irl-weapons

[round sentinel]

The p90 chassis

[thorny flame]

do you have lego man hands

this is not an ergonomic shape

[round sentinel]

Is actually such a massive upgrade

[blazing temple]

dont you judge my hands

[thorny flame]

like what are we even doing anymore

PDW?

come on

[round sentinel]

I hate the handguard

😭

[olive meadow]

It means it sucks

Move to FL

[rocky matrix]

yes he said

[olive meadow]

I left in 2011, right before it turned into what it is

[rocky matrix]

aight

[lunar marsh]

We’ve been in discussions to move

[rough steppe]

yeah i plan on getting magpul AFG2 to replace it

[thorny flame]

https://fnamerica.com/products/accessories/fn-pureview/

NOW WE'RE COOKING

holographic pistol dot era

[summer plover]

Went and picked up that CZ40B, I enjoy shooting it but I'm still flinching on shot so all my shit is going way low

[thorny flame]

cool guns, my buddy has one

[summer plover]

I now have a 75 compact with a full size slide on it, a P01, and the 40B

[thorny flame]

are we just avoiding the full size guns or what

[summer plover]

Well I had a BD and the compact. Then I bought the P01 frame and put the compact slide on it then put the full size slide on the compact and honestly it shoots really nice

And I'd definitely consider the 40b a fullsize

[thorny flame]

i mean just the normal SP-01/shadow/etc

[summer plover]

Well the full sizes are kinda bulky for a carry gun, and it doesn't make as much sense for a "house gun" because I've got an AR and the CZ40 for that

[thorny flame]

kind of an interesting line of thought without a glock as a carry gun

[summer plover]

That's what the P01 is for

[floral veldt]

[round sentinel]

Yeah this is cool

[blazing temple]

🤔

[true mist]

seems like a potentially goated passive aiming solution

[plush warren]

Oh yeah we’re balling

[lone moss]

Enjoy the worst shooting experience of your adult life they are pretty though

[round sentinel]

worst shooting experience
not a crossfire mk1 or 2

Pick one

[plush warren]

I’ve shot a stock glock 19 before a PPK is an old friend by comparison

[plush warren]

Oh yeah plus it matches my .22 ppk :3

[tired aurora]

nah makarov is worse

[lone moss]

Bro what the fuck are you even saying

G19 and .380 ppk is miles away in comparison

[lone moss]

Arguable tbh, the mak didn’t bite me nearly as hard as my ppk

[lone moss]

Bro I’d take a crossfire, before I’d take a ppk again. Only gun I’ve ever had that actively tried to hurt me no matter what I did

[round sentinel]

The crossfire is so ass

I would pay someone to never shoot it again

[lone moss]

So is the ppk in .380

[round sentinel]

It’s that bad

[lone moss]

Same

[thorny flame]

yeah the ppk is worse by far

[lone moss]

Regret ever spending money on this hunk of shit, it broke multiple times had to be warrantied, and sucked so much fucking ass to shoot

The .32 version totally pleasant and great fun

[thorny flame]

just by nature of the ppk having less grip

[lone moss]

.380 go fuck yourself

[lone moss]

Not even tbh, just every single edge is sharp and they like to bite you

I could get maybe a box in and my hand would be bleeding

[keen crescent]

absolutely sick dude!

[soft jay]

I guess that's why it's weapon of choice of the greatest spy in the world

It's sharp

[polar pecan]

❤️

[lone moss]

What’s funny is in dr no the first bond movie, there is never actually a ppk used in the entire movie

[soft jay]

What's the difference between pp and ppk besides size?

[plush warren]

I’m saying I despise Glocks

I figured the hyperbole was pretty apparent lmao

Besides I didn’t get it because they’re some wunderwaffe super weapon I bought it because it’s cool

Spent more money on dumber stuff

[lone moss]

I get it trust me I did the same thing and then discovered how awful of a shooting experience was, try to see if you can trade into a .32 version you’ll thank me so so much later

[soft jay]

Besides size

[lone moss]

Nothing, ppk is just a smol pp

Ppk= pp kurz

[lofty cedar]

😩

[round sentinel]

[blazing temple]

[plush warren]

I could do that, or I can just load some powderpuff .380 since it’s easy as pie :>

It got it for the novelty anyway

[lone moss]

Finally got the stupid laser off and cleaned took off some of the grip stuff that was peeling, we shall see if I keep or hock

[summer plover]

PTR or HK?

[swift timber]

Its a PTR-91

[summer plover]

Ngl I want a PTR but they're also just kinda impractical

[swift timber]

I mean honestly any battle rifle is but.....g3 slap tho

[summer plover]

Tru...

I wonder if they got an hk33 copy

[swift timber]

Maybe, but atleast with mine she chews the fuck outta the brass and she hits hard

[scenic jetty]

Fucking sigger 🫵

[summer plover]

Bro what the fuck

Who is buying an hk33 clone and wants mlok

[swift timber]

Plz dont dis sig

[swift timber]

Not me, I want bulk and heft

[summer plover]

I just hate how it looks

Honestly that would fuck hard with some wood furniture

[swift timber]

I was shooting my ruger and forget to adjust the gas block like a idiot, I wondered why my shit wouldn't cycle lol

[summer plover]

Ruger mentioned

[swift timber]

Love that

[ivory violet]

Is that dog jewish

[summer plover]

Only Ruger I'll ever buy was my secondhand mark iii target because fuck bendy bill ruger

[swift timber]

I got a sr556, first real ar they built after the lift

[swift timber]

Bill was a fucking FUDD

[summer plover]

Tell me why a mini 14 is worse in all ways than an AR-15 but three to four times the price

They still cannot take stanag mags

[swift timber]

A team

and Miami vice

[thorny flame]

people who want a more practical setup?

[summer plover]

Where's my AC556 bendy bill

[summer plover]

You're not buying an hk33 if you want pure practicality

[thorny flame]

i got bad news for you boss that's 95% of firearms purchases

the idea that the end user would want to accessorize something in violation of some sacred rifle configuration

[summer plover]

You're missing the point entirely

It should be quad rail

[thorny flame]

according to whom

[summer plover]

My opinion, which is obviously correct

[round sentinel]

I heard quad rail

Ayo

[swift timber]

I love quad rails

fuck Mlock

[plush warren]

I like both but I think we can all agree

FUCK keymod

[summer plover]

In Soviet Tarkov, Dickmod fucks you!

[scenic jetty]

Old sig I like

[summer plover]

Used case at the gun store has a p320 for 350, a p226 for 999

[plush warren]

True!

[summer plover]

Gotta add a Dickmod handguard with no adapter plates so that it's the most useless shit

[plush warren]

Kek

[thorny flame]

not a keymod enjoyer but you guys are not familiar with the genesis of those systems

[wooden frigate]

Do you grease your guns with motor oil and grease

It’s not so bad

[olive meadow]

I’d argue keymod has a better lock up, but was killed my magpul

[plush warren]

If you fr take anything anybody says in this chat with any level of credibility I urge you to reconsider

[thorny flame]

total quadrail death

[wooden frigate]

Didn’t know you sissy’s needed rails to protect your hands

[proven hearth]

Anyone who tries to hate on the superiority of quad rails is legitimately braindead and should be put into a lab to be studied

I will not hear anyone out about it. Get stronger hands.

