all that weight
#irl-gear
snow scarab
yes and it’s been proven those will still wear through in 2-3 rounds
also, that’s a fuck ton of weight compared to a ceramic
snow scarab
ceramics can weigh as little as 4.6 pounds while most level 4 steels are running around 10-12 pounds. add 2 trauma plates, and that’s another couple pounds. also trauma plates normally aren’t ballistic and don’t cover the top of the steel plate which is where all the shrapnel likes to go
there are literally videos from ukraine of guys wearing steel, the round stops on the steel, and they have to TQ their arm
misty mango
shrap going sideways is a little less fun
it can hit your arms and mates
and shrap in arms can be bad with arteries
snow scarab
and don’t get me started on the fact that if you can even fit two trauma plates behind a steel plate, your carrier will be ripping at the seams. and a steel plate with one trauma plate has waaayyyy too much wiggle room
plush topaz
All you guys talk about is armour
There's so much more gear to discuss
What about tactical port o potties
snow scarab
What about tactical port o potties
i keep one of those in my rucks for fields
like legit
left flax
8/10
muted gate
someone wanna talk me out of buying something from vajraconcepts
i know its airsoft tier
but its got my funny camo
snow scarab
but its got my funny camo
😑 which one?
muted gate
😑 which one?
granite
snow scarab
😂
muted gate
look, i just paid a Vietnamese ARVN nerd 200 bucks for shit
left flax
9/10
misty mango
shit in the cannon
muted gate
plush topaz
https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/13/5b/1e/3c/clear-shot-t...
You.... Shat on a US war memorial?
muted gate
also no, its fort putnam up in west point
low fox
Pffft brand freaking new eotech xps3-2 for $200 off MSRP, holy shit ballin. I looked at all the images and it doesn't have a light diode (meaning its not a chinese red dot dressed up as an eotech). Mercari has some legit stuff on there holy hell
stuck hazel
Still expensive as fuck but it’s certainly better
left flax
eotech 💀
stuck hazel
you 💀
stuck hazel
So are you
misty mango
we're all cringe brits here
stuck hazel
I’m just a Brit who needs shoulder pads for his 6094
snow scarab
now mount those comms on your helmet and you are good lol
granite tartan
@snow scarab waiting on the amp arms
The amp headband is garbage
$100 and it’s already worn the fuck iut
stuck hazel
buy an AVS
left flax
Do not the avs
left flax
I have an AVS and confirm, do not the avs
stuck hazel
In ars arma I trust
they have a website, on that website are about twelve clones, all of which more expensive than the actual thing
ars arma is comedy
left flax
they have a website, on that website are about twelve clones, all of which more ...
Yes but I love supporting Russia by giving them my money!!!!!!! 1!!!
stuck hazel
i bet they really appreciate you for it
left flax
They do, I recieve thank you cards
stuck hazel
eat balls
left flax
Ligma bolls
granite tartan
Do not the avs
Give me avs
granite tartan
JPC gang is not very cool
avs like $700
stuck hazel
avs like $700
its not if you look hard enough
ive seen one like two minutes ago for 300
in the fucking UK
you are lucky to find a JPC under 200 here
timber cargo
stuck hazel
Osprey 🤮
misty mango
no matter how mid the osprey rigs were
the fully built ones are fucking amazing for winter
stuck hazel
yeah fair enough
cons: bad overall layout, generally cumbersome
pros: comfy, lots of molle space, relatively salable
misty mango
and pretty solid protection
fluid plover
@fickle bisonHiya don't post ads please
fickle bison
<@127516792896749568>Hiya don't post ads please
My bad, trynna help a guy out
No avs for him I guess
left flax
You did a fucky wucky
plush topaz
Still expensive as fuck but it’s certainly better
Stop being poor
covert lark
storm peak
Trying to find an avs
Just go to mil surp stores around ft bragg. Seem them johns all the time
storm peak
I have an AVS and confirm, do not the avs
Like an actual legit avs or one of those clones?
Because I will say that the avs bridle is cash money
Makes it super snug
stuck hazel
Like an actual legit avs or one of those clones?
Clone, his is an Ars arma
left flax
Clone, his is an Ars arma
I like it, it does its job for what I need it
granite tartan
Hot
left flax
And, it's one of the comfiest carriers I've worn. If not, the most
granite tartan
Is that where you got yours?
left flax
Put your dogs away bro
misty mango
the only feet we respect up in this channel are mikes when he spits on his gear
left flax
^
snow scarab
Is that where you got yours?
he got issued his 😆
granite tartan
Fuck steal me one
snow scarab
😂
snow scarab
i might get to keep my iotv when my unit closes
granite tartan
Iotv is garbage tho
snow scarab
which i’m definitely gonna sell that shit
snow scarab
Iotv is garbage tho
exactly. sell that shit to some larper and get 1.2k for it and then buy AVS
granite tartan
Based
snow scarab
Simple math
snow scarab
Based
that or depending i might but an avs base, and then buy lightweight plates and shit or possibly a helmet
misty mango
me and the boys shitposting over comms
misty mango
aint the harness like the main selling point of it?
misty mango
(i aint very versed in the AVS)
storm peak
The bridle is really nice in the avs tho
snow scarab
or AVS for army shit. cause the unit im going to actually follows ar670-1
actually, tabris, do you think the SPC would fit 670 with a back panel?
also gas is 2.96 and it’s glorious
storm peak
also gas is 2.96 and it’s glorious
AND IM MISSING IT??
snow scarab
lmao
storm peak
actually, tabris, do you think the SPC would fit 670 with a back panel?
