irl-gear

[plush topaz]

Their customer service is insane too

Really good

[raw river]

Is it a case of "shut up and send us your address for a new one"

[plush topaz]

I haven't had that issue but more like very responsive and proactively search for solutions

[raw river]

That isn't a bad thing I like customer service like that

Quick and to the point

[plush topaz]

Yep

A good CBRN filter and some iodide pills and you're ready for the nukes

I emailed the nuke plant closest to my house and they sent me iodide pills lmao

[raw river]

I just want a gas mask that'll work well and is easy to shoot with

[plush topaz]

The Mira c7m Is excellent to shoot with

Granted you won't have to shoot offhand

[raw river]

How is it compared to the m50

[plush topaz]

Ive never worn one but I hear the c7 is better to shoot with

[raw river]

Even without the filter the m50 has a bulge on the cheek

Makes keeping your head steady hard

[plush topaz]

Yep

The m50 is great. The cm6 and cm7 are great.

[raw river]

Eeeh m50 is usable

[plush topaz]

Even the m40 is great

[raw river]

Like anything standard issue

[plush topaz]

Listen they'll all work

[crystal pasture]

Mayflower gang 👀

[twilit cape]

@idle helm thats just the gun community in a nutshell

[granite tartan]

Mira is a distributor

They’re not good cbrn

Just try to get a surp c/m50

[wind cave]

that one is cool looking

[granite tartan]

No

The cm6 and cm7 are not great

They work

I’d rather have an fm53 but I’m poor

[warped merlin]

im gonna be honest, the amount of helmets in tarkov are lacking just a little, where are the regular ass Altyn and Maska helmets?

[granite tartan]

What?

[warped merlin]

the PUBG and R6S Tachanka helmets

[granite tartan]

What about em

[warped merlin]

put em in the game

nevermind the altyn is in the game, and the maska too im stupid

[timber fog]

Eh don’t mind them, most of the guys here that cry about your gear not being gucci enough for them are the same kind of guys that’ve never even experienced a shootout before anyways

Redditors basically

[timber linden]

These gear channels are just a big LARP lmaoooo it’s exactly like Reddit

[fickle bison]

Elitism + gear quer + shtf larper

At this point this channel and irl weapon has become a critique thread rather than a community

Always the same people going "buy this. Oh wait, you can't because it's expensive? Welp, maybe you should be spending thousands like me so you can larp harder"

[left flax]

Real

[timber linden]

Even worse, the SHTF larpers truly believe during a collapse it’s just going to be constant combat.

We literally have several people fresh out of basic on here criticizing everyone for their gear choices all day

It’s insane

[timber fog]

It’s pretty entertaining tho ngl

[fickle bison]

Like I understand prepping for like earthquake, flood, or forestfires. But they're thinking like humanity and civilization will collapse and people will just start killing like it's last of us or something

Absolute schizos

[timber linden]

If you are unfortunate enough to not die immediately during the collapse of humanity, gunfights are going to be the least of your concerns.

[granite tartan]

Based

@timber linden I like you

[timber linden]

These guys don’t exercise, don’t eat well, don’t train, have no survival experience.

[timber linden]

Yet I still have received no booty

[granite tartan]

Cause I’m a top

[plush topaz]

Oh?

[timber linden]

Guess we gotta wrestle and see who can overpower who

[stuck hazel]

if there is something wrong in our opinion we will say

i see no problem

[stuck hazel]

you eat too well, train genshin 24/7, and survive the cancer caused by the camel crippling amounts of vape and microwave meals you intake on the regular

you're better than all of us

[timber linden]

The fact that eating well and exercising upsets you just further confirms my point

[stuck hazel]

when was i upset about that

[timber linden]

Continue drinking your soda and sitting on the couch all day while telling people to spend an extra $400 on a helmet for SHTF

[stuck hazel]

im upset about you're here chatting shit about larpers when your "SHTF" prep is an early death

[timber linden]

I should be so lucky

[stuck hazel]

point is, if youre gonna do it at all you may as well do it right

nobody is obliged to do it

most people here dont even give a shit about SHTF

and certainly are not going to tell people to go about and buy gear "just in case"

[timber linden]

The issue is you thinking you’re qualified to decide how to do it right

[stuck hazel]

i think im educated on the subject matter

im no subject matter expert

my advice is never going to be "be all end all"

some people in here you could consider subject matter experts

[timber linden]

Okay then if you aren’t the problem we are referring to why are you getting so defensive?

[stuck hazel]

but i dont see a problem with producing justified arguments as to what gear would be appropriate and why X thing is bad and Y thing is better

[stuck hazel]

come again

im defending the people you view as "the problem"

the condition being im referring to the people in here

[timber linden]

Yes because you’ve formed a circlejerk with LARPERS where you shit on others in here for not being tacticool enough

[stuck hazel]

thats just not what happens though

[stuck hazel]

there are people in here with extreme and to an extent objectively wrong opinions

but it doesnt matter because as previously stated

most of us are not subject matter experts and out statements and opinions are just that, statements and opinions

nobody really should give a shit

yourself included

unless its one of the ""speedy"" dudes talking in which case its generally best to listen

[stuck hazel]

lol shovl is a meme at this point

no offence shovl feel free to lecture me on masterkeys any time you like

[timber linden]

Dude is genuinely the worst and the entire embodiment of what people here are saying

[stuck hazel]

but it doesnt really matter because there are people in here who dont just shit on people for the sake of it

and will just give honest and reasoned assessments of people shit

and if its negative then either take it or dont

[timber linden]

I’ve yet to see it

[stuck hazel]

i see it all the time

[timber linden]

The non-usuals who post shit usually just get made fun of without any actual advice

Made fun of by other idiots btw

[stuck hazel]

you pop out of no where, chat shit, and then run away as if you are the police of "cringe larp"

[stuck hazel]

if their shit is shit then yh it happens

[timber linden]

I’m sorry I’m not on discord all day

[stuck hazel]

but there usually is advice

[stuck hazel]

not the problem pal, your assessment of what this channel is.

tho tbh yeah a lot of shit is posted here by the regulars too

[idle helm]

Main reason i open these channels

[stuck hazel]

im just too broken to acknowledge it at this point

[timber linden]

Lmao “I’m just too broken”

What bro

[stuck hazel]

😐

💀

[snow scarab]

i mean i’m making a statement that literally everyone that’s used an ACH would agree with lol

[timber linden]

And here’s the weekend warrior come to give sage advice

[stuck hazel]

deadly serious, people who have worn ACHs regularly have come out with fucked up spines

fucking consistently

it functions as a helmet but there are better things

[timber linden]

Then respond with that instead of just “ACH so bleh”.

