irl-weapons

[livid holly]

Once I get home I’ve got to install a rear sight leaf on my AK that is a pic rail leaf to mount an optic because mounting them on the handguard looks stupid and I can’t afford a dog leg rail atm

And I’m going to have a lower shipped to my LGS to finish a .300 blackout build

[hushed salmon]

Ya makes sense

[livid holly]

Not to mention a bunch of shit with my computers and swapping parts around from case to case

So I can sell off what I don’t need anymore

[summer plover]

Ordered these in for my P01 today, apparently a 3 month lead time but fuck it I want the drip

[severe juniper]

I want the Zastava PKM.

I heard there was a P90 super safety.

That sounds awesome.

[misty cove]

the m80? why

[severe juniper]

Why not?

It's a PKM.

There doesn't need to be a good reason.

I just want it.

[astral quest]

No

Just get a regular 7.62x54mmR Pkm

[carmine tide]

Semi auto open bolt belt feds are kinda trash

They were designed to be full auto

[tired aurora]

is that a pso scope with a pic qd system?! wtf

[white estuary]

Correct

[misty cove]

our brains are thinking

[soft jay]

Yankee VSS

I would opt for wooden stock

[fringe prawn]

you only live once. find some remote land to shoot on, don’t speed, and be the change you want to see in the world 👀

[carmine tide]

What the fuck are you talking about

[fringe prawn]

PK parts kits are out there 👀 or frts

There’s some guy making a super safety for semi 240s and 249s rn as well

belt feds are back

lima six uppers as well

[white estuary]

I've been known to do silly things with pews lol - I am half working on a wood stock but with my ammo cost being about 4$ a round ive not done as much with it.

[scenic jetty]

@round sentinel found the compact version of the usp

[topaz hornet]

Sigtastic

[copper sandal]

The only good sig I can think of

[lone moss]

Literally all of the p2x series pistols

[silk rapids]

Short version tho

[ocean pike]

Uh oh we’re siggin

[livid holly]

@round sentinel I have something you need to see

Behold

The .50 BMG 1911

[round sentinel]

Bro that’s like a 14 year old image lmao

I literally have the original cad files back when they were public in ~2014

😭

[scenic jetty]

you see my message lol

[round sentinel]

Oh yeah, I meant to reply but forgot 😭

Get it

[misty cove]

hey i saw this post like today

[scenic jetty]

also fit my hands really nice

[round sentinel]

Peak!

[echo cairn]

300 blk?

[topaz hornet]

11.5 556

[echo cairn]

Damn it

[echo cairn]

I wana know how the polo 30 does on 300

[topaz hornet]

I have the collection

No clue on the polo but the OG sig SRD762QD TI is great

[wheat oasis]

Ohh we’re sigging

[topaz hornet]

Out here siggin

[wheat oasis]

Yeah man

[echo cairn]

One of the first polo 30

[placid basin]

That bolt is smooth holy fuck

[echo cairn]

Just an AI for ya

[livid holly]

Well ExCuSe Me I only just saw this

You also have you remember 14 years ago I was 9

In other words

You’re old

[round sentinel]

Bro it’s been reposted so much over the past 6 months 😭

[round sentinel]

I’m putting you in the deep fryer

[livid holly]

I’ve also been on deployment and am still actively deployed although otw home

[round sentinel]

Kek fair yeah

[livid holly]

[round sentinel]

I melt in like 70 degrees. What will anything more do

[topaz hornet]

Neko in an oven

[livid holly]

Freedom units or baguettes per cup of tea

[round sentinel]

The correct units of freedom. Obv

[livid holly]

Big difference there, but 70 is pushing it in freedom units for me

55 is like perfect

65 if there’s wind

[round sentinel]

45-60 is ideal range yeah

[scenic jetty]

How are the polo 30s

[livid holly]

The messdeck earlier

[echo cairn]

I think it's a great overall can

[livid holly]

Someone legit left a white monster unattended and it got thrown out

Literal warcrime

[echo cairn]

I haven't used it on a 300 blk but on my 308, 6.5, and 556 it's pretty good for the money

[round sentinel]

Bro shouldn’t have picked such a garbage drink to start lmao

[livid holly]

Diss white monster again

[round sentinel]

Trash

Zoomer slop

[scenic jetty]

iwas looking at getting that or another simple man or even the 300 omega for my 6.5 bolt gun

[livid holly]

Hands down the best monster flavor there is

[round sentinel]

Congrats on being gay

[ocean pike]

Holy moly what a bad take

[scenic jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgHG4vQoKgI

[scenic jetty]

alright come here your getting the hammer

[round sentinel]

👆

[scenic jetty]

oh also fyi to anyone intrested atlantic has 870 police trade ins

[tired aurora]

okay Neko what's your fav monster flavour then

[round sentinel]

None

I dont touch energy drinks

[echo cairn]

I prefer pipeline punch

[proven hearth]

All energy drinks taste like shit. You wont change my mind.

[lone moss]

Ngl it’s kinda ass

Redbull is superior

[thorny flame]

how many pairs of gamer socks do you own

[fathom dragon]

Boss coffee black

[fringe prawn]

Celsius is better than all

[fathom dragon]

Jfc

[tropic zodiac]

No

[livid holly]

Mid asf

[lone moss]

No

[fringe prawn]

🙁

[lone moss]

Redbull is superior and I enjoy my money going to the stupid shit they sponsor

[fringe prawn]

I do also like red bull but I don't like how small the cans are for the price

[lone moss]

I mean you can get the big cans

[fringe prawn]

true they're just more expensive. I like the bang for my buck I get with celcius and it doesn't taste like battery acid like monster, rockstar, or bang imo

200 mg of caffeine in one can too

[inland solstice]

Needs to be bigger

[wheat oasis]

i used to ccw a #40

👌🏻

[placid basin]

I like redbull cause the flavors taste nice and I’m trying to fund the F1 team

[inland solstice]

[livid holly]

Red Bull is shit and I only like them because they still do crazy stunts and are actively restoring vintage warbirds for stunts

Idk if my last message sent before the WiFi took a shit but Red Bull tastes like crap but I do enjoy seeing them restore vintage warbirds and other shit for their stunts

[livid holly]

There we go

[echo cairn]

I prefer ghost

[obsidian dune]

okay the worst flavor but okay

[blazing temple]

federal misinformer apparently

[wind coyote]

Hey guys it’s me altarion

I’m here to provide my objectively correct opinion on caffeinated beverages.

