irl-gear

[stuck hazel]

Wouldn’t phase me in the slightest

I love london, and I love the unmarked transit vans that you see darting round at 60mph with red and blues

[misty mango]

i hate London

its full of londoners

with funny accents

[cerulean kayak]

and they’re just miserable people cause they live on an island with terrible food and it rains all the time

and they’re european on top of it all

[misty mango]

the worst part tbf

[coarse laurel]

Does NHS cover dental?

If so why y’all teeth so fucked

[plush topaz]

It's the tea

[misty mango]

it doesnt

even if it did
good luck getting an appointment

nnoone wants to fucking work for them anymore

the pay is ass

[pulsar tusk]

@snow scarab what is a good setup for a first rig, any recommendations, on a low budget, under $200 per item preferably, thinking of a duty belt aswell, good or bad in a situation?

And for tourniquets do you recommend a designated holster for them

[stuck hazel]

nah it does

got my braces back in the day via NHS

[misty mango]

huh

never covered my shit

[stuck hazel]

if you went to a private clinic then prolly not

[upbeat jackal]

NHS is like some sort of Public health service or smth?

[stuck hazel]

free health care

wild innit

[upbeat jackal]

"Free"

my ass

[misty mango]

paid with taxes not up front

[upbeat jackal]

Imagine that in Poland you pay cash on that shit
only to get an "Urgent appointment" that will make you wait 3 years with destroyed muscle

[misty mango]

still works out cheaper

[misty mango]

we get to wait for free

[stuck hazel]

its true

all the old people taking up all the space

fuck old people

[misty mango]

just fucking die already old people ffs

[ancient grail]

This is gear

[misty mango]

so true

[upbeat jackal]

kat

[misty mango]

best experience ive ever had with the NHS was on a very oddly dead wednesday

in and out in under 2 hours

for xrays and shit

[upbeat jackal]

its best to donate blood... then you get the golden ticket B)

old people in line?

[stuck hazel]

solid

[upbeat jackal]

nah suck it I can go before ya all

[stuck hazel]

my homie nearly died the other day cause hes got fucked lungs from covid

they didnt even get him a bed

[misty mango]

sounds about right

[stuck hazel]

doing blood tests in the halls

[upbeat jackal]

my bro was sleeping on the hospital corridor on a sleeping bag 💀

[misty mango]

💀

[stuck hazel]

poland

[upbeat jackal]

Polish health care is really terrible

an you still pay for it 🧐🍷

[misty mango]

europe

[stuck hazel]

we dont talk about murica

[upbeat jackal]

and a funny fungus

[stuck hazel]

bros got some intense leg action

[snow scarab]

focus on a rig first imo. if you can save a little bit more and buy this rig, you’ll be set for a while https://www.velsyst.com/collections/chest-rigs/products/uw-chest-rig-gen-iv

it’s an amazing chest rig and gives you everything you need

plus you won’t have to upgrade either

[snow scarab]

not a full holster but just a simple pouch

[pulsar tusk]

I should’ve specified carriers, is there any good ones under $200 or is that unreasonable

[snow scarab]

ah

save a little bit more, buy a JPC or go a little cheaper and get something like a MEPC.

JPC 1.0 i might add

will give you some pouches

[pulsar tusk]

Where should i buy that

[pulsar tusk]

@snow scarab whats the site where i should buy any gear reputably

[snow scarab]

evike ironically is a gtg one off the bat. just look up jpc 1.0 and dm me the link and i’ll tell you if it’s a go or no go

[pulsar tusk]

And whats a place for molle stuff to attach to it

I dont wanna get cheap shit

[snow scarab]

esstac, ferro, blue force gear, spiritus

[cinder stream]

BFG tenspeed triple m4 pouch

[stuck hazel]

mid

[marsh flint]

https://youtube.com/shorts/UBROS309Ktk?feature=share

[misty mango]

nah its based on a 1.0

or stacked on a shingle

basically oldschool TRMP

[stuck hazel]

Yh only way I’d use it on on top of a Molle triple bungee

GT style

[misty mango]

yeah

[stuck hazel]

I like my retention but I can also see the practicality of three pouches that are more easy to access than others around your body

I wouldn’t carry 6 on my chest like that

Maybe 3+1 in the BFG

[misty mango]

the main benefit of the bfg is its not just a mag pouch

can throw all sorts of shit in there

sure it can hold mags but thats only if you need it to

[wind cave]

he managed to find a way to point the rifle directly at his head on sling

[plush topaz]

[sand rover]

Mepc follows a scalable kit concept, so it may work better as well for them

And I'd argue for the money getting a microrig would be cheaper

And again, is scalable once you know what you need

[granite tartan]

They all do

Literally

[sand rover]

not all

but a lot

but my point was that if they're gonna go basic starting out, start with cheaper probably isn't a bad idea

[granite tartan]

Articulate how a mepc is better than a jpc at scalability

[sand rover]

I did not say the jpc was worse than the mepc for scalability

I said not all plate carriers are designed to be scalable

weren't pointin fingers at the jpc

[granite tartan]

Yeah shit my bad

All the not shit ones

[sand rover]

not gonna say carriers that don't scale are shit

but they're certainly for a niche crowd

[granite tartan]

They’re dated

[sand rover]

or, again, for a specific niche

like active shooter response carriers

[sand rover]

there is one factor I'd put in favor of teh mepc looking at the two again

[granite tartan]

What,

[sand rover]

somewhat minor

[granite tartan]

Who is using an active response shooter carrier

[sand rover]

but the mepc has support for gtsr buckles or g hooks base

without adding hardware

very minor, since the jpc can add those I think anyways

but mepc has them setup already

[granite tartan]

Jpc does as well

The Jpc uses a proprietary mounting (AVS) which is better than swift clips

Has less tolerance and play and you button it down to the plate back in case you loose Velcro adhesion

[sand rover]

as long as you don't have to buy into the system

and can still use normal placards

[granite tartan]

You don’t have too

But you should

Makes 0 sense to buy a placard when you buy into crye stuff

[sand rover]

maybe if you're using only one placard

[granite tartan]

I was going to say

If you need to run multiple placards then if

I personally rarely even run my carrier anymore

[sand rover]

good for you

[granite tartan]

Keep everything on the first line now

[sand rover]

belt?

