irl-weapons

[soft jay]

PIS hide deficit

[misty cove]

not bankrupt 15 times (yet)

[misty cove]

pis and KO is trash vs garbage

[soft jay]

Only 10 times

If not EU money

[misty cove]

why is everyone so keen on ''militarization'' now?

we got a bunch of loans for tanks etc and now we need more?

like russia is stuck in ukraine they wont imediatly atack nato right after lol

[round sentinel]

At least Ko is slightly more in line with everyone else in the west and not throwing absolutely everything down the drain

Still trashy

[misty cove]

i dont care KO is eu puppets

[round sentinel]

(They aren’t)

Plus you voted to join EU ffs lmao

[misty cove]

nuh uhh

[misty cove]

mercosur deal is so stupid

[round sentinel]

(It’s not)

[misty cove]

sure bro just dont mind the literal tons of meat that arent allowed into the eu that got into the eu

[round sentinel]

Ok and

[soft jay]

Ko is the same as PIS they are just pro EU

[round sentinel]

You have a farm industry that just can’t produce a reasonable product. Who cares that you are getting imports

[misty cove]

yes

[soft jay]

Both are robbing the country

[soft jay]

Just in case

[proven badger]

Muh globalism

[misty cove]

real

[soft jay]

Now we need to expand production

[misty cove]

also how do we not produce a reasonable product?

[misty cove]

its funny to me how people are brainwashed

[round sentinel]

Besides the fact prices are so high because of demand. That the EU market for meat is a massive joke

[misty cove]

i saw a coment on a video criticizng germany for not returning stolen shit and sweden

[round sentinel]

The only peoples being hurt from this deal are the farmers

[misty cove]

and a guy responded saying ''go to russia ''

like bro

[round sentinel]

The country and individual have no negatives

[misty cove]

idk what meat price is insanely high other then beef

but thats cuz we dont realy eat beef

[round sentinel]

That’s mainly what the deal is for, but it will lessen every price

[misty cove]

big chunk of the population btw

[round sentinel]

(It’s not)

[misty cove]

mayben ot big but fairly big

[round sentinel]

It’s not

[misty cove]

also wheat etc is already insanely cheap lol

[round sentinel]

Not compared to here

[misty cove]

bro wheat is like 600-700 złoty a ton

and now fuel is going up and fertilizer is already high bla bla bla

[round sentinel]

It’s a bit more but yeah

It’s about 66% the price of yalls wheat for us

Literally it’s a net positive for you as a consumer to have lower food prices

Better for you and the economy

[misty cove]

nuh uh my dads a farmer

🥀

[round sentinel]

Then market better towards local sale

[misty cove]

idk how you can localy sale like 20 tons of grain

sell

[round sentinel]

We can here…

[misty cove]

by localy sell

do you mean like

to individual people

or like places that buy up grain

[round sentinel]

Both

[carmine tide]

Farmers living in 1st world nations cant compete with prices 3rd world indentured servant farms offer

[round sentinel]

Well, that’s depends heavily

[misty cove]

also

[round sentinel]

For the US, we can

[misty cove]

mercosur countries literaly use cancer causing shit

[carmine tide]

If they charged what exporters charged they'd be out of business

[round sentinel]

(Literally no sources that show this)

[misty cove]

is that why so many farmers need goverment cash

[round sentinel]

Here? Not really

[carmine tide]

Yea independent US farmers rely on subsidies

[round sentinel]

The only time the gov steps in really is when natural disasters occurs

[carmine tide]

All my relatives sold theirs to corporate farms

Couldn't afford the upkeep

[proven badger]

Bill Gates will take care of those properties

[misty cove]

south america uses insane amounts of pesticides

ones that arent allowed in europe

[proven badger]

I can't wait for my government mandated bug protein

[misty cove]

also i dont wana be dependent for food from a country a continent away

[round sentinel]

Ones that also have next to no harmful effects even after all the research trying to prove they do

[misty cove]

so why arent they allowed?

[round sentinel]

Then you have to eliminate population and food demand. Because you can’t

[carmine tide]

When has fucking over local farmers ever been good in the long run

[proven badger]

"We investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing"

[carmine tide]

Mao, Stalin and pol pot all wiped out local farming

[round sentinel]

It’s not about fucking over farmers, it’s about a country that cannot self sustain itself

[round sentinel]

By opposing research opinions even

[round sentinel]

Namely lobbying and misunderstanding

[carmine tide]

looks deeper
👃
every time

[round sentinel]

PMAO no

[misty cove]

''import tons of pork from brazil to lower prices by 1 zł a kilo (it probably wont even fall)"

[proven badger]

lmao

[carmine tide]

looks deeper
🧃
every time

[round sentinel]

Inb4 massive price lowering

[round sentinel]

It’s funny how little they actually do

[misty cove]

pol pot was a crackhead
mao ? i dont think he did try that no clue tho

[echo cairn]

It gets worse

[carmine tide]

He forced production to the point of stripping all the land of nutrients, killed all the birds so insects ate what was left

[misty cove]

mao had stupid policies

i dont think he tried wiping out local farming tho

[carmine tide]

Why did he kill the birds? He liked how they tasted and they sounded annoying

[misty cove]

preety sure it was they were eating rice

[round sentinel]

They were

Stalin is the prime example of actually destroying food production tho

It was targeted specifically to cleanse non pure ‘Russian’ ethnicities

It wasn’t ineptness or corruptness, it was a targeted choice

[scenic jetty]

What the hell is going on In here

[round sentinel]

Average irl convo

[olive meadow]

@proven hearth how’s that PA nova holding up?

[proven hearth]

Its fine for being a cheaper lpvo.

[round sentinel]

Better than the plx? That you broke

Kek

Or was that jared

[olive meadow]

I’m still trying to talk myself out of a razor for a red dot bright Lpvo

[round sentinel]

Do it

[proven hearth]

I havent broke a plx.

[round sentinel]

I just bought another one

[round sentinel]

It must have been Jared than. Someone broke one of the Pa lpvo’s

Shit was funny af

[proven hearth]

I mean for a $300 optic its definitely a decent option. Hard to find things to complain about on such an inexpensive optic. I only have a 1-6 though

[carmine tide]

Leupold please bring back the mbss and ill sacrifice @proven hearth to you

[round sentinel]

Join me. I just bought one of the EBR-7F reticle razors the other day lmao

[proven hearth]

You'd run out of breathe trying to chase me

[round sentinel]

[carmine tide]

Chase?

[olive meadow]

The gen 2?

