irl-weapons

[thorny flame]

i think it's cool that it is getting better

[misty cove]

for the price of course

[thin cypress]

Digital night vision is shit

[thorny flame]

there's a video, maybe you haven't seen it

it's got to be 10-15 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTgG2Ft4xQ

[misty cove]

let me guess in the dark the best one can see literaly nothing ?

[iron peak]

digital cameras with IR spotlights on your head

[thorny flame]

this was taken at night

no

[iron peak]

abysmal dog shit

[thorny flame]

have a look

[thin cypress]

You can get quads nowadays for 11k anyway

[misty cove]

okay

[thin cypress]

Fucking high beam headlight to anyone using analog

[misty cove]

wow

[thorny flame]

https://youtu.be/HPvbI331QlI

a second one

again, these are a decade old

[iron peak]

i did a group night hike with some guys on facebook and one brought digital "night vision" and kept flagging everyone

he was banned from future hikes

[thorny flame]

what they put on drones and shit etc

[misty cove]

is it ultra expensive

[thorny flame]

yes obviously

[misty cove]

or like why isnt it used in digis now?

yeah thats what i thought ngl

[thorny flame]

eventually it will become accessible

[misty cove]

digital is geting beter with no ir i think

[thin cypress]

Sounds about right

[thorny flame]

well just think about what your camera phone can do now

vs 10 years ago

[thin cypress]

Best argument for digital is do you trust your life to a refresh rate??

[misty cove]

idk mine is shit

cuz i dont realy care about the camera

[misty cove]

well no??? am i going to war lmao?

[thorny flame]

this is the same problem with the cheap thermals

[thin cypress]

Statistically speaking you’re closer to it than anyone else 😂

[misty cove]

well yeah

[thin cypress]

Yep

[thorny flame]

even the demo videos of the HISS

which is like house money

[thin cypress]

My L3 Cratos refresh rate still has a shutter and that’s by no means a cheap thermal

[thorny flame]

https://youtu.be/WlPYRJ0zhWo

don't need tracers you can just watch the bullet

comical money though

that's like the GDP of poland on a rifle

[misty cove]

how much for one?

[thin cypress]

94k

[thorny flame]

over that

new version, 150

[thin cypress]

Gov pricing 94k*

[misty cove]

150k

for one guy?

[thorny flame]

you want to look at stuff real far away in the dark or not

[misty cove]

thats not my point but like

dam

[thin cypress]

I mean thermals can do day or night they are just better at night

[iron peak]

love my BAE IR-L

and its old lol

[round sentinel]

is the pole going on about DNVGs again

[thin cypress]

Yeah

[round sentinel]

bruh

[iron peak]

sadly

[thorny flame]

can you not get like china tubes in poland

surely there is a market there for that kind of shit

[round sentinel]

Ok so I can explain why

[misty cove]

?

[thorny flame]

if every chinese/japanese teenager is dressed up like seal team 6

[round sentinel]

polish economy is fucked compared to the west, they cannot afford to get even cheap analog

[thin cypress]

Photonis garbage probably

[iron peak]

Poortonis*

[misty cove]

its not that bad but brotato i am not wiling to ever drop that much money on something that i dont know if it will be any use to me

🥀

[round sentinel]

3-4k tube here, is maybe 5-6k there, when they make maybe a quarter of our income

[thorny flame]

i'm pretty sure they're doing better than canada?

[round sentinel]

fuck no

[misty cove]

doesnt canada have insane taxes

[round sentinel]

they also have a comparable currency to USD and make similar figures to us

it sorta evens out

[thorny flame]

the zloty?

i only remember because of the funny name

[round sentinel]

no, canada

[thin cypress]

Nah them guys broke man

[misty cove]

why does steam use the 2022 conversion for games bro

its literaly at the highest the dollar has been for the złoty

[round sentinel]

Złoty is weak af compared to USD, and thats not even taking into account everything else

[misty cove]

its not that weak

[thin cypress]

Because corporate greed

[round sentinel]

thats why DNVGs are popular in similar countries

[round sentinel]

in western standards it is

overall, yeah its not

[misty cove]

1 usd=3.5 złoty

[thorny flame]

right but what about among autistic mil people @round sentinel

[misty cove]

is sweden or norway western

?

[thorny flame]

surely someone in that place has some photonis tubes

[thin cypress]

Now the real divide is pay lol

[round sentinel]

the issue is that they make like 1/4 of our income, maybe

[thorny flame]

kurwa

[misty cove]

the minimum wage is like the exact same

lol

[iron peak]

richest Pole

[misty cove]

atleast federal

[thin cypress]

Average pay for me is 110k take away

[round sentinel]

on top of a weak currency and poor mil tism market

guns are extremely expensive there compared to us

for the most part

[misty cove]

i guess it depends which aswell

[round sentinel]

it does

[misty cove]

like wbp is same i think

but its like the main AK producer

(comercial)

[round sentinel]

minimum wage =/= average

[misty cove]

yup

[thin cypress]

If similar why talk about DNVG

[misty cove]

because the federal minimum wage is sameish

[round sentinel]

minimum wage is essentially just a high school job here, nobody lives on it like yall do there

[thorny flame]

like idk what is an average salary in poland

[misty cove]

but they still cost more lol

[misty cove]

bro

😭

[round sentinel]

even then, most minimum wage jobs here are about 150-200% that

[iron peak]

holy shit lmao

photonis are considered the bottom of the barrel for tubes here

[misty cove]

you also have to factor in some things are cheaper then in usa

[thin cypress]

It’s Chinese crap that’s why

[round sentinel]

about 2k a month

[iron peak]

my L3's were the same price

[misty cove]

well how muhc is one tube?

