irl-gear

[misty mango]

ops core has the RF1

[misty mesa]

idk i dont like helmets so im less versed in em

[misty mango]

(which is rifle rated)

[ashen edge]

your head lol

[misty mango]

then dont have a take

[ashen edge]

convex to concave

[stuck hazel]

oxide shooting helmets from 5 meters with a 0 degree angle

[misty mesa]

naw i like saying shit

[misty mango]

"it didn't stop my obscure pissing hot 9mm tungsten core at point blank with 0 angle"

"helmet is useless"

[stuck hazel]

"opscore isnt good guys quick take to twitter to be fucking useless!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuGSsuLmpNQ

this test is bullshit

[ashen edge]

helmets pass the test wouldnt that signify that the test is worth someting?

[misty mesa]

isnt ops core the golden stadard of helmets?

[misty mango]

the gold standard of lightweight helmets

[ashen edge]

same way gucci is for belts

[misty mango]

and design

[stuck hazel]

@misty mango love how he refers to opscore helmets as being NIJ rated lol

[misty mango]

but as with all
compromises exist

[stuck hazel]

what an amature

[misty mango]

ops core stop frag

as designed

[misty mesa]

im confused is the opscore fast rifle rated or not

[stuck hazel]

define rifle rated

[misty mesa]

m855

at least

[stuck hazel]

they are extremely capable helmets and have saved people from rifle rounds pretty damn often

[misty mesa]

any non fmj 5.56 round

[stuck hazel]

but you wont take an M855 with a 0 degree angle sub 150 meters

if not more

[misty mango]

the RF1 is

[stuck hazel]

m855 is fmj

[misty mesa]

is it? thought is was somthing else

[ashen edge]

i want a source on this i dont think this is accurate most "x helmet protected me from rifle" is anecdotal at best

[stuck hazel]

@low fox if youre awake can you give another opscore lecture please this hurts my head

[misty mango]

no helmets are explicitly rifle rated unless made to be or it has ab add on plate like the velsys slaap

[stuck hazel]

hence why ive just rang ilose

[misty mesa]

well their is that autismo german hlmet

[misty mango]

the rifle rated ones are unnecessary, expensive and heavy

[misty mesa]

but thats an exception not a rule

[ashen edge]

ACH's have stopped rifle rounds on video but i wouldnt say they are rifle rated

[stuck hazel]

again, because of range and EK drop, its not a hard concept

[misty mango]

8lbs for 3a equivalent protection

[stuck hazel]

rifle rated helmets are stupid

[misty mesa]

like i said i would rather have a boonie unless i wanted nvg mounts or integrated comms

[misty mango]

yeah

as would most

and you should unless youre facing fragmentation

[stuck hazel]

if you are in an enviroment where you are in threat of fragmentation and/or pistol calibre rounds helmets are nye essential

[misty mango]

helmets rn are as light as they can be without sacrificing fragmentation and grazing shot protection

[ashen edge]

im not disputing this im just sayin that "x helmet stopped a rifle round a couple of times" is not a special thing

[misty mango]

iirc the newest ops cores are jumpable aswell

even the steel boyes in previous wars have had cases of rounds getting stopped ir deflected

[misty mesa]

or the altyn which doesnt do shit and is like 8lbs

[misty mango]

altyn when it can barely stop 9x18

[ashen edge]

either way i dont think a 3k helmet with a nice name and big sponsors is worth much

[ashen edge]

thats the glass

the helmet can stop normal handgun rounds, still shit though

[misty mesa]

was gonna say

its not even close to usable

[misty mango]

live with an ECH then live with an ops core with all the bells and whistles
for about the same weight you get far more capabilities

or if you're a civ

buy a bump

and dont buy retail like a tаrd

[misty mesa]

bump is too far larp for me

[misty mango]

bruh

[ashen edge]

me when my helmet looks cool, fucntions as a helmet and costs the same as a used car

[misty mesa]

just get a strap nvg mount or peltors

[misty mango]

if youre buying gear its larp

[misty mango]

strap nvg mounts are shit

[misty mesa]

not true for hunting or work reasons

[misty mango]

my source - used one

[stuck hazel]

lets say X helmet is the fast MT. said helmet has stopped rifle rounds in close quater siutations more than any helmet out there most likely, even with its limited use. this is annecdotal, sure, but there are tests that demonstrate this out there. These helmets are capable of bouncing these larger calibre bullets given the right circumstances, but these certain bullets also cause unaacceptable BFD under different circumstances. They (opscore helmets) do their job overall better than any other helmet out there and people swear by them for a reason. If you NEED a helmet then buy an opscore. simple.

[misty mesa]

me when i store cigs and extra rounds in my funni fishing hat

and its like 50 bucks

[misty mango]

youre missing the point bandit

[ashen edge]

can you send me the vid, im interested, sofar ive just seen opscore as helmet gucci

[ashen edge]

what features does it offer over a normal not 3k helmet

[stuck hazel]

two minutes homie

[misty mesa]

at least the batskin isnt in this convo

[ashen edge]

understandable

[misty mango]

1k for a maritime is nothing compared to NVG, integrated comms and other on board systems

which are all mountable

[ashen edge]

oes it come with these systems?

