irl-weapons

[ocean pike]

Can’t forget stupid

[fringe prawn]

you're like the only person here could possibly buy one since you're next door to Ukraine lol

[jaunty crane]

is there anything like the bcm vertical grip that isn't designed for extraterrestrials
like why is the emissary handbrake sloped forward

i would consider the DAC longstop if I didn't have a quad rail

[round sentinel]

Get a tangodown

Their short grips are p solid and have a teardrop shape to them off one side that fits the hand a little nicer

[jaunty crane]

I did use the BCM grip and I really liked the way you're supposed to hold them
the tango downs seem too vertical for that though

just wondering if there are any alternatives

[round sentinel]

So you do want the forward cant?

[jaunty crane]

backwards cant

[round sentinel]

Just turn it around then?

[jaunty crane]

you cant turn the handbrake around

[round sentinel]

The BCM 85 degree grip? I’ve had em and you can

But the emissary yeah that’s diff

[jaunty crane]

when I say backwards cant I meant the way you're supposed to use the BCM grip

[round sentinel]

I’m honestly failing to see what issue you have with them

[jaunty crane]

I like them Im just wondering if theres anything else I should consider

[round sentinel]

Ahhh

Well if you want hand stop options, driven arms co has a similar one to the emmisary

So does Arisaka

Driven is pretty awesome tbh, would recommend looking at their options in general

[jaunty crane]

the only issue is

I have a picatinny rail

[jaunty crane]

I love the SCG pistol grip from driven

[round sentinel]

could use a pic to mlok adapter

I have their old SCG

[jaunty crane]

they
make those?

[round sentinel]

I want to get one of the current ones

Yeah they do. It’s jank kek

I have one for mounting my dual body light

[jaunty crane]

they look
jank

[round sentinel]

I need to see if driven will entertain the idea of making me a custom set of their AK SCG for a diff mount interface for my own work

They do make the short stop in pic btw

Just looked

https://drivenarmsco.com/product/shortstop-picatinny/

[jaunty crane]

yeah but
that one is more like the KAG i already have

I want something more like how you grip the BCM grip
have you seen their long stop?

[round sentinel]

You do want something more BCM based ok

Yeah the long stop is silly

[jaunty crane]

I do like it though

it looks comfy

[round sentinel]

I honestly don’t think there’s anything else BCM similar

Unless you want a rear cant

In which case the pistol grip based grips all do

[jaunty crane]

yeah I'll get the BCM I have no problem with them
I was just wondering what else was out there

[round sentinel]

Yeah there’s nothing else really in that market that I can think of tbh

[thorny flame]

you can cant the truenorth one @jaunty crane

[jaunty crane]

interesting little guy

[thorny flame]

noveske also has one

but i think that one is mlok only

[jaunty crane]

a bit small

[thorny flame]

https://drewmeyerdefense.com/products/chopstop-mod3

do you need it to be real proud?

(also cable management)

bonus

emissary also has a larger one

[jaunty crane]

yeah im just wondering how comfortable that one is since
it's swept forwards

I tried the BCM grip swept forwards and I hated it

[thorny flame]

well are you running switches/lasers

[jaunty crane]

not yet but Im waiting for that railmount VIR light from streamlight

[carmine tide]

At what point does a hand stop become a vertical grip

[thorny flame]

probably right about there

[carmine tide]

Also ive discovered a flaw with the sp5

Bc of injuries i cant rotate my wrist comfortably to c clamp it

[thorny flame]

it's just about the position of your wrist

not really one size fits all

which is why there are 200 of them

[timid belfry]

you bought a sp5?

[carmine tide]

Yes

[timid belfry]

been eyeballing them hard

[carmine tide]

Buy one

[thorny flame]

what handguard

[timid belfry]

wish they were $2500 like they were all last year

[carmine tide]

Right now it has a Midwest mlok im going to put a utg pro monolithic on it

[timid belfry]

im struggling to drop $3300 on a sp5, 25-2800 is more palatable lmao

[carmine tide]

I got a sp5l from work for like 1800 and im gonna cut the barrel to 8.9

[thorny flame]

the midwest is pretty slim relative to the others

can always go full regard and put the surefire joint on it or something

[carmine tide]

Im hoping with a handstop and different rail itll be easier

I can c clamp it kinda but I cant use my thumb for point firing

But bc of how compact it is makes it painful on my wrist

[thorny flame]

(this is also why the 33s/91s suck lmao)

[carmine tide]

I could just sbr it and grip the shaft

[carmine tide]

@thorny flame slightly concerning thing just happened

I was doing reloading drills and trying out different grips, felt a pop in my wrist and now it doesnt hurt

[wheat oasis]

C clamp an mp5 of all things

[carmine tide]

Its good for point shooting

[wheat oasis]

Fair point

[floral veldt]

ayo

[carmine tide]

It doesnt hurt? But I also feel a pop when I rotate it a certain way

[floral veldt]

Pop like when you crack your knuckles or a more.. tangible... pop

[carmine tide]

Like when you crack your knuckles without the crack

Am I just getting old

[floral veldt]

If your birthyear starts with a 1, of course

[carmine tide]

HEY

[floral veldt]

Now cmon grandpaw need to get you in bed and start your meds

[carmine tide]

YOU SHIT

[carmine tide]

Someone at work said "I spoke to a young guy earlier it wasn't you"

And im turning 31 this weekend

I do NOT need this slander

[floral veldt]

[carmine tide]

Im not old

[unique fjord]

You old

[thorny flame]

gotta get you a supplement stack and a gentle grip trainer clearly

[carmine tide]

Im not fucking geriatric I dont need daily vitamins

[thorny flame]

got a line on BPC-157

[carmine tide]

I should do tren

Im already bald

[trim lava]

you should do tren

[blazing temple]

Old ass confix

[lunar marsh]

👨🏼‍🦳

[obsidian dune]

🌚

[fallen epoch]

Billions must blast EQ and tren

Gear is op as fuck when you do it right

Good for becoming a mass monster

[hushed salmon]

@carmine tide I leave for 5 minutes and you're the new grandpa of the server

[carmine tide]

IM NOT OLD

[obsidian dune]

im starting to think this guy is old

[carmine tide]

Im 30

[lunar marsh]

old AF

[lunar marsh]

🪦

[jaunty crane]

OLD

[obsidian dune]

the consensus is in

[mossy surge]

Just do mild test cycles like a grown up, tren will destroy you.