[sand rover]

das a real full belt

[granite tartan]

It’s light

I’m going to pull the ifak off of it

[sand rover]

why

[granite tartan]

I operate in vehicles a lot

Literally sucks farts

I can keep an ifak in my vehicle

[sand rover]

as long as it's still on your person

[snow scarab]

only thing i dislike about the TRMP-C

[granite tartan]

Don’t need it to be

[sand rover]

the point of an ifak is emergency personal medical

[granite tartan]

Yes,

Actually my work belt has no ifak

[sand rover]

put a full med kit in the car

[granite tartan]

And it’s detrimental to have one

[sand rover]

ifak on person

[granite tartan]

For LEO

It makes 0 sense

[sand rover]

it makes all the sense

[granite tartan]

Have one on vehicle

Bröther

[sand rover]

ifak is for emergencies

[granite tartan]

If I’m sitting in a car 10 hrs of the day

And we can’t chase people

[sand rover]

you don't expect an emergency to happen

[granite tartan]

I’m always around the car

If I get shot at

And get knocked down

I’m getting executed

Like the vehicle is a major player

@obsidian wolf y’all run ifaks on y’all’s belts

@sand rover frankly I can’t even think of a department that runs ifaks on belts for patrol guys

[snow scarab]

yes he does last i checked

i could be wrong

also you at least have a TQ on your belt right?

or vest

[granite tartan]

Ofc

I carry a lot

I carry like 2

But I’m bumping it to like 6

Personal kit I run like 4

[sand rover]

as long as you have preparedness in mind I guess

[granite tartan]

You have medical training?

[obsidian wolf]

I do. But that’s a personal preference not a standard

[granite tartan]

You guys have a no chase?

We have a no chase policy

[obsidian wolf]

Nope just had a pursuit

I won

[granite tartan]

Yeah, we have a no chase policy

So if I leave my car shits sideways

But you’re probably a county agency then

[sand rover]

a point towards seperate placards btw is that if you plan smart for it, you can run a lot of placards are rigs sans carrier

[granite tartan]

@obsidian wolf we just had our neighboring county tbone a murder suspect into the dirt

[sand rover]

you knew that already, just pointin it out

[obsidian wolf]

5.5 yards they said was too hard of a shot….

[granite tartan]

You have medical training?

Bro the fuck going on where you at

I thought were I worked sucks

[obsidian wolf]

It’s ok my command staff backed me

[granite tartan]

Jesus

[obsidian wolf]

And that’s what mattered

[granite tartan]

I hope at the end of the day

[sand rover]

gotta be straight, only basics

I'm no emt

[granite tartan]

I don’t have to shoot my gun

[obsidian wolf]

Me too, but goddamn I’m going home too

[granite tartan]

I’d rather die

[obsidian wolf]

I’m a small agency outside a big city. I get lots of playtime lol.

[granite tartan]

Yeah, stepping on rights

👮‍♀️

[plush topaz]

Stepping on necks

[echo jay]

Yeah you keep me from going east when I leave the city >:(

[delicate field]

Rainbow 6 edition gaming chair

[raw river]

Why are gaming chairs modeled after bucket seats

They're meant for keeping you in the seat not comfort

[sand rover]

cus they're "cool"

[echo jay]

that is just straight up a recaro lmao aint even a gamer chair

[slim kite]

Which one

[sand rover]

is it just a color choice?

[plush topaz]

Side bolsters help keep you in the seat. Like you said.

[slim kite]

yeah im addin a .40 barrel dont trust 9s

[plush topaz]

@raw river besides that isn't a gaming chair. That's a race car chair.

[sand rover]

40 s&w?

[slim kite]

yessir lookin for a barrel that compatible with the p80

[sand rover]

why bother

just use the 9mm

[slim kite]

ive got personal reasons ion like 9s

[sand rover]

9s are fine

[slim kite]

if you want put 4 in a mf an he keep comin yessir i agree

[sand rover]

any person that gets hit by 4 9mm and keeps fighting

will keep fighting if they get shot by 9mm

10mm

40 s&w

.45 acp

or .357 mag

[slim kite]

i was thinkin bought the 10mm

[sand rover]

don't

[slim kite]

my friend got one its a good shooter but not for cc

[sand rover]

10mm guns often break themselves much faster

for barely any difference in performance

[slim kite]

big cal so yeah i would assume

[sand rover]

more importantly, overly hot round

[slim kite]

ive had to use my 9 in a self defence sitch an ion like em why i prefer 40 45

[sand rover]

caliber doesn't not really matter as long as you're bigger than .32

hollow point or other similar features matter

[slim kite]

shit you carry a 32 amen to you lol had Hornady deffence

[sand rover]

I said bigger than .32

"stopping power" doesn't really exist

[slim kite]

i agree

[snow scarab]

ah yes, let me use a far inferior cartridge with less loadings and more expensive

makes sense

[muted gate]

aaaaaaand you are stupid

[slim kite]

you mad ?

[muted gate]

no, you just chose a really bad cartidge

9mm masterrace

[slim kite]

i like 40s becasuse i had to put 4 9mm rounds in a mf chest before he went down

so say wat you want wen i get into a life or death sitch i want that mf in two

[muted gate]

if you dont hit someones off button right off the bat, you are gonna need to slap several in them with most calibers

[sand rover]

there was a study done by Greg Ellifritz with over 10 years of gun related crime prevention

[muted gate]

hell the almighty centimeter needs a few

[sand rover]

and all handguns failed to stop the opposing force the same 14% of the time

as long as it was bigger than .32

[slim kite]

do i fukin care i use wat i want an you cryin bout it?