[misty mango]

no

[misty mesa]

tf would you get a 1k nvg

[misty mango]

[misty mesa]

afgan russian

[misty mango]

what

[misty mesa]

maybe i miss read that comment

[misty mango]

im talking about 1k most for a "new" OC maritime helmet

[misty mesa]

ah ok

thought you ment plus the nvg and stuff

[ashen edge]

so what you are saying is that i can attach normal helmet shit to it? like any high cut with arc rails and a NVG mount

send a pic of the shit you can attach

rigth now i dont get why that is special

[misty mango]

guess what
all other helmets that are light, have integrated mounting systems and are high cut
are 1k plus

[ashen edge]

PE high cuts can be had for 700

or less now

[misty mesa]

what are yalls thoughts on the brit veritas batskin helmet

[misty mango]

what brand

[misty mango]

its neat looking but mid

weighs fucking nothing though

[misty mesa]

mandibles make me cringe

[misty mango]

the mandibles are vic crew issued

not regular units

[ashen edge]

does it matter? if its NIJ cert it still serves its funtion

[misty mango]

crazy right

[misty mango]

helmets aren't NIJ cert

any that say they are
are lying

the only way i can say this easily is
if you had to live in the field for a week
would you rather run the IOTV and ECH combo with all the other issued shit

or gucci lightweight stuff

with extra bells and whistles for added comfort and usability

[ashen edge]

ive litterally seen steel PASGTs that pass a .44 hit so they can be

[misty mango]

spam filter kicking my ass rn

[ashen edge]

they can be NIJ cert it just doesnt tell the whole story

[misty mango]

and ive seen an ACH stop a 7.62x39

doesn't make it NIJ 3+

or fucking
whatever it is that stops x39 steel core

exemptions and shit happens

[stuck hazel]

NIJ doesnt cover helmets. simple.

[low fox]

people forget that the first and foremost job of helmets is protection from shrapnel

[misty mango]

if its not recreatable consistently it cant be listed

[misty mango]

this

[ashen edge]

this was litterally 4 .44 shots to the front brow of a steel m88 pattern helmet

[low fox]

i only insist to get a 2014 6b47 over newer generation ones because i want more value in terms of the aramid layer

[ashen edge]

still gonna cave lol

[misty mango]

one thing i dislike about most balistic tests on helmets is theyre often stripped bare and sat on a desk

the padding and a solid object inside of it will provide far better results

[low fox]

i dont expect it not to

[ashen edge]

a true collector

[low fox]

its a 6b47

[misty mango]

as a civ
just buy a bump

shrimple as

[ashen edge]

i love shit gear, it makes me happy

[misty mango]

if you have the money and need that shit
buy the gucci shit

(it will make your life far nicer)

if you have the money yeah
send it

but then theres the cope of "why spend so much"

also ilose
aren't the newer OC's jumpable?

[low fox]

the entire ratnik kit was my first ever kit

i learned from the mistakes people made before me

then used my knowledge and contacts to get the best stuff for the lowest possible prices

last i know there was around less than 50 third gen 122s in the united states

one in czechia

[ashen edge]

ive been looking to make a 2007 russian marines kit

[misty mango]

best stuff

ratnik

lel

[stuck hazel]

lol

[low fox]

6sh122 third gen is the best of the three

[ashen edge]

i just need to find a 6b71m helmet cover cos mine has a 5.45 hole in it

[low fox]

obr2018 117 has actual IR

pre-2018 stuff doesnt

[misty mango]

still eastern design

[stuck hazel]

ratnik is still shit

[misty mango]

and chronically outdated

[low fox]

i never claimed its better than western shit lol

best was relative to the ratnik programme in particular

[stuck hazel]

shoulda bought ars arma

[ashen edge]

its not outdated its just bad

[low fox]

122 third gen is the best along the three gens lol

[misty mango]

they go hand in hand

[low fox]

i owned a 1st gen

[misty mango]

my condolences

[low fox]

seller didnt even give me the suspenders

[stuck hazel]

lesson learnt

[low fox]

had to make do without them

[stuck hazel]

buy an ars arma AVS

would unironically take an amerson AVS over ratnik

[low fox]

tbh the main issue with ratnik for me is the lack of consistency and ofc the 6b47 being a piece of shit

[misty mango]

only "good" rusku shi is ARS ARMA
purely because theyre copies

[stuck hazel]

exactly

[low fox]

ztms is good but theres like only two of them in existence

[misty mango]

QC being equivalent to a shitty repro company always cracks me up

[stuck hazel]

mid stitching shit IR performance, but they work infinetly better than ruski surplus

[misty mango]

can always get it IR treated

[low fox]

6b45s from 2018 onwards including the new gen ones are made of baltex iirc

[misty mango]

just extra bread

[ashen edge]

how do you tell the gen of russian EMR

[low fox]

if its full emr its newgen (2020 onwards)

[misty mango]

i remember someone comparing the old gen ti the new gen under NV

[low fox]

full emr shit sucks

[misty mango]

jesus Christ

the old gen was a Christmas tree

[low fox]

they glow like fuck

ik

[misty mango]

newer stuff wasnt too bad

[low fox]

my 6b45 was made in 2018

so its actually ir treated

[low fox]

2020 onwards is horrible

[low fox]

2020 6b45

dont buy

its shit

everything from 2020 onwards for ratnik is a steep decline

they cheap out on materials, thin out what they can and make it look horrible too

[ashen edge]

To late lol got it for 230

[low fox]

230????

for a 45???

[misty mango]

only reason if im buying anything russian its pre 2020

[low fox]

did it come with soft armour at least

[misty mango]

quality ate shit

fast

[ashen edge]

Yah, it’s sewn in

[low fox]

god bless u

[ashen edge]

Ask me how I know

[low fox]

every single rusfor impressionist i know despises the newgen 45

and anything newgen in general

vkbo 3.0 also exists now btw

[misty mango]

only acceptable rusfor kits are SOF
(because they use western stuff)

💪

for the most part

(get a good ref)

[ashen edge]

Lol true

[low fox]

its all made in vietnam

[misty mango]

kek

[low fox]

its not officially adopted by mod yet if im not wrong

its over EMRbros

[ashen edge]

Lol

multicam cringe

[low fox]

literally any originality is gone now

everyone gets multicam

[low fox]

russian engineering EOD is also cool imo

[ashen edge]

Just realized this vest has some writing on it

Faded though maybe a name

[misty mango]

as god intended

multiglam baby

[low fox]

on right

gladiator-c iirc

shit fucks imo

hard to find bc mod property = illegal and only issued to some personnel

ive shipped out a number of shit that should be illegal but this is smth i cant get

with time ill hopefully get the contacts in russian customs etc and have my little business expanded

[snow scarab]

that moment when militaries pick a good camo instead of using whatever tf they made in house

the only good original camp rn is multi tarn

[low fox]

but its boorringgg

[misty mango]

purely because its a good camo in a different pattern

[snow scarab]

no it’s also sex appeal

[misty mango]

it does look pretty snazzy though

[low fox]

the poop fart is unreal

@karmic pelican documents I was referring to

I scanned these off the physical copies

[karmic pelican]

man got his paperwork

why sooo much empty lines?