[wind coyote]

Replace these with the lando Norris monster👍

[blazing temple]

zero sugar, automatically ass

[lone moss]

i mean celcius is better than monster or bang for sure but redbull top tier

[blazing temple]

I cannot believe some mod I've never seen before shows up here just to be objectively wrong

[lone moss]

redbull is and always will be peak

[blazing temple]

I mean I expect @vast isle to be wrong so you mustve been his trainee

[obsidian dune]

i had sugar monsters the other day and it felt like drinking a smoothy or something they were WAY too sweet and i’m an avid coke enjoyer so idk i think energy drinks are best without sugar

[vast isle]

wat

[blazing temple]

thats funny because thats why I dont drink the zero sugar ones

I find artificial sweeteners to be far too sweet in addition to leaving an aftertaste

[livid holly]

See I don’t have that problem

Expect with regular coke

[vast isle]

Oh god I forgot this channel and it's weird drink addictions

Root beer best soda

goobye

[livid holly]

It feels like it leaves this film all over my teeth

[livid holly]

Based

Close second is cream soda 🙏🏻

[blazing temple]

I will say I only drink juice monster so idk if thats different in terms of sugar content or smth

[blazing temple]

which root beer kwon

[livid holly]

Bad Apple is good but not my favorite

[livid holly]

I feel like most of the name brand ones are pretty good in their own right

I can’t really describe one being better than the other imo

[vast isle]

They're all about the same, but probably A&W or Mug

[livid holly]

Mug, IBC, and A&W are all pretty even in my book

[vast isle]

ooo Forgot about IBC

[livid holly]

For me it just depends on what’s available

At a restaurant or whatnot

IBC makes some really good cream soda though, especially the blackberry cream soda

[livid holly]

🫵🏻👍🏻👌🏻

[wind coyote]

You misspelled something here

Also yea the full sugar monsters are way too sweet.

[wind coyote]

Disagree but that’s because I love cream soda. Root beer is #2

[obsidian dune]

thank you

[round sentinel]

I dont wanna hear it from you

[obsidian dune]

coke
mr pibb
orange juice
A&W

[vast isle]

The worst offender

[wind coyote]

This is your ranking?

[obsidian dune]

idk that’s like… idk yeah i like those

i’ll add a fifth uhhhh, tea

[wind coyote]

mute federaloffender67 52y incorrect opinions

Oh I forgot the !

[obsidian dune]

!!

!bawn

[scenic jetty]

they had a .23 at the pawn shop

[lunar marsh]

Quite the gassy bastard

[wheat oasis]

Sick

[proven badger]

How loud is she

[wheat oasis]

I’m gonna have to add a #17 gill to the collection as well

[lunar marsh]

Probably the quietest 5.56 can I have but in reality they are all pretty damn similar imo

[proven badger]

It looks really nice. I like the camo on it

[lunar marsh]

I’m happy with the way it turned out. Now just trying to wear it down lol

[scenic jetty]

yes but it looks like it shoots really nice

[carmine tide]

literally the same thing

[obsidian dune]

did you say cream soda and root beer are the same thing ?

they are fundamentally different

[blazing temple]

Nah this is one of the rare times confix is right

[supple wolf]

@deft crane this is my new gun

[deft crane]

oh neat

[blazing temple]

@wind coyote since you came in here earlier and are online

[wind coyote]

!ban 1348656589057556553 hijacked account

[river onyx]

✅ Banned .manfromthanhhoa (Case #204436) (user notified with a direct message)

[blazing temple]

Good mod

[wind coyote]

Gotchu. Im going to bed tho so if it happens again, I might not be here

[blazing temple]

Yuh yuh

[autumn field]

I’ve never seen a tan mp5 before

[fathom dragon]

Wooden Ruger American?

[misty cove]

''ahoy gentlemen!" pillows

[fathom dragon]

@wind coyote

[astral thorn]

@shadow raptor @vapid halo

[vapid halo]

oh

[astral thorn]

excellent

[fathom dragon]

Thank you!

[wheat oasis]

really

[autumn field]

Yea

[wheat oasis]

well they are out there

[carmine tide]

@blazing temple why would snowrunner get a mercedes dlc, and not have a unimog

[blazing temple]

Apparently the zetros is a nerfed version of rng3rs too

[glossy wadi]

beatiful

[placid basin]

die

@floral veldt

[floral veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753138181293211708/1298861962943533097/gurayeet.gif

[tepid cedar]

Might be worth a try just to load one or two and do a banana ballistics style test vs some steel. Will be an expensive round though considering those projectiles go for more than $30 per. Performance probably won't be too impressive because subsonic, but would be neat to try

[frail hull]

Is ther anyone here who is somewhat knowledgable on 19th century weapobnry, more specifically the charleville muskets?

I'm trying to figure out if americans changed the stocks on theirs into a more british style stock when they got theirs

[timid belfry]

So many bots

[misty cove]

when is he unbupuping the fameas

[soft jay]

Unbullpup EM2

[mint helm]

We have As val at home

[misty cove]

fal

[misty cove]

is that a scorpion or am i stripping

triping not striping

[unique fjord]

No it’s a vz61

[supple wolf]

nope browning 7mm-08

[soft jay]

The og scorpion yeah

[unique fjord]

Joke

You

[fathom dragon]

Interesting. Thanks

[supple wolf]

i just know im gonna be shi with the scope ive been using the same 30-30 for my whole life

[fathom dragon]

Is it a crossfire 2?

[supple wolf]

vortex crossfire 2

[supple wolf]

only spent 800 to buy it from ebels in Falmouth

while i was buying bacon pork steaks and burger and sausage

[fathom dragon]

Based

[misty cove]

Why is the supresor so big bro

[heavy salmon]

nice

[vast isle]

New longboi

[proven hearth]

Split top rail ewwwww

[vast isle]

it eee what it eeee

got it for 1350 so it werrks

[proven hearth]

Cmmg?

[vast isle]

ye

[proven hearth]

Not a bad deal at all

[vast isle]

What's a good site to buy optics out of? Kind of want to get a 1-6 for it but all my money went into the gun

💸

[proven hearth]

Euro optic, Optics planet, PA, just to name a few.

I personally fuck with euro optic heavy

[vast isle]

oh dayum these prices

I dig it

[proven hearth]

On euro?