[ocean pike]

Unc status

[misty cove]

unc

[slate heath]

Old

[fallen epoch]

Old

Might as well get some life insurance and put them kids in the will before you croak grandpa

[round sentinel]

He won’t have kids, he can’t even find a woman

[misty cove]

he will find a man

[round sentinel]

KEK

[soft jay]

What happened with that married woman?

[tropic zodiac]

Guys what if marriage was like forever

That would be crazy

Just use all your weapons

[misty cove]

how do u even fall for thius

[hushed salmon]

Added you to my "Pensioners" friends group on Steam

[carmine tide]

[carmine tide]

You already know why I dont want to try to have kids again

[round sentinel]

Good

[carmine tide]

Can't trust women

[carmine tide]

Yea abortion is good, very classy

[blazing temple]

Gpa finally learns 80 years later

[olive meadow]

world is safer that way

[carmine tide]

tell that to my unborn kid

[olive meadow]

I meant the trying again.. The abortion is a terrible thing.

[carmine tide]

I would like to have kids, however I do not trust women to either kill them or try to make a family work

[modest hatch]

I wasn't expecting to look in and be sad reading over here today

I pray that it'll one day work out in your favor

[round sentinel]

Good thing that’s not your choice then

[round sentinel]

‘It’s women’s fault’ says the dude who can’t communicate like a healthy normal adult and find normal partners.

Every time

[carmine tide]

Ah yea blame my ex getting an abortion and cheating on me

Id say I hope yours cheats but youre so much of a damaged sociopath I doubt you'd care

And watch im somehow the bad one for saying that

[round sentinel]

Because you are

[carmine tide]

There it is

[round sentinel]

I don’t only mean her lmao

[carmine tide]

0 accountability

[round sentinel]

I mean in general

[carmine tide]

And here's the back tracking

You knew the reason, and you replied good

[round sentinel]

I have to dumb it down for you, my bad

[carmine tide]

You think its a good thing my kid was killed

[round sentinel]

Never said that now did I

[carmine tide]

And yet IM still the bad one

[blazing temple]

[carmine tide]

Right here

[round sentinel]

Both of you can be bad

[round sentinel]

That’s literally not what that means lmao

‘I don’t want to try to have kids again’
‘Good’
Nowhere does it say what you just did

[carmine tide]

And what is the part you left out?

[blazing temple]

It's ok confix is just having a woman moment rn

[round sentinel]

P much

[blazing temple]

The shit that you said later that doesn't change the meaning of what neko said?

People were just giving you shit like always until you changed the conversation

[lunar marsh]

We need a gun to break up this downward spiral

[round sentinel]

Ayup lmao

[carmine tide]

I said she knows the reason why

[carmine tide]

The reason was my ex got an abortion

To which she replied "good"

[blazing temple]

I will give you $5 for the glove gun

[round sentinel]

Bro you think I follow anything about your relationships

[carmine tide]

I remember the shit you've told me

[round sentinel]

All I know is that you are a home wrecker

[blazing temple]

I think last time any of us had heard anything you were fucking a married woman

[round sentinel]

Ayup

Which is disgusting

[carmine tide]

Yea this was before that

[blazing temple]

Like even kenji remembers that and idk when the last time I saw him around was

[modest hatch]

Yeah I went to the local gun show and saw that. Thought it was cool to actually see one in person vs online

[carmine tide]

That ended like a year ago

[round sentinel]

Good

Stop being an outlet for cheating

[modest hatch]

What model?

[blazing temple]

Be more like me and just don't interact with people outside of work and family

[lunar marsh]

A300

[round sentinel]

Kinda based

[blazing temple]

Being a hermit is a good and healthy lifestyle

[round sentinel]

Kek

[modest hatch]

I thought so. Been looking at that and a few others considering getting a more modern shotgun than my Marlin

[blazing temple]

Tgif

Now wheres my goddamn can?

[carmine tide]

They got divorced after a DV situation

Classic

[round sentinel]

So? You aren’t free from guilt

[carmine tide]

I have no guilt

Women are hoes

[round sentinel]

Classic shitty person

Got it

[carmine tide]

I'm just enjoying it

[carmine tide]

Ironic from you

[round sentinel]

Do it

[lunar marsh]

I couldn’t justify another $800+ dollars for the 1301 model

[carmine tide]

You literally just said a dead kid is a good thing

[blazing temple]

Sure mr richie rich

[round sentinel]

Yeah keep purposefully misinterpreting what I said lmao

[lunar marsh]

That’s why I have money haha. Saving it where it can be saved lol

[carmine tide]

There's no misinterpreting it

[blazing temple]

Nobody said that man. You are interpreting it that way but nobody was saying that

[round sentinel]

I’m the one with a healthy real relationship and you are just the sad excuse blaming everyone else for you being a garbage person

[round sentinel]

Real and true oomfie

[carmine tide]

Im blaming the woman who chose to kill a child

[blazing temple]

What happened fucking sucks and I don't think any of the regs here are enough of a dick to go intentionally pushing that button

[round sentinel]

Real

[carmine tide]

And im blaming you for saying dead kids are a good thing bc you did say that

[blazing temple]

It was just the usually shittalk we always do

[round sentinel]

Bro is so ass mad because we joked about not needing mini confix running around

When that wasn’t even what anyone said

Typical

But we are the problem, not the openly sexist cheater

[modest hatch]

I currently have a Marlin 120 MXR and spare 28in barrel. Its solid, but the want for something newer and a little better for a bump in the night piece. I looked at the 1301 but heard the 300 was great for the price.

[round sentinel]

[carmine tide]

No not the others, they didnt say good, I did misunderstand shootin but he did not say what you said

[blazing temple]

Confix is turning into a hs lit teacher

[round sentinel]

Always was

[blazing temple]

She said good to you not having kids. There was nothing more to it you are finding meaning that weren't there. The curtains were fucking blue

[round sentinel]

Literally my actual opinion of what his ex did is that she was awful for doing that. Literally completely separate from what I said before lmao

Inb4 ‘You are backtracking’ because he failed basic reading comprehension

I literally don’t care about anyone else relationship situation, it’s not my job to follow it.