[echo cairn]

You like fat rifles huh

[thorny flame]

M16A4 iron sight enjoyer

[proven hearth]

Im not convinced you even own guns

[swift timber]

Carry handle or Back up irons?

[olive meadow]

Neither.

45 offsetdof instead of back up irons.

[thorny flame]

team no BUIS

[olive meadow]

I still prefer my mlok too 😉 lol

[swift timber]

I just point shoot

[wooden frigate]

Should I grab a 12.5 super duty upper

[proven hearth]

Soft handed librul

[olive meadow]

Don’t even have them on the pistol.

[swift timber]

Nothing but flat top point shooting

[proven hearth]

Ew

DPP

[wooden frigate]

Woah

What’s with the anti dpp

[proven hearth]

It's a shit optic.

[wooden frigate]

Because you have to press it a bunch?

[olive meadow]

Well this optic is still rolling after 30k rounds lol

[thorny flame]

you would love the ongoing twitter shitfest rn

[proven hearth]

Ah yes let me deal with single button adjustment and the fragility of the design itself

Pass

[wooden frigate]

The single button is a bit annoying

[proven hearth]

Not to mention the .5in deck height

[olive meadow]

Fragile? You’ve seen my stuff. I beat on it lol

[proven hearth]

Yes, fragile.

[thorny flame]

it's just a legacy design

[olive meadow]

Never had to rezero on the stac and it’s been on there for 24k rounds. Was on the 320x5 before I got rid of that bomb.

[thorny flame]

i'm curious to see who else is going to put out the holo dots soon

insane that FN beat eotech to the punch

[proven hearth]

Why is this kid talking like anyone listens to his opinions

[olive meadow]

🤷‍♂️ my only issue with the DPP is battery life. And even then I just swap it every 6-8 months

[proven hearth]

Homie of mine had to RMA twice before he said fuck it because it kept cracking glass.

It's just an old ass design and there's far better dots out there for the price point of them new

[thorny flame]

leupold for whatever reason does not want to innovate at all

they're comfortable selling hunting optics at good margins instead of trying to beat holosun

[wooden frigate]

Honda what pistol dots do you like? Something like EPS?

[proven hearth]

Steiner MPS, holosun eps, 508t, got a 407c and a few others that im not digging out of the safe. Id take a bottom loading rmr type 2 before id ever buy a dpp again

It's just kind of aids to use. And i want to put an emphasis on that .5in deck height. That shit is actually regarded

The one thing the DPP really has going for it is its window size, which has been rendered useless with modern options

[thorny flame]

(also the lack of awful tint)

(which is why the battery life is ass)

[olive meadow]

I’d buy another 😅

[thorny flame]

it's just perplexing that they create these genre defining optics

and then just sit on them

[round sentinel]

All their innovation died in 2010

[thorny flame]

i think it's a financial thing

[round sentinel]

Honestly

I wouldn’t be surprised

[thorny flame]

well like, for example

the DVO

was a project for an engineer who liked hunting

shooting coyotes

[round sentinel]

It probably did drain them to build such wildly different systems every other month

[thorny flame]

and so if you consider the incentives for making shit

i think this is a lot of the shit leveled at Q as well, same kinda deal

[round sentinel]

For sure

[thorny flame]

these are commercial endeavors

my white whale is still one of the mark8s

which i'll get eventually

[round sentinel]

Counterpoint

Old quad dial mk4’s are funny

[thorny flame]

they're a vibe just obsolete

not so much optically, just turrets have come so far

[olive meadow]

@thorny flame from my understanding from a former rep a lot of leupolds dudes went to sig and started developing their electro-optics line.

Around 2013-2014

[thorny flame]

that's what i suspect

i've been meaning to trace the full lineage, but you can just see who gets the contracts

[olive meadow]

Yeah. That’s all hearsay obviously. But it seems to track.

[thorny flame]

just a reminder that sig is colocated in oregon

where leupold is

not a coincidence

[olive meadow]

I don’t disagree. I’ve actually been a fan of sig optics for awhile. I have several of their dots and…. 4-5 scopes?

[thorny flame]

big fan of the dots

[olive meadow]

Their higher end stuff is actually pretty good

[thorny flame]

most of the stuff is well thought out, you see it in the new shit

[thorny flame]

the ammo guy is really good, too

respected figure

[olive meadow]

For sure. If you remember there was a lull in new things from leupold for. Few years there too

[thorny flame]

i think too during that interim time

they poached a bunch of people from L3

which is when the UH-1 and stuff showed up

kind of see the latent results of that in the laser program under eotech as well

OGL etc

[round sentinel]

Oh yeah for sure lol

[thorny flame]

and now giant colt conglomerate is yoinking vortex people

maybe sig people, unclear

[round sentinel]

Probably sig

[thorny flame]

but i think the name of the game is who has the most money

well you need both

[round sentinel]

Vortex is still doing crack things

[thorny flame]

the engineering talent, and the govt/sales side

[round sentinel]

I would love that damn AMG dual zero LPVO

But that price. Not so much lmao

[thorny flame]

it seems to me that colt is trying to out sig sig

oh yeah

they hired the VP of product development from sig, the president is from L3/eotech

and the COO is from L3/Trijicon

plus the euro sales guy, and some laser spooks

and they own spuhr now as well as the vortex .mil people

[round sentinel]

[thorny flame]

so if daddy CZ is going to pay more plus you don't have the sig ick

seems like a good deal

[soft jay]

We all know PSA will buy out everyone

[halcyon verge]

hello, as part of my military training, I was given a rifle, which I believe is a semi-auto, we used the 7.62 rounds, can anyone help me to find the exact model of the rifle we used

[golden marlin]

It's a sks

[soft jay]

Looks more like norinco clone to me

[misty cove]

bayonet so probably

[proven hearth]

It's literally just an sks

What are yall on about

[golden marlin]

You really don't need to get specific because hundreds of thousands of them exist like

It's a SKS

It's like trying to cherry pick mosin's

It really doesn't matter

[main crescent]

no actually im pretty sure thats a gun

[misty cove]

idk looks like a spear

[ivory violet]

Im pretty sure in California’s book, thats a weapon of mass destruction

And va

[fallen epoch]

fully semiautomatic clipazine fed machine belt sniper nuke launcher

[floral veldt]

Funnily enough SKS is one of few thats compliant as is

Even the bayo is gucci

[golden marlin]

Except for yugo models

You are the only state that actually has it registered as a destructive device

[blazing temple]

Yuge models

[golden marlin]

Because of the grenade launcher spigot

[blazing temple]

San antonio women models

[floral veldt]

Yes

[floral veldt]

Good trade off imo

Wait San Antonio. I'm dumb

I read the "San" and automatically assumed SoCal

Although, my brother is moving to CO and taking the SKS with him, so I'm losing out on that

[proven hearth]

It's an sks, you're not missing much

[floral veldt]