Dog I don't know gear lmfao
snow scarab
only in missouri and kansas basically
snow scarab
Dog I don't know gear lmfao
mf ain’t you an NCO? 😂
storm peak
mf ain’t you an NCO? 😂
I know gear issued stuff but that super fancy cots crye stuff is well over my head
stuck hazel
I like it, it does its job for what I need it
Still a rip off
stuck hazel
Nevermind them
Here I am thinking he paid 500 for a Ruski AVS
6094 is all year all conditions
Anything anywhere
Well worth the £100 shipping…
misty mango
snow scarab
6094 is all year all conditions
is it?
snow scarab
it’s an LBT
left flax
he got it for ~150
^
snow scarab
only thing i’d get from lbt is a slick
stuck hazel
why..
snow scarab
they are THE best low pro carrier maker
stuck hazel
i got the low profile, which is just the slick with molle on the front
snow scarab
their other stuff is kind of eh
stuck hazel
6094 being one of the most proven PCs out there
SF have been rocking it for gone a decade now
misty mango
dont sf run crye
snow scarab
SF? SF uses the AVS
misty mango
yeah
snow scarab
all of USASOCOM is
misty mango
i havent seen one SF op using the 6094
snow scarab
army special operations
stuck hazel
you still see people rocking the 6094,
stuck hazel
i havent seen one SF op using the 6094
literally the plate carrier used by the SEALs when they took bin laden
stuck hazel
...
misty mango
theyre tier 2
snow scarab
they are SOF
and are tier 2
whereas SF is 1
they are on the same level as rangers
stuck hazel
so you would not consider seal team 6 to be SF?
stuck hazel
ST 6 took bin laden no?
snow scarab
yes they did
stuck hazel
ST 6 ran the 6094
stuck hazel
right
snow scarab
completely different roles too
stuck hazel
dude stop fucking around with loop holes
snow scarab
st6 is tier 1 tho
stuck hazel
this shit is utterly counter productive
UKSF have been rocking 6094s for a while now but are, like everyone, switching to crye
CPCs and shit
snow scarab
i’m just informing the uninformed
stuck hazel
of shit that i really dont care about
the point of this conversation is "who is using the 6094"
misty mango
having spoke to a guy that worked with SBS 5 years ago
they weren't rocking LBT
snow scarab
i’ll explain better when i get home
stuck hazel
if i amend my initial statement and say "sof" then can we talk about the plate carrier
stuck hazel
having spoke to a guy that worked with SBS 5 years ago
they weren't rocking LBT
...
that is such useful and reliable information dude im glad you shared
misty mango
yw
stuck hazel
UKSF in Afghanistan
The PC in the middle is an LBT 6094
The PC on the left might be but brother has too much shit on it for me to confirm
misty mango
one lad with an LBT
misty mango
one source of one guy using an item doesn't mean that the UKSF use em
just so happens that theres one in use
misty mango
privately owned
stuck hazel
there is a 6094
misty mango
SF have been rocking it for gone a decade now
one guy
stuck hazel
Il find more
If you so please
That’s two
Left guy isn’t UKSF but it’s still there
misty mango
the one on the left doesn't look like a 6094
stuck hazel
ST6 6094
stuck hazel
the one on the left doesn't look like a 6094
It doesn’t your right but he isn’t UKSF so 
There’s a bit of text on the UKSF bit
SBS with 6094s 🤓
Devgru
The list pretty much covers all of teir one and teir two, whether issued or personally acquired
“Upper Teir two and teir one” being what I meant initially when referring to sf
Because my ass forgot that it’s was such a delicate term…
unique pilot
mmac is fire
timber fog
Seriously
lean oasis
I am da weapon
supple void
@lean oasis why u tryna look cool in a lifesize barbie house bro lmfao
lean oasis
<@507514475557945344> why u tryna look cool in a lifesize barbie house bro lmfao
looks at your pfp
supple void
@lean oasis i wasnt the one that took that or set that, but u chose to take that pic in that barbie house
lean oasis
you seriously trying to say anything against ma pruple ass walls?
im sorry that my wifey works as a daycare mom
supple void
just friendly banter man lmao and no but the door and pile of stuffies says playhouse
lean oasis
ma door is cool >:c
supple void
it looks like a barbie mansion set
lean oasis
its loud and heavie af and the lock needs a workover but issa cool 😛
maybe because i live in a mansion :x
supple void
nice homie lmao
supple void
yeah man i gotchu, i have a 1 year old and the room is fuckin full of toys
lean oasis
i dont like kids but my wife does so if she cant have one shell work with them
supple void
ahhhh i get u lmfao but im goin to bed bro since battlestate did the same thing they always do, night man
empty sorrel
that or depending i might but an avs base, and then buy lightweight plates and s...
If the plates are post 2012, you won't find anything civ-accessable that's better
Depending on what generation, the iotv will be worth 250 to $800, depending on condition and completeness
snow scarab
Depending on what generation, the iotv will be worth 250 to $800, depending on c...
complete unused gen 3
empty sorrel
I'd say 400-$500 then
I mean the Kevlar that should be in the sides and front and back
snow scarab
yes i got that
along with all the different 3a shit like the butt pad, dick flap, neck protector, and i feel like i’m missing one name
low mulch
marom dolphin amran vest
snow scarab
wtf is that
low mulch
vest
snow scarab
it looks like something you’d find on an airsofter 😂
low mulch
lmao
empty sorrel
yes i got that
What hard plates have you got
empty sorrel
Huh
snow scarab
i’m NG
empty sorrel
Sounds like somebody needs to make friends with the armorer
snow scarab
i fucking wish. mf is never around
low mulch
ass vest
empty sorrel
Plates would be a nice score if you get any
empty sorrel
marom dolphin amran vest
Imagine unironically using a valady sight
low mulch
Imagine unironically using a valady sight
?
snow scarab
Plates would be a nice score if you get any
bro if i got a pair of ESAPIs imma keep that shit lol
empty sorrel
Is that not one of those Russian fake eotechs?
low mulch
its a meprolight m5 sight
snow scarab
Is that not one of those Russian fake eotechs?