[carmine tide]

Yea it isnt mine either, I still remember shit bc im not a narcissistic sociopath

You may not give a shit about kids, I personally would've liked to be a dad

[round sentinel]

And you literally can be

If you stop being such a jack ass and be a healthy adult and find a decent woman

Knock off the edgy sexist shit and just be normal

[carmine tide]

My opinion of women is perfectly normal given my history with them

[round sentinel]

Those are individual women that you got yourself into choosing

[blazing temple]

All I got to add is that if I knew about this shit I had totally forgotten about it. I may be terminally online but I do have other shit to remember than the shitty things that have happened to people I will probably never meet.

[round sentinel]

Real, I’m basically only online when I’m kicking around doing jack shit at work. I barely pay attention, let alone to someone whose not close to me

[modest hatch]

Honestly same. Maintenance has a lot of downtime.

[carmine tide]

You act like the ex and the married women are the only two women ive dated

Well the married one isnt even a relationship

[round sentinel]

No but you do pride yourself on being part of cheating. And it’s disgusting

[blazing temple]

That's it. I'm finding shit to write tickets on when I get to work

[carmine tide]

Yea bc it just proves my point

[round sentinel]

Both genders cheat, get over yourself

[blazing temple]

Self fulfilling prophecy type shit

[carmine tide]

And which one does it exponentially more i wonder

[round sentinel]

Be fuckin normal and maybe you’ll find someone worth having kids with instead of whining that women are evil

[round sentinel]

Literally

Statistically men are more likely to cheat anyways

[modest hatch]

No plz

[round sentinel]

It’s marginally in men’s ‘favor’

But it’s a small gap

[blazing temple]

At least 5. And I'm going to fly ash to find them

There's always something out there that needs fixed

[modest hatch]

I already had pencil pushers demand the area around the drop ceiling get painted after someone fell through

[blazing temple]

Hah

[round sentinel]

LOL

[modest hatch]

Let me check photos and I'll share a short story

[blazing temple]

We had insulation soaked in rainwater hanging down in one of our control rooms for months because they didn't fix the leak or the drop ceiling

[round sentinel]

thats awful kek

[blazing temple]

It was kinda funny because you had to dodge it anytime you stepped up onto the deck

[round sentinel]

also im fuckin excited, takin the 1911 kits out Saturday prolly

[blazing temple]

You would have been fine because you are short

[round sentinel]

My dad saw the 8.6 for the first time today and was bewildered by it lmao

[blazing temple]

But the rest of us had to dodge it

[round sentinel]

(Im not)

[blazing temple]

We're shooting again tomorrow but I still have no can

[round sentinel]

😭

[blazing temple]

Oh right that's honda

My b

[round sentinel]

lol

Im putting the 308 kit on this kek

its gonna be so stupid

Im excited to see if I can break this frame

[blazing temple]

Suspiciously normal looking neko firearm

[round sentinel]

its getting the springfield SASS 1911-A2 308 break action kit

you think I would actually buy a tisas from my buddy to be normal

[modest hatch]

Story time:
IT guy was chasing a ether connection in the ceiling. As we found out from this event, he wasn't familiar with how a drop ceiling works. He set his right foot on a support, it didnt give, so he decided to shift his other foot and that's when it gave.
Down below in the meeting room our microbiology department is having a meeting and I kid you not they had just hit the slide about safety when IT guy comes crashing through the ceiling

[round sentinel]

LMAO

[blazing temple]

That's hilarious

[round sentinel]

I need to buy the gun from him Saturday when we shoot

[blazing temple]

We made a glacier the other day

[modest hatch]

Plant management goes overboard with corrective actions and demands that more safety measures be put in place to prevent this from happening again.
Actions to be taken:
More gates to prevent access upstairs
More plastics chains around the ceiling
Paint the area around the drop ceiling so its more visible

[blazing temple]

Someone didn't close the tap valve when it was 20° and windier than shit

Dude

I have to come in an hour early for a fucking meeting about line of fire

[modest hatch]

So this now what it looks like

The red fucking line in an indirectly lit ceiling. Night mode kicked in so the photo is a lot brighter

[round sentinel]

[modest hatch]

The decision making here astounds me

[blazing temple]

Upper management is the same everywhere you go

[modest hatch]

Example: last shutdown we had HEPA calibration, wall painting, and floor being sanded down for a fresh coat of epoxy all at the same time.

[blazing temple]

Ah here you can go fix the leak causing this

[blazing temple]

That sounds about right

[modest hatch]

Maintenance and the calibration techs made friends and we agreed to leave while they did their thing since management can't schedule worth shit

[blazing temple]

That's what management wants anyways the techs are more expensive than you are

Especially if they are contractors

[modest hatch]

They are

[blazing temple]

Me getting yelled at for not escorting a truck in fast enough when the outside rounds phone never rang despite the guard shack calling 3 times supposedly

[modest hatch]

Though our calibration manger is really good about communication when they have people coming and often has maintenance help with stuff. Our other managers struggle to communicate a schedule

[blazing temple]

I swear sometimes the supervisors act like anything that costs the company money comes directly from their bonuses

[modest hatch]

Welllll so... I have a different opinion as to why some things at my plant happen the way they do and I'll provide the context why

1. I work in pharma
2. The company is based out of India

[blazing temple]

Ruff

[modest hatch]

Imagine getting a tech in for a piece of equipment that has such a strong accent trying to communicate to a Puerto Rican and as southern as a southern can be. Oh and add they are racist and will only really talk to the other Indians

[round sentinel]

[modest hatch]

I've dealt with jerks but I have a newfound disdain for Indians. Some of them are great and we go to the bar after work, but damn some of them

[carmine tide]

Most

99%

[misty cove]

do they introduce caste system

[modest hatch]

You can feel it with some of the techs and higher ups when they come over

[carmine tide]

Saar do not redeem

[misty cove]

hmm

[modest hatch]

It annoys me because I know how nice some of them are.

[carmine tide]

How many of the nice ones were born in india

[round sentinel]

yeah they have this cultural thing about exploiting eachother and companies, they are almost all like that

[modest hatch]

Quite a few. The working pop here is like 70% India and I'd say 90% were born there

[carmine tide]

Oh they're all job thiefs

[modest hatch]

My coworker I work with in the spare parts cage is wonderful. He's like 60 and is the standard "sweet old man stereotype" is from India

[carmine tide]

Literally never heard of that stereotype

[round sentinel]

the northern guys are that way

yeah

[blazing temple]

You've never met a nice old dude?