[thorny flame]

yeah but that's because everyone is poor

[misty cove]

or can u not

[iron peak]

factual

[round sentinel]

realistically less

[round sentinel]

you ready for this

[thin cypress]

Bro that’s such a large range lol

[round sentinel]

msot daily things are the same price here, if not cheaper

gas, food, essentials, etc

[misty cove]

mayhaps 🥀

[round sentinel]

yall are in a weird spot rn

[misty cove]

why is diesel so expensive

[round sentinel]

where you have the economy of the east with the costs of the west

[misty cove]

😭

[round sentinel]

its not here

[misty cove]

how much per liter

[thorny flame]

yeah this is the canadian healthcare cope

[round sentinel]

liter

the fuck is that

[blazing temple]

The thing we measure our dew in

[misty cove]

ah yes hong kong aka the country where they literaly sell like 2 square meter ''living spaces'' or something like that

[round sentinel]

its like 50 cents maybe

depending where

it gets to be a lot more in some places

[thorny flame]

right but it's also chinese switzerland

[iron peak]

made up ass unit of measurement

[round sentinel]

what lol

[thorny flame]

"at least we have free healthcare"

[thin cypress]

Some stupid form of measurement

[thorny flame]

type shit when you post bucees salaries

[misty cove]

idk bro i think switzerland doesnt have some stupid construction laws just to raise prices

[thorny flame]

that are more than like, the most senior position of anything in canada

[round sentinel]

outta their taxes yeah

[thin cypress]

If it ain’t measured in blue whales I don’t want it

[round sentinel]

honestly we also have the worst of both worlds with healthcare tho

Poland has it really good

[thorny flame]

you need to immigrate to texas oblast comrade

[round sentinel]

[misty cove]

if i go to texas are the globalists gona go to hell

[misty cove]

i was quite sick once so i was in hospital

[thin cypress]

Just get the card of green color and then go Texas

[misty cove]

and i think i got some stomach ilness while there

and i haven o lcue whether it was from the food or not

🥀

[round sentinel]

yeah no like legit yalls healthcare is very solid. where you do have a mix of free healthcare + private

[misty cove]

nah too hot ngl

[round sentinel]

prices are super cheap and competetive

[thin cypress]

Bro says Texas is too hot 😂

[round sentinel]

it is

texas is dogshit

[thin cypress]

I raise you Vegas desert

[round sentinel]

Ive spent my time in Mojave hood so, Im well aware how hot the US can get

[misty cove]

idk man i already dont like 30smth celsius air

[thin cypress]

I raise you Philippines 💀

[round sentinel]

its cooler

just more humid

so, just as dogshit

[thin cypress]

When I was in Manila is was not cooler 💀

[round sentinel]

compared to death cali, it is

by a few degrees

[misty cove]

how hot does texas usualy get

like the air during summer

[round sentinel]

110's maybe

[thin cypress]

Depends bro that shits bigger than your country

[round sentinel]

yeah

its pretty comparable to NW italy and NE Spain

for most the state

[misty cove]

yuh

[thin cypress]

I’m from east coast so I like humidity I hate dry ass desert

[round sentinel]

I just dont do heat

[thin cypress]

Easier to layer when it’s cold if it’s hot best you got is naked 💀

[round sentinel]

yeah lmao

[misty cove]

i fucking hate working in the cold

[round sentinel]

which is illegal 😔

[round sentinel]

weh weh its -2c

[misty cove]

i dress up too thick and then im all sweaty

[round sentinel]

bro thats warm

[thin cypress]

Not on your own property 😎

[misty cove]

ok bro but it was -20 🔥

[round sentinel]

ok so its still warm

[misty cove]

nuh uh

[round sentinel]

try -60's C

I dont mind it tbh

[misty cove]

thats siberia

[round sentinel]

better than 100s

[round sentinel]

yeah kek

[thorny flame]

the forecast today is 93

[round sentinel]

Siberia, part of japan, Northern Mainland US and Alaska/ Canada

thats about all for inhabited places

[thin cypress]

Hokkaido is dope

[round sentinel]

never been to Japan for tourism reasons

need to still

Korea is a ton of fun

[thin cypress]

Lived there 4 years

[round sentinel]

we will end up going at some point

[thin cypress]

It’s a fun time Tokyo isn’t exactly cheap though

[misty cove]

i would never wnat to live in smth like japan or korea

[round sentinel]

I lived in korea for a bit, it was cool

wouldnt wanna stay there

[misty cove]

eh

how are both koreas dystopias

[thin cypress]

Food in Japan is about all I miss

[misty cove]

one is a 1984 type hell the second cyberpunk

[round sentinel]

SKO isnt lmao

Its very western

[misty cove]

very urbanized insane work culture and corporations control ALOT

no?

that is sorta a dystopia

[round sentinel]

thats... not what that means lmao

not inherently at least

[misty cove]

ok right

then what would you call south korea

[round sentinel]

just heavily urbanized and capitalistic

their culture just promotes such heavy work values, which is super gay

we arent much better tho

[misty cove]

heavy urbanization sucks

[round sentinel]

real

[misty cove]

i wish i could get like a big property

[thin cypress]

Texas

[misty cove]

so like 50 meters wide and very long

[round sentinel]

property
europe

[misty cove]

not a desert

and im not moving to usa

[thin cypress]

Bro thinks Texas is all desert lol

[round sentinel]

Montana or the Dakotas are both very cheap

[misty cove]

and basicaly make a big gród on it

[round sentinel]

way cheaper than Texas

Alaska is a little pricier

[thin cypress]

So small?