it’s an israeli rifle so probably not
empty sorrel
Oh is that that 🇮🇱 company I've heard of
Yeah
I guess they would want to make something domestic
low mulch
side pic of the m5 sight
snow scarab
those atrocious ass boots
empty sorrel
low mulch
i got so much problem with my feet bc of them
empty sorrel
Looks kinda like this
snow scarab
ironically, russia likes to say they only use russian made or ally made parts but they use eotechs for spetsnaz
empty sorrel
We do the same, we just have the military budget to back it up
Didn't f-35 production get halted for like a few months because there was this one random piece of metal that was actually secretly coming from china?
low mulch
sight pic of the m5
stuck hazel
6094 superiority, again
empty sorrel
sight pic of the m5
Well that confirms it's not russian, it's not blue as fuck
low mulch
6094 superiority, again
love the left AR
empty sorrel
6094 superiority, again
6094 gang
snow scarab
Didn't f-35 production get halted for like a few months because there was this o...
yup
snow scarab
love the left AR
it’s not an AR 😂
stuck hazel
Was somebody trashing the 6094?
yeah dw dw
stuck hazel
it’s not an AR 😂
shshshshs
low mulch
lmao what is it then
snow scarab
Was somebody trashing the 6094?
another dude was, i just corrected him on differences of SOF
snow scarab
lmao what is it then
airshit
empty sorrel
The totally original Jewish rifle that is in no way related to any American rifle
Or that
low mulch
The totally original Jewish rifle that is in no way related to any American rifl...
we use usa gov m4a1s
empty sorrel
we
snow scarab
6094 gang
are you in the army? or just really like surplus?
i’m guessing the first one
empty sorrel
Nope
snow scarab
SOCOM just gets them a little earlier
empty sorrel
Soft can get spear plates
*SOF
Standalone, usually worse multi-hit performance, but significantly lighter
low mulch
the shitty gear boots get
empty sorrel
I love me some m81
snow scarab
well i mean one of the guys in here with a group got issued those same plates and i just have one generation before
empty sorrel
Post supressor
It's in jail 😩
snow scarab
i have gen iv plates
empty sorrel
snow scarab
reason i ask though is cause you even got out shitty camelbak attached to that shit for some reason
empty sorrel
well i mean one of the guys in here with a group got issued those same plates an...
You sure that wasn't the newer gen 3 esabi line? They look similar, but those are still icw
snow scarab
and the big boy medic IFAK
empty sorrel
*esapi
stuck hazel
what are the waiting times like for form 4s these days?
snow scarab
yes
empty sorrel
reason i ask though is cause you even got out shitty camelbak attached to that s...
It was $12 😂
Can't get shit at that price new
empty sorrel
You've got the Gen 4 plates?
snow scarab
You sure that wasn't the newer gen 3 esabi line? They look similar, but those ar...
lemme find the pic
empty sorrel
They should be the same as the Gen 5, just a smidge heavier, at least based off the nsn info
Although honestly if you got it from some other guy, he probably got it from the body armor discord I'm in
We've basically got a group of all of the dedicated body armor autists in one place
We've got it all
Xsapis, esapis, eTSA, liba, adept, you name it
snow scarab
Although honestly if you got it from some other guy, he probably got it from the...
i’m talking what i’m issued
snow scarab
also i’ve been wanting to look at XSAPIs
empty sorrel
empty sorrel
I mean realistically speaking they're just a marginally thicker esapi
empty sorrel
Odd, that's a different font, though it still does have the Lockheed Martin inspection speaker at the bottom, so it's probably legit. I wonder if it's a different manufacturer or if it is still LTC
I've seen a few new manufacturers for the new esabies, so it's believable
The names are escaping me right now but they've been around for a little while, just hadn't seen them on military plates before
snow scarab
if i have time to take pics of my plates at the next range i will
empty sorrel
I think velocity systems was one of them
muted gate
i need to buy new plates
empty sorrel
i need to buy new plates
Do you want something light or do you want to threatmax
snow scarab
I think velocity systems was one of them
yes they do
they sell the ESAPIs for MIL only
granite tartan
“Nice as fuck”
empty sorrel
I've got one of their slap plates
empty sorrel
But yeah you can get just about any fucking military plate if you know where to look
granite tartan
I gotta get comms set up
snow scarab
ironically military grade body armor is actually top tier
granite tartan
Devious
empty sorrel
Glock 🤮
snow scarab
that, night vision, and bullet resistant vehicles
empty sorrel
ironically military grade body armor is actually top tier
I mean, there are some more niche civilian manufacturers that are stepping it up
snow scarab
only good things for military grade
muted gate
Do you want something light or do you want to threatmax
im just gonna nab RMA again
granite tartan
the gen 5 ones are fine
snow scarab
I mean, there are some more niche civilian manufacturers that are stepping it up
yes but they can be over a thousand per plate. meanwhile i can go to velocity and get a gen v for like 770 iirc
granite tartan
And people who bitch about handgun triggers don’t shoot
snow scarab
im just gonna nab RMA again
cheap cheap or the multi curve?
granite tartan
All striker triggers are garbage
granite tartan
cheap cheap or the multi curve?
Multi cuuuurve
empty sorrel
I love my FNX 45
muted gate
All striker triggers are garbage
muti
snow scarab
lol
granite tartan
I love my FNX 45
Fucking lmaO
@snow scarab loves how he shits on glock and owns a fnx 45
Ffs
snow scarab
they also weigh like 2.something times less
granite tartan
You use rma 1155?
empty sorrel
FN trigger is just better
muted gate
I dont need plates, they are only for "oh shit i need plates"
snow scarab
just do tannerite plates, duh
granite tartan
FN trigger is just better
👍
muted gate
kek
snow scarab
take out 4 people with one shot
muted gate
I cant justify spending the HESCO price
granite tartan
I’m going to listen to your opinion, and form my own about your opinions
Hesco mid tier plates aren’t good
empty sorrel
Honestly Glocks get a lot of hate just because there are more popular than I think they deserve to be, but for the most part they're perfectly fine
granite tartan
Honestly Glocks get a lot of hate just because there are more popular than I thi...