[carmine tide]

Nice old Indian

[modest hatch]

Back to the main point, most of them I work with on a day to day are fine

Current work drama is production getting pissed at engineering for having work done in a room thats open to the atmosphere and the only way to get to the room is through the production corridor. Possible source of contamination.

[tiny quest]

What do you guys think paint Magwell/trigger black?

[blazing temple]

I think give it to me

You can keep the can I just want another pdp

[tiny quest]

😆 yeah i really like it as well, super fun to shoot

[thorny flame]

no? you're not operating, it's a race gun

[tiny quest]

Yeah you might be right but its the only „colorful“ gun in my collection so i dont know how to feel about it 😅

[thorny flame]

it's a gun just shoot it

embrace race gun maximalism

[thorny flame]

people apparently have their discord passwords set to 1234

[true mist]

i wouldnt paint the trigger, any paint is going to add material thats going to rub the frame

best case scenario it makes the trigger internals kinda nasty but worst case it could negatively impact trigger feel or make the trigger heavier depending on how sensitive the trigger is to getting dirty

[soft jay]

It's not password problem

It's problem with people clicking suspicious links

[unique fjord]

Does that hurt the floor

[tropic zodiac]

Idk

[blazing temple]

Nah it's just concrete under that

[tropic zodiac]

I’ve got a question what is with some pistols and having double triggers?

[tiny quest]

What do you mean with Double trigger? Its the safety for pretty much every strike fired pistol. Or do you mean somethin else?

[tropic zodiac]

Oh so you have to have the first trigger depressed in order to fire?

And then you can continue to squeeze?

[tiny quest]

Yeah same with glocks for example

[tropic zodiac]

Oh hell yeah I always thought like 2 triggers so double the bullets

[tiny quest]

😅 i meeeean why not?

[tropic zodiac]

Is there a way that you could make it work that way

[blazing temple]

If you had two barrels sure

Be like a side by side shotgun

[round sentinel]

I thought he was asking about set triggers

Not trigger safeties

[round sentinel]

That concept does exist in a few very niche guns. The S333 doible barrel revolver from Standard Mfg does it

Where they have a two finger trigger with a single blade trigger that sits inside the top half of the two finger trigger

[blazing temple]

He was looking at the walther PDT though which is just a trigger safety

[round sentinel]

It’s stupid af

[round sentinel]

Yeah I realized kek

[blazing temple]

I lied

That's the dpt not the pdt

Pdt is the stock trigger for most models

Neko you need a gilboa snake I think

[round sentinel]

No

[blazing temple]

Es

[round sentinel]

Too late. Buying more hand rifles

[blazing temple]

I need so much more money

[round sentinel]

Kek

[carmine tide]

you got a pretty mouth

[blazing temple]

I have easy access to overtime that pays well

I needn't stoop to your level

[carmine tide]

i dont sell crack

im a prostitute

wait

[tropic zodiac]

This is true

[blazing temple]

Well you know what mc ricky d says

[median tundra]

These took the nazis on both fronts

[median tundra]

Nvm the carbine is a reproduction FUCK

[fringe prawn]

aren’t the repros pretty decent though

[median tundra]

Yeah but the originals have stories

[ivory violet]

[livid holly]

@round sentinel I have a meme for you

[modest hatch]

That's beautiful

[astral quest]

Yummy Mosin

[autumn field]

i wish i could buy weapons

[true mist]

weapons are pretty cool

[tiny quest]

I got the grandsons 🤠 svt and mosin next

Meant to link the picture above*

[carmine tide]

why do idiots call companies with part numbers not from our website

"yea ill call psa with an inventory number from primary arms thatll work bc my cousin whos my brother fucked my mom whos my sister"

[blazing temple]

Because some people haven't had to work retail and don't realize inventory numbers aren't standardized

[carmine tide]

I knew that without working retail

I knew that when I was a teenager

[blazing temple]

Yes but you are autistic

[carmine tide]

No I'm just not regarded

[blazing temple]

That's not the kind of thing your average person is going to think about if they don't have a reason to

[carmine tide]

Its not even a conscious thought to look up a part number from the site im calling

Thats like saying you manually breathe

[next quarry]

As person, who was born in USSR, can you please explain me fascination for USSR rifles?
Cause USSR weapons are shit.
Almost everything was created for personal with low qualification(manufacturing and usage).
If you check manuals to weapons - you will see, that after shooting you need to clean your weapon for 5 days with cancerogenic chemicals.
Cause most ammunition has corrosive primers with quicksilver.

[round sentinel]

Fake and not true

[hushed salmon]

Dog

[round sentinel]

Namely, for the west, it’s the media bad guy gun

[scenic jetty]

Dosent psa email you that number

[round sentinel]

People think it’s cool because it’s what the bad guys all had in their favorite action movie or game

Mix that in with Vietnam made up stories that got passed down

[next quarry]

But west has better AK's: FN FNC, FN CAL, Sig550

[round sentinel]

Modern, not better

[next quarry]

Even the damn AK was re-made M1 Garand/Carabine

[round sentinel]

No, no it was not. Kek

But regardless it was just media stuff

[next quarry]

There is russian book.
Live of outstanding people Kalashnikov (Жизнь замечатльных людей: Калашников).
In this book Kalashnikov told the best weapon he saw was M1 Garand/Carabine.
And if you compare - M1 and AK are:

• Gas operated
• Long-stroke
• rotating bolt, with 2 locking lugs
• separated bolt and bolt carrier
• hammer fired

[carmine tide]

The ak was a stg44

[round sentinel]

I’m well aware of how all three guns are designed in depth. It took a lotta era design elements. It wasn’t a M1 garand clone

It did take heavy inspiration from its cam path and locking shoulder geometry tho

That’s about it

[carmine tide]

Wym email

[blazing temple]

Wheres the butta

[round sentinel]

It’s trigger group is a simplified clone of the model 8/ 81, and it also copies all of its controls 1:1 to the police model

Which there were a bunch of during the Russian Civil War

[next quarry]

Maybe AK-46.
But AK-47 is more M1.
From Stg-44 it has curved magazine, cause 7.62x39 has very conical brass.

