irl-gear

[misty mesa]

Simple

[stuck hazel]

what does that even mean

you

right.

[low fox]

youre coping like im going into dday wearing soft armor when soft armor is for everyday threats

[stuck hazel]

so when someone causes a lethal hemorrhage in your chest because you were drilled with a 12 guage slug and your soft armor failed to effectively disperse the energy

[misty mesa]

20 gauge for $60

[stuck hazel]

will you once again make the comparison of trenches

[stuck hazel]

exactly

[valid lodge]

active shooter with a rifle?

[timber fog]

Was thinking exactly that

[valid lodge]

literally

[stuck hazel]

anyone with a rifle

[valid lodge]

or you gotta bug out cuz shtf

and everyone is out with weapons at or above .223

[stuck hazel]

its common knowledge that the AR15 is being purchased like its going out of fasion

[low fox]

right because people wear solid plates out of their home

[valid lodge]

I would

[misty mesa]

Yes

[stuck hazel]

and CQB and shit is becoming ""COOL""

[valid lodge]

If I had a covert carrier

[misty mesa]

It called a incognito vest

I wear it

[stuck hazel]

so when jabronie from the hood comes sweeping your house with his 16" AR

[misty mesa]

My church near me got chot up 2 months ago

[stuck hazel]

soft armor

yes

[misty mesa]

I’d like to not die

[low fox]

plate wearers when they get shot in the side by a 9mm and die

[stuck hazel]

side armor

[timber fog]

Shoulda had side plates

[maiden gull]

Aren’t side plates a thing!?

[misty mesa]

Bro that’s so funny, expect when it stops the guy shooting up my church from killing me

[stuck hazel]

side plates are annoying as fuck but excluding low vis PCs i would always run them

[low fox]

plate wearers will do anything to justify wearing 30 lbs of armor in public

[maiden gull]

What is your deal lmao

[timber fog]

Look, I know we’re giving you a hard time but it’s for a reason. These guys are just trying to look out for you

[misty mesa]

I think your just a cheep shitter

[stuck hazel]

either way i would rather have plates on my chest and back than magic fabric encompassing most of my torso

[low fox]

im attacked for wearing soft armor

[timber fog]

Doing this “intentionally missing the point” thing isn’t helping your case

[misty mesa]

That too

[timber fog]

It only provides us with more entertainment

[stuck hazel]

i remember when i said that

[valid lodge]

Bro have you ever looked at the weight of a plate carrier?

a normal standalone Ceramic weighs around 3 to 3.5 lbs

maybe even less

[misty mesa]

And again

Agl

[valid lodge]

my man

[low fox]

ceramic users justifying spending $2000 on a single plate to stop 1 bullet

[valid lodge]

i know plates that have standoff protection fro .50

[cinder stream]

is this man serious

[misty mesa]

Stop one agl

[misty mesa]

Yup as the same argument with seb and he called her a larper lmao

[timber fog]

Mfs be like “guess I’ll just die 🤷🏻‍♂️”

[valid lodge]

I know a plate that stops threats up to VPAM 12 aswell as standoff for .50bmg VPAM is rated with at least 3 hits, cost: 640 bucks

[stuck hazel]

you trying to justify using armor that stops 0 bullets

[valid lodge]

so please stop the cope

against a armor nerd

[misty mesa]

Called seb a larper over this lmao

[valid lodge]

altho tbh I have spend 3k on a unplated carrier cuz collection

[maiden gull]

most ceramic armor is multi hit rated tf you on about

[valid lodge]

[cinder stream]

i have Hesco 4800s in a JPC 2.0, cope ig

[valid lodge]

not if NIJ

[maiden gull]

yeah true

[misty mesa]

I breath nij 4 ceramic

[valid lodge]

NIJ only requires one hit all over the plate + 1 one of the weaker level

[maiden gull]

uh oh

[valid lodge]

VPAM and both GOST standards need at least 3

VPAM with a 125mm distance between shots

[stuck hazel]

I love not having to wear body armor because I’m not afraid of being shot in the street

Larp gang

[maiden gull]

damn thats a nice plate carrier

[cinder stream]

LBT

[misty mesa]

I live in America so if a guy dies in a fly over state I have to worry about violent riots 🙂

[stuck hazel]

6094 gang

[misty mesa]

So I wear coverts

[stuck hazel]

good idea

rattler in the day pack is the way to go

[valid lodge]

also VPAM aswell have GOST have a significantly better BFD limit

NIJ 44mm, VPAM 25, GOST 16

[stuck hazel]

i feel like "nerd" isnt appropriate under the circumstances

[misty mesa]

Ceramic does have iv plates right

Or am I dumb

[maiden gull]

holy shit, i think i fucked up with my plates then

[valid lodge]

Ceramics can be LVL III aswell

[misty mesa]

What’s the multi hit rifle plates called

Cause Imma get this when I enlist

Probably with the strandhogg

[timber fog]

I do, and we need to stop acting like being a nerd is always a bad thing

[valid lodge]

just look that you get Standalones and no ICW

[valid lodge]

?

[stuck hazel]

nerd

[misty mesa]

Ight

[timber fog]

Got me there

[stuck hazel]

lol

[misty mesa]

But there are multi hit rifle ceramics right

[valid lodge]

I embraced the Term long ago

[misty mesa]

Same

[valid lodge]

to waht standard :)))))

[timber fog]

Chads

[misty mesa]

Nij 4

M855

[valid lodge]

on NIJ it's any plate that withstand more than 1 shot of the same rating

M2AP 30-06 is IV

with VPAM it's 3 shots but with a 25mm distance

[low fox]

genuine question, so all you guys love to say how steel is unsafe, so its completely unreasonable to have ESAPI armorworks steel plates? i got these a while back and if you guys insist i might just sell em and get something better then

[misty mesa]

Is that better than multi hit m855

[valid lodge]

ESAPI and Steel plate in one sentence makes me barf

[cinder stream]

steel in general is a no no

[stuck hazel]

why not get something better

[valid lodge]

M855A1 is III+

[misty mesa]

Ah ok

[valid lodge]

so yeah way better

[timber fog]

This

[misty mesa]

So I should get what you listed

[low fox]

i dont buy armor

[misty mesa]

Thanks mate

[stuck hazel]

the benefit is your chances of living increase so

[low fox]

i have armor

[misty mesa]

Hmm

[low fox]

i dont buy more because theres better options

[valid lodge]

Bro you are giving me a headache

[misty mesa]

Dude just go die with your Chineseium armor so we can nerd out in peace

If you want to die go nuts

[low fox]

armorers seethe when you dont have level 6 $3k ceramic diamond super full coverage 1lb armor

[misty mesa]

We try to help you but you care about the cost and weight not how much it saves your life

[low fox]

yeah so why arent police all running ceramic 4 plate

[valid lodge]

again

[misty mesa]

They do?

