irl-weapons

[echo cairn]

Very very meh

[thin cypress]

Mines full power though maybe the Civ version is shit?

[round sentinel]

Almost everything was in house, the fn barrels were only on specific models

[echo cairn]

The ogl C is the biggest slap in the face tho. My God the comment section was amazing

[round sentinel]

Their receiver forgings were ass

Their small parts suck

The bcgs are abysmal

[echo cairn]

And the new $1k optic that looks straight from Ali express

[round sentinel]

There’s nothing redeeming from them

[thin cypress]

Temu eotech EXP

[thorny flame]

at this point it's kinda pointless, but historically

[round sentinel]

This is speaking historically

Let alone now

[thorny flame]

they had a really nice run

[echo cairn]

I swear it looks like something you'd get from an airsoft store or in a blister pack at Walmart

[round sentinel]

When their QC has gotten even worse

No, they didn’t

Lmao

[thorny flame]

the company got too big

way too fast

[echo cairn]

Also, idk why I'm just now learning ab this, this shall be my next can

[thorny flame]

and then they bought fuckin' everything up

[round sentinel]

They’ve been big since like 2012, and they’ve always been abysmal dogshit

Back then nobody really knew any better because what other companies did we have

[thorny flame]

no the scale is ridiculous at this point

[round sentinel]

Colt, Aero, LMT etc

[thin cypress]

I think PSA is alright just because they at least are willing to make something newish which other people aren’t really doing

[round sentinel]

Barely anything

[thorny flame]

not big on aero at all

[round sentinel]

“New”

looks inside
glock

[echo cairn]

If sadly have to agree. But damn. It's like going to buy a luxury car from Chevy

[thin cypress]

FN presents SCAR 2.0 now with just all the shit your already 7K aftermarket 1.0 had

[thorny flame]

very true

[thin cypress]

Not the dagger that’s just a cheap Glock clone

[thorny flame]

yeah but they are targeting a poorer demo than glock which

honestly is insane

but it is a large market

[round sentinel]

If they got their shit together on QC and manufacturing instead of cheaping out hard on everything, it would be fine

But nothing they do is really unique or new

[thin cypress]

If you’re too poor to buy a regular old gen 3 Glock I think there is some other issues at hand in life

[round sentinel]

Real

[echo cairn]

Yeahhhhhhh I wouldn't put aero and lmt in the same room

[thorny flame]

yeah but you'll find these people have a lot of problems

[echo cairn]

New aero at least

[thorny flame]

i'd like to remind you hipoint exists

somehow

[round sentinel]

Dude, I’m talking like

‘Who existed in 2012 for Ars’

[thorny flame]

yeah they both have dogshit QC

[thin cypress]

Don’t talk shit on the YN brick

[round sentinel]

There were only a handful of options

[echo cairn]

I'd bet aero has far more issues than an Lmt

[thorny flame]

yeah but one of those guns is like 4x the price

[echo cairn]

Where you getting a full aero rifle for $500?

[thorny flame]

i think recently they had to warranty an entire batch of guns sent to a euro .mil buyer

[round sentinel]

Oh noooo minor cosmetic blems that cause no adverse effect of the rifle. The horror

[thin cypress]

I only really buy aero lowers

[echo cairn]

Honestly that's what everyone did. Idk why they got so popular

[round sentinel]

It was like 7 rifles total, but they replaced parts in every single rifle for show of faith

[thin cypress]

Bought a SOLGW lower the other day and for the price it was at I was disappointed in the box

[echo cairn]

Insert Toy Story buzz meme, but I want a mk1 lol

[thorny flame]

idk if it was like an employee issue or something

but a year or two they had a horrendous run of qc

[echo cairn]

SOL or LMT

[thorny flame]

LMT

[thin cypress]

At least the aero had a cool box and was half the price of the SOLGW lower

[echo cairn]

Like 3 years ago yeah, that's around the time they moved and let go 90% of their experienced people

[thin cypress]

Should I buy MK12 upper from Brownells 👀

[echo cairn]

Yes

[round sentinel]

And tbf every single company experienced bad qc issues between 2020-2023

So

[thin cypress]

Covid QC

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[thorny flame]

these ones were pretty egregious

[thin cypress]

Lemme say that thing good when I didn’t look at it

[thorny flame]

she got a bit of a cant to 'er

[round sentinel]

Kek yeah that’s bad

[thorny flame]

built in windage

[round sentinel]

[thorny flame]

which again like, PSA ships you a fucked up FSP

whatever the gun is $250

hack it off

[thin cypress]

I’ve seen then FSP issues

[thorny flame]

but you paid all this money for that, big mad

[echo cairn]

I know this isn't like a real testament by any stretch but my specwar I got a year ago has been rock solid and I pieced it together bc getting a factory ODG specwar is near impossible. So good I bought a 14.5 kit lol

[thin cypress]

I installed my own FSP on a virgin barrel and didn’t fuck it up I don’t know what the fuck they were doing for it to do that

[thorny flame]

also really middling barrel quality

just across the board

regardless of the era

[thin cypress]

The build I just shared is an amalgamation of different parts

[thorny flame]

even very recently preston moore did one of the piston guns

and it shot like dogshit

https://youtu.be/Iihoyrht-UY

[thin cypress]

Only issue like I said with my Jakl is no forward assist

[thorny flame]

like come on guys what are we doing here

[echo cairn]

Oof

[thorny flame]

brand new from LMT

[echo cairn]

Kac suffering too

[thin cypress]

Delicious

I just want Brownells to get their fucking BRN4 uppers back in stock

[echo cairn]

At least we have the lords barrel

Criterion core

[thorny flame]

i think all the 2.1s have that gap

every one i've seen

when they first showed those contract guns

[echo cairn]

Most kac hand-guards have a gap

[thorny flame]

the whole point of that handguard, and why they didn't sell them, is because they come off

for USSS maintenance

[thin cypress]

