irl-gear

[old portal]

Dang ya it was wild ass times I guess while I was in. If you promoted quick in infantry and had solid NCOERs in combat time it was real

Ya when I was in it was 2 years TIG from E5 to E6 then 2 more years TIG for E7 look

Hell I didn’t even go to E6 board. We were in Iraq. I was rifle squad leader as E5 and missed 2 boards out in ops. 1SG told me to get him an ERB with last NCOER printed out at S1 and give to him. He took it to the next board and I was promoted. Called it a packet board. Didn’t even know it was a thing

Saw him cpl days after when we got back from ops and he told me congrats I passed the board but I should have studied more….

Wtf

[plush topaz]

I'm dead sexy

[snow scarab]

false

beards not being allowed is antique as fuck

also what’s the problem with this? there really isn’t any except it’s just more comfortable

you definitely seem like the type to get mad at the sihk marine for getting to keep his beard and turban

[storm peak]

Beards look like shit in our uniform

[storm peak]

If they got the etp, good on them, I'm not stopping them

[old portal]

A saying i always heard while in was soldiers hate the way things are but they also hate change

[storm peak]

Still doesn't change my opinion on the matter

[snow scarab]

yeah pretty much

but the beard thing has gone too far. like that MSG that got denied taking over a company because he had a beard

that is bullshit

[old portal]

its much easier to bitch about the stuff you dont like than to go to through the process of adjusting to change imo

[storm peak]

The day beards get allowed in normal uniform on mass, is the day where I got to tell soldiers to shave their crappy breads

[snow scarab]

that makes no sense

[storm peak]

You know very well that 90% of dudes can't grow a decent beard even if they wanted too

[snow scarab]

the regulation should be no more than half an inch of mass unless you have a religious reason

for everyone

[old portal]

never had to to deal with it but what i didnt like was the guys that would go get a shaving profile then suddenly on friday after COB they could magically shave it into a nice goatee....like come on

[storm peak]

Unless you got a medical or an actual religious reason, they should not be allowed outside of operational requirements

[snow scarab]

but why?

“because i don’t like how they look”?

[storm peak]

It's exactly the reason, they look like shit

[low zodiac]

What if I’m a Jedi

[storm peak]

Coming from a guy who can have a 1.5 in beard in 3 weeks, they're ugly

[snow scarab]

maybe you’re just ugly?

[low zodiac]

I tried growing a beard once, it went well but it’s so nasty to live with

[snow scarab]

could very well be a reason

[storm peak]

You talk alot of shit for a dude who hasn't touched a women before

[snow scarab]

or you’ve got a shit beard yourself

[snow scarab]

ha, swing and a miss buddy

[storm peak]

Do I got to post a selfie to prove it

I'm a hairy ass mfer

I got more chest hair than you have a beard

[snow scarab]

everybody but one mf in my company that has a beard exemption looks good

[old portal]

At 39 i can grow a great beard finally...mustache was on point for a while but my wife said it had to go.....

[snow scarab]

hell we’ve got one dude who looks full viking

[storm peak]

Yeah I'd trim that one up too lmao

[snow scarab]

probably. i’m on active orders so i do have to shave everyday lol

also chest hair isn’t really a flex as it’s just genetics 😂

[old portal]

went back to a beard at her request...im secretly planning to cut this back into action when its ready

[snow scarab]

my dad is a fuckin ape but at 20 i’ve got no hair on my chest

[storm peak]

It was to prove a point yet it went over your head as usual

[storm peak]

Ngl I'm really wanting to grow my stash back out

I got real tired of hairs in my mouth tho

[snow scarab]

the only point that seems to prove was that you wanted to send another man a picture of your chest hair

kinda weird bro

[storm peak]

Hold on to that thought, you were asking for shirtless gym pics from me come last year

@raw river

[snow scarab]

fuckin what? i remember you sending an update picture near the end of you leaving and saying good shit dude

[old portal]

Ya that was a real pain but I just go used to it

[snow scarab]

my mustache is out of regs as fuck

but so is everyone up to my 1SG so nobody gives a fuck

[old portal]

Even mustaches were a no go in all my units

Even if regs permitted it. CSM would eff you up for even thinking about a mustache

[wise nest]

have you ever worked with dutch/scandinavian guys?, they rock the beards and long hair amazingly

well kept beards look good, thats what militaries that allow beards require. You are probably just used to seeing shit beards on people with exemptions for them

[wise nest]

christ, im glad i dont have horrific leadership like that

[old portal]

Honestly I think times have just changed. I grew up under some amazing NCOs. My first 1SG as a private jumped into Grenada with Ranger battalion in 83. My next 2 1SGs both jumped into Panama in 89 with 2/75. Those guys were legendary to me. Getting pinned ARCOM/V by one of them in Iraq was humbling to say the least

[wise nest]

i just hate nothing more than people having the "thats what we did in my day so you must do it" mentality

[old portal]

Now the leadership issues were with dumb shit like that. I was recommended for BSM/V but it was downgraded because I was only an E6…they had a stupid policy to save the BSMs for E7 and up…that’s the leadership failure. I submitted one of my SAW gunners for 3 BSM that deployment. He ended the trip with 3 ARCOM/V…silly games

[echo jay]

As opposed to him being a waterborne ranger medic?

He's been in this server longer than your discord acct has existed

And as far back as I can remember he has been a medic that belongs to the rangers

It's not like @pseudo fossil changing his name and pfp every week and coming back claiming some new bullshit

I'm sorry who the fuck are you?

So now you're server hopping to harrass some random dude on the internet?

So then take it to dms or some shit instead of starting drama in here with a guy the regulars have known for years

So fuck off then

Joining the server today just to start shit

It's the same pfp he's always had why would he change it

Lmao @orchid kestrel where'd yall go?

[magic thistle]

You for sure gave izu a syrupy pawjob

[echo jay]

Oh what we got more imps coming in to entertain me

LMAO

The guy who said pawjob

Ok furry

[magic thistle]

He doesn’t know..

[echo jay]

Speak english and not twitter and maybe I would

[pseudo fossil]

I’m Donald Burke son

[wet geyser]

fuck does that even mean

[snow scarab]

@echo jay tf did i miss?

[echo jay]

Idk people that joined the server today saying some shit about izu

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Apparently they followed him from another server

[pseudo fossil]

What’s the little metal buttons on the helmet cover for?

[plush topaz]

The agilite visor cover

@coarse laurel i didn't know you had groupies

[pseudo fossil]

Thanks sir I had no clue haha

[plush topaz]

👍

[coarse laurel]

Dude I know, it’s creepy

[plush topaz]

You probably pushed one of your soldiers too far now they're mad at you

[coarse laurel]

Funny you say that I’m actually a nice NCO

[plush topaz]

Anger leads the way

Hooah

[coarse laurel]

Backstory for that picture, it’s one of the ranger tab flags we have lying around in the office and some of the jr enlisted taped over the R because it’s what everyone feels about this place

[plush topaz]

I love that

[coarse laurel]

Personally I can’t wait to leave this unit and move on to recruiting. I actually got hurt recently from a jump and my hip is fucked right now

[storm peak]

You got hit with recruiting orders?

[coarse laurel]

volunteered, waiting for ARC

[storm peak]

You fool

Look into ar and ur 601-1 to see your fate

[coarse laurel]

it wont be for a while, ARC is so backed up haha'

[storm peak]

Surge has passed already, you will only have shit assignments

Should of hopped on that bandwagon back in Nov

[coarse laurel]

i talked to the csm of the salt lake BN, they said they are opening new stations in my home city and they can probably find a slot for me

[storm peak]

Stay in contact with him, especially during the first week of arc

[coarse laurel]

yup

[storm peak]

They can pull strings

But fr, look into 601-1

[coarse laurel]

i got lucky that one of my buddies from my previous unit is a recruiter out of vegas and he got me a line to the csm

i can probably do AMEDD recruiting

yeah i read it

[storm peak]

Gl bro

Thats near impossible to get

[coarse laurel]

part of the reason im going recruiting is so i can live near my folks, they are at that age now

[old portal]

Is that still a dreaded set of orders you don’t want?

