irl-gear

[muted gate]

which doesn't make sense to me because it just made them a load of money

[plush topaz]

I can't buy their stuff either. I just ask cops to buy it for me lol

[muted gate]

I don't understand why they made it so you can't buy their stuff

Like I didn't buy it in the first place, but I'm trying to figure out the logic

[plush topaz]

Because too many people were buying it.

Great logic eh lol

[muted gate]

Dude I remember when Nairobi talked about his shit everyone was buying Arcturus

[plush topaz]

I don't know what you're talking about

[muted gate]

So the mask that the dude said he bought from Kstore is a clone of the Arcteryx Balaclava

so when the kit list for narobi came out, everyone in their mother was buying everything the dude was wearing And it made them an assload of money

So when they stopped selling leaf, I just don't Understand the logic aside from we can't keep up with demand

[plush topaz]

Ah

[plush topaz]

[muted lynx]

yeah that was a interesting move

[tiny meadow]

Bro wanna be gmr so bad

[tiny meadow]

Yup

[prisma dock]

Did the course involve having g to clean up the mess that the CIA leaves behind? I feel that is quite relevant these days 🤣

Nice picture tough 👌

[young path]

i just got an ad for this, whats the catch lol

https://nightoperators.com/products/fusion

[timber fog]

Digital night vision 🤢

[young path]

it's not night vision though

thats the only reason im intrigued

[timber fog]

It’s literally just a thermal with digital NV built in

It advertises like mom said we have an ENVG-B at home

But it’s not

[young path]

well right, idk

im intrigued because I've never seen any of these poor man nods advertisements that claim thermal at all

if that thermal is legit, honestly worth it lol

[low zodiac]

Digital needs to hurry up

I’m not dropping 4k on a mono setup

[grand mountain]

for nods?

4k for a pvs-14 is robbery

[low zodiac]

I can’t find any units under 2500-3100 for a gen3

2500 being the blems

Plus the helmet, plus the laser, plus the other miscellaneous shit NVGs gotta deal with

[grand mountain]

1.4k or so is usually what pvs-14s go for lol

At least in the US

[low zodiac]

If it was that cheap I’d buy it

1400 will barely scrape into gen2 on eBay

Like maybe a pvs7

[grand mountain]

your first problem is trying to buy night vision on ebay instead of tacswap and facebook groups

https://www.tacswap.com/post/66a1de77a8ed536f887d99e6

offer this dude like 1400

And boom, norotos dovetail mount and J-arm for 200
https://www.tacswap.com/post/669fd3868b08514386934584

Can't remember if pvs-14 takes dovetail or bayonet tho

[low zodiac]

id like to have a name and a number in case something is wrong with my 1400 dollar purchase

[grand mountain]

pay through paypal goods and services and you're pretty safe

[low zodiac]

i have beef with paypal

(they are anti 2nd amendment)

[grand mountain]

If you bought that guy's 14 though I'd try to negotiate it down

to like 1200 or 1300

it has 2 small blems

and no spec sheet

byeah you can find an ops core bump secondhand for like 300-350, a tube for like 1400-1600, and a mount and j-arm for 200-300

less than 3.5k

[low zodiac]

i will earn about 4k total across the whole summer while working

😔

[grand mountain]

rip

[low zodiac]

im hoping eventually digital will get good enough to substitute for analog

around $500 is what id value it at, anything more and guns interest me more

[young path]

lol this conversation reminded me of talking to my dad about night vision

he thought digital would be better than analogue, not knowing anything about it

was in disbelief when I told him there are no serious digital ones yet, and everything good is analogue

[grand mountain]

I have my doubts about digital ever surpassing analogue

Especially since, at least atm, digital needs supplemental IR light (giving you away to everyone with analogue)

[young path]

probably because his only experience with night vision, was this

(not a photo of him)

[grand mountain]

yeah in most other things like sound and film, digital is better than analogue

Just not night vision kek

[young path]

oh also one of those russian ones, the NSPU

[grand mountain]

😭

Isn't that the russian NV scope that looks like a bitchwhacker flashlight

[young path]

he didnt know anything about that stuff, but a guy was selling it at the flea market as a "old russian telescope"

and he happened to be a native russian speaker lol "yeah its kinda cool, how bout 60 bucks"

[young path]

yeah this one

[grand mountain]

Lmfao

[young path]

he sold it to a collector before I could get to it :(

[plush topaz]

We used to use the SLS on our FN Mags

Pvs-2 I reckon

[young path]

yeah that was PVS-2

i imagine israel had their own version, since they also had a version of the SU49/PAS 5

[empty sorrel]

Now they are combining digital thermal with analog NV

[young path]

i had some of the israeli goggles from the 60s

for 60's, very very impressive actually lol

[plush topaz]

Got any pics?

[young path]

sold a long time ago

looked like these

[elfin silo]

@outer leaf It's assembled

[outer leaf]

Nice!

[empty sorrel]

Quickclot?

[muted lynx]

Mans got the golden star

[elfin silo]

Can't justify spending 45 dollars on some gauze I opted for regular gauze instead

[elfin silo]

Yeah I live in armenia they sell it everywhere it was 400 drams which is about 1.20$

[grand mountain]

quikclot has a different use case than gauze

it's a hemostatic that literally chemically fuses to your flesh and has to be surgically removed later

for quickly stopping really big bleeds

[muted lynx]

I’ve been messing with the coyote tactical burrito. I really like it.

Holds a lot without being big.

Very comfy on a belt and doesn’t dangle or anything

1x CAT Gen7
1x Nitrile Gloves
1x Flat fold surgical tape
1x Hyfin Vent pair
1x 28F NPA
1x 4″ pressure dressing
1x Combat Gauze
1x Hypothermia blanket
1x Trauma sheers

and i added a few odds and ends. that's just my belt ifak though, i have a full sized one in my bag usually

[elfin silo]

What the fuck.....

[elfin silo]

Wikipedia says it just clots your blood not chemically fuse

[grand mountain]

I'm going off of what guys that have seen it used and used it have told me

[elfin silo]

Sorry it causes 2nd degree burns to the tissue. When it comes in contact with blood it releases a lot of heat that may look like chemical bonding

Is there any cheaper alternative to quickclot I'll spend 10-15

[muted lynx]

when it comes to life saving equipment, it's best to get what you want and not cheap out.

like i would never trust a knockoff cat tourniquet in the moments i would need one.

[old portal]

It clots due to chemical reaction

[empty sorrel]

https://www.amazon.com/QuikClot-Advanced-Clotting-Gauze-24/dp/B07WV5P9RS/

Or buy some off ebay

[elfin silo]

I got it

My wallets crying 😭

[lime stag]

Idf? You a regular or got activated

[plush topaz]

Reservist

[snow scarab]

quikclot fuses to the blood vessels. it has to be cut out, even in gauze form

[plush topaz]

What is level 3++

[burnt tulip]

Level 3+ but better

Cuh

[marsh flint]

It's like c++

"better than c"

[low fox]

Helmets save lives!

[plush topaz]

[empty sorrel]

rated only for the stated threat
No threat stated

Lol

How much does it weigh, and what color is the strike fase ceramic?

[lime stag]

I almost had six shades of stroke at first glance I thought those were cat ears

[lime stag]

Hows the general state of training amongst the activated dudes

If you dont mind me asking, ive always wondered what the general opinion was of the guys who randomly get activated out of essentially civilian life

[plush topaz]

They're the best trained

Oh reservists.

Worst trained. Most experienced.

[timber fog]

They’re calling you meal team 6 on reddit lol

[lime stag]

so id hazard a guess that despite having a reasonably large professional force, you activate reservists to combat deployments just as much as the US does

[plush topaz]

The standing infantry is quite a small force

[real thorn]

is it just me or did I recently see that post with that exact caption on the airsoft subreddit

[low zodiac]

Assault shovel

[brisk zealot]

Anyone here use spiritus stuff or L4 preformance?