416 handguard enters chat

[thorny flame]

i mean ks*- 3 straight off the KAC site

[echo cairn]

That's just ugly

[thorny flame]

same for the KS-1

[thin cypress]

You’d think they’d machine it to fit the upper flush

[thorny flame]

well realistically nothing is going in that gap

[thin cypress]

And that’s where WE went wrong we were thinking

[thorny flame]

there are plenty of aesthetically perfect matched sets

doesn't get toighter

i genuinely do not think there is a company that holds a tighter tolerance in the industry

[thin cypress]

I wanna build an MP5

But I also want Sig 552

[thorny flame]

they guarantee like .001

[thin cypress]

But I’m waiting on my space gun Mac-11 upper to come in

[thorny flame]

which is just insane

also no one does better ano

idk who does their shit but it is perfect

one of those WA aerospace jaunts

[round sentinel]

Are you gonna get one of the metal lower that was based off of the Mac n cheese printed lower

[thin cypress]

I’ve debated it

[round sentinel]

Do it

Space mac

Frt it

[thin cypress]

But my printers are pretty dialed so I may just do some PA6 CF for the time being til I get the aluminum lower

Might go MP5 mag though

[round sentinel]

Fair

[thin cypress]

I just want my space gun

Talked to MM and he said shortly after shotshow they’ll have them in stock

Only for the preorder guys right now though

[round sentinel]

That’ll be cool

[thin cypress]

Fun little project

[proven badger]

Take this weather with you back to Montana 😂

Anything cool at shotshow this year or is it the usual broken dreams and promises?

[echo cairn]

S&W are brining heat this year

[lone moss]

Usual broken dreams and promises

Idk I’m here now

[misty cove]

''new guns'' and its an ar15 ?

butshort

[blazing temple]

Not an ar15

Idk what it actually is but it looks piston based to me

[sudden moon]

So shitty AR

Proprietary AR

[blazing temple]

Also the lower and name sounds like its trying to be an acr clone

[proven badger]

Any cool (gay) combloc type stuff? There usually is every year

[blazing temple]

But didn't they already make one of those?

[proven badger]

I think I saw something about a Serbian PKM at the zastava booth?

[blazing temple]

That was already known to be shit?

[proven badger]

Looked cool

[lunar marsh]

@silk rapids finally approved

[silk rapids]

Nice

[misty cove]

a serbian what

[lone moss]

Real

[proven badger]

🔥

That’s cool as fuck

[lone moss]

Still gonna find the sr-3 guy but I haven’t really made it to any of the small booths yet

[proven badger]

Those are also cool, I saw a video on them

Any Daewoo stuff there?

[lone moss]

I know snt is here but I haven’t seen their booth yet

[grave kayak]

couldn't make SHOT Show this year, absolute pain

[echo cairn]

I REALLY don't trust a 50bmg from psa

One of the guns if offered to shoot I'd say absolutely not

[round sentinel]

Grain of salt, but according to some reputable sources. Barrett C&D them

Which is absolute comedy

[echo cairn]

I mean NASA could design them a rocket, still wouldn't trust them to build it

[round sentinel]

Real

I wished it would’ve been made so we could get Kentucky ballistics 2

[echo cairn]

Blows up first round

[round sentinel]

[thin cypress]

A now more proprietary Jakl

[leaden raptor]

Jesus

[round sentinel]

It’ll be peak

[misty cove]

VZ59 RAHH

[lone moss]

Same lmfao

[echo cairn]

The more I look at it the more I want it

[carmine tide]

Short stroke jakl

[lone moss]

Hot right?

[echo cairn]

Straight up gas man. If it was like $1500 I'd put in an order rn

[lone moss]

@round sentinel

[round sentinel]

sneed

you should tell A&K I said hi

[lone moss]

I don’t know what booth they are at 🙁

[round sentinel]

MKMs

MK machining

[lone moss]

🫡

They weren’t fully setup yet will have to go back

[modern sandal]

They got a K7 at their booth this year

From what I seen on YT

[lone moss]

There’s all the snt stuff

@proven badger

[modern sandal]

K7 is a two stamper ain’t it

Or is it just one

[lone moss]

Two

[proven badger]

If they bring any of their rifles to market, I will have to get one

I've been looking for something unique that satisfies the AK itch, but in 5.56

For a long time now

[round sentinel]

aww

also I need a K7

[sudden moon]

If it's integral it should only be one

[modern sandal]

Prob still shorter than 16”

[round sentinel]

def is

[echo cairn]

Me walking it's shotshow with a K4 stuffed in my pants

[unique fjord]

People don’t edc a obrez ptrs

[edgy kestrel]

Obrez ptrs😭

[round sentinel]

wood

[misty cove]

yum

[carmine tide]

im about to lose my shit on my dumb bitch supervisor some latinx smooth brain hung out outside a closed ffl and signed for a firearm then called us to do the background check and my supervisor said "so whats the issue if the cust has the package"

[unique fjord]

It can’t hurt you it’ll nail the neighbors dog 8 streets away

[carmine tide]

arent ptrs' gas operated how would you even obrez it

[unique fjord]

Yank the knob

[carmine tide]

theres a bolt action one isnt there

the ptrd or whatever

[unique fjord]

I don’t see why a barrel less ptrs wouldn’t work in theory lol

I assume that is what he has

[edgy kestrel]

Oh lord

[unique fjord]

The round will just be sticking out of the end lol

[carmine tide]

cycling?

[unique fjord]

Okay wel it still goes bang I mean

[carmine tide]

yea so does a mk19

once

before it jams

does that mean it works

[unique fjord]

Work vs function lol

[carmine tide]

arent they synonyms

[unique fjord]

Ehh depends on the context

[carmine tide]

if a tool works i expect it to function

hence it "working"

[unique fjord]

Like my broken shotgun I got from gunbroker.
It functions fine. But it doesn’t work as firearm cause no stock

[carmine tide]

it works mechanically as a firearm

[unique fjord]

Same way the mosin works as firewood

[plush warren]

Or javelin

Or boat paddle

[lone moss]

Found it

[echo cairn]

The thing everyone won't stfu ab

[echo cairn]

You have any info on this?