👍
snow scarab
i saw some dude legit trying to explain why tannerite plates are valid. “well it stops them from getting i for from you” yeah it also kills anybody around you
granite tartan
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
granite tartan
i saw some dude legit trying to explain why tannerite plates are valid. “well it...
Explosive reactive armor
muted gate
i saw some dude legit trying to explain why tannerite plates are valid. “well it...
also, i have yet to buy my carrier lamo
snow scarab
I cant justify spending the HESCO price
send me money and i’ll buy you velocity plates
empty sorrel
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
That's fair
snow scarab
also, i have yet to buy my carrier lamo
bruh💀
empty sorrel
You can usually get a 6094 for like 200 bucks used
granite tartan
You can also get something more modern for that price
muted gate
im going with the spitfire so cope mike
empty sorrel
That'll get you a lot of options without having to spend a ton of money to add stuff down the line
snow scarab
oh i never sent in a pic of my completed for now spc
empty sorrel
I mean isn't everything completed for now
snow scarab
i still need to add more to it but it’s basics are covered
muted gate
Imagine not rocking shit that is 50 years old 
granite tartan
i still need to add more to it but it’s basics are covered
Praise allah
empty sorrel
They do be body armors
What plates btw
granite tartan
Hesco 3810s
snow scarab
pretty much only thing necessary is side plates and the molle back panel from crye and comms
granite tartan
pretty much only thing necessary is side plates and the molle back panel from cr...
Looks good
empty sorrel
I'mma be honest, RMA is still kind of on my shit list
granite tartan
How you liking it?
granite tartan
I'mma be honest, RMA is still kind of on my shit list
Rma is still the best bang for the buck plate
muted gate
pretty much only thing necessary is side plates and the molle back panel from cr...
speaking of Engies, clearence paperwork is filled out 💀
empty sorrel
Rma is still the best bang for the buck plate
I can still hate things that are good bang for the buck
Like Glocks
granite tartan
Glocks aren’t bang for the buck
snow scarab
I can still hate things that are good bang for the buck
certified level 4 for 150 a plate
granite tartan
You literally are talking about your ass
snow scarab
speaking of Engies, clearence paperwork is filled out 💀
nice
empty sorrel
certified level 4 for 150 a plate
I actually ran the numbers, and the RMA 1155 is actually heavier than my ceradine 80571, at least per unit of area covered
granite tartan
My set weights as much as a single 1155 plate
snow scarab
How you liking it?
it’s been pretty good. i need to find somebody that i can steal their rifle for a day and go shoot lol
muted gate
RMA is the best bang for buck plate
granite tartan
it’s been pretty good. i need to find somebody that i can steal their rifle for ...
Come to SC
snow scarab
I actually ran the numbers, and the RMA 1155 is actually heavier than my ceradin...
ok?
muted gate
Those IVs tank so much shit
granite tartan
We got NFA items and suppressors
snow scarab
7.6 pounds per plate
empty sorrel
My set weights as much as a single 1155 plate
Lines like 8oz more iirc
granite tartan
Lines like 8oz more iirc
You’re annoying and have bad opinions
empty sorrel
Yeah
snow scarab
for a plate that has shown to stop MULTIPLE .30-06 black tips
muted gate
for a plate that has shown to stop MULTIPLE .30-06 black tips
i saw that vid, it was in the same spot with in tolerance deformation
granite tartan
Good plates I’m just 5,9 and can’t take the weight
muted gate
Im 6 1 and i cant take the weight
snow scarab
i get issued large plates
granite tartan
Full kit weights alot
snow scarab
cause i’m tall
muted gate
i get issued large plates
mediums, im too skinny for larges
granite tartan
Inshallah
snow scarab
mediums, im too skinny for larges
oh same
muted gate
I just cant wait for my gear to get out of vietnam
snow scarab
that’s why i used mediums
granite tartan
I’m getting mad
snow scarab
i always trade them back in
empty sorrel
You didn't form 1?
granite tartan
Literally the compliance stuff is taking longer than the fucking stamp
muted gate
Dude i paid 100 dollars plus 8 in paypal fees for my shit
snow scarab
my IOTV is a fucking medium but needs to be a small
granite tartan
You didn't form 1?
You have to engrave form 1 items
snow scarab
You didn't form 1?
he did
muted gate
4kilos is 90 somthing dollars shipping out of vietnam
empty sorrel
There's a place in my city that literally does it right there as you wait,
Cost me like 20 bucks
granite tartan
Cool
empty sorrel
What about it is taking so long for you?
muted gate
how is engraving taking so long
granite tartan
🤷♀️
empty sorrel
Yeah
granite tartan
South Carolina if
muted gate
find someone with a lazer you fucking shmuck
empty sorrel
I just searched "NFA engraving" on Google maps and drove to the first result.