[misty cove]

not that small

[round sentinel]

thats very small

lmao

[misty cove]

ehh

[thin cypress]

Lmao

[round sentinel]

Euro land prices and market is so fucked tho

[thin cypress]

Me with 2 Acres on a lakefront 😂

[round sentinel]

even in pricey states, thats a few k

[round sentinel]

peak

[misty cove]

land in the middle of nowhere probably isnt that expensive

but yk

[round sentinel]

I can get an entire mountainside for the price of a house back home

so

[thin cypress]

It’s expensive in other ways

[round sentinel]

yeah

[misty cove]

anyways i wana make like a gród

like wooden palisades n shit maybe

or a brick castle type

[thin cypress]

In 50 meters?…

[round sentinel]

[misty cove]

castles are not that big

atleast smallish ones

[thin cypress]

I’ve never seen a 150 foot castle

[round sentinel]

actually he is right about that

the massive castle stuff, is media portrayal

you really could have one that 'small'

[thin cypress]

So bro is talking about a keep

[round sentinel]

still a castle lmao

[misty cove]

sorta like a nobles castle

yknow

[round sentinel]

yeah

[misty cove]

not that big, but still a fucken castle

[round sentinel]

yee

[thin cypress]

Castle with no room for moat

[round sentinel]

[misty cove]

why a moat

just dig a ditch still a moat

[thin cypress]

Why not a moat

[misty cove]

cuz it will start to stink i think

[thin cypress]

You’d be surprised

Throw fish in it and it’s good

[misty cove]

if the water doesnt move theres not gona beo xygen in it

so they jus die

[thorny flame]

still good exchange rates rn tho

[thin cypress]

Except for their prices are similar but they make about 66% of what we do

[thorny flame]

yeah but have you seen what a 1LDK costs there

obviously in the burbs or something

[misty cove]

or smth like a gród

more moderny looking example

[blazing temple]

If I win the lottery there will be signs

Such as me building something like Talmberg keep

[misty cove]

borzek the goat

[misty cove]

ngl i like suchdol

its kinda simple

oh yeah i remembered

@round sentinel americans gota pay for college

[round sentinel]

yeah thats something I wont defend

our education system is hard fucked

[misty cove]

some guy here

that ran for president

wants to make i think hospitals and college paid

like bro go fuck yourself oh my ord

lord

also some people herea re weird ngl

i could say smth like '' i dont liek ukraine'' and some dumbass woudl imediatly say that i love russia etc

[round sentinel]

honestly the older I get the more I see the need for subsidizing healthcare and education. Not fully, but enough to actually make it competitive and not fucked thru and thru cause of corporate greed

[misty cove]

hehe 500 dolars for insulin

like 3000% profit margin

[round sentinel]

yeah american healthcare and education is massively fucked lmao

[misty cove]

also about the nvg thing earlier

[round sentinel]

I dont care about needing to pay a bit for insurance and minor medications. But when you get slapped with multi hundred K bills for necessary care, its a bit insane lmao. There needs to be a balance between the two form

[misty cove]

doesnt america ban exports of ALL gen 3s

?

[round sentinel]

which is literally what yall do

[round sentinel]

yesnt, its hard regulated cause of ITAR, but not fully impossible either

[misty cove]

also ur insurance just saying no

[thorny flame]

yeah but this is only because the govt is involved

see how asia does it, better model

subsidies fuck up prices because there's no market force

you can get an mri in china or japan for like 50 bucks

[round sentinel]

yeah its very common

[thorny flame]

same day

outpatient

[round sentinel]

yeah, which is realistically how it should be lmao

[thin cypress]

So khameni is dead what now 🧐

[thorny flame]

the gooning starts

and strategic air finishes the rest of them off

[thin cypress]

I wanna see the Iranian people go back to how it was in the 70’s when they looked prosperous and happy

[thorny flame]

iran will be fine, they're smart and industrious

[misty cove]

persia

[thorny flame]

just a question of whether or not israel can move down the target set

and it seems like they can

[misty cove]

oh my days

[misty cove]

big yahu probably gona say smth how theyre developing the nukes in secret

[thin cypress]

Wack this guys peener

[thorny flame]

man on the crispy thermal sensor note

country is a machine that turns my taxpayer dollars into very expensive germanium lenses

[placid basin]

Please excuse the no stock

Waiting on my form 1

[thorny flame]

very cool baby

[iron peak]

he done did it!

[placid basin]

guy didnt look happy about the trade but idc new spear!!!1

already bought the buffer tube folder and the moe sl, also bought an SBA3 incase the form 1 doesnt get approved anytime soon

[iron peak]

Hahaha thats definitely a straight across trade, you did again

You did good**

[glacial delta]

Got a Glock 19

[golden marlin]

Wow

You finally actually bought something good

Holy shit

[ocean pike]

Ew sig

[placid basin]

my bad lemme go return it

[ocean pike]

I’ll hold on to it for you

[placid basin]

❤️

bought some stuff for it already, i dont think gonna go all brown/fde like u

gonna do a good mix of brown and black

[ocean pike]

I’d probably have done it different if I didn’t have the IR version

Barely any black

[placid basin]

literally the first thing my local FFL asked me when i told him i got it was, "is it the Anodized brown or the baby shit brown?"

[unique fjord]

Bro get a yeet cannon

[thorny flame]

they look good in whatever color

50 shades of FDE

[ocean pike]

Oh I agree

[thorny flame]

though i guess they sold some in multicam

those are kinda ugly

too tryhard

[summer plover]

i curse you with low left

[summer plover]

could always be worse

[placid basin]

never been a fan of RAL 8000, but i know like 2 people on earth actually do

[summer plover]

HK makes the sexiest guns alive and then absolutely fucks it at the last step

[placid basin]

to each their own

one day will own a MR762A4

will def be in black and not RAL 8000

[placid basin]

like 2 of my friends actually want that thing 😭

[placid basin]

to their credit tho they said they're gonna get tommybuilt to convert it back to a regular UMP

[summer plover]

i want one thats been converted to an actual ump

[summer plover]

bad news for them, TB sold his assets to a new company who ceased all production and warranty on old TB products

[thorny flame]

it's a good color

[placid basin]

well good thing they dont own any USCs atm

[summer plover]

i dont wanna spend 3k on an mp5 just to be reminded of the consequences of a 2am taco bell run every time i looked at it

thats not unreasonable. hammer price will probably be 1k

proprietary 10 round mags on a .45 pcc is actually a mortal sin though, single stack 1911s sit at 8 lmao

[placid basin]

pretty sure a USP holds more ammo then that

and its from the same company

[summer plover]

compacts are 10, full size is 12

im mentally screwy so i want a usp40

either that or a cz75 in 40

[ocean pike]

Same but different

[summer plover]

ngl unless you live in arizona or NM or some other desert state FDE in the US is pretty nonsensical

[thorny flame]

it's a better base color regardless

black is awful

[ocean pike]

Anything is better than black

[summer plover]

OD Green is the king

undefeated since 1861

[proven badger]

Wym by that

[ocean pike]

I said what I said

[lone moss]

Real lmao

[golden marlin]

Took him how long to buy a single good gun?