[low fox]

theyre templates

the actual filled out stuff was never given to me

only the templates

its a shame i couldnt read them but at least i can print these out whenever i need to

[karmic pelican]

yandex has a way to traduce images

[ashen edge]

you look like a kid in his dads coat

i dont mean thi is a mean way just that the rig is huge

[low fox]

it is lol

i just recently readjusted all the straps

[ashen edge]

i migth see about picking up a similar style of rig

RN i use a 5 cell chicom bag

[low fox]

6sh117 is a decent rig aisde from the newgen ones

a good lot of space and a number of adjustment points

[ashen edge]

To be clear i use it for airsoft but it is PLA equipment

it’s pretty good for carrying airsoft magazines but with real ones it might be a bit heavy

[misty mango]

belt mount it

[ashen edge]

it has loops i could

[misty mango]

then slap a bungee cord to it

so it can be held to your leg

stops it flapping

[ashen edge]

it sits on the waist

[misty mango]

oh i thought it sat lower

[ashen edge]

i like the fappyness of it cos i can move it around when im in different positions

i might get a TAPS

it wasnt bad

[ashen edge]

gay shark 👀

[plush topaz]

I use chicom harness for my chicom guns

Works great

[muted gate]

I need to get shit off avito lmao, but i cant find a way to process payment

shit is so cheap

[ashen edge]

chi com shit is IRL shitter gear

[plush topaz]

But it's fun

[low fox]

i can handle it for you

just dm if youre interested

do you already have a middleman in russia

[muted gate]

nope, thats my issue

[low fox]

i know two guys

one in ufa and one in sergiev posad

[muted gate]

ill think on it

[low fox]

what are you trying to get specifically?

[muted gate]

nothing big, 20 dollar cassette player

swift sanctions are a bitch or id already have it done

[low fox]

lmfao i was assuming you were going for gear

but yeah not covered by sanctions at all and will easily pass through customs

[muted gate]

no russian gear is ass lmao

The problem with the swist sanctions is there are no payment processors that work for america to russian transfers

Paypal used to, now it doesnt

the only option ive found is by way of china or austria funilly enough, but avito sellers nope out at that point

[low fox]

avito sellers absolutely hate shipping internationally

they dont like it because they easily lose out on money due to the amount for shipping

[muted gate]

its so aids lmao

[low fox]

ik

i had to haggle with avito sellers before

it was funny

[muted gate]

haggling is never an issue for me

its the fact I CANT PAY THEM lol

[low fox]

me af during my first month getting ratnik shit before I started talking to my friends

now they help me out with my export business

[ashen edge]

New garrand thumb video is not good

Bro “tested” a Chinese mask with activated charcoal/carbon only industrial filters with a particulate threat against masks with CBRN filters

[plush topaz]

That sounds based

[pulsar tusk]

Bias

The test should be on the actual mask itself capability to seal not the filter

But its good to see how charcoal filters hold up to stuff i guess

[ashen edge]

Indeed

[stuck hazel]

It’s just content for GT

Bottom line is everyone already knows not to buy Chinese masks

[karmic pelican]

https://youtu.be/cxyJRGxWN0k

50.cal resistant body armor

but the impact still gonna be crazy

[steady agate]

Wouldnt you still pass out from the impact?

At least there wont be a hole in you lol

I would be curious to find the force it measures with a 50 cal impact

[snow scarab]

your innards would be soup

[snow scarab]

all of your organs turn to mush from the pressure

[plush topaz]

Homosapien bollognaise

My favourite. Bone apple tea

[steady agate]

at that point, just give me a quick death lmao

[snow scarab]

pretty much

[plush topaz]

Oh you'd be dead

Dead inside!

[low fox]

am I the only one that visibly cringed waiting for him to pull the trigger

turned my volume down n everything

[ancient sandal]

counter opinion

[low fox]

gib 6b47

[ancient sandal]

nie
Helmet stays

[low fox]

I need

is it actual or a repro

[ashen edge]

can we pettition thsi to be a server emote?

[ancient sandal]

It's as heavy as an actual one but the previous owner painted it so i have to sand it down and re-paint

[low fox]

I assume it’s Markus repro then?

[ancient sandal]

could be, I'm not 100% sure bc it's covered in like brown ish paint under the cover but I plan on buying another regardless

Had this one for 3(?) years

[low fox]

I’m personally looking for a 6b47 from 2014-2016

[ancient sandal]

I wanna find a 6b45 from 2017ish but only one i found was $500+ (no plates) didn't show labels

[low fox]

i have a 6b45 in russia rn

obr2018 green buckle

got it for 80 usd converted

soft armour included

[ancient sandal]

I ordered one but it didnt get through customs

[low fox]

rip

[ancient sandal]

$300
no refund yet

[low fox]

who did you get it from

[muted gate]

the key is to get a middleman

[ancient sandal]

true

[ancient sandal]

random Russian male

he couldn't get it through customs bc it kept getting sent back

[low fox]

he has no pull

he probably got fsb’d

what’s the name of the seller

[ancient sandal]

I found the dude off Facebook through someone else tbh
paid through my friend

[low fox]

you probably got scammed I’ll be fr

[ancient sandal]

prob
but meh I'll live

[muted gate]

see, i just need to get one of these out

https://stereo2go.com/forums/attachments/qh58m0gr0v4gk404gwg4osok84kos0-jpg.14083/

[ashen edge]

my old armor plug got got when his border agent got busted

[full flower]

nah i would want to be a huge thorn in the side of my friends

[smoky pilot]

