modest flame]

bUrNOuT

[left flax]

My trash ass British mk6

Kinda cool though

[acoustic harbor]

FSB used MK6s iirc

[dusty fiber]

i like mk6's

they look weird

and cool

[left flax]

Aye

gonna keep it till i get my 6b47

will still keep probably

mine saw combat apparently

[acoustic harbor]

k

[low fox]

man got war crimes attached to it

[left flax]

Hell yeah

[static vortex]

Wat crimes inbound

[left flax]

Think it looks kinda swag

Ignore the green gloves, replacing black with atacs

[acoustic harbor]

ma boy get some combat pants

also bipod Grip

[left flax]

I do have pants

Couldn't be bothered putting em on for the pic

Also bipod grip works for me

Proof of pant

[acoustic harbor]

no kneepads

[left flax]

I also have kneepads

Shut

Only on my right leg tho

[acoustic harbor]

why

[left flax]

I've never kneeled on my left

[acoustic harbor]

they're not only for kneeling

think about falling on your knees etc

[left flax]

Oh true tbh

Yeah will probably rock both tbh

[acoustic harbor]

best kneepads are still integrated ones but I also like external ones

standalone

[left flax]

Picking up some atacs gear this Sunday with kneepad inserts

So will have both

[modest flame]

I use standalone knee pads and some 5.11 pants

The 5.11s are pretty comfy and super water resistant

[low fox]

My Crye ™️ closet

any combat and field uniforms and packs are procured from this closet

also the based hammock

[acoustic harbor]

UF Pro has better combat pants than crye, fight me

[modest flame]

I'd get crye clothes but they are damn expensive

I mean I could easily afford it but 5.11 is half the price and works well

[low fox]

no, they don't

some of their design choices are exceedingly strange as well

those pants are just covered in random ass pockets nobody ever used

i can articulate what I use every pocket of my combat sets for

UFPro stuff has like triple that amount

I have no idea who or what is driving these design decisions

[low fox]

true

[modest flame]

I'll get a pair eventually

Maybe next pay

[low fox]

but my multicam stuff is issued aside from the G4 pants to be fair

G4 shirts*

[modest flame]

Already spent $400 on gear and I didn't even get this pay yet

[low fox]

A pair of cryes will last you years

[modest flame]

Plus I still need to buy the jpc 2.0 and subsequent pouches

[low fox]

Or a year of hard use

[modest flame]

Dude I'm so excited

No more cheap gear

[low fox]

they're also fire resistant

[modest flame]

Based

[low fox]

so if you accidentally catch on fire it won't give you third degree burns

well, not fire resistant but no drip no melt

There are FR models though

you don't have to do much to a JPC though

[modest flame]

I was thinking of getting the side plate pouches

[low fox]

for civilian purposes, all you need is mags, med (if you know how to use it) hydration if applicable and comms if applicable

[modest flame]

A hydration pouch would be cool

[low fox]

if you plan on running side plates go for it

If you can find Ceradyne MSAPS pick them up

They're the best side plates that there are basically that are easily accessible and inexpensive

[modest flame]

How much are they

@low fox what about shoulder and femoral plates lol

[low fox]

@low fox question, you’re in Bragg right? Does your unit let you guys switch out parts on your M4 like the upper and shit?

[low fox]

Depends on the company, my current unit issues SOPMOD guns so there's no need

My old one didn't though, sometimes armorers were cool about that stuff if people were into it

Most guys aren't though, and the ones that are usually come to where I'm at now

[low fox]

unnecessary

[modest flame]

Oh ik lol

[low fox]

Like 200 bucks on average

Yeah I was just wondering if that shits even permitted. I started letting people do it and goddamn none of these look standard issue anymore

I understand why it isn't allowed though, there's simple modifications that can be made without potentially compromising the gun.

I don't trust most idiots on the line to do shit properly regardless

[cosmic yacht]

They likely copied razers theme

[modest flame]

Wym

[cosmic yacht]

razers Moto is for gamers by gamers

Their motto is for the people by the people

[modest flame]

It's a popular saying tho

Like fubu

For us by us

The point is it's a civilian who makes body armor for only civilians, no Leo's or government @cosmic yacht

[cosmic yacht]

why is that a good thing or bad thing

[modest flame]

It's based

Government bad

[cosmic yacht]

how

if there was no government the world would be in pieces

[modest flame]

They infringe on rights

[cosmic yacht]

how

Oh no you can’t mass bomb someone

[modest flame]

Sbr laws

Suppressor laws

"assault weapons" laws

Full auto laws

These laws violate the second amendment 🤷‍♀️

[cosmic yacht]

second amendment says you can bare arms, you can still own a gun and use it

Of course you can’t just go and buy a m249, a criminal or suicidal shooter would buy one and murder 500 people lol

In my own city we had a mass shooting where someone sat in a hotel room with a shit ton of assault rifles and fired into a concert

[twin pecan]

:^)

[modest flame]

I'd rather live in violent freedom than passive facism

People are going to do it, whether it's illegal to own or not. So why infringe on law abiding citizens 🤷‍♀️

[echo jay]

:^)

[cosmic yacht]

then go to africa

[modest flame]

Rather not

[cosmic yacht]

you just said you rather live in a violent freedom

liberals under pressure:

[modest flame]

And?

All I mean is I don't think mass shootings are a good enough reason to ban any gun 🤷‍♀️

[dull snow]

What happens in Vegas...

[cosmic yacht]

?

[echo jay]

[dull snow]

You live in vegas but dont know the saying ?

[cosmic yacht]

no I was just wondering if you meant to say "what happened in vegas"

[twin pecan]

what did happen in vegas?