It's from tippmann

[lone moss]

Yes just saw them earlier

.22 slam fire, pumps

They are sick

[echo cairn]

Fuckkkkkkk please tell me they come out this year

[proven badger]

This thing is just a paper weight considering ammo is impossible to find

A cool paper weight though

[unique fjord]

If it ain’t 9 million dollars I want one

[lone moss]

They are making ammo

[lone moss]

4500-5k

[lone moss]

Late q2 early q3 iirc

[unique fjord]

I cry

That’s just stupid

[next quarry]

In my shooting club I checked x25 scope for sighters.
For my eyes it is not enough.
🙁
I need to check somewhere x30 or x40

[echo cairn]

The $4000 glock

[lone moss]

Would be worth every penny

[lone moss]

Welcome to the game player

[unique fjord]

Also me
Spends 5k on two rifles

See two for 2500$ is a better deal

lol

[proven badger]

These prices are getting out of control lmao

[thin cypress]

If I’m paying that for a Glock I’m getting the ballerina gen 5 17

[echo cairn]

Me who spent 8k on white lights

[unique fjord]

the new eotech is 1000 lol

[echo cairn]

Which can stay in the eotech warehouse

[carmine tide]

That is a good deal

Thats 2 rifles for 5k instead of 1 for 5k

[thin cypress]

Temu warehouse*

[lone moss]

Gen 5 poop

Gen 6 fire

[lone moss]

Aye man eotech be the play always, they offer something no one else does

[olive steeple]

did you ask them are they gonna actually manufacture these or do they have jim-bubba in the back who can shape steel like its paper?

[lone moss]

They are

[echo cairn]

I mean...I offer a one of a kind unique turd every day

[unique fjord]

dont worry the china copy will drop a week later once they send the pics back home from shotshow

[lone moss]

Who else is making legit holos?

No one

I’ve also had multiple drinks

[olive steeple]

vortex...

[unique fjord]

man if holos where etched and not overpriced red dots then id get one

[olive steeple]

but thats like the reddit gotcha answer

[echo cairn]

That doesn't mean their optic is worth 1 grand all bc I has shake awake, less protection, and a dial brightness

[unique fjord]

the new eotech is basically a sightmark clone

[lone moss]

And it’s what still 600? For something subpar than eo

[lone moss]

such is life everything has gone up

[lunar marsh]

This was posted earlier on Reddit. Apparently this passes as a functional blem SAW Tisha…seems a little extreme

[echo cairn]

The fuck!?

[olive steeple]

you pay about 400 less than eo, you get about 400 less than eo

lets be real these are mostly for gov/LEO use anyway

[lone moss]

Normal eo you can have for sub 600

[unique fjord]

the new eo is also ugly as shit

[lone moss]

The new shit is gonna go down eventually

[unique fjord]

make its look cheap

[lunar marsh]

Ya. Guy ordered a blem. Delivered today lol

[olive steeple]

yeah, the very cheapest last gen one

(assuming new)

[echo cairn]

Would be going straight back. Thats not a damn blem

[jaunty crane]

wouldn't that just be a 1x prism

[lone moss]

Nah just pay attention to sales and you can snag an eo for sub 600 all day a new one

[unique fjord]

vortex ftw

[lunar marsh]

Apparently it meets their blem standard. I’d hate to see what meets the full no-go standard

[echo cairn]

Man and I was on the fence about gettin their shiv

[unique fjord]

ngl thought eotechs where the shit until i used it once and it was just as shitty as a normal red dot

[olive steeple]

there is no reasonable competition in holos, for agencies that really NEED this stuff a thousand dollars is chump change, for the average wannabe militiamen, we're just feeding on the scraps of actual buyers

if holosun worked some magic and dropped a 200 dollar holo it wouldnt make a difference because as far as we're concerned, holo sights are a luxury

[unique fjord]

new eotech is copy my homework from sightmark lol

[lone moss]

, eo’s work really well for people like me with astigmatism as well. Red dots literally star out regardless of the brand . Eo always clear no matter w

[olive steeple]

what i'm saying is that our consumer side of the market is so small it might as well not exist

[lone moss]

Literally everyone I know owns at least one eo

So like

[unique fjord]

eos and red dots are nearly the same just bloomed as shit

[lone moss]

Ehhhhh

[unique fjord]

1 or 2 moa red dots are probs the best for me

[thorny flame]

you need to see an eye doctor homie

[lone moss]

This

[unique fjord]

yeah thanks doc obvious

why do you think i use prisms and lpvos

lol

[lunar marsh]

I recently sold me last one. Everything I own now is AP but Eotech was my go to. Used one my last 3 or 4 years after switching from ACOG during an OIF deployment.

[unique fjord]

low moa dots are fine, Eos are just eh

[lone moss]

Fair enough, they are also local to me so

I will never not shill for a local

[olive steeple]

The chinese Spectre DR i got for about 400 dollars suprisingly holds zero pretty decently, the mounting hardware is straight dogshit though

and i tried using it in an actual fight (airsoft) and it was so terrible i used the BUS on top lol

[lone moss]

I will never trust a Chinese optic on a fighting rifle

[olive steeple]

thats ok because we are never gonna realistically fight

[unique fjord]

so many people are raving about their dog shit china clones of russian optics when they are just airsoft repros lol

[olive steeple]

if you have anything on your rifle you are already 90th percentile

[lone moss]

You say that but it all matters

[lunar marsh]

If I ever did a block 1 clone of one of my service rifles I’d definitely get another Eotech. The one I recently sold was XPS I ran for years on my police rifle

[unique fjord]

welp you have the cannon on the top of the stairs as a fallback

[lone moss]

Hell yeah

For me you should never put subpar gear on a rifle you intend to grab when shit hits the fan

[thorny flame]

but if you have an astigmatism so bad you can't see an eotech with corrective lenses idk man

[lone moss]

Even for home defense

[olive steeple]

i hate to sound like a fudd but for most of us the best choice is to learn to shoot irons

better to have something

[lunar marsh]

This is my shtf rifle now lol

[lone moss]

Sure I agree with you to a certain extent but if you have an optic you should be able to depend on it like irons

[lone moss]

Fuck yeah badass man

[olive steeple]

I feel like we should all have an illegal SBR because whos gonna give a shit when shtf

[thorny flame]

also seen at shot

[olive steeple]

like just have the barrel somewhere, not necessarily on your gun

[olive steeple]

is it a real holo?