[storm peak]

It will never be a good set of orders

Esp in today's age where there's no war

[old portal]

That possibility was one of the weighing factors for me ETSing. I had already did multiple deployments with my unit as an NCO and I felt like it was going to be PCS orders coming down the pipe. Majority of my peers E6 and E6p/7 got orders for either drill or recruiting like I expected

Dreaded the thought of either

Cpl of my buddies that got drill orders to Benning made the best of it. Apparently they could walk onto the certain schools between cycles pretty easily. My friends that got recruiting were never the same

[coarse laurel]

lol these days drills cant walk on to shit, they get turned away from airborne all the time

walkons that are prioritized are IBOLC, Ranger grads and ARTB Cadre

since its internal to USAIS

[old portal]

that sucks...close friend of mine, was one of my TLs in the recce platoon walked onto airborne and pathfinder while on drill orders at benning

this was like 2011ish

[coarse laurel]

yeah its a matter of class sizes and slots filling up quick

i felt kinda spoiled since im in ARTB all i had to do is walk on with my ranger physical, a 1610 and my benning/moore school worksheet

my unit also has MFF slots

[old portal]

Very nice. One of my SAW gunners ended up at RTB in Florida. Got tabbed then after pinning 7 went to WO. Hes now flying Apaches and retires in about 18 months. Crazy how much time has passed

[coarse laurel]

RTB is great but it will burn you out

6th RTB in FL is great because thats all they do, im in 4th so im doing 3 POI's

[old portal]

Ya I’m not really sure what he was doing there. I remember him saying something about boats. What that entailed I have no idea

[coarse laurel]

4th and 6th have boat crews

rather dive team

[old portal]

Is 4th the initial benning phase?

[coarse laurel]

yup

4th is in charge of darby phase and RSLC/ARC/LRS school

[old portal]

Getting time for schools when I was in was near impossible. I completed PRC for a ranger slot. Deployment bumped left. Never got to go

[coarse laurel]

damn missed opportunity

[old portal]

My recce platoon was on orders to RSLC. Then they suddenly stood up that LRS unit at Lewis in 08 and they pulled our orders and gave those slots to the LRS unit. That unit did nothing for a few years then disbanded.

[storm peak]

I've always wanted to go to rslc

Could never either find slots or unit funding

[old portal]

god it was so bad back then...did the pre selection testing, had a SFAS date and ended up not doing it because of deployment bumped left...that was a course slot that couldnt be pulled but it was one of those things as an NCO they basically made you an outcast if you didnt voluntarily withdraw your course slot for deployment

[coarse laurel]

im the ncoic for medical for RSLC right now, let me know if u go i'll pre approve your physical lol

[old portal]

knew guys that had reup for airborne contracts...school dates pulled for deployment orders...GWOT orders ruled the earth then...more power than congress

[coarse laurel]

people be coming to RSLC with a laundry list of medical issues that need approval lol

[storm peak]

Medical isn't an issue for me, I've done passed arc and have moved on to different things so I won't be able to attend if I wanted too 😦

[coarse laurel]

damn

[rigid sequoia]

Tactical spoon for scale

[sterile jackal]

This is sick

[rigid sequoia]

I knew a True Believer would understand

[snow scarab]

how do you pay that much for a scar and VCOG yet you own an ar500 plate carrier?

jesus christ

[rigid sequoia]

Because it’s a veritas lite and it’s my preferred carrier, not about the price tag, it’s about the operation.

[snow scarab]

it’s just an overpriced piece of shit 😂

[rigid sequoia]

What is?

[snow scarab]

the plate carrier

it’s not made to any kind of decent standard

please tell me you don’t have steel plates too

[rigid sequoia]

It’s made of aramid dude

[snow scarab]

no it isn’t 😂

[rigid sequoia]

Yeah I run steel inside softs

[snow scarab]

ah ok. so you’re just dumb

got it

the plate carrier is not made of aramid, nobody makes plate carriers out of body armor

[rigid sequoia]

Cordura, same shit

[snow scarab]

and steel shouldn’t be used for body armor

[snow scarab]

uhm no, not even close. one is body armor, the other is a basic fabric

[rigid sequoia]

You know the marine corps have been using steel since body armor was invented right?

In specific environments ceramic

So has literally everyone else

[snow scarab]

BAHAHAHAHA

NO THEY HAVENT

OH MY GOD THATS HILARIOUS

[rigid sequoia]

Let me ask you this, if you can’t run a mile in the steel, should you even be allowed to wear ceramics or poly?

[snow scarab]

the u.s. military has exclusively used ceramic body armor since the 90s

[rigid sequoia]

This is just wrong

[snow scarab]

uh yes. because steel isn’t body armor

[snow scarab]

it is not

would you like me to pull my plates out right now?

[rigid sequoia]

I personally know dudes who still have rounds in their steel plates they were issued

[snow scarab]

all forms of SAPI plates have been ceramic

they weren’t issued steel

[rigid sequoia]

Who served in the GWAT

[snow scarab]

the ESAPI plate is the standard issue plate of the entire U.S. military since 2007.

[rigid sequoia]

lol

[snow scarab]

and the SAPI was before that

and that was still ceramic

@empty sorrel please educate this fuckin idiot

[rigid sequoia]

How old are you again?

[snow scarab]

what does that have to do with anything?

i’m currently serving lol

[rigid sequoia]

Just getting an age range

You seen combat?

[snow scarab]

and all i’ve ever seen is ceramic plates

[snow scarab]

that has literally nothing to do with anything

[rigid sequoia]

You got a Purple Heart?

[snow scarab]

do you?

[rigid sequoia]

Point being, I have multiple friends who did serve and did run steels that do.

[snow scarab]

they did not run steels

[rigid sequoia]

You should tread very lightly on subjects you only read about

[snow scarab]

read about? how about first hand experience from guys all the way from the invasion of iraq up until the pull out of afghanistan? lol

is that enough experience?

[rigid sequoia]

Bud the guys who make my 3+ are marines and are a marine owned company that stand by steels and run them to this day

[snow scarab]

sure thing bud

whatever you say

they are either lying or just idiots

[rigid sequoia]

For being in the service you have a loud mouth

Should watch that

The wrong guy will humble you and take the consequences

Don’t learn the hard way

[snow scarab]

ceramic plate too

interesting

one i’ve been issued btw

i’m not talking out of my ass. you are.

[rigid sequoia]

And do try to treat people you don’t yet know with respect

[snow scarab]

if someone is stupid enough to stand by steel body armor, then i’ll judge them how i wish

btw, steel body armor doesn’t have bullets in them, not how they work

they don’t catch rounds

they break them

[rigid sequoia]

Ever personally tested steels?

Ever put them inside soft and tested them?

Ever been friends with men who have gone to war and done it?

I’ll take advice from the guy who’s actually been shot.

Not the nerd on the internet

[snow scarab]

i am friends with close to a dozen men who have gone to war. one cleared buildings in fallujah. ceramic body armor

how about rangers and special forces? including one guy that helped take afghanistan? all ceramic body armor

current issue for regular grunts? ceramic.

