irl-gear

[lime abyss]

I assume

Somalia?

[runic meadow]

Idk actually

[lime abyss]

Always something going on there

[runic meadow]

Idk what there doing over there

I know Germany as been off and on there

He’s a combat medic so maybe U.N. stuff

[lime abyss]

Interesting

Very cool regardless

Ask him to accidentally lose a pair of cryes and send them to me

🙏

[runic meadow]

lol he doesn’t run crye. Uf pro

[lime abyss]

Ohhh

Sweet

I've heard a lot of good stuff abt uf pro

[plush topaz]

Top notch uniforms.

The pocket layouts are a bit odd for me. But I can't ignore how comfortable and tough they are

[lime abyss]

Sweet I'll save some money up and try them out

[wooden elm]

multiforce

fr

[runic meadow]

Super good

[lusty kestrel]

russia 👎

[pseudo lava]

russia 👍

[lusty kestrel]

Russian ☃️🤡

[pseudo lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958610295788552242/963529579912376330/ezgif-2-c0f5bcfec5.gif

[lime abyss]

Sweet setup

[lime abyss]

The humble armor collector

[livid thistle]

now attach them to your body like that banker with the pots from buster scruggs

[stray torrent]

“PAN SHOT!”

[lime abyss]

Lmao

[livid thistle]

this guy gets it

[stray torrent]

It’s truly a great scene

[coarse laurel]

@old portal

I got 15’s

[old portal]

My man

[old portal]

And all I did was buy a new pair of ear pro and gun bag today lol

[valid steppe]

anyone down to play smth feel free to text me

[lusty kestrel]

3 days here and cant read

surely not bait

[stray torrent]

Surely

[old portal]

🤦‍♂️

[coarse laurel]

You don’t know anything

[old portal]

If he only knew lol

And that means what?

[coarse laurel]

My lids have seen 3-4 years worth of ranger school/airborne/RSLC cycles

[old portal]

wtf is p company supposed to mean

[coarse laurel]

So idk what kind of Brit shit u talkin about

[old portal]

Pog?

[coarse laurel]

Foreign

I guess

[old portal]

I’ve did a little soldiering

Real*

No I don’t. I was US we didn’t learn anything about the Brits

I had exactly one run in with Brit’s and it was overseas and it lasted about 2 minutes

[coarse laurel]

Does that mean you are just shit at maintaining your stuff?

[old portal]

We didn’t discuss P company

[coarse laurel]

Undisciplined fuck

[old portal]

I guess I am

lol

This is a really strange conversation with a guy trying to convince us he’s hard for no apparent reason

Cool. You deployed. Lots of us did. I have nearly 3 years worth of OIF time. Shit loads of gunfighting time. I’ve shot multiple ppl at close range. No one gives a fuck. It doesn’t define me. It’s time to move on.

Hold on hold on. Is P Co just the support training group?

[old portal]

Are you the overweight one doing open rank inspections while I was overseas dumping bodies with rifles and frags. Not impressed

[coarse laurel]

@old portal do you remember November Alpha? lol

In Korea?

The land nav range in Casey/Hovey

[old portal]

Which camp?

Is that the one with the cliff face that was fenced off over the big drain ditch

[coarse laurel]

Yeah

[old portal]

Yes. I remember when I was there in 03 when some kid in some rando unit somehow managed to scale the fence during night land nav and fall to his death…he definitely didn’t listen to the safety brief

[coarse laurel]

The old locals hike it no problems since they visit the grave sites up top

This was in Korea lol. I worked with Brit’s here who were under UN Forces Korea Command

For context I just finished being cadre for Ranger school and Reconnaissance Surveillance Leaders Course and I’m in Recruiting duty now

[old portal]

Tell us about that time you got shot at in Afghanistan from 600m across that valley…it sounds exciting

[coarse laurel]

@old portal check my new office out lol

[old portal]

The only Brit interaction I ever had was in 07. Just came in from daytime fight in Baghdad and found 6 naked dudes racked out in our tent. Was an SAS team that just came in and found the first empty place to rack out. They didnt brief us on P company

[coarse laurel]

We trained some UKSF medical folks in Benning last year

I was in an MP unit during my first time in Korea

I’m a combat medic by trade

[old portal]

Beach resort Basra

[coarse laurel]

Speaking of salt on my helmet, this is what it looks like under the cover lol

This shit was scuffed from use

[old portal]

You’re so hard. You must have been in P company

[coarse laurel]

It upsets me but I couldn’t find paint that matches urban tan

[old portal]

It’s almost like SAS

Is that like kids at Bragg saying they are essentially CAG because CAG went thru jump school @coarse laurel

Jealous of?

You’d be correct. I was enlisted.

Not quite

Was leading a 33 man recon platoon in Iraq at 23. Made the E7 list at 7 years after making E6 at 4 years running rifle squad in Iraq at 21

Did my corporal time at the ripe age of 18. Promoted to sergeant at 19 lol

I left as a staff sergeant at 8 years. Made the SFC list at 7 years but got out before my number hit to pin my second rocker. Burned out after 4 years of combat

Considered putting in a WO packet to fly between deployments but said eff it and decided I was done

[low fox]

👍🏻

[lusty kestrel]

how does it go in us army?

private>first private >corporal?

[old portal]

Chronic migraines 10-15 month from a TBI and shrapnel in my hip that sets off airport metal detectors everytime I fly lol

[coarse laurel]

PVT-PV2-PFC-SPC/CPL-SGT-SSG—SFC-MSG/1SG-CSM

[lusty kestrel]

wait whats csm?

[coarse laurel]

There’s some lateral ranks for certain ranks in leadership positions

[coarse laurel]

Command sergeant Major

[old portal]

Oh @coarse laurel VA just put me on some new meds to try for my migraines. Side effect is I can’t taste carbonation. It blocks the sensation of fizz Soda taste flat now. Boring

[ionic badger]

Lance is a Marine thing only

[lusty kestrel]

yum

[lusty kestrel]

anti alcoholic medication

[coarse laurel]

Damn dude

[old portal]

I only drink whiskey

[lusty kestrel]

thats still alcohol lol

but ok

[coarse laurel]

I’m still grinding lol

[ionic badger]

Army did away with it just after WW1

[old portal]

It’s crazy. They didn’t tell me that was a possible effect. Right after that I had 3 flat sodas in a row and was like wtf something’s not right. Found out it’s the meds. Ruined it for me

[coarse laurel]

No white claws for you haha

[lusty kestrel]

whats worse at this point

uk or russia

[old portal]

Never tried one lol

[ionic badger]

We were talking about US military ranks just now lol

[coarse laurel]

We had some UK dudes in Ft Benning that I talked to and they tell me it’s abit bleak

The UK military felt gutted

[lusty kestrel]

imagine having both censor ship and illegal migration

lol

[coarse laurel]

According to them

[lusty kestrel]

how much does it pay for like fresh conscript?