Did you ship it off?
snow scarab
Come to SC
now see i would, if i had the money to fly or drive lol
it would be like a day drive
granite tartan
I’m getting property out in NC
Preferably trying to get it in SC
Do I don’t have to fill out form 20s
empty sorrel
granite tartan
.300BO?
empty sorrel
It's a fake. can is in jail
snow scarab
why does it look like the upper and lowers are plastic 😭
empty sorrel
It's a bfd
empty sorrel
why does it look like the upper and lowers are plastic 😭
Cheap cerakote?
snow scarab
ah
empty sorrel
Omega 300
empty sorrel
Didn't feel like paying 50% More for worse performance
granite tartan
It doesn’t tho?
empty sorrel
MSRP is like $1200 no?
granite tartan
Considering you shitted on glocks earlier I presume you don’t know a lot about supressor either
empty sorrel
Or am I mixing it up...
granite tartan
Msrp is $1300
You get them at like
$1100
Sico is a good brand I’m just teasing
empty sorrel
So like 35% more
I get that they are more battle tested
But their advertised performance numbers just aren't impressive
But I'm going to the range, not to war
Is there a 30 caliber rc2?
granite tartan
But their advertised performance numbers just aren't impressive
What performance numbers
empty sorrel
Db ratings
Thought there are like 17 different ways you could get different test results if you test differently for that
granite tartan
There’s more to cans that DB at the ear
empty sorrel
True
Though I would say it's a safe bet that most manufacturers would test in a way that gives their cans the best number so that they can look good in a direct comparison
granite tartan
They don’t
empty sorrel
And isn't rc2 also supposed to stop first round pop? I am pretty interested in how they manage that
granite tartan
It minimizes it
empty sorrel
Admittedly, I definitely could have done more research and got a marginally better suppressor, whether that would be from surefire or another manufacturer I couldn't say, but that is what my FFL had on hand
It's 220 days late to do any thinking about it
low fox
Should I get crye AVS mbav or Warrior systems LPC v2?
misty mango
avs
stuck hazel
Should I get crye AVS mbav or Warrior systems LPC v2?
where are you based and what do you plan to use it for, if you dont mind me asking
granite tartan
Привет как
stuck hazel
cheers mike.
snow scarab
Should I get crye AVS mbav or Warrior systems LPC v2?
don’t get the mbav unless you are buying it second hand as a set
stuck hazel
Привет как
انا لا امتلك اي فكرة عن ما يعني هذا
there is a significant difference in price between the LPC V2 and the AVS
just around the board
stuck hazel
if money is no object and/or you plan to use the plate carrier in a "combat" situation go for the AVS
stuck hazel
why can’t i place what brand the lpv is
LPC* my bad
snow scarab
oh wtf
stuck hazel
if money is no object and/or you plan to use the plate carrier in a "combat" sit...
if you want an airsoft plate carrier/ youre skint and just need a semi decent plate carrier the LPC 2.0 isnt a "bad" plate carrier
but there are better ones
the LPC 2.0 is arguably better than the JPC 1.0
stuck hazel
yeah'
ive heard good things tbf
its just... ROC buckles
they get a little too much hate but they are not amazing by any means
i need to look deeper into WAS because their shit is very reasonably priced, and my hands on experience with their pouches has been nice so far
along with that i never hear bad shit about their PCs
granite tartan
Me an individual who refuses cummerbund buckles
stuck hazel
you are a very special individual tho
low fox
where are you based and what do you plan to use it for, if you dont mind me aski...
Airsoft, I am in eu. Also my budget for plate carrier is 1500$
muted gate
Airsoft, I am in eu. Also my budget for plate carrier is 1500$
jesus fuck broski
low fox
jesus fuck broski
Earnd myself some money so I decided to trear myself lol
I will spend up to 10k on gear since actual firearms are illegal here lol
muted gate
Earnd myself some money so I decided to trear myself lol
TBH for that pricepoint you are talking most carriers on the market
with about 1k left to spend on plates
low fox
with about 1k left to spend on plates
No need for real ones since its airsoft
low fox
Looking for best one
low fox
do you have a specific larp you wanna do?
Eh not really
low fox
Ah
muted gate
like if you had a specific larp in mind i could point you in a direction
low fox
Also opinion on ufpro uniforms?
I need smthng that wont glow when someone is looking throught nvgs
stuck hazel
Earnd myself some money so I decided to trear myself lol
The LPC will save you a lot of money and give you a good airsoft plate carrier, but for 1500 quid pal buy an AVS, it’s almost the best PC on the market currently
CPC is arguably better but the AVS is very very good
low fox
Thanks
snow scarab
Also opinion on ufpro uniforms?
awesome. super comfy, thick as fuck, rip resistant, and just overall good
timber fog
Pretty much european crye
snow scarab
hell no
better than crye imo
internal knee pads, thicker to begin with and better designing
granite tartan
Airsoft, I am in eu. Also my budget for plate carrier is 1500$
There is much cooler shit to buy with that $1500
granite tartan
CPC is arguably better but the AVS is very very good
Explain
You can buy a like full kit with helmet for $1500
stuck hazel
Explain
Better comfort
Better load support
Worse cut
It’s not dramatic
AVS is still a mad PC
Tbh they are almost the same PC..
And I don’t like ladder cummerbunds so there that
timber fog
better than crye imo
Would’ve said it myself but didn’t want to spark another debate
snow scarab
yes
snow scarab
g3’s once on loan and uf pro for a field
echo jay
idk that I would say uf pro is better than crye but I love my uf pros
stuck hazel
UF pro has better NIR I hear
But after all Crye is the golden standard
There would need to be legitimate testing to prove which is better
Up until that point, they are both very good, get whichever suits your specific needs best
prisma lintel
Anyone have anything I could read up on related to radios? Specifically just basic know how and terminology ect.
Or videos would be great.
Got a beofung uv5r here and just ordered the kit to have it to a PTT and to my headset.
But would like to know more about radios and what not.
granite tartan
Anyone have anything I could read up on related to radios? Specifically just bas...
Yeah I gotchu
But a beofeng is a very bad radio
prisma lintel
Its a basic one to start out. @granite tartan I got a qd wire coming so all I'd need to do with the kit is buy a new radio, and a adapter. Adapter would be like 30 bucks. So w/e. No big deal
granite tartan
Oh that
prisma lintel
But there's others I could get to go to different radios
granite tartan
What are you trying to do with it
prisma lintel
I'll have it on a plate carrier, use it for hunting or end of the world larping
prisma lintel
Eventually
I'll get a different radio lol
Would like to learn up before spending more.
