irl-gear

[limber linden]

but yeah i love my 6sh118, awesome hiking bag that i use for everything really. only real con is that the bag weighs 8 lbs iirc

[timber fog]

No, they’re literally the same exact thing, scalping doesn’t have any stock-clearing requirements and is exactly what you described reselling as

[coarse laurel]

Good lum tonight

[naive maple]

i need nods

[naive maple]

what are you using

i assume its issue in your case

[coarse laurel]

Nah I brought my personal one

Tonight

It’s a PVS-14 with an Elbit tube green phospor

[naive maple]

is that better than what you get issued?

i guess they just hand out whatever pvs14s still work

[coarse laurel]

My issue one right now is a PSQ-42 and I didn’t wanna draw one from the arms room lol

I’m doing drop zone coverage for night jumps right now

[naive maple]

[coarse laurel]

The only folks who get 14’s in my unit are ranger students mostly

[naive maple]

ive never heard of a psq-42

that looks fancy

[coarse laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PSQ-42

[naive maple]

[coarse laurel]

Lol I’m assigned to the ranger school not some basic line unit atm

[naive maple]

i know

[coarse laurel]

I get to play with some fancy shit

[naive maple]

but i figured that still meant you had to eat shit with old stuff

[coarse laurel]

Then again PSQ-42’s aren’t really fancy anymore since they are out in the line

[naive maple]

over here no one gets nods except the very tip of the spear

but we are not a serious people

[coarse laurel]

What country

[naive maple]

norway

[coarse laurel]

Ah

[coarse laurel]

Wdym

[naive maple]

i figured even rangers got old stuff

[coarse laurel]

No lol

[naive maple]

and the binos and such were for jsoc guys

[coarse laurel]

Regiment gets all the fancy shit, I work at the school house and we get the next level down lol

So what’s funny

Is the Norwegian guys we have here at Ft Moore has some fancy shit

[naive maple]

presumably they're tip of the spear guys

[coarse laurel]

Not really

Just officer and senior NCO types here as liaisons

[naive maple]

just take a closer look if they have a seahorse or a paratrooper patch on them

[coarse laurel]

They also host the Norwegian Ruck March for us

[naive maple]

we don't have regular airborne forces, anyone with a paratrooper patch on a norwegian uniform is a stone cold killer

[coarse laurel]

We can actually earn the Norwegian foot March badge

If we choose to do it

and wear it on our dress uniform

Like our foreign jump wings and the German firearms proficiency badges

I’m trying to see if I can get Japanese jump wings this year

[naive maple]

and here is why infantrymen don't have nods

[coarse laurel]

Lol

[naive maple]

you vs the guy she told you not to worry about https://soldiersystems.net/2024/02/25/record-breaking-army-astronaut-receives-rare-qualification-device/

[coarse laurel]

TFW I’ll never be that cool

I just jump out of planes

[naive maple]

that is pretty cool

but do you have a mountain leader course

[tawny bane]

@low fox you recive your skanda?

[naive maple]

[grand mountain]

wrong channel but based

[coarse laurel]

We have mountaineering courses

[shy charm]

Nope, right channel

Post more feet

[untold sable]

i'm finnish and i feel you bro, this shit is so sad

the ratio isn't as crazy though

but still

[coarse laurel]

Everyone here gets nods

[untold sable]

i think everyone in a role involving combat gets them here

or well, rather the ones currently in service

they get the latest stuff

i'd say if a war were to happen, very likely you would see guys going around like this within months

[naive maple]

sweet, do i just put my address in your inbox?

[timber fog]

You make jokes but I genuinely wish my country’s budgeting looked closer to this

[naive maple]

it looks like that because we've imported hundreds of thousands of illiterates that will never hold a job in their lives and produce 7 children each

[muted gate]

too bad alot of that isnt in production and within 6 months you'd be switching to m4s

[untold sable]

we have a some of that laying around, and if i'm being perfectly honest, we would lose within 6 months

[muted gate]

laying around dont mean shit

sheer attrition numbers due to the amount of conscripts means that it lasts months

350K ish of 62s
20k 95s
and about 300k of various AKs

[untold sable]

im mainly speaking of gear perspective, not guns itself, we have plenty of those

we don't have this fancy new gear for everyone

just a few thousand

[muted gate]

not when the conscription base is 3,914,706 people aged 18-60

what'll happen mostlikely would be nordic supply plus american

[untold sable]

then the guys that come after this few thousand will be using the older M05 gear, and so on

by the time we are running out of this, assuming the war will continue, yea we will have foreign stuff

but there's still gonna probably be people running around with really old stuff

cause not everyone out of the few hundred thousand is in quite good shape, and might not be worth equipping with all the fanciest gear

people age and get beer bellies

[timber fog]

Same deal over here, we just don’t have to import it

[small pine]

Cool harness and unfirom man

Would ppl really go out like this? The equipment seems a bit old

[untold sable]

ah that ain't me, just some pic off the internet, the gear is just what we used in like the 80s, and might be used again if desperate enough

[small pine]

I see

[untold sable]

i mean there's all these fat reservists which plate carriers fail to cover

[small pine]

I doubt my country will even survive long enough to reach out for those supplies

That is if we haven't scrapped them and sold them already

[untold sable]

yea honestly i doubt that too

[untold sable]

it's a small country with a relatively small army

[cobalt bramble]

You know he may not need plates due to the amount of blubber

He’s got at least 3A built in

[untold sable]

lmao

[small pine]

Bulgaria has around 36 000 including reserves so we are pretty sad-looking especially if you know that the army still runs with AK-74, relatively new (1991) uniform for most of the personnel and maybe a few SVDs

[small pine]

Lol

Ripstop anti-stab fabric

[untold sable]

we have a lot of reservists, but again, it's a mystery on how many of them could actually be anywhere near fit for service, especially in modern times as gear gets heavier and you carry more of it

[small pine]

Yeah its probably the same case here as well

But it also goes out for active service members

[untold sable]

what, fat people in active service?

[small pine]

We used to have around 1.2 million total army so youd figure the AK can actually prove good enough but with an army as little as 30k you can probably defend for 2 weeks at best until you run out of personnel that can substitute losses

[small pine]

Well not fat fat

[marsh flint]

Where?

[small pine]

But Ive seen chubby guys

[marsh flint]

Oh nm

[small pine]

Bulgaria before 1989

[untold sable]

fitness requirements: skinny-fat

[small pine]

After that we just sold everything and gained nothing in return

[untold sable]

just BMI between 20-30 and you are in

[marsh flint]

No.

[untold sable]

enlighten me

[marsh flint]

M05 has been in use for so long they even have them for the dirtiest jobs

While it was m64 20 years ago

Finn Civ market is full of m05

Many active reservists have their own gear.