[coarse laurel]

I wouldn’t know lol, from what they described it’s more of them not having the right support from their own govt, that and being undermanned

[lusty kestrel]

lol

[lusty kestrel]

spekaing of army

[coarse laurel]

Lowkey though as a E-6 in the US army also on recruiting duty I’m making close to 98k-102k a year before taxes

That Seattle housing allowance lol

3.9k USD a month

[lusty kestrel]

wow thats alot

but thats because i live in fucking poland and thankfuly not a shithole like england

[coarse laurel]

It’s a lot but this place I’m in is expensive as shit too lol

[lusty kestrel]

lol

where do you live?

beter not be portland

[coarse laurel]

Outside of Seattle

[lusty kestrel]

ok

[coarse laurel]

I need more foreign patches lol

[lusty kestrel]

is this suposed to be some dijouboutit

thing

[coarse laurel]

Philippines

[lusty kestrel]

bleh

[coarse laurel]

I was born there lol

We had some Philippine scout rangers go through ranger school and I got this from them

[lusty kestrel]

lol

ok

[coarse laurel]

Wanna know what’s funny as shit, working with foreign militaries they couldn’t wrap their heads around people immigrating to the US then joining the US military lol

@old portal tell me I’m lying lol

[old portal]

Bro I served with so many Pac Islanders that were in the naturalization process lol

As a matter of fact end of my 07/08 trip we had like 6 guys in my company getting their citizenship. All E4s. Had to be escorted by E6. I got volunteered to go because 2 of the guys were in my squad lol. Taken in the palace during the ceremony. This was at the end of 15 month trip and had lost like 30+ lbs lol. We were all rough as shit

40. Enlisted 4 days after I turned 17 in 2002

[pulsar pumice]

Thank you for your service unc

[low fox]

come in Paris , i will trade mine

[dusky sierra]

the feet pic was the whole point of this picture

[haughty warren]

you like my kit tho

[dusky sierra]

those stompers are quite sizeable

[haughty warren]

im size 46

[cold flame]

Feeling kinda cute, might scav to streets later (this shotgun refuses to die)

[distant bone]

I'm across the mountains from you, in Chelan. You're a 68W?

[old portal]

Lewis Co. here

[distant bone]

👍

[old portal]

You’re on the free(er) side of the state

[distant bone]

hahaha Yes. I feel a tiny bit more free

[old portal]

But ya he’s a 68 currently on recruiting orders

[distant bone]

Ah. I did a similar job, just different employer. I met quite a few 68Whiskeys though, during the year I lived at Ft. Carson.

[old portal]

I was an 11 many moons ago that did LE for 13 years on this side of the mountain after I got out in ‘10

[distant bone]

👍 Congrats on getting out. We both made it. 😂

[old portal]

It definitely went to hell

Quick

[coarse laurel]

Yea

I’m a Army Medical Dept Recruiter atm

I just hire medical officers for the army rn

[coarse laurel]

Also lol I’m In Capitol state forest rn, shit was miserable last night when we were doing night shoots

raining and wet as shit

[distant bone]

Sounds like we're getting some of that rain tomorrow and Monday, which will be good for our fires.

[coarse laurel]

Definitely

[old portal]

It hit the crews working out in the port really hard last night but we didn’t get touched last night working in Centralia somehow

[old portal]

You trying to do too much

[coarse laurel]

Haha

[old portal]

I’m too domesticated again for all that

[coarse laurel]

If it ain’t raining we ain’t training

[old portal]

If it’s raining…I’m inside

[distant bone]

By far the best thing in those pics is the 4Runner. 😁

[coarse laurel]

I was using my wrx lol I wish I had a truck or a 4Runner

[distant bone]

😁

[shell tide]

Who want one

[coarse laurel]

Gross

[shell tide]

🙁

[lusty kestrel]

me if you die it

dye

[shell tide]

Dayummm

We got some UCP haters

[old portal]

I hate it

It was forced on me against my will

[ancient grail]

Worst way to use free will

[old portal]

You should destroy all those in a fire and pretend they never existed

So I’ll put this into perspective. During my time in we had BDU, DCU, UCP and MC. I spent a large majority of it in UCP and practically all my combat time in UCP. In my closet I have a set of BDU and MC. You won’t find a piece of UCP lol

[shell tide]

Lmao

[worthy heart]

I love ucp

Dyed

[shell tide]

Sheesh

[distant bone]

To be fair, the Air Force UCP is nowhere near as bad as regular ACU. 🤣

[worthy heart]

I mean it was pretty much UCP just tiger stripe

[distant bone]

Yep, but the tiger made it way more palatable. I never had to wear any of it, only M81 and Marpat, so I have no dog in the fight, but still.

[pseudo lava]

thanks homie

[lime abyss]

Agreed, UCP is genuinely disgusting

Only time UCP has ever worked

Beez combat systems chest rig

New kit

Temp setup still have a few parts coming in the mail

Spiritus GP, double stack rifle pouch and a radio pouch

[distant bone]

🤣

[lime abyss]

"Tactically sound" 😂

[shell tide]

What’s the difference between these other than manufacturer

[lusty kestrel]

geen

[ancient sandal]

Beautiful AK

[coarse laurel]

i still use my UCP tarp

thats the only UCP thing i use

and i guess the liner for my issued sleeping bag but still

[empty sorrel]

Gen 2 goes rev E and later esapi

Improved ballistic performance

[shell tide]

nice, thanks for letting me know

[raven wolf]

Steel plates 🍽️😘😘

[old portal]

Well can’t take you serious with that shooting stance or USEC patch lol

[raven wolf]

😂😂

[lusty kestrel]

hey ragged

i dont think many militaries actual use steel plates

especialy now lol

like maybe russia idk about poland

[old portal]

No one should ever be using steel plates lol

[lusty kestrel]

lol

what if youre poor

or militia or whatev

[ancient mango]

Man I love spalling.

[distant bone]

That chicken wing though... 😜

[old portal]

There’s a reason when shooting steel on 1 way ranges there are minimum safe engagement distances. Steel throws off and a lot of spalling and it can injure you. Wearing that on my chest directly under my face is not my idea of a good time.

[old portal]

Not sure what I’d be more concerned with, getting winged in the wing or spalling to the face from my steel plate lol

[lusty kestrel]

okay but what if its like covered by alot of kevlar

wouldnt that help?

[old portal]

Possibly could assist but then you still have to take into account the energy transfer. Your body/bone structure is eating that up. Plain and simple, don’t go out and do jobs you’re not properly equipped to do is my best advice

[lusty kestrel]

true i guess

[lusty kestrel]

do all metal plates spall or is it mostly steel cuz its brittle?

[old portal]

I really don’t know of any other metal plates other than steel plates

[lusty kestrel]

titanium

and i guess some aluminium?

[old portal]

I’ve never looked into it but I can’t imagine much ballistic aluminum

[lusty kestrel]

eh theyre ok i think

[distant bone]

🤣

[lime abyss]

Pan shot

[old portal]

Not sure what that means lol

[lime abyss]

From a movie

Western

This guy runs out wearing metal pans for armor

And yelling about pan shot every time he's hit

[old portal]

Which movie. Dont remember that

[stray torrent]

It’s from the same series that we see Buster Scruggs in

It’s called “a thousand ways to die in the west” or something. I lowkey could be butchering the name 😂

[ionic oriole]

y'know
now that im finishing building my rifle, and I hopefully might get a pistol soon

why should I setup gear in the firstplace?
like why should I go out and buy a helmet, cryes, plate carrier and such
like im having some time to think and it just seems like something that may never happen if that makes sense?