We've been pushing him for years

And he did nothing but fight us on it

[lone moss]

Lmfaooo fr though

Bullying does work

[golden marlin]

We need to do more clearly

It's obviously working

[lone moss]

Fs, did you see my 40 came in?

[mossy surge]

Ah yes the civil war, known far and wide as one of the earliest wars

1861 man you can hardly even imagine that far back

[golden marlin]

Really? Based

[golden marlin]

Niceee

Now let me barrow it

[mossy surge]

Oh my god he bought an AR platform??? finally he got something nice, the AK of the modern age.

[golden marlin]

I need to go take over a Burger King

I literally bought a set of this as it hit the store

And it sold out within like 5 minutes

When it arrives I'm going to have to take a picture of my AR on the UCP woobie and the ak on this so we have 2 different backgrounds

[lone moss]

Lmao

And dope I should have tried to get one but I was busy when they dropped

[golden marlin]

Literally like most people I know missed out

But they will do a second batch

[terse pivot]

To be fair since a couple of years you can only own 10rd rifle mags in germany anyway. Also pistol mags that fit in a rilfe count as well, and pistol mags are capped at 20. So if were to buy a pcc that takes glock mags I'd go to prison since my 17 round glock magazines would then be counted as rifle magazines

Also I had to destroy two sets of perfectly fine magazines. When I bought my ar-15, you could use whatever magazine you want outside of competitons. Then they banned that, so I limited my 30s to 10. Then they disqualified anything over 20 from practice use as well. So I got a bunch of 20s. Then they made owning magazine bodys over 10 illegal so I had to destroy them all and buy shitty 10rd magazines

[lone moss]

FS

[golden marlin]

Hopefully this next batch doesn't get confiscated by the uzbekistani customs

Because somehow the first batch landed on a truck with drugs

[lone moss]

Real I saw that shit lol

[golden marlin]

Just wild

[lone moss]

Way she goes

[ivory violet]

they saw it and were like lets make this truck a drug truck

[proven badger]

That kind of ads to the lore and vibes of the suit

Makes it feel more authentic

[golden marlin]

they made a really good video on it yesterday

[scenic jetty]

oh shit nice

[golden marlin]

very excited

[unique fjord]

Make sure to get your medal

[golden marlin]

[leaden mist]

Not an mxlr but close enough

[tight nimbus]

what cal

[leaden mist]

45/70

[tight nimbus]

noice

going to put a scope on it?

[leaden mist]

Yeah

My gf got it for me so i have alot more money to spend

So im prob gonna buy some rpp furniture

[tight nimbus]

my gf does not buy me guns i might have done it wrong

[leaden mist]

And then a scope with good eye relief

Gonna use it as a scout rifle

[tight nimbus]

soudn fun

what scope?

[leaden mist]

Dont setttle for less king

[leaden mist]

Not sure yet

[tight nimbus]

na she lets my buy guns so its ok

[leaden mist]

I wanna go to a gun store to see the optic

And what eye relief is like on my gun

[tight nimbus]

most scopes should be fine, i am a big fan of luepold

[leaden mist]

I saw

I want a silvwr one

Like in jurassic world

[tight nimbus]

nice

[timid belfry]

[oak quest]

Thats a really nice 1895 you have

Please do not put a scope on it

[warm brook]

Is that rated for T-Rex

[round sentinel]

put a scope on it, dont be a bitch

[blazing temple]

It has a rail on the top for a reason

[round sentinel]

🙏

[thin cypress]

And a suppressor

[hushed salmon]

I bet you 100 shekels it doesn't fit

If it's from that Russian website that I forget the name of, their sizing is whack

[golden marlin]

It's a us company

[hushed salmon]

Good

[golden marlin]

Kommando store is pretty strict on their products manufacturing

[hushed salmon]

I'll meet you at Burger town

[golden marlin]

But they had to order 2 batches for these

The first batch got confiscated by uzbekistani customs

[hushed salmon]

RAMIREZ

[golden marlin]

Dude I will get burger king when I get it

I hate Burger King

[hushed salmon]

Chef's hat

[hushed salmon]

If you ever come to Canada. Try all the largest fast food chains. For whatever reason they're all way better in Canada.

A&W especially

[blazing temple]

U staying safe cannoli

[golden marlin]

Would be nice to try

Cause I've definitely heard fast food can be better in other countries

I guess one of the only places I've heard to not get fast food from is Australia

[golden marlin]

GIVE

I could use that right now

I'm making poutine tonight

[hot locust]

Rizznefet

[hushed salmon]

[hushed salmon]

Safe and sound

[blazing temple]

Good shit

[oak quest]

Ive heard mcdonalds is genuinely good there

like among fast food its considered a good spot

[misty cove]

mcdonalds is meh all around

the good things are the shakes and the chicken stuff

but its a bit expensive for how little u get

[fathom dragon]

Depends where you go

McDonald’s in the city is only good after a night out on the piss but going there for a feed is shit because it’s shit food.

Get a meat pie and a ice coffee

[lethal linden]

Hate me all you want.
Brand new pistol and sight, but, it smelled like camp fire.
Almost ran it through the dishwasher

Treat my guns like trash no matter which or what it is.
Don't care.
Bashed that one against the ground a few times with only 5 rounds put through it.