[lunar marsh]

Or just do the free tax stamp and make it legal. Unfortunately this is a 200$ one lol

[unique fjord]

Someone make an eotech with a gold dot for me

The mp5 she tells you to not worry about

[olive steeple]

i should register a crate full of 10 inchers just in case...

[olive steeple]

uncanny valley but for mp5s

[carmine tide]

https://youtube.com/shorts/x8HKjLgv_90?si=4CIT8jjXliYmobby

[unique fjord]

The ironic part I can use my kobra reticles just fine. But like my pistol dot is mid to use. Also the issue I think it’s a 3moa tho that doesn’t help

I’ve tried some of the gold dots and they are pretty nice for me

[lunar marsh]

Once the newness of free stamps wears off and it settles back down I’m gonna probably tax stamp all my lowers just so I can rotate any upper as needed

[unique fjord]

Me waiting for the 500$ stamp

):

Fucking white Kamala

[proven badger]

Opposite of my experience

[thorny flame]

yes

zentinel defense

[stone cobalt]

sick suppressor

what is it?

[lost drum]

Bca son or vska daughter

[inland solstice]

PSA Brother or Anderson Sister

[proven hearth]

I didnt even realize this was you with the pfp change

Time to go to bed. My awareness has run dry

[wise pine]

i wish tarkov have this xDDD i need it too xD
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x8HKjLgv_90

[lunar marsh]

Allen Engineering M4-Delta

[stone cobalt]

thank you

[round sentinel]

Just wait until it’s challenged and gets raised even higher federally due to the precedent of dropping it to 0

[lunar marsh]

I fully expect the next democrat admin to reinstate a paid at maybe a higher rate tax stamp. It’s tough on guns policy for the anti-gun crowd 🙄

[thorny flame]

i mean it's the best time in history for that shit

unless you live in the couple of cucked states nobody has to deal with AWB shit

[proven badger]

We lose a state to AWBs every year it seems

[round sentinel]

Eh it’s not that frequent

Every handful of years, but they were states already cucked on guns anyways

[ocean pike]

This year it’ll be Virginia for sure

[thorny flame]

VA has a really trad constitutionalist streak

kind of a tossup

[fringe prawn]

at least VAs will be a more muted version of an AWB that itll probably be completely meme tier like Colorados or Rhode Island

they have too many Government contractors who like guns imo

[round sentinel]

Honestly, this is why I didnt want the zero buck stamp

Because it is going to open the flood gates for down the line changes with each new admin

[fringe prawn]

same

[round sentinel]

Don’t get me wrong, I obv don’t want the NFA bs at all, but we know how this game is played

[fringe prawn]

yeah celebrating that as a win is short lived now its on the bloomberg radar

[round sentinel]

Ayup

Because this current admin isn’t pro gun either. It was just a vote grab and they forgot about it after

As usual

[lunar marsh]

Agreed. Temp win for a pro-2A admin…open door future for the next anti -2A admin.

[round sentinel]

Ayup

But we all said this since the day the stamp change was stated too

[ocean pike]

Well the current version of the bill is pretty much a blanket ban on anything semi auto with a detachable mag so I guess we will see what happens when all is finalized

[fringe prawn]

They always get amended or changed. Original bills are always big Christmas lists full of wishful thinking.

my guess is the final bill will be a cursed cali fin grip type thing

15 rds for handguns 10 for rifles like IL

.0001% compliance

at the same time gun owners need to nut up or shut up eventually and stop being cucks

These laws are unenforceable outside of in state FFLs

Take notes from stoners. Americans run on rules of the jungle. If you bow down they don’t respect you politically. Thats why weed is defacto legal or legal in every state

[thorny flame]

"take notes from the stoners" yeah i'll pass thanks

[round sentinel]

So, be a public disturbance and make everyone hate you

[thin cypress]

All gun laws are unconstitutional if everyone just did whatever the fuck they wanted at this point we’d be better off

[modern sandal]

All I’m saying is I’m a lot better off not getting touched in prison so

[misty cove]

ngl given how insane some people in the us are having mandatory backgroun checks etc makes sense imo

like

you have an insanely high crime rate

for the ''richest country''

[proven badger]

Only in certain areas

The majority of the population can behave

[limpid bloom]

but where pew pews

[misty cove]

yeah but still

even if its say idk 10-15% thats an insane amount

[limpid bloom]

not mine

[misty cove]

sks?

😭

[limpid bloom]

bubba be bubba'in i guess

[misty cove]

the wood looks cool

but this is ugly

[limpid bloom]

oh yeah its the definition of fugly, i like it

[misty cove]

@round sentinel

are you gona donate

[proven badger]

no

[round sentinel]

I never donate

[misty cove]

why not

even for uranium for chechens?

[round sentinel]

Kek

[limpid bloom]

this is only good thing to donate to

[lunar marsh]

I say give every eastern EU country uranium. See what they can come up with

[ocean pike]

Just give them free will again. Would have the same effect.