[old portal]

You don’t NEED that kind of stuff. Most ppl just WANT it to play around in it

[ionic oriole]

fair
all I think I personally need is a pistol belt with like, an ALS holster, a few mag pouches and a nice set of ear protection

[lime abyss]

just buy some budget gear and your golden

dont break your bank on super expensive gear

it all does the same thing

[old portal]

That’ll really do it for everyday range training

I’ve said it numerous times and I stand by it still, most of this really expensive equipment that ppl buy is a waste of money imo. If you need that quality equipment, it’ll be issued

[ionic oriole]

fair
though the hypothetical "SHTF" question is basically omnipresent
and I can see why people would spend so much on plates, nods and thermals

but I just think its a bit of a fantasy?

[old portal]

It’s all fantasy. How many times has modern U.S. society collapsed? People have watched Red Dawn too many times

[distant bone]

It's for fun. If someone has money to burn, and they get a kick out of it, more power to them. If someone is trying to actually justify it, that might be a stretch. I was never a fan of NVG's, and although I did have a very gucci plate carrier, plates, and helmet that I used for many years, when I retired, I gave them all to my daughter to LARP with while playing CoD. 🤣 I never wanted to see that crap again, and if S really did HTF, the last thing I'd want is a plate carrier and helmet. I'd ditch that stuff immediately.

[distant bone]

👆

[old portal]

I have a variety of kit that I like to go out and occasionally run just to keep my edge sharp because I ran it for nearly 22 years professionally and still enjoy it at times. I have no desire to do it professionally anymore and don’t ever see myself realistically in an apocalyptic SHTF scenario. I don’t own all the wild Gucci shit. Just kit that works for killing steel and staying sharp on my range

[distant bone]

I can see that. Now that I never want to touch armor again, I've been watching PLCE/ DZ Rig/ belt kit videos. I'm intrigued by the ability to carry lots of gear with the weight not on my back and shoulders. I have zero "need" for it, but I'm still considering setting up a rig for fun.

[old portal]

The SHTF larp fantasy is for the guys that think they missed the bus and should have went a different route in life imo

[distant bone]

Agreed.

[ionic oriole]

well I appreciate the input
I'll look into some brands to make a belt setup

[old portal]

I still have my active shooter plate carrier from LE that just sits in the garage collecting dust. Have zero need for it. It’s just there.

[old portal]

This is my larpiest kit just to run for fun. I like older 90s gear so built out a 90s Delta kit and added some civ legal 7 bangers and smokes just because I could lol

[distant bone]

They issued crappy (literally steel...like in the recent conversation lol) plates and carriers to our guys. That's why I bought my own. We got a huge allowance for armor every few years, so I used it on a Team Wendy helmet, and a set of front, back and side Dyneema plates, and a PIG carrier.

[distant bone]

That's a good setup. I like the minimalistic approach.

[ionic oriole]

interesting move with alice gear on a modern belt
I dig it

[old portal]

My active shooter kit was very minimal. Literally a spiritus carrier with surplus front/back ESAPI plates. 3 rifle mags

My pistol belt only carried my G17 and baton ring. All other kit was on my outer vest carrier. My plan was as to don the plate carrier. Throw a set of cuffs in pocket and radio in another pocket and send it with rifle kit

My full time partner was on the team so he always had his full kit in our car. He did 8 years in ranger batt prior to LE and my 8 years infantry we always felt prepared to go against anything thrown against us

We pushed a two man patrol car full time partners my last 7 years together.

[distant bone]

They started authorizing the outter vest carriers a few years before I retired, and about 75% of the folks switched to them. I never did, just because too many decades of muscle memory with the regular belt, combined with the fact that it would have made a plate carrier pretty much impossible. The PC was easy to throw on over the concealed vest, and I just used it to carry a couple extra pistol and rifle mags.

[old portal]

The duty belt for me was just starting to aggregate my lower back. Same for my partner. We both tried to hold off initially after the vest was authorized but it really made a difference after getting all that shit off my hips

[distant bone]

Yeah, there's no doubt it's a better system from a work/ injury perspective (meaning the outter carrier).

[grand mountain]

if shtf those people are gonna be an expensive loot drop when cleetus with a bubbad out sks domes them

[old portal]

Ya I’m really at this point in my life convinced it’s a winning warrior mindset that wins those fights. I’d take the fight to anyone that wanted it regardless of what kit they had. Send it

[ionic oriole]

and if it ever happens would I just be better off with a covert plate carrier and then just running a belt setup with civilian clothing and maybe a multiday assault backpack?

[old portal]

Backpack of what you personally think you need to survive would be suggestion. Screw armor. Everyone’s packing list is different based on task, purpose and skill set.

[distant bone]

I'm of the humble opinion that if the day ever came you could wear and use pretty much anything you like, as it will make about a 5% difference in your survival chances (agree on the no armor). 95% of whether you live or die will come down to your decision-making ability. Not gear.

[old portal]

If shit went down right now I’d be fine grabbing my 30 year old plain Jane chest rig and not be concerned with the next guys gear.

[old portal]

Absolutely this

Don’t take a fight you can’t win. If you take a fight have a plan to win, win at all cost.

[distant bone]

👍

[ionic oriole]

fair
I don't really see myself ever really leaving the safety of my home in SHTF other than like collecting resources like food

but yeah
never really going to happen
still want to make my belt setup for the range though

what would you guys reccomend?

I do see myself mainly shooting a rifle so I'll maybe split my magazines 50/50?
2 rifle mags and maybe 2 pistol mags, and a dump pouch

[distant bone]

I rarely go to the range, but maybe I'll start going more now, so I'm the wrong person to ask. That said, my brother, who shoots regularly, carries pretty much what you're describing. Holster, 2 pistol mags, one (maybe 2) rifle mags, and a dump pouch. Don't forget the IFAK, and more importantly, get some training to use it. I will spare you of getting on my soap box, but as a former medic, I think folks who enjoy firearm training should spend WAY more time doing medical training than is typical. Between the two skill sets, one will be utterly useless 99.9999% of the time, and the other you will use many times throughout your life, and can make a significant impact. Take a CPR/ First aid class, then take a First Responder class. If you get the bug, take a full blown EMT-B class. Valuable stuff that will just be infinately more usefull in life or in SHTF than split times on an M4.

[ionic oriole]

about the IFAK
is it super necessary for someone like me?
it's not like someone is going to get hit by enemy fire while at the indoor range

but yeah I should definitely take a CPR class

[distant bone]

Like I said, I'm incredibly biased. But my opinion is that if a person trains to take a life, they need to train to save one. IFAKs are necessary for life in general...your car should have one, your house should have one, and your range belt should have one. Yes, folks get injured on shooting ranges regularly. But even if that weren't the case, there's just no point in training and using an item designed to put holes in people unless you carry gear and training to plug them back up.

[ionic oriole]

Fair take
are first aid classes like an online thing or a physical thing you have to attend?

[distant bone]

The two main providers are AHA (American Heart Association) and the Red Cross. Both of them I believe now offer an online component, but require in-person skills test to actually be certified. CPR training is great, but in-person training for first aid is vital.

[grand mountain]

the funny thing that prepper guys forget is that even if you get hit with a plate carrier on there's a significant chance you still die without advanced medical care

and I doubt most of these prepper guys know how to reset a compound fractured ribcage and fix the lung under it at the same time

[distant bone]

OK, getting on my soapbox now: 🤣 I just got irritated that during an entire career of firearms training, so few people made any effort at all to get medical training. And you watch the most high-speed door kicker just freeze up once holes start appearing in people and it's time to start patching them. Like bro...you carry an M4 and SWAT ninja gear, and your mind goes to water and rushes out your ears when your buddy or the baddie start bleeding. I can't wrap my head around the mindset of someone who trains in firearms and doesn't train in medical.