[thin cypress]

Well it’s a SAR9 so I’d expect you to have bashed it in the ground after only a few rounds

[lethal linden]

Yep

Solid handgun though. Can't beat it for the price

[golden marlin]

lmao

no

[lethal linden]

(When it's on sale) lol

[golden marlin]

no like just sar in general is just trashy

[lethal linden]

Find me a better handgun for $200

[golden marlin]

A Glock on sale or when someone's desperate for money

[lethal linden]

New for new. Not used

Also, blocks don't go on sale for $200

Glocks*

[golden marlin]

I literally got my Glock 21 for 300

And it was pretty much new

[lethal linden]

Yep. That's not $200

[golden marlin]

Like 300 is probably the cheapest I'll get a good pistol for

Anything less and it's generally not good

Turkish guns are not good

Yes I understand sar has a us side and it's still bad

[lethal linden]

Sar9 passed our NATO testing and 150k round tests.
Also used by another military.
They aren't bad handguns and that's just the truth lol

[golden marlin]

Literally find me where

Lmao

[lethal linden]

Lemme go get the links

[golden marlin]

Cause literally sar9s have taken people's eyes out plenty of times

And "militaries"

Generally being third world countries

Which don't really matter

[lethal linden]

Oh. It's also used by a Texas police station

[golden marlin]

Again doesn't mean much

Especially police departments

Cause many out there lack proper funding

You still have some departments with Ford crown vics

Even then police barely use their shit

[thin cypress]

I'd rather buy a yeet cannon

[thin cypress]

Even poor ass phillipines uses Glock lol

[lethal linden]

Idk i can't find the document, but nato did a test with a few different countries guns and the sar9 (not sure which gen) beat every other gun they tested.
Including but not limited to, Austria aswell

[golden marlin]

Fuckin real

[golden marlin]

At this point it sounds like you're just making this stuff up

[lethal linden]

Then look it up yourself 🤷‍♂️

Information on it is literally everywhere lol

[golden marlin]

You were the one is supposed to prove it

[thin cypress]

i've not ever once witnessed 1 SAR go past a magazine because the people that buy them also buy olight

[golden marlin]

If it's everywhere, how come you couldn't find it

[golden marlin]

Literally remember that famous photo of a guy in the hospital with the striker assembly in his eye

[lethal linden]

I couldn't find the .gov doc, but the information about it is literally everywhere

[golden marlin]

And it was found to be a sar9

[thin cypress]

Thats good its part of the design feature to rid the world of those who buy them like the 320

[golden marlin]

Because it doesn't exist

Instead, it was probably a marketing gimmick that was said by sar

Then got spread around

You see it all the time with cheap manufacturers

Century arms literally does the same thing

[thin cypress]

i'd rather shoot a 3D printed anything at 15% infil than a SAR 9

[lethal linden]

Who knows 🤷‍♂️ either way, if you haven't shot one yourself, then you don't know how they shoot and feel lol.
I'm not saying they're fantastic, I'm just saying for $200 on a brand new handgun, you can't beat the reliability and comfort of it.

[thin cypress]

hi point enters chat

[golden marlin]

Dude I don't have to shoot it to know it's a garbage gun

[blazing temple]

15%

Hory shiet

[thin cypress]

this guy knows ball

[blazing temple]

I don't even think I would print a model at 15%

20% probably

[golden marlin]

Like if we apply the same standards to other things, do I need to drink poison to know it's not good for you

Do I need to eat at Burger King to know it's trash

[thin cypress]

Make your dedicated poison drinker do it like kings did

[lethal linden]

Still reliably functions better than anything else at the price point 🤷‍♂️ and more comfortable to shoot than the glocks I've shot.
More comfortable, well balanced, grip is great, can't beat it for being a trashy beat-to-piss handgun

[thin cypress]

MRW a flashlight cost more than the gun

[misty cove]

p83 ❤️

[golden marlin]

All because something "functions" doesn't mean it's good

[thin cypress]

escorts enter chat

[golden marlin]

sir im telling you my saturday night special is good

[thin cypress]

It's a presumed human from turkey

[thorny flame]

i am sure it's a usable gun at $180 but why do i need the cheapest possible turkish handgun

[golden marlin]

the only good turkey is on thanksgiving

[thorny flame]

i'm not outfitting the turkish army or whatever

i'm sure it does fine for that

[golden marlin]

Just buy police surplus

[thin cypress]

Glonk supremacy

[golden marlin]

Literally

[thin cypress]

I need the hushpuppy

[golden marlin]

My buddy just got the 43x version

Since another company makes them

[thin cypress]

Peanut butter hushpuppy calls to me so I too can be like luigi

[misty cove]

Yknow stocking up on guns like akms or sks's to Arm a militia would be funny

[golden marlin]

nah

[misty cove]

Why

[golden marlin]

cause i dont want to give shit to people who dont know what they are doing and most militias are poor people circle jerking

like the type of people to go buy a sar9 and shill it

[thin cypress]

Militia weirdos got the "just as good" psa special they will be fine

[misty cove]

Tuekshit

Turk

[golden marlin]

real

[misty cove]

Id rsther use a gun made by a partisan then a turk one

[thin cypress]

Kind of want to get a Gen 6 once I move

[golden marlin]

idk im willing to wait

ive had my 17 for a long time

i love my gen 5

but i wouldnt mind trying a gen 6

[thorny flame]

militia weirdos need a job

[misty cove]

How much is the cheapest psa ak

[golden marlin]

I've seen them get to like 600

You could get a wasr 10 for that on sale

And it will last longer

[misty cove]

Seriously?

[golden marlin]

Yeah

[misty cove]

How arę they in biznes bro

[true mist]

yeah but then you have to own a PSA AK

[golden marlin]

Cause they sell people on the line of life time warranty

And we are out to arm the people

And cheapest aks are the loosest fitting shittiest ones they got

Like sure their entire line up is dog shit

But like

Their cheapest you know it's cheap

[misty cove]

Ballright

[true mist]

thats what always gets me, you barely save any money with PSA (or dont save any money at all given the quality if you actually shoot) but they still sell guns because low cost of entry combined with the fact that the vast majority of gun owners are probably barely touching triple digit round counts on a given gun keeps them in business

[golden marlin]

You can get guns that are decent starting beginner guns for a little bit more or for around the same price depending on where you are buying it from if it's on sale

I just don't see a point in buying from that company

Because you're not really getting something that is made with quality

[misty cove]

Literaly could probably buy a surplus ak for a bit more here

[true mist]

yep, and if youre putting any level of round count through the gun the price difference (if it exists) immediately becomes a rounding error

[golden marlin]

And everybody always falls onto the whole. Well they're out to support the 2a community blah blah blah well that's fine and dandy but that doesn't make a good excuse for poor quality manufacturing

[true mist]

"id rather save my money and buy more ammo to shoot more" and then doesnt buy more ammo nor shoots more

[thorny flame]

this is almost all of the gun market man

hate to break it to you

[true mist]

yep

[misty cove]

Com block guns 😍

[scenic jetty]

Bcm upper with a dsarms lower

[scenic jetty]

Have you seen this chat from time to time

[thorny flame]

unemployed behavior

[scenic jetty]

i have a job so

[plucky tapir]

Mom can we have a HK-416?