[vast isle]

yeah

[proven hearth]

Ye theyre legit as fuck

[vast isle]

Happen to know off the top of your head if any do first responder discounts

[proven hearth]

I believe they do

[vast isle]

betbetbet

[proven hearth]

https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-program?srsltid=AfmBOopkrxIO51qNClPvUxHXrxWUuLBL-FLnku5JpOW4-FX7yBoROmio

[vast isle]

OO: siiick

[proven hearth]

Should save you a decent chunk

[faint bay]

hello

what's up guys, long time no speak

[vast isle]

Been a hot minute wadup

[faint bay]

yess

nothing special really, got to shoot some full autos a couple of weeks ago

mp5 sd, suomi etc

good old stuff

[proven hearth]

I bought myself an mp5 speaking of

[faint bay]

oh really

[proven hearth]

Ye. K model.

[faint bay]

Kurz?

[proven hearth]

Yur

[faint bay]

can you hit anything with such thing

[proven hearth]

Yes lol

It's a 5.5in barrel

[faint bay]

isn't it like a pistol barrel haha

oh yea

the only kurz I've seen live and shot full auto was HK briefcase

pretty badass thing lol

not particularly accurate though

but who cares

[proven hearth]

Im gonna frt mine here soon

[faint bay]

you have to post some vid about it then

[proven hearth]

From everything ive seen it'll be about 900rpm

[faint bay]

more than enough

[zenith sail]

Why dont we have these in Tarkov yet?

[thorny flame]

Hk sells a cool hand guard for them now

[proven hearth]

Nah, if i swap handguards im going with a trirail

[mossy surge]

We have F2000 at home

Anyone know what this pistol could be? looks 3d printed but I've seen quite a share of "ghost guns" but never this model. Some kid found it in a field.

[hushed salmon]

Getting cluster bombed how bout you

[mossy surge]

Israel didn't sign the treaty either did they? you can send them back

[hushed salmon]

That's...... A great point lol

[hot locust]

Sir our sufa is out of gas

We need more fucking avgas

[round sentinel]

You still need the 10in barrel for the DE

Meryl larp

[modest hatch]

Well I now have my first AR. Second hand, bought from a friend.

[faint bay]

Ahh

[tropic zodiac]

Why does it have a bolt

[vast isle]

oh gard you're still out there

[hushed salmon]

I live here lol

[vast isle]

oh

[lunar marsh]

Bring the rifle up to your sight line not your sight line down to the rifle

[proven hearth]

@vast isle @timid belfry

[spare meteor]

Be gone with your scams!

[proven hearth]

So many actual buffoons recently

[vast isle]

Do they have to click on the image

[timid belfry]

Wild

[vast isle]

I don't actually know how it works

Slabsy did you see I got a cmmg

[proven hearth]

Theyve likely clicked a link to a server which in all actuality just steals your account info and uses it to spam post

[vast isle]

lol so probably not even related to the images

smh

Wonder if it's booba servers

[timid belfry]

Nooooo

[timid belfry]

Nah, I’m in all those, they’re chill

[vast isle]

LOL

[proven hearth]

https://youtu.be/iHvtmHYN5CY?t=1070
Have any of you seen a motor pop like this? Split the fucking block in half

[timid belfry]

Ayyo

Hell yeah

What optic you gonna go with

[vast isle]

Surprised he kept it straight, I saw a viper explode the engine on the dyno

[vast isle]

I DON'T KNOW

I want a 1-6 or something of that type btut they're all so expensive, I was asking Honda the other day if he knows sites ll

[proven hearth]

He almost put it into the wall but corrected it. Thankfully the nova is still intact just the motor thats obliterated

[blazing temple]

razor gen2e or you are a coward

[vast isle]

Bruh they're so expensive

I actually considered that one

lol

[blazing temple]

you can get em for $1k

worth every penny

[proven hearth]

You can get them for cheaper than that if you are patient

[timid belfry]

Or if you want cheaper, the vortex viper pst or the primary arms Nova

[blazing temple]

or at least you could

[timid belfry]

Both solid for the price

[proven hearth]

I saw a sale for razors a few months back for 799.99

[thorny flame]

gen 2 strike eagles were like $250 at PSA

with the mount

https://palmettostatearmory.com/vortex-strike-eagle-1-8x24-gen-2-riflescope-w-ar-bdc3-reticle-vortex-sport-cantilever30mm-ring-mount-2-offset.html

[proven hearth]

I like the Nova, just not a big fan of lpvo's really anymore. If im going to put a scope on a rifle id rather an mpvo with an inline dot

Feel like its more versatile

[vast isle]

I'm just addicted to the option of a 1x lol

[proven hearth]

That's what the dot is for

And it's a true 1x then

Though it is more expensive to go that route

[vast isle]

Idk maybe i'm weird, I don't like having a extra dot

I have a vortex dot that i'm not using so I guess that is an option

[proven hearth]

Speaking of extra dots laying about i need to find something to do with my eps carry

Might just sell it for a normal eps

i dont have any slim lined handguns nor do i see myself buying one. glock 19 good nuff type shit

[vast isle]

If my glock had a slide cut I would consider buying it

[vast isle]

oh damn it'a actually that low wHUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[proven hearth]

Wager machining brother. Approx 3 day turn around

Good work, and its also pretty cheap.

Home - Wager Machine Works https://share.google/dtYqsZfDmuWMjbVGW

[thorny flame]

entirely adequate for casual shooting

if you were doing a lot of dynamic shooting just buy the razor

[proven hearth]

I know alot of dudes who have used them for optics cut, including myself. Highly recommend

[vast isle]

Oh they'll cut front serrations too

[proven hearth]

Yessir

They do damn good work for the low

[thorny flame]

i think actually

they are still running the .mil version of the razor for a decent price

and it has the cool reticle

[proven hearth]

Most lpvo ret's are fucking aids man

[thorny flame]

most of them are fine

[proven hearth]

We do not need a tree on a damn 6x

[vast isle]

lmao

[proven hearth]

Its just clutter

That's all it is

[thorny flame]

not every use case is your use case

that's why the 1-10 is a thing

(not the 1-10)

[vast isle]

Which sight is that?

[proven hearth]

And most 1-10s have their very predominant flaws.