[grand mountain]

literally as soon as i got money and was old enough i learned to patch people up to at least a reasonable degree lol

[distant bone]

👍

[grand mountain]

I can do most things that don't involve narcotics

[distant bone]

That's really all that's needed. Paramedics like to be cool, but the truth is BLS saves way more lives than ALS, when it comes to trauma.

[grand mountain]

yeah fr

i can do a bit of ALS but I need to get recertified

[old portal]

I think IFAK is the most important piece of equipment you can have at a range. A range, specifically around unknown skill set strangers is a high risk environment. An IFAK with even basic trauma knowledge can save a life if an accident occurs. Why not have it just in case.

[grand mountain]

My certs have probably expired, I can't remember how long they lasted

[distant bone]

And then it's a matter of who's license you're operating under. I let me ALS expire and found I wasn't hampered by it.

[distant bone]

👍

[ionic oriole]

yeah I was reminded by how stupid people can be at times
and P320 owners

[distant bone]

Too soon! 🤣

[grand mountain]

for halloween I'll be dressing up as a eunuch

it involves appendix carrying a sig

[distant bone]

I'm not ashamed to eat crow. I was a P320 armorer (and Classic Series SIG), and initially I was massively on the P320 bandwagon. I will say, I still think that the P365 is an amazing piece of kit.

[grand mountain]

you should never be ashamed to admit you were wrong at one point

do you know how many people are just incapable of changing their opinions on things when better info is presented lol

that's the real shame

[distant bone]

Oh, for sure.

[grand mountain]

I personally have no clue on the 365 so I can't really speak on it

[ionic oriole]

the P365 X macro seems like a fine handgun and I wanted one for a bit
though im a bit skeptical of sig

[grand mountain]

I kind of don't trust sig at all anymore, purely for the way they handled the 320 problems. If they'd just owned the mistake and fixed it that'd be one thing

but now I kinda have doubts for everything from them

[distant bone]

To be fair, that's happened with a LOT of gun companies over the years, including Glock, but yeah, it does leave a sour taste in the mouth.

[old portal]

I left law enforcement pushing two years ago and joined the railroad and now work for one of if not the largest railroads in the world. During a training course at the beginning of the year during end of course evaluations one of my course critiques was all new hire training programs should include basic first aid/CPR cert..within a month every class from there on out there is a day dedicated to certification of CPR of all new hires. I can’t understand why it wasn’t a thing until then. I’m currently pushing to have trauma medical kits installed on every locomotive. Railroad is easy but accidents are unforgiving.

[grand mountain]

Railway work is fucking dangerous

[distant bone]

I like it! Good for you, that's truly awesome.

[grand mountain]

not having everyone able to at least do some basic medical is kinda crazy

The horror stories that come out of railroad work is actually haunting, even if it's not super common when it does happen it's bad

[old portal]

It was insane that the new hire class is like 15 days out of state program and didn’t have any medical portion.

[distant bone]

That really is alarming. I mean nannies and bus drivers have to have the cert.

[ionic oriole]

trains seem VERY unforgiving
is there much you can do in a line of work that could remove entire limbs with ease
tourniquets and other things save lives but can it do much for someone who's been crushed by a 70+ ton chunk of metal?

[old portal]

Ya an injury is usually one of a very few things and on extreme spectrums. Twisted ankle…amputation/death

[grand mountain]

I'm not sure if it was true but i read a story where a guy was sandwiched between the couplers of 2 cars and they basically coupled through him

[distant bone]

Bugging out for the night. Good chatting with you two. 👍

[grand mountain]

he was still alive so they called the priest and his family to give last rites and say goodbyes and shit and he died right after they pulled em

[ionic oriole]

Goodnight 👋

[grand mountain]

Have a good one homie

[old portal]

That’s happened in multiple occasions throughout the years

[grand mountain]

yeah that shits gruesome

[old portal]

Ya I’ve seen a lot of gruesome stuff in my life and I hope that’s one I never have to add to the list

[ionic oriole]

now I definitely feel like getting an IFAK for the belt now
maybe some nausea bags too

looking at the flatline fiber co IFAK
they also make the sling I have on my rifle

fill kit comes with

[sullen laurel]

ye i have a pouch like this on my belt and full kit in my car when i go range, most important thing to have + tourniquet on belt

the one on the belt looks like a kebab, if i open it it wont close again but it's there for an actual emergency

[lusty kestrel]

funny name

honestly preppers in america are quite dumb

like if america colapses youre probably gona die anyway

if it was somewhere like cambodia or a place with military coups etc then makes sense

but fucking america wihch is a very stable country is ehhh

[lusty kestrel]

very fashionable in england

[coarse laurel]

lol I get annoyed when the infantry kids don’t pay attention during CLS and TC3 training for this very reason

[old portal]

But sarge why do we need to know this stuff…there’s no war happening and we have a doc

[coarse laurel]

Because I can die

I’m an easy fucking target

lol

They aim for the guys with the antenna or the biggest backpack

[old portal]

It’s one of those were too far removed from combat again things. Not enough combat patches and badges running around to keep the lessons learned alive

[coarse laurel]

People also got used to the GWOT way of doing things where air medevac is easily accessible

Near peer you will end up sitting at the CCP for a long time

Next war air will be black most of the time

[old portal]

Our guys always took the medical stuff serious because they were being forced to do it real world and they carried those lessons on

[distant bone]

👍 Yeah, it figures that with your MOS you'd be as frustrated as I am. lol

[ionic oriole]

looking at getting one of these battle belts (and the inner belt) from defense mechanisms
and these magazines from essatc

[distant bone]

There are a lot of great inner/outer battle belt companies these days. Mine is a Warrior Poet Society rebranded take, but there are others that are just as good. Those Esstac KYWI pouches are what pretty much everyone uses for DA type stuff. I love mine, but I would recommend not doing the piggyback style like you have linked. It's personal preference, but I prefer the standalone double pistol pouch and then one or two single rifle pouches. They stick out less far from your body, and when you remove a rifle mag the pistol mag in front would flop a bit, and it's just plain easier to grab and index a pistol mag that doesn't have a rifle mag behind it.

[ionic oriole]

Thats fair
though I do imagine my pistol belt being like "rifleman"-ish?
I dont want to clutter my waist with multiple pouches when I could simply stack them ontop of one another

I also have a smaller waist so I have to save space where I can

[distant bone]

So there are two ways of looking at it. If you want a Direct Action "go fast" type rig, then sacrifice more space around your waste and carry fewer mags. A single pouch will just be much faster and better to repeatedly pull from in training and in use. If you're going for a heavier loadout, then honestly a "battle belt" would not be my choice. If you want volume over speed, I'd go for a full-blown padded warbelt, or even better yet a British PLCE.

[ionic oriole]

I was looking at a warbelt for a while with suspenders but I figured why not go for something lighter and more practical for range use

[distant bone]

Yep, and that's the tradeoff. Speed vs comfort and carry capacity. You can have one, but not both.

[lime abyss]

I use a British PLCE, great piece of kit 100% recommend

[distant bone]

👍 My next rig will very likely be a JayJay's "chamelon" belt kit.