[grand mountain]

I have some spiritus stuff

I run their dangler and I've tried their spud pouches, they're good

[brisk zealot]

I was thinking about the spuds, they seem quite nice

[low fox]

I’m a super secret meal team 6 special operator green beret 75th ranger battalion 31 Bravo obviously.

[low fox]

Damn right ya did

They locked the post lol, I sparked a war in the comments because of one of my patches

[grand mountain]

they're pretty nice and versatile

can hold a lot of diff shit

[idle mural]

does that take those famous assault 30 round clips

[low zodiac]

30 holes per second

[idle mural]

now thats scary, hope they ban them around schools

[fluid plover]

No assault weapons

[old portal]

Who’s still using the Harris’?

[rich stag]

case

I just wanted to look cool and cag…

[old portal]

We were using those in 07 and 09 on deployments. Surely they’ve been replaced by now

[rich stag]

well to be completely honest with you they’re abundant I believe

not that I know anything about the us military

[grand mountain]

The military still does I think

But I think they also now use the MPU-5 and motorola radios like XTS-5000

[old portal]

Ya we had the Harris that was kinda replacing the Thales PRC148 MBITR at the time. Surprised to still see a Harris

[grand mountain]

They use the PRC-152 now afaik

Motorola XTS-5000s are badass

AES 256 encryption iirc, analog and digital

[real thorn]

lmao, the attack heli one or the infidel patch?

[tawny bane]

Sexy

[worldly orbit]

I mean holy shit

You can’t tell a difference that they are on for people speaking

When u turn em off its deaf but when on it’s like the sound is as if I don’t have anything on, no weird electrical noises or distortion

[worldly orbit]

Missing some cigs or a juul, you never know when might need one

[flint finch]

its the most beautiful thing iv ever seen

[low zodiac]

I worked very hard on it 🙏

[snow scarab]

the i love the SPUD. have one on all 3 plate carriers i own

[snow scarab]

airshit

[snow scarab]

not really. 152s and 154s are pretty heavily used by regular army. idk what SOCOM uses tho. @coarse laurel might know

[coarse laurel]

SOCOM uses MPU5’s

[worldly orbit]

obviously a regular grunt wont have a 30k worth radio

[old portal]

Not sure what the cost was but as a “regular grunt” in the bn recce platoon we had some pretty advanced radio systems we used to setup satcom with portable satellite in remote areas. We used it to remotely send reconnaissance photos and intel

[coarse laurel]

You would be surprised, it depends on the unit and mission set

Naturally some units are funded better than others

[old portal]

Just as a rifle SL I was on the hook for well over a million worth of equipment I had to sign for

[coarse laurel]

For example, BSB’s and lower tier units still use old stuff like PVS-7’s

Meanwhile a combined arms BN in the same brigade would be using the new 42’s

[old portal]

Hell they made me sign for my squads Stryker overseas….as if I’m going to somehow misplace it

[coarse laurel]

All that BII

I was signed for 2 M113A3’s and a 577 and their BII

And the MES chests for all them

[old portal]

Yup. Not sure if it’s like this every unit but all the SI assigned to my squad I signed for. I assume it’s to enforce the SI checks multiple times a day

[low fox]

Attack Helicopter lol

[real thorn]

lmao

[low fox]

They didn’t like the infidel patch either, was funny though. I didn’t realize I’d start a massive fight in the comments for 2 silly patches

[old portal]

I could almost see the army coming after you like an insurance adjuster for damage it acquired in combat…you signed you’re responsible…so sorry

[coarse laurel]

lol I made sure I covered my ass before pcsing

For this place I got 2 FLA’s and a MRAZR

And a trailer

And a govt pick up truck

2017 ram 1500

lol

[old portal]

Bro I had an SL that was PCSing that was missing so much shit once and tried to get me to sign a hand receipt for it without doing a layout cuz he was too busy with the PCS…I was too busy to sign. Missing several tripods with T&Es and other random expensive shit

Dude was trying screw me on that one

[coarse laurel]

They are replacing ours with a ford lightning soon

But that truck sucks

Since it’s EV

[coarse laurel]

Bro fuck that

[old portal]

The army would overpay for an EV

[old portal]

Ya he got quite a statement of charges for that one

[coarse laurel]

In Benning the GSA’s are mostly EV’s now

Like teslas

And we have chargers in the compound

[old portal]

Of course “Moore” would go green for overpriced shit

[coarse laurel]

What’s funny is someone stole the commander’s truck and totaled it

[old portal]

Now that’s a classic move

[worldly orbit]

madlad

[storm peak]

Must be nice

I'm assigned a raggedy ass 15 pax van

[sour ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987516534224220182/1267840838130733087/IMG_6794.jpg?ex=66aa404b&is=66a8eecb&hm=210164313db445e3451b1a3027d75838f8864d56cd89ad5c581be19d09064b6f&

now this is pogger

6b23 aquired

[muted gate]

This the one you got stuck out in the middle of assf uck nowhere with

[coarse laurel]

That was another one, the transmission belt snapped that’s why it can’t go to gear

[snow scarab]

a regular grunt in our sniper section gets a mk22. full setup is around 25 grand

[snow scarab]

pretty sure pvs-7s are phased out by now 😂

[coarse laurel]

You would be surprised

You should see some of the outdated shit support units have

[snow scarab]

considering my guard unit has a fuck load of extra pvs14s, i guess so

[coarse laurel]

I once found an M79 grenade launcher in one of the arms rooms

[snow scarab]

ok now that’s just cool

[coarse laurel]

One of the arms rooms I’ve helped laid out had a grease gun

In bliss

[muted gate]

there's a story of some dude finding like a bakers dozen worth of garands in the back of an armory iirc

[snow scarab]

jesus fuck

[muted gate]

tbf those only got ditched in the 90s

the 113 weapons rack above the driver is for an m3

[coarse laurel]

And tankers

[snow scarab]

wanna hear some bullshit?

[coarse laurel]

This is why they wanna adopt a SBR version of the SPEAR

Also APC-9K’s are issued in limited amounts in the army

[muted gate]

They keep trying to press that gun into roles that it is not meant for

[coarse laurel]

Mostly PSD’s and MP’s

[snow scarab]

one of our companies of tanks went and did stinger missile training today. and they are doing javelins on thursday. THE TANKERS. not the battalion scouts or the infantry company. THE FUCKIN TANKERS

[coarse laurel]

And some CA units

[muted gate]

This is going to go horribly And the pendulum is going to swing extremely far back to just MP fives

[snow scarab]

you could say the same thing for the m4 from the m16

[coarse laurel]

It only means they have a good LT/Commander that thinks about their guys’ training

[snow scarab]

battalion sent them

[muted gate]

Yeah but what isn't already rocking a 13 inch barrel

[coarse laurel]

The way it works is in training meetings they would recommend their guys get the training and had a case for it

Early bird gets the worm

[muted gate]

I'm just imagining the TOE for Abrams tankers with stingers strapped to the back like the North Koreans do

[coarse laurel]

Your leadership needs to step up

[muted gate]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/modernwar/images/0/04/300px-Javelin_surface_to_air_missile_launcher.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100428203102

I'm just imagining some terribly cludged together modernization of javelin

bolted to the back of an Abrams turret

[coarse laurel]

An abrams can shoot low flying aircraft as it is

[muted gate]

https://preview.redd.it/north-koreas-chŏnma-216-tank-an-upgraded-t-62-which-while-v0-gocqp34o8h2c1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2205f189fc53664222d240edb11b90738bc8c620

I don't think you're getting what I was joking about

[coarse laurel]

lol

[muted gate]

https://preview.redd.it/north-korea-showing-off-a-local-armata-abrams-clone-during-v0-hglw0sh0h5ha1.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ed3f5dd51b75ac2e32d4c13de37253df0b3a5ff

[coarse laurel]

Half the shit North Korea has is for show anyways

[muted gate]

You've also got the cardboard Abrams

[coarse laurel]

Have you seen their AK’s with the cylindrical mags?