[thorny flame]

1-6 razor

[vast isle]

fark

[thorny flame]

no free lunch

everything is compromised

[proven hearth]

At that point. Why not go with a 2-10 and offset/inline dot

[thorny flame]

size and weight

[proven hearth]

Get stronger?

[thorny flame]

you can compromise on the glass quality if you're not using the visible spectrum

[proven hearth]

Size isnt much of an issue. Alot of 2-10's are just about the size of your 1-10's for comparison but hey do you

[thorny flame]

it is an issue which is why there are a dozen optics that size

that are all $4000

[fathom dragon]

Hahahaha

[thorny flame]

if the gun is 11.5"

you need every bit of space you can get

[proven hearth]

Also this is a reminder that a well balanced rifle is more important. Js

[fathom dragon]

The whole rifle is 11.5?

[thorny flame]

your available rail estate is

[proven hearth]

A 2-10 isnt going to take up all of your rail space. you'll still have plenty of room for activities but do you booboo

[thorny flame]

for example

and these are with the smallest laser possible

[proven hearth]

Running a clip on. Of course then you chew up rail space.

Take the clip on, off and you have plenty of room

Also, kwon is running a split top rail. Im not sure he gives a fuck about having space on the top of the rail for a LAM

[thorny flame]

yeah idk what kinda shooting he is doing

definitely not the kind to spend $4000 on this shit

[fathom dragon]

Is this you in your backyard

With your tactical backyard rifle

Is it called being cag

[thorny flame]

the cag one is shorter

ngmi

[fathom dragon]

Just get stronger bro

[thorny flame]

and lighter even

[fathom dragon]

Pour into Strength

[thorny flame]

get on bootleg chinese peptides

[lunar marsh]

You guys are arguing with a user that doesn’t own and has no experience with any of this equipment lol

[thorny flame]

isn't it past your bed time grandpa?

🥛

[fathom dragon]

Or so you reckon

[lunar marsh]

Don’t be mad cuz I’m correct…

[thorny flame]

discussing checks notes the most common available optics on the market

available for $250 at the largest firearms retailer in the country

go off king

[fathom dragon]

U mad bro?

[thorny flame]

if i need advice on the leatherwood M14 scope i'll hit you up

[lunar marsh]

It’s been a known thing here for a long time. He parrots Reddit and forum users information.

That’s why everyone ignores his takes on guns and gear here

[thorny flame]

don't take my word for it

[fathom dragon]

Redditard cag chud activated

[proven hearth]

Post night vision

[fathom dragon]

Who

[proven hearth]

It's applicable to everyone. You shouldnt have to ask

[proven hearth]

God we're so hot

[lunar marsh]

My IR rifle. PEQ16

[proven hearth]

Gimme

[lunar marsh]

Dig the choco chip cover

[proven hearth]

Mine isn't as cool as its not sbr'd. Yet.

[lunar marsh]

This is my favorite shooter. The NODs almost never leave the safe.

[proven hearth]

Just a PASGT cover i retrofitted onto the MICH

[proven hearth]

Hot

[thorny flame]

speaking of cag gooners, where is @echo cairn

[echo cairn]

Fuck yall want

[proven hearth]

Homie's jealous of nice things

[proven hearth]

It's okay dyer you can fuck off back to your hole

[thorny flame]

i do not think it is possible to build a rifle more expensive than that AX

video of the HISS shot floating around if you haven't seen it

[echo cairn]

lol

Lmao even

[lunar marsh]

Which one is you?

[proven hearth]

Imagine

[echo cairn]

I have nice thank you very much

[proven hearth]

Not even a reptilia mount smh my head

[echo cairn]

I just don't like the look

[proven hearth]

I do actually really like that bcm mount. Kinda hot

[echo cairn]

It is very nice

[thorny flame]

the green is nice

brown is next up on the list

people ran through all the tans

[proven hearth]

Once you get bored of it lmk

[lunar marsh]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a BCM mount. Looks alright

[echo cairn]

It's nice, it attaches a lil different than most mounts

[echo cairn]

Maybe soon. Toying of ideas with magnifiers

May just piss yall off and get another acog

[lunar marsh]

Boo this man

[proven hearth]

And have to ship it off for RMA again?

Go for it big dog

[echo cairn]

I'm so tough I can break an acog, top that

[proven hearth]

I think it more just shows how regarded one can be

[lunar marsh]

I only ever broke the top mounted RDS. Never the ACOG itself

[echo cairn]

Na I broke the acog lmao

[thorny flame]

someone cloned the overpriced spuhr one

the flip to either side one

[echo cairn]

I don't like the Spuhr mount

[proven hearth]

Ive never understood spuhr hype

[thorny flame]

it's all overpriced dogshit

but the little bayonet red dot thing is cool

@proven hearth from the noveske .mil guy

[slim matrix]

nice rifle

[carmine tide]

@round sentinel which has a better rate of fire, a musket or a c7

[round sentinel]

[wheat oasis]

I still can’t tell if that was a bit or not

[wheat oasis]

Hello John noveske

[lunar marsh]

Pretty sure it’s just a guy that needs hours of remedial training

[wheat oasis]

Hit him with a stick until he can run it properly

[lunar marsh]

Is it just me or does he have a big braided ponytail over his right shoulder…if so I think that explains the issue

[wheat oasis]

I think your right

[lunar marsh]

That boonie probably hiding a man bun as well

[atomic stream]

Does anyone here have experience with the bearing delayed blowback 9mm AR15 buffers? Thinking of getting one, I know it makes charging the weapon harder initially.

[turbid thicket]

sad thing is that guy is a sergeant

[lunar marsh]

Of what…..the clarinet section?

