irl-gear

[wise nexus]

Bruh

Trolling

[upper plaza]

I’m not sadly

I’m a fatass

[unborn bramble]

I wear an airsoft vest but with legit lv4 plates because you wanna be effective but not threatening enough to be the primary concern

[kind fog]

Holy shit
You're fat as fuck

/j.

[upper plaza]

I doubt you’d say that to me brotha

[kind fog]

:333

Prove me wrong

[upper plaza]

But say what you want it’s the internet after all

[kind fog]

Prove me wrong rn

[grand mountain]

fatass

[kind fog]

LMAO

[grand mountain]

If god got you on clearance hed still only be able to take half of it

[kind fog]

😭

It was a bit bro

Bro.

bro.

[upper plaza]

@muted lynx I feel insulted.

[kind fog]

If you really looked like that It'd be insane

[upper plaza]

I do and now I don’t feel comfortable showing myself.

[kind fog]

....

Bro....

Go do some exercise....

Like
At that point get surgery bro

[upper plaza]

I do get excercise

[kind fog]

Like get it removed 😭

[upper plaza]

I’m just very tall

[grand mountain]

fyi this dude is an alt

[kind fog]

I know
But
Funi

[grand mountain]

same guy comes in here every couple of weeks on a new alt because he keeps getting banned

[wise nexus]

Why are we bulling in here

[grand mountain]

sometimes he has conversations with his other alts its like actual schizo shit

hilarious

[upper plaza]

Who’s an alt lol

[kind fog]

Wh

[upper plaza]

I’ve never been banned from here goofball

🌽 🏀

[kind fog]

Erm.... I've never been banned from here goofball....

[upper plaza]

Congrats you can read and rewrite my guy

[kind fog]

L rizz...

[wet geyser]

this is the most restarted conversation i have ever witnessed

[kind fog]

How long have you been using this platform

[wet geyser]

5 years. So way to long

[grand mountain]

im 🤏 close to hugging a tree at 160 and taking a nap on the south side of town

[wet geyser]

can i join

[grand mountain]

sure you can ride shotgun

ill put on dancing in the moonlight (banger song)

[wet geyser]

lets go

[wet geyser]

an absolute banger for sure

[grand mountain]

have u seen the one where its dancing in the moonlight but ur raiding bin ladens compound

[wet geyser]

yep i used to listen to that in study hall in HS lol

[grand mountain]

that seems like the kinda thing to get you sent to the counselor's office 😭

[wet geyser]

they never knew

also small private school so u could get away with a lot

[wet geyser]

i did get in trouble for watching Donut Operator in study hall tho

[grand mountain]

Lmfao

[novel olive]

It's not that easy for most people, there's a reason why he got to that point. Same with surgery, stop being so ignorant

[novel olive]

the roleplaying and humping men in fursuits really got to your brain

[snow scarab]

i mean, it is

[novel olive]

he said he is excercising, slow metabolism or different illnesses can make it a lot harder

also jsut genetics

in my current state id have to not eat for more than two days to lose some weight

[snow scarab]

metabolism has nothing to do with if you can work out or not

and that’s not how the human body works

it’s simple thermodynamics

it is as simple as calories in, calories out

sure, illnesses i can understand. but i have a friend with literal cancer and he’s working out 5 days a week

[novel olive]

obviously we are talking about illnesses that made him get to that point, that actually affect your ability to exercise in extreme ways

because obviously nobody wants to be 450lbs and he also expressed insecurity because of it

[novel olive]

dont know what stage and what type of cancer but they do not all take your ability to work out

[snow scarab]

gross negligence is the most common reason for getting to a huge size

not illnesses or genetics

just pure and straight laziness

[novel olive]

No one in my surroundings is fat because of that, it's mainly mental health, pregnancy or other chronic illnesses

at the same time im not exposed to food overdosed with the most unhealthy ingredients

[muted gate]

its just a caloric deficit

thats all it is

thats all you need

[novel olive]

it worked for me until

I hit 53 kg

I ate less than 100 kcals and worked out

[muted gate]

those maths dont math

[low zodiac]

^

[novel olive]

its called eating disorder

idk maybe fucked my metabolism

[low zodiac]

I’d way rather be fat and strong than skinny and weak

[novel olive]

i didnt train my muscles all i did was run

burning the cals i consumed

[snow scarab]

mental health is a bullshit excuse

[low zodiac]

I didn’t wanna be overly mean but 100%^

[snow scarab]

half the people that i know that go to the gym are medically diagnosed with depression and anxiety

[muted gate]

go gym

go lift

[snow scarab]

the BIGGEST guy i know is medically depressed

[muted gate]

find gymbro

like unironically find gymbro

[novel olive]

obviously there's different types of depression, I mean if it can make people lay in bed and not do anything until they die and rot away I dont think it's a shit 'excuse'

[low zodiac]

Not everything is easy

[muted gate]

wait hol up

53 kilos is like 120 pounds

[novel olive]

yeah obviously some people have it harder and some easier but at the end its up to you to go the gym/get the help needed

[novel olive]

116 pounds i think

but im fairly small

im 5'4

[tepid ingot]

less that a 100?!?!? my maintenance is like 2000 wtf

[digital tiger]

Did someone say mental health?

I might know a thing about mental health

[echo jay]

Nahhh novey

[digital tiger]

It’s actually not quite that simple

[snow scarab]

generally yes it is

[timber fog]

Generally ≠ always

[digital tiger]

Generally..

[snow scarab]

that is how our bodies work

[timber fog]

Ignoring a lot of factors

[digital tiger]

So what do I need to gain weight?

[snow scarab]

we have basic processes that consume a certain amount of calories a day no matter what, and excess movements induce the consumption of more calories. if you are in a deficit, you will slowly use stored fat (as long as you are taking in enough protein) and lose weight. if you are in a surplus you will gain extra fat stores and increase your weight

[timber fog]

This is just flat out incorrect

[snow scarab]

figure out your daily maintenance calories plus how many calories you lose on average a day due to movements or working out and do a 2-300 calorie surplus

[wet geyser]

Incorrect

[snow scarab]

that’s the average person

and no, i’m not incorrect

[timber fog]

Mental health/illness effects everyone differently, everyone copes differently

[timber fog]

You are

[novel olive]

you are

[snow scarab]

i’m not, but aight

[wet geyser]

I mean u are but keep living in ur delusion

[timber fog]

2 things can be true at the same time

[digital tiger]

Mental health can affect several different areas. Such as how your body chooses to use what effects burn rates cortisol levels all sorts of stuff.

[novel olive]

Ur subjective opinion is not the truth

[timber fog]

[snow scarab]

using mental health as an excuse for being a fat fuck isn’t a true excuse

[digital tiger]

^^ this is true.

[timber fog]

Mental illness can be vastly debilitating

[snow scarab]

that’s why i said using mental health as an excuse is bullshit

[timber fog]

Your comment is wrong

[novel olive]

Mental health affects people enough to restrain their instincts of survival

[timber fog]

And ignorant

[snow scarab]

i know, i’m medically depressed

[wet geyser]

Ok that’s facts

[novel olive]

Nobody did that though, the guy we were talking about never said anything like that, he said he is working on exercising

[timber fog]

You say you know

[timber fog]

And then contradict yourself

[novel olive]

[timber fog]

“Sure depression can be debilitating, but when it debilitates you physically you’re just being fat and lazy”

Do you hear yourself

[snow scarab]

yes. because i’ve never tried using my state of being as an excuse for something within my control. even when i feel my absolute worse i still work out and stick to my schedule as it’s one of the easiest ways to get myself out of my ruts

[timber fog]

Room temperature iq take

Congrats you’re different

Want a medal for it?