[round sentinel]

[carmine tide]

They're curved bc the ammo is back heavy

So it sags in the rear

[round sentinel]

They are Latina

[next quarry]

Word "curved" is wrong in this context?
What is proper word for AK's magazine?

[blazing temple]

The mag is curved because of the ammo it contains it doesn't really have anything to do with another gun

[round sentinel]

I’m laughing at all of it

[next quarry]

Yep.
Cause of conical brass.
R1 is 11.35mm and P2 is 10.07mm
It makes extraction easier

Damn.
Wiki has image with alpha-channel.

[thorny flame]

because they're exotic, that's it

[misty cove]

cuz my great grandpa used some probably

also i find some weapons cool

but some are definetly dogshit

[true mist]

simplistic functionality and aesthetics

[obsidian dune]

need this for my CZ evo 3, or the folding brace

[lunar marsh]

No…just no

[livid holly]

@round sentinel I’m sending that meme your way

[livid holly]

Garbage rods unite

Mosin, SKS, and AK47

Although my mosin is Russian, the SKS is Chinese, and the AK is American built

But my mosin is a 1946 production Izhevsk M44 with the folding spiker bayonet

[livid holly]

What rifle is that, a berdan ? Or is a Mauser design

[severe juniper]

1917 Gewehr 98 with EWB marked stock.

[tepid cedar]

Form 1 filed to replace brace with a stock and better optic ordered (Vortex Strike Eagle 1-10 FFP EBR-8 MRAD), though for a $100 way to dip my toes into a mrad christmas tree 1-10 LPVO this one has been surprisingly not too shabby.

[fathom dragon]

What Hilux

If u were to choose one

[tepid cedar]

LN65

instead I've wound up with an AMF22 Nissan Atlas

specifically an LN65 doublecab

[fathom dragon]

Solid front axle bros unite

[edgy kestrel]

Sex

[tepid cedar]

That's badass! My Atlas is IFS, hoping if I get enough overtime this year I can try to import a 4wd solid axle Isuzu Elf or Mitsubishi Canter

My Atlas (needs a locker for when it lifts a wheel lmao)

[scenic jetty]

when you order something from them they give you the inventory number

[carmine tide]

lol no

most of the time they dont even have their order number

like im supposed to materialize it out of thin air

[scenic jetty]

im pretty sure ive always got those when i ordered from them

[carmine tide]

yea we send you the sku

[round sentinel]

[carmine tide]

and the order number

[round sentinel]

(This is not gonna live on the Glock. But it’s funny)

[scenic jetty]

shoot it a couple times with it on

[round sentinel]

It’s going on the new 1911 conversion kit config

[tepid cedar]

LEP pistol light LMAO

I should get a PL350 body and throw my Weltool LH20 wml head on it

[round sentinel]

No balls

This is going on a hand rifle, not a normal pistol

So actually this is gonna make a lotta sense

[tepid cedar]

That makes sense

Hell I'd dig a Coonan .357mag 1911 with that LEP PL350 combo hanging under it

[round sentinel]

Oh yeah that would be cool

This’ll be a 14.9 308 1911 kek

[tepid cedar]

this one of those break action kits that use a 1911 frame?

like a springfield SASS?

[round sentinel]

I have a 308 Springfield sass kit and a 8.6 blk pachmayr

[tepid cedar]

8.6 pachmayr.... oooh that sounds fun. I immediately thought of the fun one could have with a suppressed subsonic from that platform

[round sentinel]

Ayup that’s exactly the point lmao. I need to get a custom integral can made by Liberty when they reopen the custom shop

They are super interested in the build. As was tromix

Since he did a couple pachmayr builds back in the day

[scenic jetty]

hell yea

shoot it then

[sweet bronze]

Thx mate

[fathom dragon]

I love the setup

[fathom dragon]

Work Lux kickin up dust

[edgy kestrel]

Hot

[tired aurora]

Nice mp5

[pure meteor]

Thx

[carmine tide]

the aimpoint pro has some dumb proprietary battery aimpoint doesnt sell right?

[thorny flame]

you can get them

but why bother

[carmine tide]

cause im not spending 900 on a t2

[echo cairn]

Tacswap exist

[carmine tide]

i dont like buying used

idk what the previous owner did

[lunar marsh]

Just get a 40 year old AP 2000. Runs on CR123 lol

[echo cairn]

Alr now yall gang tf outa him for not wanting to buy used

[thorny flame]

you don't need to buy a T2 in 2026

unless we're trying to do some bad cloner autism

which, at that point, why not just find a used aimpoint

[echo cairn]

I got a brand new t2 scalarworks combo for 7 hundo

[carmine tide]

this is going on a sp5

no im not putting an eotech on it

[thorny flame]

just get a cheap sig dot then

they're like less than 100 dollars

[carmine tide]

do i look like i fuck dudes

[thorny flame]

FBI HRT clone corret

btw

agency siggers

[carmine tide]

if i bought a legit hk why the fuck would i put trash on it like a sig product

[thorny flame]

so you'll pay for a swedish red dot

you some kinda gay nord?

[echo cairn]

"I overpaid for a hk but fuck paying retail for an aimpoint"

[carmine tide]

im willing to pay retail for certain aimpoints

[echo cairn]

But not their best dot?

[carmine tide]

isnt the comp m5 the best dot

[echo cairn]

Until you factor in the adjustment knob breaking off

[thorny flame]

topically

you're not using their mount anyway

you just need the dot

[carmine tide]

im not buying anything made by sig

garbage company

[echo cairn]

I'd agree with that but you're kinda fucked tbh

You don't want a t2. You don't want an eotech. But you want something good for a hk

[carmine tide]

the eotech is gonna go on the s5 g36k

i just dont like how eotechs look on mp5s

[echo cairn]

We ain't talking ab the g36

[thorny flame]

just give up and get the tiny holosun

[carmine tide]

is the aimpoint duty rds any good

[thorny flame]

imagine how svelte things could be

[echo cairn]

Just blue as hell

[carmine tide]

i was looking at the AEMS and the 530

[echo cairn]

Or just do a MPS

[thorny flame]

and then you avoid all the giant rails too

tbh

if you're going to put all the shit on an MP5 you might as well just buy a mk18

$2000 in proprietary rails

[carmine tide]

this is for HD 9mm goes through significantly less walls than 5.56 even out of a 10.3

[thorny flame]

not really true though

100% ammo dependent

[echo cairn]

T H I S

[carmine tide]

im gonna be running 147gr

[thorny flame]

okay have you seen like 55gr* TAP?