[silk rapids]

lol the fucking band geeks come in as an E-6

They can make 7 so fast

[lunar marsh]

Haha. My father in law was an E5 clarinet player in the 80s haha

[silk rapids]

That’s wild

Respect to the band tho, during GWOT some of these dudes acted as QRF

[lunar marsh]

I was an E6 about to go on another OIF deployment when I first met him…he said he was embarrassed to be considered a veteran lol

[round thunder]

alright chat, im gonna purchase a Springfield Echelon 4.0C 😎

[viscid lintel]

He's a reservist, got absolutely demolished for posting that video lol

[plain wind]

w photo

w gun

[wind coyote]

!ban 711997126506446938 hijacked account

[river onyx]

✅ Banned zxc_lobzz (Case #204479) (failed to message user: Cannot send messages to this user due to having no mutual guilds)

[wind coyote]

Hey guys don’t click random links online

[carmine tide]

FUCK

[wind coyote]

Lmfao

[thorny flame]

sounds like someone doesn't want thousands of free dollars totally legit definitely not a scam 🤑

[wind coyote]

Oh my bad I didn’t realize there were thousands of legit free dollars

[thorny flame]

yeah elon musk and mr beast want to give 🫵 you money directly

very generous

[lofty osprey]

Ooof

[lunar marsh]

The part he failed to mention the testing was done with multiple weapons. This only happened to the primers with 1 of those weapons and the weapon was found to have a broken firing pin. All other rounds didn’t have this issue

[lofty osprey]

It’s got some warning labels on the box. Says no suppressors and 556 chambers only, no 223 wylde recommended

If frontier is saying it’s loaded hot, thing must be hot hot

[lunar marsh]

The boxes I’ve seen don’t have those warnings. That was only a warning put out by a certain distributor

[placid basin]

what length suppressor would you guys say is good for a 11.5” 5.56 rifle?

[lunar marsh]

Regardless of length, I recommend a flow thru with a 11.5. Will be more enjoyable shoot

[placid basin]

agreed for sure

I was looking at the Rhodie 6K by Ridgeback Defense, low back pressure and surprisingly quiet for how short it is

but can’t find them anywhere in stock

So now I’m looking for alternatives

[lunar marsh]

I’m running a Hux 556 on my 11.5

[lofty osprey]

Exigent Fireteam

[placid basin]

will research those two and take them into consideration thank you

[lofty osprey]

But maybe not the exigent. BTUSA news puts some doubt on warranty

[placid basin]

True might want to avoid anything BTUSA related for a while

[thorny flame]

the pressure is whatever but the groups are kinda shit until they can get the line dialed

[placid basin]

right as I say this they come back in stock wow

[placid basin]

Let’s goooooo

[echo cairn]

Lmk how it performs

[placid basin]

It’ll be a while before I put a round through it, 6-8 week lead time

[grave kayak]

@unreal relic do i buy this https://www.titandefense.com/mlkmrpsc16-mars.html

[modest hatch]

@wind coyote got another for you

[tired aurora]

@timid belfry and or @floral veldt

[vast isle]

[blazing temple]

u are unloved kwon

[vast isle]

Hey less pings for me

[wind coyote]

[modest hatch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[carmine tide]

i got called a traitor to america (by a foreigner) bc we dont do returns on transferred firearms (turkish shotgun that blew up)

[obsidian dune]

interesting

[blazing temple]

Confix where is my extremely cheap usp expert

[carmine tide]

i ate it

[blazing temple]

I cannot believe you have no discount codes

[carmine tide]

Do you think people magically pull discount codes out their ass

[tropic zodiac]

Guys fun stalker is fruit cake

[blazing temple]

It's bedtime I am not currently thinking I'm just trying to spend money

[halcyon verge]

is five seven the goat?

[tropic zodiac]

yeah

[golden marlin]

No

It's a pretty shitty round

[lunar marsh]

Turncoat

[silk rapids]

@lunar marsh

This is gonna be good

[lunar marsh]

What it be?

[silk rapids]

LMT lowers

[round sentinel]

Another one

[modest hatch]

@vast isle

ty

[lunar marsh]

Got another in #irl-gear @vast isle

🫡

@vast isle

This getting wild

I’m not seeing these in other discord servers…is there just that many more morons on EFT that keep clicking this shit?

[vast isle]

Brah

I might as well keep this tab open atp

[lunar marsh]

Shits wild. Gonna need additional mods to moderate the scams lol

[round sentinel]

Jared for mod 2026

[lunar marsh]

You’ll need a mod for the mod

[round sentinel]

Sick sessamy on him

However I spell it

[soft jay]

Lol just don't click suspicious links

People should suffer consequences of their actions

[timid belfry]

Oh god

Fuck it

I vote yes

[round sentinel]

BASED

[blazing temple]

Pissmod

[tired aurora]

Oh sorry I forgot you're also a mod. 3 pings for future refrance then 🙂

[vast isle]

Nop dont ping me i dont exist

[tired aurora]

Too late you complained

[tired aurora]

Funnily enough it's an account hijack that then spams all available image channels and DMs of the hijacked Account.

The part that worries me is that it's getting worse. Happened to 2 friends already and one just sent it in DMS the other actually had account locked for 24h (both have 2fa)

[vast isle]

I didn't even say anything

My emote was the the compromised account spam

[livid holly]

Fuckin OOF

@round sentinel

[lunar marsh]

Put 100 rounds of the new Frontier 77gr FR262 through my 14.5 suppressed. No bad primers. Good 330 ejection and grouped decent while dialing in. Top group is 3 @ 50 yards and bottom is 3 @ 25. Probably not a complete BH MK262 replacement but decent @ .79 cpr

[blazing temple]

@timid belfry

[tepid cedar]

Entertaining to post a troy can tuck handguard right after the SLR version is posted

[thin cypress]

My space mac is almost here 🙇🏻‍♂️

[silk rapids]

I might grab a few boxes from scheels lol

I’m stopping by before I head back home

[lunar marsh]

I was pleasantly surprised considering some if the stories I’ve heard from other frontier lines

[fallen epoch]

Bren gang

[misty cove]

beter then ar

[short oriole]

Fuckass dog 😭

[round sentinel]

(Wrong)

[misty cove]

corect

[round sentinel]

Me when the nogunz has a bad opinion

[lunar marsh]

😂

[misty cove]

thats why im not biased

trust

[round sentinel]

Quite the reverse

The brens are def decent enough rifles tho

I wish they didn’t change the handguard mounting and used a chunkier gas journal

16/18mm is gay

[fallen epoch]

Agree

That’s my one nitpick

But other than that

Great rifle

I personally enjoy it a lot

Parts r just impossible to find sometimes

[round sentinel]

The issue of non AR/AK rifles😭

They are def solid rifles for sure

[fallen epoch]

Oh yeah I’ve already ran a few hundreds round through it today to get a feel for it, def a long time keeper

they thought this rifle out pretty darn well

[round sentinel]

Based

[misty cove]

nuh u

[fallen epoch]

Cat approval

[round sentinel]

Car!