Basically a 5.45 Bizon

[muted gate]

My guy I have friends that collect North Korean stuff, I have literally asked them do you have a video of them ever firing one of those and they are like no I have never seen one And I've only ever seen it in a parade and I have never seen it anywhere else

[muted gate]

And these are guys that are like full of the tism spirit

[coarse laurel]

That mag is welded

[muted gate]

It's really funny because I know people that are tism tastic for North Korean crap

And they have never seen a video of it fire

[old portal]

That’s your recruiting Vic?

[old portal]

When we got new M500 breach guns in 04 we turned in the old Winchester 12ga with the exposed hammers, barrel heat shield and bayo lugs….

[worldly orbit]

here its hk417 setup

or axmc

actually that mpu5 they say costs like 10k now

[snow scarab]

we’ve got m110a1s (semi auto 417s) and barret MRADs

[old portal]

My platoon pulled an M1 out of a weapons cache in late 07 early 08. Pretty well known picture of my PSG holding it up several hours after the raid when BN showed up with combat photographer

[worldly orbit]

mgs though

fn mags and shit 😄

but its 7.62 so it shreads

the first rifle i had was a version of G3 made in 1965 xd

its surprisingly precise

you guys got any idea how to acquire arcteryx leaf products?

for like normal prices

[outer leaf]

My gear is being inspected

[snow scarab]

have you posted your cat on tiktok? swear to god i saw a cat with the exact same bald spot today 😂

[outer leaf]

Nah I dont have tik tok

[iron lynx]

whats some recommendation for camo for north east US? have a couple in mind but wanted to see what people think

[restive stratus]

Cabela’s or mossy oak

[crisp talon]

One for the Army, one for home, and one for shooting 😝

[low fox]

Love Mechanix gloves, really good quality and really comfortable

Ended up cutting the thumb part off the glove for better ergonomics with AR platform rifles.

[crisp talon]

Hmm makes sense. Thought about it in some occasions, but I often wear them in rough environments where wear and tear are guaranteed so it’s either the gloves or my skin

[lime stag]

There is no way he can get that mag in and outta there, there definitely isnt enough clearance to get the mag to sit properly in there I refuse to believe it

And the fuck is folded over his dust cover

[low fox]

True. I can always sew it back on if I need to, but for the past few years it’s worked well for me. I still have all the fingers on the other glove and then just the thumb cut on the right hand. If I end up using AK pattern rifles in Ukraine I’ll probably revert back to an uncut glove

[crisp talon]

Eh it’s Mechanix just have multiple pairs ready lol

[low fox]

Probably, we shall see

[storm peak]

Wait wait you also have a bombay? What's his name

[outer leaf]

Ebony, He came for da free with my gf

[storm peak]

He adorable

[outer leaf]

Hes such a good boy. I have mad pics of him now

[storm peak]

Male bombay cats are extremely cuddly

My lil guy, raven, is quite chunky now tho, mfer 16 lbs

[crisp talon]

The eternal night is nigh 😄

[storm peak]

For some reason mine really enjoys being on top of the blankets I brought back from syria

[low fox]

Top Gun

[lime stag]

I WILL steal a stray cat, IT WILL live with me in the barracks, IT WILL NOT be discovered during inspections

[storm peak]

whats her name

[low zodiac]

My dad had a cat named “sabot” that lived in his barrack

He was never caught

[crisp talon]

Cosette

[storm peak]

leg

[crisp talon]

Atta boy! That’s the spirit!

[old portal]

I was just a leg as well…

[storm peak]

leg

[old portal]

Yup. Sadly it was damn near impossible to get schools then

[storm peak]

ye ol fracu

them comfy mfers

[old portal]

We got lucky and got these. This was when they first started issuing them to only the units going on Afghan deployments around 09…everyone in our recce platoon got 1 set of them for our Iraq deployment in late 09. Like pajamas. One of the few things I kept after ETS

[tepid ingot]

Das goobster

[tepid ingot]

Fire name fr

[crisp talon]

AT EAAAAAAASE!!!! 😫

Kalashnikoffee

[crisp talon]

No goals no purposes only meow meow

[outer leaf]

More void

[outer leaf]

Work cat

[crisp talon]

A Black Hole 😊

Love how clean your Void is

[outer leaf]

He gets brushed like every other day and pet all day every day so he’s a clean boi

He knows he is being talked about too

[crisp talon]

I should, I should too... You remind me of such duty and responsibility I should keep on 😭

It's really hard with 7 cats tho lol

To clip them all... that's 126 claws to clip...

[outer leaf]

Luckily I don’t have to trim his claws he is good either the furniture and gentle with my girlfriend and I

[snow scarab]

idk what imma do with my uniforms when i finish my contract.

@storm peak i’m probably gonna try to be a Raven for the airforce

cause the army guard just ain’t it rn

[storm peak]

I mean

Go active or reserves

[snow scarab]

no

reserves are worse

objectively

[storm peak]

Guard locks you into a state, atleast with the reserves you can request deployments and mobilizations

Faster promos in the reserves

[snow scarab]

you can also do that with the guard lol

[low zodiac]

Booooo

Fly for the guard be awesome

[storm peak]

You can drill out of state in the reserves

[snow scarab]

air force i don’t have to have a slot open

i take a test and pass a PT test and i can promote

plus as a Raven i would constantly be on active orders and flying all over the world

[storm peak]

Just drop a 153a packet if you want to fly you dingus

[low zodiac]

ROTC

[storm peak]

Why

He has AFS time

Green to gold would be much faster

Let alone you don't pick your branch as an officer

Guaranteed way to get into a pilot seat in the army is flight warrent (153A) or become a 15W

[old portal]

I kept one set of BDUs I modified fur Iraq, one set of ACU and the set of multicam. All used on deployment. Everything else went to a surplus store

[snow scarab]

i don’t want to fly.

that’s not what i meant by fly all over the world

raven is the security forces guys that guard aircraft flying around the world and into possible hostile environments

[storm peak]

You wanna sit in an airplane that has no wifi and horrible a/c for days on end?

Airport support services are dope don't get it twisted

But why would you want to deal with that

[marsh flint]

such a cutie

[marsh flint]

❤️

[marsh flint]

aaaw how spoilt is he

[outer leaf]

Man see cat man pet cat

[low fox]

what camo pattern is that on the plate carrier?

[outer leaf]

M81 woodland

[low fox]

modern gear in M81 looks awesome tbh

[outer leaf]

It’s also still a very effective camo

[low fox]

I've got some old M81 pants I wear from time to time, still a decent camo pattern in a lot of more forested/green areas, love m81

[violet geyser]

M81 is indeed the camo

[main shoal]

What’re you using to get the gun to float? Fishing wire?

[violet geyser]

Yea dude!!😂

[main shoal]

😮

[grand mountain]

need to swap those kneepads out for the tan ones

[cobalt bramble]

☝️

[cobalt bramble]

Can respect the use of air forces unironically

Mine held up well for like 2 years of daily use and I only just replaced them

Solid shoe very comfy

[hybrid pelican]

Finally got a bag that doesn’t suck

[crisp talon]

And here’s a bag that sucks

[leaden nimbus]

Pentagon Milon PC with two double stack Elpis mag pouches, a multipouch, and boo boo kit spread across two Kyvos utility pouches. Does not come with a cumberbund, but can be bought and easy to set up. All cordura.

[shell saddle]

Coupled magazines go insanely hard

[low zodiac]

Coupled

[snow scarab]

gross, rfi combat pants

[snow scarab]

jesus christ, please set that up better

[violet geyser]

Best gear is the gear you train with🤷🏻‍♂️ do you train?