[echo cairn]

I hate mf's that say 556 is gana get you a manslaughter charge

[carmine tide]

thats not what i said

i said 9mm goes through fewer walls than 5.56

[echo cairn]

Where did I say you did

[thorny flame]

people are shooting military loads in their HD rifles

and not the best JSP you can get your hands on

it's ridiculous

[echo cairn]

But thankfully I live in the middle of nowhere so anyone who breaks in is getting a skull full of 77 otm

[thorny flame]

the SOST adjacent loads are the best

but you can get so many good 5.56 loads it doesn't matter

not barrier blind

[round sentinel]

This thing is so silly

Def sits on par with spicy 500 loads lmao

[blazing temple]

I use a 23mm for home defense

[echo cairn]

The mk18 is a better at being a sub gun in today's world than a legit sub gun

[blazing temple]

Jelly. My friends got sick so no shooting for me

[round sentinel]

😔

[thorny flame]

this has been true for like 40 years

it's actually been true since the 50s but

who's counting

[blazing temple]

What year is it? How old am I?

[echo cairn]

Only time a sub gun is useful is if you need some thing just super tiny that's not a handgun. But at that point a USW works out much better

[carmine tide]

the mk18 wasnt a thing in the 50s

[thorny flame]

it was though

not the mk18

but submachine gun based 5.56 guns have been around since inception

[blazing temple]

The best subgun the hk51b

[thorny flame]

even the original ar10 stuff

[carmine tide]

is that the belt fed .308 with an 8.9

[echo cairn]

Do they make shoulder holsters for em? Asking for a friend

[blazing temple]

Yes

[thorny flame]

that is the 21k

[blazing temple]

I bet you could get someone to make you one

[echo cairn]

"Make me this holster and I'll let you shoot it"

[thorny flame]

obv the later lafrance shit

[blazing temple]

Shit now you got a free holster

[carmine tide]

so back to the original question the pro doesnt require being sent to aimpoint and i can get batteries for it

[thorny flame]

https://cmore.com/Item/BAT_1

yes

you'll probably just have to special order them

at your expense

[blazing temple]

https://www.amazon.com/Duracell-DL1-3N-Lithium-Battery/dp/B008A0CCN0

[carmine tide]

i mean 5 bucks for a backup battery that lasts 30k hours isnt crazy

[thorny flame]

maybe they make silver one

in that form factor

would also be worth investigating

[misty cove]

is the cloud the like area where fragments would go

[thorny flame]

it's just dyed gel for contrast

[lunar marsh]

Yes. I own 2

[carmine tide]

Might get that instead of the pro

[thorny flame]

insane to not consider a 4t

just go look through one

[carmine tide]

Not a fan of sig

#1 sig hater

[thorny flame]

regular ass battery

and they make them here

[carmine tide]

Dont trust the brand

[carmine tide]

Yea thats the issue

[thorny flame]

so we're going to buy 20 year old aimpoints instead?

is that not insane to you?

[blazing temple]

its confix

[carmine tide]

A 20 year old aimpoint is better than a sig optic made 2 years ago

[thorny flame]

is that why everyone got rid of their 20 year old aimpoints for sigs made 2 years ago?

so you think it's a coincidence all these surplus M2s are on the market?

[hardy perch]

I look for a Prismatic one

[carmine tide]

Everyone could use crack for weightloss doesnt mean its a good idea

I do not trust sig usa as far as @blazing temple could throw me

[true mist]

crack might be better for you than ozempic tbf

[thorny flame]

sig USA is not sig electro-optics

but you can spend the cost difference on tacos or something

it's going on an MP5 just get a cheap dot

way overthinking this shit

[carmine tide]

Cheaper too

Name a fat crackhead

[thorny flame]

esp for the size on the mp5, insane to put a huge ass optic on it

[scenic jetty]

People still buy 20 plus guns

[thorny flame]

it's a cool argument but not relevant to the red dot discussion

a salty T1 is not better than whatever new holosun is out

for a long time there was no better option than what aimpoint was selling, but we're past that

[carmine tide]

Id trust holosun over sig

[thorny flame]

this is irrational

[carmine tide]

Not really with sigs QC record

[thorny flame]

the most regular pedestrian guys ever and cag gooners using romeos

[carmine tide]

How's the m7 and 320 working out

How's the mpx

India makes parts for sig

[thorny flame]

sig doing pretty well i'd say

on the whole

[carmine tide]

I don't want pink eye

Gonna unbox a sig product and immediately smell shit

[thorny flame]

this is like, where is that guy who wouldn't buy eotechs

[carmine tide]

No thats stupid

Eotech actually makes good optics

[thorny flame]

you're doing the same thing he is

[carmine tide]

No im not sig is not comparable to eotech

Id compare crimson trace to sig

[thorny flame]

do you acknowledge that eotech has issues?

[carmine tide]

Or swamp fox

[carmine tide]

Yes but not on the level sig has

[thorny flame]

not on the level sig has?

[carmine tide]

Dog you dont see an army general violating the UCMJ to roast eotechs

One did that for the m7

Fuck sig

[thorny flame]

if by roast you mean take them to court

and lose

like L3 did

[carmine tide]

Violating the ucmj, especially for a general is worse than getting sued

[thorny flame]

"roast"

[carmine tide]

Violating the ucmj is a CRIMINAL offense if found guilty

I fucking hate sig dick riders

The old kimber ceo went to sig and immediately made them ass

[thorny flame]

it's not even dick riding, just use your noggin

[carmine tide]

Yea i am thats why I refuse to use sig products

Either gonna go with a pro or a duty

Most likely the duty since its a smaller profile

[thorny flame]

fine you're just wasting $400

[carmine tide]

Im not

Both are better optics than anything sig makes

[thorny flame]

with this level of hand wringing you could buy both

[blazing temple]

I have this strange feeling that the people making sigs optics arent the same people that make the guns but idk

[carmine tide]

You will be mogged, and when we put into Ohio to resupply, God willing you will be mogged some more, and then cortisol spiked on the fanum plantations for the rest of your miserable gyatt

[thorny flame]

you would be correct

[red salmon]

I imagine this ain’t safe to shoot

[modest hatch]

better safe to not to, but if you have a bolt gun you are willing to part with you can always try

[red salmon]

Seems to be only these two rounds

[modest hatch]

how old is the ammo?