[muted gate]

it is what

and about

[slim kite]

not u alk

[barren kettle]

how hard is it to add in one extra letter to a word

[muted gate]

atleast my cockups are related to me typing fast

[sand rover]

about one letter harder

[muted gate]

harderer

[barren kettle]

you got me there

i wish i could post the "this is my glock 40, this is my problem solver right here" gif

[slim kite]

when people speak on stuff they got zero idea on i love it bc you call then out then they say nada

[muted gate]

what do you mean nada

we both responded

[snow scarab]

you would have to do that for literally everything lol

[barren kettle]

because your one anecdotal experience equates to every case of 9mm used in self defense?

[muted gate]

then i laughed at your shit spelling

[snow scarab]

bro talking like he from the hood 😂

[slim kite]

stand in front od a 40 an take it to the chest an get back to me

[slim kite]

3rd ward dawg

[muted gate]

stand infront of a 9 and get back to me

[snow scarab]

you obviously the one who don’t know shit if you think that .40 is gonna be any better at putting people down than a 9mm

[snow scarab]

ah yes, the ol “you wouldn’t wanna get shot by it” argument

[slim kite]

the dude i had to put 4 in would have went down in 1 40 shot yall never been in a life or death talkin like yall know sht tho

[snow scarab]

there are better rounds lol

[snow scarab]

why

what makes .40 thay much more superior

it’s literally a circumcised 10mm

it was created because females couldn’t handle the recoil of 10mm

[slim kite]

bigger more powdered more stoppin power ?

[sand rover]

every pistol caliber between 22 LR and 357 mag stopped individuals with 1 bullet anywhere on the body between 30% to 45% of the time

within the 10 year study I mentioned earlier

[snow scarab]

if you want knock down power, use a 10mm you pussy

[slim kite]

why you so ass hurt i pre fer a 40 over a 9

[sand rover]

doesn't really exist

[snow scarab]

we are tryna stop you from using an inferior round, that’s why

[sand rover]

use 9 mm

[muted gate]

40 was made for when projectiles for 9 didnt cut it

[snow scarab]

you can carry more rounds, it’s cheaper, easier to control, more concealable

[sand rover]

and doesn't really work for that much

[muted gate]

it has since been aleviated by better projectiles, meaning that agencies have been dumping 40 in exchange for 45 or 9s

[slim kite]

mf i keep a 350 legend in my car you wanna cry bought that too

[snow scarab]

Also the fact you type like you tryna act tough and from the hood tells me you’ve obviously never been in a defense scenario or handled firearms much lol

💀 350

[slim kite]

3000 greenridge look it up

[sand rover]

you want the "best" self defense pistol

go get a .410 judge

[snow scarab]

you mean downtown houston 💀💀💀

[muted gate]

ahhahahaha

i still hate 410

[sand rover]

still very effective for stopping intruders

[slim kite]

not like a wanna be lol i dont wanna be shit you think anyone in a self defence sitch ever wanted too lol you never put a mf down youd prolly freeze

[sand rover]

lol

[snow scarab]

and everything coming up for 3000 green ridge is literally saying it’s a luxury gated neighborhood

[sand rover]

grammar and punctuation please

[muted gate]

i have no idea what the fuck you just said and im from newark

[sand rover]

I'd rather not have an aneurism today

[snow scarab]

i’ve been in more situations involving someone’s life than you have, trust me my man lmfao

[slim kite]

oh know the grammar police i said what i said yall would be dead if yall was in my shoes that day lol

[sand rover]

I live a sheltered-ish life

[snow scarab]

grenades going off in peoples hands, drive bys, idiots with guns, the list goes in

[muted gate]

what the fuck are you even saying

[snow scarab]

i’ve spent 300 dollars on TQs alone

[slim kite]

i care ?

[pulsar tusk]

Why arent you guys just running a PAK21

Noobs

[snow scarab]

you makin the claim i’d freeze lmfao

[muted gate]

what

[snow scarab]

not me

[sand rover]

I've got a handgrenade, will that work?

[slim kite]

yes you would and youd be on a shirt

[sand rover]

can I defend myself with that?

[muted gate]

ah

[pulsar tusk]

Once

[snow scarab]

definitely, cause out of everyone here, im the only one with crisis training and i’d freeze 😂

[sand rover]

pretty good at painting the wall though

if the wall is still there

[slim kite]

yup you would ? i said what i said

[snow scarab]

ok bud

[pulsar tusk]

Bro thinks its an RPG or something

[snow scarab]

go back to cod lol

[sand rover]

you realize this channel is full of police officers and military right?

[pulsar tusk]

Professional larpers

[sand rover]

very true

[slim kite]

no real come backs say says go play cod you most likely a 55 year old fud who is cryin bc i like 40s lol

[snow scarab]

i’m 19 and fired more rounds than you’ve seen lmfao

it’s actually one of my jobs

[barren kettle]

@slim kite why not just get a .40 glock instead of a 9mm p80 that youve gotta replace the barrel on

[pulsar tusk]

The only problem with 40 is finding a gun that shoots it that isnt a glock

[sand rover]

was it @low fox who was talkin bout his cab car was almost in line of fire last night?