[novel olive]

Good for you, but it's not like that for everyone.

[timber fog]

Idc about your anecdotal experience, you don’t speak for everyone

[snow scarab]

because that’s people letting their illness control them. at that point it’s an eating disorder on top of a mental illness

you can’t blow up in size without eating immense amounts of food

while yes, what shootin said is correct that mental health can change how your body burns calories, the basics of how it works are still the same

[timber fog]

So it’s NOT as simple as just go to gym and calorie deficit after all

[novel olive]

Wait until I tell you a family member of mine eats normal amounts of food but blew up due to stress

[timber fog]

Gee, who woulda thought?

[snow scarab]

i mean, it still basically is lol

[timber fog]

More nuanced than that

[snow scarab]

the amount of growth or decline in your bodies calorie consumption isn’t massive

[digital tiger]

It actually is.

[snow scarab]

like my maintenance is anywhere from 2100 to 2550

with an average of 2300 a day

[snow scarab]

well, a “normal” amount of food nowadays is like, 3200 calories so not surprising

[digital tiger]

My maintenance is 3.5-4k. 😅

[fathom sparrow]

If you maintain a calorie deficit you will lose weight
That is basic physics

[digital tiger]

Then if I work out it actually makes it quite a bit worse.

[snow scarab]

that would only make sense if you do extreme high intense workouts every single day

or are like, running a half marathon every day

[digital tiger]

Nope. Medical issue

[snow scarab]

i’m young and large

[coarse laurel]

People with thyroid issues also gain weight considerably

[digital tiger]

But it’s just as simple as intake vs burn right? 😉

[snow scarab]

yes

how much you intake and how much you burn

it’s literally that simple

in order for 3.5-4k to be your maintenance, your body would need to burn that many calories a day

that’s what maintenance means

[digital tiger]

But that doesn’t take into account what causes burn rates to change.

[fathom sparrow]

They have a much slower metabolism
Which means a much slower burnoff of caloric intake
The physics doesn't change

[digital tiger]

So say I’m manic. My burn rate would typically speed up.

Say I’m depressed. Typically it slows down.

Trauma? Increases cortisol. That affects burn rate.

[fathom sparrow]

Obviously you have to adjust diet to burn rate

[snow scarab]

you can literally figure it out for yourself and go “oh i’ve gained x amount of pounds the past week when i wanted to maintain, let me kick my intake down quite a bit to lose”

it doesn’t need to be an exact science, and that’s not what i’m saying it is

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab did your unit ever send you to get a bod pod exam

[snow scarab]

?

[digital tiger]

You did say mh has nothing to do about it.

[snow scarab]

no. i don’t need one 😭

[digital tiger]

I’m sure as as pfc you know all about biology and neuroscience. 😉

[snow scarab]

i’m not even heavy enough to be taped lol

[fathom sparrow]

It doesn't affect the basic physics of caloric burn

[coarse laurel]

Lol it was mandatory for us in this unit

[fathom sparrow]

Just modifies it, requireing a diet modification in turn

[digital tiger]

Which… affects it.

[coarse laurel]

The army wellness center was pissed they sent a whole BN worth of people

[fathom sparrow]

Yes, requiring a modification in diet

Obviously

[digital tiger]

If I have to change something because of something else that means it was affected.

[snow scarab]

spc and i’m not saying i do. it’s as i’ve been saying. it’s the basic thermodynamics of how your body works. if you don’t work out, eat maintenance and if you lose or gain weight you can change accordingly

[fathom sparrow]

Of course things have an effect

Mh isn't an excuse to not adjust your diet

[snow scarab]

using the “i’m depressed so im just going to eat my feelings” card doesn’t work on me personally

[digital tiger]

His argument was that it didn’t have any effect.

[snow scarab]

no, i said it was a bullshit excuse

[fathom sparrow]

well that's a silly argument if he acutally made it, but I didn't see that

[snow scarab]

tf 😂

weird

i’m 202 now tho

[coarse laurel]

It’s part of the whole ranger fitness program thing we have going on in this BN, the new BDE commander wants stats on everyone’s height and weight plus fitness levels

[snow scarab]

25 lbs up. gonna try to sit around this widget now

[digital tiger]

@snow scarab so I have an issue that causes my muscles to be under constant tension.

[fathom sparrow]

Everyone's metabolism is different and it varies over time
It's everyone's individual responsibility to tune their diet and lifestyle to their body so as not to become over/underweight

[digital tiger]

So my resting burn rate is stupid.

[coarse laurel]

I’m sitting at 204-206 range

[snow scarab]

ok, then in order to gain weight, you would need to figure out that burn rate and normally eat 2/300 calories higher than it

[coarse laurel]

For context I wear 36R med r cryes

[digital tiger]

See that’s what I thought.

In high school I hit my biggest at 178

[snow scarab]

i literally haven’t changed my argument this entire time

[digital tiger]

I was sitting between 6/7k per day.

[fathom sparrow]

I mean that's just physics
If it didn't work it was because your burn rate varied more than you thought

And there are medical conditions that make fine-tuning diet and lifestyle very challenging, no one would deny that

But there is no cause of weight gain other than caloric surplus

[snow scarab]

i wear 34R pants. idk about top

mediums fit my build really well for my norarm top

[coarse laurel]

I have to size up for my top soon

I became 33 not too long ago, felt like I gained some weight

[fathom sparrow]

i am become 30
destroyer of waistlines

[novel olive]

Maybe for you as a, I'm assuming, American. Over here its around 2000 and he was below that.

[fathom sparrow]

probably had a metabolic issue
he should eat less

[novel olive]

i mean he is over 50 and has blood preassure problems and lots of stress

[fathom sparrow]

Maintaining a caloric surplus certainly can't be helping

[kind fog]

....what

[real whale]

btw, this is also a thing.

[novel olive]

yeah you read that right

[kind fog]

You're kinda gross man.

[timber fog]

Your argument is anecdotal and wrong

And, to some degree, a strawman

[wise nest]

it seems you know absolutely nothing about clinical depression

[fathom sparrow]

First, depression or not, caloric surplus is the only way one can gain weight. Depression or not, one can control what they eat.
Second, intense exercise ranks above CBT as the 2nd most effective treatment (behind SSRI's) for clinical depression
Here's a meta analysis to that point :https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj-2023-075847

[wise nest]

"Depression or not, one can control what they eat"

interesting

broken legs or not someone can walk if they really want

but guess what

they dont cause its almost impossible

[fathom sparrow]

That's a silly analogy for several reasons

[wise nest]

congratulations on being able to overcome your own depression in that way, but thats you. its very different for others

[fathom sparrow]

No one is saying it isn't harder, but to suggest that people with clinical depression have absolutley no executive function is both wrong and makes them feel more hopeless

[wise nest]

did i say that?

[fathom sparrow]

You suggested they couldn't control what they ate, which is the same as having no executive function over diet choice

Funnily enough, routine exercise is one of the best remedies for feeling low executive function - commonly associated with depression

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6776756/

[timber fog]

I don’t think anyone here is arguing that that’s not the case

[timber fog]

Another argument nobody is making but you

[fathom sparrow]

He clearly suggested that people with clinical depression could not control what they ate
That is suggesting they have no executive function over diet choice

[timber fog]

This is grossly reductive and ignores many other factors like economy and environment

[wise nest]

it was never as blanket as youre making it out to be

[timber fog]

Where? I don’t see that anywhere

[fathom sparrow]

then maybe clarify

[timber fog]

Seems like you’re making assumptions

[wise nest]

yup..