[red salmon]

Unsure I have a M1 clip of it that was given to me

So maybe ww2 or post

[round sentinel]

Be a man

Send it

[mint helm]

definitly worth pulling and reloading. I've used worse

[lunar marsh]

It’ll shoot but you need to clean the shit out of your M1 after. That 40s corrosive stuff will eat the shit out of the gas system

It’s WW2 most likely or early ‘50 post WW2 USGI ball was non corrosive and the AP went non-corrosive beginning in ‘53

[round sentinel]

im wacking you with the 308 piustol recoil

[scenic jetty]

lol

[soft jay]

Piss stool?

[misty cove]

yes

[viral hearth]

Chambered in?

[misty cove]

900mm

[livid holly]

I want to get an M1919 browning and just have a mix of tracers and AP if shit ever hits the fan

Won’t even really need a .50 against most civilian or LAVs

[modest hatch]

I have a similar idea excpet it involves surplus 8mm lps and a mg42

[misty cove]

bit heavy aint it?

[modest hatch]

?

[misty cove]

fast firerate

[modest hatch]

and? there is a reason why you burst

[modest hatch]

it wasnt funny

[round sentinel]

thats why its a burst doctrine gun

[misty cove]

ye i know

[round sentinel]

this is peak with the light

[modest hatch]

I really like that

[round sentinel]

Im looking at using a clamp on brake from grizzly for a bit to see how it performs

maybe itll do well

[misty cove]

woohoo make a 300 winmag lever action

trust

[round sentinel]

🏳️‍🌈

[livid holly]

Not really, the M1919 is .30-06

[misty cove]

ok the gun itself aint heavy ngl

[round sentinel]

with tripod it is

[misty cove]

ye

but that aint necesary

[round sentinel]

yes it is

unless you have a shoulder fire config

all 5 of them

🙏

[modest hatch]

the point of the idea is to have a defensive weapon

[round sentinel]

real

also I am so excited to see how quickly I can destroy this frame

tisas is such a pos and I love that my opinion is holding true. The slide is already peening from very little round count

[misty cove]

well mate

i dont think it was made to shoot fucking

what?

i dont even know what you are shootin

[round sentinel]

no thats the normal 45 slide

[misty cove]

oh

lol

[round sentinel]

yeah, its just shit

but yeah I have the 308 upper too which is peak

Im gonna be pissed if I dont break the frame with it

[carmine tide]

@golden marlin I feel dirty

[round sentinel]

BASED

I have the 27 in 1 as well

[carmine tide]

Im removing the old sp5 handguard and it snapped my shitty harbor freight Allen key

[round sentinel]

[carmine tide]

Im hoping the screw wasn't ugga duggad

[carmine tide]

it was

[obsidian dune]

Milwaukee FTW

[carmine tide]

Got it off

[blazing temple]

Til hk made 100 odg usp9 experts and now I really want one

[carmine tide]

Needs to be ral8000

[blazing temple]

No

Green is the correct color

It needs to match the mark

[carmine tide]

Ral8000 is superior to odg

[thorny flame]

the pistols were only sold in ral 7008

which is more FDE

sandy

[carmine tide]

Nah needs to be baby shit colored

[thorny flame]

also an HK grey which is cool and classy

kinda mausgrau

they will never give us the good shit though

[carmine tide]

Oh thats gross

[thorny flame]

because hk hates you

[carmine tide]

If hk doesnt release this they love me

[thorny flame]

well it would match your UMP

etc

[blazing temple]

Mokas has green frames

[thorny flame]

that USC/SL8 grey

[blazing temple]

Somebody stop me

[thorny flame]

can you find a tactical

still waiting to see someone put an S98 on one

[carmine tide]

Buy one

[blazing temple]

They're just stripped usp9 frames

[carmine tide]

Treat yourself

You deserve it

[blazing temple]

From the run of regular usps

And if you are getting a tactical get a 45 and if you are getting a tac45 get a mark

[carmine tide]

There's a company making 417 lowers i might get one

[carmine tide]

Next usp is gonna be an expert 9

[blazing temple]

Yeah I'm thinking I sneed one

[carmine tide]

You do

Match trigger as standard

[blazing temple]

But I also still need to get the mark slide cut

But before I do anything else I need to go to work lmao or I wont be able to buy nothin

[carmine tide]

I might skip the mr556 and go straight to a 762

Cause that S5 g36k is 12.5 (the best short length)

Why is it upside down

[round sentinel]

the peak chassis

[scenic jetty]

You can flip the image

[blazing temple]

Apparently b&t usa is imploding?

I went adventuring in the hkpro forums and apparently b&t ag has cut ties and may be suing them

[thorny flame]

same guy that was involved with the larry vickers thing

they're going to lose

[blazing temple]

Dam

[thorny flame]

the tl;dr is they gave percent ownership to a guy who was explicitly legally prohibited from having anything to do with the business

who opened a giant line of credit, ordered a bunch of shit

and hasn't paid B&T switzerland

everyone involved in this should be redacted

[blazing temple]

Yeah from my short inquisition that was about what I got

Although I didn't know he was prohibited from having anything to do with them I just thought he was given control outside of the proper procedures

[thorny flame]

james reeves posted the full legal pdf

https://x.com/jjreeves/status/2034730869009584256?s=20

[carmine tide]

actually i think the story has a dyke in it

[blazing temple]

😮

[willow elm]

what do i do for the learn how to escape tarkov

[ivory violet]

You gotta learn how to escape tarkov

[scenic jetty]

What did he do

[thorny flame]

the LE credential loophole to bring in guns for him and his buddies

that you cannot normally import

(convicted)

[carmine tide]

@blazing temple ral8000 sp7

[timid belfry]

ral8000 is so ugly on mp5 style guns

i like the FDE they put on their 416s and such

the cabelas/bass pro mr556 and mr762 is v hot

[carmine tide]

nah the new civ mp7

[blazing temple]

I like green

[pliant veldt]

Would this be considered meta? Joking but just put this bad bitch together

[timid belfry]

the receivers are green!