[lunar marsh]

Let em have some fun

[misty cove]

belarus isn uking poland

lol

[misty cove]

Prl was going to make nueks in 70s

so i think ye

i think atleast

[carmine tide]

Nuclear powered bmp probably

[floral veldt]

BMP is the B52 of Eastern Europe frfr

[misty cove]

bmp just means ifv

lol

[floral veldt]

I’m aware

[misty cove]

but the bmp 1 yeah we still use it 💀

such a piece of shit

atleast the bmp1am is decent

almost a bmp 2

[floral veldt]

Homie just wants to die but countries can’t stop slapping on a new turret

[misty cove]

not even

its got so little upgrades its insane

and the ones it did changed not much

the bmp 1 am aka the best one afaik

is lit brandn ew

like 5 year sat best

[fringe prawn]

civil disobedience isn’t being a public disturbance.

[fringe prawn]

high wealth inequality, large uh “demographic” differences, and a shit ton of stolen glocks out of suburbanite Toyota Tacomas lol

[misty cove]

yea

[lunar marsh]

Umm ya it quickly turns into that…

[fringe prawn]

how so? Does shooting your non-compliant AR on public land/private range actively hurt anyone? 99% of recent AWB states are doing that as we speak.

[plush warren]

Guns are pretty cool I think politicians that try to infringe on our right to own them are traitors to the people they claim to represent

If everyone got a hi point on their 18th birthday I think most of the countries issues would work themselves out pretty fast. Like 5 years tops

[edgy kestrel]

Customary 18th birthday hi-point yeet cannon 😂

[ocean pike]

The government handing out hi points would definitely be saying something about the economy

[thin cypress]

Why would you let yourself get touched in prison?

[misty cove]

youre right be the one who touches

[thin cypress]

Nah just don’t go to prison over your rights being violated, however if you do end up in prison then just be untouchable.

[proven badger]

Me rn because I drive a Tacoma and carry a glock

[round sentinel]

this

sure theres some 'okay' people that do it, but society wide its nothing but a crime and public safety issue

[proven badger]

Weed?

Civil disobedience is based to an extent

[scenic jetty]

lol

[fringe prawn]

For victimless crimes like ownership of an object?

[misty cove]

all drugs are bad

[misty cove]

what if the object is a nuke

[fringe prawn]

bro you have be actually challenged to get caught.

the only people getting caught in AWB states are doing some other be like hitting their gf, selling drugs, or speeding with their gear in front seat

[misty cove]

or 20 tons of uranium

[fringe prawn]

International treaties stop you there. You can own fissile material in the US.

who can even afford a nuke other than Elon Musk lol

[misty cove]

chechens

now donate to chechens

to buy uranium

[fringe prawn]

only the anti-Kadyrov/Russia factions and we’ve got a deal

[misty cove]

honestly

albania and kosovo shoulnt exist

the only reason they do is due to some great power meddling in balkans

[fringe prawn]

guessing you’re pro-Serb?

[misty cove]

yes

[fringe prawn]

I guess they’re idk. I like their AKs and PPU ammo. I don’t like that they’re still obsessed with Russia.

They even stopped exporting guns and ammo a few times because they found out some countries bought Serb weapons and then sent them to Ukraine lol

[misty cove]

lol

[misty cove]

i mean to be honest

the only non hostile major power to thme near is russia

and ukraine winning just makes nato stronger against them ig?

[fringe prawn]

i just need my 8mm Mauser PPU ammo man

[proven badger]

I don’t disagree, I just don’t think it’s the governments place to decide

At least for stuff like weed

[misty cove]

it is

[fringe prawn]

if people wanna get high honestly who cares. ive never really understood the pearl clutching.

we have all that stuff banned in the US and we have an awful drug addiction rate. Its failed horribly. Might as well just let drug companies make the shit so less people OD

[thin cypress]

Almost like gun laws do the same

[misty cove]

the us has awful everything

[fringe prawn]

we do try for it nowadays

[misty cove]

you got
worst politicans (Debatable)
worst food
worst crime rates of western world ( i think or very close to the highest)
worst history

like

also americans are realy REALY arrogant

[fringe prawn]

eh 90% of each states crime rate is confined to like three neighborhoods in the ghetto everyone avoids

I cook my own food.

our history is like only 300 years old. Not much time to get great history like Poland

[misty cove]

yeah but your history is also just do nothing and then either do a small invasion or a medium sized one

like

revolution then wait then 1812 fail then wait like 50 years

or 40

[fringe prawn]

i
mean yeah its not that interesting most people don’t really care.

i like the US for shooting and hunting. Everything else is meh

[misty cove]

your food is the worst imo

''hmm yes i love 15 poisonous colourings and 3 types of syrup isntead of normal sugar''

[thin cypress]

Worst crime rate attributed to 13% of the populous

[fringe prawn]

yeah if you buy that shit instead of just buying sugar. its not like you’re forced at gunpoint to buy corn syrup at the store

[proven hearth]

We Americans are just superior.

It's that simple.

[proven badger]

Worst food and worst history is insane

We shit on your country most likely in food and history

[proven badger]

Being the most powerful country in the world affords you that ability

[proven hearth]

Europeans opinions dont matter, theyre not even people

[proven badger]

Facts

[proven hearth]

Ask him if he has a discord license

[fringe prawn]

idk i love Kielbasa and pierogis

[proven badger]

EU, UN, NATO, all the worst things to happen to America in modern history

[fringe prawn]

now youve lost me lol

[proven badger]

True but I'm taking my bbq any day of the week

over that

[sage thicket]

Ups

[misty cove]

great still lost like majority of the wars in the last 2 cneturies

[misty cove]

no you dont

[proven badger]

Ya because you can't win when you're fighting an ideology. No country will succeed at that.

Also, when you have a special friend in the middle east that gets you into trouble all the time, it's hard

[proven hearth]

We are at war while yall are applying for licenses to use kitchen utensils

Just built different

[misty cove]

what license for kitchen utensils

i can literaly own a sword and carry it around

[proven badger]

Knives buddy

Can't even carry a knife anymore in Europe

[fringe prawn]

bruh Polish gun owners have it better off than most blue states lol

[misty cove]

im not a brittish puss

[fringe prawn]

The UK isn’t all of Europe

[proven hearth]

Not American? Don't care. Not real.