@granite tartan do you have any videos or something I could read to learn more?
prisma lintel
Its okay. Lol. Hope you have a good time. I'll looking into s2 underground
timber fog
But a beofeng is a very bad radio
If it works it works
coarse laurel
@prisma lintel I use a Baofeng as a back up
But I mainly use this prc 152
PTT setup is wonky tho
low fox
Whats yalls opinion on earmor m32
stuck hazel
Whats yalls opinion on earmor m32
Trash, don’t bother
prisma lintel
<@185928322218196994> I use a Baofeng as a back up
Just doing a quick Google search and that radio doesn't seem to be available to civilians. Sometimes the pop up on eBay though.
Edit: I guess there are some for sale, but are they real? Lol.
I'm cool with the beofung right now. I'll probably get a DMR sometime in the future once I get comfortable.
young stag
Just doing a quick Google search and that radio doesn't seem to be available to ...
Its probably a RF-310M-HH, which is the PRC-152 without the crypto
stuck hazel
Just doing a quick Google search and that radio doesn't seem to be available to ...
Yeah it’s worse a few thousand and is generally only available to mil, unless one falls off a truck, which generally doesn’t happen because of sensitive communication shit
stuck hazel
Its probably a RF-310M-HH, which is the PRC-152 without the crypto
I’m pretty sure he’s military
Correct me if I’m wrong izurumi
young stag
I’m pretty sure he’s military
Nah, looks like airsoft
stuck hazel
Nah, looks like airsoft
Ask him dude, I seem to remember him saying something about being millitary
He plays airsoft as well tho
young stag
Yeah but iirc 152's are secured, and are issued, so i doubt they can just be taken
young stag
I use RF-310M-HH for work and own 2, only because i work with military a lot and having compatible radios is amazing
prisma lintel
What about any radio recommendations that are DMR? small enough to fit in a pouch but also rugged.
lofty nebula
Currently wanna buy a plate carrier can anybody tell me good companys for plates
prisma lintel
@lofty nebula you have to buy within country I believe, just so you know.
lofty nebula
💀 dies in germany
prisma lintel
I tried to get some from the US but they don't ship outside.
So I had to buy within canada
young stag
What about any radio recommendations that are DMR? small enough to fit in a pouc...
budget?
storm peak
Yeah but iirc 152's are secured, and are issued, so i doubt they can just be tak...
I've for certain signed out 152s from my office and taken them home
You can have unencrypted ptt in 152s
granite tartan
What about any radio recommendations that are DMR? small enough to fit in a pouc...
XtS
2500 and 5000
young stag
You can have unencrypted ptt in 152s
weird, as ik why we went and got the RFs is because the CAF wouldn't let us use theirs even tho some of our guys are active
storm peak
weird, as ik why we went and got the RFs is because the CAF wouldn't let us use ...
I mean it's sensitive equipment, I don't even like to sign radios out to other people in my company- let alone some civis
Plus encryption is illegal to use in the US otherside of federal government
young stag
I mean it's sensitive equipment, I don't even like to sign radios out to other p...
yeah, i get it
prisma lintel
2500 and 5000
Says it's discontinued.
young stag
Under 400 cad
AnyTone AT-D878UVII Plus
coarse laurel
Yeah I’m military and I use the civilian ver
All o ur MBITR’s and 152’s are always locked down unless we are doing shit like STX’s and stuff
@stuck hazel
young stag
All o ur MBITR’s and 152’s are always locked down unless we are doing shit like ...
thats what i thought,
coarse laurel
The cool thing about this one is the voice encryption meaning it comes out unintelligible unless I’m communicating with the same type of radio
So motherfuckers can’t listen in during mil sim ops lol
prisma lintel
AnyTone AT-D878UVII Plus
Looks solid. Any idea how "rugged" it is?
Like if I had it in a plate carrier would I be concerned about breaking it
stuck hazel
Yeah I’m military and I use the civilian ver
Ah fair enough
storm peak
The cool thing about this one is the voice encryption meaning it comes out unint...
Encryption is illegal in the US outside of federal employees, let alone it's extremely expensive to generate crypto keys. State police aren't even allowed to run encrypted
You might be mistaking freq hopping on plain text for squelch tones
coarse laurel
You might be mistaking freq hopping on plain text for squelch tones
Its more of a voice scrambler type thing
storm peak
also like regardless of encrypted or not, you can still be rdfed
coarse laurel
That’s what’s it’s marketed as
Naturally though I only use it for milsim shit I wouldn’t use it for SHTF shit I got other shit for that
storm peak
Very true, I'd be careful on relying on "on-the-market" "voice scrambler" (by of which is literally just an encryption key set from factory) as they're all broken
muted gate
be a chad, speak a language that no one does
"The fuck, is this english. What the fuck are they saying, did i have a stroke" is the best comms encryption
storm peak
"The fuck, is this english. What the fuck are they saying, did i have a stroke" ...
Still doesn't protect you from rdf lol
muted gate
oh fuck no it doesnt
Only way to do that is to have pre setup bouncers but that is too fucking annoying
and even then that doesnt work
storm peak
Only way to do that is to have pre setup bouncers but that is too fucking annoyi...
If by bouncers you mean repeaters, that can still be easily defeated
I rdf for a living
coarse laurel
At work we use prc 152 and MBITR’s
muted gate
Doesnt fix the issue
storm peak
At work we use prc 152 and MBITR’s
152s are good, but knowing how much power your pushing is what people usually don't understand about comms
coarse laurel
These too
muted gate
consider tech from the 70s
i still need to get the cryptor pack for it
fucking unobtanium
storm peak
These too
Are those cellular bars I see?