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[proven hearth]

Youre sure as fuck not hitting shit so yea

[carmine tide]

Also youre 5'4 my stride is longer than you are tall

[round sentinel]

The 1-6 is peak razor

Well, LPVO wise

[proven hearth]

When you can only sprint for 3 seconds without being gassed, I like my odds

[olive meadow]

It’s tempting I’m considering the gen 3 😅

[round sentinel]

Don’t

The 10x sucks by virtue of being a 10x

[carmine tide]

I can hit a man sized target out to 600m with my ar

[round sentinel]

He’s not man sized. So you won’t hit him

[carmine tide]

SHIT

[proven hearth]

I still need to buy a zeiss for my 1022 because why not speaking of scopes

[round sentinel]

That would be silly

[proven hearth]

It will. But it will be drippy

And ultimately thats the most important thing

[olive meadow]

I have a couple 1-10 and 1-8s I really don’t know why people complain about them so much lol

[round sentinel]

It’s just the eyebox gets super tight at 8-10

It’s usable yeah, and it’s not like you just sit at max magnification anyways

[proven hearth]

Personally i think if you want a 10x, there's no reason to not go with a 2-10 and have a dedicated true 1x dot. Don't have to deal with some of the big cons of a 1-10 that way but again that's me.

[round sentinel]

But at the end of the day it’s a LPVO, you are restricted about range of the rifle, so the difference between 6-10 is very marginal

Why make your low end magnification struggle more when you won’t use the upper end that much anyways

[round sentinel]

Real. 2-10 or 3-9’s are both great

[proven hearth]

I just feel like it's a more 'capable' optic set up if you will. Probably not the correct term for it but im tired and neurons arent firing on all 8 cylinders

[round sentinel]

Nah I get what ya mean

You really don’t sit on 1x or max very often

So the ‘downside’ of sitting on a 2 or 3x low end is not a downside

And it improves the entire range of magnification

I really like the short format Vudu 3-9 glass but the reticle is the only thing I don’t care for

I’d like the try the 4-12

[proven hearth]

I havent even tried the new vudu's. Heard good things about them though

Oh neko, I built a 6.5 grendel monstrosity

[round sentinel]

It’s not really necessary unless you have a bullpup or short rifle

[proven hearth]

It's horrible. I love it

[round sentinel]

Just cause the limited rail space

At least it has a quad

[proven hearth]

Ignore the fact im too lazy to buy the other parts

[autumn field]

Dang I can’t send gifs

[autumn field]

I hate being bi-polar. It’s awesome

[proven hearth]

Why am I being pinged with this

[autumn field]

Cuz I replied to you

Then you get a ping ig

[magic hare]

GPR build

might get a black snach charging handle instead and I still want an elcan specter for it

[lofty osprey]

You can get the Elcan Tri for 55% off right now

euro optic

[magic hare]

unfortunately I don't have the money for one yet, but I know a guy who knows a guy with a bunch of the legacy specters

[lofty osprey]

The Tri is sick, just doesn't look as good aesthetically

[magic hare]

yeahh

originally I wanted to put one of those sons of liberty nickel teflon bolts in it, but they've been out of stock for a long while it seems so I settled with one of their associate chrome ones

still SoLGW quality so it should be good when I get around to trying it out

[lofty osprey]

or get a G$ bcg

or bcm

solgw g2g though

I love their 18 spr barrel...my top 3 most accurate barrel

[scenic jetty]

Ah understandable

[olive meadow]

Grendel’s are fun. 😁

[olive meadow]

I like the 2-10/2-12 for sure, but I like having a true 1x or close to it as well.

Chances are if I’m on 10x I’m going to be taking a longer shot so eye box isn’t really an issue.

[lofty osprey]

6arc from blackout dynamics build finish date for me is 10/2026, going to have 6.5 grendel bolt issues...already have 2 bolts for backup.

[round sentinel]

I am with you there, it just fucks over your low end

[olive meadow]

If arc had been round 10 years ago I would have built that. At the time I was with everyone else believing that 223 ballistics were garbage and that Grendel was the answer in a small platform.

[olive meadow]

I think me really learning how to shoot rifle on a scoped rifle has made the eyebox issue less of an issue for me as I’m used to having to have that cheek weld.

[round sentinel]

Completely fair

[olive meadow]

The down side is I’m extremely slow because I over-confirm sight picture and want that perfect shot everytime.

@round sentinel https://youtu.be/bRB6KEkZHYc?si=rQfUfO7jJFMldUUE

for example.

[round sentinel]

😔

And for clarification I’m not saying it’s completely objectively bad, just noting downsides

[lofty cedar]

hell yeah

[modest hatch]

Charge your phone

[lofty cedar]

yeah yeah i was at the store

[olive meadow]

Just sold one of these unfired.. 😅

[modest hatch]

Lol

[lofty cedar]

Wanted a Virtus but Sig is so gay when it comes to their last-gen models

[olive meadow]

Definitely appreciated I try to look at all angles. The biggest thing for me is an I actually gaining anything

[round sentinel]

Personally, I don’t believe so

The difference to me between a 6 and a 10 power for a 1x optic, is next to nothing. You are shooting a 500-600 yard shot max, where 6x is still reasonable. While keeping an improved low end magnification relative to the 10’s

If you really need that 6-10 zone improvement, that’s where you just go to a MPVO and throw an offset or piggyback

[olive meadow]

Last match we shot out to 800 😅

Then ran a shoot house next stage lol

[round sentinel]

Kek based

[olive meadow]

This match really only has 2 rules. Run the same set up the whole match. And slings are required

[round sentinel]

🙏

So what you are telling me

Is I can run my break action 1911 with a single point sling

[olive meadow]

Probably

[round sentinel]

[scenic jetty]

I only have 2 optics that go over 12 power and there on a 308 gun and will be going on my 6.5 bolt gun

[round sentinel]

Tbf I only have two as well

A 20 and a 16 power iirc off hand

[scenic jetty]

My 20 inch 5.56 has a 10 power but that’s perfect for it

[tired aurora]

MR 308?

[royal stone]

M110A1 762

[lofty osprey]

223/556 is great for what it is. 6ARC is objectively better when wind calls are your misses.

[lunar marsh]

I liked the hard deployment kits our M110s were issued in when we first got them for combat testing in OIF back in ‘09. Do those A1s come with hard kits or just the soft?