That’s the entire problem

[twilit cape]

@plush topaz what do you think about the Israeli masada helmet ?

[timber linden]

Not once did any of you mention that to the person who posted them

[stuck hazel]

fair enough

[stuck hazel]

but i love how that translates into this

[timber linden]

Because most of you are unhealthy larpers thinking more expensive body armor is going to save you in some kind of hypothetical scenario

[stuck hazel]

and you gathered that how

[timber linden]

Cmon man

You genuinely going to argue with me on that?

[stuck hazel]

i know most of the people i listen to in here are in shape

and that includes most of the regulars

[timber linden]

Yes yes everyone in here is super fit and combat experienced

[stuck hazel]

never said combat experienced

[timber linden]

You’re getting upset over the comment because you know it’s true

[stuck hazel]

only reason i would have to be upset over that is if it applied to me

and it doesnt

[timber linden]

Good then why are you arguing with me about it

[stuck hazel]

because its not true?

you dont have a point to prove

[timber linden]

Because you and the regulars have formed a LARP circle jerk and now you feel the need to defend them

[stuck hazel]

lol

ok bud

[timber linden]

I mean like legitimately who are you defending?

We are the only ones talking

The people who aren’t LARPING knows it doesn’t apply to them so they don’t need to get defensive

[stuck hazel]

the people you are unjustly slating?

[timber fog]

Same tbh

And the fact there’s actually a lot of good info whenever people aren’t crying over other people collecting surplus gear

[stuck hazel]

isnt it fun when people aren't bitching and moaning

[timber linden]

Don’t mistake people calling out bullshit behavior as bitching

[stuck hazel]

you are bitching and moaning

and just wrong

but please, continue to provide your opinion that this channel is 90% just people calling other peoples things bad with no justifcations

[timber fog]

I honestly prefer a friendlier and more helpful community

I don’t mind some friendly shit talking

[stuck hazel]

this is better than most honestly

[timber fog]

That’s true

But I don’t care for the dogpiling much

I’m still gonna lurk regardless

[timber linden]

Continue larping then I don’t give a shit

[stuck hazel]

obviously not

[snow scarab]

what’s your average workout routine by week look like?

how many hours in the gym would you say per day?

[stuck hazel]

ffs shovl he just went away

[idle helm]

Literally reinforcing what i said, this channel has no sense of community. Just straight belittling others

[stuck hazel]

it really isnt that bad

[idle helm]

Its not a wide issue but I've seen it happen on so many occasions, that's why i mentioned it

[stuck hazel]

why bother

this is literally discord

[barren kettle]

it’s funny that the guy who only comes into troll is crying about people being rude

[stuck hazel]

i was trying to avoid mentioning the irony lol

[barren kettle]

dude contributes nothing but “shovl is a weekend warrior” or some other stupid comment

[stuck hazel]

meme shovl

[barren kettle]

like yeah the regulars usually shit on people at first but if you stay and show that you aren’t just trying to act cool or act like you know everything cause you own a gun they don’t fuck with you 🤷‍♂️

[snow scarab]

he belittled me, imma belittle back

2 hours every weekday

[timber fog]

I’d argue it can be a lot of the time, it just isn’t as bad as a lot of other places like you said

Not that it makes that much of a difference

[stuck hazel]

its all about growing a pair and just not giving a shit

the fact people on here genuinely dont understand that the world is full of pricks is beyond me

[misty mango]

main reason i stick around tbf
i know full well i dont know everything
but i know enough to the point that im not a braindead moron
and knowing when youre wrong is the main difference between a lot of people in these channels

a lot of people cant accept that theyre wrong

[snow scarab]

this tho. sure we act like pricks, but 90% of the time we’ll actually give advice

[timber fog]

Just because the world’s a certain way doesn’t mean we should stop striving to better ourselves

You can grow a pair and still practice decent manners

[wind cave]

theyre all cool once you stick around, same reason here

[plush topaz]

Someone get buttered again?

[wind cave]

there definitely would be more pertinent issues, but people would start killing /looting / doing wild things for sure.

[raw river]

The world hasn't even collapsed and people are killing each other and burning/looting look at california cities you'd be dumb not to prepare the ones who are really dumb are people who run combat drills but don't know how to start a fire or pitch a tent

[timber fog]

There’s nothing happening in California cities that isn’t happening in the sticks

[raw river]

Maybe in the sticks of Cali but last time I checked I can conceal carry and have a gun that can take standard capacity

[fickle bison]

This can be said about many highly dense population like big metropolis

[timber fog]

You can ccw in Cali again

The standard capacity thing is still a wip

[fickle bison]

You just need to have a reason

[timber fog]

Not anymore

[fickle bison]

At least in my county

[timber fog]

That got overturned

[fickle bison]

Hmm 🤔

[raw river]

Need a reason lmao what bullshit

[fickle bison]

There is a "loophole" tho where you can both open carry and conceal carry without a CCW permit

You just gotta be hunting or fishing

[timber fog]

Bad loophole

Just do the paperwork

[fickle bison]

https://californiaoutdoors.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/carrying-a-gun-while-fishing/

I genuinely fish

[raw river]

You shouldn't have to do paperwork to protect yourself

[fickle bison]

And carry while doing so

[raw river]

Cali is a dystopian hellhole

[timber fog]

Not that bad really

[fickle bison]

Just the big cities, outer farming/country side aren't too affected by it

[timber fog]

Nah, those are the hellholes

Nothing to do out there but meth

[raw river]

You still have to abide by bs gun laws

[fickle bison]

I moved out of the city and I've been doing fine, went from a neet to more of an outdoors person

[timber fog]

Depends on where you move to ofc

If we’re talking about the valley…

Yikes

[raw river]

The 2nd amendment wasn't made for hunting which is why Cali has such strict laws

[fickle bison]

Yeah, I wouldn't move to a meth or fentanyl shithole.