If so, digital mobile radio - very ez to defeat
coarse laurel
We use these for MED Ops
Like as a rule of thumb medical shit has to be in PT
The bars are wifi bars because these can run on wifi as well
coarse laurel
If so, digital mobile radio - very ez to defeat
The military version of the SRX 2200 uses comsec
Which applies to this one
The nomenclature is literally called SRX 2200 Enhanced combat radio
They are expensive as fuck though
Like the army pays around 4K a u nt for these because it comes with all sorts of shit
storm peak
The military version of the SRX 2200 uses comsec
Seems like a good conus training white cell radio, but goes back to that dilemma of pre-filled crypto from the factory
Let alone it has Bluetooth and wifi connectivity, it ain't secure by any means
And it's Motorola, junky
coarse laurel
Have you seen what an SKL look like?
Not sure if you are familiar with how we load comsec on our comms
empty sorrel
<:excusemewhat:717432690235932753>
Encryption is illegal in the US outside of f...
Yes, though iirc some do use rotating centralized squelch codes to prevent interference
storm peak
Have you seen what an SKL look like?
I'm very familiar with an skl lol, was a bn crypto manager at once upon a time
storm peak
Neither am I
It's just par for the course for my line of work to have a ton of crypto
coarse laurel
I learned most of it as a Cav scout and it carried over as a medic
Prior experience and all someone thought it would be a good idea to add that responsibility on top of the other bullshit duties I have to do
storm peak
I mean it's good knowledge to have, god forbid how many people don't know how to even change freqs on radios
coarse laurel
Good knowledge but I’m a busy man and I got better things to do than fill radios
Imagine your doc multitasking instead of doing doc things
I’m glad I’m moving on
empty sorrel
Aren't there dedicated channels you can use for digital signals?
storm peak
Imagine your doc multitasking instead of doing doc things
🤷 hey it adds more bullets for your ncoer
empty sorrel
Or do you need a license for that
storm peak
Aren't there dedicated channels you can use for digital signals?
Actually not sure tbh, not insanely familiar with continental us rf spectrum laws
empty sorrel
Because unless there's some mandated communication standard for the digital signals, who's to say whether your signal is encrypted or just using a strange communication standard?
And given a story I heard about it taking them 6 months to find a guy that drove around a busy city every day with a cell phone jammer on, I'm not too confident in the fCC's enforcement
storm peak
Because unless there's some mandated communication standard for the digital sign...
If you're talking like traditional 10m to 60cm ptt/ham comms being encrypted then yes you can easily trace who's doing it through a simple sdr. You hear and see the squelch, but you actually won't hear the voice behind it
empty sorrel
So it would be visibly different from any other digital transmission?
storm peak
And given a story I heard about it taking them 6 months to find a guy that drove...
Fcc doesn't like jamming by any means, will get heavy fines for doing that stuff. It'll be hard to catch the guy acting like a rogue bts if he's rocking low power and emulating the local networks cellids
storm peak
So it would be visibly different from any other digital transmission?
Nope
Looks the same
empty sorrel
If I recall it was some guy who didn't like the people driving around him on their phones, so he drove around every single day to work and back with some Chinese cell phone jammer he got
Only reason they even knew about him was because T-Mobile reported a suspicious drop in signal quality at a certain time on one highway every single day
storm peak
OK so it sounds like the dumbass was booting people off the local network by literally using the same parameters as the local towers. Slapping code 6 do not connect on people's phones
empty sorrel
Like a wifi de-auth attack?
storm peak
You can tell when rogue bts are in the area by simply using a developer phone or even some apps on Google play and seeing which node be lookin different or pushing alot of power on your phones neighbor list
But I digress
empty sorrel
My main point is that the FCC is so woefully understaffed, the odds of somebody finding out about you transmitting at 5w with an encrypted signal is basically zero
storm peak
Some police departments track those kind of things 🤷
It's not an everyday occurrence where people are just jamming terrestrial networks
empty sorrel
I am assuming in this hypothetical situation that you have the common sense to not transmit on a used frequency
And frankly I would be quite surprised if even the largest police departments started caring what people did on gmrs or frs
snow scarab
Imagine your doc multitasking instead of doing doc things
nah bruh, call in CAS then put my ribcage in a splint
granite tartan
My main point is that the FCC is so woefully understaffed, the odds of somebody ...
All automated
empty sorrel
The FCC doesn't have a listening post every 10 miles...
deep ocean
idk where to put this i made the helmet
granite tartan
#cringe
low zodiac
He ain’t wrong bruh
timber fog
Pretty ironic coming from tinky winky tho
left flax
Pretty ironic coming from tinky winky tho
Tf does that mean 💀
timber fog
Peep mike’s @
elder hornet
idle helm
prisma lintel
Why
grand walrus
snow scarab
@granite tartan interesting bit in mw2 is that the ranger skins actually use AVS
stuck hazel
It’s true
left flax
Stubby
misty mango
short
misty mango
left flax
empty sorrel
<:kat_wink:763008447029182464>
😐
empty sorrel
<:kat_wink:763008447029182464>
Since you're in there would you mind calling neon a slur for me
simple lodge
Im one happy dude
left flax
Im one happy dude
what is that
sweet vale
simple lodge
It's a Thor IV
sweet vale
😂
left flax
It's a Thor IV
💀
simple lodge
What's wrong with that
left flax
Nothing at all
simple lodge
It even has plates In it
left flax
What type
sweet vale
Foam
sweet vale
Foam shaped as bulletproof plates
left flax
crung
left flax
Im one happy dude
would be better for a scav roleplay
sweet vale
Alie has some nice ones
simple lodge
My brother has a PACA looking armor
sweet vale
Alie is like rule ** but with products
Their motto should be
"if it exists we have product of it"
simple lodge
Интересно, может ли кто-нибудь понять это, я могу говорить по-русски
I like on how I made the armor fit me it was so loose when I got it
low mulch
Styrofoam 10000000 billion im cheating that's why
whats the point of it lmfao 🤣
simple lodge
unless..are you american?