Good enough for my broke ass

[proven hearth]

Simply buy more money

Ez

[red salmon]

Anyone know any good AK parts suppliers? I want to upgrade my Ak a bit and looking for som good places

[golden marlin]

What in particular are you looking at

Because internally wise there's not much you can really do outside the trigger

Externally wise yeah furniture I guess

Also, I should ask what do you have

Models matter

[red salmon]

Better furniture, a lighter trigger, extended charging handle nob, and a good muzzle device

And I have a pioneer arms forged ak47

[golden marlin]

Ooof

Better than PSA but not by much

Realistically I would just focus on the furniture

Or eventually upgrade

Pioneers not regarded very well as a company

Kind of surprised they're back

But I wouldn't really focus on the trigger. Typical AK triggers are really not that bad

Besides that, check out Midwest industries, jmac customs or some of the dealers for barwaris

Barwarus

[lunar marsh]

Best AK parts at the bottom of the Tigris and Diyalah Rivers

Unlimited and free

[golden marlin]

Like the only good trigger that you can realistically get for AKs are the ALG but for some of the cheaper AKs like the pioneer arms or just some of the crappy us made AKs the ALG will cause a lot more damage to the rear tang

[golden marlin]

If I could throw every single company that I don't like into that River I would

[red salmon]

Yeahhh I know they aren’t great but the one I have has been treating me pretty good all things considered

[golden marlin]

Still point doesn't change. Focus on furniture

I don't really see a point in upgrading the trigger when stock triggers tend to be better than what people make them out to be

And will put less strain on the rifle just because the only company making a upgraded trigger. That's kind of worth. It chose a not so great geometry profile for the hammer

[proven hearth]

Im with seb. Focus on the furniture, you can easily sink 1k just into that shit alone. Ak trigger is fine

[golden marlin]

Like the ALG trigger is fine. I just don't like that some of them can go down to 1 to 3 lb

Due to tolerance

Like if you shoot the gun enough to break the trigger in it should feel much better

[red salmon]

Fair far

[true mist]

for better furniture and muzzle device it really just depends on what you want

its entirely up to you

if you want a small catalog to look through to at least narrow down what kind of stuff you want to do research on, Id start by looking at the Khyber customs website

just to figure out what kind of parts are out there and what build you want to end up going towards

but then taking that baseline and doing more research based on what capabilities and aesthetic youre wanting

[scenic jetty]

I got luck and my Ak came with a tapco trigger in it

[proven hearth]

If your muzzle device isnt a suppressor then im going to poor shame you.

[golden marlin]

That's the only thing I wish tapco was still around for

[scenic jetty]

That trigger is insanely light now

Especially after shooting it a lot

[stark gorge]

chud blasta has been upgraded

[tropic zodiac]

The collimator scope is good

[tropic zodiac]

Is it chambered in 5.45x39

[stark gorge]

556

[tropic zodiac]

Really you basically made ak101

[stark gorge]

its a 101 clone yeah

[tropic zodiac]

Hell yeah

How much did it run you

Money wise

[stark gorge]

its the new meridian defense 101 so $1850

its for sure the nicest ak ive ever shot

[tropic zodiac]

My guess 700-800 damn 1850

[golden marlin]

If you're going to try to lie to people, do it better

[stark gorge]

what

[golden marlin]

Nevermind

Legit the color of the magazines

Are identical

To air shit ones

[stark gorge]

of what

[golden marlin]

It caught me off gaurd

[tropic zodiac]

Your a goob

[golden marlin]

It's not the first time people have posted airsoft in here

Trying to pass it off

[tropic zodiac]

True

[stark gorge]

these are just the Bulgarian shitter mags that are 13$

[golden marlin]

I know

[stark gorge]

i also got some cool plum ones

[golden marlin]

I have a bunch

Just the older brown ones

Not the new ones

[tropic zodiac]

5/10 times you can tell the gun is real

I would say it’s hard sometimes just because the air soft guns have really advanced and look very real sometimes

[stark gorge]

sadly aks in the us bottom out at that

[golden marlin]

The thing that's the dead giveaway to me that it's like airsoft is usually the mag

[stark gorge]

aks here are not cheap

[golden marlin]

And grip

Like If it has a really fat grip then it's probably airsoft and the mags are more blockier right up where the locking lugs are

But everybody always tends to have like the same brown color mag

[tropic zodiac]

Yeah I would have to pray and do a lot consenting for cheap ak

[golden marlin]

How you liking the new meridian aks

Cause I hear mostly positive

[stark gorge]

Best I’ve ever shot

[golden marlin]

Nice good shit man

[stark gorge]

Everyone who I let shoot it loves it

I’m hyped for the 102/krink coming next year

[golden marlin]

556 and 545 are always super smooth to run out of the platform

[golden marlin]

They are doing a krink too?

I thought they were just doing the 102 and the rest of the 100 series line

[stark gorge]

They have teased a krink coming next year

[tropic zodiac]

I need to shoot some real shit soon at a range I’ve been dying to get out there

[stark gorge]

On they insta

I’m taking the new scope out for a test drive tomorrow

[golden marlin]

Nice I wouldn't mind grabbing that

[golden marlin]

I've been so annoyed with like all the companies showing off really poorly made krinks

[stark gorge]

I really dig how soft it shoots

[golden marlin]

Same things with my 74

[stark gorge]

I’d like to have a 545 at some point but don’t want to pay 545 prices

[golden marlin]

545 is a lot cheaper now

It's on par with 556 prices

You only have like one producer right now besides Hornady

But the prices are not bad

[stark gorge]

If they have the krink in 545 I might grab that

[golden marlin]

I managed to get into it when 545 was at like $0.15 a round

[stark gorge]

This is a 101 they did in plum

I’m torn between a 102 in plum or a krink with classic wood. I’ll see what they put out and pick between em

[golden marlin]

Realistically the 102 would be the better choice

[stark gorge]

Next year should be cool

[golden marlin]

12.5 is a solid size

But the krink just has a vibe

[stark gorge]

Love the rink

Dream gun for a long time

But nobody makes a a good one

[golden marlin]

I've wanted one for years but the Bulgarian and Russian built ones are too expensive

[stark gorge]

If anyone can make a really good one, it’s meridian

[golden marlin]

And nobody really makes a good one

[stark gorge]

I have 100% faith because of how well this 101 has done so far

[golden marlin]

There was at one point through chaffers customs a parts kit where you could actually build it off of a wbp kit

But he hasn't restocked on those in a long time because his supplier for doing the manufacturing was failing on quality

But again like the parts kits for just bare bones was like 1600 or more

But good shit on meridian for picking up on development

They were probably the ones that bought all the tooling from kusa

[scenic jetty]

74 shoots absurdly soft though

[golden marlin]

It's great

[polar pecan]

Thats hot

I built up my krink for the "lucky scav roll" aesthetic.

[stark gorge]

nice, psa? or who made it

[polar pecan]

PSA shell, I parted everything out and replaced it with Zastava internals

[stark gorge]

nice

[polar pecan]

Shoots decent enough

[golden marlin]

No you didn't

You still have the stock trunnion

Wdym?