[fathom sparrow]

You made it analogous to someone with broken legs walking

which isn't possible

[timber fog]

Debatable

[wise nest]

ok fine my analogy wasnt the best but youre still taking what im saying and running it somewhere else

[fathom sparrow]

I'm an EMT, if you have broken femurs, you cannot walk

that is not debatable

[wise nest]

if youre an EMT you should know that a broken femur isnt the only type of break

[timber fog]

[wise nest]

once again, going to extreme

[fathom sparrow]

Sure, but there's no sort of depression analogous to that extreme

[timber fog]

Bro is cherrypicking hypotheticals

[fathom sparrow]

Which is why broken legs is a poor analogy

[timber fog]

Crazy

[wise nest]

lmao

[timber fog]

That’s factually incorrect

Guess that’s why you’re a medical guy and not a psych guy tho

[wise nest]

i think suicidal depressive might be a fairly extreme one idk

[fathom sparrow]

Show me clinical evidence of a depression that completely overrides executive function

[timber fog]

Our government offers disability for it

[fathom sparrow]

to the degree that someone cannot choose what they eat - analogous to someone with broken femurs not being able to walk

[timber fog]

It is literally disabling

What are you talking about

[wise nest]

it was about someone ability to overcome something so challenging they may as well have no control

yes sure they technically can control it sure, but they just dont because of how challenging it is

[fathom sparrow]

I realize
My point is there is no level of depression that removes control 100%
To the degree that broken femurs removes control of legs 100%

[timber fog]

And again, nobody is talking specifically about anything “overriding executive function” but you

[timber fog]

You’re making a point that nobody is arguing against

[wise nest]

why the femurs

where did you get femurs from

[timber fog]

2 things can be true at the same time

[wise nest]

you cant insert your own specifics into my analogy

[fathom sparrow]

Alright let me be clear here:
My point is that people with depression can control what they eat. It's harder, but they have executive function, even if diminished.
Do you disagree with this?

[timber fog]

I don’t think anyone disagrees with that

[wise nest]

i dont disagree but im unsure as to why exactly youre making it

[timber fog]

It doesn’t change or take away from anything said

[fathom sparrow]

"Depression or not, one can control what they eat"
interesting
broken legs or not someone can walk if they really want"

This suggests you don't agree with my last message
If I'm wrong, then we agree, and no need to keep arguing

[timber fog]

Master redditor here

[wise nest]

The point behind what i said, once again, was to show that yes its POSSIBLE but its extrememly difficult to the point at which it esentially isnt

[timber fog]

Arguing just to argue

[wise nest]

real

[fathom sparrow]

I heard "broken legs" and thought - well there's a way you could have broken legs where you would actually be TOTALLY unable to walk. With broken femurs.

That doesn't analogize to depression. There isn't a "broken femur" level of depression that makes it impossible to choose what to eat.

[wise nest]

yes i know?

[fathom sparrow]

Then we agree, very good

[timber fog]

“Nah bro you’re just making excuses bro I’m depressed and work out every day bro”

[fathom sparrow]

hope you have a good one

[wise nest]

bro my gfd literally broke up w me and im in the gym every day bro getting revenge bro

[viral quarry]

bro bro bro

[novel olive]

Liferally what 95% of your Community consists of

[kind fog]

I'm not gonna play stupid games with you man.

[novel olive]

I'm pretty sure you know Barq or have been at least in one Telegram group.

[viral quarry]

having needed to google that, you just self-snitched big time

[novel olive]

Some young kid at my school asked me once to go with him to a furwalk. If you're active in tech you meet lots of furries. I had nothing against them at first till I realized that mysoginy is not a rarity there, I also got meowed at by some scary bald dude at the furwalk, he kept hanging around with the younger girls so I got grossed out.

[viral quarry]

me thinks he doth protest too much

[kind fog]

Wtf is a furwalk

[kind fog]

Like what are you on about bro
You live in the EU, so maybe it's different there but it sure ain't like that here.

[novel olive]

Look at surveys, pretty sure they are international.

[viral quarry]

homie is doing furry research....
quit while you're only this far behind

[novel olive]

Yeah I did simple research since I've had friends in this fandom and if you go to a tech event there's also lots of furries. Nothing wrong with educating yourself with it?

[viral quarry]

I can't figure out what point you're hoping to make.
you led with "95% of your Community consists of...the roleplaying and humping men in fursuits"
Now you have "had friends in this fandom"

homie just stop digging

[novel olive]

Yeah I HAD friends in this fandom that's how I found out about the percentages, it's not contradicting

[wise nest]

sample size is lacking i feel

not that i particularly give a fuck tbf

[novel olive]

understandable

[viral quarry]

so your whole point is - furries are icky?
Like, yea duh. Doesn't smile upon your profession knowing there's a lot of people within which, " mysoginy is not a rarity" and "95% of which are roleplaying and humping men in fursuits"

[novel olive]

I just dont get why that dude would attack someone for their weight innocently talking about their gear while being in a fandom that gets hated most of the time aswell. Not to mention making ignorant comments towards them aswell.

[viral quarry]

Seems like a better approach to criticize the insulting comments about the weight on their own
"Well you're gross too for these reasons" isn't quite as compassionate

[kind fog]

What surveys bro
that shit that you described just doesn't happen here.

[viral quarry]

I'm pretty sure furries are degens everywhere

[kind fog]

Bro
He's an alt account that is lying about being 450lb
Bro he's not actually super fat

[novel olive]

Look at the Anthrocon surveys, they are done at an American con, might aswell look at the Zoophile surveys while youre at it.

[kind fog]

What surveys bro

What are you on about

[novel olive]

That's something I didnt know since I have been on the server for like two days

[novel olive]

Brother is it that hard to use the internet

[kind fog]

Brother
Is it that hard to back up your claims with evidence

[viral quarry]

this tracks

[novel olive]

I didnt want to turn this chanel into furry discussion but here you go ig

[grand walrus]

Stop being weird with the furry stuff

[novel olive]

I guess he has his information now so we can stop

[viral quarry]

are fursuits not considered irl-gear

[grand walrus]

[real whale]

conversations like this are exactly why the irl channels are the back alleys of this server that the mods rarely come to

nobody is safe

[kind fog]

So
This doesn't really prove what you said.

[novel olive]

Yeah it went off topic really fast once the weight and furry stuff came into focus

[viral quarry]

I love them 🍿

[snow scarab]

holy shit, i’m tryna sleep and y’all are still at it. my argument has been and always will be that a caloric surplus makes you gain weight, and a caloric deficit makes you lose weight. plain and simple. i’m not wrong and it is physically impossible to prove me wrong

fuck y’all, good night

[kind fog]

Well, a complete caloric deficit can cause weight gain and weight stagnation.

[novel olive]

Oh no its happening again

[fathom sparrow]

AHHHHH

[kind fog]

But yeah, it's best if this conversation discontinues.