[valid lodge]

the best plate protection wise only costs 640 dollars

[misty mesa]

In big city’s

Where crime happens

[low fox]

most police in the US run IIIA soft armor

[stuck hazel]

government budgets and personal budgets are different things

[misty mesa]

Most as in small towns

[cinder stream]

Yes but we have plate carriers in the car for oh shit calls

[misty mesa]

Cops here runs ceramics

Cause it’s fucking Vegas

[stuck hazel]

the government doesnt care about you, however i expect that you feel differently

[maiden gull]

SO TRUE!

[low fox]

right so i should spend all of my money on armor because some nerds who larp online told me its the only thing that will save me

[timber fog]

If you don’t buy armor, as a civilian, that’s fine. If you do buy armor, don’t buy steel (see: spalling). Simple

Cops in my city run ceramics

[cinder stream]

3A for under uniform armor, Plate carrier to throw over it. Easy

[valid lodge]

how much are the RMAs again?

like 250 bucks

[misty mesa]

There are multiple people here who severed and im going to be severing

[timber fog]

Even the neighboring city cops and county sheriffs do too

[misty mesa]

What larping

[stuck hazel]

something like that

[valid lodge]

I don't like em cuz Alumina and they are heavy

but for a budget they are good

[stuck hazel]

i mean if you get shot in the armor then yes it quite literally is the only thing saving you

[maiden gull]

yeah about 250 for the lvl 4's

[low fox]

i dont serve or plan to serve, i dont engage in dangerous activities, my greatest threat is a home invasion, so yes, ill stick with soft armor for now

[cinder stream]

Nyoo because exercising your rights is larping 🤓

[valid lodge]

My man what if shtf

you gonna run around in soft and get domed by the local hunter

with his .30-06 bolty

ok tbh a hunter could also dome the best goon

[low fox]

im not "running around" at all, again, i dont have a reason to

[maiden gull]

or bubba with an sks you never know man

[misty mesa]

Then stfu when people tell you it’s shitter armor for anyone who expects anything beyond fucking 9 hp

[stuck hazel]

why are you not planning for that scenario

[misty mesa]

I can’t stop a home invasion with a phone book

[low fox]

theres different armor for different cases, you guys like to have this "all encompassing" rig, when thats just now how it works

[valid lodge]

you haven'T read my message have you?

the one i sent before

[stuck hazel]

i mean it literally is

[misty mesa]

Because we live in a time where it’s not hard to get a rifle and crazy people exist

[stuck hazel]

all you need is a PC and a placcard

[misty mesa]

Your steel trash isn’t going to stop 5.56

[valid lodge]

it does tho

[stuck hazel]

and ceramic plates

[valid lodge]

well I still have my thiccboy I only use for reenact

[misty mesa]

A common round

[low fox]

im 18 and you guys want me to spend $2k on armor lmao

[stuck hazel]

show

[stuck hazel]

yes

[misty mesa]

Ok example 1

Child

[stuck hazel]

well more like 1500

[timber fog]

Realistically you don’t need to wear armor on a day-to-day basis unless you’re just that paranoid. And if you are that paranoid, one would think you’d be more prepared than yourself currently

[misty mesa]

Don’t talk about armor when you don’t understand armor

[valid lodge]

da set

[maiden gull]

bro im a wagie and bought a jpc 1.0 with two lvl ceramic plates, ifak for under $850

[misty mesa]

Nice

[maiden gull]

you can afford it

if my dumbass can afford it

[stuck hazel]

i used to argue with people about spending loads on legit shit for airsoft, because for that use case its unjustifiable

[low fox]

sucks for you wagie

[misty mesa]

I’m a wager rn saving for a standhogg

[stuck hazel]

this is not like this.

this is real life real guns

you die

[misty mesa]

Duuuude just piss off

[stuck hazel]

very niceee

[maiden gull]

Jesus Christ dude im trying to give you an example lmao

[valid lodge]

That Vest is pretty much for "airsoft", I'm a reenactor and I hate repros also this one doesn't really exist in repro form, cost me a fuckton but I would also use it for real shit if I need to

[low fox]

lmao i just dont get why armor nerds think anything besides holy ceramic will save you

[misty mesa]

I feel like this guy is just the ceo of Ali express and hates people shitting on his stuff

[misty mesa]

We listed many materials

[valid lodge]

steel will save you but you also have the chance of spall yeeting into your femural and you bleed out

or your neck

[maiden gull]

but muhh spall

[timber fog]

What do you aim to accomplish here?

[low fox]

"broooo buy dragon skin broo stop buying anything but dragonskinnnn"

[stuck hazel]

yeah its fine to buy legit shit for airsoft, its telling people its mandatory to buy legit shit for airsoft that pisses me off

[misty mesa]

Bruh

[low fox]

what do YOU aim to accomplish

[misty mesa]

This guy just isn’t reading

[maiden gull]

not die

[timber fog]

^

Fuck it tho bro it’s your life

[maiden gull]

real shit

[stuck hazel]

buy ceramic, buy a slickster, exist.