[low zodiac]

[snow scarab]

yes. lmfao

[low zodiac]

He’s army

Big army

[snow scarab]

how do you think i know they are RFI’d combat pants?

[violet geyser]

Army doesn’t equalize training at all,in fact I think civilians that are more into it are probably better off

[snow scarab]

yes and no

[violet geyser]

I don’t know and I don’t care lol. Pencil pushers get rfi

[snow scarab]

the majority of civilian firearm owners do not adequately use their firearms

[low zodiac]

It depends on the type of training

You can’t really experience helicopters any other way

[violet geyser]

I was talking in the sense of infantry like training but you’re not wrong in that way🤷🏻‍♂️

[low zodiac]

They’re intertwined

They take you to places more remote than a car could believe of taking you

I got fucked by the environment more than opfor at my first “”””real”””” ftx

[snow scarab]

just enjoy the gun runs we called in during training

[low zodiac]

Was absolutely not prepared for how brutal mountainous terrain was to live in

Or fight in

[violet geyser]

Did cool training with Iraq CTS

[violet geyser]

Nice

[violet geyser]

Alpine school

[low zodiac]

That ain’t a thing

I just go climb mountains now as practice

[snow scarab]

anyway, i still stand by the fact that the issued combat pants are absolute dog shit and objectively bad in both their material quality and adjustments

i prefer my cryes and norarms. norarms are a bit too thick for out here tho

[low fox]

Chill 11 mags on the front

(need to get rid of those nasty brown marks on the 3 mag pouch)

[storm peak]

theyre comfy

[snow scarab]

not in my opinion. they are too rough

[storm peak]

not as comfy as pcus mind you

[snow scarab]

i sent mine home, that’s how much i hated them

[storm peak]

tbh im actually a fan of the rfi issue

some good stuff in it

[lime stag]

I will NOT stand for molle ii assault pack slander

[grand mountain]

Crye can't be beat

Crye combats legit just feel like wearing baggy jeans or sweatpants

[hybrid pelican]

How’s my shooter stance

[formal skiff]

Holosun boy

[stiff dune]

Trex Arms AC1
Trex Arms Shingle

[crisp talon]

Level 2 plate?

[stiff dune]

Ferro Concepts Bison Belt
Safariland
Esstac Kiwi Glock mags
Esstac Kiwi AR mags

[stiff dune]

Just a temp insert while I shop and look for decent lvl 4 plates

[crisp talon]

I feel ya. Don’t wanna go budget on plates either.

[stiff dune]

I dont wanna go budget on things Id trust my life with ya feel

[raw river]

Any recommendations for a cummerbund that has good ventilation? In the deep south and I have an lbt 6094

[stiff dune]

This is more for covert "concealed" PC
Next purchase is going to be a FCPC more than likely

Got a few buddies w it and its pretty nice

[raw river]

Looking to spend nothing over 175ish

[crisp talon]

I’d say save more

You get more options when you have more budget and often they worth it

[stiff dune]

Do you care if its elastic or not

[raw river]

Nah

The lbt has decent support and padding

[stiff dune]

From all the PCs I tried the Trex Arms Elastic Cummerbund is most comfortable, buts its hook and loop; idk if you have a preference

Ferro has a good one too

[raw river]

I was looking at the crye stretch but I can't see waist dimensions anywhere

[raw river]

Nah anything but trex

Pedo cult company

[stiff dune]

https://ferroconcepts.com/collections/cummerbunds/products/adapt-3-assault-cummerbund

https://ferroconcepts.com/collections/cummerbunds/products/fcpc-cec-carry-elastic-cummerbund

Ive had good expereince with these

These if you dont like hook and loop

https://shaw-concepts.com/products/minimal-signature-releasable-msr-cummerbund?_pos=2&_sid=abcc2cf79&_ss=r

[snow scarab]

gross

[stiff dune]

thanks

[outer leaf]

Might get this bad boy wrapped

[stiff dune]

Whatre you wrapping it in

RG surely

[outer leaf]

Either RG or M81

I've been down bad for M81 lately

[stiff dune]

m81 is sexc ngl

What color is the rest of your gear?

[outer leaf]

My belt is black and plate carrier is m81

[stiff dune]

Wrap the mf in m81 fs

[real thorn]

I found someone selling 2nd hand GPNVGs

[stiff dune]

that boy STIFF as hell

Ronin Tactics Belt?

[outer leaf]

Nah it’s a 5.11 belt

[stiff dune]

dam F

I dont hear alot of good things from 5.11

I have thier glvoes tho so I can confirm they are g2g buts theyre tearing

Looking at the ferro pigs

[outer leaf]

The belt has been great for me but will be replaced with a blue force gear eventually

[stiff dune]

rgr, I hear alot of good about blue force but I have had the experience to work with one

[tiny meadow]

Ew

[outer leaf]

Look into the esstac placard

[stiff dune]

I saw it; didnt really fit what I was looking for

Needed a slim front end

[outer leaf]

This is the full drip

[stiff dune]

For the FCPC Im getting I will forsure get that esstac placard

[stiff dune]

Gas; everything you need and not overdone

chefs kiss

[outer leaf]

Tbh the esstac placard is maybe a mm or two more pushed out then your current kit

[outer leaf]

Thank you. I try not to run shit just to have it

[stiff dune]

Is it really that slim? I have the esstac AR mag on my Bison so I based it off of that

The Kiwi insert makes it a lil big

[stiff dune]

Yeah laot of mfs like to just add a bunch of shit they would never use or train; so seeing this is perfect

[outer leaf]

Yeah its slim. I'll take a side profile pic for you

See

It barely adds anything and it’s sooo much better than the elastic mag holders. I ran those for 6 months and decided to try this and never looked back

I think I threw out the elastic one in fact

And then these are the plates I run. I do have the T-Rex arms plate backer behind them and it makes it so comfy

[stiff dune]

Ah fuck youre right
Lowkey thought they'd be bulkier

They will for sure go on the FCPC

[stiff dune]

Damn even the backer huh; theyre always fkign sold out

[outer leaf]

Yeah I cant take them out because its tight but let me open the plate bag and get a pic

Well I can I just dont want to take them out lol

[stiff dune]

What PC are you running

[outer leaf]

I run the T-Rex arms AC1

Eventually I will probably get a Crye JPC2.0 but for the shit I need to carry this works perfect

[stiff dune]

Big bet; I thought so cause the Cumberbund but I didnt want to assume

[stiff dune]

Im saying; mfs hate for some odd reason but it works well for what i need it to

[outer leaf]

People hate because of lucas and also its a bandwagon thing

IMO one of the cringiest things in the gun community rn is thinking everyones kit needs to look like a tier 1 operator

[stiff dune]

Hard agree; get teh shit that works for you and what you need it to doand itll still look good

Mfs just hate on Lucas but cant agree the product is still good

most of those said people also prolly dont train

[outer leaf]

To be fair tho different people have different needs. I'm just a civ

[stiff dune]

Me too

Who woulda known, a company who states they make gear for civs; are good for civs and not thats T1s

Also cringe that most people dont put actual training in place

[outer leaf]

I shoot so much. I kind of buy once cry once and instead of owning 15 guns I own 4 and buy ammo

[stiff dune]

Yep Im right there w you

different guns, different applications

[outer leaf]

Vp9 "duty gun", M&P 2.0 carry / duty, 14.5inch AR is my fighting rifle, and my 590 sbs is my home defense gun

[stiff dune]

Glock 43x MOS - Carry (esp during summer)
Glock 19 MOS - "duty" and carry (winter months)
Remington Shotgun - Home Defense
Tikka T3X in 300 Win Mag - "home defense"
16in AR that IM building out to be a little more as a fighting rifle

[outer leaf]

Hot take when building your AR don’t fall for the LPVO craze. Dots are almost always better inside 100 meters. Throw a magnifier and you can hit further easily. Most of your civilian AR fights are going to happen within 100 meters so why go for the long range optimized optic

That’s why I run an EOTech EXPS 3-0 with a 3x magnifier

[stiff dune]

Prolly what I am going to do; dot + aimtpoint 3x

Currenly have an LPVO on there as a temp

[valid depot]

Magnifiers are kinda trash

Get the eotech one if anything

[outer leaf]

I'n what regard?