Also, the parts aren't really compatible too

Yugo spec vs psa's loose specs

[polar pecan]

Bolt carrier works. Should've been more specific

[golden marlin]

That really shouldn't work

And I would really check the head spacing on that

Idk why you decided to do that

[polar pecan]

Fur funsies

[round sentinel]

Even using the same pattern bolt you should still hardcore check

Just AK things

[golden marlin]

Yeah yugo spec and PSA

Aren't the same spec. The yugoslavians never got the technical data package

Sure. They did base some of their design off of what captured guns they had

But they never got any 74s

[round sentinel]

It’s like putting a 50 into a 12 gauge, sure it might fit, but it ain’t right

[golden marlin]

They very much took widely different approaches

[golden marlin]

Even then, like you weren't guaranteed, a maintained headspace

In my first AK, I swapped the original bolt out for a Polish one and it headspaced very well the first time and then after a few range trips I started noticing it reliability issues and it closed on a no-go

[proven hearth]

Have you ever seen someone fire a 50 out of a 12ga? Fucking projectile will just barely poop out of the barrel LOL

[golden marlin]

It's not ideal to mix tolerances

[round sentinel]

well, sometimes itll det

its so inconsistent

[round sentinel]

yeah lol

[golden marlin]

The closest I've seen people really do to mixing parts was with the original zpap pistols and putting a 4.5 mm trunnion on them

And that requires a lot of modification

To the receiver

[proven hearth]

I havent actually seen one det, ive only seen a few videos of it where the projectile barely makes it out

[golden marlin]

Like I don't like the PSA krinks I don't recommend them, but their internals are probably going to work better than throwing yugo shit in it

[proven hearth]

I still need to build out my parts kit tbh

[golden marlin]

I'm still waiting on one of the local ffls to get all of the tooling

[proven hearth]

I got a 556 barrel and parts kit that i want to build out. Need to get the barrel chopped and threaded though

[golden marlin]

I've sent him some parts kits to get because he's only bought receivers

[proven hearth]

I have like 1k invested into those ak builder jigs for my press, just havent gotten around to it yet

Jigs fixtures and shit

[golden marlin]

The FFL I know he's trying to finish building out one more motorcycle because he used to actually spend his time repainting motorcycles

And now he's just turned his shop into cerakoting guns

He does have quite a few different pieces of tooling

[olive meadow]

Just saying if you guys haven’t. Definitely recommend a Patriot games or tactical games. 😆

[golden marlin]

Just so you know

[olive meadow]

So soon. 😆

[golden marlin]

I may pick a 44

[olive meadow]

Only like 7 years too late.

[golden marlin]

Because of the 15 round mags

Real

Fucking real

[olive meadow]

I’ll stick with my Taurus. Thing is actually good

[golden marlin]

I have the mk4

[olive meadow]

I’ve played with the 44s even with 10 rounders they aren’t reliable.

[golden marlin]

And I don't need another Glock except for the 40

[golden marlin]

But like the biggest complaint I hear generally is that they are picky unless you are using hi velocity

[olive meadow]

And nowadays FRT makes the Taurus go brrrrt

[golden marlin]

Yeah but

Yeah

[olive meadow]

And 20+ round mags. 😁

[golden marlin]

I'm assuming the 44 will probably get that with a 15 round mags now

Just because people do have mag extensions for them

Those have been out for a long time for the 10 round

I just mostly want to stick to it Glock profile

Since I shoot Glocks mostly

[olive meadow]

Never seen a 44 that actually worked though.

That’s my issue.

I’ve shot 3

[golden marlin]

All with high velocity or just

Subs

[olive meadow]

Both

Some aguila plated, CCI standard and some federal auto match.

[golden marlin]

Oof

Idk

I'm on the fence

[proven hearth]

Oh that's sick

Yeah i dont think id buy a g44, all of the dude's ive heard of who own one has had issues with them

I unironically like my keltec cp33 alot lmao.

[golden marlin]

Besides the weird reliability issues. The only thing that really is making me want one is just because it maintains the Glock profile

So I can shoot 22 in my backyard

And not have to work with different grips

I'm not married to the thought yet but they are also dirt cheap now

[scenic jetty]

ive been reloading my own shotgun shells

[olive meadow]

Honestly I think the grip thing is overrated… I shoot both 2011s and Glocks no issue.

[golden marlin]

That's fair but like I do notice a slight difference for me because I'm using a Target grip

With a much steeper angle with my mk4

If I had something more traditional

To a modern grip type it wouldn't be as bad

Like I shoot both consistently enough where it doesnt matter as much

But I do want a new 22 at some point

[halcyon verge]

i did some research and indeed its a sks

[halcyon verge]

it comes straight from the Soviet

[halcyon verge]

dont the sks45 have a bayonet as well?

looks identical to me

[tired aurora]

pretty sure every factory sks that was military made has a bayonet

[grizzled oriole]

what is that optic and where did you find it

[golden marlin]

No, it's probably Chinese

It's mostly just the bayonet that gives it away

[golden marlin]

The only ones that really weren't were like the converted hunting models

[grave kayak]

Bro you are so funny

Thank you for your contributions

[halcyon verge]

how come? can you explain

[halcyon verge]

thank you, my fiance says that a lot as well

[golden marlin]

Russian sks rifles don't have that style if bayonet

[halcyon verge]

i really haven't noticed the bayonet that much

[golden marlin]

And are more common than Russian

[halcyon verge]

so you're saying, sks does have a bayonet, but it's more common in the Chinese variant or smth like that?

[golden marlin]

No it that style

I'm talking about the bayonet itself

That's the Chinese spiker style

Not a traditional bladed type

[halcyon verge]

they really didnt allow me to use the bayonet, so cant tell how it was

[golden marlin]

You can tell easily by staring at it

You don't have to touch it

It's literally a pin point

[halcyon verge]

the one i had wasnt a pinpoint

[golden marlin]

The one you posted is

[halcyon verge]

it was kinda like a fountain pen

[halcyon verge]

wait im confused

[golden marlin]

I cannot tell if you're fucking with me or are just being dumb

[halcyon verge]

I legit have no clue how bayonet variants work, and what do you mean by pinpoint

[golden marlin]

Ok think of it like this

It's not in the shape of a fucking knife

It's comes to a point

It doesn't get easier than that

[halcyon verge]

well the one i had was kinda like a screw driver

[golden marlin]

Omg you really are just being dumb

THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

It's a point

It may be in the shape of a screwdriver, but it's a point

It's not a fucking blade

[halcyon verge]

so a screwdriver shape counts as a point as well

[golden marlin]

[halcyon verge]

i thought you meant it was like a📍 at the tip or smth

[golden marlin]

No

[proven hearth]

Type 56s had both. Iirc they stopped importation of the spiker due to the assault weapons ban

[golden marlin]

It's just more common to see that spiker style

Like the Chinese made way more SKS rifles than most countries that had them

[proven hearth]

True

[golden marlin]

Russia stopped quick cause they adopted the ak shortly after they had the SKS

Cause the SKS was obsolete

Now it's just designated as a ceremonial rifle

[tired aurora]

ye but those are like not all that common (granted many had bayonets removed when being sold as surpluss but still have the hardware to mount one)

russian, west taiwan and yugo sks all have bayonets but all of them have differnt looking ones.