[ionic oriole]

however for the battle belt it'd probbaly be better suited for speed and range shooting and it's not that much either
3 mags of 5.56 and 3 pistol mags

and I think i'd be fine with the stacked magazines if I just
train with them

[distant bone]

Now THAT's a rifleman rig. :D

[lime abyss]

Compared to my chest rig

[distant bone]

My recommendation would still be a double pistol mag, with maybe a double or triple AR pouch behind that on the belt. I still wouldn't stack, but that's just me.

[lime abyss]

Still getting stuff for it pretty temporary setup

[ionic oriole]

I'll figure out what works best for me with experimenting with the belt

nothing is really perfect the first time

[lime abyss]

Are you a lanky guy or more built

[ionic oriole]

lankier side

[lime abyss]

alright I don't recommend carrying a super bulky kit then

[ionic oriole]

i mean is it bulky?
3 magazines doesnt seem like alot

[lime abyss]

You can but it'll be pretty awkward

[lime abyss]

Like, stacking shit on top of each other and overloading

Keep it to your body

[distant bone]

Very true. Many of us have changed a lot over time. I just look at it like this, if you're to the point of needing a pistol reload, there is absolutely nothing in the world you want to be able to do faster or more efficiently. 🤣

[lime abyss]

The reason why I like the PLCE belt kit is because it stays close to your body while allowing maximum carry load for most scenarios

Don't be like the Russians in Ukraine with super bulky plate carriers carrying 12+ mags

[ionic oriole]

I wanted a similar system though albeit with a more modern "botique" option
the carcajou tactical webbing system

though I did have a little chat last night about the practicality of having an entire kit being excessive?

so I want a pistol belt now

[lime abyss]

Carcajou makes good stuff

Just go with whatever you want man

But remember what "mission" you are carrying out and what your kit is built for

Don't be like the guys that build their kit on Instagram larpers

[ionic oriole]

theres just so many options and things I could do
im at that age where im finally being able to make the stuff I wanted and enter the shooting/gear space

[distant bone]

So, I was part of the convo last night, and if we're talking about the same thing, it was plate carriers and helmets that we were mainly saying was overkill. A belt kit might be overkill too, it totally depends on what you want it for. If you're just looking for something fun at the range, then yep, I think a battle belt with a few mags is perfect. If you're thinking hiking with a combat loadout, sustainment, a belt kit is the way to go. Crossfire, Carcajou, and JayJay's are the best in the business for belt kits.

[lime abyss]

Appalachia is perfect for belt kit

[distant bone]

Agreed

[lime abyss]

Thats my backyard

Stay light and mobile

[ionic oriole]

like
im a bit lost when there so many options when it comes to gear
and so many configurations

[lime abyss]

Think of your environment

Urban, rural?

[ionic oriole]

and then theres practaility and not looking like a goofball at the range

[lime abyss]

Build your kit off use and scenario not necessarily looks

[ionic oriole]

Suburban with forest outskirts and alot of lakes/ponds and stuff

[lime abyss]

Okay

So rural-ish

In that ballpark

Id recommend a chest rig honestly

Something that can hold 4+ mags plus the addition of extra mags + an ifak and add-ons

[ionic oriole]

the issue is
where will I use this gear?
I only have indoor ranges at my disposal

[lime abyss]

if you only want to use this for a range just get minimalized gear

[ionic oriole]

hence kinda why I wanted the battle belt

[lime abyss]

Range belt + plate carrier

That's perfectly fine

[plush topaz]

Doesn't matter. Wear it around your house. Naked.

[lime abyss]

Hell yeah 🤣

[distant bone]

🤣

[lime abyss]

I literally never use my plates despite that being the first thing I bought

I always returned to my chest rig and belt kit

Pro tip: don't get shot in the first place

Trust me after wearing plates for the first time in the summer made me reconsider why I even bought them in the first place 😂

[ionic oriole]

yeah I live down in the hellhole Florida so I definitely dont want to wear plates

[lime abyss]

Hell no

Yeah

Stick with a chest rig

Honestly

[ionic oriole]

like the look of webbing gear more

[lime abyss]

Good point

[plush topaz]

Not memes allowed but this is too relevant.

[lime abyss]

Well before you spend a shit load of money on an expensive piece of kit buy a shittier version and run it to see how you like it

[lime abyss]

😂

[ionic oriole]

only if I could relate
yet

[plush topaz]

See this is the financially sound way of doing this.

But we all know how that ends up working out

[lime abyss]

The broke person way of doing it

[lime abyss]

"just a plate carrier"

*Winds up spending 4k on nods

[ionic oriole]

BUTTT
I do use my rifle scope to peep at how much time is left on my air fryer from all the way from my room

[plush topaz]

Nods and thermals. Oy vey

[plush topaz]

See now that is practical

[lime abyss]

Dude nods and thermals are the way to go now

I've been saying this forever

Glad to see you on that

[plush topaz]

I'm really happy I went with this setup my last deployment. It was immensely useful.

[lime abyss]

Oh I bet

Thermals are a game changer

I can't even touch thermals rn 😂

[ionic oriole]

if I ever got nods i'd probably get like a fusion device like this

[lime abyss]

That's gonna be a while till I get some

[lime abyss]

Just steal some nods off a national guard guy they're used to leaving their shit all over the place anyway

[ionic oriole]

mh
why not just take a bradley

the 25mm bushmaster would be a great addition to my aresenal

[lime abyss]

Be like that one German dude who had a panther in his garage

[plush topaz]

I wonder how many Russian tanks are in Ukrainian farmers garages

[lime abyss]

At least 2 per family

Bmp for daily commute and T72 for off-road

[plush topaz]

His and hers

[lime abyss]

Bmp works well if you have kids

Watch your head

[plush topaz]

I was just writing that lol

[lime abyss]

Lmao

[ionic oriole]

but yeah if we could go back to the pistol belt
I dont really see the issue with the piggyback style magazines
they dont seem that hard to use and that much slower?

[plush topaz]

I don't know what a piggyback magazine is sorry

[ionic oriole]

oh it's like this

(this is the taller one so the pistol mag can be placed higher up)

[plush topaz]

Oh I have a few inserts like that.

But they go in one of my carriers. Not on a belt

I have actual pouches like that on my belt i don't use the pistol one lol

[ionic oriole]

would you consider them any slower or the same speed as drawing from a seperate pouch or

since that was something Acadia brought up

but im sure it's like a training thing

[plush topaz]

I don't know. Drawing while getting shot at throws all that crap out the window

It definitely saves real estate on your belt though

[ionic oriole]

like I would do seperate pouches but I'm a smaller build so
seperate pouches would get pushed further back from the ideal drawing spot

[plush topaz]

There we go. Found a pic

I go for that magazine first always. And my dump pouch is right behind it

[real thorn]

agilite </3

[plush topaz]

[lusty kestrel]

mfs will spend 30k on nvgs nad a helmet and like 5k on plates just to never wear em

[plush topaz]

What plates cost 5k

But yes your point stands lol.

[lusty kestrel]

Idk but theyd prolly buy a "experimental"plate (scan)

Dcam

Scam

[plush topaz]

[lusty kestrel]

like

the reason im such a cheap fuck

is because im probably never gona use it

[plush topaz]

That's not cheap. That's financially competent

[lusty kestrel]

yeah true

[lusty kestrel]

i wana get this buh

[plush topaz]

Drill a couple holes in it and hang it from a tree!