[timber fog]

If we’re talking north more you’re fine-ish

[twilit cape]

imagine staying in cali

[fickle bison]

Yup, moved up north, and I'm thinking moving further up north to Oregon or something

[timber fog]

Oregon would be cool

[fickle bison]

Cali isn't long plan for me, just a temp stay cuz family stuff

[raw river]

What about Oregon is cool lol drug addicts everywhere

[snow scarab]

also the highest producing

[fickle bison]

Just don't live in a shithole lmao

[timber fog]

Nature, guns

[fickle bison]

It's not like there is druggies every mile

[snow scarab]

when you look at what cali produces, it evens out

[raw river]

Oregon is just as bad as Cali with guns

[fickle bison]

Consequences of the industrial revolution

[timber fog]

Since when

[raw river]

No it doesn't I can live without guacamole if it means Cali loses power

[timber fog]

We have our own power grid

We’ll be ight bud

[raw river]

That barely works

[timber fog]

Worry about Texas if anything

[fickle bison]

Worry about New York lmao

[raw river]

How are those rolling blackouts

[timber fog]

Wouldn’t know, I’ve never experienced one

[snow scarab]

guac, most meat products, most non imported wine, most all entertainment and technological advancements, fuck ton of dairy products, eggs,

the list just goes on

[raw river]

"I haven't experienced it so it isn't real"

[snow scarab]

there’s a reason california has the 4th largest GDP in the world

[timber fog]

Vs “I read it on the internet so it must be true”

[raw river]

It's common knowledge Cali has blackouts

[snow scarab]

california was like 15% of the GDP

[snow scarab]

in what areas?

[timber fog]

^

List them

[snow scarab]

cause i know people all over the state and known have experienced blackouts

from san diego to fucking eureka

[raw river]

Google it I'm not your daddy I'm getting bojangles

[snow scarab]

no but you made the stupid statement

so you give your own facts

that’s how statements work

you say it, you provide the facts

[raw river]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-blackouts-power-grid/story?id=89460998

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/consumer-support/power-outage-maps

2nd is a gov website

[snow scarab]

yeah that’s from september

[timber fog]

Not like that anymore

[snow scarab]

during a heat wave

[raw river]

Fucking Cali clowns

[timber fog]

Thank you for your service

[snow scarab]

where everyone had their AC running

it’s not relevant anymore lol

[timber fog]

Fuck

[snow scarab]

and there were no actual blackouts, it was all avoided

[timber fog]

@obsidian wolf

[fickle bison]

It prob only happened in big cities like LA county

Didn't happen in my county

I even had my AC blasting too

[snow scarab]

if riverside county had 0 blackouts, everywhere else was fine

[raw river]

The fact it happened at all is hilarious in a 1st world nation

[snow scarab]

but it didn’t?

literally it happened in one small town

the rest of the state was fine

[fickle bison]

Didn't Texas have blackout during winter?

[raw river]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-31/california-declares-grid-emergency-raising-specter-of-blackout

[snow scarab]

that literally says declares emergency

raising specter means might lol

once again, the entire state had a huge heat wave

meh

[raw river]

Ah yes a state where normally it's 60-110 didn't prep its grid for freezing Temps is the same as a state not being prepared for heat waves it has every year

Even california Republicans are delusional

[snow scarab]

none of the things you’ve linked have supported your claim

[fickle bison]

The entire state was down, meanwhile California had a few counties

They literally had to borrow power from other states

[raw river]

Again if you really care that much Google yourself I'm enjoying food

[snow scarab]

the new speaker is out of california isn’t it?

[snow scarab]

i did, and none of them support your claim

[raw river]

Like what Cali does with power and water

[raw river]

And nobody likes him

[snow scarab]

no lol

colorado river feeds into like 6 states

[snow scarab]

well yeah, most republicans are fucking wacko now

[raw river]

Better than democrats

[snow scarab]

meh

[fickle bison]

I know few companies are constructing a desalination plants to prevent it

[snow scarab]

gaetz, MTG, the trumps

all terrible people

desantis

anyways enough politics, post gear

[raw river]

Biden, hillary, aoc

[fickle bison]

This guy thinks politics is like fucking star wars 😂

There isn't a good and a bad side

There are bad apples on both sides of the scales

[snow scarab]

name something that has directly affect one of your rights guaranteed by the bill of rights from all 3 of those please. in my dms so none of us get in trouble

[left flax]

i would but i'd get called poor

[raw river]

No there isn't but at least Republicans aren't trying to make me pay for some dip fuck's college

[fickle bison]

My guy brainwashed by politicians to think people who think differently are evil or something

[fickle bison]

What about Mitch McConnell...

[raw river]

Again

I never said Republicans are good

[snow scarab]

they are instead banning books in classrooms and trying to make it so people can’t enjoy their lives by loving who they love

oh and making child marriage lefal

[fickle bison]

There are democratic politicians pushing for police reform, so why aren't you looking at the good progress

No more no-knock raids, more police accountability

Etc..