[lunar marsh]

Didn’t your country get steamrolled in a matter of couple of weeks and ever since then they’ve begged for American defense presence?

[misty cove]

we got invaded on litrealy all sides

france got invaded thru 1 and with british support and lost basicaly the same

lol

[proven badger]

Get a bigger country

[fringe prawn]

Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Austria and a few other EU countries are based af

[proven hearth]

Imagine being invaded

[misty cove]

switzerland isnt in eu

[misty cove]

we had

uhh

[fringe prawn]

Ah yeah shit

[misty cove]

nobles had too many rights it slowly fell to shit and then got partitioned

[fringe prawn]

Well European*

[misty cove]

mediaval armor is so cool

*armour

[lunar marsh]

And your point? Again another EU country that publicly shits on the U.S. and secretly begs for defense subsidies. Nothing new

[proven hearth]

Many such cases

[proven badger]

AKA NATO

[fringe prawn]

lmao. When you spend too much time talking to Americans online

[misty cove]

truth...

[fringe prawn]

we infect all minds

[proven hearth]

The only infection yall have is in the teeth

[misty cove]

i dont think it publicly shits and we dont get shit for free why do you think we bought abrams

tbh we shouldnt have bought abrams nor leopard

iunstead made pt94 and then 97

[fringe prawn]

i live in Florida lol

[proven hearth]

Even worse

Fucking floridians

[fringe prawn]

true

[proven hearth]

[fringe prawn]

“based” Desantis still won’t unban FRTs

[proven badger]

Meatball Ron

[proven hearth]

Floridians when the drive through worker fucks up their order
tosses baby gator through drive through window

[misty cove]

thats the brits

[proven hearth]

You're all the same.

[proven badger]

And Pennsylvania people

[fringe prawn]

I prefer to throw full grown gators if they aren’t too long.

[misty cove]

just how all americans are obese and stupid?

[proven hearth]

That's CAG

[lunar marsh]

You bought them because if you did we would keep a defense presence there in exchange. Why do you think we have units there on 9 month rotations at all times. You spend a shit load of money on Govt sales and we live there to protect you from the big bad wolf

[proven hearth]

Get invaded again and cry for US support, again.

[misty cove]

i guess

[misty cove]

wdym cry for us support again?

[lunar marsh]

I fact

[proven hearth]

If youre struggling with comprehension, you can always re-read

[misty cove]

not gona lie i think it would be a better idea for us to develop the PT line instead of buying shitty leos and relying on imports

[misty cove]

my bad dint see the ,

[fringe prawn]

I love LEO2s 🙁

[misty cove]

i hate leo 2s

[lunar marsh]

I guess it’s a good thing the polish govt doesn’t rely on defense opinions of 15 year old kids…

[fringe prawn]

well you have K2s now as well lol

[misty cove]

yeah 😭

[misty cove]

would it be better if america imported all their tanks fro mkorea japan etc or made their own

?

[proven hearth]

I see what you tried to do there but it's a fundamentally bad example.

[lunar marsh]

Horrible example

[misty cove]

why? cuz the us is a major power or?

[proven hearth]

If you have to ask why, we shouldnt be having this conversation

Lmao

[misty cove]

you say its bad and wont tell me why 😭

[fringe prawn]

i don’t really the aggressiveness towards allied nations we have here rn

American and Polish soldiers train together

[lunar marsh]

Your example makes no sense. It’s not a comparison because America doesn’t rely on those countries to defend its borders, you buy foreign equipment in exchange those foreign countries keep a presence in your country to defend you.

[misty cove]

okay but neither germany nor south korea have bases or anythign to rpotect us

[lunar marsh]

They pour defense money into your country…

[proven hearth]

Anyways, ignoring the child.
Roland special g19 Soon™

Ordered my rmr type 2 last night

[lunar marsh]

There’s a reason for everything that’s exchanged at that level. You’re spending money and buying their equipment in exchange for X Y Z

[misty cove]

so they pour money into our country for us to spend money on their tanks?

[lunar marsh]

Yes

[fringe prawn]

yeah it single-handedly supports defense industries including the US. Idk why we’re even fighting about this. NATO countries buying US and German equipment is a good thing

[misty cove]

ehh

yeah i guess

but having to rely on someone for something so important isnt very good

especialy given how us is rn

[fringe prawn]

we’ll hopefully snap out of the illness eventually

[lunar marsh]

Why do you think the U.S. sells equipment to foreign governments? It’s not because we want them to have the best, it’s in our best interest in multiple facets, not just financial

[misty cove]

alr

can we talk about other stuff

like sowrds

swords

[proven hearth]

No

[fringe prawn]

i don’t know much about them 🙁 I do like the look of cavalry sabres

[misty cove]

that sucks :/

[proven hearth]

God dammit Jared

Look what you've done

[fringe prawn]

“Talking about weapons in irl-weapons?! how dare you”

[proven hearth]

REAL

[misty cove]

''i wana talk about big macs and toyotas''

[proven hearth]

Post ARMS rails or stop talking

[fringe prawn]

im saving up for a walther pdp pro. I need a good full size handgun finally

[misty cove]

wood is better

[proven hearth]

I want to like the pdp but bitch kinda chonky

I say that while owning a px4 storm though

[fringe prawn]

i like em thicc

[proven hearth]

Fair. Im more of a glock and m&p guy

I have multiple different handguns. Just always fall back to ol trusty

[fringe prawn]

i grew up
shooting glocks and now they bore me even though they’re basically the greatest practical handgun ever made

[proven hearth]

Boring is good

[fringe prawn]

im
aware

[proven hearth]

Nuh uh

[misty cove]

@fringe prawn dio you know anythign about medieval armor

[fringe prawn]

unfortunately nothing 🙁 i like guns

[misty cove]

pluh

[proven hearth]

As one should

If it's not a gun, it's a toy.