No, we have a 416 at home.

The 416 at home:

[round sentinel]

where is the external short stroke operation

[blazing temple]

in the balls, I think

[thorny flame]

boo

low effort

not a remington, a hanael, a sig, or a caracal

what are we even doing

[scenic jetty]

looks good

[plucky tapir]

Considering it's a four year build on a building sub/teacher's aide pay scale, the best I bloody well can.

Plus, post-grad is expensive.

[leaden mist]

Fuck those guys its a cool build brodie

[plucky tapir]

Thanks, can't wait to take it out to matches with my Lizards.

[scenic jetty]

gonna put a suppressor on it

[true mist]

i fw it

[fathom dragon]

Looks neat

[oak hatch]

some lil shits ive gotten along the way

[true mist]

bro sippin that dr thunder

[oak hatch]

hell yeah shits gas

[round flare]

A .45/70 Lever action?! Awesome!!!

[round flare]

Brother, I'm trying to move to Texas.

But I'm currently stuck in South Carolina rn.

Oh what I'd do to get my hands on a Authentic HK416.

[iron peak]

She shoots very very well. Super soft, especially when suppressed

[round flare]

Oh definitely I've heard nothing but good things about the 416. Hell even in the marines wanted it to be a replacement for the M4.

Not only that but the rails all over the barrel allows for LOADS of customization and adding grips, lights, and sights.

[sacred tree]

The 416 is nice

I like the carbine one

Sadly I only really used the 16.5 during service so

[round flare]

WHY?! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE 416 IN AMERICA DAMN IT!!!

JUST BASTARDIZED VERSIONS OF IT!

[true mist]

what makes the mr556 bastardized

i am not a knower

[iron peak]

The barrels are notoriously bad

[iron peak]

Also this is a legit 416, HK marked everywhere, etc

[round flare]

This and they're made of very shitty metal too.

[true mist]

gotcha gotcha

[iron peak]

its a shame because the MR556 is the closest thing most people will come to own a 416

[round flare]

But seriously the A5 version of it cost $4 grand!

But hey if it's the closest I'll get to a real 416 then I guess I'll take it.

Oh plus they discontinued the SCAR.
Get ready for mfers to charge obscene prices for the 7.62 version at gun shows.

But I would also like to get another Desert Eagle. I had one previously but the bolt popped out of the slide after putting 2,000 rounds throught it.

It was the .44 magnum version.

Now if only I could buy a real Ash-12. But I can't unfortunately. 😅

[leaden mist]

Yes brudda

The wife got me it cause she felt bad for yelling at me so much

So i was able to buy a bunch of that hornady leverevolution rounds

The 325 gr 45/70s are a joy to shoot

They dont kick alot and cycle very clean

Unlike nosler rounds lol

[terse pivot]

This is cap.

The MR series shoots at least en par with other "military style" barrels. Of course it doesnt compete with thick stainless steel match barrels

[lunar marsh]

Our milspec issued Colt barrels typically shot 2 MOA all day long. I imagine probably at least on par with that

[round flare]

Heh I wish I had someone who'd do that for me.

Buy me a gun after yelling at me too much. 😅

[thin cypress]

The brownells BRN4 is your answer

[summer plover]

not even a Wolf A1

taiwanese t91

[round sentinel]

They already brought it back but in a super gay config

Granted the original was already gay af

[thorny flame]

The barrels are fine

Certainly better than a lot of the aftermarket Hk barrels people are using

[carmine tide]

@blazing temple no combat loses huh https://fixupx.com/osintwarfare/status/2028389710733639874?s=46

[round sentinel]

Reminder that they are not our ally

[proven badger]

A little USS Liberty action on a crisp monday morning? ☕

[round sentinel]

Ayup

[misty cove]

kuwait isnt american ally?

[round sentinel]

In no way should they every be labeled as such

[misty cove]

why?

[round sentinel]

Use your critical thinking hat for a bit

Why should an Islamic entity who opposes western ideology be a western ally

[misty cove]

because they sell oil and give u bases

[round sentinel]

So yeah, not an ally

[carmine tide]

They could've killed so many enemies of israel a moment of silence please

[round sentinel]

Kek

[misty cove]

israel aparently hit a school in iran

lol

[carmine tide]

Its so much funnier than that

[misty cove]

jokes write themselves

[carmine tide]

The will of Allah guided a s300 missile intercepting a tomahawk to fail its intercept and crash into a school for high school girls

They blew themselves up

[modest hatch]

100% their missile failure

[blazing temple]

Last I checked blue on blue doesn't count but that sucks hope the crew made it out

[soft jay]

Your country does questionable alliances

So it wouldn't be anything from the left field

[round sentinel]

The statement is that they are our ally officially

[carmine tide]

Calling kuwait allies is like saying neko and I are allies bc we're both air force

[round sentinel]

KEK

It’s like us teaming up with Russia in WW2

We were not allies. We just have a common enemy

[soft jay]

Unless you put it this way

[modest hatch]

Enemy of my enemy situation

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[blazing temple]

Per centom it was three eagles down, all 6 aviators made it out

[misty cove]

so how many loses does us ahave

[blazing temple]

By losses do you mean casualties or kia? Presuming you are talking personnel losses

I think last I saw 8 casualties, 3 being kia

[restive wadi]

i could never support israel

thay trying to take over the world

and the us is just letting it happen

[misty cove]

equipment

like aircraft

i know theres like 3 f15s

[hot locust]