They won't be deploying spare reserve within months either

[untold sable]

yea i mainly meant the less active reservists

pun intended

[marsh flint]

M91 is museum stuff

[untold sable]

yea i trust you know better than me on this topic

i'm no expert, my only qualification is living in finland

[marsh flint]

Yea well situation is a bit better now

Id say you wouldve been right 5-10 years ago

Time flies

M23 is the newest shit

[untold sable]

i might get to try that out

my service starts this summer

[marsh flint]

Oh

Just hang in there even if its bad at times

It should be bad

[untold sable]

oh im quite prepared

[marsh flint]

👍👍

Voiko vitutukseen kuolla ja spoilaan että vastaus on että ei siihen kyllä oikee :/

[untold sable]

i've been working out a bunch and generally look positively into the whole thing

[marsh flint]

Good

[untold sable]

my life at the moment kinda sucks so most things will be an improvement

i actually like the idea of getting pretty much institutionalized, having my life on a solid schedule etc.

[marsh flint]

Conscription comes at a good point for many young men

It's an additional gap year with hands full and mind empty

[untold sable]

hands full and mind empty

well said

the kind of stuff i like

[marsh flint]

Entering the larp world as a lvl 0

[untold sable]

thinking is my worst enemy, reminds me of how lonely i am

[marsh flint]

Soon youll get many friends

Everybody gets

[untold sable]

oh i already larp, i would still say im lvl 0, i just got like 25 xp

[marsh flint]

Haha

Good

[untold sable]

misery gear my beloved

[marsh flint]

Is that a saiga?

Oh wait selector has full auto

[muted gate]

god that reminds me of sturmi

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/539860515233464320/1050121092532031569/IMG_6782.png?ex=65e8b9fa&is=65d644fa&hm=f7e3cbdc961a767f3d72a9ada13cfd478fbe313622bf56e598d29d1b766d9cc1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=402&height=644

[untold sable]

airshit

[marsh flint]

Yeah

I'm not too good with akm and their toy versions tbh

[untold sable]

i enjoy the misery

airsoft is just good for what i can afford

and it's good bit of fun

[muted gate]

i love AKs

i just wish someone made a carrier for a 74 that was RK95 style

[marsh flint]

One of the few ways to get to shoot people

[muted gate]

love that tilted handle

[marsh flint]

It's alright

There is a small screw under it

Nearly took my thumbnail off once

I shoot from the left

[untold sable]

i wouldn't count it as a training in any way

you don't have these airsoft 50 meter standoffs with real guns

you try to shoot an opponent but neither of you guys hit due to the range of airsoft guns

it's just a good bit of fun

maybe events like TSTOS can count as training, as there's much more involved than just shooting bb guns

[marsh flint]

Yeah Airsoft is only good for dry practicing

[untold sable]

with gas guns, yeah, with electric guns, the manual of arms is not really reminiscent of real guns

[small pine]

Nahhh he almost looks okay upfront but when you turn it it's like a pancake

[muted gate]

sturmi is a fuckin story

dude is obsessed with DPCU, and you can see he has 3 version of it in that pic

[small pine]

He can camouflage well as a boulder

Is that guy a big thing as in popular or smth?

[stable stream]

My buddy with his bought off temu gear

[shy charm]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZtMmXubkVpo?si=Tl9u1Z88RBm8SgSu

[low fox]

Anyone know what shoulder protection and elbow protection knight use?

The small protection with patches

[cobalt bramble]

I Think it’s from hoplite armor

[amber echo]

Pretty sure someone made a vid about it, I think they are from crye but they dont make em anymore so super rare

[cobalt bramble]

Definitely not from crye

They have never made hard armor that attaches to your limbs like that

I don’t think crye has ever made hard amor period they make soft armor but o don’t think the have a made anything that doesn’t attach to one of their plate carriers

Aside from the blast belt

[amber echo]

Im unsure myself but this guy made a full cosplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up6YJFdKv14&ab_channel=MadAKMax

At around 6:40 he starts talking about the arms

[cobalt bramble]

If it’s a crye product it’s news to me

Can’t find anything on it

Like literally nothing

Unless they are modified side plate pouches which I don’t think they are

[cobalt bramble]

@amber echo son of a bitch it is made by crye

[empty sorrel]

kinda remids me of the IDAS armor system

https://www.gear-illustration.com/2022/12/07/med-eng-integrated-dismounted-armor-system-gunner-idasg/

[naive maple]

why are there so many comtacs

comtac 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

which one do i want

[marsh flint]

6 appears to cost 1611 €

https://www.finnprotec.fi/webshop/tuoteryhma/3m-peltor/156

Eight is like half the price. Wonder what they have reduced

Battery life only 50 hours

[marsh flint]

But it's the same in every of them

[gritty bay]

is this enough for an ifak

[low fox]

Always pack another TQ

Also quick clot is pretty much a must have

[marsh flint]

Another one can be on your carrier/somewhere fast and easily available

[gritty bay]

ignore the mags lol

[gritty bay]

assuming if im gonna get shot its likely gonna be more than once

[stable stream]

I pack 2 extra TQ’s in my range bag with a FIBS bag that has a 3rd. I’m currently working on getting my Crye JPC 2.0 put together. Only thing I really don’t have is the quick clot. I really need to buy those things

[coarse laurel]

Explain the syringe and catheter

[compact dagger]

Don't see a point of having a syringe in your ifak tbh

[coarse laurel]

I judge the fuck out of people’s IFAK’s it’s literally my job lol

[compact dagger]

Besides that, quick clot gauze would be good, get another TQ and they both need to be properly prepared for quick use.

At least for civvies i'd guess it would be enough

[coarse laurel]

I see so many folks packing stuff they don’t even know how to use or stuff that are totally unnecessary

[compact dagger]

Yea I remember you talking about being medic in the military

can't tell, whats that little bottle ?

[coarse laurel]

I don’t recognize the language

Hard to tell from the angle

[compact dagger]

Seems to be turkish

at least the sterile gauze is made in turkey

also idk what the little scissor looking thing is under the shears

looksa like it could be either a clamp or maybe tweezers ?

[tall ice]

anyone know what Kollontay helmet name is?

[compact dagger]

If you mean one from tarkov the wiki page says its PSh-97 riot helmet

[formal hemlock]

the pvs 31s go hard lmao

[stable stream]

The CharmiNV-286

[stable stream]

This is the only thing I can find in it. It’s Turkish, Mersisol Contains 2% Merbromin.

“Merbromin is an organomercuric disodium salt compound used as a topical antiseptic for minor cuts and scrapes and as a biological dye. Readily available in most countries, it is no longer sold in Switzerland, Brazil, France, Iran, Germany, Denmark, or the United States due to its mercury content.” Per google search (wiki)

[gritty bay]

there is no catheter, found the syringe inside the meds idk

[gritty bay]

antiseptic

didnt know it had mercury in it lol

[stable stream]

May want to swap it out 😂😂

[gritty bay]

lol i used it on a guy when i popped his eyebrow

[muted gate]

they still sell mercury anticeptic?

the fuck

[gritty bay]

they dont

as i said i found it in the med box

its probably still sold here

and its not that toxic but using mercury is not a good idea

[night mural]

He’s got built in protection

[formal skiff]

I need new trousers for shooting, does anyone know a good brand or a pair on Amazon ?