[soft jay]

That's subjective thing

[round sentinel]

Your mom is a subjective thing

[soft jay]

That's the most American thing you could say

[round sentinel]

Yesh

[fallen epoch]

Wonderful

Eye candy

[fringe prawn]

i need my next build to be a retro CAR 15 100%

beautiful rifle

[lunar marsh]

It’s by far my favorite shooter these days. Light as hell compared to my other stuff and just overall fun

[placid basin]

what not putting 10lbs worth of shit on ur rifle does to a mf

[carmine tide]

The ar is not unique, that's why its the greatest fighting rifle ever designed

[round sentinel]

Ehhhh

It was quite unique at the time

[thorny flame]

it's very funny that the bren people get to experience the same shit the scar people do

spending thousands of dollars to correct what the factory should have done

extreme cope

(also zero support from the manufacturer because you suck and we hate you)

[round sentinel]

KEK real

[severe juniper]

aks-47u

or would it be akms-47u?

or akmsu?

Bulgarians don't like 545.

[thorny flame]

it would be none of those things because it is none of those things

[severe juniper]

Why not aksu if aksu shaped.

[round sentinel]

AKM74-S

:)

If you know

[misty cove]

stalker

[ivory violet]

Mmrrrpp mrreeoww

[round sentinel]

There ya go kek

[carmine tide]

hey hey hey woah now

i wouldnt go so far to insult bren people by calling them scar people

[thorny flame]

how to say poor in czech

[fallen epoch]

There really isn’t anything bad about the Bren 2 only that the parts can be difficult to find sometimes, mainly the barrel since a lot of the parts have been contracted to be sent to Ukraine

[thorny flame]

alright but if your entire selling point is a wowee modular rifle

[fallen epoch]

The only annoying part is that the safety selector isn’t metal

[thorny flame]

and then you can't support the rifle

what are we even doing

[fallen epoch]

It really isn’t made for super crazy modularity, more so ergonomics in my opinion from my first experiences with it

You can still put a nice sight, light or laser and suppressor on

And a foregrip if you want

All you need

Also Brens are way cheaper compared to scars

[thorny flame]

i mean they certainly are selling the bren 3 as that

[fallen epoch]

Ahhh well I don’t have a been 3

[thorny flame]

which, again, who knows if they'll ever even export kits

or make them

[fallen epoch]

I don’t think most ppl will for a bit

[thorny flame]

not unique to CZ

[fallen epoch]

But we will see how the Bren 3 performs

[thorny flame]

to date i think the only person i've seen offer kits is robarms

[fallen epoch]

Cz seems like HK

[thorny flame]

kits that you can actually buy, i mean

[fallen epoch]

There’s some aftermarket websites that make quality stuff

Just sad Cz can’t do it themselves

[thorny flame]

i wouldn't make that comparison

[fallen epoch]

Literally a MSBS grot

[thorny flame]

and honestly i think the modularity is way oversold

as a consumer, it's just never going to be used

[fallen epoch]

Ngl yeah I can agree with that

But it’s still an amazing rifle

The Bren 2 at least

idk about the 3 at all

[thorny flame]

definitely serviceable but i'm not on board with the value proposition

given the money people are going to put into them it's like

that's an entirely kitted and optimized AR

[fallen epoch]

Value wise of course I see where you come from but if you have a little extra bit of cash you want to spend on fun rifle the Bren is there and it is a cheaper alternative to some of the other rifles out there

Compared to FN or other large brand gun companies

[vast isle]

Tyty

[thorny flame]

and if that's not good enough for you, can always just upgrade to a razor

[vast isle]

Maybe down the line

[thorny flame]

but probably better spending the difference on tacos

[vast isle]

For now its nice

[thorny flame]

yeah they're entirely adequate for normal shit

[vast isle]

First time trying lpvo, is it supposed to be kinda not great at the 8x?

Or is it user error

Kinda blurry-ish

[thorny flame]

make sure the eyepiece is adjusted, RTFM

parallax for those is fixed at 100 yards

[vast isle]

Ah ok, tried aiming at the end of the home probably too close

[thorny flame]

but that's where the money goes when you spend $1000, $3000 etc

[vast isle]

Razor next year after more OT 🤣

[thorny flame]

they run dank sales sometimes

holidays etc

[vast isle]

If you happen to see it and happen to remember hmu :p

[thorny flame]

there's also some colt optics coming which will be interesting

the crew they got together is interesting

[round sentinel]

Except the fact the grot is an ACR, the Bren is a scar

[fallen epoch]

[round sentinel]

Polish improved ACR my beloved

[wheat oasis]

💯

[lofty osprey]

6ARC here I go

6 months....oof

[wooden frigate]

I love to burn my hand on mine

Perhaps it is time for a heat wrap

[blazing temple]

The mysterious and hard to source hand covering invention

[jaunty crane]

I actually was thinking about a 6mm arc rifle for like an SPR type build
what do you think of it?

i like the idea of it
getting more ballistic performance out of the ar15

[lofty osprey]

Idk yet. I’ll have my first example of one hopefully August. 4-6 month build time

Blackout Dynamics gas system interests me

[jaunty crane]

oh thats quite far lol
im probably going to have signed my airforce contract by then

if I wanted to do a 6mm arc though I was looking at PWS or geiselle

havent heard of blackout dynamics before but their rifle looks interesting

[lofty osprey]

G$ gets my vote. PWS great if you like piston

[jaunty crane]

not exactly sure
I've only shot DI rifles
and Im still on my first AR

[lofty osprey]

I prefer DI for longer range

[jaunty crane]

probably do that then for a SPR then so G$ it is

[silk rapids]

@lunar marsh

[misty cove]

You see americans cant design anything good

So we have to fix it

[soft jay]

Wrong

Keltec exists

[fringe prawn]

he says after every Euro rifle under the sun is a modified AR 18 in polymer furniture and all of Scandinavia is switching to an AR 15 platform rifle

[misty cove]

nuh uh

[fringe prawn]

https://www.sako.global/rifle/sako-arg-40-di-b2b

stoner supremacy

[misty cove]

scandinavia sucks

[golden marlin]

Tbh no

Dick swan and james Sullivan

Stoner was a dumbass during the AR development

Everyone quotes eugene Stoner for the development of the AR yet Eugene stoner was very against all of the changes that were done to the AR

James Sullivan and Bob Fremont did most of the work

And dick swan came in and made some of the modern changes

[fringe prawn]

true but in some instances i understand where he came from. His opposition was to the USMC turning the M16 into a service rifle competition build and not a fighting rifle