No airsoft gear here like most of you provide

[snow scarab]

kek. still shit gear

[smoky pilot]

says the one using the most overused plate carrier we have ever seen

not to mention a 1.0

[snow scarab]

this is not a JPC lmfaooo

[smoky pilot]

what is it then

[snow scarab]

SPC

[smoky pilot]

holy shit

so much different

wow

thanks for pointing that out

[low fox]

"not to mention a 1.0" 🤓☝️

[snow scarab]

it is very different lol

pretty much the only similarity is using the AVS mounting system and has the same cut

oh and a skeletal bund but even that’s completely different

[misty mango]

literally running tigerstripe in 2023

as an entire kit

that looks like shit

[smoky pilot]

yeah true

only kit life

[misty mango]

IT DOESNT BLEND IN RAHHHHHHHHH

[smoky pilot]

lol u bein fr

[misty mango]

mhm

[misty mango]

4chan moment

[snow scarab]

tiger stripe is just like M81 and DNC now. used to be super cool and interesting but now is just over used and boring

[smoky pilot]

overused LMFAO

[misty mango]

literally

[smoky pilot]

you act like it was a standard issue camo for the military

[misty mango]

insta hypebeast camo

[smoky pilot]

only the navy uses something similar

[snow scarab]

it’s a hypebeast camo

[smoky pilot]

air force or whoever idk

sure it is

till you blend in the surroundings

[muted gate]

Tigerstripe has a cult following due to shpeshal oper8rs using it for a blip. It is a shit camo for CONTUS and needs to die

Fuck ERDL is more drippy

Also who the fuck runs pure tiger, break up the camo with contrast

[timber fog]

Yeah, full tiger stripe’s pretty… something

To each their own, for sure

Idk, it’s definitely been over-saturated cause of hypebeast larperators but it still has a special place in my heart

[coarse laurel]

Do it

No balls

[ancient grail]

I took it

[muted gate]

cali.....

[steady thistle]

femboy camo

[storm peak]

mp

[ancient grail]

Their humvees are nice

Took 2 of them💯

[muted gate]

the issue too is that its such a shit camo outside of jungle

[worthy heart]

It's also pretty dogshit

Doesn't work in most places

People just like it cause it's cheap

[muted gate]

m81 works in most of CONTUS

[worthy heart]

Not really

The for actually talking about wooded areas. Yeah it works pretty decent for darker wooded areas but once you start getting out to a larger field you stick out like a sore fucking thumb

And if we start talking about they're real luscious wooded areas with some light in it, it fails

[muted gate]

i disagree

m81 is great in most wooded areas, light or dark

[worthy heart]

No

[muted gate]

it only struggles in open lowcut

[worthy heart]

Dude I've literally went out with dudes in this fucking camo

It's painful how easy it is to spot

[muted gate]

dude, so have I

[worthy heart]

It's a cheap hype beast camo that isn't that good and works only in a select few environments

[marsh flint]

btw

estonian digital camo looks nice

[muted gate]

ive got a guy i know who made custom kit for his Estonian digi

dude got pissed no one sold a carrier in it

[marsh flint]

yea I mean that is not a camo I'd wear

but interesting

[timber fog]

You could make this argument about a lot of camos outside of the environments they were designed for

[marsh flint]

yes. And?

for example that santa camo is bad in summer

[timber fog]

It’s besides the point

It’s a cool camo with a cool history

[muted gate]

okay, then dont wear it OUTSIDE THE FUCKING JUNGLE

[timber fog]

Nah

I wear what I want where I want

If you want something practical then get something practical

[timber fog]

Better idea

Why not both?

Nothing has to be black and white

[plush topaz]

I spy Israeli optic in backb

[muted gate]

its lmt

https://jerkingthetrigger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/LMT-Defense-Flip-Up-Sight-Folded.jpg

[plush topaz]

Lmt makes optics?

[muted gate]

oh i read backup optic

[plush topaz]

Because that looks exactly like a meprolight m5 red dot

[muted gate]

that is yeah

[plush topaz]

[muted gate]

i need to get one of those

[plush topaz]

Which

The BUIS or m5?

[muted gate]

M5

[plush topaz]

They're solid

I had a first Gen one and didn't like it. But it's improved since

[coarse laurel]

1-509 out of fort Polk/JRTC uses tiger stripes when playing opfor, as well as a lot of opfor dudes

[low fox]

making a group order for western military district brassards and berets rn 😄

[storm peak]

Does anybody have any experience with the new FalCom OTE2000 headset? Not much info is out there so I'm trying to see if the battery pack is required for headset use

[runic dagger]

TAP I set up and painted last week

[plush topaz]

Looks good

[strange mesa]

goopanchi

[long hinge]

Every masterpeice

Has its cheap knockoff

[valid solar]

Adds +1 ergo

[snow scarab]

eotech with aimpoint magnifier. big chimpin

[long hinge]

I don't leave that on there

I just use it for zeroing.

[snow scarab]

L

[long hinge]

That magnifier stays on this gun

@snow scarab

[snow scarab]

ah, gotcha

the clone of mine

[long hinge]

You wish yours was as cool as mine and @proud hazel

[snow scarab]

i just had a less cool aimpoint

[long hinge]

And a less cool handguard

And a less cool muzzle device

[snow scarab]

debatable

[long hinge]

Not debatable.

[snow scarab]

at least i don’t have a plastic dust cover

[long hinge]

I could beat a man to death with that handguard.

[long hinge]

Bad news for you, everyone is going to polymer dust door assemblies.

especially expensive brands.

Daniel Defense started that years ago.

[long hinge]

[proud hazel]

Agree not as cool as ours @long hinge

[snow scarab]

🫠

[snow scarab]

i do wanna get a different upper. i’m tempted at a 14.5 mid from BCM

but i also really want an m4 type upper with an MRE

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab

[snow scarab]

g$?

[snow scarab]

50 shades of FDE

i’m tempted to sell my aimpoint and buy an eotech, but idk which one

[karmic pelican]

I know armor steel plates are known to tank alot of hits without loosing it's integrity, but is there another material IRL than can do similar feats?