:^)

[calm stone]

It stays in vegas

[acoustic harbor]

no? you have pocket amount decided py Pant. If we now go with the Striker XT/HT, you have 2 cargo pockets, 2 normal pockets 2 side pockets, 2 knife slits, 2 calf pockets, 2 ass pockets and that's it, I dunno what you have seen lmao

also you could just get the Striker X/ULT if you don't like Pockets that much

also crye kneepads kinda fucky

[coarse laurel]

i can never get used to the crye combat pants, always just end up reverting to my regular OCP pants

[hallow compass]

People seem to forget that a criminal will always find a way to do something stupid

Also as someone who's getting into gear, what would be a good place to look for my first real kit? I want to start but have no idea where to look in terms of websites

[coarse laurel]

if ur looking for a bargain, ebay

you can find cheaper crye jpc's regularly there

if thats ur thing

[hallow compass]

I am new to the names so don't roast me 😂

[coarse laurel]

its the usual cool guy plate carrier

[acoustic harbor]

meh

jpc is very light

also hella shit imo

[coarse laurel]

only reason i dont use JPC's is my unit and my brigade requires side plates, even though i almost never wear mine i keep it close in case a command sergeant major comes by and tries to plate check everyone

im a fucking medic so side plates get in the way

[hallow compass]

Don't want to end up like that guy from black hawk down

[acoustic harbor]

if you want a decent carrier maybe a CPC, AVS, MMAC, Thorax (Haley Strategic) and LBT 9022

[coarse laurel]

im also expected to carry everyone with full kit so less weight is good

[acoustic harbor]

wear your fucking sideplates

[coarse laurel]

No

you aint my boss

[hallow compass]

It sounds uncomfortable

[coarse laurel]

buddy

[acoustic harbor]

dies of shot in the obliques

[hallow compass]

I was looking at spartan armor but was told that it's bad

[coarse laurel]

lol im a combat medic, id rather have the mobility to save people rather than save my own self

also try doing medical interventions on your knees with that much weight

i can tell you its not fun

[acoustic harbor]

how much is your pc with sides?

[hallow compass]

Oh shit u gotta heal the bad guys too don't you

Or is that a myth

[acoustic harbor]

geneva says yes

[coarse laurel]

its also not the weight but the upper body flexibility

[acoustic harbor]

don't you get some pads under the side plates?

[coarse laurel]

so im working on my knees, bending over alot, doing twists because i gotta work on another fucker beside me

yes i do

[hallow compass]

I'm going to look up those recommendations hopefully I'll find something that fits what I'm looking for

[acoustic harbor]

you got kevlar under your carrier?

or integrated

[coarse laurel]

naturally.

as per SOP

[acoustic harbor]

oh so like a IOTV?

if yes then I can understand to drop teh sideplates lmao

[coarse laurel]

i ditched my iotv, i wear the inserts on the plate carrier

[acoustic harbor]

ah k

Is it still like 33 lbs?

or lighter?

[coarse laurel]

full load my plate carrier is at 30 even

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

[coarse laurel]

i also keep my load on my battle belt

to reduce the weight

[acoustic harbor]

you would be better off with a gladiator lmao

full set w/o side plates is like 20-22 lbs

[thorny ridge]

side plate pouches exist

[coarse laurel]

i have a flatpack on my back with extra medical supplies.

bruh im not infantry

i carry alot of life saving bullshit

so im expected to carry my full combat load plus shit i need to do my actual job

i put most of it on my belt but it can only do so much

[acoustic harbor]

So you mean your combat load is 30

[coarse laurel]

also when im doing dismounted ops i prefer not to carry my whole Aid bag so i integrated my life saving interventions on my actual kit

so its always on me

i also hate getting snagged trying to dismount

[acoustic harbor]

k

[coarse laurel]

yeah ive been doing this for a living for abit now. i tried alot of shit and ive settled on this until they can figure out how to somehow make all my medical shit weight less

[worthy field]

i was going to say rule of thumb is just do whatever works for you and your mates lol

[coarse laurel]

yup i tend to crossload between my platoon too

[acoustic harbor]

well if i would be a medic I would wear something more chonkier to stay longer, but If that works best for you, that's great

[worthy field]

millions of advice could be given but nobody has the same situation

[thorny ridge]

simply replace 90% of ur medical load with israeli bandages

[coarse laurel]

especially on long ass walks

[thorny ridge]

it's on them if they need chest seals

[acoustic harbor]

[coarse laurel]

lol, i dont just bandage people, i also carry meds, i push IV's

[hallow compass]

I am not gonna enjoy being infantry am I

[coarse laurel]

i carry a fuckton of needles

[acoustic harbor]

I doubt

[worthy field]

combat load for 68 should include lean

[thorny ridge]

luh dranky while in the field

[coarse laurel]

i actually use my dump ouch for my sharps container

[worthy field]

if i am dying because i got shot in my obliques i would just want to drink sizzurp

[acoustic harbor]

at least you don't have mandatory conscription

[worthy field]

wock method tap in

[thorny ridge]

fuaahrk

[worthy field]

maneee

[acoustic harbor]

sus

[coarse laurel]

one thing ive learned from my instructors in ft sam is how useful dump pouches are for shit like used needles

[thorny ridge]

WHAT

LOL

[worthy field]

dam wtff dont u just throw them?

[thorny ridge]

do they expect you to fucking jab someone, put the cap back on and then dump the needle

[coarse laurel]

naturally i have a sharps container like this

fuck no

[worthy field]

ohh word

[thorny ridge]

right

thank god LOL