[misty mesa]

REMEBER when you mentioned multiple materials and one of them was dragon skin lmao

[low fox]

again, armor elitists at their finest, sure yeah its my life, so stop crying

[misty mesa]

That def happened

[valid lodge]

Dragon skin is pretty much steel

[low fox]

im aware, but anti spall exists

[stuck hazel]

so you are willing to risk your life to save some money

[timber fog]

@low fox to reiterate

[stuck hazel]

correct?

[misty mesa]

Exactly lmao

[valid lodge]

except for the Russians that did Dragon Scale TItanium and B4C with the 6B3 and 6B5

I love how the Russians already had gucci rifle rated armor when the US still had PASGTs

or Flak Vests

anyway this is my Personal Carrier

[misty mesa]

REMEBER when the ratnik program showed off power armor lmao

[misty mesa]

Sexy

[valid lodge]

EXO Skeletons exist in russian use

with Sapper Units

[misty mesa]

Wait really?

[valid lodge]

yes

[stuck hazel]

AK?

[maiden gull]

very nice, love those 5.45 mags

[misty mesa]

So that wast propaganda

Ethier way

[misty mesa]

Jesus

[valid lodge]

passive exoskeleton

[misty mesa]

Maybe I’m on the wrong side

[valid lodge]

the suits on the right are the OVR 2-02 or 3Sh suits

Watercooled

[misty mesa]

I was talking about that anti 50 bmg armor tho

[valid lodge]

Ratnik 3 is propaganda

[misty mesa]

Yeah

[valid lodge]

altho ATLAS has made a BR6 rated UHMWPE Plate

BR6 is 12.7x108 B32

API

[misty mesa]

That shit was funny

They thought we was in mass effect

Lmao

Looked cool though

[valid lodge]

meh

.50 rated armor is pretty useless ultimately

[misty mesa]

Oh I know

[valid lodge]

aswell as WC Core rated armor

most of the time

as WC Core was originally designed against vehicles

WC = Tungsten Carbide

[maiden gull]

WHAT THEY MADE ADVANCED WARFARE A REAL THING!>!>!!?!?!? ALL HELL NAH!

[misty mesa]

Bro hold on

[valid lodge]

the K2 is nothing new

has been around for a decent amount of time

2018 ish they were first shown iirc

[stuck hazel]

i dont see legitimate use for it

[valid lodge]

it's mostly for those Demining suits

as those are heavy as fuck

nearly 30 kg

[stuck hazel]

yeah as you would expect

[misty mesa]

They tried to claim they made advanced warfare fair out here

[stuck hazel]

i would personally just say make robots do the demining

[valid lodge]

they have em too

and also they are used as assault suits

the russians do love their assault shit

suits go for around 2-5k

if they pop up

[stuck hazel]

russia at this point is just a joke

literally its a disaster waiting to happen

[maiden gull]

true

[misty mesa]

Russia 2100 they finally release ratnik 3, the soldier gets shot by a 50 and his organs liquidize from the kinetic force

[valid lodge]

I dislike Putin very much

[misty mesa]

Everyone who is sane does

[stuck hazel]

as soon as he croaks all hell is gonna break loose

and i cant wait

[maiden gull]

I LOVE AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORS!!!!!

[misty mesa]

Naw bro he is a elected prez

Don’t you know

[stuck hazel]

defo

defo

defp

[maiden gull]

oh yeah totally sorry about that

[stuck hazel]

just yes

oh yes

elected

[valid lodge]

Man I do love the OVR 3SH

Watercooling go brr

[maiden gull]

dayummm

[misty mesa]

Lmao remeber the ronin helmet

[stuck hazel]

they die just as easy

[maiden gull]

ruskies run peltors too!

[valid lodge]

This was the predecessor, like 2 of these were made, for FSB use

Volkodlak

[misty mesa]

DAMN

[stuck hazel]

that looks

[misty mesa]

Chunky

[stuck hazel]

intimidating

[maiden gull]

space marine type shit

[valid lodge]

old news

[valid lodge]

pretty much was

Air filtering unit

etc.

[misty mesa]

Bow to the god prez hohol

[maiden gull]

holy fuck thats dope

[valid lodge]

like 2 were made

[stuck hazel]

again it wouldnt be fun to be shot wearing that

[valid lodge]

The only thing I've seen sold from that set was the dickflap

[stuck hazel]

we dont see people in the west running this shit because outside of EOD its pretty much useless

impractical as all fuck

[valid lodge]

FSB runs heavy shit when storming buildings

[misty mesa]

I considered eod but I like not having heat strokes

[valid lodge]

due to chechens planting IEDs

[misty mesa]

That fsb shield

[stuck hazel]

bad logic

[valid lodge]

but they don't do it often now

[misty mesa]

Chonker

[valid lodge]

which

VANT LM/VM, Celtium, Veer 6, Zabor M

[misty mesa]

The titanium multistack one

I forget the name

[valid lodge]

Celtium?

[misty mesa]

Ye

[misty mesa]

Yeah that

[valid lodge]

here after a hit from a unarmed RPG 18 warhead

[misty mesa]

Well at least the shield lived

[valid lodge]

now they are working on a .50 rated shield as some fsb guys were killed after getting shot at by a DShK

from chechens

or smth

[stuck hazel]

feel bad for the guy carrying it

[misty mesa]

Ukrainian agl guy but next level

A 40 is one thing

And fucking rpg is another

[valid lodge]

30

[misty mesa]

Ah

[valid lodge]

30mm

[misty mesa]

Right forgot about that

[stuck hazel]

speed

[valid lodge]

AGS 40 isn't very common to see

very limited production

[misty mesa]

Don’t we have some sci-fi looking auto launcher that shoots 40

The us I mean

[stuck hazel]

yes

[valid lodge]

ye

MK39 or smth

[misty mesa]

That shits looks straight out of robocop

[valid lodge]

also just saying the M2 Browning should be replaced

[misty mesa]

Yes

[valid lodge]

the Kord is currently the gold standard of HMG

god I love the Kord

[misty mesa]