[golden marlin]

Eugene Stoner was very much someone who thought more commercially than he did on a military standard

But also like his final design was drastically different compared to what we ended up with now

Like I'm glad he was pushed off to the side because the AR project probably would have ended

And we would have ended up with something else

But I also don't believe that he should receive all of the glory for design that he was very much against

[fringe prawn]

eh idk i do like the final changes in respect to 1913 rails and other modernizations but i don’t think that retracts from the fact that it is overall his design for the base gas system, bolt, carrier, and most other things outside of ergonomics and modern features like rails

[golden marlin]

The only thing he really designed was the base idea and structure

He wasn't really like the proper brains

Think of it like John Moses Browning

He came up with the idea for a lot of different guns

But he had other people actually put that stuff on paper

Along with other engineers to actually do most of the heavy work to get it designed and specked out

[fringe prawn]

I mean he wasn’t a degreed mechanical engineer. He was a machinist by trade although a very good one there was a limit on what he could.

I do agree on JMB analogy

[golden marlin]

That may be true, but like again it kind of circles back to my point of he shouldn't really be given all of the credit

Because there was plenty of people that did either more work or were the bigger brains to get this gun to become a functional piece

That people gloss over

Like if something was done as a group project everybody should be given the credit not just one dude

But kind of coming back. Eugene would have probably killed the platform

If we let him have his way

[fringe prawn]

i do agree. Although i like his OG concept still i guess you’re right. the other definitely should get a lot of credit even though idk if i necessarily agree with every decision that made for the later iterations of the weapon.

I think URGI somewhat circles back to the OG concept in some ways

[golden marlin]

Definitely not

Though I also do not like the URGI system

The only thing I agree with it is the barrel

The handguard itself. I think it's just trash

Compared to like if some of the other existing mlok

But a free-floated system that was introduced by dick swan

[fringe prawn]

if only that got more hype outside of people loving it on the MW2 M4

[golden marlin]

I mean it was pretty popular with special forces at the time

[fringe prawn]

true

[golden marlin]

And everyone knows that black water used it heavily

Even still today, Travis Haley uses a lot of arms

Many of what arms did is still used today

For other designs

[fringe prawn]

i haven’t heard his name in like 15 years

[golden marlin]

He's dead now

[fringe prawn]

oh damn

rip

[golden marlin]

But when it came to like the actual modernization of the platform he was a very big name

And a lot of his designs are still used and copied today like through LaRue and vltor

And covid just also wasn't too kind of the company

[fringe prawn]

that i wasn’t aware of

[golden marlin]

He literally was the designer for 1913 and he was one of the first people to actually put a free-floated handguard on the market

Along with being a part of different optics programs

He was a big name for the modernization of the platform

[golden marlin]

This literally came from his journal

The problem is he did get into some drama with some of the people over at colt

[fringe prawn]

I thought Larry Vickers and Larue did most of the modern AR concepts along with Knight

[golden marlin]

Nope, arms was one of the first people

[fringe prawn]

i see

[golden marlin]

Larue If I remember correctly based his QD design off of the arm systems

Dick swan got into some arguments with some of the other people out there which actually got his name removed from the credited list for the 1913 system

He was very vocal about his work and if people were going to discredit him he was very vocal

That arms guy is a great source of just arms information

[fringe prawn]

rip that does suck. Group projects in general are awful

[fringe prawn]

ill read some more of his stuff thanks

[golden marlin]

He did a lot of stuff I wasn't credited as well as he should have been

Even then, if I remember correctly, Colt still uses one of their arms rifles as a test rifle

[rocky phoenix]

Leg meta irl

[true mist]

whats the diff between hydra shok, HST, and something from another brand like speer gold dot

[lunar marsh]

Hydra shock is very old and now outdated tech. HST and SGD is bonded and works well on barriers. They are pretty much the gold standard for LE due to their barrier performance/expansion consistency

[true mist]

okay gotcha gotcha

yeah i run lawman+gold dot for matches/carry and its affordable enough i havent really looked into other options for training, so idk as much as i should about pistol ammo options especially legacy offerings

[lunar marsh]

Issued GD my 13 years as a cop so I still just use it in my 9mm carry guns. Carry old school Remington Saber in 1911 because it feeds reliably

[silk rapids]

This MR556 upper’s rear lug was too tight for BCM takedown pins, I had to dremel off some material for it to mate properly

Paired it up with the non ambi LMT lower and it actually pretty nice now

[rocky phoenix]

I run Hornady Critical Defense 9mm

For security

[true mist]

i used to run crit duty in my carry

but gold dot is way cheaper

and having that dedicated training counterpart is worth the switch to me

[rocky phoenix]

Basically the 75mm ballistic capped version of a 9mm

[tired aurora]

7.5?

[rocky phoenix]

No

That little rubber piece in the crit defense is just to help it fly better

[silk rapids]

Anyone have any experience with the warne Glock mag extensions

[rocky phoenix]

I do not

[tired aurora]

okay fair enough.

[round sentinel]

It’s mostly for another reason ironically

The Hornady rubber inserts in their defensive ammo is mainly to aid in rapid expansion

Their hard rubber caps on rifle ammo does the same but has the bigger emphasis on aerodynamics

[lunar marsh]

Hahaha make it fly better

[round sentinel]

It’s technically not wrong, it does help with drag, even in the defensive ammo

It’s just super marginal for anything pistol caliber

[lunar marsh]

Exactly. Essentially worthless except terminal ballistics

[round sentinel]

Probably like a .1 vs .102 G1 difference

So like an inch of difference at 1000

[lunar marsh]

an improved hyrdra shok post

[round sentinel]

Kek

But yeah the rubber tip is super nasty in their rifle loadings

The AMAX stuff can absolute rip off limbs and it’s great

[lunar marsh]

I’ve never shot the rifle loadings but the pistol loadings perform no better than Speer GD or HST

I was surprised by the new Hornady/Frontier 262 clone. Didn’t blow up rifle, no blown primers, consistent ejection pattern and grouped decent enough for .79 cpr 77gr

3 rd groups @ 25 and 50 no wild fliers

The tough part is dialing in a 40 year old aimpoint that has no audible clicks in the turrets lol

[silk rapids]

@lunar marsh how far does your backyard range extend to again?