[outer leaf]

I run the Vortex 3x magnifier and love it

[valid depot]

An LPVO is just much better imo I’ve used both for years

Eye relief on most magnifiers are junk too that’s why I liked the g33

[outer leaf]

Most of your time behind a rifle like that as a civ will be at 1x anyway tbfh. The eye relief will always be worse on a magnifier than an LPVO when magnified but at 1x a dot will always smoke a lpvo at eye relief. The question of LPVO or dot+magnifier is really a question of what distance will you be shooting more

[valid depot]

Exactly yea ur right really just depends on most common shooting distances for the person and the build I still like magnifiers I run one on my 12.5

[outer leaf]

I can run my magnifier out to 400 efectively 500 is a stretch but tbfh anything over 200 I prefer to be behind an LPVO

But 90% of my shooting is 200 and in so I run an EOTech with a magnifier

[stiff dune]

Its odd cause Im able to get a instant and constant sight picture on a LPVO on 1-3x so sometimes I want to fall into the LPVO

esp since I enjoy shooting my long gun

[outer leaf]

EBT Demon is a diabolical name lmao

[left lily]

yeah I would say LPVOs are just nicer to have for the reason of IF needed they are there too be used?

[left lily]

Lmfao, I made fun of some kid in the server and never changed my name. He was on cam and he had his EBT card out so I changed my name too it

[outer leaf]

Thats so funny

[stiff dune]

Fire name dude

I have the Str8 Pride thing on my name cause I was also making fun of someone

[left lily]

W Based Scar lover

[outer leaf]

Who?

[stiff dune]

Based Yamaha rider ( I think its a Yamaha? I ride a CBR600)

[stiff dune]

I can see if they still exist

[left lily]

Yes it is, waiting on dealership to sell me this fucking H2

[stiff dune]

AN H2? An absolute demon

[left lily]

Dealership doesnt like me cuz im young with good credit. They see a 820 as a 18-year old and there concern is im gonna miss payments.

So I told them that they are either gonna sell me it or im gonna take them too court

There freighting it over from cali should be here soon

[outer leaf]

Geniune question how the fuck do you have an 820 at 18?

[stiff dune]

I cant find the dude I was trolling; mightve left

dude has like (GAY PRIDE) or (TRANS PRIDE) as their name so I did this back

[left lily]

When I was 17 my parents signed me off for a Credit Card, I asked all my family members to put there bills, or morgage on my card. I would then take the money from them and pay it off. My parents also have good credit so I guess it came from that too

I have never missed a single payment on my card either

[outer leaf]

The morgage was on your card or you owned the morgage?

[left lily]

The money was just coming off my card

I never owned the morgage

[outer leaf]

If true that's wild because age of accounts is one of the biggest factors on credit cards as well as diversity of accounts.

[left lily]

I just wanted the money coming off my credit card and being paid off

High amounts of money being paid off builds credit really quick

[outer leaf]

I mean after a year that might get you into the 7's with no credit history but over 8 is wild. That's not really true because utilization is one of the biggest factors as well and anything over 20 is bad. Theres only one work around for the utilization rates but thats not with every card.

The only reason I know this is my goal was to graduate college debt free with an 800 and I only got to a 780 and debt free but that was with 5 years of credit history, paying completely on time, and healthy debt type diversity

[left lily]

I paid with everything on it nothing was paid for on my debit

I have no debt

[outer leaf]

Yeah so your utilization would have been crazy high and your age of accounts is 1 year and you have no credit diversity the odds of you actually being an 850 Experian are basically 0

[left lily]

850 is the goal by the time im like 21-22

[outer leaf]

Okay so you aren't an 850 that makes more sense. If you ara actually trying to build keep your utilization below 20%. Utilization makes up 30% of your credit score. Lenth effects 15% and mix is 10%

If you have an apartment I would look into the services that report your rent payments to the credit agencies

[left lily]

I have a guy who does all that he does my taxes, manages my money shit like that

[outer leaf]

Payment history is only 35% so if you only rely on completely paying it off you're missing 65% of what makes up your credit score

If your guys advice is to simply run up a bill and pay it off on your credit card to build credit you need a new finacial advisor because he is an idiot

[left lily]

I use my credit card for everything on the basis it gets me miles haha I like traveling

[outer leaf]

There is nothing wrong with using it for everything as long as you pay it off on time in full and keep utilization under 20%. If you use a credit card wisely points are free money

[left lily]

100% I havent missed my payments ever

always pay it off in full

One missed payment and im probably cooked haha

[outer leaf]

Seriously though I'm not saying this to shit talk you. Building credit is an amazing and powerful tool. The way this guy told you to build it is probably one of the worst possible ways

[left lily]

Okay ill bring this up to him this weekend and ask him about it but ill do my own research into it as well

If hes the one giving me shit advice I should look into it myself too

[outer leaf]

This channel is a great resource https://www.youtube.com/@GrahamStephan

[left lily]

I actually just seen him for the first time last night, I really wanted to get into real estate

[outer leaf]

Just word of warning there are a bunch of frauds in the finance world

[outer leaf]

Also to show you I'm not talking out of my ass. This article is directly from one of the credit agencies on what makes up your score. https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-factor-has-the-biggest-impact-on-credit-score/

[hybrid pelican]

Can anyone give me any pointers on how to get better thanks.

[marsh flint]

You git gud smelling gunpowder only

[stiff dune]

Looks good man as far as I can tell; only thing I can nitpick is the index finger being infront of the trigger guard

[marsh flint]

Yea nothing too bad from this angle

[bronze forum]

That shit looks comfy as fuck

[outer leaf]

It is

[old portal]

Good luck. I’m 39 with a 810. I buy nothing I can’t buy outright with cash.

[outer leaf]

Gotta keep the range day beers cold

JK dont actually drink at the range

[empty sorrel]

That's the only thing I've ever done. No car loans or student loans. 790 right now. Four years history.

Not a rolling ballance though. Let it post, pay it off.

[leaden nimbus]

What do you mean?

[outer leaf]

Your mag carriers should be on the bottom and those admin pouches up top

You see where my mag pouches are?This is an example of the best placement

[leaden nimbus]

Okay, would have been nice for the other guy to say that, but hey.

[outer leaf]

You're right. Sadly you are on the internet. Good on you for getting some gear

Do you have real plates in there?

[tiny meadow]

Howdy fellow geardo’s

[ruby tundra]

Have you tried shooting and reloading with it yet? It doesn’t look that comfortable to reload from with them so high up

Also I may be wrong but is it properly adjusted to you? It looks like it may be riding a bit low

[hybrid pelican]

Is that a no no?

I’m newer to shooting my dads trying to get me into it

So I figured if I came here and learned some stuff and showed him he would be proud of me

[outer leaf]

Ehh kinda. Let me grab a link of a good video for you to watch

People hate on Lucas for some things but his fundamentals videos are really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BypuKXOmEkg&t=235s

[hybrid pelican]

Thanks

I can’t hate on anyone I’m new

Just wanna make sure I’m safe is all

[outer leaf]

Everything I saw was fine as far as safety. Tbh as long as you folow the basic gun safety rules you should never have an issue. If you get a rifle or shotgun basically none are drop safe so I would not store one with a round in the chamber. For reference I'm not a pro, mil, and or LE. I do shoot about 5-10K rounds a year and I carry every single day

[leaden nimbus]

Yeah, AR500 Lvl III+, rubber coated.