And toys are not weapons

[fringe prawn]

i do like bows as well

[misty cove]

brigandine is fire

[proven hearth]

Toy

[fringe prawn]

fun toy

[proven hearth]

I cant admit that as ive already shit posted

[fringe prawn]

that does go pretty hard

[fringe prawn]

how do you feel about explosives

[proven hearth]

C4 is fun to chew on so i hear

[fringe prawn]

assault putty

[lunar marsh]

Just don’t hold the blasting cap in your mouth when priming lol

[misty cove]

https://youtu.be/8K6r_qCT1xA

[misty cove]

@fringe prawn polish warrior peak

[proven hearth]

But i wanna

[lunar marsh]

Good luck in your adventures

[proven hearth]

[fringe prawn]

I want to try HEMA some day lol

that was awesome

[misty cove]

i dont remember which one it was

i think buhurt?\

but it was kinda shit imo

its like over armoured with ultra blunt weapons

andn o piercing

tldr no technique just swining

[carmine tide]

Theres a DoD approved amount of c4 you can injest before going to the hospital

[fringe prawn]

yeah isn’t most realistic armored combat basically grappling with knives and hammers?

[carmine tide]

Which means they fed grunts c4 until they got sick

[misty cove]

no hammers

[fringe prawn]

i meant war hammers sry

maces

anti-armor weapons were blunt right?

[misty cove]

no

not realy

[fringe prawn]

ah

so
just sword grappling then?

[misty cove]

sorta

more so it was pointy like a rondel dagger

[fringe prawn]

i see. Like AP ammo now

[misty cove]

sum like this

ig?

i mean lucerne hammer was made to go through chainmail sorta

but it also had a hook n shit so yk

but yea maces got rarely used i think

[fringe prawn]

i want those daggers

[fringe prawn]

that sounds amazing

[misty cove]

serach up dequitem that guy does mediaval fighting

acurately ish

https://youtu.be/AnizRABIC7s

heres on

[carmine tide]

The reason the pommels were so flat is so people could hammer it through the knight and pin him to the ground (i made it the fuck up)

[misty cove]

factualy made up

[carmine tide]

Yes

But if you say it confidently enough idiots will believe you

[misty cove]

yeah i seen people just repeateadly say that a hammer or mace could bend steel armor

like bro 💀

[carmine tide]

It could dent it

[blazing temple]

Define bend

[carmine tide]

You wear a helmet and I'll hit you with a mace as hard as possible and let's see if you end up looking like sloth from the goonies

[misty cove]

like dent it enough to stop ur leg or arm from moving

[blazing temple]

You hit the right place yeah thats totally possible

I mean the underlying damage to the person in said armor will be part of the problem

[misty cove]

https://youtu.be/qtZsNRPvxUo

no not realy

you overestimate dmg a tiny mace can produce

[blazing temple]

You underestimate how much force something can absorb when it can freely move

[fringe prawn]

thx

[misty cove]

yeah tahts true

but youd have to make a massive dent

[blazing temple]

The first hit looked like a very glancing blow and in all of them the piece he's testing bounces after he hits it

That depends entirely on where you hit

[misty cove]

i think he did in the longer vid where he gets hit by a mace on a horse?

and it concused him a bit yeah but it didnt kill him

https://youtu.be/FwWOoHZGrnI here he explains it a bit bla bla bla it wont kill you

@blazing temple

a mace or hammer isnt some ultimate weapon

[blazing temple]

I never said it was

I was just saying a solid hit from mace or hammer is going to do damage

[misty cove]

yeah but not enoguh

to like dent it fully in

[blazing temple]

just like a solid hit from any of its contemporaries

[misty cove]

ngl brigandine is such nice armor\

[proven kayak]

c4 in a can makes a very good camp cooker

like old mosquito spray and peanut butter

[modest slate]

not really

if they stand completely still and let you do it yeah

but like

I actually fight in armour irl (I do harnischfechten, it's like HEMA but cool because we use steel weapons and fully historical armour and techniques with grappling) and it's feasibly possible to impede the joints but it's very unlikely against a resisting opponent

the human body just cannot impart enough force on its own to do significant damage to the armour in most places

Which is why a lot of maces and warhammers were used from horseback

very rarely did you actually kill or even seriously injure someone in armour, it was just too fuckin hard. 90% of the time your goal was to knock him over and force a submission so you could take him for ransom

When you DID want to actually kill a knight you'd still knock him over then start shanking him in every gap you can find with a rondel dagger

[misty cove]

what armor do u fight with?

[modest slate]

14thc english

and doing damage to the armour with a mace is still hard then, it only gets harder as armour and techniques evolve through the 15th and 16th

my dream harness is 15thc gothic german or 16thc maximillian german tho

[misty cove]

my dream is like 15th or 14th polish

or just a full ass brigandine

like nearly everything brigandine andt hen like a kettlehelm with bevor

[modest slate]

this is my dream harness but I'll never be rich enough for that

hence why I became an armourer and hopefully one day will have the skills to make it myself

[misty cove]

goofy ahh feet

[modest slate]

duck feet sabatons became very common around the turn of the 15th into the mid-late 16th

[misty cove]

same im gona try making swords and armor maybe

[modest slate]

the pointy sabatons started to fall out of favor

[misty cove]

ugly as balls tho

[modest slate]

Armour is very hard and needs a lot of tools, good luck

swords are ass too

[misty cove]

yeah...

[modest slate]

making a sword is 90% bench work and like 10% actual forging

it's boring af

[misty cove]

tbh wouldnt brigandine be sorta easy

[modest slate]

no

[misty cove]

by benchwork you mean like filing sharp etc?