[raw river]

Bc for every 1 good thing they do they want drag shows in schools and try to groom kids into accepting mental illness

[fickle bison]

Bro, you're hella brainwashed lol

[twilit cape]

no hes right about that

[snow scarab]

who said they wants that?

[raw river]

You say I think people who think differently are evil but claim I'm brainwashed

[fickle bison]

I don't recall seeing that in my local or state poll, nor anyone voting anything similar to that

[raw river]

Bruh stop playing dumb

It's pathetic

[snow scarab]

i’m not, please tell me what politician said they want drag shows in school

there is a thing in texas where drag queens read little kids books to kindergarten and 1st grade

that’s been a thing since like the 80s btw

[raw river]

I'm not talking only politicians I'm including anyone who supports them

[snow scarab]

and gay has been a thing since the beginning of recorded history and is a natural occurrence

[raw river]

Yea and it's disgusting

[snow scarab]

how

[fickle bison]

Also drag shows aren't illegal. Many consider it weird but it's not illegal

[raw river]

It's men dressing up as women infront of kids

[snow scarab]

some dude dressed in crazy clothing and makeup reads clifford the big red dog

[snow scarab]

ok?

they don’t push it on the kids

[fickle bison]

And you play dress up larperator

[snow scarab]

he’s literally just reading a book

[raw river]

Keep em away from kids otherwise do what u want

[left flax]

We read fairy tales to kids, don't think men dressed as women are gonna fuck with them

[snow scarab]

you are insane i hope you know that

considering most drag queens are either A. gay, or B straight

[fickle bison]

You also gonna keep yourself away from kids too? Because I think that'd be a great idea

[snow scarab]

and take time out of their day just to read to kids

[raw river]

I'm not the one who supports grooming kids and 900 made up genders

[snow scarab]

what if it was some random 80 year old off the street?

[fickle bison]

Nobody is supporting that

Actually insane

[snow scarab]

HOW IS THAT SUPPORTING GROOMING KIDS????

please tell me

[raw river]

Nah shovl does

[fickle bison]

Schizo moment

[left flax]

Think you're brainwashed bud

[snow scarab]

how is having some dude dressed in crazy makeup and hair and shit reading to kids grooming them

[raw river]

It normalizes them

[snow scarab]

they literally read shit like clifford or little red riding hood

[snow scarab]

ok?

[raw river]

A man dressing as a woman is fucking weird

[left flax]

Normalising people being themselves

[snow scarab]

it’s been a thing for thousands of years

[raw river]

So we should normalize pedos since it's "being themselves?"

[misty mango]

[fickle bison]

So it dressing up a furry but you don't see me bitching about furry conventions

[snow scarab]

how the fuck does that make them pedos

[fickle bison]

Or a cosplay convention

[raw river]

I didn't say they were

[snow scarab]

but you literally did

[misty mango]

[left flax]

There's a big difference between people wearing what they want and being a p3do. God you're extreme asf

[raw river]

When did I say "drag queens are pedos"

Reply to where I said that

[left flax]

You're comparing them to p3dos

[fickle bison]

This line right here

[raw river]

Where in that sentence did drag queens come up

[snow scarab]

post kit fuckheads

this is getting real annoying

[raw river]

And where do I say pedo in that

[misty mango]

shut up

post kit

[left flax]

Shit MB

[raw river]

Yall are the ones who assume pedos=drag queens

Jesus democrats are delusional

[left flax]

Defemder

[misty mango]

kit posting hours

[left flax]

You are defo southern and rock yellow teeth huh

[left flax]

I like that patch

[misty mango]

of course you do

bing chilling

[left flax]

Sorry original gangsta :(

[raw river]

I am southern but I do have all my teeth unlike the meth addicts that are everywhere in cali

[misty mango]

meth is more of a florida thing

heroin is cali

[left flax]

I raise you my kinda rare SOBR issued VV vest

[left flax]

Southern detected

[misty mango]

when did you dig that up?

[left flax]

Saturday

I love it

[misty mango]

mad

[left flax]

All plated up now

[raw river]

You say that like it's a bad thing lol we have low rent lower crime and people here have manners with each other we just hate outsiders trying to change shit

[left flax]

Praise be I don't need plates here tho

[left flax]

Yeah well drag Queens are cool

[misty mango]

yk
id be saying shit but im literally on my last warning in this server

especially for politics

[left flax]

Dude you should see my warnings lmfao

[raw river]

Why should some city Yankee tell someone living in virgina how to live

[misty mango]

confix lad
can you just drop it?

[raw river]

Who gives a shit nobody here plays tarkov

[misty mango]

yeah
but i enjoy the irl channels

[fickle bison]

I want a bagarii vest

[misty mango]

(only reason i wanna stay)

[raw river]

Never understood being afraid of mods it just inflates their ego

[misty mango]

im not afraid of the mods
mainly why i push the limits

but again
id rather not get banned

[raw river]

Only one I respect is Kam cause he treats us like people

[left flax]

I'd love one too

[misty mango]

kam and kwon🙏

[raw river]

@obsidian wolf ordered the HRT 2 band yesterday

Who's kwon

[left flax]

The beaver though

Beaner*

Tasty

[misty mango]

kpop person

[left flax]

Also known as Kong clones

[raw river]

Never talked to them

[fickle bison]

Kwong

[misty mango]

i unironicaly want to get a little thigh rig
i dont know why

[left flax]

Woooah

[misty mango]

but the HSP one looks cool

[left flax]

I have a spare thigh rig (it's not a tactical gear rig)

[granite tartan]

That belt is wack im sorry dude ol

[misty mango]

i domt know if it will ever be useful or not

but it looks swanky

[left flax]

The square belt

[snow scarab]

it’s just a shooters belt

[granite tartan]

Yeah

its wack

[misty mango]

hmmmmmmmmm
i found a surplus site selling ex police surefire x300's for like £99

half the price of a TLR-1
just a bit worn

idk if it would be worth

[stuck hazel]

Post kit???