[marsh flint]

Crye Precision G4

[hardy scroll]

Nikita, please, I need this tactical Realism

[snow scarab]

upgraded versions and different types

[snow scarab]

surplus g3s or ACs

[coarse laurel]

Sneak peak of my medic stuff

[snow scarab]

@coarse laurel we got told we can wear personal shit as long as it’s got an NSN

medium Crye SPC in multicam has an NSN lol

[coarse laurel]

Welp as long as they bless off on it

Im doing 2 RSLC cycles back to back lmao

[snow scarab]

only thing that sucks is i didn’t keep the NSN on my fuckin helmet

[coarse laurel]

All this walking sucks

[snow scarab]

lol

[outer leaf]

Where’s the IO drill at 👀

[coarse laurel]

It’s in my external pouch

I never really have to IO here at ranger school thankfully

I have a FAST 1 and the drill

[outer leaf]

Yeah if you had to IO there something has gone terribly wrong

[coarse laurel]

Yup

[outer leaf]

Have you seen the video of the ER doc IO’ing himself

[coarse laurel]

I’ve seen folks do it to themselves all the time but im not that dumb

The flush is the most painful part

[outer leaf]

To “prove it doesn’t hurt” after giving local lidocaine like bro if I’m giving someone an IO their aint no time for lido

[coarse laurel]

Lido usually takes 10-20 mins to full set in depending on the person

I’ve seen people that are totally immune to it

[outer leaf]

I have yet to see that

[coarse laurel]

When I do toe nail removals I encounter motherfuckers who can take a whole bottle

I do nerve blocks

I use sensorcaine as an alternative which lasts longer but it takes longer to set in

[outer leaf]

Bupivicaine is good too

[coarse laurel]

Sensorcaine is bupivacaine

[outer leaf]

You right 😂😂😂 I always do generics unless I cant pronounce something levitraceram will always be Keppra to me

[coarse laurel]

Lol I fucking hate pharmacology

[outer leaf]

Real

[coarse laurel]

I always have cheat sheets with me especially when I’m pushing narcotics

Im not memorizing that shit im writing it down

[outer leaf]

That’s honestly smart all yall using succ, ket, and fent for RSI?

And propofol

[coarse laurel]

Other than ranger, I work at the airborne school some weeks and RSLC, airborne is where I see the trauma like tibfib fractures and hip stuff

There’s always a couple during a jump week

Lol all I do is stabilize, narc then air evac im not sitting on that guy

[outer leaf]

What are yall using for pain management there these days?

[coarse laurel]

Mostly ketamine

And nubain

The issue is everytime I use K I have to write a sworn statement

[outer leaf]

Yeah fuck that

Just be a little heavier handed than the 0.1mg/kg and send them down the K hole 😂😂

Jk jk

Do they make yall witness waste or no?

[coarse laurel]

No

[outer leaf]

Jesus then how do they track diversion

Sounds like a fucking nightmare 😂

[coarse laurel]

This place is a nightmare

Lol

[outer leaf]

Valid

[coarse laurel]

Medically

[outer leaf]

Honestly leaving practicing and become a third party vendor was the best thing ever

[coarse laurel]

Almost had to cric someone last summer thankfully we never had to, dude was drowning in his own fluids, he was having an allergic reaction on a hot day so it’s a combo of anaphylaxis and hyperthermia, dude clocked at 111.4 degrees his insides was cooked

[outer leaf]

Jesus Christ

[coarse laurel]

His heart stopped during Evac but got restarted

The worst part is this was during ranger school land nav

[outer leaf]

Do you have the infrastructure for a code cool? I know it’s hard to have cooled fluids in the field

[coarse laurel]

He was a quarter of a mile from the tree line

[outer leaf]

Oh nvm it was in the field

What was he having a reaction to?

[coarse laurel]

That litter carry sucked

Some weird vegetation in the course

[outer leaf]

So what you hit him with EPI, IM diphenhydramine, and solumedrol?

[coarse laurel]

I never got the full answer, all we did was Evac him and they flew him to our onbase hospital then transferred to some hospital in Birmingham AL

Epi

[outer leaf]

Is that a medical DQ at that point? Like honorable discharge?

[coarse laurel]

He’s done at that point

He was comatose for a week

[outer leaf]

Kinda figured

Hopefully he made a full recovery

[coarse laurel]

He’s never gonna army again

That’s for sure

[outer leaf]

Yeah

[coarse laurel]

But yeah I’m kinda sick of being a medic especially a ranger medic lol

Too much studying, too much responsibility, too much stress

[outer leaf]

What’s the next move then ?

[coarse laurel]

Maybe EOD lol

At least if I go wrong there it’s not my problem anymore

Lol

[outer leaf]

That’s more stress lmao

[coarse laurel]

Lol I just hate being responsible for other people medically

People kinda glamorized the medic thing in movies and shit but it’s fucking thankless

You don’t exist until you are needed etc

Literally an infantryman with a bigger backpack lol

[marsh flint]

nerds

[proud hazel]

that is nice and clean

[compact dagger]

Our medics are luckier, less stuff to be worried about, since our rules dictate that you are only responsible for stabilising people enough until real medics come over and take the person from you. The only serious thing in our unit happened 2 summers ago when we had some live fire training, girl collapsed from overheating/heatstroke and stress, because our squad lead told her to be assistant for CG carrier

From what I heard her veins were constricted from the stress so it was hard to find them to at least pump liquids in

[marsh flint]

MEDIC!!!!

[muted gate]

LAAKINTAMIES

[marsh flint]

Haha

[naive maple]

https://savox.com/communication-devices/headsets/hearing-protection-headsets/savox-noise-com-200

has anyone tried these

ive never heard of them bnefore today

@marsh flint apparently this is a finnish company, have you used these?

[stable stream]

I guessing this falls under the IRL gear chat, Lockheed Martin is at the facility I work in and they brought a black hawk gunner simulator and a Blackhawk flight sim. I jokingly asked the guys if they’d let me play around on it and they said it’s a good chance. Just may be the best day at work EVER

[marsh flint]

No, sadly 😦 but I surely would like to try

Btw. Actually it was the first time I ever used Sordin Supreme X last weekend. They are alright, feel good on your head and the sound is clear.

But. When I put on double ear pro since t3xs had quite a blast with their compensators next to me and it felt like somebody gave me a smack to the muff

I couldnt hear shit even though the vol was maxxed. Also the battery change was unbelieveably badly designed

So I relied on my sport tacs which are very good even with double pro

[naive maple]

these look like sordin clones tbh

visually at least

and they have ear plug mode

thats a must for me

[compact dagger]

Never had a proper reason to use earplugs mode

I guess thats mostly for AT and Arty ?