[real whale]

so be fair, it is possible to have a caloric deficit and still "gain weight" as muscles tends to be less energy dense than body fat

[fathom sparrow]

Only temporarily

ofc

[real whale]

oh, i'm aware. but i'm just saying that it is possible under certain circumstances

[kind fog]

(Also just as a side note exercise should be paired with caloric deficit for best result)

[timber fog]

I have to give you props for sticking to your guns no matter how wrong you are, every time

[fathom sparrow]

Unless you're trying to put on considerable weight
then you should really never have a deficit

[viral quarry]

as someone who read the whole convo, you were only one that seemed to be consistently wrong, provocative, and rude
I will now ignore you so this can die

[kind fog]

Well, no

[fathom sparrow]

+1

[timber fog]

Whatever helps you sleep at night bubba

[kind fog]

I mean, exercise is also just healthy so

[timber fog]

Oh, the irony

[kind fog]

Exercise is not only good for the body, but it helps you sleep at night

[fathom sparrow]

ofc

[kind fog]

Exercise during the day will help your body get more tired, which in turn will help you fall asleep faster at night.

[viral quarry]

I used to workout decently regularly, but after a bout with insomnia, I tripled down and it was the only thing that really helped
not sleeping is hell

[kind fog]

You're telling me.

About the last part

I don't have any semblance of a solid exercise routine.

[grand mountain]

its a theme with him

[grand mountain]

i can send you mine

[kind fog]

I have a hard time sleeping

[grand mountain]

but it's like minmaxxed for trans girls, mostly focusing on my legs and stuff

[timber fog]

You’re the last person who should be saying anything on that subject

Lol

[kind fog]

I'd certainly like to get more twinkish.

[viral quarry]

"2 blocked messages" lmao

[grand mountain]

i gotchu bbg holup

[kind fog]

Albeit I hate running.

[viral quarry]

he upsetti

[kind fog]

Sacrifices must be made though.

[grand mountain]

I used to literally have a "twink/femboy workout routine" image

[novel olive]

I didnt read everything but when it came to the depression topic I think @timber fog was the only one reasonable

[kind fog]

LMAO

[timber fog]

Nah, I’m mean and provocative

[viral quarry]

the furry techbro agrees with you guerrilla
well done

[timber fog]

Aka “the facts hurt my feelings”

Everyone here is provocative

He’s just a weenie

[novel olive]

Youre calling others provocative while making comments like that?

[timber fog]

If you stick around you’ll find that’s a common theme here

[viral quarry]

I never said I wasn't 🍿

[grand mountain]

actually wait

im just gonna dm that to you LOL @kind fog

[timber fog]

A lot of these guys can’t take the heat but insist on staying in the kitchen

[kind fog]

I already saved it lmao

[grand mountain]

🤝

[kind fog]

Cold baking....

[grand mountain]

I can also send you my actual workout routine if u want

[novel olive]

Man everytime I join the vc its americans and canadians arguing about their politics like damn

[grand mountain]

the trap workout routine might work but I've never tried it to be sure

[timber fog]

I’ve never bothered with vc here, I just like to get info from this channel

As a resource tho it’s really gone downhill

[grand mountain]

(and then ignore it)

[novel olive]

Not to mention I scrolled up a bit, nothing was really provocative compared to the others

[timber fog]

Eh idrc, came off as a projection and a copout more than anything

[kind fog]

My legs are already strong, I just need to drop some fat.

My gut was great for football and wrestling.

Not quite for everything else.

[grand mountain]

I'm 5'10 and 120lbs

if anything I need to GAIN some

Gimme some of yours lol then we're both happy

[novel olive]

damn do you diet aswell? what does your food intake look like

[grand mountain]

I do not diet I just have an eating disorder

And take estrogen

I usually eat prolly at least 1500-2000 calories a day but my metabolism is faster than that

[novel olive]

does estrogen affect your weight gain/loss?

[grand mountain]

It can

It changes where fat gets distributed to when you gain it, and it can also make you eat less/more

[kind fog]

Testosterone helps muscle growth.

[grand mountain]

hormonal changes and whatnot

[kind fog]

So a ratio of testosterone:estrogen where testosterone is higher can impact muscle gain

[grand mountain]

So like now if I gain fat, it'd go more to my hips and thighs and ass rather than to my tummy like a cis man

[kind fog]

I'm a Cis man and it's heavy on the ass.
Maybe I just have a lot of ass muscle.

[grand mountain]

You also might just have naturally low T levels

[novel olive]

damn, you have to take it for the rest of your life, right? will side effects always affect you?

[grand mountain]

I did before I started taking E and most of what little body fat I did have was in my ass/thighs

[grand mountain]

There really aren't significant side effects asides from impacts to fertility and genitals

The side effects to genitals are avoidable and the side effects to fertility don't bother me cause with the type of people I'm into I was gonna have to adopt anyway if I wanted kids

[kind fog]

Eventually they wont, I'm pretty sure

[grand mountain]

Well eventually you'll be sterile lol

but it doesn't bother me

tbh i didnt even bother saving sperm beforehand

[kind fog]

The offsetting of the testosterone:estrogen ratio should eventually cause the body to start production of hormones to fit the new ratio.

[novel olive]

As long as you feel comfortable in your own skin it doesnt really matter tbh

[grand mountain]

Nah there are absolutely permanent side effects and usually you take HRT permanently

It's why if someone is unsure about themselves I recommend just taking a hormone blocker but not taking actual hormones

[novel olive]

is E covered by your insurance?

[grand mountain]

If a 10 year old takes a testosterone blocker then they can stop taking them at any time and they'll go through puberty like normal completely fine, just later, but if they take hormones then they could shoot themselves in the foot

[grand mountain]

nah it's about $23/mo

they cover my T blocker but not the E itself

For some reason?

I think it's cause the T blocker is also used as a blood pressure medication or something

[novel olive]

My friend takes T but since he doesnt have a proper diagnosis by a gender specialized therapist he has to pay 150€ a month and 50€ for the online pharmacy prescription

[grand mountain]

Wait

oh nvm it's still a prescription

Yeah sadly T can't really be done diy either

Since it's like 10x more dangerous than E

[novel olive]

He has the T gel

[fathom sparrow]

The NHS has fully walked that back
"Last month information on the NHS website about the use of puberty blockers was changed. It had previously said that the drugs used to supress hormones at the onset of puberty in children experiencing gender dysphoria were fully reversible. The NHS now offers the cautious advice that: “Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria”."

[novel olive]

damn I remember that one streamer selling E with the femboy anime glittery package, I think it was diy aswell

[grand mountain]

Yeah like you can do estrogen diy and buy it without a medical prescription or anything but T can fuck you up without a dr

[grand mountain]

it depends on the specific blocker because some of them were medications made for other things but if you stop taking them then you will go through puberty, just later

I know people who did it

[fathom sparrow]

That is not as cut and dry as it seems. It depends on duration of use, age at which it started, etc.

[grand mountain]

That's a given

[fathom sparrow]

Well "fully reversible" doesn't imply that

[novel olive]

At what age did you start taking E?

[grand mountain]

18

a little over 2 months ago

[novel olive]

Already noticing any changes?

[grand mountain]

Ye

I have periods now lol

[fathom sparrow]

You have a uterus?

[novel olive]

My friend has been taking T for 2-3 months aswell but I don't see any changes yet. Maybe trough gel the progress is a bit slowed down

[grand mountain]

You are not asking this in good faith and I'm not wasting my time engaging on the topic with you because you're just being a prick

[fathom sparrow]

Oh sorry, what do you mean by period?

[grand mountain]

He might need his dosages rebalanced but gel also can be slower

[fathom sparrow]

I genuinely didn't think that was a thing

[grand mountain]

We don't get the bleeding obviously

[novel olive]

but the cramps i think

[fathom sparrow]

Is it abdominal pain?