[misty cove]

@round sentinel have u gone over 100k money spent on yo guns

[royal stone]

Soft only for 8 of them, 2 have hard cases but they old as shit

[round sentinel]

Total, yeah

[misty cove]

Bruh aint no eay

[round sentinel]

Dude I have 60-70 guns

Average cost is probably around 2k

Some are in 5 digit territory

😭

[proven hearth]

I'm not sure why thats a surprise

Guns are expensive once you do them all out. Multiple times over

Nevermind I realized why its a surprise I forgot thats the child

[misty cove]

Nah its more do how many guns do you need

[proven hearth]

The European mind will never comprehend the ideology of buying what you want regardless of need

[round sentinel]

Bro has no hobbies or income and it shows

[misty cove]

I dont think a hobby is the price of a small house

🥀

[round sentinel]

Ahahahaha

Not true

[proven hearth]

Thats what one says when they have no hobbies

[misty cove]

I guess IT depends

[round sentinel]

You’ve clearly never seen larpers or car people

[misty cove]

Some people buy migs as a hobby

[round sentinel]

God larp armor is as expensive as my gun stuff

Source: my fiancee is a larper and has multiple sets of armor she’s spent comparable money on

Well; not to my total armory, but per set

[misty cove]

Lol

[round sentinel]

She’s probably spent 40-50k on armor

[mossy surge]

All good hobbies are expensive as fuck what are you idiots even arguing about, doesn't matter if it's radio stuff, cars, guns, boats, computers etc it's all bloody expensive.

[proven hearth]

The insinuation it was an argument and not a simple discussion

Go back to whatever it was you were doing

[round sentinel]

Bingo

[mossy surge]

No need to get offended my dude it's not a personal attack just the way I type

[proven hearth]

Me? Offended over discord?

[mossy surge]

hahaha

[round sentinel]

Hey, be nice to Honda. He’s a super sensitive young lad

[proven hearth]

Im young now??

When the fuck did that happen

[round sentinel]

Young, short, what’s the difference

[proven hearth]

Alright, ALRIGHT

NOW IM OFFENDED

[round sentinel]

KEK

[proven hearth]

Take it back

[round sentinel]

Nuh uh

Won’t

[proven hearth]

[round sentinel]

Rip Honda 2026

[blazing temple]

[proven hearth]

[misty cove]

Larp larp larp

What larp even is it

Games or

[round sentinel]

Proper medieval larp

[misty cove]

Actual armor?

[round sentinel]

Yes

[misty cove]

W larps

Any brigandine sets?

[round sentinel]

Idk, that’s not my tism

[proven hearth]

There was no m249s in medieval times. Its all a psyop, medieval never existed

[round sentinel]

[misty cove]

Smh

Mediecal armor is best of tisms

[round sentinel]

Meh not really

[proven hearth]

I remember back when I thought swords were cool because I couldn't own guns at the time

[misty cove]

Yuh uh

[proven hearth]

Once hes older he'll understand. Or not, idc.

[golden marlin]

Aren't you in middle school

[proven hearth]

How high are you right now seb

[golden marlin]

The joke is your short enough to look like a kid in middle school

I felt like joining in

[proven hearth]

I hate it here

[round sentinel]

We love you too

No hetero

[misty cove]

Lol

[proven hearth]

Malkoff head came in. The black doesnt look out of place imo.

[modest hatch]

As someone that owns a sword and guns. They are still cool imo

but the sword to gun ratio is 1:9

[thorny flame]

@round sentinel

new sig catalog is out

🌶️

[rocky valley]

Time for some fire range footage

[proven hearth]

Get well soon

[modest hatch]

There is no getting well here, only worse.

I have to admit, it's a lot harder to find a well-made sword than a gun. They are just a novelty now. What I have isn't anything modern and is a collector's piece.

Still looks good tho

[carmine tide]

@round sentinel ive been rage baiting brass facts idiots all day about pdws and how a 10.5 6.5 cm ar10 is a pdw

[thorny flame]

i don't know why this topic makes those people in particular so ridiculous

[carmine tide]

Its bc nobody knows what a PDW is

[thorny flame]

i have a friend that got smoked on the old server for this exact debate

[carmine tide]

Ive been rage baiting for like 5 hours

Instead of doing my job

[thorny flame]

hit them with the best pdw

7.5" 5.56

just facts

is it rage bait if it's just unassailable fact?

[blazing temple]

I believe in pdw literalism

[round sentinel]

LMAO

Fuck it would

[thorny flame]

it's why talking about 9mm is regarded

if you can sling m855 at 3300 out of a 10" barrel

[round sentinel]

Don’t you shit on armstech

Bitch

[thorny flame]

this is unironically a post in support of the kittykat

[round sentinel]

Based

[thorny flame]

i am sincereposting at all times

[round sentinel]

Also the cqt on it

🙏

[thorny flame]

people just want to drop 5k on bad pccs

instead of just buying a mk18

very serious people

[round sentinel]

I really wanna clone the armstech gas trap 7.5. It’s so cool

[thorny flame]

this is a PDW

[blazing temple]

I use a 155mm howitzer as a pdw as god intended

[round sentinel]

I started the model for the gas block tho

[thorny flame]

i think what G$ is doing is spiritually the better thing

their gas block setup is much more mature and they've tested them

[round sentinel]

Yeah this system is super cool

[thorny flame]

kinda expensive but whatever

still cheaper than anything B&T sells

@blazing temple but this is what bothers me, why do they spend so much time talking about dogshit pccs

when all the stuff that works ™ gets ignored

[lone moss]

My pdw

[thorny flame]

or the jenkiest setups

it's the truck gun conversation

[scenic jetty]

Gosh dam

[carmine tide]

As a mp5 owner, you're poor

[thorny flame]

no they will do anything to avoid an MP5

[round sentinel]

Also a 7.5 with a bthp/ smk will still get pretty ok performance lmao

[thorny flame]

better than bad 9mm!

[round sentinel]

Enough for the ranges you’ll use a PDW at

Fr

Solution. Micropup

[thorny flame]

like have you seen 9mm external ballistics

you're throwing inaccurate rocks

on a good day

[carmine tide]

Why would I use a pdw beyond 100m

[round sentinel]

You don’t really

150 max

[carmine tide]

Even then thats pushing it

[thorny flame]

the humble .300blk

why compromise

[round sentinel]

I’m not super against pcc’s, I just think it’s not worth it in modern day with all the options we have now

[thorny flame]

if i am paying a dollar for bad 9mm

[carmine tide]

The 300 blackout is the definition of compromise

[thorny flame]

why would i not just pay for TSX

[blazing temple]

isn't 300blk a compromise

[round sentinel]

50AE pcc tho…

[thorny flame]

only if you're not shooting supers

[carmine tide]

Twin

[round sentinel]

Multi purpose compromise yeah

[blazing temple]

I think the solution I have come to is that I should buy a ump

[round sentinel]

Supers are very hefty for a PDW tho

[thorny flame]

the ump is a dog

you do not want one man

[round sentinel]

More energy than almost any 556 loading even from a short barrel

[thorny flame]

you will regret it

[wooden frigate]

That 300 blackout kicks, son.