When we use AT most of guys just ignore the earplug requirements

[naive maple]

to double up on ear pro

[marsh flint]

Cool!

[marsh flint]

Same, same.

[naive maple]

it looks like i will end up buying them unless someone else can undercut the offer

i have to buy the cheapest offer

and these are less expensive than peltors

[marsh flint]

As I told ya I tried single ear pro first time in a long time and after 5 rounds of .308 I was like NOW IM GETTING THE PLUGS

[naive maple]

i dont notice it acutely like that but i notice by hearing getting slightly worse very gradually

so i have to be better about doubling up

[marsh flint]

I don't have anything like that I just feel a lot comfier and can concentrate better

Just feels right

The concussion effect also plays a role with those brakes

However it may be that my hearing will get worse since my dad and granddad have it like that

50% change roughly

By age

[naive maple]

i also notice tinnitus creeping in

[marsh flint]

Damn

[compact dagger]

Well what would be the use for doubling up ? Unless, as mentioned, for Arty/AT

[naive maple]

to protect hearing

ear muffs alone are not enough

ear muffs alone are only good enough if you're shooting a handgun outside

handgun at indoor range, or rifle anywhere, means doubling up

otherwise you're gradually inducing hearing loss

[marsh flint]

Yeah I even feel a bit bad I was "testing" single pro

Yea it prevents an instant damage but is not good in the long run

[naive maple]

new norwegian pattern starting to trickle out, a few items now being issued in the new pattern like gear bags

looks sick

[marsh flint]

It was outside at least

That is heavily autumn and early spring based

Nice camo anyway

I like Coyote so that's like a woodland coyote

[compact dagger]

Well i had very light tinnitus, or something resembling that before joining up

And for almost 2 i've been shooting with just shitty foam earplugs

until i just bought my own earpro

others have been doing that with just plugs for years

At least they issued almost everyone some good headsets now

[restive stratus]

Do any of you guys have "get home" bags? I'm looking to throw one together for my car

I want it to be practical and not an excuse to just buy shit

[naive maple]

no i don't care enough about surviving

but it's a good idea

a good start is a half decent first aid kit for the car

i do have that

everyone should have that in the car

[cobalt bramble]

Agreed

Even folks that aren’t into the guns and gear shit should have a good first aid kit

[restive stratus]

I have a very basic one already. I'd need to add a few things to it if I wanted to cover all the bases

one of the major things for me to consider is that I commute an hour away regularly to an "urban" environment with a lot of people

so if I can't get home by car I have some walking to do

[marsh flint]

You mean a body bag?

[restive stratus]

would probably be cheaper than a get home bag

[marsh flint]

BYOB

Bring your own Bag

[restive stratus]

I'll add it to the get home bag

I'll put my address and a shipping label on it

[marsh flint]

Haha

[snow scarab]

y’all got some sexy patterns

that Norwegian desert hits the best tho

hoping norarm makes shit in it

[naive maple]

nah norarm got nuked by the defense logistics agency

they tried launching a clone of the new pattern

they got turbofucked legally and are now under NDA

[snow scarab]

no, they were going to just use the pattern

[naive maple]

yeah but now they're fucked

so it's not happening

[snow scarab]

but from what they’ve told me they are working to make pants and tops for the government possibly

[naive maple]

nope

[snow scarab]

still in the works

[naive maple]

not a chance

https://www-forsvaretsforum-no.translate.goog/fma-forsvaret-forsvarsindustri/fma-stoppet-kamuflasje-tekstiler-matte-brennes-i-pakistan/363597?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[snow scarab]

they could still do norwegian desert lol

they released the norwegian woodland

[naive maple]

maybe the old one

i thought you meant the new one

[snow scarab]

nah i mean this one

[naive maple]

new camo has 3 colorways

yeah thats the old one

[snow scarab]

but milan and them are all pretty dope

[naive maple]

they're good at marketing, i'll give them that

but i don't care about products made in asia

[snow scarab]

had multiple conversations with them

[naive maple]

if they moved production to europe i'd cheer for them

[snow scarab]

pakistan is an ok place to be produced

[naive maple]

kek

no

very much not so

[snow scarab]

they have actual labor laws

[naive maple]

an islamofascist hellstate that is closely aligned with china

[snow scarab]

the middle east and asia isn’t all the same lol

[naive maple]

the very worst

[snow scarab]

how is it a hellstate?

[naive maple]

a broken dictatorship with no real rule of law

jihadists and hardline sunni clerics run wild

women are attacked with acid, raped, with no legal recourse

[snow scarab]

uhhh you aren’t thinking of pakistan lol. they have an actual prime minister and president

[naive maple]

yeah, so does north korea. all that is needed to convince you is a nice title and a suit?

[snow scarab]

no, the fact they hold actual elections and the incumbent doesn’t always win is enough to show me that

[naive maple]

you should probably read some other sources on pakistan than listening to your favorite instagram influencer gas up his low cost production country

[snow scarab]

how about an american-pakistani citizen who is a good friend of mine? or the fact that pakistan is a close ally to the united states lol

their government is remarkably similar to how the united states works

once again, i don’t think you are thinking of pakistan right, and if you are you are thinking of it pre 70s

[naive maple]

pakistanis are incredibly nationalistic, of course he's going to give you the sunshine story

it's one of the worst shitholes in the world

and an incredibly unreliable "american ally"

[snow scarab]

lol

[naive maple]

pakistan runs its nukes around in random deliveroo trucks because they're afraid of the US finally taking charge of their irresponsibly mismanaged arsenal https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/12/the-ally-from-hell/308730/

pakistan is a major chinese ally https://www.cfr.org/article/how-china-and-pakistan-forged-close-ties

pakistan is a nightmarish hellhole for women https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/acid-attacks-pakistans-worst-social-epidemic

[snow scarab]

most countries outside of NATO are hell holes for women

[naive maple]

pakistan ranks at the very top of those shitholes

[snow scarab]

then what are your thoughts on kuwait lol

[naive maple]

along with luminaries like afghanistan, saudi arabia, and the UAE

[naive maple]

a shithole, but not quite as big a shithole as pakistan is

[snow scarab]

lol

the only decent country in the middle east

and it’s a shithole

[naive maple]

it really isn't

[snow scarab]

gotcha

[naive maple]

the only contenders for decent countries in the middle east are oman, and theoretically jordan (but it's too poor)

[marsh flint]

It's what happens when arabs get a shit loads of money when some fool thinks oil is precious

Oops. Norway

[ashen edge]

Isn’t Oman an religious absolute monarchy

[naive maple]

it is an absolute monarchy and it is muslim but it is one of the less awful muslim absolute monarchies

in the arab world, you have different standards for what constitutes a shithole

[ashen edge]

It has the same lower class structure as North Korea💀

Forced labor camps my boy

[naive maple]

there are no countries in the middle east that aren't dictatorial

[ashen edge]

At least in Afghanistan a farmer owns you not your government

[naive maple]

unless you count israel

or you consider iraq a functioning democracy (lol)

[ashen edge]

no like even compared to Iraq it’s considered bad

It’s considered a middle Eastern North Korea

I’d rather be poor and let loose(relatively) in central Africa than a literal slave in a slave state in Oman

[timber fog]

They aren’t even part of the Middle East

They’re part of South Asia

Mb I took that out of context

Thought that was still about Pakistan

[plush topaz]

Ahem

[muted gate]

Cannoli down

down

[low fox]

$400 for this, good deal?