[grand mountain]

But we can get the emotional mood swings and stuff

And we can also get cramps yeah

[fathom sparrow]

That's interesting

[grand mountain]

it's not the same as a uterine cramp, but it's like muscle cramps in the area our uterus would be

[fathom sparrow]

the body is very cool

[grand mountain]

I haven't had cramps but both of the past 2 months I've had a week where my emotions are just a fucking rollercoaster lol

[novel olive]

How bad are they for you? I only have cramps on the first day of my period but then I'm fine, it hurts alot though

nvm

[grand mountain]

Haven't had one so I'm not sure

I'm mixed on whether or not I hope I do

On one hand it'd suck but it'd also be weirdly affirming

[novel olive]

I get that

[grand mountain]

You know since we're talking about testosterone we are technically in the channel's premise, "irl gear"

[novel olive]

I didnt have cramps when I first got my period for two or more years so it might come

[grand mountain]

Honestly I just want a chest lmao

[novel olive]

The E should help with that, no?

[grand mountain]

Yeah but I still might need surgery to get anything significant

I'd like to avoid implants or anything but yknow

next time I go to get my blood labs done and my dosages adjusted I'm gonna ask about adding progesterone alongside the estradiol and blocker

[novel olive]

If i remember correctly the E doesnt change your voice either unless you have taken ir before puberty, right? I saw someone get a voiceband surgery and the results were damn impressive

[grand mountain]

Yup, T changes your voice but E doesn't

[novel olive]

surgery is in this case not covered by insurance right? I always feel bad for those who are unhappy in their body but cant afford the treatment for their changes

[grand mountain]

I'm not sure, I haven't looked into surgery

[novel olive]

How bad was the gender dysphoria for you?

My friend always secretly covered their deadname because it made them feel extremely bad

He also had to pay quite a lot to change his legal name since he has to pay for all the legal documents to be remade

[grand mountain]

It was like..

I thought I was happy as a man, and then I came out, and started being able to cry and love again

I didn't realize how much of a weight it was until after it was lifted yknow

Before I came out and started presenting female I was pretty numb/emotionless

[novel olive]

Glad it has been making you feel better

I really dont get how people have so much hatred towards it, it doesnt hurt anyone, it just makes you finally feel comfortable and thats the most important thing ig

[grand mountain]

because our existence is weaponized to create polarization and discord and a lot of people only see us online

a lot of trans people online desperately need to touch grass and a lot of people assume we're all like that

And ofc we're used as political tools to divide parties

[timber fog]

Lol

Lol

[grand mountain]

2 blocked messages

[timber fog]

1 double standard

[timber fog]

Don’t waste too much sympathy, she’s quick to throw anyone and everyone here under the bus so long as she thinks it’ll gain her acceptance in turn

[novel olive]

i dont know them personally but so far she has been nice, im just suprised quite some people have something against you since all ive seen coming from you has been pretty reasonable

[grand mountain]

He's got a specific hate for me because one time I told him he was stupid for recommending cheap chinese clones of optics to someone who had an actual budget

[novel olive]

I'm just gonna base my reaction towards people on the experience ive made since i dont wanna judge on peoples personal bias

[timber fog]

They just don’t like getting called out for being bullies in here

[grand mountain]

Idk where tf he pulled "quick to throw anyone under the bus for acceptance" from tho

[timber fog]

Fair

[timber fog]

Why I lol’d the other posts

It’s a common theme with you

[grand mountain]

there's a difference between venting and between explaining something that was brought up in an actual discussion

[timber fog]

Quick to judge, very defensive

[novel olive]

I mean if the clones do their job why not

[grand mountain]

but you've always lacked nuance

[timber fog]

Thank you

[grand mountain]

well

the clones have a lot of issues with usability like parallax, brightness and illumination, durability, etc

[timber fog]

Not everyone is going into combat, especially not in the #airsoft channel where that conversation happened lol

[grand mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535048529681580049/993656147280146442/Eokek.mov?ex=66c08626&is=66bf34a6&hm=e2dc4edced77e51c5bae26ccb02089a091f892d86228ff3db52382885b10675d&

On a real optic, the reticle would stay on the same spot when you do this because the gun itself isn't aiming at different spots, the bullet would still impact the same place

[timber fog]

I mentioned a specific brand and you started schizo ranting about chinesium this and that

[grand mountain]

the reticle is also really fuzzy

[grand mountain]

he asked for something functional

if you just want something for looks it doesn't matter but if you want functionality and have the budget for even lower end real optics then their benefits are significant enough to skip out on repro

[timber fog]

And I gave him a suggestion that even Izurumi used lol

[novel olive]

I dont know the context but if the person was new to Airsoft I dont think high quality stuff is needed, need to see if they like it enough before spending a lot

[timber fog]

And only swapped out for $600+ optics

I’d say that’s more than fine for airsoft

[grand mountain]

yeah i uh have my own opinions on him that im not mentioning because it's not worth it

[grand mountain]

If you're new to airsoft I would just say don't buy an optic at all

[timber fog]

Lol

Lmao, even

[coarse laurel]

lol tf

[timber fog]

Sorry to namedrop you bud

[coarse laurel]

np

[timber fog]

Didn’t mean to rope you into this

[coarse laurel]

duno what this person's issue is

[timber fog]

Fr

[grand mountain]

long story that its not worth the argument to discuss

[timber fog]

Agreed

[grand mountain]

i dont attack you or anything over it and i dont mind conversing with you izu

its not a big deal

[novel olive]

Its kinda mean dropping there is more but not saying what so he cant defend himself but at the same time its up to you and your own problem

im just not gonna judge before i experience it myself ig

[coarse laurel]

im late to the convo but whats the issue here

[grand mountain]

Last time someone brought it up they got banned which is why I won't

[coarse laurel]

lol

[timber fog]

Honestly not worth getting into

Stupid stuff

[coarse laurel]

it usually is, i havent been paying attention to the chat because not alot of worthwhile topics are being discussed

[coarse laurel]

@timber fog i had a guy awhile back posting my pictures claiming it was theirs, idk why this server attracts people like that

[shut escarp]

that's also on the real one if you up the brightness

its very clean under a magnifier tho

[grand mountain]

ye

the repro ones are just fuzzy all around tho

[coarse laurel]

if you have astigmatism the fuzziness is more pronounced

this is why im considering getting rid of my xps-3 and just getting an aimpoint T2 on a scalarworks mount

[shut escarp]

ye and honestly unless you are going for a clone look not worth it.

i do love my HHS II tho and while fuzzy on bright w no mag you defo see the reticle xD

[shut escarp]

replica or realsteel?

[coarse laurel]

real steel

[shut escarp]

cool

kinda wish i'd gotten an exps3 buut well when buying used can't be picky x)

[coarse laurel]

i love the romeo 5T and 8T

[kind fog]

From the 7 day store at hill AFB

It's got a camelbak pouch and everything

[tiny meadow]

Avg boot bag

[low zodiac]

The term “boot” never fails to make me laugh

[clever basin]

How much roubles this cost?

[coarse laurel]

2.3k for the rifle, 600 for the optic

[clever basin]

That’s insane

W

[kind fog]

I want
Semi auto high caliber rifle.. .

[prisma lintel]

get ready to fork out some money then.

[kind fog]

Money I will fork out.