[misty mango]

post deez nuts

kit has been posted goober

[stuck hazel]

Kit

I’m obliged

[misty mango]

blicky

[left flax]

LIBK ME IT

SENT LIBK

L I n k

Pretty please✨

[left flax]

Holy mackerel

[misty mango]

https://www.dandbmilitaria.com/surefire-x300-weapon-light-ur-11

[twilit cape]

do they ship to the us

[left flax]

what the fish!

[misty mango]

it would probably be cheaper to find some second hand in the US

[twilit cape]

yea probable

[wind cave]

what do i look for when buying plates, i've been reading and i see PE, steel, ceramic etc

if i want lvl 4 plates, what material should i be looking for

[misty mango]

ceramic

RMA make some decent budget l4's

theyre just
as a few people in this channel say
"heavy"

theyre perfectly tolerable

hoplite and highcom are 2 other good ones

bit more spensive

[snow scarab]

ceramic. UHMWPE is more lvl 3

[misty mango]

seconded

[wind cave]

https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor-plate-model-1155/

?

is this the multi-curve?

[misty mango]

triple/multicurve plates are just amazing

[wind cave]

I don't see it saying multi-curve anywhere, so im guessing no

copy ty

yeah, i'll get em

ty guys

do you guys also have side plates in your pc?

[misty mango]

not really needed as a civ

[wind cave]

also anyone have any recommendations for good/comfortable padding for pc?

[timber linden]

NIJ compliant

[misty mango]

useful if theres a possibility of fragmentation/explosions
get em
if not
no need

[left flax]

Where's the rest of your name I miss the Level Badoingus or whatever it was :(

[misty mango]

name machine broke

[wind cave]

if theres possibility of that im fucked anyway

[misty mango]

real

[left flax]

Please fix it

[wind cave]

or any of this but ngl pc's are awesome

[misty mango]

no

[wind cave]

i'm excited to have it i guess im one of the larpers

[misty mango]

a good PC is just nice to have tbf

[wind cave]

agreed

[timber linden]

@wind cave you should get NIJ certified plates in my opinion

[left flax]

Pretty please ✨

[timber linden]

Yeah that makes sense, I’m just always cautious of companies making claims

[wind cave]

aren't the RMA ones NIJ compliant?

[timber linden]

Massive difference between NIJ compliant and tested but ANAEXE says gtg so @wind cave

[wind cave]

ty exe

[wind cave]

ahh gotchu

[timber linden]

@wind cave I would also just get the side plates man

[wind cave]

i will tbh

but i'll wait a while until i feel better about it

and then see a news story, and be like yk what i gotta enjoy life while i got it and spend money, and then do it. that's usually how it goes

[idle helm]

How much dose a decent pair go for never looked into it

[snow scarab]

i’m going to run them. realistically kevlar is fine

[wind cave]

idk where i got 80, i think that was some cheap pair i saw. seems like itll be basically the same price from RMA as the regular plates

[snow scarab]

all of RMAs lvl 4 plates are certified

[timber linden]

Depends on level and if you want NIJ certified

[timber linden]

It’s compliant not certified check it again

[snow scarab]

yes. i’ve checked the NIJ list, all 3 of their lvl 4 plates on the certification list for NIJ .06

they might be rf3 complaint but not certed

which none are .07 certed

[snow scarab]

does that not show that i’m right?

[timber linden]

I’m gonna see if you can figure this one out on your own

Look at the plates posted originally

[snow scarab]

yeah, 1155MC is still the 1155 plate

[timber linden]

Right

[snow scarab]

their lightweight plates are not certed

[timber linden]

What does MC stand for @snow scarab

[snow scarab]

multicurve

thats literally it

it’s the same plate just triple curve

[timber linden]

Okay so you understand they are two separate products?

[snow scarab]

no they are not, that’s not how it works

look at LTC

LTC has multiple versions of all plates they sell

[timber linden]

Are the multi curve plates certified?

[snow scarab]

yes they would be as they fall under the 1155 designation

being a variant of it does not mean it is not certed

it is the exact same plate, including weight wise

i hope you don’t trust hesco then

because unlike RMA, hesco routinely fails tests

[timber linden]

Except for what @snow scarab?

What makes the 1155 and 1155mc different?

[snow scarab]

literally just curves

[timber linden]

Okay right which makes it a separate product

[snow scarab]

either way i say fuck RMA and buy some LTC plates

[timber linden]

I’m not saying it’s shit armor and not to buy it

[snow scarab]

i trust LTC and hoplite over any other armor brand

[timber linden]

I simply said it wasn’t certified

Which it’s not

Hoplite lead times tho

[snow scarab]

military contracts will make your lead times go up

and buy from apex if it’s that big of a deal

[timber linden]

It’s not a big deal to me I’m just saying it should be brought up when recommending them

Usually gonna wait a month or so

[raw river]

I got 2 level IV plates for like 400 from apex

@timber linden https://www.apexarmorsolutions.com/product-page/two-hoplite-26225-26226-level-4-swimmer-plates

[timber linden]

8-12 week lead time is crazy

[plush topaz]

@raw river so cheap. Guess how much my hybrid 3+ plates were lol

[raw river]

how

wait

950 usd

[plush topaz]

900 Cad

That's like 650 us

[raw river]

Were they sapi or swimmer plates

[plush topaz]

Shooters cut

[raw river]

Jesus

[timber linden]

https://www.hoplitearmor.com/products/side-plate-level-iv-6x6

4-6 week lead time

Bro what is this Instagram

[snow scarab]

i’m dumb

what carrier?