[raven wolf]

Just use a solid steel plate, yes the ricochet could cause a round to fly up and hit you in the neck, yes… the inertia from the round could fracture ribs but just throw some Kevlar behind it and your good

[lusty kestrel]

yknow

aluminium plates would be fun

like 5mm good aluminium is probably equivilant to like 2mm steel

[minor oyster]

Yes rounds reflect into you arms and stuff too if it’s a hp round so it’s not recommended to use steel for that reason

[lusty kestrel]

wouldnt hp roudns get fucking anihilated by any plate

[minor oyster]

All fragments would explode outwards

[lusty kestrel]

mm

meh

[minor oyster]

Neck, arms and even legs if you’re unlucky

[lusty kestrel]

oh wlel

well

[lusty kestrel]

cant that also happen with ceramic sorta

[minor oyster]

Yes but way more chance of catching it

[lusty kestrel]

meh

lets be real if i was going to get shot im most likely going to die

lol

[minor oyster]

Or steel can even send it into an friendlys behind your too

lol true

[fading lark]

They should have small angles or fragment dispersion on the top part so no spall comes in contact with the neck or face

[minor oyster]

Some do but I don’t see that all the time

[prisma lintel]

Those Israelis really know how to make gear

[plush topaz]

Stop copying me

[lime abyss]

What are those pants?

Those look pretty nice

[plush topaz]

Arcteryx leaf

[lime abyss]

Yikes never mind

I won't even look at Arc'teryx prices

😂

[old portal]

You guys cautiously optimistic about this ceasefire? I’m hoping for the best for you boys

[plush topaz]

I'm just happy everyone left alive went home. Thanks Donnie T

[plush topaz]

They only sell to mil or Leo. If you have any pals, they can order for you. Usually discounted.

[lime abyss]

Found some on eBay for 800$

A bit out of the price range

[plush topaz]

US?!

Holy crap lmao

[lime abyss]

Yeah

[plush topaz]

They're like half that new

[lime abyss]

I know a guy who was 82nd

I'm sure he can get me some

[old portal]

Me too brother. Hope it all finds a permanent solution one of these days

[lime abyss]

Same route I'm going here in a year or so

[plush topaz]

They won't disarm. So the show goes on.

[plush topaz]

You want to join the airborne? Hooah (I think that's what you yanks say)

[old portal]

Most likely but I’m hopeful forces better outcome than the other 20 times

[lime abyss]

Hell yeah, talking with a recruiter rn, just finishing school and I'm off

[lime abyss]

Oh boy

[old portal]

For the love of god only the POGs say that lol.

[plush topaz]

Sorry

The hell do I know

[prisma lintel]

Are you a Jew? I cosplay as one basically.

Lol

I wanna get their belt

[lusty kestrel]

yo man

i saw that russian guys have some like kevlar clothing whatev

the fsb or whatev

does west or whatev have any equivilant?

[plush topaz]

[plush topaz]

Dunno!

[lusty kestrel]

oh well

[livid thistle]

@plush topaz you ever use any ufpro clothing, pants specifically?

[lusty kestrel]

cool camo

[worthy heart]

Solid pants

My boss has a pair

[plush topaz]

I personally do not. But a lot of my guys do. Excellent uniforms. Top notch. I just don't like the pocket layouts. Personal preference.

[livid thistle]

thank you both

[raven wolf]

I was 15 and built like a toothpick

[silent prawn]

Fuckin sick dude

[plush topaz]

Lebanon?

[raven wolf]

🇸🇨 👌🏻

[lusty kestrel]

bipod slid off like a thought of a russian lover

or well guy who loves russia

[plush topaz]

My brother

[lusty kestrel]

hungary\

[minor oyster]

This look absolutely fantastic 👌😮‍💨

[plush topaz]

Druze

[lusty kestrel]

whar

[plush topaz]

That is the druze flag

[lusty kestrel]

no thats seycheles

[plush topaz]

Trust me.

[blazing glacier]

My buddy makes some cool JPC clones

[raven wolf]

❤️ Surreal every time I hiked, camped out there, I've traveled a lot in my lifetime but nothing captures beauty, nature and serenity quite like the mountains and cedars of Lebanon. Cheers!

[raven wolf]

❤️ habibi ✡️ 🇸🇨

[plush topaz]

🫡

[slate trout]

zryachiy antlers

[low fox]

what is this flag ?

[lusty kestrel]

i know how to solve a big chunk of conflicts in the world

just get rid of the middile east

middle

[low fox]

Would you guys say that it’s a viable tactic to shine an IR flashlight into the eyes of enemies to blind their night vision equipment? What I’m asking is couldn’t you blind someone’s optics by shining it into them?

[plush topaz]

Yes. That is a very common border security tactic.

The Lebanese army uses insanely powerful floods pointed towards the Israeli side at night. We could never get a good look at their operations at night unless using thermals.

[low fox]

aight cool because I have a sightmark wraith 4k and it comes with a IR flashlight and its pretty bright so I think its more than capable of doing that (when I say bright I mean through the scope)

I put it on my Springfield Hellion

Idk wether to call it the VHS-2 or the hellion

[plush topaz]

I probably wouldn't do that on an infantry level. You'll give away your position.

But ir lights are super useful regardless

[low fox]

Its strictly desperate measures, but I have it set on the right side of my handguard with the button easily accessible by my left hands thumb

So I can toggle it pretty fast

It has 3 brightness settings though, then it turns off which I dont really like but oh well

[slate trout]

my 2nd tarkov cosplay is done

tagilla is probably next. tbd

[livid thistle]

nonsense, you just need an ir light on your nods powerful enough to blind the opfor so they cant use theirs

[plush topaz]

[plush topaz]

Does that even exist

My admin light on my nods can barely light up a thing

But that's all they're for really. Just basic indoor or starless nights

[livid thistle]

just get an ir filter for this thing and tape it to your helmet 😂

[plush topaz]

Ain't no ir filter stopping that

[ashen edge]

Does Anyone have any suggestions for<250USD active earpro that I don’t need to stuff with foam earplugs to make actually hearing safe? I’ve been reading up on different models and brands but have just ended up more unsure, was wondering if anyone here had insight or experience you might want to share.

[raven wolf]

Someone commented on my chicken wing 🪽 stance

[latent lotus]

Walker razors are what i use

They are like $35-40 at bass pro shops

I shot at least 100 rounds yesterday and they held up just fine

Ive had my set for years

[raven wolf]

My buddies Frankenstein ak (scopes in the bag somewhere)

[worthy heart]

nothing is frankerstein here

its just a basic bitch ak with cheap parts

[raven wolf]

stock is old but gold, I wouldn’t mod a Russian Kalashnikov. American, Romanian or Chinese Ak’s are junk and so is the ammo but I can see why people in the west buy knock offs out of desperation. Imagine buying a junk rifle and spending a lot of money on high quality parts … that also doesn’t make a lot of sense does it?

[worthy heart]

Dude

[raven wolf]

This is my ak

[worthy heart]

A majority of the AKs in the us are a mix of Russian

Chinese

Romanian

The works

[raven wolf]

No Russian aks in America or Canada bro

[worthy heart]

The fuck you mean

[worthy heart]

Yes there is

[raven wolf]

Please stop

[worthy heart]

We had plenty of imports on them

Again the fuck you mean

[raven wolf]

In the 60s ?