Vest is $260 brand new, those IIIA inserts are like $350, and then the stuff on the vest and the other camo stuff came with it.

[tranquil bloom]

Does it stop NATO green tip?

[empty sorrel]

Velocity makes pretty good armor, I would trust the soft inserts. Not familiar with that model of carrier, but assuming it's at least passable, not a bad price

[tiny meadow]

Valid, just keep your cigarette butts on you

Don’t leave a trail

[muted gate]

How about you don't talk about things that are not allowed with your bang bang sticks or in here

Because that's a drum roll please felony

You cannot smoke marijuana And own firearms

It is a federal law

No you cannot, on the federal background check that you complete it asks if you're an unlawful user of Oregon addicted to a marijuana and a depressant sim in the narcotic drug and then it says afterwards Despite the decriminalization or legalization of marijuana in your state it is totally federal narcotic

I really need to just take a screen cap of that section of the 4473 to be able to just fucking post it for people

That's not how that works at all

the possession and use of a schedule one narcotic in combination with firearms ownership is a big no no

this is a federal thing

Oh you're a native

native law is weird but still don't post pot because it's still a federal crime

My guy either you are an American citizen living on non Tribal land because tribal land has weird laws that mesh very weirdly with federal and state law and local law or you are living on that land.

smoking the Mary Jane or the electric fuckin cabbage I don't know what you want to call it is a violation of federal law

your state can legalize it but there is a thing called the supremacy Clause

this supremacy clause means that federal law overrules state law when they overlap

the federal government still classifies the Devil's lettuce As a schedule one narcotic Meaning the possession of firearms while in possession of the federal schedule 1 NARCOTIC is a no bueno

It doesn't matter if your state legalized it or That they don't arrest people because they need the state to help them with the arrest but it's fucked over bigger people than you

you add fps Russia who got fucking two months in jail and is now a felon because he had a couple of ounces of weed shipped through the post office and they got him for a possession charge and a distribution charge

In combination with his firearms

which he then beat the state charges we didn't beat the federal charges

My guy He had gun charges with it because he was in possession of firearms while also just in possession of pot

he had distribution charges he had possession charges he had possession with a firearm He had distribution with a firearm

it wasn't lbs it was ounces

he had like an ounce of weed and that was it

anyway I'm just trying to be a nice guy and tell you hey buddy you might not want to fucking post that in here because A the mods don't like posting pot Is still a federal crime and B if you ever get arrested for it it might not be a good idea to post about hey I'm having pot with my tac gear

But Fuc k me man I guess just trying to give you some pointers here is out of my league here

try be a nice guy but fu ck me then right

[small pine]

Whats going on

Why Manul cat argues

[low fox]

hell yeah it does

what'd you do?

[small pine]

God forbid a man smokes

In a warzone

[low fox]

Larper as

"game that simulates killing perfectly" my ass, there is fuck all thats realistic about Tarkov's gunfights

[small pine]

The only realistic part about Tarkov is that the guns make sounds when they shoot and the guns can shoot

[low fox]

pretty much

Tarkov is so far from reality and people still think it's even semi realistic

It's just COD warzone with slower gunplay/movement

[small pine]

The new armor seems interesting but realistically for the most part you wouldnt survive a hit let alone a whole mag dump on you because the force will be enough to make your organs into a mush

[low fox]

and accurately modeled guns (excluding the mutant and every suppressor in the game)

[small pine]

Are the suppressors unrealistic?

[low fox]

yeah, none of the suppressor game models have anything internal, its just a nicely decorated tube lol

[small pine]

Oh lol

The sound is definitely so unrealistic

[low fox]

very

[small pine]

It's as if my character has been on loud music sessions since a child for 5 years straight before deploying in Tarkov

[low fox]

definitely lmao

[small pine]

Maybe maybe, I dont own any type of armor so I dont have precise idea

[low fox]

depends on the plate, even taking a single round the plate stops will majorly fuck you up in a fight, might not be life threatening but It'll rattle your shit

[shut escarp]

That's such a wrong statement it's isn't even funny...

[low fox]

How so?

[marsh flint]

Tarkov and Cod have nothing in common

Cod and Quake 3 Arena have more in common

[shut escarp]

If anything DMZ is more Tarkov like but even soo.
Comparing warzone to Tarkov isn't even a comparrison since they aren't even same type.
Warzone is a BR while trakov is an extraction shooter.
To not say anything about weapon modding, ammo, mags and other components that play a much bigger part gameplay loop wise in Tarkov.

I have a wage idea of your playstyle considering "Lvl 59 nolife" but still... Just a wrong statement

[marsh flint]

They removed some modding options since players found it "hard"

In cod.

[silver needle]

I feel like dorms can be a pretty accurate representation some times

A lot of people get stressed out because it's easy to conjest areas like the stairs

[shut escarp]

yeh i'm not familiar with MW23 but i know in MW 2019 and MW22 the modding was here is 5-6 slots for everything

[snow scarab]

no you can’t. it’s united states federal law that you can’t

[stable stream]

Doesn’t the background check ask if we use Mary Jane and if you tick yes your app gets denied immediately?

[snow scarab]

yep. because it’s a federal felony to own/use class 1 narcotics while owning a firearm

it’s automatically stops you from being able to own one now or ever

do i agree with it? no. and most people don’t. but it’s still the federal law

[stable stream]

Yeah that’s what I thought the whole time reading all that nonsense

[forest oar]

Imagine they add another skull mask to Tarkov ( MW2 & MW3 Reference btw )

[tawny bane]

Factory new granit plate

[stable stream]

Got to play with Lockheed Martin’s trailered AVCATT UH-60L flight sim today

[tawny bane]

Damn

This nice

This your personal sim?