[plush compass]

TV110 with an extra 3 mag pouches, one big admin pouch and a LMG box pouch with feed lips

All pouches are either wartec or mordortac

[snow scarab]

gross

russians

that’s terrible considering most of the stitching is garbage

especially wartech

[proud hazel]

@snow scarab

[snow scarab]

yessir

[coarse laurel]

ooof

saw the payment method lol

[snow scarab]

😂

[proud hazel]

its a debit card

i dont actually have a credit card

[proud hazel]

dude they did mess up my order tho

[snow scarab]

how

[proud hazel]

the tube i bought was sold and not marked out of inventory

[snow scarab]

bruh

[proud hazel]

so they found a close tube, and sent me a bunch of free shit

and also called and asked if the spec was good enough

[proud hazel]

no custom night vision

[snow scarab]

gross ass rail

[proud hazel]

idk man, you can get a saint edge for that now

[snow scarab]

what in the fuck

[proud hazel]

monolithic rail, pretty heavy too

they seem to be ok, just normally overpriced and kinda weird niche

actually get the sig @obsidian wolf

[verbal karma]

The gun is based on an idea to build an AR out like a bolt action chassis. Basically the rail is only connected to the lower and the upper/barrel are separated

Think AR-15 in an MDT chassis

Like many things it’s a cool idea Springfield just bought the rights to

[snow scarab]

gross

[timber fog]

Not sure about that one, the stitching on my wartech d3 clone is actually pretty nice

Lots of double stitching, and bar-tacking where you want it

Even triple or quad stitched in certain spots

[proud hazel]

no

well kinda

[granite tartan]

Should I get an s&s V-lite

[snow scarab]

not if you don’t need it

which how likely are you go do work with NODs, let alone other who have them

[granite tartan]

@snow scarab often

And it’s for others to see me

I want a blue one for my helmet

[plush topaz]

You are such a gear whurr

Fun fact. I only found out what those were recently. They always looked like oversized nail clippers to me lmao

[verbal karma]

I’m familiar with the design. It was something Springfield bought from another company

I don’t remember the original maker

I think it was like KRG or something?

[proud hazel]

It does seem something krg would do

Or even mdt tbh

[verbal karma]

It was a really small company

Like two shot shows ago

[snow scarab]

lol

y’all out here making me wanna spend my bonus on a helmet and shit

did you know nails are fucking expensive

cause fuck me

60 bucks

both hands

i should’ve prefaced i meant like fingernails 💀

😂😂😂😂

this mf the reason i can’t save money rn

[verbal karma]

get a thermal

[snow scarab]

i got like a grand to play with here lol

[verbal karma]

TS19-256

[sand rover]

esstac shooter belt vs AWS labs?

[snow scarab]

AWS labs

but the SMU is nice af

[sand rover]

if I'm not gonna really use the molle, is the smu really worth it over labs?

[sand rover]

cus it's like 60 bucks more

almost double the cost

[snow scarab]

i mean the molle is gonna be way more stable of a platform

[sand rover]

than using one wrap?

[snow scarab]

yeah

[sand rover]

it's gonna be locked in by the whole belt assembly

[snow scarab]

yes but it’s less likely to move around on you

[sand rover]

wouldn't it be the opposite though, since it uses negative molle?

or half molle, whatever they call it

[snow scarab]

you mean molle vs over the belt?

[sand rover]

one wrap would have no wiggle

[snow scarab]

it still gives you the ability to lock it into place and where it’s at vs without the molle when it’s just the outer belt shit can slide a bit

[sand rover]

if you're using velcro and it's sliding you've fucked up

ngl

[snow scarab]

i don’t think you get what you are using

or what i’m saying

you have your inner and outer belt right?

when the outer is disconnected from the inner with a shooters belt, shit slides, i’ve noticed this from using the esstac

mainly cause i’m using clips

but it’s going to be way more secure if you use molle and you have zero worry of it coming lose

[sand rover]

you do know one wrap is velcro right?

https://youtu.be/KmMFxnpWaow

[snow scarab]

i didn’t know that’s what you meant by one wrap

[sand rover]

well at least you're on the same page :) 👍

[sand rover]

that being said then

smu worth double the cost of labs if I'm not using the molle

?

[snow scarab]

i still feel a molle belt is better. i simply bought this so i could have a belt lol. it’s going to be handed down anyways

i mean at that point no i guess

[sand rover]

I didn't think so, but sometimes I don't have all the info

[verbal karma]

Drake Industries Athena

[thin apex]

They look a little better in person

But not bad for 65 year old nods

[carmine cloak]

Mystery "Amulet" vest by Polibrus. Know pretty much nothing about but that it was most likely made for private security use in Russia in late 90s to early 2000.

[proud hazel]

Yea but where they have an illumator on any one else with nods can see them from miles away

[proud hazel]

Cool, thank you

[raw river]

My new cummerbund gets here tomorrow

[granite tartan]

Bro what the fuck is that

Man…

[granite tartan]

What bnvd

Get 1431mk2

They’re good

Not worth it

All l3 units are rejects too

[granite tartan]

They’re good

But

Not worth the price

[verbal karma]

They’re not rejects lol

This guy don’t know the difference between “surplus” and “reject”

In some cases they’re not even 2nd picks

Like for example TNVC does their own contracts with L3

Thus their “supergain” tubes

As opposed to buying surplus tubes

[granite tartan]

Pvs-31A wasn’t even a consulted product

It was the brain child of engineers

I think the pvs-31D is

[verbal karma]

PVS-31A breaks easy

I’ve seen it happen

[granite tartan]

PVS-31A are also bad

[verbal karma]

Eh

Depends on the tube

[granite tartan]

Pvs-31D are cool

I prefer mil spec optics

[verbal karma]

NV is 90% the tube

[granite tartan]

Cool, what nigjt vision you use

Man s&s precision is sick

@low fox also manta vs hellstar I reached out to s&s to buy a few lights. They’re sending them to me for free

[verbal karma]

I’ve used PVS-31A and PVS-14s for various things

[granite tartan]

Oh neet

What do you own

[verbal karma]

What do you own?

[granite tartan]

I don’t own nods

Why would I waste money

[verbal karma]

Even if you did it wouldn’t mean you knew anything about them

Ownership means nothing but ownership

[granite tartan]

So true

Don’t own nods?