@halcyon verge

russian bayonet style

chinese

yugo

yugo ones are also instantly recognisable cuz they all have rifle nade muzzles

[proven hearth]

There's way too much sks talk happening

[blazing temple]

^

[golden marlin]

Yes

My table

It's going to seat a loading bench

I've been building this thing for the the past the month or so

[blazing temple]

😮

[west zealot]

Any AK guys know how this failure to eject happens? Never seen this before

[tired aurora]

was it an isolated incident or repeatable?

[west zealot]

Isolated, this is like the 3rd malfunction in almost 1k rounds

[tired aurora]

could be mags and ammo then. I've seen a similar faliure in a 556 Ak when the mag was not seated fully and ammo was cheap lackered steel case

i'd chuck it up to rng

[round sentinel]

Whose the manufacturer

It’s not a super abnormal malfunction, but it could be summed up to a bad part

Or mags/ ammo

[west zealot]

Psa ak 101, it didnt happen again and never happened before

Really just curious how it ends up sitting like that

[thorny flame]

check the extractor/bolt face

maybe the ejector is fucked up

[tired aurora]

my bet would be ammo and mag.

[thorny flame]

we can't see the case rim

[tired aurora]

could just be a combination fo a weak round, meh rim and mag not seating the round fully on loading.

[thorny flame]

well it did extract

but it didn't eject

[tired aurora]

ye but not ejecting in a ak can also be poor bolt velocity on that round.

or a stuck rim

[west zealot]

When I get home Ill take it apart and inspect the ejector

[thorny flame]

the opposite can also cause this though

if it's not holding the rim through the ejection cycle

it will just dump it in the receiver

[west zealot]

I wish I held onto that case

[tired aurora]

ye that too but my money would still be on just an rng bad round

[west zealot]

Yeah its not crazy good ammo

[thorny flame]

one of the downsides of the 5.56 over 5.45

[west zealot]

Winchester M193 target ammo

[thorny flame]

makes diagnosing this stuff kinda regarded

[tired aurora]

if it was under loaded and rim a bit too strong/weak it coudl easily cause that

[tired aurora]

556 ak?

[west zealot]

Yep

[tired aurora]

oh okay ye a more common malfunction on those comapred to 5.45 would be my guess

[thorny flame]

mystery meat 5.56 AK specs

mystery meat ammo

[tired aurora]

those extra 6mm on case lenght + an underloaded round could easily cause that

on a weak cycle

[golden marlin]

I mean it can be a million different things to cause it

Some of it can literally come down to parts tolerances

Some can come down to gassing

Some of it can be the fault of the ammo manufacturer

But also it doesn't really surprise me because it kind of happens a lot more with PSA

And just some of the other kind of crappier 556 AKs

Like you would probably be better off with the new meridian

Because that actually is 100 series spec

And so far across the board it actually functions properly

[west zealot]

I mean im 1k rounds through it with less than 5 malfunctions, my PSA is quite nice despite the haters

[golden marlin]

Dude, that's still not great to be honest

Like I've had plenty of rifles with no malfunctions for more than a thousand rounds

Like you can say your PSA is quite nice but it really isn't

Like the fact that many people have had them detonate over. You know recent times

Along with those being a heavy warranty series

It's really not

1k is really small of a round count but like I kind of expect that most rifles are not going to have issues for 1K

Under normal use

Like I would look at possibly checking your head spacing those guns are notorious for losing it

[true mist]

there are so many things that can be wrong with a PSA AK lmfao

[true mist]

5 malfunctions in 1k rounds is a lot in my books

[golden marlin]

Like within my time with my 104

I have had less than five malfunctions but this is also in a span of around 5,000 rounds

[red salmon]

Does anyone even make domestic 100 series Ak’s

[golden marlin]

And my issues were literally due to ammo and a crappy surplus magazine

[golden marlin]

If you can still find them kusa

[true mist]

domestic AK is the start of your problems

assuming youre american

[golden marlin]

But besides that meridian defense

They are really the only actual people making 100 series AKs on the US market

And all things considered at least so far I've heard positive things

But I haven't yet really seen what the long-term use is going to look like

But meridian defenses generally regarded highly

The kusa rifles as long as it was built properly which a good chunk of them were made very well

Those are pretty decent

Any other domestic company like rifle Dynamics and Krebs customs they are decent, but you're also looking extremely high-end AKs that are built off of Romanian kits

And those are AKM spec

PSA Will tell you they sell a 100 series AK but it's actually just a 74 or akm dressed up to look like one even their krinks aren't to spec the receivers are actually longer

[unique fjord]

PSA moment

No wonder why the USA made issue tracker is over half PSA alone

[golden marlin]

You can give them all the tools they need but they won't follow proper protocol

WBP also is doing a 100 series but they're doing the same thing akm and pol spec 74 made to look like a 100 series gun

Currently right now I believe it's only available in Poland

[red salmon]

I haven’t a KUSA ak since thy went out of business

[golden marlin]

They sold all of their tooling which meridian defense probably bought it

They are supposedly coming back

Like I've seen their website update and they've contacted some YouTubers and such

But it's the same management team

And it's just been nothing but radio silence from them right now

[red salmon]

Why did they even get rid of it in the first place, they were making money weren’t they

[golden marlin]

No

They weren't because they spent it all

The problem with kusa is even though they did make money

Due to really poor mismanagement of money and just management in general

They use their money in really poor ways like they bought a office building that they really didn't need

They hired some ex pstar

To be one of their competition shooters

They would host a lot of parties

When they became popular, the popularity went to their head

And then they would just do all of these commemorative guns that nobody would really buy because people in the AK community really don't care about that stuff

Even today to be honest a lot. People really don't care for commemorative stuff

So they end up having a massive layoff and they filed for bankruptcy because while they were doing this it was in that period where nobody was buying guns

[true mist]

hopefully if they come back, they just make an affordable, reliable, basic AK

[golden marlin]

Like in all honesty, the quality that they did produce was good because they couldn't afford to make a bad gun

[true mist]

if they dont blow their money and make a simple product, people will buy it as it gets validated over time

[golden marlin]

They had a couple times where their quality control slipped but they fixed it pretty quick

[livid holly]

@round sentinel I’m sending you another meme about IraqVeteran8888

[golden marlin]

Even then their blueprints they were following was very much like older blueprints so some of the failures they had were actually the same things that the Russians dealt with

Like with their kp9 the dust covers cracking was the exact same thing that happened on the older spec

[red salmon]

Lmao what, who did they hire

[golden marlin]

Bonnie rotten

She's some pstar

I have to censor that word because I'm pretty sure it's banned

[red salmon]

That’s hilarious

Honestly I would do the same ngl that would be some funny shit

[golden marlin]

Yeah like they made a lot of really poor decisions and what happened happened

[round sentinel]

Oh god

[livid holly]

That’s fucking hilarious

[golden marlin]

I can still give them a seal of approval at least for the quality because the wear that the guns produced were pretty much very close to import levels

[livid holly]

I wonder how my AK stacks up compared to KUSA AKs or other higher quality brands/builds

I got banned from the subreddit by some neckbeard mod anyway so

[golden marlin]

What did you get?