[outer leaf]

Those are fine for now. Focus on finishing the plate carrier and building a belt. Eventually you will want to swap the steel for ceramic or poly

I will say belt is more important than plate carrier

That’s the current belt setup

Its also cat approved

[hybrid pelican]

I actually wouldn’t mind having a shotgun. Is the Steven’s any good

[stiff dune]

Just develops a bad habit if you decide to WML

[hybrid pelican]

What’s that

You have to talk to me like I’m stupid. I’ve just recently started involving myself with guns

[outer leaf]

Get a Mossberg 590

Not expensive but reliable

[hybrid pelican]

Where’s the best place to get one

[outer leaf]

That’s my 590

[outer leaf]

Honestly any gun shop will have one

[hybrid pelican]

Wow that’s cool

[outer leaf]

Shit if you have an academy sports by you they will have one

[hybrid pelican]

How much does something like that cost you think

[outer leaf]

Thanks, mine is a short barrel shotgun so I had to get a tax stamp

[outer leaf]

Like my build or a plain 590?

[hybrid pelican]

I’ve heard of that just don’t know what it is

For a 590

[outer leaf]

Around $500

[hybrid pelican]

Okay that’s not too bad honestly

Is it semi auto

[outer leaf]

Pump action

The least expensive semi auto shogun I would buy is a Barretta A300 but that’s super expensive

[hybrid pelican]

Is it better than a Steven’s?

[outer leaf]

Yes

[hybrid pelican]

Ok I’ll have to look into that forsure

[outer leaf]

The only two brands of semi auto shoguns I would ever buy are Barretta or Benelli

[hybrid pelican]

I’m assuming it’s a 12 gauge

[outer leaf]

12 gauge tears semi autos apart if you buy a cheap one it will break after a couple hundred rounds or maybe a thousand

Yeah the 590 is 12 gauge

[hybrid pelican]

Okay good to know because I was wanting a semi auto

[outer leaf]

I wouldn’t unless you can afford a Berrata A300

[hybrid pelican]

I was looking at a black ace for sale at gun shop

[outer leaf]

Those are junk

[hybrid pelican]

But didn’t know anything about shotguns at the time

Really?

[outer leaf]

Yes

[hybrid pelican]

The videos I seen weren’t too bad but I guess people experience different things

[outer leaf]

Look at TFBTV’s shotgun torture tests on YouTube

Most YouTube videos you see are from people that are either paid to make them or don’t actually shoot it enough

There’s an even cheaper mossberg pump action he recommends

[outer leaf]

https://youtu.be/TZi3rDHYJEU?si=nhJa3mLVuXohMtHM

This is on the black aces shotgun

[hybrid pelican]

Thanks I’m going to watch this now

[outer leaf]

He does one on most major shotguns

It lived 416 rounds most of which buckshot

Birdshot sorry

Watch this $200 mossberg pump ace this same test https://youtu.be/-9OL7IquoIo?si=W-6NjHH-8EAMIyfl

[stiff dune]

WML is a Weapon Mounted Light

If you place your index finger in front of the trigger guard, then you add a light, it’ll make things awkward is all

[hybrid pelican]

Oh ok

[valid depot]

I’ve got a stevens it’s a pretty great gun I’ve shot like 20 rounds with it and it was flawless for the price

[hybrid pelican]

20 rounds isn’t a lot. I mean those videos they were going a few hundred

[real whale]

my guy, 20 rounds isn't even a single round of trap...

[snow scarab]

it takes about 500-1000 rounds to know if a gun is good to go lol

[outer leaf]

Sweat my ass off today. I was hoping the storm would cool shit down

[stiff dune]

Dope ass photo
Good ass training

C-Clampers for life

[outer leaf]

Thank you, it was hot as balls

[restive stratus]

@worthy heart apparently the century m70ba2 barrel isn’t chrome lined. Is this something I should worry about if I want a gun that can take abuse and get a high round count? I tend to clean my stuff a lot

[worthy heart]

as long as you use non crossive ammo you are fine

which is a majority

the yugos never used chromlined barrel s

[grand mountain]

dont use turkish ammo

[restive stratus]

A lot of my ammo is that garbage yugo corrosive stuff on stripper clips 😭

[restive stratus]

I didn’t even know that was a thing

I do have some Igman which is supposed to be non corrosive

[worthy heart]

You got a sks right?

[restive stratus]

Ya

A non chrome lined yugo and a norinco

[worthy heart]

That's not chrome-lined

None chrome lining is fine with corrosive as long as you wash it out with water

[restive stratus]

I usually just use hoppes 9 bore cleaner and then get a thin coat of clp in the barrel

Seems to work

[low zodiac]

All but the Yugos were chrome lined to varying degrees of quality, and very few sks45s

I’m not sure about the weird variants like North Korean or Vietnamese but I imagine those are also chrome lined (I know Albania did it, and those mfs are broke)

[restive stratus]

Why tf didn’t the Yugoslavians just chrome line

[worthy heart]

Idk

Chrome lining was also a very new thing

[real whale]

the reason that's usually given is that they never had any natural chromium deposits, but it's hard to say how accurate that reasoning is

[restive stratus]

makes sense

[real whale]

yeah but europe in general doesn't have a whole lot of chrome and the east germans still chromelined their SKS barrels as an example

as far as i know, yugos are the only exception to the rule

[restive stratus]

I just checked the rifling on my yugo and it looks great

but no chrome

[real whale]

yep, apparently there's a few "prototype" or something along those line yugos that did have chromelined barrels but we're talking about in the single or double digits of rifles

[deep tide]

How can I buy a real red keycard? No one sells them anymore

[sterile thistle]

Manifest it

[split pollen]

Sam’s club

[lime stag]

No longer exists!

[kind fog]

Ew
Just go to costco

Do yall know some good places to get NIJ IV ceramic plates?

[worldly orbit]

why are there zero reviews of comtac 8s?

like nowhere in the internet, can barely find any info on them

[storm peak]

People are still financially recovering from buying comtac 5s

6s came out what 3 years ago?

[nimble hinge]

which ones were the ones where a company had a massive sale on them but one guy bought every pair

[eternal magnet]

The good old fisher scientific incident

They just canceled the orders. No one got anything

[low mulch]

new toys came in

[kind fog]

Yo

[stiff dune]

Hesco

Highcom

[echo jay]

I was so sad about that

[low mulch]

a few more

[kind fog]

Chat is it worth....

For 2 less lb...

[outer leaf]

No lol

Just get some Hescos

[kind fog]

7lb two pack NIJ IV ceramic for $330
Or
5lb two pack NIJ IV polyethylene ceramic $2700...

How could I ever choose

[outer leaf]

How many more hits is the poly rated for?

[kind fog]

Fuck if I know
I just thought 2 pounds less for over $2k more was hilarious

[uneven cosmos]

Civvies are funny when they play pretend

[kind fog]

It doesnt define what "multiple" is

[outer leaf]

Buddy has EU In his name can’t even own the guns we do talking shit 😂😂

[outer leaf]

Interesting

[kind fog]

Bro
I am trying to hard not to talk shit rn 😭

[outer leaf]

You could save two ponds or build a whole nice AR with the money you save 😂😂

[outer leaf]

About him?

[kind fog]

Yeah

[kind fog]

Bro
I was thinking about getting an sr-25, should I get a cheaper alternative or go all out on the sr-25?

[outer leaf]

I’m not the one to ask on that. I don’t know much about SR25’s

[kind fog]

They're 5k a pop

But
They look so cool...

[outer leaf]

I mean if you want it for the drip go for it

[outer leaf]

Its always funny when EU members try to talk shit about guns and shooting

[old portal]

My platoon ran some of the first M110s in combat in 2009 for testing. They were ok but I wouldn’t shell out a lot personal money for one.

Outside of an urban combat environment I can’t find much need for one.

[kind fog]

Drippy asf

[old portal]

I didn’t say no use for an AR10. I said explicitly a 10k priced rifle.

[kind fog]

Mmm...
It's worth....