[stable stream]

Hell naw I wish though 😂

That’s a multimillion dollar trailer 😂

[snow scarab]

lol is that a fuckin taurus

and a shitty gen 3 IOTV too

yeah

i was issued one at one point

it sucks dick

and us saying it’s illegal doesn’t mean we agree with it lol

yeah no

it’s 3A if it’s got the kevlar

level 5 isn’t even a thing

yep

3A

stops pistols

that’s it

it’s almost like you are the dumbass here 😱

posting that you own a firearm and smoke weed

all someone has to do is find your name and where you live and send it to your local police

[gritty bay]

lose lips sink ships

[snow scarab]

i don’t

personally i think it’s fucking stupid

however

doesn’t mean it’s not a felony

dude

you don’t look tough

i hope you know that lol

threatening police and other people to “come and take it” when you are posting about a felony is stupid

this is the equivalent of posting a picture of the license plate of the car you just stole at gunpoint when it comes to the federal government

and i hope to god you’re not in the army because you could also be dishonorably discharged and thrown into leavenworth

[stable stream]

It’s an M&P Shield 2.0, it’s better but I’m just not a fan of how S&W handguns look

[snow scarab]

why would i do that?

literally right here you made a very shitily concealed threat

not at all what any of us said

we said to stop posting felonies

[stable stream]

Just hit up one of the mods and they’ll take care of it dude. Obviously posting a felony crime is against discord Terms

[snow scarab]

yes. one that incriminates you

you said you smoke weed and you own firearms

that’s a felony

i don’t agree with it, but it’s still a felony

[stable stream]

Doing both at the same time is what makes it a felony it’s the combination not just having one or the other

[snow scarab]

yep

[snow scarab]

no it’s both

[stable stream]

That’s what I said

[snow scarab]

on a 4473 it asks if you have EVER been under the influence of class 1 narcotics such as marijuana

if you tick that box yes, you are barred from owning firearms

and lying on a 4473 is also a felony

no

even if its medicinal

still a felony

still a felony

holy fuck dude

[stable stream]

That’s worse 😂😂😂

Wait my bad didn’t mean to reply to that

That’s an insane felony. Handguns must be FFL’d rifles are fine

Inherited?

[snow scarab]

doesn’t matter. owning firearms goes through to a federal level. marijuana is federally illegal. so even if you live in a state where it is 100% legal, you can still be arrested for owning a firearm while being influenced by class one narcotics

whether it was privately bought or not means jack shit

trust me dude, the law is not on your side here

[stable stream]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has continued to issue warnings that possessing a gun as a marijuana user, either for medical or recreational purposes, is a serious crime.Nov 29, 2023 (google search)

[snow scarab]

and don’t post felonies on discord either

[stable stream]

Yeah that one dude leaked some docs he shouldn’t have an immediately was put in prison. They watch what you post bro

They announced they monitor everything

Both are felony crimes bro

Aight dude, don’t cry in the investigation room when you get caught with both 😂

Some dudes with a badge and a crew cut

[snow scarab]

nobody is wishing it on anybody lmfaooo

[stable stream]

I didn’t wish anything 😂😂😂

[snow scarab]

YOU are the one posting consistently about committing a felony

[stable stream]

Do you see wish there?? You dyslexic??

[snow scarab]

anyways, i’m gonna go show somebody else your stupidity. i’ll be back in a second

and then you confirmed it was marijuana

[stable stream]

I might be having a stroke rn 😂😂

[snow scarab]

really? because someone asked if it was cigarettes and you responded with marijuana

it gives probable cause

[stable stream]

I’m not gonna do shit. I smoke all the time but I will neither confirm nor deny any of possessionable items

[snow scarab]

your mistake was posting your pistol

really hope you aren’t a service member

you literally said it’s marijuana

ahhhh

there we go

he’s gone lol

[stable stream]

Jesus. That was something

[snow scarab]

yeah

[stable stream]

Aight time for a new topic 😂 best bang for the buck lvl3 or 4 plates. Looking for some Ceramics I think but I kinda want AR500 or 650 steel plates for the multi hit capability

[timber fog]

People need to learn why we have the fifth amendment…

Nobody knows how to just shut up anymore

[timber fog]

Ew steel

[stable stream]

Correct!

[stable stream]

Yeah that stuff is heavy AF that’s why I want Ceramic but I’m not sure

[timber fog]

Go ceramic

Steel’s not worth potentially fragging yourself

[stable stream]

Oh it would HAVE to come with spall coating on it if I went steel

I’d rather not take frags to the chin or neck

[timber fog]

Still not worth the risk imo

No spalling is better than needing anti-spalling

[stable stream]

I like the way you think. Now how’s the multi round capability of ceramic?

[snow scarab]

no steel plates

[snow scarab]

pretty good in anything modern

[timber fog]

^

[stable stream]

Ok so same if not better than steel

[snow scarab]

less chance of shrapnel in your throat

[stable stream]

Anyone mess with RMA plates? They’re a real good price but I’d rather not get swiss cheeses by 9mm with “lvl4 Ceramic”

[timber fog]

Counter question: how many times do you plan on getting shot before re-plating? Lol

Most reputable shit’s multihit rated these days but it’s usually pretty rare to actually be hit multiple times like that

[stable stream]

Hopefully never I feel like everyone that owns plates thinks the same way but I’d rather have some kind of bullet stop protection.

[timber fog]

For sure

[stable stream]

But if it came down to it and I did take multiple to the plate, maybe 4 shots depending on placement of those shots. Also depending on if I can move after taking those 😂

If I take 4 then there’s a good chance there’s no way I’d be able to swap a plate without them getting up on me to finish what they started

[timber fog]

I’m gonna link you something that should be helpful and prevent us annoying you asking you a million questions

https://www.apexarmorsolutions.com/post/body-armor-buyers-guide

[stable stream]

Alright. Anything helps

[plush topaz]

Do not get steel plates. Ever.

[timber fog]

@stable stream peep this guide

[timber fog]

Friends don’t let friends get steel plates

[stable stream]

Well I am for a short short time because I do not have anything at all for bullet stop. But I mostly plan to use it for weighted vest runs. Buddy has 2 plates he’s gonna sell me for 120 said screw it but they’re not staying in the rig

Not for long at all

[plush topaz]

You do not need body armour to do weighted runs.

If that's your only use

[stable stream]

Been trying to work out and get my strength and endurance up because I am a lil weak sissy boy 😂

[plush topaz]

If you're just starting to work out weighted runs will injure you.

[stable stream]

It’s gonna be a multi thing I guess, I’ve got a Crye JPC 2.0 but have yet to do anything with it so it’ll be for sizing, getting the rig set up, and getting used to wearing plates because I’d like to eventually be able to do drills wearing my set up and not get exhausted in 15 mins just standing there

[plush topaz]

Excellent

[stable stream]

Yeah I’ve heard that too, maybe weighted runs was the wrong way to put it. More or less going on walks

[plush topaz]

Yes just wearing gear for extended periods is good acclimation training

[stable stream]

Yeah and I’d probably drop to my knees after a half hour of just wearing the gear 😂

My mom is gonna look at me weird when I walk around the house or take the dogs on walks with that thing on 😂😂

This has been some very good info. Can’t thank yall enough. If I have more questions I’ll come back but for now I am on my way home from work now. Thanks again! @plush topaz @timber fog @snow scarab

[plush topaz]

I've been training in my new carrier and helmet the past 2 months getting ready for reserves

If I didn't I'd die as my Carrier and helmet are heavier than my last ones lol

[stable stream]

I’m looking to join the army National Guard as either a 15 tango or a 15 November to work on the UH 60 Blackhawks. I’m still trying to make up my mind.