[snow scarab]

oh don’t bring him into it lol

[sand rover]

cus .40 glock's not good enough

[sand rover]

why noooot

[muted gate]

why are you a leaf again

[slim kite]

and i can put money 90% of yall never been in a life or death sitch where you the only one that lived tho so yall cryin about me liking 40s dont really carry any weight

[pulsar tusk]

A what

[snow scarab]

the veteran and current SWAT member in one of the busiest departments in the country

[muted gate]

a leaf, newbie

you have a leaf again

[pulsar tusk]

Because im 18

Wait i think i misread

What is a leaf

[sand rover]

you'd go broke then, lol

[barren kettle]

he means new to the server

[echo jay]

leaf

[pulsar tusk]

Oh

I thought a leaf was a term for a fudd or something

[sand rover]

lol

better a newb than a fudd

[pulsar tusk]

I am a fudd

[snow scarab]

in a SD situation your goal isn’t to kill lol

it’s to stop the threat

[sand rover]

unless necessary, of course

[snow scarab]

if you carry a gun cause you want to kill someone, you are the problem

[muted gate]

@sand rover you got that citation tho

i wanna read it

[snow scarab]

obviously

[sand rover]

the 10 year study?

[slim kite]

money a problem 4 you

[muted gate]

ye

[snow scarab]

failure to stop drill og brrrr

[sand rover]

let me go look for it

[pulsar tusk]

Because it only appears on pc

[snow scarab]

lol. no.

[pulsar tusk]

Bro really has baby yoda and a rifle in the same image

[snow scarab]

and pete

[pulsar tusk]

Whitest person on earth

[sand rover]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power I think this is it

[slim kite]

man sleeps with a stuffed dick im done fightin with you you got it

[snow scarab]

half of my family hopped the mexican border

[barren kettle]

💀

[muted gate]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2688536

i found this one

[snow scarab]

it was a gift from a good friend who died, you can go fuck uourself

[sand rover]

liking plushies isn't manly don't ya know

lol

[icy bronze]

Guys the 19 year old is saltier that you all please be nice to him. Unbecoming.

[slim kite]

he probably liked 9mm

[snow scarab]

it’s called don’t make assumptions

[snow scarab]

she* and no

gfys

[slim kite]

fr im sorry

[sand rover]

4 year study?

[muted gate]

its done by antigunners so im cagey to trust it

[snow scarab]

not really, i just like instigating people and seeing them snap easy af lol

[icy bronze]

Ty, T’s & P’s. Now thank they/them for they’s/them’s service.

[slim kite]

says the dick stuffy guy

[pulsar tusk]

Dday in the chat

[muted gate]

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jamanetworkopen/937363/zoi180063t3.png?Expires=1683566503&Signature=PkiLmSVWpto4vKi06n71d7xG~1Rnbl4QDd-LYoHFfUYc1I9-6nvbRr9LgZvjeptXLmz4GD8-Nds5gtX07JVPLdtyMZjep1Nz~kKIrwXhBSsZlCznq1C3TSFfHRgJsZZAxygqubDcDg3XRtL0ej8tpfwhFJaJvth8O12ZU4~GatjCf83j2JDUGt8TXBAEzshbkyPjZDSjbb946o1Jy9s~r25~EhmtiOoSJ0y0Dv3cStRTGSdjzKkwYGNP0~ZmPVGjT58iO5zg9iF2i2bemEjJ8f686GEim5ABMrUmtHcseVmgxwfIcmNPj4mXsHH6oTf8B8ZHI~owpXJU~hQcltGEmg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

"small (.22, .25, and .32), medium (.38, .380, and 9 mm), or large (.357 magnum, .40, .44 magnum, .45, 10 mm, and 7.62 × 39 mm)"

[snow scarab]

once again, i’m more qualified than you in every realm of shooting lol

what’s your holster?

[pulsar tusk]

More qualified doesn’t necessarily mean better to be fair

[muted gate]

@sand rover if you look at its dataset it adds x39 as a "Large" caliber, thus skewing the results fair bit

[snow scarab]

i’m definitely better lol. i’m shooting hundreds of rounds a week

[icy bronze]

I carry a Gargalon. Y’all familiar with that?

[pulsar tusk]

[sand rover]

lmao

7.62x39?

[pulsar tusk]

Gargalon holsters are so trash

[sand rover]

[muted gate]

yeah lmao

[icy bronze]

You can’t be serious.

You’re not down with Gargalon?

[pulsar tusk]

I sometimes dabble with gargalon

[icy bronze]

Oh so you’re kinda down to Gargalon deez?

[muted gate]

[pulsar tusk]

BRO I WAS PLAYING THE BIT WITH YOU

i was betrayed

[icy bronze]

🥹

[sand rover]

get fucked

[icy bronze]

Fuck

Fuck me in half

[sand rover]

threaten us with a good time

[icy bronze]

Let’s get back to the braggadocios salt dog telling some war stories.

Lemme hear bout dem “rounds” boy

[muted gate]

an aside

my arabic nametapes finally arrived

[sand rover]

noice

why arabic?

[muted gate]

ISOF

I have 2 names i go by incase of photos

My actual name and then a fake last name i plaster on my larp shit

[sand rover]

smart

the arabic the "fake" one

[muted gate]

nah it just has my fake name in arabic

[icy bronze]

So fucking cool

[sand rover]

ah

so larping reasons

[muted gate]

these also got done

[sand rover]

that's nifty

[icy bronze]

I eat pussy in Pashtun

[muted gate]

my shirt place thinks im a terrorist

[icy bronze]

Oh shit Operation My Rack veteran?!?!

[sand rover]

I thought about getting my radio callsign as a nametape

[muted gate]

go on 1800 nametapes

its like 3.50 for velcro tapes

[sand rover]

but then remembered I'd be pasting my name and address for all to see

lol

not the best idea to blast radio callsigns sometimes

[muted gate]

Just do what i do for larp shit

figure out a common last name

that covers the areas you wanna larp

then just slap it on everything

[sand rover]

or use smith

and it covers the entire world

lol

speaking of larp shit

you heard of the pvs-69?