[lunar marsh]

Only 200 yrds

[silk rapids]

Still a lot better than most

Possibly going to a shootout/camping event on Friday to Sunday in Olympia

Gonna be doing night shoots for 2 days

[lunar marsh]

Me and brother have been having serious discussions about building a shoot house back there

I might be able to make it one afternoon and do a little shooting after work

[silk rapids]

I can help if it’s on a weekend haha

It’s an hr or so drive to go there

[hardy perch]

I try to shoot a 100m 2" target with a 2moa dot and hunting ammo by fiocchi EPN .223

[sly matrix]

My newest pew.
Can’t wait to shoot it this weekend

[round sentinel]

vska

LMAO

[sly matrix]

Look, I got it as is for under 500.
Id say i got out pretty good.

[carmine tide]

you bought a hand grenade

[sly matrix]

seriously?
No review ive seen has stated that being a problem with them

Its not the RAS47 lol...

[golden marlin]

They still use casting on a lot of the parts

Especially with the bolt and carrier

And that looks like an older model

So still caste trunnion

It's a grenade

[lunar marsh]

💥

[sly matrix]

Ill probably replace it in the future with one of the PSA AK100 series then.

Shame, but well, it happens.

atleast if it does explode, my milliniel dream wil be achieved.

[golden marlin]

No

Those are dog shit too

[sly matrix]

mokay, what am i supposed to get then, im on a budget since im saving for a house.

i want to stay sub 1k for now

[golden marlin]

Get a wasr 10

Or a wbp

Just wait for a good sale

[sly matrix]

ill look at those. thanks

[golden marlin]

I've seen wasr 10s go for 600

It's not the prettiest but it's a good ak

Wbp is nicer

[sly matrix]

cant i just replace the problem parts in the one i have?
like is that impossible? or did they do apple level stupid and make it proprietery?

[golden marlin]

This isn't a ar

You can't just magically swap parts and expect it to work

You would essentially be rebuilding the whole thing

And that's gonna cost you the price of a new gun anyways

Like AKs are riveted and requires a lot more for headspacing

[sly matrix]

damn.
lessons learned then.

[next quarry]

Who can identify this shotgun?

[modest hatch]

I might know a guy

[modest hatch]

Fünfling

Step up from a Drilling rifle

And found a post with photos and more details
https://www.reddit.com/r/H3VR/comments/tn64wm/the_fünfling_a_weapon_forgotten_until_now/

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__POSSIBLY_ONE_OF_A_KIND_PETER_OBERHAMMER__FUNFL-lot516085.aspx

"Calibers from left to right are 9.3x82R, followed by two in 9.1x52R, and finally a 11x74R over the 16 gauge shotgun."

[true mist]

you would unironically be leagues better off with a draco

than with a PSA or VSKA

[sly matrix]

Sadness, I’ve wanted one of the PSA 100 series ever since garand thumbs vid

[true mist]

theres an argument for the higher end PSA AKs if you dont give a shit if it stops working

but for the money id rather go with the stuff that's actually good

especially from an enthusiast perspective

[golden marlin]

It's not a real 100 series gun

It's a just a AKM in drag

Not a single part of that gun is 100 series spec

Also Garand thumb you shouldn't base your opinion on what to buy from him

He's paid by the company

[next quarry]

Danke!

[modest hatch]

Hope it helps whatever you're seeking

[next quarry]

Yep.
Now i need to extend my license and find Fünfling

[modest hatch]

Lol good luck

I'd love a drilling rifle but alas most are in calibers that have become unobtanium or slowly becoming rarer and more difficult to handload. Started contemplating how much it would cost to make a more modern one

[next quarry]

Or find Büchsenmacher, who will be able to make it.
Cause Fünfling has bit to old calibres.

[sly matrix]

time to find a WASR then lol

[carmine tide]

@blazing temple didnt you want a DOE carbine?

[blazing temple]

I dont think so why

[true mist]

I kinda wish i went with a wasr over my zastava

would have saved on money+weight and had more parts compatibility

i still love my zpap tho

[sly matrix]

NGL, at first i was annoyed, but then, cofee, and rationality came in, id like to thank you all, I have a bit of buyers remorse, but ya know, lessons learned, and now i know that i have a junk gun.

[true mist]

grand scheme of things that's not a super expensive lesson to learn

making mistakes is how you learn yk

[sly matrix]

not at all, i only paid around 500 for it at the local pan shop.

and thats with the Magpull furniture.

I might strip those and just keep them for my next ak.

[modest hatch]

If you can shield yourself from fragmentation. It might be a fun test bed

Or a fun thing to watch explode, again, if done with some measure of safety

[true mist]

get reloading equipment/find a reloader and see how much powder you can put into a round until the gun fails

[carmine tide]

Nvm that was bob

@scenic jetty the doe carbines are back in stock

[lunar marsh]

I like the DOE. Might be one of my next

[silk rapids]

Do it

[scenic jetty]

Oh shit

But tbf I want the 635 carbine

[compact ledge]

Just finished throwing this cutie together boys, how yall feel about it?

[golden marlin]

Yeet the flashlight shaped bomb

[true mist]

from what i know, the DD AR-10 is a poor value slightly made up for by the DD warranty

AR-10s are kinda weird because even the good brands are a little all over the place especially compared to AR-15 production

but at least if its fucked DD is good about supporting their products

if the money isnt a question i def cant say you did poorly

[true mist]

oh also your optic mount is backwards

[compact ledge]

Backwards or forwards doesnt make much difference, all I want is the optic even with the charging handle at address for good eye boxing, and if the flashlight shaped bomb goes off, I'm going to meet Jesus anyway, so I think it can stay 🙂

I think poor value might be overstated. Paying for a DD is certainly not like paying for a LMT or something, but the reliability and consistency is certainly there from what I've seen through research, and the DD warranty bolsters that confidence.

Knowing that I can get thousands of rounds through this and can expect a hassle free repair if I don't was a nice selling point.

But you are right tho that thang sho is backwards.

[true mist]

reversing a cantilever is just kind of silly but afaik theres no downside other than getting made fun of

but you could have just gotten a boring regular mount instead of the cantilever if you arent using the cantilever function

[true mist]

poor value i meant specifically in the context of the AR-10, DDs are expensive for what they offer especially given AR-10 failure rates and QC issues

but yeah DD warranty is solid, and im a big fan of my DDM4 upper that I run

[compact ledge]

O yeah, fasho at least from a dollar to feature perspective.