как ты думаешь да я американец
left flax
idk americans can use google translate
simple lodge
Nah I can type in Russian just can't speak it well
misty mango
you dont look old enough to need armour surely
homeboy looks fresh out of the year 6 disco
left flax
homeboy looks fresh out of the year 6 disco
😭
low mulch
low fox
Foam plates suck, just use steel, EzPz
misty mango
steel plates suck
just use ceramic EzPz
low fox
Nu, steel is best, spalling ftw
left flax
i love losing my jaw after getting shot in the ribs
misty mango
i love my arms getting shredded because i was shot in the chest while holding up my rifle
echo jay
But muh tarkov taught me that arms are the armor
low fox
You don't need arms to shoot, tarkov taught me that
fickle bison
You don't need arms to shoot, tarkov taught me that
forreal, 30 rounds of AP anything and all it takes is 1 to the head
stuck hazel
fucking slavaboos i cant
left flax
fucking slavaboos i cant
Hush multicam user
stuck hazel
Hush multicam user
verbal karma
Lmao a bump replica of a Russian knock off of a FAST costs more than a FAST bump
left flax
Lmao a bump replica of a Russian knock off of a FAST costs more than a FAST bump
Who cares
left flax
It is what it isss
verbal karma
Like don’t get me wrong I think LARPing as Russians is actually less cringe than LARPing as US military
stuck hazel
So it kinda makes sense
not really
verbal karma
Grey-shop and their clones are making so much money off Tarkov larpers
left flax
"thing costs more than better thing, simply because its russian"
You aren't the one buying it, quit yer yapping
left flax
Grey-shop and their clones are making so much money off Tarkov larpers
And current unnamed world situations
stuck hazel
You aren't the one buying it, quit yer yapping
no one should be buying it
why would they ever buy it
verbal karma
Nobody in combat is buying from Grey-Shop
stuck hazel
oh yeah shit because "russia larp cool"
left flax
why would they ever buy it
Because people want to buy them
verbal karma
They’re the Russian version of Evike
left flax
oh yeah shit because "russia larp cool"
Bro we both dress up as soldiers, neither one of us are cool
Stop pretending to be so high and mighty
verbal karma
why would they ever buy it
There’s reasons to own things other than them being good or practical
left flax
Nobody in combat is buying from Grey-Shop
You'd be surprised man
GS stocks are low atm bevause of the civvie mobilisations
snow scarab
Bro we both dress up as soldiers, neither one of us are cool
on god
me on the other hand
stuck hazel
Bro we both dress up as soldiers, neither one of us are cool
i dont dress up as anything, i play airsoft
my kit isnt larp lol
verbal karma
Yes it is
stuck hazel
how so
left flax
my kit isnt larp lol
That's what they all say
verbal karma
Airsoft is LARP
stuck hazel
Airsoft is LARP
please explain
stuck hazel
You also black bar your eyes
thats true il take that
verbal karma
Live action role play
stuck hazel
imma just say "persec" and not justify it
verbal karma
Airsoft is live action role play
stuck hazel
Live action role play
yeah, whats the roleplay bit
stuck hazel
Airsoft is live action role play
not really
left flax
yeah, whats the roleplay bit
Pretending to be a soldier?
stuck hazel
i dont pretend to be a soldier i shoot people with bb guns what
verbal karma
You are playing the role of a combatant in a simulated combat environment
left flax
We both know, deep down...you, are a larper. We all are. It's okay to admit it, we will accept you for who you are
stuck hazel
This is semantics
please
verbal karma
But you don’t want to admit it because you don’t want to admit you LARP
There’s nothing wrong with LARPing
left flax
There’s nothing wrong with LARPing
^
stuck hazel
youre not going to get me to say i larp
verbal karma
Yet you do
stuck hazel
im not roleplaying as anything when i put my kit on
im not pretending to be a soldier dude
verbal karma
Yes you are
left flax
But you do
verbal karma
You’re role playing as someone who needs that kit
stuck hazel
Yes you are
tell me what im doing when i do it then ig
verbal karma
Look here’s me LARPing as a successful multigun shooter
stuck hazel
so because i dont need the kit im wearing im therefore roleplaying as someone who does
thats not great logic is it
verbal karma
Why are you so against the idea that you’re LARPing
It’s making you more cringe
Like you take yourself too seriously
stuck hazel
im not against the idea of larp
left flax
Look here’s me LARPing as a successful multigun shooter
Larp gaming
verbal karma
Post a picture of your kit
left flax
the only larp im against (inside airshit) is Z larp
Then why hide you are a larper
Have you came out to your parents about it yet?
verbal karma
Here’s a picture of me in my LARP kit
left flax
It's 2022, we accept you for who you are
verbal karma
Is that a plate carrier?
left flax
Larpers love taking photos inside their homes in their gear
stuck hazel
Larpers love taking photos inside their homes in their gear
i wasnt just walking around my house in my gear
verbal karma
Dude that’s LARP
stuck hazel
how so
verbal karma
You have flag patches on your kit
stuck hazel
im british?
left flax
:(((
verbal karma
You’re wearing a replica of a ballistic helmet
stuck hazel
thats true
verbal karma
You’re wearing a plate carrier
stuck hazel
though i dont pretend its a ballistic helmet
left flax
You are brave enough to admit to being British but not a larper?
stuck hazel
You’re wearing a plate carrier
thats where you got me
i dont pretend its protecting me though
verbal karma
Okay
stuck hazel
You are brave enough to admit to being British but not a larper?
good point lol
verbal karma
You’re still wearing things that aren’t actually necessary to play airsoft effectively because they look cool
That’s LARP
stuck hazel
looking cool is larp?
left flax
Yes, probably
stuck hazel
fasion is larp?
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