[plush topaz]

I don't know what that means but it sounds awesome!

[stable stream]

The 15 tangos are the mechanics and the 15 Novembers are the avionics

[plush topaz]

Cool

[ashen edge]

Just know you go through the same basic as the army proper so get ready for that there where some dudes who barely passed tape and suffer a lot in my cycle

[marsh flint]

Even basic drills/ parade marches in the mil are very burdening for fresh conscripts

They wear sneakers for the first weeks

Probably 1-2 months somewhere

Before starting regularly using boots

[stable stream]

I did marching band in high school unfortunately but at least I know to start off with my left foot 😂

[exotic jacinth]

dont join nat guard bro

dont join the military unless u have to

[stable stream]

I come from a military family, my grandpa, my uncles, my in-laws almost everybody has served. I would just like to take part in that family history but unfortunately I was born with a heart defect that I went through open-heart surgery while I was very young to get fixed and I have not had any issues throughout my 23 years post surgery. After talking to a recruiter he said the National Guard is more than likely my only option which is fine by me

[marsh flint]

@stable stream

[stable stream]

That’s from Forrest gunp right? 😂

LMAO GUNP

[marsh flint]

Yeah. Ltn. Dan's forefathers

All served and died in American wars

[stable stream]

Lmao sounds bout right. I’m not sure what my entire family history is but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something like that 😂😂

[snow scarab]

national guard is what i am. one weekend a month, two weeks in the year. (this is a major lie and you will work for weeks sometimes)

[marsh flint]

Haha

[stable stream]

I’m wanting to do what some of the guys do at the flight facility I work at do, they work 5 days a week doing Blackhawk maintenance and stuff. I got to watch them completely tear down and rebuild the heli for about 6 months

[timber fog]

Wiser words have never been spoken

[marsh flint]

Nice

[plush topaz]

Ah don't they fill sandbags and save cats from trees

[snow scarab]

nope

[plush topaz]

[marsh flint]

They do less?

I've been 6 stars wanted in GTA

[echo jay]

😍

[coarse laurel]

Aviation is always good

Go active though

For aviation

And get them creds

[stable stream]

hello boeing, yes ive just retired actually

[coarse laurel]

Ok NG it is

Haha

[stable stream]

xDXD

[coarse laurel]

Im a 68W working at ranger land right now

Trying to do EOD

But I think I’m about to get tapped to recruit pretty soon

[stable stream]

eod sounds like it would be so much fun xD idk how much you actaully get to boom things though

[coarse laurel]

I just like the mission set in general and the vibe

I’m tired of being with these rangers personally

I’ve outgrown that phase

[marsh flint]

Eod sounds Hurt locker

Our eod trainer was a chill dude. One of the chilliest i've seen

[stable stream]

a buddy of mine went chair force and decided AMMO was the right pick for him. boy was he wrong xD

even stated that himself

[marsh flint]

Chair force

We don't afford to have people on chairs

Here

[carmine shale]

[snow scarab]

don’t do unless you really like math

[marsh flint]

1kg = kaboom

2kg = 2x kaboom

[muted gate]

when do you rotate out of ranger land

i remember you said somethign bout that a while back

[coarse laurel]

It’s gonna be a long while

[exotic jacinth]

only those of us in the military know the struggle

[proud hazel]

what tube?

[carmine shale]

nomi 7 pvs14

[proud hazel]

ah yes omni 7 is good tube

[proud hazel]

very fun

[plush topaz]

Nards

[stable stream]

steele industries pvs-14. good or no good

get to pick tubes too soooo... what tubes are good to look at

[plush topaz]

I have photonis echo

Elbit is good too

[stable stream]

i recognize photonis the name from Oneillops. i think they show POV of some coyote hunts with those but dont take my word for it

[naive maple]

i need

[naive maple]

if youre an american L3 remains the best, but elbit and photonis also make good tubes

depends on budget really

[snow scarab]

photonis is doo doo if you’re american

elbit and L3 are top of the game

[carmine shale]

Are they actually?

[snow scarab]

they are gen 2+ and chinese

like it’s not terrible

but you can get better tubes for only a bit more

[naive maple]

photonis is not chinese

you're thinking of NNVT

photonis is a french company and the tubes are made in the netherlands

they are a hell of a lot better than NNVT

[low fox]

Can’t think of anything worse, French and Chinese

[naive maple]

people hear "gen2" and "gen3" and assume gen2 is worse in every way than gen3, but it's specs that matter

gen2 and gen3 only refers to the photocathode material

you can have a gen3 tube with awful specs and a gen2 tube with amazing specs

[snow scarab]

but a gen 2 tube will be noticeably worse than a gen 3 tube when it comes to graininess

pretty much any gen 3 tube beats out any gen 2 tube

[naive maple]

no, that depends on the given tube's SNR

[naive maple]

entirely wrong, you get an older gen3 and it gets the shit beat out of it by a newer photonis echo or 4g

[snow scarab]

ok bud

[naive maple]

"ok"

[snow scarab]

really shows you haven’t used much night vision

[naive maple]

that's true, but you're talking way too generally about it either way

[plush topaz]

What lol

[snow scarab]

most of photonis tubes are gen 2

and their gen 3s are very low end

they are the cheapest tubes besides nnvt in the states

[plush topaz]

You said they're Chinese

[snow scarab]

i misremembered

i was thinking of nnvt

[plush topaz]

[snow scarab]

but yeah, photonis is pretty shit when compared to even low end elbit tubes

[plush topaz]

Lol ok

[naive maple]

photonis doesn't make gen3 tubes at all

but yeah you didn't even know where the company was from or were they were made

now you're suddenly the expert on gen2?

[snow scarab]

i’ve looked through quite a few photonis tubes and will pick a random mil-spec 14 over them any day of the week

[snow scarab]

i mean, it’s true

elbit is the second best manufacturer of tubes in the country

[gritty bay]

is this too many pouches

[silver needle]

For a belt?

Yeah

Remove anything unnecessary, shitcan the rest of the bulk onto your rig

Fill up the left side before the right to allow full range of movement for your sidearm

[gritty bay]

no this is a rig

i dont use a belt

it feels so heavy tho

cant wear this shit for like 30 minutes without getting back pain

and this is supposed to be a slick carrier lol

[echo jay]

Do you even have plates in there

[gritty bay]

yeah 3s

which i got for like 30 bucks a pair

the alternative is nothing so this is better

https://twitter.com/SWEFINUA/status/1568210177140080643

🇸🇪🇫🇮🇺🇦 (@SWEFINUA) on X

🚫 WARNING 🚫 DO NOT USE/BUY THESE PLATES 🚫
There's someone in Kyiv claiming to work with the UN who is selling these turkish kevlar plates. They are not safe. We got casualties where the vest was fully penetrated by 5.45 ammunition. PLEASE RETWEET!