[proud hazel]

Technically many yes

Things like see-through aluminum would do well

Bulletproof glass

Etc

But they all have issues one way or another

[karmic pelican]

see trought alumn??

[proud hazel]

Yea thats whay they use for the windows on the president limo

It stops 50bmg

[karmic pelican]

Also isin't Allum just a ligther but weaker steel armor?

[proud hazel]

Or fish tanks with thousands of gallons

[karmic pelican]

that is some sturdy "glass"

[proud hazel]

Yes but by the time they make it see though

It might as well not be aluminum

Its really cool stuff

[karmic pelican]

Yah, but for more traditional Alumn armor like the ones in tarkov.

Also can I put plates from another brand in a different vest? Say, the armor vest from canarmor with NJA IV steel plates from another brand? Similar size

[proud hazel]

Yup more then likely

Thickness is probably the biggest player

Most plates are pretty similar tho

And dont buy steel armor its dumb

It will kill you

[karmic pelican]

How so? (trauma pad/spall liner is a given add-on)

[proud hazel]

Spall liner does not work, especially after more then 1 hit

Ceramic is better in every way

[karmic pelican]

but it does lose it's integrity after a hit

[proud hazel]

Takes more hit because spall liner is weak point. Better weight etc

[proud hazel]

So does steel, you are better off with ceramic

[karmic pelican]

there's also UMPWE

[proud hazel]

The spalling will cut your throat

[proud hazel]

None of that is certified yet, from my experience i would skip as m855 steel core melts through it

Inch thick uhmwpe

Stopped 9mm

Smoked by m193

Now this is not a composit like the body armor they sell but still

[karmic pelican]

how you'd get a inch thick UMPWE?

[proud hazel]

Work

[ashen edge]

For bare bones PCs maybe but standard fragmentation protection solves this still not as good as ceramic tho

You see a lot of fragmentation protection worn in the war in the East stuff like frag collars and a yoke

A lot of steel plates are being used and issued by all three major parties involved

[proud hazel]

Hell ya give me the heavier plate and add more weight for spall protection

Its dumb end of story

If you are buying a plate for your self get ceramic

[ashen edge]

I agree

I’m at not prohibitively expensive anymore

[proud hazel]

Yup its affordable and comfy

[ashen edge]

High end shit will always be like that but UHWPE plates are reliable enough now as well

[proud hazel]

Thing is steel core shit still melts them

[ashen edge]

They have reasonable resistance to steal core

The melting action is low key how they work

[proud hazel]

Not from what the manufacturers claim

[proud hazel]

Kinda yea, its so dense it just keeps the bullet from moving

But the steel core melts its and pens

[ashen edge]

I’ve been seeing a lot of Chinese manufacturers putting Out cheap amunina ceramic with PE backed plates a lot recently

[proud hazel]

Pe is a grear backer

Uhmwpe is even better

[ashen edge]

From my understanding they work but are just kinda mid

[proud hazel]

As a backer its only stopping fragments

Which its geeat at

[ashen edge]

Not a fan of PE or UHWPE headgear tho

[proud hazel]

Here i shot the ground infront of uhmwpe with m193 and it caught the bullet

[ashen edge]

You can get these plates cheap i Chinese plates for around 130 sometime sand sometimes cheaper

Might get some to test

Nobody I know has AP threats tho

[proud hazel]

When you say ap what do you mean

Like actual ap or m855

[plush topaz]

Ah, @proud hazel with the trick question

[proud hazel]

I am mean arent i

[ashen edge]

The bootleg plate supposedly has 10mm alumina ceramic with a 12mm UHWPE backer with foam behind it

It’s a 11x14

and is 81 dollars I am very tempted

Just for kicks

[proud hazel]

Oh wow, send link

[ashen edge]

Kevlar?

[ashen edge]

Shipping is 44 per plate and it’s a bootleg Ali express plate

just to be clear

Mm head still convex

I don’t get why half the people here care what the weight is all you do is dress up in your home and fantasize about someone breaking in, you dressing up in your kit and killing them

[misty mango]

mfw

[ashen edge]

This is a large PASGT helmet made in 89

It’s 1.6 kilo

It’s a 34 year old helmet

What helmet are you putting it against?

[proud hazel]

Ok link pls

[ashen edge]

Sent it

What is your reference helmet? Is it a 3a minimum low cut?

If this mf pulls out an ops core ima laugh

[snow scarab]

“if this mf pulls out the most advanced helmet on the market imma laugh”

please be quiet

hell, even my large ACH weighs 3.2 lbs

and the IHPS weighs like 2.9 lbs for a large

[ashen edge]

Bro if you are putting a the most modern most expensive helmet of a completely different design on the market against a 34 year old to try and gauge the quality of material you are stupid as fuck

[ashen edge]

What’s ECH weight?

that a PE

[snow scarab]

ECH is 3.2 as well i think

maybe slightly heavier

[proud hazel]

Where?

[ashen edge]

DM

[proud hazel]

I dont have a dm

[ashen edge]

Not a lot of western stuff tbh

Requardless UHWPE helmet stuffer substantial more when high energy projectiles get involved as opposed to Kevlar

And vice versa when it comes to steel core

More than you’d think if you aren’t in military setting

How many people in the US own large caliber pistols

Have you been shot at?

By that same logic you should have a soft armor carrier with plates but if I say that I’m a weirdo

After all the majority of gun related deaths are caused by projectiles that would be stopped by 3a

True

I like combined OTVs to much anyway

[proud hazel]

I hate discord

[ashen edge]

Ive found one from Sioen ballistics I might get

[proud hazel]

Its stupid

They need to just give me an alert

[ashen edge]

This is the one I’ve been looking at

[misty mango]

get a CPC

with the soft inserts

[snow scarab]

CPC would be way higher quality or just buy a gen3/4 IOTV

[ashen edge]

I would but I can’t buy from domestic distributors

Cringe state

[snow scarab]

why not?

surplus stores?