[verbal karma]

Then why even try and play some dumb gotcha game

[granite tartan]

I didn’t

I was asking what nods you own

[verbal karma]

No I own a TWS

But not I2 tubes

[granite tartan]

Ah

Why no nods

[verbal karma]

I haven’t made it a priority to save up for them yet

[granite tartan]

What toobs would you buy if you did

[verbal karma]

And thermal is more useful for hunting

Well

[granite tartan]

I only used a handheld thermal

Not crazy about thermal

[verbal karma]

That’s a tricky question

[granite tartan]

But I need to get my hands on an expensive one

To see if my opinion changes

[snow scarab]

you buyin a plate frame?

[verbal karma]

I would contact one of the sellers and request a unit with the highest SNR they have for a given FOM

[granite tartan]

No

[verbal karma]

With lowest halo and manageable EBI

[granite tartan]

Ebi don’t matter that much

[verbal karma]

Yes and no

You’re correct

[granite tartan]

As long as it’s not super high

You won’t notice a difference if you have a high SNR

My left tube is like 37.2SNR

1.0 EBI

Right tube is like .3 and 34

Look identical

[verbal karma]

IMO order of importance is:

Halo
SNR
EBI
LPPM

[granite tartan]

Specs don’t matter that much

[verbal karma]

True

[granite tartan]

I’m in that believe

[verbal karma]

But if I can pick

[granite tartan]

Fair

I have bnvd1531

Great unit

[verbal karma]

I thought you said you didn’t own nods?

Or is this a unit thing?

[granite tartan]

I was being a dick

I’m sorry

[verbal karma]

Ah

You’re good

I get it a lot of people talk out their ass

[granite tartan]

Spending anything past like $8k on nods is pointless

The performance increase you literally can’t tell

And supergain tubes are a meme

[verbal karma]

Oh right I’ve also run PVS-7

Those suck dick

[granite tartan]

Just get 1431mk2

With elbit

And spend the rest of the money on a Wilcox Xe

[granite tartan]

My coworker uses a pvs7

[verbal karma]

Passive aiming FTW

[granite tartan]

Passive aiming with a 1.93 is nice

[verbal karma]

Lasers get you kilt in duh streetz

[granite tartan]

Based

@obsidian wolf I’m letting you know

[verbal karma]

What was it that British volunteer in Ukraine said?

[granite tartan]

For nods best of the best is not a thing

All tubes have their own problems

They’re analogue and hand made

@verbal karma should I go on a night hike tonight

[verbal karma]

“One guy accidentally left his laser on and didn’t believe me when I told him. My only thought was ‘oh great now we’re going to get shelled all night’”

[granite tartan]

Heh

[verbal karma]

If there’s anything to be learned from Ukraine it’s “fight like it’s WW1”

[granite tartan]

But yeah honestly a thermal scope is more useful

[verbal karma]

Don’t bring your phone or even a radio and passive aim everything

They’re both good for different things

Every time I’m backpacking I wish I had I2 tubes

Every time I’m hunting I wish I had the TWS

I just got my TWS tho

[granite tartan]

What’s an l2

[verbal karma]

I2 is a commonly used abbreviation of “image intensifier”

Fun fact: my grandpa has literally decades of experience with I2 tubes

They use photocathode tubes in diagnostic imaging

And he used to be the lead engineer at a cancer research institute

[granite tartan]

How much you pay🛞

[verbal karma]

$1200

I got an AGM unit

[plush topaz]

@granite tartan my buddy recommended the shittiest housing to me

[granite tartan]

Hmm

[plush topaz]

https://coldharboursupply.com/products/nocturn-industries-tanto-monocular

[granite tartan]

Lol

Yeah that thing is bad

[plush topaz]

Fixed gain. No IR

Wtf is this

[granite tartan]

It’s worse cause the nitrogen from the tube leaks

[plush topaz]

Like cool you can bridge them

Yay

Garbage

[granite tartan]

👍

[misty mango]

do you really need IR on your tube?

slap an IR light on your weapon or helmet

[plush topaz]

No but it's something I'm used to

I've never used nods that didn't have at least a small emitter

[snow scarab]

it’s sketch rn and looks goofy but it works

[plush topaz]

Felt cute?

I love the gigantic shears

Imagine you go to change mags but accidentally load scissors

[snow scarab]

wdym giant

lmfao

nah it’s pretty easy to use

[misty mango]

not sure if im a fan of how high the mag on your belt sits

feel like it might interfere if you lean

idk

[snow scarab]

i thought it would be a problem

not really

[misty mango]

hm

also is that a TRMP?

[snow scarab]

yeah

TRMP-C

[misty mango]

nice

been thinking of getting one to replace my D3 micro for placard use

[snow scarab]

and the rifle. with entrances from my phallus and yoda

[misty mango]

how good is the front elastic for holding mags and shit

[snow scarab]

pretty damn good

[misty mango]

especially the open ones

[snow scarab]

almost too tight

but the normal ones are nice

just takes some getting used to

[misty mango]

i can imagine

most things take a bit of getting used to

[snow scarab]

@low fox judge me dad

[plush topaz]

@snow scarab where pistol?

[snow scarab]

19

[misty mango]

also im sure they'll loosen up over time

ive seen guys with BFG tenspeeds hold the shape of a mag without one inserted💀

[snow scarab]

😂

[plush topaz]

I prefer flaps for my magazine pouches.

But for home and range use I just use my spiritus placard

[snow scarab]

do it mf

yeah. had to take the pouch off

plus i like to run my side plates far forwards

that’s where it’s supposed to be run isn’t it?

like up against the front plate

[granite tartan]

I emailed them asking for a leo discount cause I wanted to try something

And they just wrote me

“Send me an adress, we’ll send you a sample”

Solid dudes

[snow scarab]

lucky fucken

bruh. i want free shit 😂

[raw river]

SMH pigs abusing their power

[granite tartan]

Literally

[granite tartan]

Be a cop

Aquire free shit

Honestly

It’s nice frankly

[snow scarab]

i could probably message them saying i’m army and they would do it

[granite tartan]

Cause I make 0 money

[snow scarab]

did they even ask for proof?