[muted gate]

nvm, you mean the foscad ones

[sand rover]

the printed ones?

yeah

the newest version looks interesting

[muted gate]

im not a nods guy

[sand rover]

it's like a 500 dollar build

for an analog nvg

[pulsar tusk]

Speaking of nods

Opinions on amazon thermal monoculars

Not for mounting just for owning

[sand rover]

there are good ones and bad ones

[low fox]

@pallid rain

[stuck hazel]

Yo does anyone have any time behind the virtus bergen?

[misty mango]

conveniently enough my mate does

ill ask him for ya

[stuck hazel]

Thank you very much

[snow scarab]

AI generated gas masks 😂😂

[raw river]

Psychological warfare

Imagine seeing that with bloody clothes

[misty mango]

bro go the muh fuckin boowomp ass mask

[raw river]

Silent hill type shit

[plush topaz]

Looks like a metal gear boss

[snow scarab]

fr

[misty mango]

hes says he likes it and that its quite comfortable when loaded up
bit different as it opens from the front and bottom but the side pouches you can get for them can be mounted to the virtus webbing but i doubt youd need that
theres plenty of pockets and everything is laid out nicely
overall he says he likes it and is an improvement over his old burgen

[stuck hazel]

sound might grab one for £90

for some rougher use over my osprey

@misty mango any chance you can ask him if hes worn it over armour?

[misty mango]

he hasnt but next time i see him i could ask to try it

i know hes worn it over webbing and its solid

[stuck hazel]

alright sound

thats the only thing atm cause id be wearing it over my 094

[misty mango]

yeah ill try and borrow it from him at some point when the weather clears up

[stuck hazel]

alright

cheers for the tacticool experimentation

[misty mango]

no problemo gamer

[storm peak]

My mystery meat Caimon Ballistic helm just came in

[snow scarab]

anything wrong with it?

[storm peak]

Outer coating is a little rough as she has been abused, but so far no

Extremely off-putting of how this is 3a rated and weighs less than 2 lbs

[snow scarab]

check the website

[storm peak]

It's so light

[snow scarab]

i don’t think they are fully 3a rated

[snow scarab]

bruh

oh they use id.me?

might use that when copping a helmet

[storm peak]

I bought this from a lot batch for $800 when a new msrp one is $1800

[snow scarab]

i’m probably just gonna buy an ACH

[storm peak]

Dirty girl ach high cut?

[snow scarab]

nah, just keep it a low cut

gonna buy some comtacs so i can just use those

[storm peak]

Get a high cut bb

Acp duty doesn't seem fun with ach and iotv

[snow scarab]

it would be an ACH and SPC

also it’s for personal use

[stuck hazel]

save up and buy an SF like a man

[snow scarab]

no, it’s a shit helmet

it’s a ballistic bump

it’s made for shrapnel and that’s it

[stuck hazel]

kid really called the opscore SF a shit helmet

@granite tartan

nah nah hes NG he knows what hes talking about

[snow scarab]

it is?

it literally has devastating BFD from normal ball 9mm

it’s a ballistic bump

except opscore is the only company that doesn’t call it what it is

it meets nij 3a 9mm and just barely does

otherwise it’s rated for shrapnel and that’s it

[stuck hazel]

nothing about the crippling neck injuries caused by them?

[stuck hazel]

fine, pick another opscore thats known to stop rifle rounds. just dont use an ACH

[snow scarab]

you did not just bring up neck injuries then tell me to get a rifle rated helmet 😂

how about i put a SLAPP on an ACH and be fine

the new ACHs are like 3.2 for an entire system

[stuck hazel]

and cripple yourself from the weight

the ACH stock is impractically heavy

[snow scarab]

no it isn’t

[stuck hazel]

yes it is

[snow scarab]

it weighs about as much as the FAST MT

[stuck hazel]

and i said "known to stop" not "rifle rated"

[snow scarab]

it’s not that heavy lol

i’ve worn it for days

it’s perfectly fine lol

[stuck hazel]

it weighs 1.6kg

which in freedom units is 3.6 pounds

[snow scarab]

a large system weighs 3.2

[stuck hazel]

the shell of a medium fast MT is 1.44 lbs

[snow scarab]

actually, we’ll settle it now, i’ll go weigh mine

[stuck hazel]

https://shop.gentexcorp.com/content/Ops-Core-FAST-MT-Super-High-Cut-Sell-Sheet.pdf

[snow scarab]

no it isn’t. the SF isn’t that light

wtf

[stuck hazel]

the system weight is stated here to be 2.5 lbs

for the large

its a super-high but the difference is minimal

FAST SF for reference

https://shop.gentexcorp.com/content/Ops-Core-FAST-MT-Super-High-Cut-Sell-Sheet.pdf

[snow scarab]

full system with night vision mount

[stuck hazel]

that an ACH?

[snow scarab]

and that’s a 2005 ACH

the newer versions are lighter

[stuck hazel]

the difference is significant then

[snow scarab]

not really. especially when you consider that, once again, i’ve worn it for days and have 0 problems. once you start mounting shit to it? sure

but comms aren’t going on it so that’s even less of a problem

[stuck hazel]

earpro is still on your head

doesnt mean you dont get to count it

ilose if you had the choice

would you pick an opscore helmet over an ACH

apparently

unfortunately.