[plush topaz]

Are we friends 👉👈

[snow scarab]

current issue for SOCOM? ceramic.

yes i count you in that

[rigid sequoia]

Steel is more durable and when inside soft armor all of its downsides aside from weight are mitigated entirely

[snow scarab]

no they are not

edge hits will still fragment into your throat

[plush topaz]

We only use ceramic. Some of that polyurethane stuff too but that was donated

[rigid sequoia]

It’s also better at stoping higher caliber or better penetrating rounds when in the hard-soft format

[snow scarab]

completely false actually

lvl 3 ceramics will stop M193 out of a 20 inch barrel. lvl 3 steels will not

[rigid sequoia]

😂

[plush topaz]

Wait us marines use steel armour?

[rigid sequoia]

Then why are modern body armors fitted with soft behind the plate slots?

[snow scarab]

no they don’t lol

[rigid sequoia]

Not anymore, but in GWAT there were a number in service and use

[snow scarab]

because ESAPIs are body armor designed to be run ICW plates

[snow scarab]

no they didn’t run them at all in the entirety of GWOT

if you are going to use the acronym, at least get it right

[rigid sequoia]

Literally have buddies with steels with rounds… in the plates anti spawl

[snow scarab]

so SAPIs and ESAPIs are designed to run with soft armor behind them. not around them. they are ceramic strike-faces

[snow scarab]

no you don’t

i can guarantee it

[rigid sequoia]

💀

[snow scarab]

get them to send pictures

[rigid sequoia]

Alright dude

[snow scarab]

show me a picture that it’s steel

then i’ll believe you

[rigid sequoia]

Watch how loud you run that mouth of yours outside the internet

[snow scarab]

ooooo

scary

i’ll take my chances

if someone is wrong i’ll tell them they are wrong

[rigid sequoia]

The wrong person will humble you and it’s gonna sting your ego pretty hard

[snow scarab]

once again, i have an NCO who was a marine and invaded fucking iraq and cleared buildings in fallujah in woodland vests with ceramic plates in them

[rigid sequoia]

What branch are you?

[snow scarab]

you ever watched generation kill? yeah he was apart of the guys in front of those guys

[snow scarab]

army

also have always issued ceramic body armor

[rigid sequoia]

Yeah checks out. Army makes pussies now. Anyways, watch the loud mouth, seriously you will get decked if you keep that shit up outside of discord

[snow scarab]

@storm peak @raw river y’all ever been issued anything other than ceramic armor?

[snow scarab]

lmfao ok bud

you just can’t be proven wrong

i got it

once again, show me actual proof (like i’ve showed you) and then maybe i’ll shut my mouth

OH HERE WE GO

yo flag, you ever been issued anything other than ceramic body armor?

[rigid sequoia]

Did the DoD ever purchase Toyota hiluxes?

[snow scarab]

yes

[rigid sequoia]

How many and what year

[old portal]

We had ceramic SAPI plates in atleast 02. By 2007 it was mandatory to have ESAPI plates to enter Iraq. You didn’t have ESAPI, you didn’t leave Kuwait

[snow scarab]

idfk. but they all over the middle east in use by both regular army, airforce security forces, and SOCIM

[rigid sequoia]

How many of those were outfitted with taliban equipment from the DoD?

[snow scarab]

but but but his old marine buddy said he got issued steel 😂

as if the army and marines haven’t shared body armor plates forever

[plush topaz]

True

[rigid sequoia]

How many images are out there with obviously not US standard equipment being used by US forces

[snow scarab]

i’ve got 8 issued plates. every single one is ceramic

[rigid sequoia]

You’re 20

[snow scarab]

hundreds. probably thousands

[rigid sequoia]

And in an army that didn’t exist then

[old portal]

That’s something I never heard. I have friends that did the Thunder Run from Kuwait to Baghdad with USMC. They had almost zero NOD capabilities but they definitely didn’t have steel plates

[snow scarab]

guys have been using non standard equipment for ages. hell, i have one pouch on my IOTV that’s issued to me. the rest are personal

[rigid sequoia]

Cool, so I’ve got buddies with steels that ran steels that still run steels. And I’ll be doing the same.

Watch the mouth. It’s gonna get you in trouble, especially the way you use it.

And don’t keep your ego too close to your rank.

[snow scarab]

you keep saying “watch the mouth”

try me lol

[snow scarab]

then you’ll die when the first round of .308 hits you and breaks your ribs while i can take 4 rounds and just have bruising 🫡

[old portal]

Why in gods name would anyone voluntarily run steel plates in place of ESAPI? That logic makes no sense for anyone that’s ever had to hump 80+# of kit thru gunfights in 110* heat.

[rigid sequoia]

I’ll have to bring that up next he’s in town.

Or I’m in his

I’ll let you know what they tell me.

As for why I do, I like the quality of the steels I run and the soft they’re inside

Especially from a ballistics perspective

I don’t mind the weight because it’s not my job to be in it all day every day and doing patrols

[old portal]

That’s what makes it unbelievable. I have nearly 36 months worth of combat time in Iraq during the hot years of GWOT. You do whatever you can to cut weight, not add it.

[rigid sequoia]

I can run a 5k in them without being completely nuked after

So for me I don’t have that weight downside

Simply because I’m not in it 16/24 hours of the day

[old portal]

Now add NODs, 10 30rd mags of 5.56, 1-2 M67 frags, 2-3 smokes, flashbang, breach gun/shells, MBITR, spare batts, rifle and assault pack with spare munitions and mission essential equipment. Plates are the lighter part of a kit. You don’t voluntarily change that

[rigid sequoia]

When it comes to the actual plates I run they’re rated for 3+, what that + is I haven’t personally tested but I imagine it’s identical to other brands that claim 3+. The reason I run a hard soft is because when a round penetrates a hard surface (especially with hard cored munitions) they’ll stop on a soft plate behind the hard.

[rigid sequoia]

Yeah if I ever get to a point where I have the skills necessary to make investments in shit outside of what I’ve got currently that’s something to consider

But where I’m at now, my kit meets my level of capability and needs

[old portal]

My kit as a rifle squad leader was 81#. That’s before adding an assault pack that was typically minimum 25 additional pounds, often more. My SAW gunner kits were 109#.

[rigid sequoia]

I’m in the process of getting a few more 20s for the Scar but otherwise that’s where I’m settled for now

[old portal]

And if something is going to pen armor it’s going pen regardless what’s behind or in front. We lost an entire team to a suicide vest 9/18/07. The only survivor was the TL that took shrapnel thru front ESAPI/soft insert, thru his body, off his spine and out thru back ESAPI/soft insert.

[rigid sequoia]

I won’t comment on the ballistics of non contained explosives because I don’t know fuck all about them

But when it comes to certain munitions, my setup has its advantages over ceramics and fabrics, mainly the durability and higher capability to prevent penetration of hard cored munitions

If I do find a range that will let me, I’ll get as close to an identical simulation to my setup as I can and the same for some ceramics and do some stress testing

The real problem is how do you not get put on a list for buying hard cored ammunition 💀

[old portal]

I’m not sure where you get that information from. I have multiple 3/8” thick AR500 steel targets on just property that my M1 will send M2 AP straight through with no issue. ESAPI plates will stop that round cold. That AR500 plate weighs at least 5 times the same size ESAPI

[rigid sequoia]

I’ll pick up ESAPI and simulate my setup and see which does what better if I can find a range that will let me

[plush topaz]

My level 4 plates weigh 15lbs lmao

Ceramic

[rigid sequoia]

M2 AP, think that will put out too much pressure for the Scar? Not an ammunition I’m intimately familiar with

[old portal]

I’m not going to debate this any longer but steel plates have ZERO advantage over modern ESAPI/ceramics. This is based on personal experience with numerous field testing

[old portal]

It’s .30-06

[rigid sequoia]

M1, read m14

[plush topaz]

Is there an average weight for lvl 4 plates? A pair

[old portal]

No clue but whatever it is it’s nowhere near the weight of a similar size slab of AR500

I ran small ESAPIs in a medium vest just for the weight savings alone

[rigid sequoia]

Level 4s I’ve seen up to 28 just plates and carrier

[plush topaz]

Ridiculous

[rigid sequoia]

Mine currently, plates and carrier comes in at 16.8

[plush topaz]

Steel?