Twitter · Sep 9, 2022, 12:10 PM

lmao these ones but mine says level 3

shit ass handmade turkish plates

just stacked kevlar with epoxy

doubt it can even stop .44mag

[timber fog]

Scary

[gritty bay]

what 30 bucks plates does to a mf

[quasi chasm]

I mean, they're Turkish... so...

[gritty bay]

turkish mil spec gear is some of the best, but this is something else

im gonna test it

[quasi chasm]

You've got a 5.45?

[gritty bay]

no

shotgun

and explosives

shrapnel test on one, slug test on one

[snow scarab]

no it isn’t. turkish gear is pretty well known to be shite just like their weapons

[quasi chasm]

Not even a Turkish Mauser?

[gritty bay]

no they got confiscated per nato orders

[empty sorrel]

Get better plates

[gritty bay]

give me money

[empty sorrel]

Not 10 lb steel plates (or 8 lb ceramics)

[tawny bane]

[empty sorrel]

Get a job

[tawny bane]

[tawny bane]

How much for pair?

[tawny bane]

Of good plates

[gritty bay]

idk like

150

[tawny bane]

For pair?

[empty sorrel]

Depends on what you want them to stop

[gritty bay]

yuh

[tawny bane]

One my plate costs 196

[empty sorrel]

If you're good with just common threats, like m855, m80, m193, about $1,000 will get you really nice lightweight plates

[tawny bane]

[gritty bay]

my friend has heavy level 4s

[empty sorrel]

If you want full level for protection though, against armor piercing threats, you're going to be looking at heavier plates, and probably a bit more expensive

[gritty bay]

he got for like 100 per one

[empty sorrel]

You can always get cheap level 4 plates, but then you're barely lighter than steel, usually about 8 lb a piece

[empty sorrel]

They're probably Chinese then. I wouldn't trust it

[gritty bay]

not chinese

[empty sorrel]

Used?

If you don't remember what brand they are, I can't confirm or deny that they are Chinese

[gritty bay]

a guy makes it from ceramic powder, resin and kevlar

and it really works well

[empty sorrel]

So some guys making them in his garage?

[gritty bay]

yeah basically

[empty sorrel]

You wouldn't catch me wearing them

[tawny bane]

I bought a factory new granit like a 2 days ago

[gritty bay]

not gonna pay 1000 for a plate huh

[gritty bay]

how much

[empty sorrel]

The amount of pressure you need to properly bind the polyethylene backer, let alone sinter ceramics

You're not going to do it in a garage

[tawny bane]

200$ +- for one

[empty sorrel]

I've seen a lot of fakes going around for the Russian plates, I would cut a corner or something and to make sure you can see the distinct red ceramic

[empty sorrel]

You can get actual certified plates from reputable manufacturers for 200 a piece

Granted they'll still wave 8 lb, but better than some alternatives

Is it a 5A or 6 plate?

I highly doubt you got a 6A for 200

[gritty bay]

a guy was selling collossus for like 1000 idk

[tawny bane]

This is real granit, from techincom, they sell it to civil people

[empty sorrel]

I got a set of Colossus plates for 800 actually

A bit on the heavier side for lightweight plates, but you get advanced threat protection

[tawny bane]

This is chinese trash, a lot of guys buy it draw a logo and resale it

[empty sorrel]

I'm not really an expert on Eastern plates, only Western

[tawny bane]

We have 2 manufactures who make it nice

[empty sorrel]

So I'll be steering away from them, has to not get a fake

*as

[tawny bane]

I know only hoplite in western plates

[empty sorrel]

Hop light doesn't actually make the plates themselves, they are made by LTC

Overall pretty quality stuff from them though

[tawny bane]

many people say that our plates are garbage, but in order to receive a certificate, the plate must withstand several shots of the 7.62x54 B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullet and not give a strong rear impact

But our plates is realy heavy

Thats fact

[empty sorrel]

Russian standards for plates are quite strict yes

I haven't seen many saying the plates aren't good. Just saying that not everyone gets them

[torpid cargo]

I would stay away from Steele, tbh

[snow scarab]

mine cost 600 a piece if you’re a government agency or 1500 a piece to civilians 😂

@empty sorrel fun thing i found out about the LTC ESAPI contract plates they sell to civilians

[empty sorrel]

Neat

[empty sorrel]

Also why the fuck are you in here

[snow scarab]

i’ve been in here

this is how we met mf

[empty sorrel]

I forgor

[plush topaz]

It isn't. Photonis makes great tubes.

[snow scarab]

for canada maybe

[plush topaz]

Just because something might be better doesn't make something less good shit. Don't be so black and white. It's juvenile lol

[snow scarab]

they are pretty well known as the budget brand in the states

then elbit, then L3

[plush topaz]

And internationally known as an outstanding tube manufacturer

[snow scarab]

elbit and L3 hold the most contracts

[plush topaz]

So it's a solid recommendation regardless

[plush topaz]

Yes. Move some to belt.

[snow scarab]

not in the states. elbit tubes are not that much more expensive but are huge jumps in quality

i would think you would support elbit lol

[plush topaz]

Who said I didn't. And FYI elbit in America isn't Israeli

[snow scarab]

not anymore, but elbit israel made a lot of tubes for the US military before opening its american branch

[stable stream]

I would ask the supply guy at the facility I work at to find out but it’s all hand-me-down shite 😂 probably manufactured in 2004

[livid cloak]

peacekeeper from wish

[gritty bay]

i think the left hand side is ok but the right hand side feels so empty when i remove the black pouch

[naive maple]

first you think photonis is chinese, now you think this is what went down?

elbit bought an existing american tube manufacturer

it's an acquired branch, not israeli technology

[tawny bane]

Russian amazon analog 1$ ≈100₽

[gritty bay]

those are pairs?

[tawny bane]

For one

[gritty bay]

also im skeptical about the granit plates

send the link please

[tawny bane]

This is "pasport"

Like a originality indicator

[plush topaz]

Empty isn't a bad thing. But balance is important while also maintaining practicality

[plush topaz]

[gritty bay]

okay i removed the tan pouch

its less crammy now

[blazing glacier]

Girlfriend loadout

[fresh roost]

are the stocks made from slings called tension stocks or sling stocks or something else?

[naive maple]

huh?

do you mean pistol braces?

or do you mean single point slings

[empty sorrel]

How much do the fancier ones go for (gost 6/6a)?

[tawny bane]

military only

they sell gost5+

its like a 6 but for civil

[empty sorrel]

Grey market?

You can get modern Western plates for like $700-1200/set

On tacswap or p2p

[tawny bane]

200$ for one

but they old, and idk how man store they

they have expire date too

its a lottery

Our understanding of a vest is different from the Western one

for example we dont use west without this

we dont use wests without modules

[empty sorrel]

I know that western military plates are very durable and resistant. I would still trust one that sat in a storage container for a decade

I actually have a few that are well over 20 years old

Collectors pieces, they are truly outdated now

[tawny bane]

before conflict you can bought pair of granit plates for 100$ +-