3 F-15Es were shot down by Kuwaiti SAMs but iirc all crew survived

At least 4 of 6

Haven’t heard anything specific about the 3rd pair

[blazing temple]

Equipment no idea

[blazing temple]

Centcom's press release said all 6 recovered and stable

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/

[hot locust]

Nc

[round sentinel]

LMAO

[blazing temple]

It's actually just a psyop for neko's world domination plans

[round sentinel]

Would

I’d run it better than any of these other scumbags in any power

[iron peak]

no, theyre not

a nitrided barrel for a $3k rifle is insane

[thorny flame]

do you know how many people were killed by stainless mk12 barrels?

it doesn't matter

you are not conducting OTB operations

and frankly, if it were that important you can pay the extra $4000 for an mr223 upper with a chrome barrel

[misty cove]

arent nitrite barrels usualy on guns that are like 1k

like the wbp's

[thorny flame]

they just cannot legally import the chrome barrels from germany

no one can do it here

[proven badger]

Wbp chrome lines

[round sentinel]

Which is based

[true mist]

i dont think nitriding is inherently bad but its objectively true that US consumers expect chrome lined barrels especially on higher end products

that's why zastava does it on the new ZPAPs

[misty cove]

i thought they didnt

or is thjat recent

[round sentinel]

That’s because we can afford to expect a higher quality, more competitive product

[misty cove]

or no wait that was zastavas i think

[round sentinel]

That’s zastana you are thinking

They started like 2-3 years ago ish

[misty cove]

3k gun and you get a nitride barrel

🤣

[true mist]

i think it was closer to 5 years ago but yeah

because ive had my zpap for 4 years now and i remember them having been chrome lined for a while before that while i was researching

oh yeah quick youtube search says ~2020

jeez

[round sentinel]

Ah damn I thought it was later

Regardless yeah it’s new in the overall sense

[true mist]

yeah in AK market terms it might as well be brand new

[thorny flame]

SIG 550s aren't

[whole hedge]

Fact

[golden marlin]

It's not inherently bad, but the problem is a lot of the cheaper nitrided barrels burnout really quick

And if you are buying a AK while you are expecting the ammo is not going to be the greatest

Plus If you are the type of person where you don't care what you're shooting, you're just buying surplus then you're going to destroy the barrel

Like some of those crappy nitride barrels can actually open up really badly at 10,000

[misty cove]

are normal AKMs nitride?

[golden marlin]

No chromelined

[misty cove]

oh dang

mass produced akm> hk ig

[golden marlin]

Like a majority of the aks out there are chrome

[misty cove]

zastava didnt use chrome cuz they wanted to save it to give albanians chrome poisoning

[golden marlin]

The only reason why Yugoslavia went that route was only because they probably didn't entirely have the capabilities to do it

And they never really got the technical data package

So that's why their guns are generally made of a slightly softer material

[true mist]

what do you guys think about the 12.5 draco? long term im thinking about making an 7.62x39 SBR build with a can and a chassis, or would i be better off with a different base rifle to build off of?

[lone moss]

With x39 prices I don’t see the point over something like .300 blackout but the vibe is cool

[true mist]

just vibes

i have a brain worm that gives me a soft spot for AKs

[lone moss]

If building off vibes go for it

[round sentinel]

No balls

It would fuck tbh

[scenic jetty]

You can just build out your own at that point

[scenic jetty]

7.62 is still cheaper then 300 blk

[thorny flame]

people want the real thing ™

you can't build an authentic rifle, only HK can do that

[true mist]

it wont be for a while, but after i get hired by a new job ill start building it out and post results eventually

[scenic jetty]

I mean you can build one I don’t know what your talking about but sure

[lone moss]

Never said it wasn’t, but it’s in a much more comparable price point now iirc within 10% depending on the ammo. Which is why I asked him what the purpose of the build was vibes or actual usage. 300blackout sbr with a can is a more effective package than a sbr ak with a can

[thorny flame]

you can build a clone, but it's not the real thing

whether or not that matters is up to the buyer

but it's also not a just-as-good thing

[scenic jetty]

I’m talking an ar upper in general

Plus if you use good parts it can be a good rifle

[thorny flame]

sure, but it's not good enough for the 416 larp crowd

[scenic jetty]

Oh yea sbr wise yea 300 blk would be better

[thorny flame]

you'd be better off spending your money on different rifle, obviously

[scenic jetty]

Oh yea if it’s the hk 416 crowd yea different story

[thorny flame]

B&T has imported both

https://axarms.com/product/bt-heckler-koch-hk-mr223a3-semi-auto-rifle-11-barrel-sbr-civilian-hk416a5-rare-german-market-edition/

[terse pivot]

Didnt realize you guys get different barrels. Can only speak to the barrels on the german variants mr223/mr308 and those shoot well.

[thorny flame]

they all shoot well, people are just mad they can't get the hk brand hk chrome lined barrels

but it's 2026, you can buy a G$ upper that will shoot just as well for just as long

[terse pivot]

For what it's worth I spent my money on an AR-15 with Lothar Walther barrel over an MR223.

[thorny flame]

cheap and abundant, and anyone shooting in a match setting will be rebarreling regardless

[lone moss]

Gross ax arms

[thorny flame]

i mean if you want to blow the trust fund on swiss garbage you only have a few options

[lone moss]

I’m aware, i’n no stranger to buying b&t stuff, just they are the literal worst lol

[iron peak]

Geissele makes their barrels to the US Army 4 MOA standard

[thorny flame]

that's just not true at all

they're putting out match grade stuff that's still chrome lined

not including the SS guns, which are comically expensive and kind of rare

it's why the value proposition of the 416s is kinda ass

[whole hedge]

It’s a true fact

[iron peak]

The 416 is objectively better in every way

[thorny flame]

this is bait

but obviously just wrong on face

which is why it's been replaced everywhere

[whole hedge]

I think the BREN 2 is the best option for a modern rifle that is on the market

[iron peak]

BREN 3 is pretty neat, too

Czech MCX

[thorny flame]

this converation in like 2005 would be relevant but that was 20 years ago

[whole hedge]