[snow scarab]

depends on what you consider to be “high caliber”

people call 5.56 “high caliber”

[prisma lintel]

i assume full sized cartridge lol

[kind fog]

I mean
Something more like 7.62x51, 6.8, 6.5, 7.62x63, .338 LM, yknow.

[real whale]

7.62x51, 6.5x48, and 6.5x55 are all examples of full power "short action" cartridges though

that's a completely different class from long action cartridges like .300 win mag or .375 h&h mag

[kind fog]

They're
Moderately large
Compared to other rounds

I just want a semi auto rifle with a round that would be good in a semi auto rifle 😭

[real whale]

your "normal" semi autos are not going to have long action chamberings. stick with regular full power cartridges

[kind fog]

Ok
I want a semi automatic rifle
With
A good round
Do you have any reccomendations

[real whale]

an ar-10 type action simply isn't goona take a cartridge with a 70mm case length

[kind fog]

A multipurpose rifle

[real whale]

budget?

[kind fog]

5k.

Starting.
It could go up from there.

[real whale]

i'd assuming you want a modular black rifle?

[kind fog]

Yeah.

FDE and olive aren't really my taste.

[real whale]

tavors come in .308. could be interesting

[kind fog]

Possibly.

[real whale]

or you could look through the variety of different ar10 derivatives like the sig 716

[kind fog]

I'm not terribly into bullpups though.

[real whale]

id agree that bullpups are better in intermediate calibers

[kind fog]

That looks pretty nice actually.

[real whale]

kac sr25 is like the other generic option

for collecting, personally i still like my guns with wood

[kind fog]

I hear the sr-25 is more expensive than it's worth.

[real whale]

at 5k+, probably

deminishing returns at least

also, if you wanna blow even more than 5k, look into the hcar. very cool

[ruby tundra]

Damn that thing looks cool. $6,500-7,500 not so much lol

[real whale]

i'd honestly just get their regular BAR though

but since they asked for "multipurpose"

[ruby tundra]

God I want an old BAR with “fast fire” and “faster fire” selector

But California would have a stroke if it even touched state lines 🙄 (nor could I afford one)

[wise nexus]

Haha hell yea some of the guys in here are huge and need to hit the gym before the range

[timber fog]

A man can dream

[digital tiger]

ar15

[kind fog]

Not 5.56

[digital tiger]

Who said anything about 5.56?

[cerulean adder]

ar15 in .223

:3

[kind fog]

Not
That
Either

[valid dome]

300 blackout with a suppresor

[kind fog]

a bigger round than 7.62x39

[valid dome]

get a barrett then

[hazy mountain]

abt to hope in raid

[empty sorrel]

I wanna see the twink trying to shoot a 338 lapua now

[kind fog]

I shall become a twink and get a .338 purely to fulfill this wish.

[valid dome]

who's the hardest larper in here?

[grand mountain]

I've done it standing

5'10 120lb

[empty sorrel]

Pics needed

[grand mountain]

The only pic I have on hand is the pic of the can I have for it

If you know how to stand and mitigate recoil it's not that bad

[empty sorrel]

Love my can

[empty sorrel]

Never heard of em

Some botuiqe/ local place?

[grand mountain]

I have no idea, this can has been in the family longer than I remember

It works pretty well though

Enough dB reduction to comfortably (if not actually safely) shoot it without earpro

Sound profile pretty different too

[valid dome]

how much negative ergo does it add tho?

[grand mountain]

0 because I'm not a pussy

[valid dome]

lol

[steel sinew]

2

[tulip lagoon]

ion trust yall tarkov mfs with irl weapons

[low zodiac]

[plush topaz]

Do I look like I play tarkov

[marsh flint]

That place is a rubble

[kind fog]

Yes.

[empty sorrel]

That's not a twink, that's just a short guy

[kind fog]

Yea

[empty sorrel]

airsoft is one more channel down

[open grove]

real kit

[empty sorrel]

yeah sure

[open grove]

this guy already smart ass

one sec

[empty sorrel]

lemme see the blowout

[open grove]

You act like this is a competition ju

Just let me upload my shit in peace

[empty sorrel]

you gotta admit that looks like an airsoft muzzle

[open grove]

no no it doesnt

just dont come after me like that

[empty sorrel]

mans got the hatchet holster...
at least its better than a big knife in the middle of the PC

[open grove]

I got rid of that didnt make alot of sense to me

Its in my backpack now instead of my belt

[empty sorrel]

also I'd recommend some good otms for that 556. you wont be getting much fragmentation from 855, (or m193 in a 16" for that matter)

77gr black hills if you can get your hands on it

[empty sorrel]

it definitly doesnt look like a normal A2, what is it?

[upper plaza]

That is a weird looking MD

Must be one of those compliance ones that doesn’t accept a MD

And can’t have a flash hider

[open grove]

Just a normal a2

the pic might make it look grainy

[upper plaza]

Send a better pic of this flash hider

Weirdest one I’ve seen

[open grove]

Just a normal a2

[empty sorrel]

whys the front look so small then thats weird

[open grove]

Bruh its the same

[empty sorrel]

nah

[open grove]

bro never mind

[kind fog]

Let's wave around a loaded gun with our finger on the trigger!!!!

[plush topaz]

Loaded airsoft

[kind fog]

How tf do you load a round into an airsoft gun

Like actually
Have you ever checked the chamber of one bro It's not exactly accepting to live rounds 😭

[plush topaz]

No round was loaded

[wise nest]

idk at least the knife has a purpose

[grand mountain]

lol dork

[wise nest]

pot, kettle etc

[grand mountain]

ye

and

[meager hatch]

tarkov wipe got people getting ready

[upper plaza]

I wanted to see a ND so bad

[kind dagger]

My brother in christ, I’ll have what your smoking lol. That is literally an A2.

[snow scarab]

bros got nothing on it 😂

kit is more than just holding magazines

[snow scarab]

bro please be quiet 😭 you’ve got nothing on your kit, some random ass optic, and are showing off shit ass green tip lmfao

[grand mountain]

he seems sensitive

[brave summit]

who hurt you?

[tiny meadow]

Also has a lanyard and a mall ninja tomahawk

[snow scarab]

nobody. it’s called calling out shit tier kits lol

[marsh flint]

Yeh

Funny pic

[open grove]

That's what I thought the convo ended a long time ago and it seems people still hate me

I admit I'm pretty stupid for putting my finger on the trigger at one point

[open grove]

This ain't cod you don't need twelve attachments for a rifle

[open grove]

And clearly you know nothing about 556 m855 is not the best ammo but its healthy accurate and a whole lot better than 223 or fmj

[snow scarab]

talking about your kit numbnuts

[empty sorrel]

Do you not see how the opening is way smaller than normal?

[snow scarab]

m855 is one of the most inaccurate rounds you can buy for 556

it’s a 3-4 MOA round out of good barrels and 2 MOA at best out of really nice barrels

[open grove]

Nope

[snow scarab]

yep

[empty sorrel]

Actually, at least that of longer barrels, m193 can be expected to have much better fragmentation and against some types even better armor penetration.

[snow scarab]

there is also that

[open grove]

I said its not the best

[snow scarab]

it’s one of the worst service rounds lol

[open grove]

What do recommend then

[empty sorrel]

I can't confirm the accuracy side of it. I've never looked into that.

[old portal]

It was accurate enough for me. Just not consistent terminal ballistics

[empty sorrel]

As I said before, for a 16 inch like you've got, I would just go for some nice 77 grain OTMs. They're a good all-rounder.

They fragment much better at the velocities you'll be getting out of a 16 inch.