[worthy heart]

YES

[raven wolf]

Find me one

[worthy heart]

WE HAD SO MANY GET ON THE MACHINE GUN REGISTRY

Plus saiga imports

[raven wolf]

So what’s yours lol…

[worthy heart]

And vepr imports well into the 2010s

[worthy heart]

Romanian

[raven wolf]

Point proven

Why didn’t you buy a Russian ak if they’re everywhere

😂

[worthy heart]

Cause Russian 74s were going well up to 3 to 4k

And I was offered a Romanian one for 1k

[raven wolf]

So your spending money on high quality parts on Romanian Balkan junk got it

Gypsy ak

😂😂

[worthy heart]

Romanian aks are fine

Russian aks are pretty much built to the same level

[raven wolf]

No they are not

[worthy heart]

Yes they are

[raven wolf]

Brother no they’re not respectfully…

[worthy heart]

Yes they are

[raven wolf]

Whole different animal

[worthy heart]

Even in the 60s

They really were built the same

Hell into the 2000s they started casting more parts

In the 100 series

[raven wolf]

So why are they selling for 3k vs 1k?

Don’t you get what you pay for?

[worthy heart]

Cause the 74s were imported in a lower quantity compared to 47s

[raven wolf]

Why would Romanian aks sell for $1000 if they’re just as good as Russian aks

[worthy heart]

The market was much lower for 5.45

And more people wanted 7.62x39

[raven wolf]

No 7.62 aks

I’m sure you can’t buy today btw

[worthy heart]

Plenty

[raven wolf]

Find me one 7.62 Russian ak

[worthy heart]

Russian aks went down to 1k in the us

[raven wolf]

Post it

I’ll buy it

😂

[latent lotus]

Get a time machine to 2010

You could have gotten a brand new saiga or vepr for like $500

These days they are more because obama banned russian gun imports

[worthy heart]

All fucking day

[latent lotus]

Also chinese AKs arent junk tf are you on about

[worthy heart]

You are some sort of stupid

If you think the way you think

[latent lotus]

They are probably like the 3rd or 4th best one

[worthy heart]

This is America

Where you can buy most shit

[latent lotus]

Number 1 is russian ofc, then bulgarian, then either east german or chinese imo

[worthy heart]

Our market for guns and equipment is higher than any country

[raven wolf]

East German for sure better than Bulgarian

[worthy heart]

Russian aks are not number 1

[raven wolf]

I owned one

Side folder

They’re good but not Russian

[worthy heart]

They are consider that since it's the basic of other countries builds

But there are plenty with canted sights crappy paint the works

Like Russian aks have some of the cheapest finish

[raven wolf]

Lol… that’s why they’re the apple of every westerners eye

3k for a 5.45

lol…

[worthy heart]

It's called fudds who don't know better

Or people who are just playing the market

Dumbasses like you

Who eat up anything they say

[raven wolf]

You bought a Romanian wasr-10

Buyers remorse

And spent money on parts

[worthy heart]

I didn't buy a wasr 10

[raven wolf]

Your the dumbass

[worthy heart]

So your ignorance and stupidity is showing

[latent lotus]

Id buy a wasr-10

They are great rifles

[worthy heart]

Solid aks

[latent lotus]

Idk what yall are on about

As an american civilian in 2025 id argue a wasr-10 might be the best new manufactured AK you can get

[worthy heart]

Tldr this dumbass over here doesn't believe the US got any AK imports

[latent lotus]

Ofc there are no imports from russia, ukraine, or china anymore

[raven wolf]

Since the 60s

We’ve been over this

[ionic oriole]

My dad has a russian saiga 12
thats not a 60's thing

[worthy heart]

BRO I JUST EXPLAINED WE HAD IMPORTS UP TO THE 2010S

[latent lotus]

And ive heard a lot of mixed things about the modern polish guns

[worthy heart]

It didn't end till Obama closed off imports

From Russia

[latent lotus]

In 1968 they banned the importation of “assault weapons”

[worthy heart]

We had imports for years

[raven wolf]

Thank you

Syntax

[worthy heart]

Never closed imports

[latent lotus]

However all they did was put the guns in hunting rifle chassis when they imported them

Then swapped out the furniture once they reached the US

[worthy heart]

It really didn't change much

[latent lotus]

that is still how they do it today with guns like the wasr-10

They put em in hunting rifle chassis or whatever at the factory in romania

[raven wolf]

They are junk compared to a original Russian Kalashnikov

I promise

[worthy heart]

They aren't

[latent lotus]

Whatever they need to do so they dont fit the legal definition of an “assault weapon”

[worthy heart]

There are people putting hundreds of thousands of rounds on Romanian builds

Hell battlefield Las Vegas mostly runs Romanian aks

For machine gun hosts

[latent lotus]

Then they ship em in to the US and then the importer does the final modifications to change them back into their standard configuration

[raven wolf]

Because they’re cheap

[livid thistle]

is there any reason i shouldnt buy a jakl upper

[raven wolf]

lol…

[worthy heart]

So are Russian guns

Cheaply built

[latent lotus]

Adding the muzzle break, swapping the furniture, etc

[worthy heart]

Dog shit out of spec

Mostly

[raven wolf]

Kalashnikov builds cheap guns?

[latent lotus]

Is that the PSA thing?

[livid thistle]

yeah

[latent lotus]

Or the new polish AKs

[worthy heart]

Yes cause modern 100 series AKs use a lot of cast parts as a standardizer

[latent lotus]

Honestly i have two PSA ar’s i built from parts kits that run great

But idk about their non standard stuff

[raven wolf]

Romania 🇷🇴 builds a better ak than the founder 🇷🇺?

[livid thistle]

jakl is something weird and non standard

[worthy heart]

Many countries build better aks

[raven wolf]

COPIUM

AT ITS FINEST

breath bro

You bought that junk already

[worthy heart]

It's not copium when it's true

[livid thistle]

i wish i could still get a 10" gen 2 180 upper

[raven wolf]

It’s fine

Have fun with it

[worthy heart]

We are talking 100s of thousands of rifles built every year by multiple countries

[latent lotus]

The real answer for who made the best AKs: finland and israel

:trollface:

[worthy heart]

There are many other countries building AKs to the same quality if not better than Russia

[raven wolf]

No they are not

lol

[worthy heart]

Yes they are

That's like saying the us builds the best ars

[raven wolf]

Respectfully lil bro

[worthy heart]

When there are other countries building better ars

Than the standard issue

[raven wolf]

The gas block on my Russian ak is worth the factory that builds Romanian aks

[latent lotus]

Do any countries issue those better ARs though?