[ashen edge]

Wont ship to NY

[misty mango]

ebay

who buys retail these days

[snow scarab]

ebay lol

[ashen edge]

Most are up charging hard and 11x14s are hard to find

[misty mango]

then get med sapi

isnt 11x14 the same shit the damn
tactec uses

[misty mango]

not when it comes to good shit

ive seen ops core maritimes here going for ~400

secind hand if you find a good deal is gokd

gold*

[snow scarab]

jesus fuck, why do you need an extra large?

[misty mango]

compensating

[snow scarab]

you might need different priorities if you are wearing XL plates

[misty mango]

"extra protection"

[ashen edge]

It’s what I was issued

so I’m going with that

[snow scarab]

measure yourself again

cause i guarantee you don’t need it

otherwise you wouldn’t pass height and weight

[misty mango]

90% of people will fit into the medium category

[ashen edge]

I wear size large reg for uniform top maybe that’s what the went by

I’m 5’10 198 🥲

I was 210 when I joined so maybe that did it

[coarse laurel]

@snow scarab I’m p sure he got Medboarded in basic

[snow scarab]

yeah you need mediums lmfao

[snow scarab]

lol

yeah in basic they don’t give you properly sized plates

[coarse laurel]

Mediums is where it’s at

[snow scarab]

i got given larges

[coarse laurel]

I had someone argue with me while I was giving a class, dude was adamant that leaning into your rifle is good idea these days

[snow scarab]

i mean maybe trying to keep on target when FA

[coarse laurel]

Meanwhile I told him that you just end up presenting your upper thoracic basically the exposed part of your clavicle

[snow scarab]

yeah

[coarse laurel]

I told him to get a fucking riser

If you are concerned about looking into your optic and smashing your cheek into your stock

[snow scarab]

we need higher risen optics

sadly my unit only has acogs tho

[coarse laurel]

Dude legit tried to argue with me

I’m a goddamn medic, a lot of the thoracic gsw’s happen above the plates and it’s usually the hardest one to deal with

[snow scarab]

i might think about it. depends on the price and what i have at the moment

[coarse laurel]

Because people still lean forward

I thought hydras were a meme but I bought a repro one for my airsoft gun and wow I’m sold lol

Now I’m fixing to get the eotech one

[snow scarab]

my main problem is i feel like an acog on a hydra is too high for an acog 😂

[coarse laurel]

Put it on my Noveske replica

It’s so nice

[snow scarab]

i’d have to see if my unit would even allow it lol. i’m hoping i can get swapped to a CCO since i’m a driver. if so i’d definitely grab one for both civ and mil use lol

i could

wait

[ashen edge]

Just measured, y’all are right 10x12s will. Work

[snow scarab]

try to get 9.5x12.5s

SAPI sizing is better

[ashen edge]

Ive mostly seen that sizing tbh

[snow scarab]

most of your higher quality plate carriers and even IOTVs are going to be SAPI sizing

[ashen edge]

When I do the sapi sizing I get large recommendation

Then the sapi sizing chart I was looking at is wrong

The large sapi is considered 9.5x12.5

That makes more sense

What is the consensus on hesco plates here?

I’m looking at some hesco 4400 level 4s rn

[snow scarab]

what. are you looking at hesco?

hesco calls their L210s 10x12s large for some reason

[snow scarab]

large is 10.25x13.25 and medium is 9.5x12.5

or surplus if you can find them for a good price. ask us first before you buy surplus

[ashen edge]

I don’t have any stores around her unfortunately

[ancient grail]

Kong 20th birthday posting

[ashen edge]

https://midwestarmor.com/products/ltc-26135-nij-04-level-iv-multi-curve-plate-set-with-mass-iiia-panels/

These type?

[snow scarab]

yes. no need for soft armor tho. pretty sure those are standalone

[ashen edge]

They are I found the non soft armor version

but it’s only 50 bucks cheaper which is weird

The balcs panels onthe website are also a decent price

[coarse laurel]

I love this song

[snow scarab]

not everybody has that money my guy 😂

[ashen edge]

So for soft armor I would get large and my plates would get sapi mediums

I’d prefer to not have my lungs deflated by a 9 cos I wasn’t perfectly head on with someone

[snow scarab]

dude

medium is fine

i wear medium soft armor

and it covers my entire torso

i’m 6’4 190

[ashen edge]

It’s more the sizing I have a 42 chest which from my understanding would make me a large

[snow scarab]

especially if you are buying BALCS armor

[ashen edge]

I would love to spend less money it’s just from the sizing I’ve seen 42 is large

[ashen edge]

I’m not saying I need large cos it won’t protect me he is just always shitting on soft armor

[snow scarab]

he has worn it much more than either of us dude

he has a reason lol

[ashen edge]

That’s crazy, I still want it

asks reasonable question “don’t buy that I don’t like it” refuses to elaborate and leaves

[timber fog]

I wear a lot of L/XL tees and I’m the same build as you (5’10”, 190lbs). The chests on my tees are 42-44 in. respectively. You’re a medium.

Also am I mistaken or aren’t decent lvl IV ceramics about the same cost as/cheaper than decent soft armor anyways?

[snow scarab]

pretty much

[timber fog]

Thought so, add me to the “no point in getting soft armor” camp too

Sorry bandit

[snow scarab]

@coarse laurel @low fox the marine corps gen iii plate carrier has a carrier inside a carrier system and the bottom is a zipper lol

[misty mango]

bro lives in NY
he literally cant get anything that isnt shitty alibaba imports

unless he gets a middleman

[low fox]

HAPPY BDAYY

[misty mango]

youre only 20????

[snow scarab]

honestly without the carrier inside the carrier system it’s pretty decent

[snow scarab]

i have one for a belt

i got a shit one tho

switching to a BFG ten speed

[stuck hazel]

Yes why

They’re probably just broken in now

As long as you’re mags aren’t flying out you’re fine

[misty mango]

could always take the insert out, heat it up then bend it a little more

extra resistance

i had to do that for my mags
just more flattening because i would have to rip my belt up just to take it out

[ancient grail]

@misty mango yes I'm only 20

[misty mango]

jesus bro

no offence but like
i thought you were older

atleast like 23

[plush topaz]

Pics or it didn't happen

[plush topaz]

Amazing

Too bad it didn't happen

Because...... No pics

Everybody knows the rules

[plush topaz]

Nu?