[carmine tide]

300 blackout supers are just 7.62x39 but not made by gorillas

But whenever I say that I get doxxed by ak autists

[round sentinel]

The ideal PDW length gun ;)

[thorny flame]

have you shot any of the open bolt sub guns

lmao

[blazing temple]

this is not a suppressed mk23

[thorny flame]

yes but you can get them into barrels of comically short length

[round sentinel]

Kek

[wooden frigate]

I don’t know if I’ve ever shot anything open bolt

[thorny flame]

it's like the krinks everyone is obsessed with

5.45 out of that barrel is basically 5.7

it's absolute dogshit

[blazing temple]

I do not think I should have 4 day weekends I am so very tired

[carmine tide]

I blame Osama

[tired aurora]

ah soo the HK417 thanks!

[thorny flame]

also the best PDW bait i forgot

[carmine tide]

M1 carbine

[thorny flame]

this is a pdw

[round sentinel]

True

[carmine tide]

Im getting one of these

[wooden frigate]

I didn’t understand how much I like short barrels until I got one

[blazing temple]

you dont have the money for one of those

[carmine tide]

Im just skipping the mr556

[carmine tide]

I do

[thorny flame]

and then you can shoot big boy .308 loads!

[blazing temple]

I'm ngl lgs had one of the anniversary ones and it was really tasty but also they wanted 6.8k for it

or something obscene

[carmine tide]

They go for 10+ on gun broker

Sometimes g28 prices

G28 kits regularly go for 15k+

[blazing temple]

the flecktarn ones?

[carmine tide]

Oh

No

I thought you meant the actual collectors ones in 8008 or 8k

[thorny flame]

unless you are a literal rich guy, the G28 kits are never worth it

[blazing temple]

nah just the 75th anniversary flecktarn a1s

[carmine tide]

I mean the g28 is cool

[thorny flame]

it's cool but not $20,000 rifle you won't shoot cool

[carmine tide]

Probably the most accurate semi auto gas gun you can buy

[carmine tide]

Have you seen prs setups

[blazing temple]

I don't shoot rifles anymore

[thorny flame]

yeah but that's gaming, you can get a G$ that will shoot those groups

[carmine tide]

Kilt in da streetz

[thorny flame]

and those are made by americans in PA or whatever

[blazing temple]

no good spot for me to shoot rifles anymore

thats why Im buying a usp

[thorny flame]

https://geissele.com/geissele-mrgg-mk1-rifle16-308-black.html

[carmine tide]

Does it guarantee half moa groupings

[blazing temple]

just gonna have to expand the handgun collection

[carmine tide]

The g28 does

[thorny flame]

the G28 spec is 1 AFAIK

but i don't dispute they are very accurate guns

[carmine tide]

Thats the normal mr762s/417s

[thorny flame]

HK's words, not mine

[carmine tide]

Those articles lied to me

[thorny flame]

there is a story

KB of Q worked at HK in obendorf

[carmine tide]

I dont trust anything q says

[thorny flame]

they shot one of the early production G28s

claims a one hole group at 500

[wooden frigate]

I see a lot of oldheads on arfcom fw the LMT MarsH

[blazing temple]

no hot tub for you

[carmine tide]

I live in the SOUTH it is 90 FUCKING DEGREES why would I want a FUCKING HOT TUB

[thorny flame]

it's because all of the .308 guns outside of KAC were dogshit

up until pretty recently

LMT is just a known quantity

[carmine tide]

Lmt has also shit the bed on qc post covid

[blazing temple]

it is in the 80s here my grass might be dry enough that I can mow today

[carmine tide]

And yes i work for a company that has bad qc thats how I know what bad qc is

[blazing temple]

before it gets any worse

[thorny flame]

but there are all sorts of gas guns that will print sub minute stuff at $5000

[round sentinel]

‘Oh no my finish is orange hued’

[wooden frigate]

I like their ambi bolt catch / release on the mars series, not paying 300+ for it again though

[round sentinel]

I have a couple of them. They are great

[carmine tide]

we both know it was worse than that

[wooden frigate]

I’m going to try out the sig one now

[carmine tide]

ew

[round sentinel]

Not really

[wooden frigate]

See how I feel, then maybe the griffin/adm one

[carmine tide]

im going to put my balls on your arms rail

[thorny flame]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HY6UTKJVPRE

[round sentinel]

I have one. It’s ehh

[thorny flame]

G$ doing some of the best barrels in the game rn

[round sentinel]

The lever style is goofy

[lone moss]

I have g$ coupons if anyone needs

[wooden frigate]

I’m surprised you say that, it seems like a lot of people like it, I haven’t tried yet though

[thorny flame]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5km6luIoBQE

he's also been shooting the new MR762s

[round sentinel]

It’s better than a left side only sure. But it’s just kinda ehhhh

Better than button release style “ambi”…

[wooden frigate]

Was thinking that too, I like the able to catch with pointer finger a lot

[carmine tide]

doesnt say what the grouping is or ammo used

[thorny flame]

it does in the full vid

https://youtu.be/S5doohBTR08

[round sentinel]

The LMT and similar mirrored catches is peak. Least for ARs

[carmine tide]

im looking at the 16" a4 for hog hunting

[thorny flame]

1MOA out of bulk factory ammo for LR stuff

there are better hog loads

[thorny flame]

they are selling the short ones direct, no?

[carmine tide]

from other videos ive seen an average of 0.9-1.1 with m80

if you can get that with m80 its accurate as fuck

[thorny flame]

oh they are straight up selling pistols

[carmine tide]

yea i dont want the 13

[thorny flame]

handy length

with a can

[wooden frigate]

I’ll take your word for it

[thorny flame]

you can pretend you're a cag gooner on a taxpayer safari

[carmine tide]

its gonna have a 4-16 or a 4-25 on it

[thorny flame]

oh i can't post that image because

mods will smoke me

but

[carmine tide]

ive seen what .308 does to hog

[thorny flame]

you know the one

[carmine tide]

1.12 with m80

[thorny flame]

M80 is ass, too

[carmine tide]

yea out of a seekins sp10 its like 1.7

[thorny flame]

those guns are not designed to sling M80 tho

[carmine tide]

which is another accurate as fuck rifle

[thorny flame]

in fairness

the thing is no one is shooting m80

it's the low weight murder loads, or the heavy match stuff

remember the entire point of the m110a1 is M80A1

[scenic jetty]

those are not bad price wise

[olive meadow]

200 yards with a 9mm pistol.