Can I get them in 7.62x51

[kind fog]

Is 6.5 better than x51?

[kind fog]

Maybe I'll try it then

[low mulch]

quick question for those who know better, i bought a MICH tactical helmet and the retention cords are on the bottom of the NVG mount, on the sites photo its attached to the top, does this matter or am i overthinking this?

[storm peak]

Wym by attached at the top?

[low mulch]

ill send u a screenshot from their site

[storm peak]

It doesn't matter at all

[low mulch]

ah, alright thanks

[storm peak]

In fact I'd reckon you remove the bungie entirely

[low mulch]

why so?

[storm peak]

Unless you are using a breakaway mount there's not much need to use bungie

[low mulch]

ngl have no idea what that is, but my brother says he can sign to get NVGs

just googled it lmao, i dont remember if we are issued that mount or not

[storm peak]

The wilcox g24 has a "feature" where you can set it where the mount doesn't fully extend the locking bar, making it so the nods will break off the helmet on impact

That feature is a pain in the ass where it has a tendency to break off when you try to lower the nods into vision

[low mulch]

interesting

[storm peak]

If you aren't using a breakaway mount, bungie is not needed

If your nods can pop off easily when it's in the mount, you have an different issue entirely

[low mulch]

thanks for the advice! ill leave that up to my little brother tho if he wants to or not, bought this helmet for him hahaha

[storm peak]

Oh absolutely bro

[kind fog]

What level were they

3a or just 3?

Ah.

Well
These are on sale

For the low low price of, get this
$2700

[low mulch]

around 360 USD

[real whale]

just live off the grid?

i have no idea who you are. out of curiosity, when was the last time you've gone for a week without internet?

it's not about if you think you need it, it's about if you'll be able to live without it. pretty much anybody that's been living in a city for their entire life will not be able to simply "drop off the grid"

the "bug out" scenario is entirely a pipe dream

well, on the bright side, at least now you get to think this through and realize how ridiculous that is.

not being tracked doesn't mean not using technology, it means literally not being anywhere near it

got a car built in the last 15 years? gps. go into any city? security cameras. use just about any government service? photo IDs

you're not goona just "get out of the system" as much as you'd like to fantasize about it

yeah, get. do you have one already?

if you wanna be off the grid so much, why the hell are you still on discord?

that's alright, hopefully in a few more years, you'll learn more about yourself and your delusions will wear off.

[grand mountain]

wow that was a braindead conversation

[kind fog]

I don't get why people want to live off grid

Like it doesn't make sense to me

[kind fog]

Damn bro...
My shovel gonna remove my off grid status...

[tiny meadow]

“Chevy” and “run great” shouldn’t be in the same sentence

[real whale]

there's a pretty significant difference between wanting the benefits of being closer to nature and the delulu levels of "playing minecraft irl". some people just don't realize or choose to ignore now dependent they are on society and the tech they use every day.

[kind fog]

Bro
We're humans
Of course we're dependent on society and technology
That's why we're top of the food chain
It's why we're so successful, so advanced.

[real whale]

the average person can't just fuck off into the woods and survive more than a few weeks, let alone make it through winter or any emergency

[tiny meadow]

Bro won’t be able to live without his gray man edits

[kind fog]

Because we don't need to anymore

We dont need to care about basic survival against weather conditions because we have the technology
We can be worried about lengthening life now

[real whale]

yes exactly. but some people still can't understand that we don't need to because they live in a populated area

[kind fog]

One of the most basic fears, rejection, is a fear because rejection from society leads to death

For as long as humanity has existed, we've been communal and inventive because it's just better than raw strength.

[real whale]

regardless of what branded box they drive, it will only last them for one tank of gas before they're back in town to top up.

[prisma fjord]

crazy yap sesh

[tiny meadow]

I peed myself rn

[kind fog]

I guess if they're a chemist they can find a way to make diesel

[real whale]

some people are still stuck in 2010, fantasizing about about the zombie apocalypse and bugging out

[kind fog]

I kinda want a little bunker lab in the woods

It'd be nice to have a little calm getaway to do some little experiments.

[tiny meadow]

I just wanna be like the sas dudes in Furiousa

[real whale]

i doubt you're goona build a farm and make the equipment necessary to make biodiesel over night

[restive stratus]

https://atlanticfirearms.com/yugo-serbian-bho-mags-5-with-surplus-pouch

[kind fog]

They could take it with them

[restive stratus]

anyone know of this bag ever being used? Can't find any pictures of it.

[real whale]

you're goona take a bloody soy bean farm with you?

[restive stratus]

assuming it may have seen service in the yugoslavian wars

[kind fog]

There's probably other ways of synthesizing biodiesel.

I dunno
I haven't taken college chem yet.

[real whale]

i don't care how you synthesis your biodiesel, you need the precursors to make biodiesel with

[kind fog]

I plan on majoring in in chem eng tho

[real whale]

it's literally conservation of energy. you're storing energy, in this case in the form of a flammable liquid, so you need to get that energy from somewhere in the first place

[kind fog]

Well yeah
But there's other kinds of life in the woods.

[real whale]

if you're trying to produce high grade heat in the woods, your easiest bet is wood gas

[kind fog]

I'm pretty sure animal fat could be used to make some sort of diesel.

Don't quote me on that tho.

[real whale]

all of which is completely irrelevant because you're not setting up any of this overnight

[kind fog]

You can set it up over time.

[real whale]

you're playing too much rust if you think you're goona sustain a vehicle using animal fat as fuel

[kind fog]

Either way
I wanna make that bunker lab cause it'd be super neat.

[kind fog]

I don't play rust

I'm just saying it might be possible.

[real whale]

the most efficient mammals still need hundreds of times the amount of calories to produce the fat you harvest. it's the same reason why meat has huge carbon footprint compared to anything plant based.

[kind fog]

Opinions on lab grown (or printed in the future) meat?

[real whale]

again, conservation of energy. the more you convert between different forms of energy, the more of it you lose in the process to waste, low grade energy that you can't benefit from

[kind fog]

I'm not saying it's super efficient and a super awesome alternative to diesel

I'm just saying
It might be possible.

[real whale]

it really isn't because you're just adding that extra setup which makes your processes hundreds of times less efficient than just extracting energy from the plants directly. possible doesn't mean practical and we could spend all day talking about what isn't practical which was the issue with "bugging out" in the first place

[kind fog]

Dude
I get it

Don't pull the erm ackshually wall of text on me.

[real whale]

would you prefer if everyone just called your ideas shit and never explained why instead?

[kind fog]

No
But you explained why it wouldn't be efficient like 4 times

And I said I know I just said maybe

[real whale]

and you kept insisting it's a "super awesome alternative to diesel" which it isn't

[kind fog]

I literally said the exact opposite.

What are you on bro

Bro whatever you think I was sayin in all in your head

[real whale]

the "no offense, but insert something offensive" way of phrasing what you know doesn't stand...

[kind fog]

I said
"I'm not saying that it's good, I'm saying it might be possible"

Like dude
Give me a break

[real whale]

you're literally arguing against yourself. bugging out doesn't work, end of story. there is no "possibility" of magically setting up renewable sources of energy overnight using nothing but what you can find. if it was that simple, everybody would be doing it already

[kind fog]

Like it was very obvious that I meant with long an arduous hard work, maybe you could make the vehicle run a little bit.

[kind fog]

Bro
you're arguing against yourself

I never said "with nothing but what you can find"

I said "if he was a chemist" and "if he brought the equipment"

[real whale]

so you're bugged out, and you still have all of the comforts and conveniences of society... great...

[restive stratus]

what the flip

[real whale]

i don't know either

[kind fog]

Bro
Distillery equipment is NOT all the comforts and conveniences of society

It's just glass and a couple chemicals bro

But anyway

[real whale]

does your distillation system grow on trees? nowadays making a fucking pencil involves half the globe

[kind fog]

Bro
I said
He could bring it with him
If "all the comforts and conveniences of society" is just a couple pieces of glass and some chemicals, I think you need to move out of the meth lab.