What are you waiting for

No judgement

[misty mesa]

smersh

[stuck hazel]

nah

[sweet vale]

Wha

I aprove though

[stuck hazel]

L bear larp of all time

[sweet vale]

L?

https://youtube.com/shorts/F2yCop0JBw8?feature=share4
Took inspiration from thus

[stuck hazel]

yeah but it just isnt that is it

bear larp is so cheap and easy

[sweet vale]

I know

[stuck hazel]

how do yall manage to miss so hard every single time

[sweet vale]

But on the other hand....its a PMC

Everything can

[stuck hazel]

so why are you wearing russian army BDUs

[sweet vale]

Bcz it can, look at wagner, thats a PMC and also uses EMR

Plus the camo is sexy

[stuck hazel]

Wagner isnt really a PMC

just an autonomous fighting force

[sweet vale]

Same with bear though

[stuck hazel]

backed by the russian government

[stuck hazel]

not really

[sweet vale]

They do are backed so they can operate in tarkov,

[stuck hazel]

what

[sweet vale]

The BEAR private military company was established by a secret decree of the Russian Federation Government as a countermeasure against illegal activities of the TerraGroup in the Russian territory

[stuck hazel]

but heres the thing

there is a considerable difference between the two

causing one to be put in a position where they are wearing russian army BDUs

All you have to do is buy some Tan 5.11 pants, knee pads and a flannel but you all come dressed as impoverished infantry anyway

[sweet vale]

I just wanted to use emr cuz its sexy 🥲

[stuck hazel]

emr is L

[sweet vale]

What is L

[stuck hazel]

L

loss

shit

how to look poor:

daily EMR slating complete

[sweet vale]

🥲

[stuck hazel]

go buy some multicam.

[sweet vale]

B b b but

My next camo i was gonna buy would be MM-14

[stuck hazel]

reasons to dislike ukraine:
mm-14

[sweet vale]

I mean its what UCP should have been

[misty mango]

and its still shit!!!

[plush topaz]

How not

[stuck hazel]

Because they are.. were tied to the the Russian government

[plush topaz]

Well so was triple canopy, Blackwater, dyncorp...

[stuck hazel]

They didn’t operate autonomously and they didn’t “work for the highest bidder”

[snow scarab]

@random anchor post kit bitch boi

[plush topaz]

I see what you're saying but it's still a separate entity from the Russian MOD

PMC that reports directly to the Kremlin per se

[stuck hazel]

Using black water as an example, they were specialists being paid for their services as opposed to being a badge and a name used for plausible deniability and questionable tactics that couldn’t be executed by traditional forces (Wagner)

Wagner has a very specific application and it’s objectives don’t lie with making money

Hence it’s not really a PMC in the traditional sense

[plush topaz]

What is considered traditional?

[stuck hazel]

Money -> services, no ties to government outside of legal restrictions, no political objectives

[plush topaz]

Eric Prince was heavily tied to the US government.

And it was in his best interests for his company to have government officials on the side of PMCs. More contracts. More freedom.

Nowhere near as dirty as a Russian PMC however

I see what you mean. I'd still call them a PMC. Just not a PMC like what's in America.

[stuck hazel]

What I mean by traditional

[plush topaz]

Haha so the Americans set the standard for tradition eh

[misty mango]

the main example with that is with the unnamed war
they were able to get more lucrative offers in africa and the middle east with far less risk but theyre doing this for gooberment needs

[stuck hazel]

Yes

In that one regard

[stuck hazel]

Gooberment needs

[zinc jay]

Even though the real stuff is magnitudes more expensive than multicam

Not looking like every other "NATO" kit that just basic multicam garbage

ATACS, Berezka leaf, and EMR is where its at

[misty mango]

"basic"

my brother in christ
all th eastern kits also look the same

atleast cloning western shit is solid due to the pure variation of equipment allowed for use

[zinc jay]

I'm not talking about actual kits, I'm talking every kid who goes and buys the same shit from their military surp store looking like clones of each other

[zinc jay]

Thats not even true either though, the amount of variation in kits nowadays is insane, even in regular forces.

[misty mango]

because of them not being able to get all that they need

because the ratnik program is pathetic

so they have to aquire other shit thats cheaper

[frigid moat]

Drip or drown?

[proud hazel]

Drown

[frigid moat]

Fair

[viscid basalt]

Bruh u cant tell me u actually used that helmet for airsoft @frigid moat

Ez bb to the eye

I think its drip tho

[frigid moat]

I just had no eye pro for the pic but I’vr ran my original Maska for the past 3 years

[wild palm]

Can you tell me what the help is this helmet

[snow scarab]

it’s a crye airframe. pretty dog shit tbh

gunfighter cut?

that just a mid cut?

yeah that’s pretty much just a mid

interesting tho

looks like barely enough space to mount comms

[random anchor]

ntshovl i can pull it out tomorrow for you, its buried deep in my closet

i kept my ruck lol

[snow scarab]

uh cool? better not be some surplus ass IOTV or condor 😂

[random anchor]

oh god no

[plush topaz]

Jesus. Could probably fit comms under. Not over lol

Or maybe over then tuck them under the ear

I've seen both ways

[ancient grail]

Real

[misty mango]

he just like me fr

[stuck hazel]

If you’re spending more on EMR than you would on a G3 set then you have mental issues

[stuck hazel]

False information

[zinc jay]

Pre war yes, currently, no

[zinc jay]

azeri revolt drip

[frigid moat]

i did some awful shit in that event

wagner got a little funny

[stuck hazel]

No, that is simply the case

[zinc jay]

ANA combat pants in any pattern, especially EMR, is around the same price

[stuck hazel]

If ANA combats weren’t mid as fuck like all other ruski Crye clones then that would be fair enough

But, they are

If you get them for less than Crye money then they are absolutely fine

But definitely not Crye money

[sweet vale]

on alie express u can get it relatively cheap

But u will habe the risk of quality being shit

[stuck hazel]

Buying clothing from Ali express<

[zinc jay]

That is a terrible idea

[zinc jay]

On that I agree with you

Ali express shit works if you need a piece of kit to have as a placeholder till you buy the real deal, but in general it's a bad idea.