ACH shills be dammed

[snow scarab]

lmfao i’m not shilling for the ACH

[stuck hazel]

[snow scarab]

i’m just saying the SF ballistically is shit

[stuck hazel]

so shall i rephrase my statement

buy a FAST MT

[snow scarab]

and that i would rather a helmet that can properly stop rounds and possibly ricochet a rifle

[stuck hazel]

.

ilose is the gift that keeps on giving

[granite tartan]

The shell weight yes

[snow scarab]

yeah i already said i was wrong

it’s barely lighter

[granite tartan]

The sf helmet is used as a nod host not for infantry guys for a reason

Dudes who are under nods 24/7 want the lighter weight with the lateral suspension

It literally just depends what you want

SF is a good night vision host

[snow scarab]

i found out that our new harnesses are made by opscore

[granite tartan]

And at stand-off ranges ittl stop rifle calibers

Buy a tbh r1

Stops .308

“”

Also don’t watch oxide he is annoying

[stuck hazel]

THIS IS TRUE

why has nobody said this before

same goes for hoplofophile

[snow scarab]

why

[stuck hazel]

A: his videos are wayy too subjective

B:hes pretentious as fuck

C: hes annoying

[snow scarab]

he’s a WO

[granite tartan]

Eh…

A what?

[snow scarab]

warrant officer

[stuck hazel]

hes a prick

[granite tartan]

Stop sucking the dick of military people

[snow scarab]

means he knows a fuck ton about whatever his job is

[stuck hazel]

[granite tartan]

He’s a pilot you dumbass

[snow scarab]

exactly?

[granite tartan]

He’s a flight warrant

[snow scarab]

yeah

[stuck hazel]

@snow scarab you talking about hop or oxide?

[snow scarab]

oxide

[granite tartan]

And he knows a lot about military aviation, specifically about what he’s typed out on

[stuck hazel]

oxide is a pilot yeah

[stuck hazel]

this is about hop btw

[granite tartan]

Just because you can fly a helicopter doesn’t mean you can fly others

Just a heads up

@snow scarab

He knows A lot about flying blackhawks

That’s it

@stuck hazel I know hop

He’s not a bad dude

[stuck hazel]

wdym "know"

hes not a bad dude who discourages people from using gun belts because he thinks they are bad

[granite tartan]

Crazy

[stuck hazel]

crazy

[granite tartan]

To be frank

The problem with hop, is that he’s a gun tuber

They’re all annoying

[stuck hazel]

hes a gun tuber who specifically gets his kicks out of being annoying

and i means its worked so

kudos

[sand rover]

I like hop

but also, I'm probably a lil tistic myself

[sand rover]

wdym

you uses gunbelts regularly

[carmine night]

I found this at the second hand store with some other army related gear , any idea what this is?

[untold marten]

a backbrace

[sand rover]

just a warbelt with suspenders

[misty mango]

why is it so high up

[carmine night]

I didn’t realise what it was

I’ll lower it when I get home

[sand rover]

on the waist, above the hipbones

[carmine night]

Excuse the bath tub but yeah looks a lot better now instead of some dads back brace

[stuck hazel]

I bought that exact one for like £30 off Amazon, it’s not worth keeping.

[stuck hazel]

You not watch his video?

[carmine night]

For a second hand store find I’m pretty happy

I’ll just use it for fishing

Can use it for camping

I also found this bag which has heaps of room in it so I’m double pretty happy

[sand rover]

Which one?

[stuck hazel]

The battle belt one

Where he recommended against wearing gun belts

[plush topaz]

Why

[stuck hazel]

His reasoning was that they don’t work well with layering and they don’t work well with armour

And that you won’t need a pistol when rucking… which is just wrong

[plush topaz]

Interesting. Couldn’t you just throw your war belt over all your layers.

I’ve never used one

[plush topaz]

There’s an Israeli company that uses war belts with a brace that attaches to your ruck frame for better stability. Forget which one

[misty mango]

yes

i do that when its fucking freezing

[plush topaz]

So wtf is he on about

[misty mango]

just the same concept as the big padded ones that way

[plush topaz]

Hop is a silly goose

[misty mango]

only issue is that its straight velcro onto your clothes mind

i think the only one that doesn't have straight velcro on your clothes is the GBRS one because its flipped

but generally you can just pull it off your inner belt and throw it over

[plush topaz]

Ya

[misty mango]

sorry about the glare
suns coming through

[snow scarab]

bruh what

they work fine lol

[stuck hazel]

Gun belts

[stuck hazel]

This do, it’s true

You can also run a gun belt over your clothing without the Velcro but nobody told hop that

[misty mango]

can just cut down an inner belt to cover it up

i might do that tbf
grab a cheap inner belt and cut it down just so i dont fuck up my jacket as much

[plush topaz]

Ez peezy

[misty mango]

i like hop for his straight bluntness but for gear he just aint it tbh

his gun reviews are neat

same with optics

just not gear

[plush topaz]

I learned a lot from his nods videos

[misty mango]

yeah thats another good one
him and brass facts make solid nod related stuff

[stuck hazel]

Hopping on the band wagon fr rn

[misty mango]

ya mum

insane blud

[stuck hazel]

finna pop yo nan tryna find this problem G

[misty mango]

cheers mate
nan just took out a wonga loan

[stuck hazel]

whats your nan doing with pay day loans

[misty mango]

dont know mate

should probably ask her tbf

[stuck hazel]

alr alr will do

[misty mango]

cheers mush

[stuck hazel]

no worries blud

[misty mango]

propa geezer you innit

[stuck hazel]

yeah yeah innit G calm bruv

[storm peak]

New plates came in

Good ol hesco l210s

[empty sorrel]

Decent

I'm something of a collector

[snow scarab]

i’m not alone in the giant ifak gang

[storm peak]

Giant ifak is peepee poopoo

[storm peak]

Is that an avs with clothing and sales mag pouches and a basic training camelback?