[snow scarab]

77 OTMs. AACs are good

m855 and m193 should be training and training only

[open grove]

Okay heard that

[snow scarab]

also please buy a real optic

[open grove]

God I hate you

[snow scarab]

just the truth

never even heard of the brand

means it’s probably not that good

[open grove]

Okay and

[snow scarab]

how much was it

[open grove]

You don't need to hear of the brand to know it its real IDC what you think about my lpvo

[empty sorrel]

I don't care about the optic, put fucking oil on that bitch though.

[snow scarab]

sure u do lmfao

well known brands make good products (most of the time)

[open grove]

No you right

I've been shooting my ak way more

But its real annoying the dust cover is giving me problems

[snow scarab]

AKs still need oil, tf

jesus christ

[simple sage]

It's getting ridiculous that Tarkov still hasn't wiped. The game is stale, overrun with players who have nothing left to do but hoard gear, making it impossible for anyone else to catch up. It's clear the current state of the game is unbalanced, with no incentive to keep playing when everyone is just sitting on mountains of loot. A wipe is long overdue, and the lack of one is making the game frustrating and boring. The devs need to wake up and realize they're killing their own game by dragging this out.
Kouptic — Today at 10:18 AM

[valid dome]

the cosplay goes nuts

[modern bear]

Reject 14.5", 16", 18". Embrace 20" AR supremacy.

[violet geyser]

Loading in raid rn^

[magic spade]

beautiful baby poop camo bro

[violet geyser]

Thank you🫶🏽

[coarse laurel]

It’s one of those off brand LPVO’s it actually has decent reviews since the glass ain’t so bad

I use em for airsoft stuff and tried them on an AK and one of my AR’s they do hold zero

But don’t get it twisted, it’s no vortex or sig lol

[tall falcon]

me n my brother use it

[plush topaz]

M855 is fmj

[coarse laurel]

It looks about right for urban ops

[plush topaz]

But it's heavy

[coarse laurel]

Meanwhile in conventional army there’s still some idiots who believe in cosplaying a fucking tortoise with full IOTV+ dick pads and neck pads and deltoids

[old portal]

My standard kit was 81 lbs before additional assault pack of other mission essentials that was usually minimum 20+ lbs

[old portal]

I can’t believe those deltoid things were ever invented and now I hear they have diaper armor….

Here’s an old classic one of my guys sent me a couple days ago. Sniper dummy I made with a confiscated broom and MRE bag head. Worked like a charm. Brought us some hero’s out after about a minute. I’m in the back ground taking shots at some of those hero’s that came out to play

[livid totem]

The glass clarity is great

[coarse laurel]

Oh yeah it’s a thing lol

The issue is we got some MF’s out here stuck fighting the last war

[old portal]

100% believe it

[coarse laurel]

I can see it now in the next conflict, there’s gonna be some blowhard E8-E-9 saying “That’s how we did it in Afghanistan”

[old portal]

I guess I can understand it tho. You always fall back on what you know. If it worked 15 years ago and you haven’t fought any other war since I guess you gotta go with what ya know

If u came back in I’d probably be trying to fight wars like early GWOT Iraq just cuz that’s what I grew up with

[coarse laurel]

The thing these days they are trying to train units on how to conduct other ways on how to do combat in JRTC/NTC but the old heads always refuse to learn from it

[old portal]

See i would be open to it cuz I know things have definitely evolved. I’ve been out 14 years now so I know things are different

[coarse laurel]

For sure

lol black horse in NTC utilizes drone swarms now

First time was definitely a wtf moment

[old portal]

I mean you mothers have pocket UAVs now. Our pocket UAV was smashing a muzzle through a window and poking a giant rail mounted Surefire through with your little head

[coarse laurel]

It’s funny how some folks are trying to live the glory days of GWOT and overemphasizing Battle drill 6

[old portal]

It was really crazy transition during my time too. I joined after 9/11 but before Iraq. It was still straight Vietnam era jungle warfare that suddenly transitioned to everything urban oriented with very little combat experience initially. My first platoon I was in as a private in ‘03 had 2 combat vets. Both early Afghanistan with Ranger batt and 101st. Fast forward 4 years and you might be in a platoon with one or two new privates no CIB and everyone else is done two combat rotations. It changed so quickly

[coarse laurel]

Bruh in the next war we are gonna be leveling those buildings

We ain’t going in there to die

Unless there’s a HVT or we are worried about collateral damage

[old portal]

Honestly that’s what we started doing in 07. Contact from a structure. Fuck clearing it. Apaches or fast movers put the roof on the first floor

[coarse laurel]

BD6 is rarely ever clean too

All it takes is one MF holding a hallway or someone with a nice kill zone planned in that building for it to go out the window

[old portal]

It’s so funny watching ppl think that BD6 is all this silent squeeze and taps super smooth flow. Real BD6 is extremely loud semi controlled chaos. Lots of yelling

That squeeze and tap shit is cool on YouTube…just not a real world thing

[coarse laurel]

I lowkey blame the SF community for this too

They made it look cool and now everyone wants to do the same

The difference is these guys hit specific buildings and it’s rehearsed over and over and they have the intel. Conventional units attempting this would be in the blind

They also have the element of surprise since they always do their raids at night too. An infantry platoon isn’t as subtle

[old portal]

Yup. All those training videos they put out over the years. Literally screaming directions to my guys throwing flashes down long halls and angles. It’s freaking wild. Even the targeted hits we did got wild. It usually was initiated by us breaching the gate with the Stryker and then dropping ramp followed by explosive or ballistic breaches with bangers. Knock knock

[coarse laurel]

You best believe I’m throwing grenades in windows and basements

[old portal]

I only ever threw frags once in combat. I was so concerned with the collateral. So many innocent fams still where we mostly operated. It was off a three story into the alleys below us fighters kept trying to bound thru

[marsh flint]

Did you witness the effect

[supple seal]

Need ideas for placing the other cards

[hearty viper]

Get a miniature card and have it on your keys

[supple seal]

oooh Idk about miniature, but that's a good one

gotta use these full sized ones up

[hearty viper]

Rip the RFID chip out of your gym card if you have one then put it into a labs card

[supple seal]

omfg

amazing idea

[tranquil hare]

Full juggernaut armor and it's t6

[hearty viper]

I did that with my student access card

[supple seal]

Might even be able to take a picture of one and use it as the card style

[supple seal]

how tf did you get it into the new card?

[hearty viper]

Well the labs card I got had a chip in it already

I used an RFID scanner we had in one of the labs to copy the codes over

[old portal]

Just clouds of black smoke…not like the movies. No BDA done but that alley was no longer used trying to out flank another squad that was working on the ground

[real whale]

rip as in pull the data and not physically disassemble

[supple seal]

oh jeez rick

[empty sorrel]

RFID is easy

Just like nfc

[twilit talon]

ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHY I CANT RECEIVE THE FUCKING CODE OF VERIFICATION BY EMAIL ??

[hard reef]

Anyone know any good FDE AR Slings that they can recommend me pls?

[plush flax]

Yeah the BFG Vickers padded sling is the industry standard

[hushed needle]

Not mine but purchasable in Maine, its origin is questionable at best….

[old portal]

I was running the first version of that by Viking Tactics prior to BFG Vickers in Iraq 2007. Ran the same sling in my patrol rifle as a cop for years afterward. Solid solid sling

[coarse laurel]

@old portal

[old portal]

Damn pines got em

[wicked flume]

ahahah FLNC?