Inaccurate would be a user error.

That being said… ballistics are garbage at that range.

[thorny flame]

Yeah I’m talking people shooting garbage at cyclic out of PDWs

[olive meadow]

Imagine being a gun person and a car person. 😔

[round sentinel]

yeah rip

[olive meadow]

And married. And kids. lol

[thorny flame]

I don’t need to explain how rainbow 🌈 the trajectories either

[round sentinel]

boooo

[tired aurora]

That reminds me of shooting my SD to 100m xD aim 1 head above the head (reduced torso steel) to hit the lower half of the torso

[olive meadow]

This is the hold at 200 lol

[tired aurora]

Should have found a woman that's into guns. That way the gun part is shared at least

[thorny flame]

Boy I sure love holding in space!

[lone moss]

[tired aurora]

Oh nvm

[blazing temple]

dear god a jeans dress she wasnt local to me was she

[olive meadow]

It’s only like 5 feet lol

[olive meadow]

Where are you?

I believe we call it a skirt though.

[blazing temple]

kansas, we have a group of, ahem, particular, religious people near me

[thorny flame]

or specifically

"2.5-3in is inside of factory expectations of precision at 25 yards for the APC9K Pro"

[olive meadow]

No we’re not Amish or Mennonite

Or Pentecostal.

[blazing temple]

neither are the people Im talking about

offshoot of an offshot of catholicism

[lone moss]

Ayo same

[blazing temple]

[olive meadow]

We are very much not catholic lol

[blazing temple]

yeah didnt think so lmao

[olive meadow]

We would fall into the Methodists category or somewhere in there. 🤷‍♂️

[tired aurora]

Man its a good thing I don't have just 4k lie'n around cuz my "local" gunshop owner recently got a hookup for some ex-mil/Leo MP5s

[thorny flame]

actually one of the cases where you can use the meme hold reticles

[tired aurora]

Huh?

Which one

[thorny flame]

any of them

trijicon sells the PCC one

or any of the sigs with the dots

[olive meadow]

@thorny flame 300 subs and supers at 200 just for comparison

[thorny flame]

the best demo is that old uh leupold reticle

which they do not sell anymore

but at least those bullets are sort of aerodynamic

[tired aurora]

Tini issue wouldn't be accurate for my MP5

Remember it's a factor SD soo pistol length Barrel + subsonic ammo

Soo ... 🌈 Is even worse than a pistol xD

[carmine tide]

If you've got a wetter mouth does food taste better

[scenic jetty]

holy shit lol

[thorny flame]

right but you can use the generic like sig dot for holds

[tired aurora]

Meh I just use a generic Sig red dot in it. Since realistically I never use it past 50m

It is a super fun gun tho

[thorny flame]

Just as an example, speer 147s

[rigid shore]

i need ak47 handguards and stocks

[thorny flame]

not the gold paint

do not

[rigid shore]

bought like this

[livid holly]

gun person, car person, gaming person and computer person

im always fucking broke

[karmic knoll]

are you a tacticool guy or nyet rifle is fine guy?

[rigid shore]

tacticool

[rigid shore]

tacticool

[olive meadow]

@round sentinel send me a razor 2 to try? 😆 I’ll send it back in similar conditions… just want to run it in a match.

[round sentinel]

Go ask Stan. He has my first one

I’m super hyped to try the new reticle model

[echo cairn]

"Yay another accuracy international enjo....lier"

[lofty osprey]

I’ve had great success with shooting subsonic 9mm, supersonic bullets tend to deflect a little bit when they become subsonic. Try out 147s

[thorny flame]

colt scopes dropped

INTERESTING

[tired aurora]

Honestly I just use the cheapest shit I can get which atm is magtech 124gr steel case 0.28€/round

The SDs ported barrel makes all 9mm subsonic anyway

[slim quest]

Wallet: hurt
Penis: erect

[true mist]

is it just paint or is it something worse

[echo cairn]

The cost of drip

[true mist]

and as tacticool goes, whats our budget? and what are we trying to put on the gun

[tired aurora]

Dyaaam that looks nice also where did you find a 4 position marked trigger housing

(at least I assume the giggle options are not installed)

[rocky matrix]

what am i looking at, looks 50% like an MP5 and 50% like a 416

[proven hearth]

How in the world does it look remotely close to a 416

[true mist]

sbr with a quad rail ig

[rocky matrix]

front

[true mist]

it just looks like an hk53 to me

[rocky matrix]

maybe not a 416 specifically but some 5.56 adjacent AR

[rocky matrix]

didnt even know abt that, that’s cool

looked it up

[true mist]

yeah i get that your first exposure to a quad rail was more than likely an AR derivative, but a ton of platforms can run them not just ARs

[true mist]

theres a lot of sick roller delayed guns in various calibers

[rocky matrix]

barrel size and muzzle reminded me of one too, i’m not super familiar with guns

[true mist]

i shot a buddy's HK51 (short barrel 308) and it was such a pleasant experience for how hard it hit

[rocky matrix]

neat

[true mist]

the 7.62x39 PTR is also a really cool roller delayed gun

[rocky matrix]

roller delay is for like shell ejection and whatnot right?

like as opposed to using the gasses

[true mist]

so your AR-15s, AK47s, HK416s, etc of the world cycle the firearm by redirecting gasses back through a gas tube and pushing on a piston (attached to the bolt, or in the case of the AR15, is the bolt) which cycles the firearm

roller delayed blowback is much simpler, blowback guns use the rearward force of the round going off to cycle the firearm, which is normally very harsh in rifle platforms

RDB guns add 'rollers' to the bolt to delay and smooth the recoil action, leading to a longer duration of recoil which is much smoother to the user

[rocky matrix]

i see, thats pretty cool

[true mist]

its a very functional solution to improve on very simple action, and as a result RDB guns tend to be extremely reliable

and are usually nice to shoot for the caliber

[round sentinel]

Ayo with the kac rail too. 🙏

[slim quest]

It’s indeed a 53

[true mist]

goated

[round thunder]

I thought PCCs were kinda pointless but with FRTs it seems like it would be the most manageable to control (and not spend $1000 every 10 min)

even things like the KRISS Vector seemed kinda dumb for any practical use in semi

[olive meadow]

That chassis is probably almost as old as you are lol

[olive meadow]

I wasn’t complaining. But yes. Slow ammo that passes through the sound barrier usually struggles greatly. That why a lot of us that do LR 22 stuff use subsonic ammo.