[empty sorrel]

Lbt 6094

[misty mango]

thats not an avs

yeah

[empty sorrel]

Make pouches just some generic stuff I bought

[empty sorrel]

*mag

[storm peak]

habibis, i need some high cut helmet cover recommendations, caiman helmet covers are dookie

[plush topaz]

The only answer is Agilite

https://agilitegear.com/collections/helmet-covers

[storm peak]

already checked, they stopped making galvion caiman helmet covers 😦

part of me wants to pick up 2 opscore covers as my work helmet is still bare

[snow scarab]

bruh, they didn’t issue you one

or did they give you an ACH cover lol

[storm peak]

i was issued an UCP and an OCP ACH cover from CIF, my unit's SPEAR did not issue me a helmet cover. In fact they barely gave me a half issue

[snow scarab]

bruh

[storm peak]

oh trust me bro, im aware that i got cucked hard

[snow scarab]

they said fuck the intel guy 😂

[storm peak]

my unit's spear duo team are very angry at life because of all the damn flipls they have to do because of all the long tabbers trying to steal gear

so i got cucked as a result. they issued me comtacs without a damn boom mic

no cold weather gear/patagonia cw

no 31 accessories

no drag bag or dead hooker bag

ima make them do another flipl for me

[snow scarab]

i’m sorry what?

most of this i can understand

but “dead hooker bag” threw me off

[storm peak]

oh sorry, forgot youre new army

dead hooker bag is best imagined as a giant nylon sack thats bout 10 feet long and can hold your entire cif issue

[snow scarab]

i mean i know fucked up shit like pogie bait and such

[snow scarab]

ah

[sand rover]

his points aren't wrong, but he's intentionally nitpicking

it's kinda the point of reviewing things to nitpick the small annoyances and cons to an items

even if they usually don't matter, or are just a minor inconvenience

[plush topaz]

@sand rover but to say something is bad from one minor issue...?

[sand rover]

he doesn't say belts are bad

[plush topaz]

Good

[sand rover]

he does state that battle belts start to make less sense in a number of instances

but never says they're bad, simply that they have a use case and aren't always needed

[muted gate]

Battlebelts are great for flat range shooting, but im a fan of just using a proper rigger and just embracing the suck of having to weave the pouches

[sand rover]

you mean a chest rig?

[muted gate]

we talking about rigs?

i thought we were on about battlebelts

[sand rover]

we were

not understanding what you mean by "proper rigger"

idk, I'm tired

[muted gate]

like a rigger belt

not using the 2 piece battlebelts, just using a single piece rigger

[sand rover]

oh, like an edc belt

invest in some good paddles then if that's your preferred method

[muted gate]

not really needed

[sand rover]

not necessarily no, but very convenient

[muted gate]

and dont get it twisted, i like the battlebelts

but sometimes its just aids if they get just a lil bit dirty

[sand rover]

wdym

[muted gate]

velcro gets a lil bit dirty

shit likes to twist and move

[sand rover]

never had that issue

you using cheap loop and hook or something?

[muted gate]

nah justbelts ive had for a fair clip

then got dirty after eating shit

[sand rover]

can always put, like, icevents pads on em and convert to a war belt

[muted gate]

at that point id just go full web gear and ditch the velcro

[sand rover]

that's kinda the point of the icevents, replaces the velcro with padding

so you can just use it without an inner belt

[muted gate]

but again, at that point ill just by a dedicated thing

[sand rover]

probably the better option

but if you already got the belt

it's pretty easy to set up padding that way

and reverse it if you want to use it with an inner belt

[muted gate]

but again

why

if i want to run a suspender setup ill buy suspender gear

[sand rover]

cheap, easy, reversible

and who said you needed suspenders

[muted gate]

if im on a flat range or im just doing some larp comp ill use a removable belt so i can take my shit off when i have to go take a dump

if im rucking ill use a rigger

if i wanna rock a suspender setup ill but a dedicated suspender setup

the icevent padding fits nowhere into that

[sand rover]

doesn't have to be icevents, just a removable padding

[muted gate]

but again, why

[sand rover]

so you only buy one belt

[muted gate]

like what role does the padded belt fill

[sand rover]

war belt

without inner belt

[muted gate]

which needs suspenders

[sand rover]

no

it doesn't

[muted gate]

yes

[sand rover]

no

it doesn't

[muted gate]

yeah it does

[sand rover]

it really doesn't

[muted gate]

it kinda does

if im rockin a normal 2 piece belt that is usually on my hips, the padded removes that immovability

if im gonna rock a non attached belt im slapping on suspenedes

[sand rover]

the padding adds support

plus if you're running a padded war belt you're probably wearing a coat

which adds more padding and support

[muted gate]

which would lend itself even more to just a suspender setup

[sand rover]

not really needed

but even then, sure add suspenders to it

still cheaper to have one versatile belt than a bunch of dedicated setups

[muted gate]

but if we are adding the suspenders, id be more prudent to not kitbash and buy once crye once

[sand rover]

better, not really

cheaper, yes

[sand rover]

buy once crye once is a marketing scheme intended to make you buy the most expensive options first without knowing what your actual needed are

you want the best kit

buy a shit ton of gear

and try everything'

fuck buying once

[muted gate]

kinda shocked you took that bait

that was really low effort on my part

[sand rover]

it was also incredibly dumb, and against your own point you were trying to make

"just buy one thing" was what I said to do, you said to buy a dedicated piece of gear for every setup style

[muted gate]

i mean not really, my point is if im going to spend lets say the 105 bucks on icevents

ontop of lets say 100 bucks for a belt system

and maybe 40-50 for suspenders

i may as well just take that 105 i spend on the icevents and buy another warbelt

specifically a proper warbelt and not a range belt

[sand rover]

or spend like 20 bucks one padding, 20 bucks on suspenders, and 80 bucks for a belt system

and it's still cheaper than most "dedicated" gear systems

[muted gate]

That still doesnt adress my point. If i want to be able to run a warbelt (im talking warbelt in the proper sense, not a padded rangebelt) it is more prudent to spend the padding money on a proper warbelt as opposed to a padded rangebelt with extra steps

thats what im saying

[sand rover]

if you have plenty of money, sure do that

[muted gate]

which was the entirity of my point on the outset with me just saying "Hey, i use a rigger belt when actually doing shit"

[sand rover]

it'll be a better option

[stuck hazel]

This conversation was way deeper than necessary

[plush topaz]

But at least it was civil

[muted gate]

but it wasnt wrong

[stuck hazel]

This is true

[stuck hazel]

Maybe a little over exaggerated

[sand rover]

Probably all true

[misty mango]

theres a airsoft channel holmes

what plates

brand?