[rigid sequoia]

Steel and soft

[plush topaz]

Nice so not too bad

[rigid sequoia]

Could be wrong in that one sec let me weigh that now

[plush topaz]

My vest fully loaded is nearly 40lbs

[rigid sequoia]

I’m running a veritas lite so I can get away with heavier plates

I’m also not running anything even mildly close to a combat load

[plush topaz]

Thicc

[rigid sequoia]

Lmao

Very off

19.2

-.4

Scale can’t decide

[plush topaz]

Hah

[rigid sequoia]

Peak face blur btw lol

[plush topaz]

Some more for you

[low zodiac]

You had to have fed the mule a treat

Please tell me you didn’t leave him treatless that night

[rigid sequoia]

What an oddly shaped dog

It’s 3 in the AM for me and I have to be up and moving by 7.

[snow scarab]

6 lbs is normally the standard

ESAPIs weigh 5.5

[marsh flint]

Tobacco seriously harms you and others near you

[plush topaz]

Excellent

[rigid sequoia]

That’s the idea 👍

[marsh flint]

I was watching good old Dexter

"It's 2010 who the fuck smokes"

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab wtf is this guy smoking

[snow scarab]

idfk dude

he’s on some shit

like a simple google search would help himself but he doesn’t want to lol

[coarse laurel]

He does the whole appeal to authority thing to prove his point because his buddies or something served but you are actually actively serving wearing said plates. Shit is funny

[eternal magnet]

Nice ass

[plush topaz]

Hugh Jass

[snow scarab]

yep. that and i can pull from all the way back in 2003 from our senior scout who literally invaded iraq in soft door humvees and AAVs with those shitty rectangle ceramic plates and m16s lol

[coarse laurel]

I knew someone who got recommended an article 15 for taking ar500 plates to a live fire exercise

[snow scarab]

good

[coarse laurel]

That was kinda goofy as hell

[muted gate]

The only way that a steel plate could have made it in 2003 is if somebody private purchased their own shit, But even then that doesn't make sense because IBAs were issued with ceramic plates, So if I'm a dumbass who private purchased my own body armor I would most likely rip the ceramics out of my IBA and then put them in my personal purchase plate carrier

which really wasn't even a fucking thing Because by O3 everyone is being issued ibas and nobody was allowed to wear anything else unless they were a fucking special dude

@rigid sequoia nothing you said made any sense, I just read through it

[coarse laurel]

Not to mention you think NCO’s wouldn’t do PCC’a and PCI’s checking their dudes before going out the wire?

[snow scarab]

03 they were still issuing fuckin woodland IBAs lol

[muted gate]

Now, the only way that I can see this making any form of fucking sense Is some dude in 2003 was unlucky as fuck and part of the National Guard and had some fucking PASGT from the 80s issued out to him

So he's like, fuck that shit i'm just going to buy my own

this is the only way that I can like see this making any sense

[coarse laurel]

They made medics wear IBA’s when I went through AIT

[snow scarab]

but even that can’t be possible because he is talking about guys in the marines

[snow scarab]

gross

[coarse laurel]

Yup lol

[snow scarab]

and in the invasion of iraq all soldiers were equipped with IBAs. even NG

[muted gate]

Not everyone

Most everyone but not everyone

You still saw some pasgt

It was rare but Ive seen like three photos of it

[snow scarab]

well our (at the time) bumfuck CAB unit from kansas was issued IBAs

our 1SG has pics

[muted gate]

you still saw it, because some guys were just turbo unlucky

[raw river]

apparently the navy used pasgts up until 2017 for boat defense

so it is possible

[snow scarab]

PASGT helmets yeah

but that’s made out of kevlar

[muted gate]

its a great flak vest

[coarse laurel]

I had an NCO show up from Ft Meade with a woodland IBA and 1SG was laughing his ass off commenting on where the fuck she pulled that antique out from

[muted gate]

which is what the navy was worried about

[snow scarab]

i imagine they weren’t using the plates tho

[coarse laurel]

She came from a super POG unit

Basically worked in a clinic

[muted gate]

It was National Guard right?

[coarse laurel]

active

[muted gate]

Or was it actually active

he says she got a fucking woodland iba on active

[coarse laurel]

Active she worked in a MEDDAC unit around the NCR region

[muted gate]

fuck me whod she piss off

[coarse laurel]

I’ve seen some weird shit like that

Often

[muted gate]

Yeah but you still think they'd be able to pull some shit out of fucking supply that was at least in UCP

[grand mountain]

I think if I loaded my carrier with real shit instead of my airsoft stuff it'd be like 20lbs lol

[raw river]

ngl at first i thought you were talking about the new california republic for a second

[grand mountain]

5 mags, 2 grenades, and small plates

[raw river]

i need more coffee

[muted gate]

Around the capital

[coarse laurel]

DC area

But yeah

[raw river]

yea i need coffee

[coarse laurel]

Dude I can’t go back to anything else, AVS spoiled me

[muted gate]

I just got a WAS recon for like 120 bucks with placards

buddydeals go brrrr

[snow scarab]

me with my SPC

fuckin love that thing

i might get a 6094

but idk

[coarse laurel]

I got issued the AVS + AVS chest rig, they initially gave me the wrong harness size but got it DX’d and now I’m gucci

[snow scarab]

also been here almost 3 months and i’m finally getting to go on a trip to the city lol

[coarse laurel]

I mainly used the rig since I’m in the woods and it doesn’t make sense walking around with a PC in the woods

It’s like a Rhodesian recon rig which is nice

[muted gate]

I'm happy, my pog unit has allowed personal gear

[coarse laurel]

Who you with

[muted gate]

guard

[snow scarab]

i use personal gear in the states. it’s just that we are deployed that they are getting fuckin picky

[coarse laurel]

What state rather

[snow scarab]

they originally said if it had an NSN it was fine but then rescinded that

[coarse laurel]

I used the JPC back panel instead of the yoke

So I can slap the zip on panel on the back

[muted gate]

basically everyhting has an nsn if you try hard enough

[snow scarab]

yeah i know

[plush topaz]

At least

[coarse laurel]

I turned it into a crye Frankenstein rig

[snow scarab]

the SPC has one

a lot of 500 was purchased by 19th group

[plush topaz]

@snow scarab oh I wanted to show you the carrier my sniper built for himself it's hilarious lol

[snow scarab]

125 in each size

[snow scarab]

fuckin send it

[grand mountain]

I don't have a lot on my carrier, it's pretty slick for the most part

[coarse laurel]

AVS using the spiritus spud pouches

[snow scarab]

wtf

what carrier even is that

[plush topaz]

Plenty of room for fun things

[real thorn]

why the neck thing?

[plush topaz]

Crye something.