[blazing temple]

I am green

[round sentinel]

just like whats in your pants

😌

you should get that checked out

[timid belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-dog-meme-funny-gif-22705479

[mossy surge]

Anyone messed around with forced / assisted resets here?

[scenic jetty]

I see

[blazing glacier]

Hehehhehehe scavmaxxing

[misty cove]

i bought

[carmine tide]

I swear to god the farther you get away from the only time zone that matters the more smooth brained you get why the fuck am I reading an email to a grown ass man

[misty cove]

time zone that matters aka +1 hour

[round sentinel]

most the regulars

kek

[carmine tide]

Sp5 is in route to the gunsmith he said it would take about a week and a half to get back

[round sentinel]

what are you doing to it lmao

[fallen epoch]

Except mines cooler because it’s Russian

[blazing glacier]

That easy to tell? lol

[fallen epoch]

Poser!!!

[fallen epoch]

Chinese have the triangular bayonets and lighter wood tones

[misty cove]

why is it lighter

[blazing glacier]

I know, I know, I’m just kidding around

[misty cove]

like

[fallen epoch]

Oh lmao I’m dense my bad

[misty cove]

cheaper wood

or?

[fallen epoch]

Autism

[fallen epoch]

Shade I meant

[blazing glacier]

The wood and stains used are different because they had different trees and other materials

[misty cove]

ye

[fallen epoch]

The shade of the wood is lighter on the Chinese

[fallen epoch]

Yes

[misty cove]

makes sense

[carmine tide]

barrel cut and rethread

[fallen epoch]

Smart feller

[misty cove]

the soviets used what? birch or what was it

[carmine tide]

and the tri lug put back on

[misty cove]

fart smeller

[fallen epoch]

Whatever wood they have no clue

Pine I assume

[round sentinel]

oh yeah, thatll be nice

[fallen epoch]

It’s also lacquer coated

And mine has a VDV sling

[blazing glacier]

Mines chew wood

Chu

[fallen epoch]

Or a sling with VDV markings

On the inside

I believe

[blazing glacier]

Fuckin text to type

[misty cove]

hijack ur nearest airport

[fallen epoch]

I’ll make sure i get dropped into the ocean

And have no air support

[misty cove]

nona s is goated

120mm mortar with heat 🔥

[round sentinel]

get killed mid airdrop at your nearest airport*

[misty cove]

would you rather

[fallen epoch]

nine millemeetah

[carmine tide]

getting it sent to S&H arms apparently the dude was the original sd and auto sear guy in the 80s

[misty cove]

6b3 but you sink in water

[blazing glacier]

I still think this is my favorite pistol

[misty cove]

or no vest but you float

(vdv)

[round sentinel]

you mean flemmings?

[fallen epoch]

Pocket puncher

[carmine tide]

curtis higgins

[blazing glacier]

I love it, it’s a little .25 auto

[round sentinel]

Flemmings was the conversion guy back in the day

[fallen epoch]

I want one of those derringers chambered in some insane caliber

[round sentinel]

I bet this one you are workin with like you said, is the SD converter

[carmine tide]

based in oklahoma

[round sentinel]

but nobody was near relevant for sear kits as flemmings

[carmine tide]

he has an interview with small arms reviews

[fallen epoch]

3 people live in Oklahoma

[round sentinel]

that goes for like

[blazing glacier]

I am one of those three

[round sentinel]

the entire flyover part of the country

[fallen epoch]

Don’t forget Arkansas

If I remember 7 people live there

[misty cove]

and 5 trilion cos

[round sentinel]

more populated than my home state or last one I really lived in

kek

[misty cove]

cows

[carmine tide]

hes highly recommended on hkpro

[round sentinel]

peak

itll take a year then

[blazing glacier]

Yes, best state ever

[round sentinel]

❌

[fallen epoch]

Divide my cheeks!

[blazing glacier]

Sweeeet

[carmine tide]

nah usual turn around time they said is a week

[fallen epoch]

Og Bakelite mag too

Dated 73

[round sentinel]

thats good least

[carmine tide]

one guy got what i got done in 2 days

[round sentinel]

a lot of praised builders take a ton of time

My pachmayr took a fuckin year cause specialty wildcat guy 😭

[carmine tide]

yea thats a little different from a barrel cut tho

[round sentinel]

barrel and bolt work yeah

on a special action

😭

[carmine tide]

im not too worried tho i have plenty of guns to shoot in the meantime

[round sentinel]

def

[carmine tide]

next project is either a p30l, usp expert 9 or a shadow strategic 417 lower

[fallen epoch]

The lion modifies his guns in his garage with minimal tools

[round sentinel]

gay, based, and gay

just do the usp

P30s are dogshit

[fallen epoch]

Lmao my old man’s converted his .40 S&W, USP into 357. sig

[carmine tide]

i built my first ar with a pair of pliers, a 40 year old mallet and a block of wood

[fallen epoch]

Honestly not a bad switch

[carmine tide]

[round sentinel]

"SW USP"

[fallen epoch]

40

Oh my god

I need coffee

.40 not 45

[round sentinel]

yeah it was a simple barrel swap back when RWA? made the sig barrels

Cant remember who it was again

[fallen epoch]

Ok it’s time to go embarrass myself somewhere else

[blazing glacier]

Anyone know a good spot for .43 Dutch?

[tropic zodiac]

wtf is a .43 dutch

https://open.spotify.com/track/2CGDxXXYbkPOyRXHzQbqkT?si=8938408e55f341b9

[fallen epoch]

Niche caliber

[fallen epoch]

Dude that round is older than some countries 😭

[tropic zodiac]

boss there is a problem

[fallen epoch]

You aren’t finding that ANYWHERE

[tropic zodiac]

maybe we can find some somewhere

[fallen epoch]

Just load your own atp

This guy wants to fight Zulus or something

[blazing glacier]

I have been, 42 grains of FFg

[carmine tide]

turkey makes archaic ammo, but i wouldnt trust anything from that country other than laxatives

[blazing glacier]

Just need new brass