5.56 M855 really isnt hard to stop

kinda ass round tbh

aslong as they aint steel

dont most places just consider it ball at this point lmao

🙏

yeah the laws are funky with it

just because it has a steel core

[cerulean kayak]

why steel plates bad?

huh

could it take consecutive rounds tho

[misty mango]

ceramics can

also steel plates like to spall

[flint hemlock]

My friend just gave me this ruck because they didn't want to haul it home

[granite tartan]

Goofy ahh

Shut up goofy

And it’s bad

Now shut

[muted gate]

its bad man

[granite tartan]

Goofy ahh

[muted gate]

^

[granite tartan]

Yeah?

[muted gate]

lol

[granite tartan]

Idk man

Taylor is dank

And you’re cringe

Bruh

I wish

You are cringe

[muted gate]

no

[granite tartan]

And your insults are wack

“Posts kit online”

Heh

[muted gate]

should i post the goofy kit mike?

[granite tartan]

Send it

@low fox I don’t have kit

[muted gate]

imagine not having more money in a radio than he does in fucking bodyarmor @granite tartan

god i got a pricecheck on the prick recently

its like a grand

[granite tartan]

Here is a photo of me at work

[granite tartan]

I eat peenor

[muted gate]

BTW if thats the internal phone blur thing, its reversable

[timber linden]

Already saved it

[muted gate]

i fuck with my shit in photoshop

[granite tartan]

@low fox

This is all you’re getting

[muted gate]

are you getting ayo vibes mike?

[granite tartan]

Def

@low fox aight my bad

@low fox won’t do it again

@muted gate I got some 5.11 pants

[muted gate]

noice

[granite tartan]

They’re alright

I would buy more pairs

[muted gate]

my chinesium type 07 arid crye clones should be here this week

[granite tartan]

But not for work,

[muted gate]

5.11 is shit but works

[granite tartan]

My coworkers use them, but they blow out

[muted gate]

which pants tho?

[granite tartan]

I’m looking at crye LAC for my BDU uniforms

The $82 a pair pant

Crye LAC field pants

$200

Not super bad

[muted gate]

mehhh

i am a shill for some chinese crye clones

[granite tartan]

The crye pants are stupid overbuilt

[muted gate]

as depending the stiching holds up uber well

[granite tartan]

I am an enjoyer

[muted gate]

i get why people buy crye, but ive gotten enough holes in pants from being in thicket that i dont buy crye anymore

[granite tartan]

The crye combats are good

G3

Which I have

I’ve seen G4s that are ratty

At work

[muted gate]

yeah, i had a pair in m81

[granite tartan]

Those are drifires

Made of different material

[muted gate]

the G3s are great, love crye kneepads, but thicket just ratted them over the years

[granite tartan]

True

Crye knee pads 🙏

@low fox that sucks

I posted my kit

I hate you

[muted gate]

no one cares, no one plays here

[granite tartan]

Literally

[muted gate]

@granite tartan oh yeah did you see my newark stick?

[granite tartan]

Based

I need a banelli m4

[muted gate]

god the newark riots were so weird

@granite tartan wanna go first or shall I?

[granite tartan]

You post

Yeah that’s pretty bad

[muted gate]

nah i meant for the absolute riffing thats coming

[granite tartan]

Hm?

[muted gate]

nvm

[granite tartan]

He’s a based flex cuff emjoyer tho

Which is funny

[muted gate]

I still havent found a good way to hold zipties

Lancers suck
you have 4+1 mags (Jesus dude)
TQ 1 on shoulder is in the sun, can cause issues
TQ 2 cant be reached from either side

No admin pouch

no dump

[sand rover]

imo admin pouches should at least be big enough for maps

[timber linden]

WTF IS THIS LMAOOO

SHIT IS HARDCORE DUDE

OPR8R

airsoft is more ur speed

mismatched mags

Look at my helmet

See this

This is quality

[cold ledge]

Don’t pretend to be my idol thank you

[timber linden]

All hail Antonov

The greatest mind to grace this sub

[misty mango]

💀

antonov is peak

[timber linden]

He got banned

For the suicide threats

Lmao

@low fox you are new Antonov

Our new leader

Bring order to this tarnished land

This is why we need you sneaky

You

You’re the new Antonov

Post pictures of you in plastic gear and then threaten to commit suicide if people aren’t nice

It’s real simple

[echo jay]

Yeah just be a child with unrestricted internet access and shitty parents

[timber linden]

RIGHT

He knows

He’s talking about Antonov

Kid was like 8

[echo jay]

Yeah it was bad

[timber linden]

Yes very young

He sent us these masterpieces

Social media

[echo jay]

He probably wasn't actually that young but definitely too young to have unrestricted internet access

The ptsd one is hilarious

[timber linden]

I trynna impress me sneaky

Okay well just so you know everyone here is in agreement that my opinion is the only one that matters

[timber linden]

DUDE YOU REMEMBER WHEN HE POSTED HIS BEDROOM

There was shit smeared on the wall

[cold ledge]

Nemo poster or something

[timber linden]

Nemo blanket

Which he assured us was his brothers

[echo jay]

No honestly I would leave whenever he came around

[timber linden]

Missed out

[echo jay]

I can't deal with shit like that

Too cringe for me