I wish we didn’t move over to a sig mg over here

For infantry

[valid lodge]

the M250 seems good

[misty mesa]

I liked the bravo

[stuck hazel]

MK19

[valid lodge]

M240B is heavy as shit tho

[stuck hazel]

pkm meta as shit

[valid lodge]

a PKM/PKP is way more effective than both a M249 and M240

[misty mesa]

Pkp or nothing

I love the pkp

[stuck hazel]

tier one have been using the pkm for a bit now

[misty mesa]

I want a yugo one for my collection

[stuck hazel]

unofficial shit ofc

[valid lodge]

PKP wasn't produced by Yugos

PKP was introduced 98

only russians have em

[misty mesa]

What’s a nine Russian pkp then

Damnit

Pkm it is

Fucking

Russian ban

[valid lodge]

PKMN I would personally prefer if i had to go with a PKM

side rail

[stuck hazel]

PKP "Pecheneg" is fucking insane

i love it

[valid lodge]

PKP already incorporated it

[misty mesa]

I would drag my ass through a mile of glass to own one

[stuck hazel]

its genuinely mad

[valid lodge]

Da modded

[stuck hazel]

thats sick

[valid lodge]

Russians do love Thermals

[misty mesa]

He got dat scope

[stuck hazel]

for good reason

[valid lodge]

PKPs have also been seen with Elcans

Eotechs

etc.

Russian SOF has money

[misty mesa]

Eotec pkp is scary

[stuck hazel]

yup

russian SOF is no joke

[proud hazel]

so only their sof has what is standard for us

[stuck hazel]

not really pal..

[proud hazel]

not really what

[misty mesa]

The Russians kinda outclass grunts from the us homie

[proud hazel]

lmao

ok

[misty mesa]

We beat them in armor tech

[stuck hazel]

russian SOF have kit above that of the standard US infantry man

[proud hazel]

they dont even have optics

[stuck hazel]

above by nearly a country mile

[valid lodge]

1P87, 1P63 and 1P78 rn 👀

[valid lodge]

on par with US SOF

[misty mesa]

I get the patriotism but underestimating the enemy out of pride is death

[valid lodge]

their plates are very good

[proud hazel]

that does not even make it to issue, standard infantry have irons sights

[stuck hazel]

not really

[misty mesa]

Yes they do

[valid lodge]

they do

enough Ak12s have been seen with 1P87s

[proud hazel]

no look at war in Ukraine

[valid lodge]

1P63s are rarer tho

[misty mesa]

Dovetail optics

[proud hazel]

majority is iron sights

[misty mesa]

Again dude

[valid lodge]

majority yes, everyone no

[stuck hazel]

the majority of weapons used by Russian infantry in ukraine are not equipped with optics

[misty mesa]

We arnt siding with them

[proud hazel]

right

that is what i am saying

[valid lodge]

on training or equip?

[proud hazel]

us infantry has optics standard

[valid lodge]

I wouldn't want to go against SSO nor Delta

[misty mesa]

We are talking about sof

[proud hazel]

our sof vs theirs should be about par

if not ours is better

[misty mesa]

That’s…..

[valid lodge]

SSO yes definetly

[misty mesa]

That’s what we are saying

[valid lodge]

FSB depends

[stuck hazel]

yeah even though, like i said, russian SOF is no joke, western SF is objectively leaps and bounds ahead

[misty mesa]

Fsb is kinda like marine raiders

Low tech

Big fuck

[valid lodge]

some units

Vympel is a very good unit

Alfa is mainly CT and sometimes outside so those are like 50/50

[proud hazel]

ok we are on the same page now

i agree with blood

[misty mesa]

We always were

Lmao

[valid lodge]

what means leaps and bounds ahead?

or what do you intend to tell with that

[stuck hazel]

just with communication tech western SF fully outclass that of russia

[proud hazel]

i would also like to point out how 5.45 projectiles are not as flushed out as 5.56 and they dont preform as well

[stuck hazel]

however that kind of falls into factors larger than just the SF themselves

[valid lodge]

I wouldn't say that

[proud hazel]

i would

[stuck hazel]

just general tech is better in the west, you dont see Russians running juggernaut cases

[misty mesa]

5.45 and 7.62 are fine

[misty mesa]

This

Tech yes

Gear meh

[proud hazel]

i have seen 5.45 ballistics and the loadings are bad, and the terminal ballistics are not as good

[valid lodge]

juggernaut cases?

[stuck hazel]

the phone PC mount

for ATAK

[valid lodge]

7.62x39 is shit

[proud hazel]

they both under preform

[stuck hazel]

tell russian SF apparently

[misty mesa]

Eh, depends on the round

[valid lodge]

have you seen 7N22, 24 and 39?

[proud hazel]

the projectile has not been as flushed out

yes and

its not as good

[valid lodge]

In syria they use it cuz more common round

[proud hazel]

m855a1 is better and from a shorter barrel

[valid lodge]

that concept should be kinda obvious

[valid lodge]

7N24 literally being WC Core:

[stuck hazel]

you wont really find russian SF with PCs and helmets decked out in the same way as US tier one/2

[valid lodge]

[misty mesa]

Green tips to surplus 5.45 is not a good comparison

[valid lodge]

yes you would

[stuck hazel]

you wont

[proud hazel]

and the terminal ballistics are bad

[proud hazel]

even m193 to 5.45

or m193 to hollow point

[misty mesa]

I wouldn’t know on that end

[proud hazel]

5.45 has a better bc then 5.56 but the loads are under powdered and 5.56 will out preform in distance

[valid lodge]

should I search more?