[sweet vale]

Ehh kinda depends

Ive had some good stuff from it

And for russian gear it doesnt really matter

[prisma lintel]

"Best" survival knife? I was thinking a kukri or whatever. I wouldnt mind getting a taiga for the swag, but they are basically impossible to find.

I currently have an m9 bayonet though and it's pretty solid

[sweet vale]

Other then cheap clothing or indeed placeholders i wouldnt reccomend alie

Its a 50/50

BUT i managed to get half my outfit for free

Since they didnt arrive on time

[plush topaz]

I have a kabar Becker. Excellent for splitting wood

[prisma lintel]

@plush topaz yeah, my m9 bayonet can do that if you hammer the spine as well

I also have a shovel multi tool/entrenching tool as well

Also a very small knife for gutting

[plush topaz]

So then you don't need a knife? I don't understand.

[prisma lintel]

True.

@plush topaz I'm kind of an idiot

[plush topaz]

Well you said kukri so you mean to clear bush N shit?

Just use a saw and an axe

No real bushman carries a fucking sword

[fluid plover]

An enemy cannot press a button, if you disable his hand

[prisma lintel]

Yeah, I was considering sharpening a side of my shovel for that since it's kind of designed for it @plush topaz

But I unno.

[plush topaz]

[plush topaz]

Let me Show you my hand saw. You'll love it. Sec

https://www.canadianoutdoorequipment.com/bahco-laplander-saw.html

[prisma lintel]

@plush topaz mine is on my shovel lmao

[plush topaz]

That is so inefficient and not fun to use.

[prisma lintel]

That is dope. Folding saw

[plush topaz]

Ya

[prisma lintel]

I'll show you my shovel when I get home

Also how could it be inefficient? The teeth on it are pretty sharp

[plush topaz]

Have you ever used it?

[prisma lintel]

Ya. Just not on a tree. Just branches

Off a tree

Poor thing

[plush topaz]

And you found it comfortable?

[prisma lintel]

Its a multi tool. It's jack of all trades.

Master of none. But okay with erryrhing else

[plush topaz]

I'm not saying a shovel isn't important. I just don't think it's very good as a saw.

I carry a shovel too. Albeit a full size one in my truck

[prisma lintel]

I have my kit as a shtf type thing.

I just fold it up and put it in a ruck sack

Or on it. Whatever

But yes. The shovel is not something I'd use over a conventional saw

[plush topaz]

Do you have an axe

[prisma lintel]

Hatchet ya

Needs to be sharpened tho

[low fox]

more stuff on the way

slava

depriving the MOD of four more ifaks

[muted gate]

i should do a ratnik kit if i build the kochevnik meme gun

[stuck hazel]

It’s incredibly cool

Do it

[muted gate]

im currently broke

[stuck hazel]

The gun not the kit fuck EMR

[muted gate]

but im gonna build a kochev on a psa 105 and hte airshit kit

[stuck hazel]

the airshit kochevnik kit?

[muted gate]

yeah

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a39f37_5006b8b452d649a3b5add643a3c10755~mv2.jpg/v1/fit/w_500,h_500,q_90/file.jpg

gonna have to figure out trigger linkage

[low fox]

kochev not kosher for ratnik

fail

dumb bot!!

[muted gate]

im not buying ANA tac shit

[low fox]

cryes r kosher bro

[muted gate]

ill prolly rock my funny KGB suit im still in the process of altering

need to find a lvl 3a soft armor thing

[misty mango]

mordor tac cryes

[muted gate]

https://i.redd.it/9jahqsbdozj71.png

make le funny protection detail

[misty mango]

so based

[ancient grail]

I blew the crotch area of mine lol

[muted gate]

ikr

the suit combo is based as fuck

im still figuring out what exactly i want to sew in

issue is the liner material doesnt mend well nor can i find scrap to use

[stuck hazel]

dont care

only way is to use exclusively western shit for ruski larp anyway

any russian fabric item<

[timber fog]

And that’s real shit

They’d rather wear 5.11 than their issued shit

That alone should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of russian gear

[stuck hazel]

this

[muted gate]

@low fox How much are 1p87s and the zt310s going for now?

[marsh flint]

kit

[plush topaz]

That's an awesome breach kit wow

[marsh flint]

I guess it's swedish police

[proven badge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D3EUSZ0JBCE

guns 😉 built.

[misty mango]

you look bent

also wrong channel

[proven badge]

should go in guns?

wym bent lolol

[misty mango]

you should just
not post it anywhere

shrimple as

[proven badge]

lol fair, gimmie some time xd

[muted gate]

Even if it says gear. Its not talking bout the gear you take

[misty mango]

💀

[low fox]

Good luck finding them

nearly a grand for an 87

[muted gate]

bro, i missed a combo on ebay for a grand like 3 months ago

[low fox]

If you can even find one that is lole

[muted gate]

like i sent the offer, he accepted over text

[low fox]

novus will release a 1p87 repro that’s made better than the original soon

[muted gate]

then never accepted

[low fox]

later this year

[muted gate]

ik ive been following

[low fox]

they’re selling it for around 300 range

[muted gate]

i still want an og

[low fox]

I’ll see if I come across any

[muted gate]

im broke anyway atm so meh

Im focusing on getting the 105 TWI bastard thing together, SBRing that, finishing my suit

then focusing on getting a correct optic for it

was just trying to figure out a price range

[marsh flint]

you didnt get the commie outfit yet?

[worthy heart]

I bet if he falls on his back he will be like a turtle trying to get up