[snow scarab]

god the temptation to sell my SPC and build out an MBAV AVS when i get back is high

[coarse laurel]

I normally use a different placard but I like the spud pouches because I can fit almost anything on it

[snow scarab]

oh it’s an LVS

[plush topaz]

Armour. He has shoulder too lol

[plush topaz]

Yeah that's the one

[snow scarab]

with the tactical outer portion

[coarse laurel]

I can fit 2x 7.62 mags, or a 417 style mag or a radio or a small Nalgene

[snow scarab]

threw me off for a sec

[grand mountain]

It's a wip. Wanna set up my radio since I have comtacs on the way and add a couple things for kit candy. Maybe either do a qore ice plate or a water bladder/back panel

[plush topaz]

@snow scarab he's a big guy. It suits him

[grand mountain]

I've been holding off on a radio cause I was using howie leights so no comms but I just bought some single lead 3s so need to get around to that now

[muted gate]

See I just don't want to have to buy a whole bunch of multicam pouches now

[snow scarab]

hopefully we’ve got a range this upcoming wednesday and i can actually use my IOTV for something other than drills

[muted gate]

Because now I got to buy a whole bunch of multicamp pouches for this new carrier and I want to KMS

[coarse laurel]

Placard time baby

[muted gate]

Bro it came with one, it's a 6 pouch from WAS

But like, I gotta buy a whole bunch of other ones

And I really fucking hate how the Cumberbund is set up

[coarse laurel]

Oh for the cummerbund

[muted gate]

but it was too cheap to pass up

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-dbe3e/images/stencil/500x500/products/828/12297/warrior-assault-systems-warrior-assault-systems-recon-plate-carrier__31716.1639941212.jpg?c=2

Look how fucking stupid this god damn cumberbund setup is

Like I fucking hate it and there's no way to change it because the clips are sewn into the Carrier

[coarse laurel]

I really like the crye MBITR/7.62 pouches and SPUD just because it’s multi use

Wtf brand is this

Is it a velocity

[plush topaz]

I need spud pouches. They're so good

[muted gate]

Warrior Assault Systems

some Britbong brand

[plush topaz]

I want to try the Chinese ripoff ones

Half the price

[coarse laurel]

Ohh

Oh god

[muted gate]

yeah its 350 new apparently what the fuck

[coarse laurel]

I agree the pouches are overpriced as fuck

Beez combat systems or maybe AXL might sell better cummerbunds or adapters

[muted gate]

im gonna rock this for a bit

see how much i hate it

But yeah the story I got from the guy that I trust was that some fucking Dutch SF dude was selling all of his gear, and this is all he had left over from basically he wanted everything else in the lot

So I didn't give a shit and I didn't buy it for the story, he said yo wanna buy it for like 100 bucks on top of like a gas mask I was buying and I said sure

so I guess this will be my carrier for my guards shit because all my other shits in coyote

[coarse laurel]

Nice

[real thorn]

ngl i dont get why people hate on the tactec so much

[raw river]

6 mags minimum

[coarse laurel]

The tactec is low quality also a lot of issues with plate fitment

[real thorn]

i have it, and the quality seems pretty good to me

[grand mountain]

1 in my gun, 5 on my plate carrier, 1 on my belt

[coarse laurel]

The cummerbund is also a huge issue

[raw river]

why not just get 3 double mag pouches?

ive got 4 on my PC

3 on my front carrier and 1 next to my radio on my cummerbund

[raw river]

does it not have a band or something

[coarse laurel]

It’s stretchy

[muted gate]

i do 5 on front, one on side, one on belt

[real thorn]

i find it good tbh

[raw river]

5 singles? are you built like that dude from the cartoon spiderman movie

[muted gate]

no, 2 doubles and a single

middle and left are doubles

right is a single with a leatherman pouch on it

[raw river]

ah

[muted gate]

then i have another single on my left side

[coarse laurel]

I experimented on a set up like this

[muted gate]

and a single on my belt line for 7

[coarse laurel]

On the back

[muted gate]

then in my pack ive got another 4-6 mags

and loose strippers

[coarse laurel]

It works but it’s awkward and easy to forget you have it

[raw river]

just bc theyre exotic dancers doesnt mean you have to insult them

im sorry that joke was bad

[muted gate]

I knew exactly that you were going to make that joke too

that was pretty bad tho

[raw river]

she said she loved me

[grand mountain]

I don't really like double stacking on my chest

[muted gate]

That's just an objectively incorrect opinion

[raw river]

that she loved me or double stacking is bad

[muted gate]

Double stacking is bad

[coarse laurel]

Let’s face it, most folks won’t be low crawling anyways

[raw river]

well they didnt say it was bad, they just dont like it

[muted gate]

Yeah, but that's like me saying I don't like peanut butter, it's still objectively incorrect

[raw river]

i never had an issue low crawling with doubles honestly

[coarse laurel]

Main concern for double stacking is going into the prone and having that shit stick out

I personally try not to prone

Lol

[raw river]

yea it does elevate your chest a little but not that much

yea just dont prone lmao

[coarse laurel]

Or I just prone sideways

Lmao

[plush topaz]

Same.

I'm prone all the time as I'm a sniper

It's also a lot of front weight

[muted gate]

Anyway I'm going to go back to ghost of tsushima

[grand mountain]

🔥

I skipped my graduation ceremony to play ghost of tsushima (I didn't want to go anyway)

[raw river]

bro this dude kicking my ass

[grand mountain]

Instead of walking the stage I just played ghost of tsushima and went on a bender

I absolutely fucking love ghost of tsushima's photo mode

I just wish it had a larger filter selection and the sword glint option worked

[muted gate]

im doing all the side quests atm before i start on the shit after freeing the dude

[raw river]

2nd playthrough im doing kurosawa mode

[raw river]

yea same

[grand mountain]

im still in act 1

I'm at the point where you recruit the people

[muted gate]

also bro, those boss fights are LITERALLY JUST LIFTED FROM KUROSAWA

[raw river]

yup

[muted gate]

https://youtu.be/rn4FY_k9FyE?t=132

[snow scarab]

i do 3 on the front, 2 side, one belt line

belt line is super easy to grab from prone

at least with a horizontal mag pouch it is

[muted gate]

i need to have a kung fu theater night soon

[snow scarab]

cough virgin cough

[muted gate]

do you not know kung fu theater?

[raw river]

you have a movie accurate chewbacca mask

[snow scarab]

fucking what

first off no. second off, i fuckin wish

[raw river]

you said you had like 10k in star wars shit and a chewbacca mask

[snow scarab]

i do have like 10 grand in star wars shit but not a chewbacca mask

that was someone else

[raw river]

oh probably woo

[snow scarab]

most of that money for my star wars shit is a couple books

[muted gate]

OK, so kung fu theater was a thing From like this 70s till the 90s , basically what it was on every Saturday at noon You would have a channel That would play only kung fu movies

[snow scarab]

once again, sounds virginy

[grand mountain]

I should show you my sith lady and the lightsabers I wanna make if I ever get that done

I want to have her lightsaber hilts custom machined and put the electronics in them

[muted gate]

Dude, fucking old Hong Kong action movies were all either kung fu or a Jackie chan movie

One of my favorites for obvious reasons

[grand mountain]

and most of the jackie chan movies were also kung fu movies

[raw river]

do not let neko see this

[muted gate]

I know, my lucky stars is a jackie chan movie

[eternal magnet]

@calm stone

[muted gate]

Bro, I remember being a kid and watching this movie

[raw river]

you fool

what have you done

[muted gate]

I remember distinctly going "wait a minute, hold up" when this fight scene happened

[snow scarab]

you like asian men?