[proud hazel]

russia does not have the r&d we do in small arms projectiles

[stuck hazel]

you dont need to

tell me what helmets they are wearing

because russian SF and CT are known for their shitty repro fast helmets

china fast helmets

[valid lodge]

LShZ 1+ or TOR

some do actual OpsCores and some guys even TW Exfils

the china fasts are more SOBR

or GRU or 45th ObrSpN

[proud hazel]

i also notice they dont have optics

[stuck hazel]

comparative to US standards

they are sub par

[valid lodge]

ye

[stuck hazel]

bingo

[valid lodge]

TOR BR2 not quite

but LShZ 1+

[stuck hazel]

i mean its just a MICH and you cant tell me different

[misty mango]

mfw i spot 4/6 rifles with optics

[proud hazel]

oh i see it now

[stuck hazel]

look at their PCs

[proud hazel]

gas tube mounted

[valid lodge]

different Shroud for NVGs and a little bit of different rails and velcro

[valid lodge]

ye weird too

[proud hazel]

i have ran my ak like that its ok

[valid lodge]

you see Siderail or dc mounted more foten

[misty mesa]

I’m out of my element now, I’ll see y’all around, was fun

[stuck hazel]

its a mich isnt it...

[proud hazel]

makes it heavy in the front and harder to control imo

[valid lodge]

BR2 is abotu NIJ 3A

[proud hazel]

espically with an eotech

[stuck hazel]

fucken knew it

[valid lodge]

BR3 is above NIJ 3A

9x19 7N21

[stuck hazel]

sick

back to PCs

im not seeing many JPCs

[valid lodge]

upper ones are Gladiator Cs

[stuck hazel]

ext

ext

[valid lodge]

Russians are more fond of CPCs, AVSs, Glads,...

I have a ref with a JPC tho

gimme a sec

[stuck hazel]

im not seeing AVSs

[valid lodge]

https://youtu.be/RXy2DSOtppI?t=49

[stuck hazel]

CPCs sure

[valid lodge]

I don't have a ref rn

but I've seen some AVSs

some legit some AA clones if needed in Atacs FG

also I don't get why JPC here and there

I personally am not a huge fan of the JPC

shoulder straps are meh

[stuck hazel]

fair play

but either way

the plate carriers seen by US tier one

and even some tier two at this point

could be considered more effective

[valid lodge]

in what way

[stuck hazel]

the way they are typically set up

[misty mango]

set up is mission and operator preference

[stuck hazel]

im waffling at this point

[stuck hazel]

yeah im aware

i was thinking that when i went to say "uhhhh placcards"

[valid lodge]

placcards meh

[misty mango]

wouldn't rock a huge ass comms and GL setup if i was doing counter terrorism

[misty mango]

placards have their place

definitely more of a CT or civ use

but theyre still useful

[valid lodge]

civ use i would say

you don't change loadouts often if CT or SOF

except you are a specialist or smth

[proud hazel]

avs is the way to go imo

i regret my placards

[misty mango]

thats more what im getting at
specialists

[stuck hazel]

i very much disagree

[valid lodge]

CPC over AVS imo as CPC takes soft without extra mods

but AVS dope

very modular

[proud hazel]

dont want soft i have standalone lvl 4

[stuck hazel]

you can also get some very good universal placcards

[valid lodge]

I mean for the obliques

[proud hazel]

yea i run esstac deadrons

[valid lodge]

/sides

one hit to the obliques is pretty much your end

[proud hazel]

i would still not run soft there

if i get hit soft wont stop .223

[valid lodge]

frag

[proud hazel]

maybe

[valid lodge]

and you can run sideplates on both

AVS and CPC

[proud hazel]

yea the avs attachment is what i like about it

[valid lodge]

or you have both

if I just could get the issued plate set

[proud hazel]

the jpc 2.0 uses avs attachment that is what i want to upgrade to

[valid lodge]

also if somebody has a good eye maybe you can spot smth

https://youtu.be/EonzGzU-CC0 on the topic of the issued plate set

M993 go stop

[stuck hazel]

such a small minority than actually end up with these plates that its to be expected that they are insane

[valid lodge]

meh they are standard issue with every glad carrier since their inception in 2012-13

and Fort is improving them now with a switch from SiC to B4C

they are pretty light too

with 3.5 lbs per plate for a about XL sized plate

[stuck hazel]

who gets issued glad carriers now days

[valid lodge]

They are used in the Gladiators, their sucessor the Goplits and the Mine suits I talked about before

Goplits are widespread with sso

Glad Cs are commonly seen with fsb to this day

altho pretty dated already

love my 2014 dated one tho

also got a rare af Atacs one from 2017

shot up platebag only tho

you can wear em like this easily

they even have some stretch cummerbund

you fit em to your needs

Who gets em Issued:FSB and SSO

also the Zaslon teams in SVR get em issued

[mighty vortex]

are the official USEC velcro patches on the eft website good quality?

or are there any other 3rd party ones that are better?

[exotic rivet]

^

[fickle bison]

you may not like it... but this is peak performance

[low fox]

Fastest mags

[formal hamlet]

Goplit

Based

[mighty vortex]

asking this again^^^

[snow scarab]

yes they are, but you can find them cheaper on etsy and easier/quicker to get

[valid lodge]

that is not a Goplit

and thst by a longshot

[formal hamlet]

Oh shit you right my bad

[formal hamlet]

Glad

[mighty vortex]

do you know how long the shipping is from the official store?

[snow scarab]

from what i’ve heard it can be weeks

vs etsy will be a couple days

[tight peak]

ordered to europe on 21 of june and its still not here

they also havent responded to my email when i wanted to cancel the order

[left flax]

Don't order from the official store

[harsh sentinel]

the toe 😂

[lone gazelle]

got some new gloves

[hearty echo]

why the grass grippers why

[proud hazel]

nice who made them

[lone gazelle]

grease monkey, right now they are on sale for 15 bucks from amazon so i grabbed a pair

roughly compares to mechanix in terms of quality

[granite tartan]

Why you have watch on inside 😦

[misty mango]

comfy

i wear my watch on the inside because its comfy

[granite tartan]

I have issues with it

[lone gazelle]

several reasons, it feels better, it hides light from the watch better, and it just looks cool

[granite tartan]

Does it tho?

[lone gazelle]

yes

[granite tartan]

@lone gazelle you shoot guns?