[granite tartan]

I’ll dm you the chain

Don’t let it out pls

[snow scarab]

aight

[raw river]

Why can't I ghetto carry in pz

[granite tartan]

Send me a strobe

Pls

❤️

I am poverty stricken

Kill ‘em

Steal it

Send it to me

You seen these

Fuck

Hold up

[snow scarab]

i want free shit 🥲

[granite tartan]

Same

[cinder stream]

Mine are at that point a little bit

[granite tartan]

Enjoyer

[proud hazel]

i just like my kydex pouches

[snow scarab]

this

[granite tartan]

Kydex for belt flap for chest

[sand rover]

I use g-code scorpion pouches

cus I swap platforms

and mag pouches are harder to get good quality for ak mags

this may be a mistake, but they've been workin so far

[proud hazel]

kydex for all

i still want

a trmp or what ever

@snow scarab how is that one going for you?

[snow scarab]

love it

[sand rover]

radio?

[snow scarab]

not running one as of rn

i have the airlite pouch for it tho

[sand rover]

where you takin the rig usually?

[proud hazel]

based

[snow scarab]

when i get one i’ll have to move my side plates

[proud hazel]

now it is confirmed i should get one

[snow scarab]

as of rn just the range but it’s my SHTF and work kit for the army in a couple months

[sand rover]

make sure to get your nav shit together

you know what I'm sayin?

[snow scarab]

yeah

i’m pretty decent at land nav

[sand rover]

that reminds me, what's that garmin unit I see everybody and their mother using for gps?

[snow scarab]

no clue lol

[proud hazel]

help me then

i picked out this shit to start to learn land nav

but the map is 1:75,000

and i think you need like 1:24,000

[sand rover]

local maps are usually available online

[snow scarab]

^^

i’m good with army level land nav lol

[sand rover]

I haven't needed map since I went hunting once or twice, like, almost a decade ago

[proud hazel]

yea i downloaded some from the usgs

[sand rover]

should brush up

[sand rover]

print them

[proud hazel]

i will but they are like small

i want to have more on 1 paper and to print out a 2 foot by 4 foot is like $75

[sand rover]

at that point buy a map set

or something

[proud hazel]

i might just print out the dumb 8.5x11.5 maps and laminate them together

but they have this stupid shit all over them

[proud hazel]

that is the same thing as what i am needing

and i dont know shit

is that compass ok

[snow scarab]

i’ve only used the issued compasses

lemme try to find one

[proud hazel]

look at the sunnoto a10

i have a feeling that might be close

[snow scarab]

Land Nav Kit with Lensatic Compass, Protractor, Pace Counter & Map Markers https://a.co/d/3ZiNOtQ

[proud hazel]

oh thats a shitty compass

[snow scarab]

not really

allows you to shoot azimuths way more accurate

radians and degrees

Cammenga Official US Military Phosphorescent Lensatic Compass, Olive Drab Accurate Waterproof Hand Held Compasses with Pouch for Hiking Camping Navigation Survival Backpacking Orienteering https://a.co/d/gHdInf6

this is the actual one

[proud hazel]

the compass i have is as good as far as that goes, and better for measuring as you dont need a protractor

[snow scarab]

you don’t need a protractor to measure it?

it just gives you the basic tools needed

[proud hazel]

you kinda do

but my compass is as good as far as azimuths goes from what i am seeing

and better because you can use it for a protractor

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001UE6MLG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

here

any ways do you have any tips @snow scarab

[snow scarab]

do your math 3 times whenever plotting points

sometimes when you get off course following your gut can be either a great decision or a terrible decision

if you ever get lost or forget your numbers use the sun based on the time

and reshoot off of it

[covert tinsel]

Finally got it

[proud hazel]

all right thanks dog

[plush topaz]

Welcome to navigation my child

I was battalion navigator

[proud hazel]

I have no knowledge and all I have to go off of is a book from Amazon, when ever that stuff gets here

[plush topaz]

Awesome. It's really fun

[proud hazel]

cool cant wait to get lost backpacking

[plush topaz]

Pro tip. On a clear night, you can always use the Cassiopea constellation to find north.

[proud hazel]

cool now to find what that is

[snow scarab]

💀

[plush topaz]

In our part of the world anyway

As long as it isn't a dunes desert

[proud hazel]

mine is nice and flat

[plush topaz]

I thought you were being serious when you said it's fun. Because I think it is.

Fun!

[snow scarab]

fort leonard wood nav courses can die

[plush topaz]

Depends on the type of desert

But yes. That's why I said I hate dunes Becuase they change

So your topographic map is worthless

You heavily rely on topography to navigate desert. And if it's completely flat then you're effed lol

Make sure you calculate your distances properly ahead of time

[covert tinsel]

Seeing those photos makes me miss the desert heat a bit

[plush topaz]

Yeah not everyone is cut out for it. We did something similar. The best navigators were given that role. The worst became spotters

[stuck hazel]

Their shit is just worse. Objectively worse. I’m every way.

[granite tartan]

Pc looks good, that belt still wack

[timber fog]

Question for the rusfor geardos:
What’s the deal with Kula Tactical? Any of you guys order off there before?

I’m having a hard time figuring out how legit they are

[plush topaz]

@timber fog I've heard of people ordering from there.

Long wait times and I'm not sure how they process payment now

[timber fog]

I don’t mind waiting, and as long as they don’t run off with people’s money I’m not too worried about the payment processing either

I’m moreso focused on the gear itself

Looks like everything I want on there is from a brand called “Profarmy”