[muted gate]

[raw river]

every dude who grew up in the late 90s-early 2000s watched jackie chan

meanwhile shovl grew up watching uncle grandpa and skibidi toilet

[muted gate]

legend of the drunken master

police story

big trouble in lil china

[raw river]

i havent watched that in like 10-11 years

[muted gate]

bro, im gonna have a kung fu theater night tonight

fuck it

[raw river]

7 samurai is on hbo i think

[muted gate]

no, there is a channel on peacock iirc

@snow scarab https://youtu.be/IBvKv9Xxfto

this is kung fu theater

[raw river]

https://play.max.com/movie/c00ace36-3a1d-43ad-a7f9-206cbc3abcab

[muted gate]

its so fuckin racist

[snow scarab]

idek what skibidi toilet is

i’ve heard that shit all the time

no clue what it is

[raw river]

nobody does

[snow scarab]

uncle grandpa was peak

weird as fuck

[raw river]

oh hell no he actually watched it

[muted gate]

@raw river found it

PlutoTV has Flicks of Fury

[raw river]

never heard of pluto

[muted gate]

paramount

https://images.pluto.tv/channels/58e55b14ad8e9c364d55f717/featuredImage.jpg?auto=&q=70&fit=fill&fill=blur&ixlib=react-9.1.5

[snow scarab]

i mean, yeah. i was like 10

[raw river]

stop that

stop that right now

[rigid sequoia]

If you read it through you’d have seen I said I’d ask when I’m in his area or he’s in mine, let’s leave it there

[low fox]

What are your guys opinions on Nikes combat boots?

I thought they were just ok

[low zodiac]

I’ve heard great things about adidas combat boots

Comfort wise

[coarse laurel]

The issue the Nike SFB’s is the fact that it rubs on the ankles

@snow scarab I might need to size up soon

I’m getting big

[snow scarab]

based

i’m hoping to need to size up by the end of this deployment to large tops. idk if it’s gonna happen tho

i’m in a weird body shape where larges look huge on me and mediums are just the tiniest bit too small

[snow scarab]

disgusting. buy belleville C320s

[coarse laurel]

I managed to save money buying C320’s instead of garmonts

Lol

I replace boots so often that buying garmonts over and over is kinda dumb

[snow scarab]

yeah

C320s are the perfect mix of light and durable imo

only boot i’ve worn for a while now

[coarse laurel]

c320’s at airborne school saved me

Running everywhere in boots

[old portal]

I wore some for cpl years early in my cop career after the Army. I liked them. For my combat deployments I wore Merrell Sawtooths. Loved them. Could only get away with them overseas and not stateside

[snow scarab]

yeah that too. built like a running shoe

[raw river]

@low fox I wore them for a few years, bought 3 pairs I liked them

[plush topaz]

Belleville baby

We use those now

They're SO comfortable

[karmic pelican]

https://anatactical.ru/snaryazhenie/plitnik/846 alway pondering about that one ha

[rigid sequoia]

These are what I’ve always worn for hiking, hunting, and other activities that boots are suited for.

Love the hell out of them, especially as someone with back problems.

[plush topaz]

Nice. Look light

Not a fan of boots with zippers though

Big failure point

[rigid sequoia]

I’ve had that issue with lots of others, theses foot even feel like they’re supposed to unzip.

Might pick the brains of some of my friends who wore them and enlisted to see if they hold up to any sort of real stress.

Only issue I’ve ever had with these is their laces do like to stretch under humidity and long periods of wear, but I’ve just been replacing the laces every so often and they don’t have that issue anymore

[plush topaz]

That'll happen with any boot

No matter what

Lace wear is common always carry spares

[nocturne crest]

Got any buddies wearing solomons with that pull tab tightening thing?

I fuck with it heavy, just curious how long this would last in the field😂

[rigid sequoia]

👍

[old portal]

Recommend having 550 handy to make new laces when that thing inevitably frays and breaks. My last 2 pairs of Solomon’s for police work had that failure. Great until it’s not

[nocturne crest]

Yeah mine just broke at the side tab a couple months ago on my other boot. Stupid comfy boot forsure though.

Going to get a new pair, but mine are so broken in that I dont wanna

[old portal]

Ya I’m rocking a pair now. Definitely my go to shoes/boots now when not at work. Steel toe required at work.

[nocturne crest]

Still doing LEO?

[old portal]

Nope. Left almost 5 months ago. 13 years was enough. Work for railroad as train conductor now

[nocturne crest]

That shits rough man, all my boys are fucked up from it

[old portal]

Ya it’s rough schedule but it pays decent enough and it’s not cop work.

[plush topaz]

Yes including myself. No issues. But heard of several

[nocturne crest]

They just fall out of the tuck thing in the front of the boot sometimes, and I could totally see someone eating shit in the middle of trying to do CQB stuff lmfao

[plush topaz]

Or snagged

But that could happen with regular laces too

[muted gate]

ive got the SFBs, they fall apart after a while

[storm peak]

Very dated setup there gramps

Why buy coyote brown combat boots if not serving?

Just buy normal boots or be a normal person and just buy solomons

[low zodiac]

They’re hella comfy

[storm peak]

My Solomons are more comfy then my boots

[low zodiac]

Idk what Solomon’s are so they don’t exist

[storm peak]

Well mb, salomon

Typo be real when waking up

This is a good brand too

[empty sorrel]

The only steel armor ever issued was during world war II to bomber crews

We've been using ceramics since Vietnam. I have one, I can show it to you.

The only steel plates that are remotely modern that I know of were issued a secret service members, where thinness and concealability was the sole concern.

[empty sorrel]

I mean he did say Marines...

[rigid sequoia]

Yeah as I said I'll ask old dude when I see him next about his plates and why he was running them

[empty sorrel]

curious the plate on the left, was first issued to air cruise, but then a very similar version was issued to ground troops and limited quantities. The only other armor fielded in Vietnam was soft armor, nylon vests for fragmentation.

You can look up that NSN there and see when it was first issued

[old portal]

The M1?

[storm peak]

Nah that loadout

[empty sorrel]

If it was later than Vietnam, it was probably the RBAV and associated plates.

After that and you get into the PASGT era

[rigid sequoia]

He was GWOT (not GWAT as I was corrected on last night lol)

[empty sorrel]

In that case he was almost certainly issued standard sapi plates, ceramic plates designed to stop m80 ball

Along with a pasgt vest, or an IOTV if he was lucky

[old portal]

Message just came up finally. Plane wifi is meh. That was my common loadout in 07 as an SL. Not really sure what you fellas are running around with now

[old portal]

They most definitely were SAPI. ESAPI were standardized in 06. You weren’t entering country without ESAPI. It was mandatory equipment just like all those boring ass safety briefings.

[muted gate]

rba was after pasgt

Its m52, m69, pasgt, RBA, IBA, IOTV

with CVC and Chickenvests thrown in post m52 through pasgt

[empty sorrel]

You're right, I must have mixed it up with something else

[empty sorrel]

So would you agree it's safe to say that the United States has not used steel plates since wwII

At least not in any appreciable quantity

[old portal]

Absolutely. If there were lighter options issued for free in the govt dime…Joe wasn’t going out to buy a heavier less reliable piece out of pocket

[empty sorrel]

I need to find an rba plate for my collection...

[muted gate]

korea

m52

[old portal]

I’m unaware of RBA plates. I had SAPI plates beginning in 02. They were a 1 for 1 trade for ESAPI at CIF pre deployment

[empty sorrel]

Fair enough, I guess the statement would be accurate though if I specified rifle armor then? Looks like the m52 was just a flak vest

[old portal]

I think it’s a fair assessment that Steele armor plates has not been in play at anytime during the GWOT period. It would have been a private purchase and again Joe not buying that out of pocket if a lighter free option is available. No NCO worth anything would have let that fly during a proper PCC/PCI either.

[coarse laurel]

lmao remember dragonskin?

[old portal]

Never once saw it but heard its name a lot around that time period.

No clue what it was really about

[coarse laurel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin

[old portal]

I can’t remember for sure but I feel like the mil put through some testing for consideration that never went anywhere, I maybe wrong tho

[coarse laurel]

PEO soldier is always on some shit these days

[old portal]

Are they actually going to the SPEAR 6.8? Is it really happening?