[coarse laurel]

Moore

[wicked flume]

damn thats tough

[coarse laurel]

This is a RSLC/Pathfinder jump

[wicked flume]

sick

[coarse laurel]

Uh-60 jump with an MC-6 in a tiny ass DZ

lol

[wicked flume]

We’ve got wide ass open DZ’s here.

[old portal]

So does Moore…until you miss it lol

[coarse laurel]

Basically we are using the Darby AO not Fryar

We got some weird DZ’s we use

For free fall and other schools

[flint finch]

dear god....

[flint finch]

u cn use the main chip from like gym tags or other lill scanny things n put em in the labs card

and then give someone PTSD when u scan in

[snow scarab]

blue force gear

[hard reef]

I just bought a knock off on AliExpress and the real thing, gonna compare them but I doubt the bfg is worth 65$ tbh. Looks the same quality as the ones on AliExpress

[grand mountain]

[hard reef]

AliExpress makes some good products man, not that temu garbage

[grand mountain]

lmfao ok

[stray torrent]

Tree meister? King of the trees?

[wary raven]

When you hear "AliExpress is just as good as BFG" it's a lost cause man

[worldly orbit]

I thought that both of them are the same just rebranded shit

[plush topaz]

It's true

Only really learned this while living in Israel. Can get some great stuff for cheap.

[grand mountain]

Yeah I'm not even bothering

[wary raven]

Some of my Rusfor stuffs

[silver topaz]

now i want one but in EMR 😂

[wary raven]

That's vile and you should feel ashamed of yourself for saying that

[snow scarab]

it absolutely is. it’s the difference between american products and american manufactured vs chinese. i will always pay the premium for american made gear over chinese. not to mention coatings, stitching, durability, and warranty is normally better from american companies

[wary raven]

^

There's a reason why most high tier units use BFG items

Cause they're good

I had a two point sling when I was in

[marsh flint]

BSG items

[wary raven]

Ferro Concepts too is fantastic

[plush topaz]

I have good luck with some knockoff stuff.

Certain pouches and what not

My drone bag is airsoft lol

I brought a ton of magazine pouches for the guys for less than 1/4 the price of brand name. It all gets ravaged and destroyed anyways in Gaza lol

I can't believe how well my kit has held up so far. Not one issue. (no Chinese shit on my carrier or belt.

[marsh flint]

At least the cover was probably made in usa

[wary raven]

This was my old JPC

Esstac, BFG stuff mostly

AVS shoulders cause JPC ones suck ass

[plush topaz]

Agilite baby!

[wary raven]

Never used any Agilite kit

Heard good things though

[marsh flint]

I have an agilite placard

It's good

Id get all savotta buy it's stupidly expensive

But that's what it is when you don't manufacture them in China

[muted gate]

Or.... Hear me out...... Buy chinesium for shit first. If you like it and it breaks you buy good shit.

[snow scarab]

jesus christ

anti prone kit

[wary raven]

Nah I could go prone hella easy, I usually just kept snacks in the big GP so it flattened down nicely once it was empty

[old portal]

Don’t need to prone when your war is against 25m target frames 😂

[snow scarab]

true that

[wary raven]

But what if the frames shoot back hmm?

[old portal]

Then you’ve went to the wrong range sir

[wary raven]

Jokes aside, I'll take a JPC over the armour I was originally issued any day

[tawny bane]

Some plates

Waitnig for a slick plate carrier

Wanna a lbt one, but it very hard to found and price high af

[tawny bane]

Granit yeah

Hardcore Russian plates

No standalone

Ordered this but new version

In multicam

[marsh flint]

Haha

[empty sorrel]

You bought Granit plates?

Why?

I'm pretty sure you would have had to pay a pretty penny for them and you still have the risk of them just being reproduction or training plates

[tawny bane]

170$ per plate, their factory new 100% ballistic

[empty sorrel]

Lemme see the back

[tawny bane]

good luck for read this shit

there is written the name of the plate, the protection class, the standard by which it is made,and the batch number

[empty sorrel]

Only gost4?

[tawny bane]

They have 5+ class but they sold out

[empty sorrel]

Well it'll probably handle 556 threats

At least most

Wouldn't trust it with 308

What do they weigh.

[coarse laurel]

@old portal lol i fucking hate it when people just go prone when taking contact instead of getting the fuck out of the open

it doesnt make you disappear plus you are still in the open

[old portal]

Battle drill 1A embedded into the skull

[outer leaf]

What type of plates are those

[tawny bane]

Russian granit

[outer leaf]

IDEK if russian armor is decent

[tawny bane]

It handle armor-piercing incendiary bullet from PKM

[tawny bane]

Its heavy and not standalone

[tawny bane]

3.2 kg

Per one

[empty sorrel]

That's pretty heavy for 556 protection.

Like that's barely lighter than low quality level 4 plates.

7lb...

So uh... Why?

[outer leaf]

Whats that in been to the moon units

[tawny bane]

Huh?

[tawny bane]

I dont have a good alternative

I can buy only this

[outer leaf]

in lbs lol

[tawny bane]

Or overpriced china standalone

With label "made in Russia"

[outer leaf]

RIP where do you live?

[tawny bane]

What is it

Ah, this not metric

[outer leaf]

Pounds

[tawny bane]

Wait a minite

[outer leaf]

I know its 2.2lbs per kilo

so like 6 something pounds per plate

[tawny bane]

Like a 7.2

[outer leaf]

Where do you live that you can only get russian and chinese armor?

[tawny bane]

Russia i said

[outer leaf]

Yeah you have no chance of getting good american armor

[tawny bane]

Chance low af but we have it

I know guy who use a velocity systems

[outer leaf]

Someone violated ITAR lmao

[tawny bane]

He buy it after embargo

[tawny bane]

I saw video guys shoiting from PKM to paraclete plates vs russian

Russian win btw

[empty sorrel]

Are you European?

[empty sorrel]

Its GOST4, its not rated for 7.62x54

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards

And it looks like it was made in 2017

[tawny bane]

4+

[tawny bane]

Eurasia

Slavic

100% Russian

[empty sorrel]

Oof

[hard reef]

I would agree with this statement on almost anything gun related such as uppers and lowers, but a sling is literally fabric... There is no difference between "American made" and "Chinese made". Its just fabric lmfao

[old portal]

Not at all about fabric. It’s about stitching quality and the sling keeper/adjustment material. That’s your failure points.

[grand mountain]

uhhh

yeah about that

there is very much a difference

Also vietnam is where the good shit is for fabric, american stitching and assembly is much better than chinese shit, and there is absolutely a difference in quality between fabric itself

[hard reef]

AliExpress isn't specifically Chinese like Temu. Most of their products are actually from other countries such as Vietnam like you mentioned. It's just a massive global marketplace for countries like Brazil, Russia, and others who don't have access to big reputable ecom marketplaces like Amazon. I've bought many things on AliExpress which were better quality than the us variant, I would highly recommend looking into them and not having such bias

[grand mountain]

Aliexpress is still chinese shit, it's just getting it from the source instead of being dropshipped

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722156836610113597/996360406731866253/TacGear.mov?ex=66c90b30&is=66c7b9b0&hm=51e4bced60934b2c407b38e3c497ea846e70d3d36dca4b800020f720123963a9&

real gear does not tear or break this easily

[hard reef]

It's really not, I've bought things on AliExpress which were shipped and made in Tuvalu lmao

[grand mountain]

I feel like you're just a lost cause and aren't going to listen to everyone else telling you that you're wrong