Fuck it. How about a regular MCX

[golden marlin]

It's meh

It really is

It's ok but it's not amazing

The progression of development they keep removing the good stuff

And just making it worse

The Bren 3 is fucking stupid

[whole hedge]

I’d rather have a DPMS kitty kat than anything that any military issues out tbh

[iron peak]

Nah, not really

[whole hedge]

We all know military rifles aren’t built well and most fighting is done in close quarters anyway; go as short as possible and be the first man through the door

[iron peak]

Its neat

[golden marlin]

It is stupid

[iron peak]

Nah

[golden marlin]

They literally took what made the Bren 2 decent

And got rid of it

[whole hedge]

No u

[golden marlin]

Like they literally got rid of the monolithic rail system

Just kind of added useless features that nobody asked for

And called it good

Yeah I get it. Some of it was things that was requested by Ukraine and even then the ukrainians still didn't go with it

It's a step down

[whole hedge]

Monolithic rail systems 🤢

The juice isn’t worth the squeeze

[golden marlin]

Monolithic is great

Especially if your whole thing is I don't want to go with quad rails

And you do want to have it as a night vision host

Because most mlok is not that great

And under serious abuse it still is lacking

It's not quite there

[scenic jetty]

Ris ll gotta get it

[iron peak]

Holding zero on a 5000 dollar laser pointer is overrated

[golden marlin]

literally one of the best

and yet the ris 3 which has demonstrated to be one of the better mlok rails

still has double the shift

[scenic jetty]

Interesting didn’t know that

[golden marlin]

like 8 moa shift under stress compared to 4

which comes down to how good the mounting process is and the rigidity

[misty cove]

grot is beter fr

[scenic jetty]

The ris II has the 4 ?

[golden marlin]

cause no shit more material means more ridged

[golden marlin]

yep pretty average for quads

[scenic jetty]

That’s not terrible

Especially if your making maybe 100 yard shots at most with lasers

[echo cairn]

You just wouldn't get it

[golden marlin]

like if i can id prefer a good mounting platform

i dont mind mlok for monolithic systems

cause now your have a solid rail for that

and then saving weight on the part your probably not mounting much to

besides flashlights and grips

[iron peak]

Monolithic is overrated

[echo cairn]

Said nobody ever

[iron peak]

I said it, just now

[scenic jetty]

It’s def cool but the juice ain’t worth the squeeze and you get diminishing returns

[echo cairn]

I mean it's just wrong

But it's okay to be wrong

[golden marlin]

its not really its just overstated

[iron peak]

Actually you are

[golden marlin]

like its a good mounting platform

[echo cairn]

Again, you just wouldn't understand

[iron peak]

Mid as hell. Also giraffe neck optic mounting platform

Hypebeast gun

[echo cairn]

L ragebate

[iron peak]

L gun

[echo cairn]

Can't afford it anyway

[iron peak]

I have better, but its ok for you to be wrong

[echo cairn]

Windham?

[echo cairn]

Suuuuuure buddy

[golden marlin]

Windham build acr yeah

[whole hedge]

You don’t understand

[iron peak]

Im not your buddy, pal

[echo cairn]

I'm not your pal buddy

Canadian ahhh

[golden marlin]

So like the better acr

[echo cairn]

Lmk when your laser drifts in 200 rounds

[echo cairn]

Arguably the best

I haven't seen too much on the Templar

[iron peak]

Laser pointers are a waste of money

[golden marlin]

I don't know if I would say that because the factory barrel was pretty bad

[echo cairn]

Looser

[golden marlin]

Factory acr barrel

[echo cairn]

Compared to bushmaster tho

[scenic jetty]

Oof

[golden marlin]

Windham was bushmaster

[whole hedge]

Lmk when you get rid of your sig optic on an LMT

[golden marlin]

Remington freedom group yeah

No Bueno

[echo cairn]

Hey I've seen Kac uppers where the barrel legit wasn't even rifled

[golden marlin]

But Templar is solid

[echo cairn]

Already have for a t2

[golden marlin]

They actually did the barrel conversion

For the gun

[whole hedge]

Cool man. That’s now what you posted tho

[scenic jetty]

That was my first ever ar still have the lower though

[golden marlin]

It now has a centurion barrel

[echo cairn]

Really? You don't say?

[echo cairn]

This is the way

[golden marlin]

I plan to order a bunch of spare parts from Templar at some point

[echo cairn]

I think the x39 with ak mag one looks dope asf

[golden marlin]

I'm currently just waiting on some parts first

Before I take it to the range

Because I want to shoot this thing suppressed and only suppressed

[scenic jetty]

The what now ?

[echo cairn]

I mean they are better than psa just. Not what I'd invest in. My first was a sport 2

[golden marlin]

Templar precision pretty much finally brought to the market the 7.62x39 lowers that take ak mags

[echo cairn]

The sythe

[golden marlin]

For the acr

[thin cypress]

I would say that too if I didn’t shoot under nods

[echo cairn]

They just don't understand

[scenic jetty]

@golden marlin @echo cairn oh shit that’s cool

[thin cypress]

Chicken wing that Larry and send it from the hip

[golden marlin]

Pretty much Templar precision has brought forth all the upgrades or spare parts for the ACR system along with all the promised things that never came

Like most of the upgrades I plan to do for mine is Templar upgrades

Though I do really enjoy this new handguard which is not Templar its actually sag

[misty cove]

how is the stock

[echo cairn]

They look real nice don't they? The 556 ak mag one too. If I had a bagillion dollars I'd get one just to have

[golden marlin]

Sag handguards are acr spec

[golden marlin]

So I don't like the ACR stock on a lot of different platforms, but on the actual gun it was originally made for its solid

Very comfortable

Still not a fan of the QD sockets

For slings

They are actually very loose

[echo cairn]

I'm not a fan of QD sockets at all

[misty cove]

so grot would be good i guess? :D

lews go

les go

[golden marlin]

Eventually I'll be getting the direct mounts

I'm only doing it right now because I share this sling with another gun