[coarse laurel]

idk if you are tracking but the newest bodsy armor is the MSV, it feels so outdated

[coarse laurel]

yes

so here in ranger school we have a bunch of them, also the 7.62x51 variant

[old portal]

I’m surprised. It was always constant talk of replacing the M4 with this and that and nothing ever happened

[coarse laurel]

we used them for best ranger competition

[old portal]

How you like it?

[coarse laurel]

That’s the Spear

Notice the ranger diamond engraving? Haha

[old portal]

My understanding is the combat load is heavier but like 70 rounds lower…if that’s true I don’t think I can get behind that

[coarse laurel]

i got some healthy trigger time with it, its actually not bad but it will force infantry tactics to change

the NGSW program is like a package deal

the M250 and the M7

250 being the replacement for the 249 thats way lighter

[old portal]

Ya I like it.

My cop partner my last 5 years of LEO work did 8 years at 2/75

[coarse laurel]

and easier to use

250 weighs 4-6lbs less

than the 249

[old portal]

They all come suppressed too?

[coarse laurel]

the BII does come with supressors

also the smart optic by vortex is part of the NGSW program

[old portal]

I’m imagine those will stay locked up…Joe gonna burn those things out in. I time and I doubt getting them replaced will ever be a priority.

Once they’re gone they’re gone type of thing

[coarse laurel]

so from what i heard from the guys at USAMU (US army marskmanship unit) the XM157 optic is kinda costly and they will really only field them 1-2 per squad and the rest of the rifles with LPVO's in a squad

[coarse laurel]

the supressors are easy to replace

they are gonna be like barrels i guess

they will get life cycled so often

[old portal]

God i remember when they kept pushing that land warrior crap first years. One of our battalion deployed it in 07 for first time. Added like 20 extra pounds to NCOs just to give them BFT in their eye. Not worth it I say

[coarse laurel]

the optic is actually great lol

the issue is it costs 15k

while the base rifle costs 5k

the tango 6T LPVO's that will be used are also 1k+

[coarse laurel]

lol they kinda revived it with the IVAS system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Visual_Augmentation_System

[old portal]

Oh I bet I just see big army putting it off due to “budget” concerns

[coarse laurel]

The only reason Sig won is because compared to the competition they offered it cheaper

[storm peak]

Tbh I can't wait to get back into the force and get my hands on all this new stuff

[coarse laurel]

The issue with the IVAS is it gave people migraines

[storm peak]

I did some testing for some clipon thermals for some company for contracting stuff last year

[coarse laurel]

Literally wearing a whole ass VR goggle

[old portal]

I would imagine the contract was something like they will replace everything free of cost as part of the program for xxx amount of years

[storm peak]

I mean you get migranes from not being used to vr

[coarse laurel]

True

I guess it’s just from prolonged wear

[storm peak]

I have to take anti neasua meds everytime I take a long break from vr

[old portal]

I can’t do that anymore. My squad took a dismounted ied point blank Sept 07. Knocked me out. Came to in a gunfight. Had chronic migraines ever since

[coarse laurel]

@old portal when we do Ranger in Action we have guys wear the new stuff you would find in the line

The PSQ-42’s, IHPS, MSV’s, and the M7

And the 250

[old portal]

VA rated me for the migraines caused by the TBI but 0 rated the TBI as non service connected….who knows

[storm peak]

Lmao VA at its finest

[old portal]

I like the looks of that SPEAR.

[storm peak]

I can't wait to see baffle strikes

[old portal]

I’d like to try out those 42s. We “field tested” the first gen of PSQ20 going to like units in 09. Gave us a bunch a few weeks before deployment. I think wasn’t impressed and left it packed away.

[coarse laurel]

I’ve seen an M7 get thrown from a Blackhawk from a hundred feet and it was fine

I was worried they would dent the handguard lol

But it didn’t surprisingly enough

[old portal]

Pretty impressive

[coarse laurel]

I kinda hated the 42’s when I used it, so when we got em in 2021 Q4 we broke 2 of them haha

2 dudes took a tumble down the side of a mountain and broke it

The depth perception was killing folks

I went back to the PVS-14 since I was used to it

It takes some getting used to

[old portal]

They do look kinda fragile. I’ve only ever known 14s with very limited time behind some 15s

[coarse laurel]

It saying it’s super bad but it feels weird

Granted these dudes got smashed up on some trees breaking their fall

Other than that some folk’s especially the scouts love them

[old portal]

I think with enough time it could be ok. After being behind 14s for 7 years then suddenly say try these…that’s a hard change to swallow

[coarse laurel]

@old portal the spear will definitely change shit up for infantry doctrine

Since they are stuck with a 20rd mag no more trying to suppress with a battle rifle

Leave it to the 250

[old portal]

Hey at least the 250 will still be belt fed. I still can’t understand why the USMC went with a magazine fed support weapon

[coarse laurel]

Honestly the M27 was a con by the marines to get the Hk416 lol

[old portal]

A friend told me the standard load for their new “SAW” is 27 magazines….wtf

[coarse laurel]

They literally use it as a DMR and standard infantry rifle now

They conned Congress into approving that shit for sure

It’s smart as fuck

[old portal]

They should have forced a belt fed iteration for it. I get wanting to go to a piston driven HK platform but not in exchange for a 27 magazine SAW

[coarse laurel]

I don’t think they even stopped using their belt feds either

[old portal]

Friend told me it’s completely phased out the 249

[coarse laurel]

Speaking of belt feds

For best ranger we had belt feds on the STEED system

For the competitors

It’s basically a trolley with an MG on it, you can put a shield and it can carry boxes and boxes of ammo

And it’s all terrrain

[old portal]

Just the entire marine rifle platoon loadout is odd to me. 3 13 man rifle squads is a platoon…if you want a gun it’s an attachment from an entirely separate entity. That’s just a crazy concept to me

Suppressed 240? Damn that’s wild

[coarse laurel]

Yeah lmao

[old portal]

Towed gun platform?

[coarse laurel]

Yeah

[old portal]

wtf is going on now

[coarse laurel]

You can also hook this on the humvee and tow it

There’s also a version meant for litters

To carry folks

[old portal]

Dang the army has changed a lot

[coarse laurel]

https://ads-inc.transforms.svdcdn.com/production/images/news/hendrick-steed.jpg?w=1500&h=1000&auto=compress%2Cformat&fit=crop&dm=1698853288&s=ea7216c1047989dc5e1e74307d1c7dbf

Hendrick motor sports makes em

[echo jay]

bet that make more doing that than racing lmao

[coarse laurel]

we had their representative give us some steeds to use for the medical lane of BRC

[old portal]

I remember at Lewis when 2/75 were doing their cycles they would kill power around the PX and drop onto gray army for airfield seizures. Hear those little dirtbike things they would airdrop flying up and down the strip

[echo jay]

me when I overcharge the government 5000%

[coarse laurel]

For real

[coarse laurel]

Dude so basically 25th ID has a jungle Cav thing going on

They have e bikes

[old portal]

Ok I like the litter thing but i mean how the eff it help you out in an op

[coarse laurel]

Like electric dirtbikes

It’s crazy

[old portal]

All the joes in a platoon each hump one piece if that litter and assemble on target

[old portal]

Now that’s interesting

[coarse laurel]

We use Polaris MRAZR’s here in Ranger School

[old portal]

Sounds like a modern day Nam LRRPS thing

[coarse laurel]

theres alot of changes going on right now

like getting rid of cav squadrons in conus light units

and then putting tanks in the 82nd

the new 19C Bradley crewman mos

downsizing 19D's

[old portal]

Ya I heard there were now tanks in the 82nd again. Wild

[coarse laurel]

removal of DLC courses

making it so people can get E5 without BLC/WLC

[old portal]

? Is it like the old 11M designator?