[smoky siren]

Blap

[misty mango]

doesn't glare as easily either

[granite tartan]

i dont like slapping my magazines with my watch face

[sudden depot]

I just got one watch I worn for years

Doesn’t break

[left flax]

I got the funny Chad bag from Zavod Trud

[stuck hazel]

Kit nearly finished

[stuck hazel]

Main takeaway is new PC

[misty mango]

LBT?

[stuck hazel]

Indeed

[granite tartan]

You realize what those loops are for right

[stuck hazel]

not for shotgun shells

[granite tartan]

kek

[snow scarab]

what radio is that?

[stuck hazel]

S h e l l

It’s a dummy for cosmetics until I have the money and friends to justify a comms set up

Friends with money and a stupid expensive hobby…

[snow scarab]

felt that

[stuck hazel]

tell you what it serves the cosmetic purpose

[lone gazelle]

has anyone actually used the LBCR rig from tarkov? i plan on getting one eventually, once i get a job and can flesh my kit out from just clothing https://lbtinc.com/collections/wbl/products/1961ar

https://lbtinc.com/products/6094slk i also plan on getting a slick

https://lbtinc.com/products/6094?variant=12851648069675 alternatively there's the MPC which i could set up myself, and would probably be overall the same as the slick/LBCR combo

[snow scarab]

get the MPC if anything. slick is only useful if running light as shit.

[lone gazelle]

im probably not going to be running it very much at all, at most imma be wearing it for fun
that's basically what i do with my gloves and hat

[snow scarab]

personally i run with a bunch of shit on me and i like PCs with a bit more real estate to em

that’s why i have a banshee, lots of room for accessories

[lone gazelle]

this will more or less be for a range kit, outdoor if possible but probably mostly indoor

[stuck hazel]

go for the low vis over the slick

its literally a slick with molle on the front

[lone gazelle]

MPC?

[stuck hazel]

no the

hang on.

https://lbtinc.com/collections/plate-carriers/products/6094lp

[snow scarab]

make a kit that will be useful irl, not just at the range.

[stuck hazel]

if you want to run a slick kit, you can just use this

[snow scarab]

everything you need should be on your kit. medical, ammo, radio

hydration

[stuck hazel]

if you want to bulk it out a bit like i did, you can simply replace the cummerbund

[snow scarab]

which will still be needed even at outdoor ranges

[stuck hazel]

and get some shoulder pads

[lone gazelle]

yea i plan on mostly using the public outdoor ranges im near, but the closest one is sign up only, and the nearest good one is like 1.25 hours away

there's like 3 good indoor ranges within 30 minutes so i usually would use those

[snow scarab]

my closest one is an hour away, way worth it tho.

[lone gazelle]

agreed, since im not old enough to go on my own we planned to go to the nearest public outdoor one but we had to go to our other go to because of course it was closed on the one day we could go

[snow scarab]

how old are you?

[lone gazelle]

15

[stuck hazel]

[timber cargo]

Rough

Imagine not making your own rig out of leather and a deer ribcage

[stuck mica]

Don't mind the grippers

[timber fog]

You heard em boys, toes are still fair game

[stuck mica]

Aye chill man

[timber fog]

[ornate ocean]

what headset do you have?

[stuck hazel]

Sordin supreme basics

Part of the reason why I don’t have a proper coms set up

[deft mason]

tarkov made me get a burris tac 30 and fortis shift

lbt 6094 plate carrier with lvl 3+ ceramic sapi large plates

non airsoft - odin works upper and f1 firearms lower assembled by me, carakoted distressed fde

working on a helmet and thermaal

[stuck hazel]

Damn we all be rocking the LBT now days

That PC sale hit hard

[deft mason]

for real

i have a defense mechanisms XL pc inbound in trop[ic multicam

got highcom xl ceramics for it

[stuck hazel]

Very nice

Tropical multicam is a bit of a rarity

[deft mason]

i'm in FL so tropic mc makes sense

got the lbt in mas grey

[left flax]

Tarkov also seems to have made your face all pixely n shit, I hope they find a cure for that

[deft mason]

opsec dude

[left flax]

Opsec? Sick codename

Also what's that jacket
Shit looks nice

[deft mason]

i started with lapg combat shirts which is what's in the picture

as i learn i've moved on to direct action clothes

[left flax]

Ah sweet

[deft mason]

lapg is a very nice shirt for 40 dollars

[left flax]

Aye sounds fairly cheap tbf. Will take a wee look

[deft mason]

has breathable sides which is nice

[left flax]

What's it made from?

[deft mason]

stitching is decent compared to higher cost stuff

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-combat-shirt.html

[stuck hazel]

Very cool

[urban dawn]

Their boots are very nice

[exotic rivet]

I regret not getting a Slick during the sale

Fuck

[snow scarab]

lvl 4s are worth it

[snow scarab]

LAPG is chinesium

[stuck hazel]

you should

[deft mason]

Yeah I wouldn't get lapg plates

I got a set of highcoms and a set of RMA plates

[granite tartan]

What part of Florida

I just left FL

[deft mason]

Central

[granite tartan]

Tragic

Soflo the gang

[timber fog]

Whatever mod that was who deleted what was clearly nothing more than a joke, I just want to say this:

Wow rude

[deep ocean]

what did you say

or send

[sand karma]

Whats the ergo :?

[final panther]

0

[stuck hazel]

Correctly utilising my LBT 14L daypack

[vocal cosmos]

Lul

[misty mango]

the digestives

cant leave the house without em

[plush topaz]

Lbt is the tids

Best toiletry bag ever lol

https://lbtinc.com/collections/accessory-pouches/products/8009abc

[pulsar tusk]

Any NVG bros here?