[raven wolf]

😂😭

[worthy heart]

You are smoking meth if you believe the main county of origin makes the best

[worthy heart]

Many are swapping over

[latent lotus]

Like sure i would take an FN made AR over a colt USA

[worthy heart]

Canada has always

[latent lotus]

But the belgians dont issue them

[worthy heart]

And Canada colts are better

Heavier barrel

[latent lotus]

Colt canada has always been on par with colt USA

[worthy heart]

Austria is making their own

[latent lotus]

Marginially better in some ways

[worthy heart]

Finland

[latent lotus]

And all of them are worse than some of the bougie companies like daniel defense or whatever

[worthy heart]

Britain has always had ars in hands

Germany makes their own ar variant

With the 416 series

[latent lotus]

Besides the HK-416 basically all AR-15 rifles that are issued in world militaries are either colt canada, colt, or FN

[raven wolf]

Bro SIG can’t even make gun that doesn’t ghost shoot its self

America’s new contract btw

[latent lotus]

There are companies in other countries that make AR-15s but they arent the issued military weapon for said country

[worthy heart]

There are 2 sigs

And both are completely different

[latent lotus]

I have a german friend who owns a german made AR-15 but that doesnt mean that it is the issued weapon of the german army

[worthy heart]

You need to specify

[raven wolf]

I promise you Russia is unmatched

That’s all I have to say

[worthy heart]

Russia is very mid

[raven wolf]

Ok as you wish

[worthy heart]

They are alright but not amazing

[raven wolf]

lol

[worthy heart]

It's a basic build rifle

[latent lotus]

I would say soviet, AKs, especially from the AKM onwards are the best commie AKs

Modern russia is kinda mid though tbh

[worthy heart]

They aren't

[raven wolf]

Bro thank you for being objective

[worthy heart]

They are pretty standard

[latent lotus]

They are the standard to which everyone else is judged on

Exactly

And everyone else for the most part is judged to be worse

[raven wolf]

I’m telling you brother you get what you pay for if Romanian aks were god tier you wouldn’t be buying one for $1000 bucks

You get what you pay for

Simple

[worthy heart]

They are standard but they aren't better

[raven wolf]

Junk…

[latent lotus]

Imo the only military AKs that are better than the soviet ones are the valmet and the galil

[worthy heart]

When a lot of the AKs being built are pretty well matched

[latent lotus]

But those arent even communist so do they really count?

East germany and bulgaria also made great rifles

As did china and yugoslavia to a lesser extent

[worthy heart]

In a way better

[raven wolf]

I owned an East German side folder great fun just not on par with Russia. 🇷🇺

I’m speaking from owning the damn thing

Both

[worthy heart]

Yeah I've owned and been around plenty of aks

[latent lotus]

Really the only countries who made “bad” AKs were albania and maybe hungary

[raven wolf]

You’ve never owned a Russian ak

[latent lotus]

And even then they are still decent rifles

[raven wolf]

Until you see the real deal

You’ll think anything is good

[worthy heart]

China was really it I'd say

[latent lotus]

Still better than a lot of the american made slop from the 2000s and 2010s

[raven wolf]

That’s fine

[raven wolf]

American made aks are buyers remorse at the counter

[worthy heart]

Cause they sold off the junky beat to shit ones to countries they hated

[raven wolf]

I’d take a Romanian ak over American ak

[worthy heart]

I've been around enough of them

[raven wolf]

But that’s as far as I’m willing to compromise

[worthy heart]

Especially on the 100 series

There were alright

Some with canted irons

Or paint chipping off

[latent lotus]

I would agree though 100 series and especially the AK-12 are very mid

[worthy heart]

Like for a modern production they were alright

[latent lotus]

They are a product of their time

[worthy heart]

Bht that finish sucks

And they have been using the same finish for years

[latent lotus]

During the soviet times the weapons manufacturers were government ran and had infinite time and money and resources to make the best weapons possible

Whereas today they have much less funding and are under much more pressure to make more modern weapons to try and keep up with the west

With the ultimate example of this being the AK-12

The temu tactical knockoff of the family

[worthy heart]

Later model ak 12s are slowly turning themselves around I will say

[latent lotus]

They are still cool dont get me wrong

[worthy heart]

The newer ones are a little better

But nothing I'd go crazy for

The 200 series is what they should have went with

[latent lotus]

But when at least half of the budget goes to the factory owner’s yacht you are gonna run into issues

Especially considering that the standards for what is expected out of a modern combat rifles are so much higher than they were in prior decades

In the 1970s all you needed were iron sights and for the thing to have at least like 5 moa accuracy

[worthy heart]

That's the hope

[latent lotus]

But now they want sub 1.0 moa accuracy, optics compatibility, modularity in every component, more features, more accessories, etc etc

[worthy heart]

But most of the time it was more twords 2 to 4

[raven wolf]

This is my 100 yard chicken wing shot

[latent lotus]

Paired with less funding

[worthy heart]

Moa

[worthy heart]

That's not 100

The fuck you smoking

[latent lotus]

That is the reason why modern russian AKs are worse than the soviet ones

[raven wolf]

😭😭😭

[latent lotus]

Nice

[worthy heart]

From here to that far berm

Is 125

[latent lotus]

My favorite rifle i own is unironically a PSA 20 inch AR with a detachable carry handle rear sight

[worthy heart]

You are not 100 yards

[raven wolf]

Ok ok

Just throwing some content in the mix

I’m more of meter guy

Soz😂🥴

[worthy heart]

Even meters you are off

[latent lotus]

I was nailing an 8 inch steel target i had set up between two posts with a chain at like 200 yards with my irons yesterday, though granted i was resting on the bed of my truck

[worthy heart]

Meters and yards aren't too far off from each other

[latent lotus]

I’ll take a video next time

[worthy heart]

Based

I got a spot I can maybe reach 300

[latent lotus]

Also yeah i think 100 meters is like 110 yards or something

[latent lotus]

Or vise versa

[worthy heart]

But I need more looks outs

Cause I don't need to freak people out

It's off a ATV trail

So id rather be safe

[raven wolf]

Who needs a gun when you got these tho

🥴🥴

😘😘

[worthy heart]

A temu vest?

[raven wolf]

Those were the steel plates I was shooting at

Great carrier

A little heavy

But I manage

[worthy heart]

Steel is garbage

But my plates are heavier

[raven wolf]

Your ak is junk

Gg

😂😂

[worthy heart]

It's not

I've got multiple

Aks

So

[raven wolf]

Multiple pieces of junk gg

Buyers remorse on steroids

[worthy heart]

They all are great

[raven wolf]

Gg

[worthy heart]

I think you are having the remorse with how much copium you are smoking tonight

[raven wolf]

Went and bought every variant because he couldn’t buy a Russian one

Sadge

[worthy heart]

You literally have proven to have a lack of historical context and studying of the rifle you are arguing over

Your ignorance is so bad you fumbled the distance you claim to shoot it

Very poorly

[raven wolf]

Brother in Vietnam Americans were throwing their m16s in the dirt

You can’t even make a good domestic rifle

Let alone a good ak variant

Stop

[worthy heart]

The M16 was a brand new platform

That needed more development

Now it's one of the most popular rifles

That out performs the AK

In Mudd tests

[raven wolf]

Kk goodnight

Thanks for the back and forth

[worthy heart]

Yep

[umbral spoke]

Ye

[grand stag]

was just adding you donmt worry

[ionic oriole]

im thinking about belt gear and LBE again
good gear just isnt small enough for me
tried on my brother's battle belt and if I wanted it cinched properly, there would be practically no space for any pouches

do I rather run a battle belt/pistol belt

or get the LBE i wanted for a while?

the LBE would technically have less room for stuff but would allow me to carry more things

[lusty kestrel]

just do what u want lol

[real thorn]

the objectively better ones

[lime abyss]

My father picked up a Zastava a bit ago

Great rifle

It’s a milled RPK lower if I’m not mistaken

[distant bone]

I'm not an AK guy, but the only AK I've ever owned was a few years back, and that's what it was. It seemed very nicely built, and yes, I was told the same thing about the reciever.

[lime abyss]

Yeah it shoots well, he’s put a custom trigger and a dovetail mount for an optic on it. Great gun and it actually groups well for an AK

[distant bone]

👍

[worthy heart]

Technically it's kind of its own thing

Because the original country Yugoslavia

Never really got the technical data package if I remember right