[red salmon]

I would do horrible things for a KUSA Ak

Or a parts kit build

[livid holly]

InterArms AK

Company that as far as I can tell no longer exists

From Houston, Texas

[golden marlin]

That can be a hit or miss and I would have to know what spec they were following

Because polish imports are kind of iffy

[livid holly]

It’s one of their “AKM47” models but idk if that would narrow it down any

[golden marlin]

Okay okay so inter arms was actually a part of pioneer

And a lot of the imports was older Polish spec

Which is terrible

Because they were following a cast system

[livid holly]

Ok….is there any way to improve it at all and its reliability or ?

[red salmon]

My pioneer

[livid holly]

Previous owner did swap the trigger out but that’s only one part of the entire fuckin build

[golden marlin]

So first off in order to check to see if it is a older import cast

Check the trunnion for seams

[livid holly]

I don’t have it on me

It’s back in Texas

[golden marlin]

Rip

Well, the only way to technically improve it if it's a cast build would be to pretty much rebuild the entire front end

Because casting is generally known for losing headspace a lot quicker and resulting in out of battery detonations

[livid holly]

He did also spray paint it but when I fly back on the 26th I’ll try to take some pictures

Idk if that would really hide seams

[golden marlin]

It should be somewhat pronounced

But it also really depends on how well they did the machining

[livid holly]

Alright

[golden marlin]

But really what you need to look for is like pitting

And seems

Those are kind of big giveaways of casting

It's really sad that the old import polish stuff was cast

Especially really old WBP

But I do like that the new stuff is coming in forged

[red salmon]

Thankfully my pioneer is forged

[proven hearth]

I just have a wasr. But idrc about ak's like that either so

I think theyre cool when done right sure, just not a massive ak guy. Still need to do my 556 build though

[timid belfry]

my buddy bought one of the new meridian drops and had to RMA it the first range trip lol

[golden marlin]

Dude that sucks

What happened to it

[timid belfry]

every time he fired it, with every ammo he tried, pieces of primer were ending up in his firing pin channel and causing malfunctions.

[golden marlin]

oh

too long firing pin

[timid belfry]

meridian thinks its an out of spec primer hole ig. accuracy was also funky so headspacing is being checked

[timid belfry]

this could make sense as well

[golden marlin]

weird

though like i think firing pin

cause i have a similar issue with my evo

[timid belfry]

yeah, my buddy was really bummed, 2k dollar AK out of commision the first range trip

idk its with meridian now

we shall see

[golden marlin]

hopefully its just a minor thing

[halcyon verge]

the Russian and the Chinese looks almost 1:1

[tired aurora]

is the pic too small for you? or just blind?

russian has a big blade style bayonet

and west taiwan one has a slim spike style bayonet.

that's a really big difference

[halcyon verge]

what else difference do we have between them?

I really hope you understand what almost means, if not I feel sorry for you

[tired aurora]

yes i know what almost means almost means small changes like markings in different places, sligthy different manufacturing processes etc stuff that's hard to tell on a photo. bayonets being different is a big change since it quickly visable even on photos.

[soft jay]

If it lacked bayonet

They would be almost

[rocky matrix]

shit is genuinely frying me lmfao

[true mist]

last of my new parts for my AK come in today, I keep refreshing the shipping page at work like thatll make it come faster

[soft jay]

That's autism

[mint helm]

Did you measure the firing pin and channel? Where the primers getting blown?

[true mist]

hell yeah

undiagnosed, unmedicated, just rawdogging life with cool hobbies

[gray nimbus]

223. Blyat

[dusty gulch]

[gray nimbus]

Cerakote Paint / Mkk-102 with Sureshot Kit 🙂

[gray nimbus]

saiga?

[dusty gulch]

nope ak74mn

[gray nimbus]

😍

[proven hearth]

Do yourself the favor and get a better mount.

[gray nimbus]

Its super -I used it on field no problem at all

I even used it while duty - scenario shooting in Military for fun purposes and it works fine

[proven hearth]

Lol k

Cool story

Anyway

[gray nimbus]

its not story

[golden marlin]

What your looking for

[gray nimbus]

it works excellent, not everything needs to be gucci that it works

[gray nimbus]

yes thats my duty rifle

standard issued hahaha

[golden marlin]

Not everything does but like the bare minimum should be a decent optic and mount

I like budget optics but I do believe there is a fine line

Like I'm having issues with a budget brand. I do enjoy

[true mist]

how do you like the sureshot chassis? idk if youve compared it to a more stock AK, but hows the weight? ive thought about getting one for a future gun, but i dont want a super heavy+front heavy AK

[golden marlin]

What am I going to do? I'm not going to use the optic no more

[gray nimbus]

it works men, most of people just use it for sport. I used it on field and it really worked. I had a eotech before but really for 1k with the same tolerance

[proven hearth]

He'll learn once he drops the rifle once on the optic and the mount shifts 8moa to the left

[gray nimbus]

idk men its like you would say to me apple is better because its apple

[golden marlin]

It's not the same tolerance not remotely

You are comparing two different optics with completely different systems

[gray nimbus]

there is xiaomi which performs the same and costs 90% less

[true mist]

ez, free offset mount if you drop it enough times

[gray nimbus]

there is a good phrase

[proven hearth]

The phrase is, stop being a cheap fuck.

[gray nimbus]

wait I translate it in english

everyone cooks with water

[gray nimbus]

stfu really

[proven hearth]

Cry about it.

[golden marlin]

That's not a good phrase for the gun industry

[proven hearth]

Ill call them like i see them.

[golden marlin]

Like everything's going to come down to how you actually use the optic and like if you're just using it on a flat range where you're just not actually putting load-bearing stress on the optic then yeah a lot of optics are going to function

[proven hearth]

Don't like it? Then dont talk in public servers

[gray nimbus]

Yeah you need to clap everything with eotech which does the same work as a normal sight

[golden marlin]

The problem is is once you start getting to the proper abuse side of it that optics are going to fail

[gray nimbus]

no I just doesn’t like boomers

[proven hearth]

I couldn't give a fuck less what you like kid

[gray nimbus]

for 50m it works very well

[golden marlin]

Like I don't buy eotech for everything. I like eotech. They're a great company but for a lot of my guns I'm using holosun because it's cheap but not all of their optics are good because they're micro. Red dots I think are pretty crap

[true mist]

They're not telling you to avoid budget brands, theyre saying there's a minimum level of viability and telling you where they think that line is

[gray nimbus]

we doesn’t use at all any sight in military except iron sights which most military dream of

[proven hearth]

Using irons in 2026 lmao

[golden marlin]

Again, we aren't telling you to avoid budget brands. We are just telling you you need to vet them better