I need help Identifying something i got

Oe russian militaria experts

[granite tartan]

I like NVG

But not garbage

[timber fog]

I said (jokingly, obviously) that someone should pay for my entry into a raffle for NODs and got warned for “begging for money”

[fickle bison]

Should've put (it's a joke but not really) behind it

[timber fog]

Next time 🤷🏻‍♂️

[lone gazelle]

https://www.tacticalxmen.com/YAKEDA-GHOST-Modular-Tactical-Vest-Plate-Carrier-Vest-p1406695.html?variant=2983596 i found a pretty dang cheap plate carrier, should i try and get it? (120 with shipping costs, reviews are mostly positive)

[snow scarab]

no

thats an airsoft plate carrier

https://www.shellbacktactical.com/shellback-tactical-skirmish-plate-carrier/ @lone gazelle good quality PC from a good company

they also make good body armor

[lone gazelle]

doesn't come with pouches so i'd have to set that up

and getting those pouches would make it like 300 bucks for the full configuration im thinking of

[snow scarab]

don't trust shit that comes with pouches

means its cheap and low quality

especially at that price point

[lone gazelle]

if i had enough money i would be getting an LBT carrier

[snow scarab]

this will give you what you want, plus you can buy higher end shit like TACOs

[rain pebble]

I mean do you intend to LARP with it or set it up for work or home?

[snow scarab]

LBT is decent but depends on what you are gonna use it for

like my buddy who is a tanker uses an LBT slick

but that makes more sense than me, a combat engineer, using it

[lone gazelle]

larp / wearing it for literally no reason

[rain pebble]

If its not something you are going to rely on to save your life airsoft carriers are fine

[snow scarab]

no

don't set up a kit "just for larp" cause then if you actually do need it you have a shit carrier

do what i do, i have a separate shitty carrier i use for airshit when i feel like doing it, then i have my actual set up for work/personal use

[rain pebble]

If you intend on using this for work or having it at home in the niche situation you get to wear armor, no don't cheap out

If its for airsoft/pictures a cheaper airsoft rig is fine

[muted gate]

Imagine not rockin your larp kit as your main kit

[snow scarab]

once i get my k19 i’ll have a larper kit for home use lmao

[lone gazelle]

im much more likely to get something that costs like 150 bucks rather than something that's like 700 bucks total for something like an LBT carrier, especially when i dont have a job yet, and cant get one for another like 8 months

[snow scarab]

ok at that point then don't worry about buying gear rn

but save up for something decently high end. don't have to go crazy and like go for an AVS/CPC from crye, but JPCs, spiritus, LBT, agilite, shellback, all those PCs in the 250-450 range will be much better than quickly buying something that is 150

[lone gazelle]

i can see why you are goin for a k19, seems pretty nice

[snow scarab]

very nice

[tender sandal]

Yes if you have money

[compact dagger]

Why you booli my k19

[snow scarab]

bruh i meant my other kit will become a larper kit lol. k19 is gonna be my personal kit

[compact dagger]

Ah, misread

Kinda want to buy their stuff again

But unless it's 200 EUR total it's gonna cost me in shipping and idk how much

Want their pp pouch and some single mag pouches, only problem is idk if they will fit g36 mags

[misty mango]

just shave off the wack ass bits on the g36 mags

[snow scarab]

don’t buy international. buy from their store directly. shipping is free after 49 US but will take a couple weeks

[compact dagger]

Their shipping takes like 3 weeks regardless to EU

[compact dagger]

I have mostly smooth ones

Only some are with lips

[coarse laurel]

I love having the option between a JPC and K19

People who hate on K19 obviously never lived in a plate carrier for weeks on end @compact dagger @snow scarab

It’s also easier to air out

[compact dagger]

yea i just misunderstood what he said, thought he got k19 for larp

and not that when he gets k19 he will use it as main and old one will be larp

[coarse laurel]

I find myself fuckin sweating more on a JPC

[compact dagger]

and wdym easier to air out ?

[coarse laurel]

The padding is vented

[compact dagger]

ah

[coarse laurel]

Also u can how airable it is when you take it off and your combat shirt is not that soaked

[compact dagger]

one thing that I learned that will screw me up a bit is that its basically impossible to get CG cheekrest close enough

because the padding is so big

[coarse laurel]

Compared to a JPC

I never really had that issue

Then again you euro folks use different rifles

[snow scarab]

exactly. that’s why i plan to use the k19 for personal use. gonna take it into the woods for a couple days when i get it

[compact dagger]

well its grenade launcher

so we wont have to use it for long

still

still a bit angry at myself that bought k19 just like 5 months before v3 got released

[coarse laurel]

Same lol

I might buy an multicam arid ver

[snow scarab]

idk what to get honestly

prolly gonna get OD green

just cause i live in a semi forested area of kansas

[coarse laurel]

I get multicam everything

Only exception is AOR1 for airsoft

Since sometimes I have to play on milsim events with strict camo requirements per team

[compact dagger]

i got OD Green just because everything here is forested

and their options at the time would make me stick out like a sore thumb

which sucks when you have to sit in OP or smth like that

thats why i hate our vics

shit got imported from Americans or some shit so every plastic bit on the buggy is tan

[coarse laurel]

I stopped using regular mag pouches for them too

I just use placards

HRT Maximus is a def recommendation

I got room for my medical shit

While being able to carry more ammo

[compact dagger]

need to decide which i want more, combat belt or penis pouch

[coarse laurel]

The front pouch also can be converted to a mag pouch for AR to pistol or SMG mags

[compact dagger]

belt would be there so i can take off the side pouches and buy 4 1x ones

[coarse laurel]

I just need to get better wings

[snow scarab]

belt

dick flap is last priority lol

[compact dagger]

its useful for putting maps or radio batteries in

but if i remove the side mag pouches ill get better access to admin pouch regardless

now i need to find a good belt locally

[coarse laurel]

Dick flap is really only a priority if ur a medic who hates reaching into the aid bag on the fly hahaha

I made it a challenge to not open my aid bag during training

And just keep all my MARCH shit on my person

My biggest challenge now is to find a rugged NVG pouch that isn’t oversized

[compact dagger]

now the challenge is to find good snap on belt

found 1 quickly but turned out you need to insert normal belt into it

and i cant be fucked to put on the belt everytime when i need to throw it on

[snow scarab]

seems like most of them are made for 31As for some reason

[valid lodge]

on MSW NATO is MC, what other events require AOR1?

also very based AOR1 enjoyer

[coarse laurel]

American milsim

[valid lodge]

ah

What stuff in AOR1 u runnin?