[echo cairn]

I'm not that old

[proven hearth]

PCC's arent pointless. Gets you out to the range to shoot for cheaper than what 556 (or insert really whatever other caliber you want to shoot costs here) costs. Plus, not all guns need to fall under a specific use case. You can own guns just for good ol fashioned fun.

[olive meadow]

That chassis is… 18 years old at this point. 😅

[proven hearth]

Fuckin boomer

[olive meadow]

Child..

That reminds me. I still have that scope lol

[proven hearth]

I forgot about that ngl

After i get my 1860 henry repro remind me

[echo cairn]

He's just mad kids have better guns than him

[echo cairn]

The original aics chassis came out in 1999.

[proven hearth]

You dont know what homie has do you

[echo cairn]

Oh I do

[proven hearth]

Then you'd know he has some pretty nice guns

[echo cairn]

They dont have to be trash to have better counterparts

Like a grand sport is a nice vett, but doesnt hold a candle to a zr1

[round sentinel]

The vector is still useless slop

I do think pcc’s are still competent, especially with FRT’s. 9mm ones are honestly actually the least appealing

40, 10, 45 etc tho, offer some real ballistic benefits

And you still get the super small format controllable guns

[misty cove]

kedr :DDD

[proven hearth]

Depends on whats done to it tbh

[round sentinel]

Get that dogshit outta here

[lone moss]

[echo cairn]

ofc, but youd have to do alot to work to said car

[round sentinel]

It’s l22 frt time

Heheheh

Soon

[lone moss]

[misty cove]

wdym shit smh

[lone moss]

You gonna send me the shit right

[round sentinel]

KEK

[echo cairn]

Oh yeah, still havent ordered the mp5 lol

[round sentinel]

I’m in contact with the guy and smith both who did the conversion

So

[proven hearth]

Mods

[lone moss]

Interesting

[echo cairn]

You hath no power here!

[round sentinel]

Very

[lone moss]

Is there actual work that needs to be done on the lower or is it just trigger parts?

[round sentinel]

The frt trip itself isn’t on the market yet but

I wil

[proven hearth]

@timid belfry time this man out for 5 minutes please

[round sentinel]

Yeahhhh. You gotta mill the lower a decent bit

[lone moss]

Hmmmmm

[round sentinel]

Safety drum conversion, relief cut for the safety lever and planing down the side of the lower to let the actual safety sit

The lower is too wide normally

[echo cairn]

I stg

[proven hearth]

I hope he does

[lone moss]

Is it just gonna be on all the time or select fire?

[round sentinel]

Well, once the AS trip comes out

3 pos

😌

This is just converting it for an AR safety

The trip bar config will give it the frt ability

[true mist]

i feel like the strongest argument for an actual 9mm PCC use case is for the dead broke new gun owner whos going to spend $250 on a hipoint carbine and be able to share ammo with a cheap carry pistol, while still keeping range trips affordable

outside of that it seems really niche

other than being fun, that one i totally get

[round sentinel]

It’s definitely very niche yeah. I will always advocate for a carbine over it

[proven hearth]

The good thing about America though is we dont need a niche use case to own a gun.

[echo cairn]

easier to carry in a backpack. Thats the reason im gana get an mp5

[true mist]

100%

[round sentinel]

Fr

[true mist]

yeah i get that, plus the mp5 is cool

[proven hearth]

Id never carry my mp5. If im having to use a gun, chances are it's my handgun.

[true mist]

i personally carry a decently competent full size so im happy with that for everything i do/could possibly ever do in the fantasy engagement of my choosing

[round sentinel]

Peak backpack gun. (Shorter than a MP5 collapsed)

Actually it’s shorter than a krink collapsed even

[lone moss]

Ah okay

[true mist]

hell yeah

[echo cairn]

While this is very true, having a stocked anything is better to have

[echo cairn]

too bad its a bullpup

[misty cove]

is it

[blazing temple]

*shitpup

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[misty cove]

a aksu with a wire stock would be awesome

[round sentinel]

It’s shorter by about an eighth of an inch

[misty cove]

= its the same

[round sentinel]

Skill issue

[olive meadow]

That’s not the original 😉

[echo cairn]

Ah so its even worse

[blazing temple]

[round sentinel]

[blazing temple]

[echo cairn]

Im sorry your taste in guns are skewed. Ill pray for your fast recovery

[blazing temple]

Lmao recovery?

[olive meadow]

Did you just say I don’t have nice guns? lol

[blazing temple]

I think such a thing would be the death of her

[echo cairn]

Keep scrolling

[round sentinel]

Shortpups are the least weird thing of my tastes

[olive meadow]

I mean there’s this monster.

[blazing temple]

Idk the .50ae isn't that weird

[proven hearth]

I also dont really buy into the fantasy scenarios people come up with when carrying a pcc or even like a trunk gun. Same reason why i stopped buying into the armor ideology, fantasy scenarios.

[echo cairn]

I didnt say they were bad, Just better stuff that we (I) own

[round sentinel]

Hand rifles, bergmanns, weird little niche 50-70’s guns

[olive meadow]

Truck gun scenarios seem to be coming a thing recently lol

[blazing temple]

Raaaah is it time to go to the gun store yet

[round sentinel]

Yes

[olive meadow]

But overall I agree.

[blazing temple]

Can you tell my supervisors that?

Maybe they'll let me take a work truck

[round sentinel]

I just did 🙏

Go get it bro

[blazing temple]

Why u got the phone # for the back office

[echo cairn]

Well picture this. You know I work at a bank. I cant carry my 2.0 year around since I have to wear dress clothes. I have my bg 2.0 in my pocket daily and thats more than useful. BUT I have a laptop bag bc well, IT, and imagine having an mp5 up under my desk for IF someone tries to rob the bank. I would ask would you rather have an 12 shot 380 or an mp5 but thats obvious

[proven hearth]

Absolutely regarded imo. Then they essentially promote they have a gun in the car with a Sig sticker

[round sentinel]

So real

[proven hearth]

If someone is trying to rob a bank they can fucking have it. Im not putting my life on the line for some fuck ass company who's going to claim insurance anyway

[blazing temple]

The bank is insured

[true mist]

i have a 'truck gun' but only because i legally cannot have a gun at work aside from parked in my vehicle

[echo cairn]

Then you do you lol

[olive meadow]

Idiots who put stickers on their vehicles are just that...