[gray nimbus]

we learn with 16 how to shoot 200m and it works fine

You dont need gucci at all to perform

[golden marlin]

It's pretty common in other European countries especially Slavic

Literally Poland adopted airsoft comms

[true mist]

well id hope so, 200 isnt long range

[golden marlin]

Instead of investing into good ones

[gray nimbus]

Yeah american doesn’t even hit at 100m

[proven hearth]

In poor countries you mean

[golden marlin]

Most of my shooting is beyond that point

[gray nimbus]

Yeah its not that easy then said

[true mist]

have you actually looked at the american military rifle qual or are you just talking out of your ass

[proven hearth]

Hes talking out of his ass

[true mist]

200 is cake

[proven hearth]

I probably shoot better out to 200 with my 1022 than he does with his ak

[golden marlin]

Like again just invest in a good optic

Doesn't have to be expensive. Same thing with a mount. It doesn't have to be expensive is just needs to be good and meet the bare minimum

[true mist]

i regularly shoot out to 200 in 2 gun matches, and thats not a precision match its just a normal carbine match

[gray nimbus]

I‘m 100% sure that most of you talk big but if you need to qualify, the most of you would not even hit a shit on 200m with iron sight

[golden marlin]

I rarely shoot 50 yards with rifles cause anyone can do it even really bad optics are capable of doing that

[true mist]

i dont think you understand how trivial 200m is with a modern rifle

[proven hearth]

And to think all of this stemmed from the fact I said to buy a better mount.

[true mist]

you just arent as good or as qualified as you think you are, and youre ascribing this mythical status to something thats pretty bare minimum

[gray nimbus]

yeah and I still doesn’t listen - if you want to buy that 800$ Sight do it

[true mist]

that's like saying a 50m pistol shot takes some crazy skill when its really just baseline if you actually train

[true mist]

no one is saying you have to buy a $800 sight bro

[golden marlin]

Well the part you also skipped out on was the optic too because that's an airsoft cheapo Amazon

[proven hearth]

Been there done that.

[true mist]

theyre saying that if youre buying a $100 red dot, you should make sure you pick a good one

[proven hearth]

Next

[golden marlin]

Literally this

Just pick a good one

The problem is when you get down to the really cheap line of optics, there's a lot of variation

[proven hearth]

If you only have 100 to spend theres really no point in not going holosun

[golden marlin]

If you haven't actually had the experience of being able to see how both optics really do compare over time and abuse then yeah you are going to say really stupid things like well it's JuSt As GoOd

Because it really isn't

Like yeah you're saying this is your duty optic that you're using but like you haven't clearly used it

[true mist]

when youre on a budget, the way you spend your money matters way more
if you randomly pick from a line of $750-1000 optics youll most likely get something good, but if youre picking between $100 optics the way you choose what you buy matters a lot more to ensure you get a good value

[golden marlin]

There's no marks on it

You haven't tossed it around

[true mist]

something can be cheap but still a bad value

[golden marlin]

You haven't really used it

[proven hearth]

A vector as a duty optic lmao

[gray nimbus]

Yeah exactly — for my purposes it really comes down to iron sights and CQB training, that’s basically it. For distance I’ve got my SG anyway, which handles 300m without any issues, shoots very smoothly at that range. And in Switzerland that’s mandatory, you have to hit 300m or you’re out.
.

[golden marlin]

Like my budget optic options that I usually go to if I'm looking for Budget, optics is usually going to be holosun

Because they make the bare minimum of a decent optic that is passable

I know because I have three of them and out of the three one of them I don't like

[proven hearth]

He keeps saying this like 2-300 is hard

(Its not)

[golden marlin]

It really isn't

[gray nimbus]

You say that so easy… wth is wrong with you, we lose every year 50-100 people because they cant hit shit at 300m. And I mean we are more then 500.000 Military Personnel

[modest hatch]

With irons? Sure. Difficult.
With anything better than irons? Easy

[gray nimbus]

like just you can it doesn’t say others can to because its easy

[true mist]

you keep acting like youre shooting at some crazy far distances but US Marine rifle qual is up to 500 yards and thats a minimum expectation of competency, most US civilian shooters who train are going to easily surpass that minimum ability in short order

[gray nimbus]

its not because you need the interest in it

Settings on the iron sights can do alot, you hit pattern can change with 3 clicks but you need the interest in it

[gray nimbus]

average american

[proven hearth]

Shooting irons is not hard either. Its called getting time behind your rifle.

[true mist]

you just dont know what youre talking about and want to think youre significantly better than you are

peak dunning kruger

[gray nimbus]

Ah okey I‘m serving but you know it better😂

[golden marlin]

Like it's very easy

[proven hearth]

Your military service means nothing about being a good shooter

[gray nimbus]

Yes right bro

just sign the contract

[true mist]

youre right bro, your european infantry ass with bottom barrel conscript-tier training for the masses knows more than the people in here

[heavy salmon]

Know it alls in this chat

[proven hearth]

You can be mad as much as you want. You'll never know the truth and believe what you want regardless

[golden marlin]

I was literally shooting that distance with basic AK irons back in 2018 when I first got my first ak

[heavy salmon]

Online operators

[true mist]

your entire training is based around taking the largest number of people and funneling them into a basic level of adequacy, most civilian shooters are going to surpass that ability and thats not even counting the fact that youre not the only person in one of the services in here

[gray nimbus]

fr

[gray nimbus]

just sign the contract bro

[modest hatch]

That's why I said difficult. Not hard.

[true mist]

i already went to college and work in law enforcement, im set, but thank you

[golden marlin]

It's not even difficult, especially on like a man size Target. It really isn't

[modest hatch]

Not all irons are the same either

[gray nimbus]

Law enforcement is not military - two completely different types of work

[true mist]

i didnt say it was goofy

[gray nimbus]

others use gun for protection and the other for war

[true mist]

dont go on a tangent

[golden marlin]

They aren't all the same. Yeah but like for the irons that he's trying to claim are so difficult really aren't

[true mist]

also yeah we already know cops cant shoot for shit, believe me i see it every single day

[gray nimbus]

Its 2 different intensions

[golden marlin]

I grew up shooting the same rifles

Like this video I still have saved because it was from like 2018 when I really started getting into shooting

[true mist]

law enforcement, including being on a pistol marksmanship team, has done less than nothing for my ability as a shooter, training as a civilian in america makes you a much better shooter on every level than any form of LE training

[modest hatch]

Why I was speaking in general terms. With AK irons I would need a few shots, but could probably do it in 5 or 6. Going to guess they are better than my VZ24 irons that I'm used to shooting with.

[golden marlin]

With an AK I was capable of doing it. Literally one of my first range trips

[true mist]

200 on a man sized steel target is still light work with AK irons

[golden marlin]

Because my buddy and I we didn't have the money to buy a good optic

And we were doing everything about 200 yd

218 M

And we were easily able to do it on a man's size Target

Like anybody is capable of doing it especially with irons the problem is it all boils down to proper training and skill

If you are not properly trained then yeah of course you're going to struggle

If you have the right people to help you along then it's really not hard

[gray nimbus]

look I stay on my words - if you know it better then sign the contract. To blame european military on bad training is not a way its just proof my point that ur not serving. We dont have every second day a school
shooter, we have professional shooters everywhere in switzerland and zero gun violence, and if I say everyone I mean everyone. The US is just involved in every war and has alot of experience, thats true yes but does it make it a better military? not at all because how much war crimes did the us? yes thats the only good thing. If you can‘t kill Terrorits you start to hit Civilians because they make a better target which doesn’t shoot back. Does it make you a better military? no.