[real whale]

this is just another example of people not understanding globalization and economies of scale

[restive stratus]

fuck globalization, that is all

[kind fog]

To be off grid
You don't need to live on the environment around you bro

Well
Not entirely at least.

[real whale]

yep, you can say anything you like but it doesn't change the reality that you're completely dependent on it.

[restive stratus]

you ain't off the grid if amazon delivers potato chips to your front door

[real whale]

so you're not off the grid....

[kind fog]

A global society is an advanced society.

[restive stratus]

I agree, doesn't mean I have to like it

[kind fog]

Bro
Equipment you bring with you
I s f i n e

Do you think people off grid live like fuckin cavemen?

They can't have a knife they didn't make themselves because that's not "off grid enough"?

[real whale]

not city dwellers, cause they'd be dead

[restive stratus]

more like reliant on other peoples bullshit

[kind fog]

If you think you ain't reliant on anything in society, you got it wrong buddy.

[restive stratus]

but who wants to talk military surplus 😂

[real whale]

you're doing pretty fucking well if you can actually survive off the grid by yourself as well as the cave people did. cause those fuckers still lived in groups

[real whale]

can't have your milsurp without globalization buddy

[kind fog]

If you think you're gonna survive alone in the wild with no equipment your whole life
You got it wrong

[restive stratus]

who said no equipment

[real whale]

and thinking you can just bring enough "stuff" with you to last you your whole life is also fucking delusional

[kind fog]

You can bring enough supplies to make the systems required to survive bro

Maybe you won't have electronics

[real whale]

then go and fucking do it. prove me wrong

[kind fog]

Why the hell would I do something as fucking stupid as that?

[restive stratus]

someone give me a tldr of the previous argument, this is entertaining

[real whale]

it's stupid because you know you won't survive

[real whale]

delusion child wants to go innawoods with gun. i said no

[kind fog]

You talkin about me?

[real whale]

which is basically the same thing here actually

[kind fog]

Since when did I mention a gun?

I said the supplies required to make the systems to survive.
Not bring a firearm and you're fine.

[real whale]

here, it's delusional child wants animal fat powered car like he's playing rust, and i said no again

[restive stratus]

I can show you videos of guys that go into the woods with a backpack full of stuff and survive for months but it isn't pretty and takes a lot of skill. I think it is possibly in some places but very very hard

[restive stratus]

lol

[kind fog]

Ayo
Just wanna tell you
This dude kinda delusional.

He puts words in your mouth like there's no tomorrow and just runs with it

[real whale]

there's a difference between "someone" can vs everyone can

[kind fog]

He sounds like a redditor if I'm being honest

[kind fog]

Now imagine a chemist went into the woods with the skill and equipment required to survive
How long you think he'd last?

[real whale]

i'm sorry for not failing high school physics in the land of the brain dead

[kind fog]

Bro
You put so many words in my mouth it's unreal

What you think I'm sayin is just your own delusion bro

[restive stratus]

kind of a loaded question, what equipment, what knowledge, what environment. I don't see how chemist knowledge has anything to do with survival in most cases. Someone by themselves in the woods will be battling constantly with hunger, dehydration, and the elements. It would be pretty hard to get comfortable enough to have the time and resources to start developing new life changing tech and shortcuts to survival. That's my take on it. Don't think it's worth argueing about. Anything can happen at the end of the day and we are all here today because of some crazy shit lol

[kind fog]

A chemist would know the components of their environment.

How to change their environment, how to make the most of the materials around them.

While someone who just knows how to forage can live off plants and small animals for a while, a chemist could make more advanced equipment using the raw materials in the environment around him.

[real whale]

that's not called a chemist. that's call a wizard

[kind fog]

And with the skill and equipment to survive, they can live long enough to make it reality.

[kind fog]

You're not a debate team member, you're a redditor.

[restive stratus]

have you ever been camping

[real whale]

this is literally just fucking video game mechanics...

[kind fog]

Yeah
It's pretty fun.

[real whale]

camping in the 21 century is bbq + sleepover.

[restive stratus]

idk what to say tbh

[kind fog]

Bro
I know this dude, hezekiah
He's made metal knives using the resources around him.

[restive stratus]

try to start a fire with a flint or magnesium rod and some wet wood

[kind fog]

Why wet wood

[restive stratus]

because thats how nature is

[real whale]

do you know how long it takes for firewood to dry?

[restive stratus]

unpredictable

you have to have more than just chemistry knowledge to even begin to survive in the woods

[real whale]

good fire wood TAKES A FUCKING YEAR AT LEAST

[kind fog]

I can normally find dry wood.
But if I don't it's possible to sundry.

[real whale]

holy...

[restive stratus]

do you have any clue how long that takes

[kind fog]

Have you ever been camping?

[real whale]

dude's actually never built a fire. probably for the best

[kind fog]

Did you bring wood with you?

[restive stratus]

I bought wood the beginning of the summer that got rained on maybe once and it still doesn't want to light after being sun dried and covered with a tarp before rain touches it

this can usually be remedied by splitting the wood and exposing the dry bits in the middle, assiuming it didn't get soaked through. Still hard to light and a coin toss half the time

[kind fog]

Well wood I find in sequoia national that's filled with termite holes and has been sitting in the summer sun for a while works just fine.

[kind fog]

Did you not cut it to dry it?

[restive stratus]

i guess California is a dry place so that is possible

[restive stratus]

some of the pieces were to small for a cut to be beneficial for drying

[kind fog]

Well yeah I don't live in the south where it's 90% humidity all the time

There's logs n shit everywhere in sequoia national forest to cut up and take back to camp for firewood.

Especially In summer

We normally just burn wet wood until it dries.

[restive stratus]

maybe its easier to start a fire in that environment but it also isn't as necessary as other places. There are trade offs to everything

[kind fog]

I'm pretty sure sequoia national gets snowy, but if you prep all summer you'll be good for the winter.

[restive stratus]

but my main point is, shit happens in the woods that is beyond anyone control and it takes experience to know how to handle it

I guess if your chemist with wilderness experience, you have an advantage

[kind fog]

That was one of the conditions I provided tho...

I said a chemist with the skill and equipment to survive

Like imagine one of those people who could survive a few months and make them a chemist or chemical engineer.

Now imagine how long they could survive

[real whale]

yeah, you picked a forest that regularly burns itself

but even in california, it rains.

[kind fog]

Yeah, sequoia national is supposed to burn...

Sequoia seeds don't sprout if there's no fire

[real whale]

you can have a single person live out the rest of their natural life by themselves with enough luck and knoweldge, happy?

[kind fog]

Um
I was never unhappy

So yeah, sure

I'm not looking for you to relent, bro

I'm just looking to have a civil discussion with someone.

[real whale]

realistically, the dude either dies from dehydration, infection, or preexisting medical condition that they don't have an infinite supply of medication for. but of course, our chemist wizard would never let that happen, right?

[kind fog]

Putting words in my mouth is just unnecessarily rude and disrespectful.

Like
You didn't listen to what I was saying and consider it
You were just fighting to be right.

That ain't no way to live.

Now if you don't mind, I'm off.

My cousin is building a swamp cooler and I want to check it out.

[real whale]

might also be an m70 pouch though

[restive stratus]

damn, you found it

[real whale]

https://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=10989.30

[restive stratus]

looks like it

[real whale]

source is serbian though but google translate exists

[restive stratus]

Why did they have those pouches instead of chest rigs or belts? I'm assuming they may be from the early days of the war, or maybe predate the war

I saw some war footage where I thought some of the soldiers had pouches and that was it

[real whale]

not sure if you're familar with earlier american load bearing rigs but those things were pretty complicated for what they are

i think it's fair to think of the mag pouches like that as a more reusable equivalent to the disposable bandoleers