AVS?

CPC and AVS Prices in AOR1 are ungodly

[snow scarab]

that’s cause they are military contract only just like crye aor1 pants

so they are either expensive af stolen shit or crye started selling that shit

[snow scarab]

i wanna go to one of their things so badly. once i get all my shit imma try some milsim

[stuck hazel]

That’s bad logic

There are questions that need to be asked before you say shit like that

I feel like far too many people missed out on the LBT sale

Myself not included

[snow scarab]

how so? set up a kit to be useful in real life, not just for airsoft

[valid lodge]

no shit sherlock

why the fuck do you think I paid 3k for a unplated but softarmored Carrier set

got scalped hard on it tho

[snow scarab]

first off, paying that much is not worth it

[valid lodge]

it is

idc

[snow scarab]

doesn’t matter what fucking brand it is

[valid lodge]

My man I'm already 7k deep in gear I really do not have to care

I have both reenact and personal kit

[snow scarab]

7k would make sense if it’s a PC, plates, helmet, and night vision

not half of that being in a PC alone

[valid lodge]

The funny stolen FSB carrier

[valid lodge]

NV is like 5k+ alone here for Gen 3 high end GP or low end WP

[snow scarab]

wtf

[valid lodge]

welcome to Europe

[snow scarab]

you can build night vision here for like, 2.5 if you get good tubes and a housing

[valid lodge]

I know

[snow scarab]

hell, i’ve seen people spend about 15k making their own quads

[valid lodge]

with better foc

fov*

120 compared to 97

I know all that

but ITAR is a hoe

I can't even get Soft inserts for my CPC

it's ass

[muted gate]

bad patch is bad

[valid lodge]

15th Sep is still my fav patch

[muted gate]

I rock a ZR flag for memes

[valid lodge]

Zased

Got it as a gift from one of my sellers

he has a fuckton of em

[burnt tulip]

N

[valid lodge]

Nased

[left flax]

put it back where you found it

[low fox]

You live in NY or sum?

[snow scarab]

pretty sure he’s a euro

[low fox]

Mega oof

I'm thankful I live in the states

[fluid plover]

They have restrictions on armor?

Kind of goofy.

[snow scarab]

oh yeah

most do any way

i know the UK does

and france

germany is dope af tho. if you have a license, you can own it. SBR laws aren’t BS, and suppressors are cheap af

[burnt tulip]

no we don't

most of countries do not

except britland ofc bc you know

[low fox]

Bri'ish

[burnt tulip]

innit' m8

[low fox]

Not really, they're gun laws are supper restrictive

[low fox]

Bloady Raight Maight

[burnt tulip]

"they're" 💀

[snow scarab]

how so? i know a buddy who literally just bought a 416 10.3 with no extra steps

sure they have some dumbass laws like flashlights and shit

but otherwise it’s pretty decent

[low fox]

It's varies drastically from place-to-place

[burnt tulip]

you have to do a lot of paperwork you just don't run into gun shop and buy a fkng 416 like this

[snow scarab]

in germany?

[low fox]

Yeah

[burnt tulip]

yeah it's a federal state

[low fox]

German gun laws are a bitch

[burnt tulip]

real

[low fox]

The best countries for gun laws are the US and Switzerland is right behind

[burnt tulip]

yes

I mean it depend what state

of US

ofc

[low fox]

Anything but California, NY and Massachussets

With all their unconstitutional bullshit

[burnt tulip]

yeah basically

strip loaded ARs 💀

[low fox]

Pain

[night rock]

Hawaii, Maryland, NJ, CA, NY, Massachusetts

And I'm forgetting two more that's super restrictive

[low fox]

Oh yeah, I was just stating a few

[muted gate]

illinois

[low fox]

Vermont

[outer quail]

virginia

[snow scarab]

@coarse laurel took us 6 hours to drive 3:30 cause of army. i was stuck in a HUMVEE too and i’m tall af

[rain pebble]

What about Vermont gun laws is super restrictive?

[stuck hazel]

Because not everyone lives in a situation where they have the means to set up a real kit

Like it’s good to say that

But when the person you’re saying it to lives in the UK for example

To summarise: there is no point telling someone who may not even be able to own a firearm to go out and buy a real kit for airsoft

However if said person has all the means, you are absolutely correct in what you say

[stuck hazel]

Bad opinion is bad

[misty mango]

tbf as a fellow brit
my gear may only be for airshit but i do set it up for real use

[fickle bison]

you're telling me that not everyone lives in America?

I thought everyone I met is an American because I've never left the states

[stuck hazel]

That’s fine

But you get my point

[low fox]

wasn't a meme you dipstick

id rather use other words but im unable to

nice job gonna suppress any form of British loyalism and after all the countries going true at the moment shame on you idiots

[stuck hazel]

Damn dude took the deletion of his Britain chad memes to heart

[fickle bison]

They literally also deleted a picture of someone's Z patch, you're not special bud.

[snow scarab]

eh the Z patch can be seen as political

[low fox]

don't have to be special to complain do i you f*ggot

[snow scarab]

oh damn look, it’s a bitch

imagine using slurs cause you have a tiny dick

[fickle bison]

Nice job projecting yourself

[low fox]

cant send the message otherwise

[fickle bison]

Ratio'd, also Rip bozo 💀

[snow scarab]

huh i wonder why. it’s ok, we all know now you get no puss

[low fox]

my brother this isn't twitter your are not funny

[low fox]

don't see you spaming slurs either bud

[timber cargo]

We getting upset because of words over here?

[echo jay]

your (possesive) are not funny

[fickle bison]

He upset cuz mod removed his post 😂

[snow scarab]

yeah cause i’m not a POS human being 😂 don’t be salty about a post being removed.