[round sentinel]

Tbf it’s not about the bank. It’s about his own safety

[blazing temple]

Yeah I'm gonna protect myself but presumably he isn't a teller

[scenic jetty]

Once I put the money I need into my truck I’d try out a bullpup rifle honestly

[round sentinel]

Do it

[proven hearth]

It's their shit, not mine. I dont care, that's what the insurance is for.

If your bank doesnt have bullet proof glass and multiple layers of security to enter the back rooms then idk.

[echo cairn]

I mean if all you care ab is yourself in that scenario then by all means, you do you. I do not

[blazing temple]

When was the last time someone robbed a bank by walking in with a gun out?

[scenic jetty]

All I’m saying is there is a reason hand guns exist, truck guns are kinda silly

[scenic jetty]

I will

[echo cairn]

Lemme get my date correct, it was recently

[round sentinel]

Any specifically you lookin at

[olive meadow]

In my case it would be for the school

[thorny flame]

originally, it was sort of a ranch rifle

[round sentinel]

^

[thorny flame]

but there are too many weird TEOTWAWKI doomers

[round sentinel]

Where I’m from, ranch rifles are still common

[thorny flame]

so it's a bunch of mouth breathers leaving hipoint carbines in their truck

[scenic jetty]

Aug or rdb 5.56 version just to try out probably rdb

[round sentinel]

aug

No

[blazing temple]

Get a gau instead

[round sentinel]

That’s like the absolute worst one to pick

[scenic jetty]

I see

[misty cove]

when will someone unbulpup a l85

[echo cairn]

April 19th 2025 at our Oakland branch

[scenic jetty]

Not an aug fan ?

[blazing temple]

Damn really? I thought bank robbers were smarter than that these days. In that case I get your reasoning

[echo cairn]

My guy

[round sentinel]

No, they suck ass

[echo cairn]

We have had weird shit happen lmfao

[round sentinel]

As far as basic duty bullpups, VHS and Tavor are the go to

[proven hearth]

Yes sure they originated from ranch rifles, but at least where i lived, that was a time period were you could leave your front door unlocked and open and not have to worry about some neighbor being a fuck head. If you still live in a town like that then i get it, if not nah kinda stupid.

[thorny flame]

these are usually at night

[proven hearth]

Chances are though, you dont live in a town like that

[round sentinel]

You can always put a little more money into the new Wlvrn gen mdr if you wanna support the cult. Those have been doing p good from what I hear

The RDB’s are terrible. Just kinda cheap

[thorny flame]

zero chance company policy allows for gat at work

(((insurance companies)))

[round sentinel]

M17’s are still made and just ok

[echo cairn]

Ohh budy one sec

[thorny flame]

i'd believe if it's like a local credit union

[scenic jetty]

Ah

[thorny flame]

but the giant companies would rather you be a life insurance payout

[round sentinel]

What you don’t want the most dogshit squishy trigger on the market?

Or a bolt anti rotation that doesn’t work sometimes cause it’s a cheap stamped piece

[thorny flame]

idk you can spend some money and clean them up now

based

[scenic jetty]

I’m not buying an mdr lol vhs is another one

[thorny flame]

they're calling it the most based bank policy ever

[scenic jetty]

lol that Dosent sound fun

[thorny flame]

the VHS is actually dogshit

[echo cairn]

Sadly my boss (whos a 60 year old lady with a s&w 27 357 btw) and I are the only one that carries at this branch

[round sentinel]

The vhs runs, shit controls but they work well

[thorny flame]

hear me out @echo cairn

we bring a lunchbox to work

[echo cairn]

I dont really like zev

[round sentinel]

It’s not lmao

Could join cope L85 gang

Controls are def lacking but it works great

[thorny flame]

i mean zero chance you're taking a vhs over the aug

that's crazy talk

[round sentinel]

You absolutely would

It’s a drastically better rifle

The Aug is a massive pile of shit

It doesn’t do a single thing better

[echo cairn]

Jesus you cant even suppress them

[round sentinel]

Real

At least the vhs has the 2 position

[scenic jetty]

I’ve heard they are fine

[round sentinel]

They are

[thorny flame]

fine is not a word i would use

[round sentinel]

The controls are the biggest thing

But they are still leagues better than the Aug controls

[scenic jetty]

But I might just do an rdb just to try out the bullpup platform

[round sentinel]

It’s not a bad way to try it

I just wish they’d make a higher end version of the rifle. Cause the design itself really isn’t bad

The cheap polymer and post processing is a huge turn off tho

[scenic jetty]

Yea that would be nice

[round sentinel]

Real

[thorny flame]

interesting given the trend in this country

the next wave will be CIT shit

https://www.taurususa.com/product/pdw/rpc/taurus-rpc/

unrelated but

they genuinely put out a roller gun

fascinating that someone finally gave it a shot

[echo cairn]

Kuna?

[thorny flame]

taurus RPC

[echo cairn]

No im saying the kuna did it

[thorny flame]

kuna uses a different setup

instead of the mp5 style locking situation this does

[echo cairn]

In that case yes. Still wouldnt touch it knowing taurus

[thorny flame]

anything to get us away from direct blowback tbh

[echo cairn]

True, but an atom bomb vs a pipe bomb is still a bomb

[thorny flame]

can't wait to see more of

these style posts

with the FRTs

[rigid shore]

Just paint

[rigid shore]

Unlimited

[round sentinel]

The more dead kektors the better

[olive meadow]

@echo cairn you leave my psa15s and daggers alone.

[echo cairn]

I'll carry a rock and stick before I buy a psa

[blazing temple]

You should carry a mp5k briefcase

[echo cairn]

If it wouldn't be abnormal for me I would

[livid holly]

yeesh

[golden marlin]

Return it

[rigid shore]

200 bucks can’t beat that

[golden marlin]

200 bucks for a AK shaped bomb

They gave it to you for that price because the guns pretty much a decorative piece

[rigid shore]

Its an ak… it will work no matter what

[golden marlin]

Thats not remotely true

From what I can tell your AK is a century built AK yes?

Because I recognize that gas block and that gas block really only appears on century aks

[rigid shore]

Yessir

[golden marlin]

So it's a bomb

Cause century tends to caste their pressure bearing parts

Which does nothing but resulting people blowing themselves up

You would be better off selling it because you could probably get your money back if not a little more

And get something better

[rigid shore]

Awesome

[golden marlin]

Because people spend too much on those pos guns

[rigid shore]

Just a cool addition to the collection

If I go to the range definitely not the first pick

[true mist]

whoops yeah i didnt even realize, looks like a VSKA?