[coarse laurel]

yes but armor

fucking 11B's got tired of driving their own platforms

apparently

[old portal]

When did that become a requirement again. You could pin E5 without PLDC/WLC and E6 without BNCOC but had to complete before look at next promotion obviously

[coarse laurel]

yeah they renamed the PME courses, BLC, ALC, SLC, MLC etc

[old portal]

I hated my time in mech infantry unit. Too understrength to fulfill a full infantry mission. Two rifle squads with attached 240s

I loved my time in Strykers. It was light infantry with a fast quiet ride

[coarse laurel]

i had a 1068/577/113A3 as a medic in a combiend arms bn

[old portal]

So I remember this went away about the time I was an E4….probably sometime in ‘04. If you had not promoted to E6 by your 15 year mark you were booted out. GWOT changed that I believe. We had an E6 in my company get into a drunken fight and whip a privates ass one night at the barracks. He lost his rocker and they were doing the paperwork to boot him out cuz he was at like 18 years…they rescinded that policy just in time for him to not be booted

It was a crazy situation

[old portal]

I’m not familiar with any of that ha. Ive been out 14 years. If I ever knew it I’ve definitely forgotten it

[coarse laurel]

@old portal this one

That was my baby

[old portal]

Oh I remember the 113s

Did it have the stick steering?

[coarse laurel]

nope

[old portal]

My first unit as private was mech infantry and the 113s had that old school stick steering for individual track control

Here’s some old school me as 18 year old private or pfc

Worst vehicle to be crammed into and then dismount from

Bro those boots were the shit too. Old school green/black soft upper jungle boots

@coarse laurel here’s a solid question. Is MILES gear still a thing or has that improved with technology?

[coarse laurel]

yes still a thing

[old portal]

Has it at least improved? Those giant boxes mounted to front post and the halo/harness that almost never works

So I think my last JRTC rotation had like an improved miles system with a little smaller box emitter but still atrocious. Hopefully they’ve came up with something better since then

[coarse laurel]

they still suck

[gaunt pagoda]

Seat taken?

[snow scarab]

thanks for your help

knew i could count on your tism

[grand mountain]

These comtacs seem real? I'm not sure

I think they are but not totally certain

[old portal]

Looks like what I remember but it’s been a long time since I touched a pair

[empty sorrel]

@grand mountain pop the earmuff off, is there a rubber piece inside that says made in sweden?

[grand mountain]

I don't have em yet

[empty sorrel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand mountain]

Eh I'll get them and check that once they're here

[empty sorrel]

Here's how I got mine

[grand mountain]

Yeah these are 3s so no print on the cups

Gonna check inside the battery, the muffs, and look at the circuit board when they're here

I'll have to take the muffs off to put the gel cups on anyway

[empty sorrel]

look real imo

fakes usually dont survive long enough to get that roughed up

[grand mountain]

Yeah it was tacswap and the dude had good reviews

I'm just paranoid

This is my upgrade from howie leights so yknow

[empty sorrel]

did you get a good deal?

3s are kinda dated

[grand mountain]

he asked 350

I got it down to 335

[empty sorrel]

not great

[grand mountain]

So not a steal, but I didn't get raked over the coals

[empty sorrel]

not terrible

I traded an IHPS for two NIB comtac5

[grand mountain]

I also made an offer on a crye combat shirt

Dude's asking 125, I offered 100

We'll see if he bites

[empty sorrel]

flipped one for 600 and sold my old 2s, making back what I spent on the helmet

[grand mountain]

My sizes are hard to find cuz I'm a twink

After a better combat shirt I might buy a real helmet

[empty sorrel]

just get regular frog gear

I would untderstand for pants

but the tops arent really that different

[grand mountain]

Well

The combat shirt I have rn is the army combat shirt

It's not comfortable lmao

And 100 for a crye g3 top doesn't seem bad at all to me

[grand mountain]

I did get a pair of crye combats to replace my patagonia combat pants lately

Flipped the pants for more than I paid since I mended a tear pretty well

[empty sorrel]

what camo are you investing in

[grand mountain]

the basic bitch camo

[empty sorrel]

L

[empty sorrel]

damn you really are scrawny

[grand mountain]

5'10 120lbs

[empty sorrel]

goddamn

[grand mountain]

No matter how much I spend my gear will never look good because I'm elf built

[empty sorrel]

go bulk or somthin

[grand mountain]

im on one lol

[empty sorrel]

get some protien powder

[grand mountain]

up 10lbs from my starting point

[grand mountain]

I keep protein bars and shakes in the house

[empty sorrel]

also, id say, either fold the sleves past the elbow, or dont roll em at all

also I'd say to move to a drippier camo

[grand mountain]

I hate having them fully down but I also hate showing my elbows lmao

[empty sorrel]

ranger green, flektarn, AOR, etc

[grand mountain]

Maybe in the future

I'm getting multicam for my first kit because it's basic

I'd like to do something with RG in the future

Which will probably end up just looking like a fed kit but yknow

[empty sorrel]

digicam

[grand mountain]

not a huge fan of digital patterns most of the time ngl

Except on my power armour

[empty sorrel]

ya gotta wear like three different camo's at the same time to not look like a fed

this one might fit ya, xsmall https://www.ebay.com/itm/305556769843

[grand mountain]

97 cent bit 😭

[empty sorrel]

low demand

@grand mountain https://www.ebay.com/itm/305556770335 matching pants

you arent actually that short tho so maybe not

[grand mountain]

Eh, just not super interested in doing digital kit

• I need to finish this kit before I start experimenting with new things

Wanna have something I know works before I get wacky wit it

[empty sorrel]

gotta love it when the ebay kit comes with free blood stains

[grand mountain]

authenticity

[unique garnet]

gm

[compact dagger]

Seeing US kits being so small weirds me out

Here we carry 8 mags if we run rifles, and shit is so uncomfortable to set up

[snow scarab]

you still need to board tho right?

also let’s be honest, DLC was stupid

[snow scarab]

wdym? most guys still run 7 magazines

[old portal]

Is standard combat load 7 mags still?

Most of my guys ran at least 8. I carried 10. 9 in triple mag pouches plus one in redi-mag

[coarse laurel]

Yes

[coarse laurel]

Dlc 2 was obnoxious

[snow scarab]

yeah

[old portal]

It changing with the SPEAR changeover with smaller magazines? @coarse laurel

[coarse laurel]

Yeah

We’re back to 20 rd mags

Like Vietnam

[muted gate]

the stated combat load isnt changing iirc

its just that you are droping 33% of your ammo per rifleman

70-100 rounds per dude for the same weight

meaning 210 rounds per fireteam

if they rolled it out so that EVERYONE in an inf company that had m4s got swapped over to m7s, thats 104 dudes according to doctrine

youd loose between 7,280 and 10,400 rounds

[coarse laurel]

I lowkey wish they adopt the spear LT

As an alternative

[muted gate]

My problem is that I know for a fact that the whole 6.8 craze isn't going to do shit because by the time we field enough of these fucking bastards we're going to be like "oh we're going to go back to another immediate"

And the entire program would have been completely just null and void and they're going to go back to an 855A2 or some shit

[coarse laurel]

The folks writing doctrine here in Benning is doubling down on this

[muted gate]

the folks that Benning can be doubling down on it as much as they want, it still doesn't mean that it's going to stay around

[coarse laurel]

Only time will tell honestly

[muted gate]

Honestly I hope it dies

I really hope that the entire project just decides to 86 itself, resulting in a block 4 (or would it be 5) m4 with a new chambering in a 556 case

Which I'm really fucking surprised wasn't what the trial was for In the beginning but that's just a different aside