So its just the interest and the people which protect your country which forms a good military. If you hit 300m thats fine, its great because not every person is that interested in it, and we dont have gucci equipment and still we got a good performance in the European side

[golden marlin]

Now you are drastically getting off point and pushing the goal post to try to talk shit

[modest hatch]

Wow thats a side track from the main point

[heavy salmon]

[golden marlin]

Like completely lost the point

[true mist]

this huge unrelated rant no one cares about, all to defend an airsoft red dot

[silk rapids]

Wait he’s Swiss? lol all the more reason not to take him seriously

[golden marlin]

Lmao

[heavy salmon]

You can be the best shot in the world

[gray nimbus]

its not it just say I don‘t need that gucci, a iron sight and a cheap sight which does it job is great for me, I have enough money and we get discount for military equipment, even tho mostly 20%

[heavy salmon]

You will die to a drone

[gray nimbus]

but is it necessary, no

[golden marlin]

Point the problem is right now you are having serious buyers remorse for people just making a suggestion

[modest hatch]

I mean he isn't wrong that standardized firearms training across a population decreases gun violence but the war crime part is a fetch

[golden marlin]

You are clearly embedded in your own ways and now you are trying to take it out on everybody because people just wanted to offer their experience that you don't want

Like you posted a gun with a cheap Chinese optic

That can be bought on Amazon for pennies

And you got angry about it and got on a rant about shooting out the 200 m and tried to make certain things seem harder than what it really is

[gray nimbus]

Wait no I didn’t say you are wrong. It is not a good sight but for his job, I have a good hit pattern and I doesn’t know why I need 800 Dollars if my hit pattern is good?

[golden marlin]

Nobody's telling you to spend $800

We have made that point so many times that nobody is telling you to spend that money

We are just telling you to just look at a better option if you are trying to stay on a budget

[gray nimbus]

But someone was saying ITS A NEED, and UR GOOFY, thats not offer experience thats just saying of your a asshole

[golden marlin]

I have literally been telling you. If you're going to be buying something cheap you might as well buy something that is good that's cheap

That's why I've been telling you holosun

[modest hatch]

I'll do it

You need an $800 dollar optic to shoot better

[golden marlin]

Lmao

[gray nimbus]

Super, I still not buying an replacement

[golden marlin]

I have offered experience because I have had cheap optics fail me plenty of times

Especially in that same price bracket that you bought your optic at

I told you an optic that I had that has failed me so far

[gray nimbus]

fuck its cheap I need to buy an ACRO

[golden marlin]

I have another one I bought that has failed me because it doesn't zero even at 25

You are just kind of attacking everybody because you don't want to hear their experience

[modest hatch]

Seriously I have a few holosuns and they do me fine. I don't have the money for crazy stuff unless I save and budget for it.

[golden marlin]

Like was hooligan attacking you? Yeah I'll admit that because he did start off aggressive

But because of that you were so offset that you didn't want to listen to anybody else

[gray nimbus]

If you say so I buying it just to test it

[golden marlin]

Holosun literally is what I consider the bare minimum of a cheap optic that actually holds up

[atomic stream]

Maybe I’m misreading but Respectfully man there is absolutely a point where the quality of the aiming device has a hard limit of capabilitythis seems like strange hill to die on, love my holo ARO and it worked perfectly for what I need it for but there is a limit.

[golden marlin]

I literally own three of them and the only ones I don't recommend are their micro pistols

For those micro pistol optics

I don't recommend them because they shut off all the time

They're rifle. Optics are perfectly serviceable

They have literally been used in Ukraine so much because they're cheap and they actually hold up

Are they the greatest thing? No, they aren't. You're not going to be using it for night vision or anything like that, but as a basic optic it works

[modest hatch]

Nothing wrong with testing and that's good to do. I'm now learning that a green dot is better for my vision than what the general pop has told me because of my own experiments with dots.

[golden marlin]

You try looking at the new yellow optics?

That's supposed to help too

[modest hatch]

Fuck I didn't even know yellow was an option

[golden marlin]

Holosun recently started releasing them

They have been around for a while for just other companies

Leopold did it once

[blazing temple]

I love goooold

[golden marlin]

But holosun just recently decided to release one

[blazing temple]

I think I sneed the 507 iphone optic for my usp

[gray nimbus]

I mean seriously. I didn’t got training with optics. The only thing we got is RMR on Glocks and its even a privilege not something that u regularly use in swiss military. We don‘t have fancy stuff and I really was thinking its more then enough. I mean we train with iron sights in CQB. The only branches which use optics in military is MP Spez/Gren Spez which is KSK/Tier 1/2 SF

[golden marlin]

Most people here started on irons

I still prefer that people start on that and then move to red dots

[gray nimbus]

You don‘t get optics in swiss military except the iron sights. Even higher ranks

[modest hatch]

I still shoot irons because I live on a budget and honestly I like irons

[golden marlin]

I still shoot irons because like I either just don't want to spend the money to put an optic on that gun or it's old

[gray nimbus]

The only optic is for DMR (which is the same rifle just with a better zoom) and the M249 with EOTech

[golden marlin]

I still push people to get red dots because they do help a lot, especially for pistols

But also like with irons. If you have really poor fundamentals then yeah it's going to reflect

[gray nimbus]

Yes this is true.

[golden marlin]

Especially with pistols

[gray nimbus]

Yep

[golden marlin]

I focus a lot on pistols because it's to be honest, it's more practical for everyday life

Unless you have a actual reason for rifles but rifles are still fun to shoot

[gray nimbus]

thats why our police was picky to use rmr. They changed it recently because iron sights on pistol is good if you can but to react better, rmr is the way

[golden marlin]

Even then it is possible to miss use red dots

Which I would recommend practicing occluded optics from time to time

[gray nimbus]

yes but in this case u really need to be dumb

[golden marlin]

Now take a piece of tape and cover up the front of the Red dot

[gray nimbus]

yes

thats smth you need to learn - I trained it just because I thought its not hard

it is if you never thought why you need it

and it really makes a difference by drawing your pistol

[golden marlin]

Yeah like as much as everybody likes to base everything off of what the military does

I really don't believe everything should be based off of that

[gray nimbus]

no not really

good point

[golden marlin]

Just like with police, sometimes they really don't teach the proper fundamentals or at least good ones

Shooting always changes. There's always going to be new methods. There's always going to be new ways to do things better and everybody has their own opinions on that

[gray nimbus]

The most fundamental is just from privat experience or courses. To much trust on military training is just how you learn the basics but not the tricks

[golden marlin]

To be honest, competition is not a bad choice for learning

[gray nimbus]

yupppp