[tired aurora]

I mean... Kektor comes in 45.
I'd still take MP5 tho cuz it has class. (Yes I'm aware the square toob smgs are smaller and just as good but they look worse)

[round sentinel]

kektor

[tired aurora]

Hey it has it's niech as a burst fire weapon that requires no additional training. That's it tho

Like PCC don't really have recoil anyway

[blazing temple]

Does it though

[thorny flame]

for whom

who is the vector for

[tired aurora]

Ppl who can't shoot well to begin with ... Soo mainly Leo/security agencies I guess

[thorny flame]

so you're going to give them an uncontrollable machine gun in .45?

[tired aurora]

Not uncontrollable. Just without the extended fun switch 2 round burst only.

And semi ofc

[round sentinel]

No it doesn’t

[thorny flame]

this sales pitch would be interesting if it were like 2003

but it didn't work for kriss either

[tired aurora]

I mean ye cuz let's be fair

Carbines are the way of the present

[round sentinel]

The ‘low recoil smg’ choice goes to MP5’s or B&T

Simple as

[blazing temple]

If it wasnt a shitty system and actually did what it claimed it could be useful in the funny ass r6 siege config

[tired aurora]

Can confirm mp5 has fuck all recoil

[thorny flame]

yeah if you for some reason need to equip people there are all sorts of other carbines

that are like 1/3 the cost

even a scorpion you know?

[tired aurora]

Like A for effort and a passing grade barely for execution. That's just Kriss vector in short.

[tired aurora]

When I said carbine I mean 556/545/762(x39)

[thorny flame]

i mean i am implying you want to equip people with 9mm for whatever reason

like europe

an MPX/MP7 type shit

for your police

[tired aurora]

TBF even Europe is glacially slowly moving away from that

[thorny flame]

the real real short mpx

[tired aurora]

A lot of police in Europe use a mix of mp5/416

[thorny flame]

MCX

[tired aurora]

Or even 7.62x39/300blk

Like if someone offered me a Kriss to shoot/own I'd take it cuz it looks funny

But if there is one smg/pdw I want to buy and don't already own it's mp7

[thorny flame]

obv euro is going to rifles because they expect dudes with AKs

[tired aurora]

Oh cmon those were isolated incidents sarcasm

The Christmas markets are totally safe

[karmic knoll]

Soon, brother

[thorny flame]

the problem is once you can just buy them

people will realize how bad they are

and they won't be cool

[tired aurora]

I know I know but let's be fair it's gonna be like 4k

[thorny flame]

if you can't make the $20,000 post sample your entire personality

why even bother

[karmic knoll]

I think the MSRP they listed was like 2.5k

[tired aurora]

I can actually see them being quite meta for PCC competitions.

[thorny flame]

what is power factor

[karmic knoll]

Last comp i was at, the guy running it didn't know what a P90 or 5.7x28 was and made the star gate larper prove it wasn't going to crater his targets

[tired aurora]

I mean it's still better than a pistol. I think the ppl that are disappointed by MP7 are the ones that think it's a rifle replacement not an upgraded pistol

[thorny flame]

i can agree with that

[karmic knoll]

Damn. Dyno won't let me post marge simpson saying she just thinks they're neat

[tired aurora]

Like if you go check the MP7 doctrine it's basically guys that need something to protect themselves but shooting isn't their main job in a fight

[blazing temple]

Which is why Hk should make a mp7 in a normal caliber

[thorny flame]

g36: am i a joke to you

[blazing temple]

Yes!

[tired aurora]

I see the MP7 as a controllable 0-150m pistol that can maybe penetrate soft body armour.

[tired aurora]

This is what MP7 is to me

Just an obese flat shooting pistol

With integrated stock and big mag (for a pistol)

[golden marlin]

vska or ras47

its definently a old model

my guess ras based on the wood

[true mist]

yeah rip, ig if he really wants a golden AK wall prop thats OK, i wouldn't pay $200 for that, but to each their own

but actually shooting that thing is not the move

[golden marlin]

but so you know those gas blocks and front sights lacking a cleaning rod is a a feature of the ras and vska series

they are caste

but the nail in the coffin is the polish style large mag release

[true mist]

i wonder which would happen first, the gun exploding, or the gun successfully running $200 in 7.62x39

[golden marlin]

they probably sold it at that price to get it off their shelves

[true mist]

with current prices it *might* have a chance

[misty cove]

?

[true mist]

shit probably sat for AGES

[golden marlin]

talking about dogshit aks

scroll up to the gold cerakoted one

[misty cove]

whats wrong with polish style release tho?

[golden marlin]

nothing

if you read what i was saying

i was pointing out a identifying feature

[misty cove]

ohhh

[golden marlin]

so he knows how to identify a century vska or ras47

century arms with their inhouse made crap like to use the large polish style mag release

its probably the only good feature on the guns

[thorny flame]

right but just understand the theory of why and in practice are two different things

you can spin up any number of small arms programs for whatever reason

[golden marlin]

though for many years they had their own dovetail mount which sucked

which just looks like a rectangle

[thorny flame]

the legacy of the gun is it found some use for like K9 handlers

and LAPD

[slim matrix]

the VHS is a very nice looking rifle though

[golden marlin]

probably no one wants those

[thorny flame]

it looks cool, nice is not a word i would use

[golden marlin]

you have to sell it to a idiot to get rid of it

[slim matrix]

thats it yeah

[golden marlin]

or well destroy it

[slim matrix]

id love to see more bullpups in tarkov

[golden marlin]

cause that what it deserves a long with anything else century built

[thorny flame]

these countries just have no idea what they're doing when it comes to small arms

it's mostly just slop dressed up to sell to americans

see the tavor

look at the original VHS compared to what they sell now

[timid belfry]

@carmine tide tell PSA to list some more sp5s for 2999.99

Thanks in advance

[tired aurora]

German army issues mp7s to tank/Vic crewman too .... Well at least the 1000 or soo crewman they have xD jokes aside it's a neat little gun and if I get a chance to get one I will

[misty cove]

sr2m=mp7 but good trust

[round sentinel]

This dude plays way too many games

[misty cove]

maybe

[carmine tide]

SHIT

[timid belfry]

Lmaoooo

[timid belfry]

I learned today that since I work in a gun store, I can get silencer co cans 50 percent off

Huxwrx and griffin too