[misty cove]

i mean yeah

its alot of riveting

[modest slate]

brigandine takes less armouring skill and more tailoring skill but it's still hard

[modest slate]

grinding, filing, sharpening, polishing, fitting

etc ad nauseam

[misty cove]

yeah tahts why i wana start with sword sorta

cuz i dont think il be able to make shit like a pole hammer etc

[modest slate]

i wouldnt recommend even thinking of trying to make a sword unless you have a 2x72 belt grinder and a lot of time

this spaulder is the first piece of armour I ever made

[misty cove]

i have time

alot of it

and why a belt grinder in specific

[misty cove]

nice

[modest slate]

you can do it by hand but it's gonna fucking blow

[misty cove]

no but what are u gona like grind or

yk

[modest slate]

and a 1x30 belt grinder will be insufficient for a sword

[modest slate]

beveling, setting the apex, and sharpening

also low grit polishing before doing higher grit and wet polish by hand

[misty cove]

dang

[misty cove]

smh why

[modest slate]

too small

and you'll be swapping belts constantly because the belt is less than half the size of a proper one

[misty cove]

i dont have either ❤️

[modest slate]

for reference when you're done forging this is basically what you have

a big steel block in the vague shape of a sword

everything from there is grinding

[misty cove]

why the block of steel

[misty cove]

tbh i dont wana start with double edge swords cuz one edge is prolly easier

and faster

[modest slate]

start with knives

and once you get really good at that you can try making a smallsword

[misty cove]

ye il try

[modest slate]

because forging is just to get the shape

everything after that is refining

[misty cove]

no i mean near the handguard

[misty cove]

what if i try skiping straight to sword :Fire:

[modest slate]

oh iunno. i think the style of sword she's making is like a zweihander

so the extra block there is prolly for quillions/parierhaken

[misty cove]

oh maybe

[misty cove]

i saw a guy on yt

stacho wołoszyn

this guy

bro??

why cant i post the link

[modest slate]

oh i know that guy

[misty cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtJYHx2KZ_g

yeah

absolute peak

[modest slate]

hes in another discord im in pretty sure

cool dude

[misty cove]

?

where

[modest slate]

a community of armourers, blacksmiths, swordsmiths, artists, and tailors

I can't make invites tho

[proven kayak]

i did wrought iron stuff for a while, and made tools a co,uple times

nothing cool tho

[misty cove]

what if i start making shit like a knife

[modest slate]

this is Rosetta <333

[unique fjord]

That’s obviously a plastic bucket named Steve

[misty cove]

im having trouble selecting anvil ngl

its either i pick a shitty cast iron one or a used steel

thats mid

[modest slate]

8 or 10lb sledgehammer head and mount it in a stump

flat face up

[misty cove]

idk if thats a good idea

[modest slate]

i feel like i know what im talking about lol

[misty cove]

maybe

[misty cove]

bro i think i prefer just spending a bit more for an anvil

😭

[modest slate]

bro's gonna spend $700 on an anvil when he hasn't lit a forge yet

[misty cove]

700?

nah more like 50

[modest slate]

no anvil you get for $50 is going to be good at all 💀

actually they will be straight up dangerous

[misty cove]

well yeah but better then a sledgehammer head probably

[modest slate]

lol no

[misty cove]

?

wot

[modest slate]

cast iron doesn't dent or deform from stress, it fractures

[misty cove]

i think starting with railroad track woulkd be better then hammer head

[modest slate]

so you have shards of metal flying off that are usually sharp

[modest slate]

wrong

i started with a railroad track and if I could go back in time I'd use a hammer head instead

railroad track has a small working face and is too thin

to use it right you have to stand it up on end, otherwise the working face is very thin and gets damaged (and will chip much like cast iron), but when you stand it up on end there's barely any working surface

Again I've literally been doing this for half a decade

[misty cove]

how thin was urs

cuz america-europe might be diferent rail?

[modest slate]

the american ones are actually thicker lol

[misty cove]

oh

[modest slate]

(most) european rail is passenger focused while american is almost entirely focused on much heavier freight loads

[misty cove]

what if i bought a small anvil like this one

[modest slate]

im telling you the sledgehammer head is going to be your best option

[modest slate]

that's tiny

[misty cove]

sameish size as hammer no

[modest slate]

bigger, but less solid

it's a jeweler's anvil. It has a thicker face but the neck and base are thinner, so there's less actual mass directly under the workpiece (which is where you want the mass to be concentrated)

[misty cove]

buh

[modest slate]

you'll be paying more for something that's the same if not worse basically

[misty cove]

uhh

intersting find

lol

[modest slate]

what in the facebook marketplace fuck

[misty cove]

yeah i dont even know

[modest slate]

😭

[misty cove]

metal.

that shit weighs like 300kg i think

or he has like a few of those

[modest slate]

honestly that might be decent if it's actually steel and not cast iron

[misty cove]

idfk

[modest slate]

but if you're paying for 300kg of steel atp just get an actual anvil

[misty cove]

yeah lol

but like fr what is this

[modest slate]

the craigslist special

[misty cove]

real

[misty cove]

how much is an actual like idk 22kg anvil

or something

not cast iron

[modest slate]

the closest thing I can think of that isn't a thin jewelering anvil is the cast steel harbor freight anvil

[misty cove]

im curious how u even do this

[modest slate]

honestly more common than you think

[misty cove]

i guess

[modest slate]

that looks like one of the old german anvils which means it's been around since uhhh

anywhere from the 1400s to the 16-1700s

after centuries of use it's not entirely surprising

[misty cove]

tissue issue im not from america ❤️

i guess used is the way to go if i want an anvil?

[modest slate]

nowadays probably

https://www.texasfarriersupply.com/shop/forging-supplies/anvils-and-accessories/anvils/blacksmith/tfs-100lb-blacksmith-anvil/p/14068

this is the one I have, I got it for about $700 after shipping

now it's about $940 before shipping

[misty cove]

damn

10 dolars per pound

wtf

[modest slate]

new anvil prices

I bought it straight from factory

because I didn't want an old one

[misty cove]

insane not gona lie

[modest slate]

but yeah the price went up a lot

was way more reasonable when I got it, almost half of what it costs now

[misty cove]

500-600 like

okay i guess thats a bit bad but for a brand new one its okay

940 before shipping is insane tho

like

thats a car almost

[modest slate]

for a brand new one that's a very reasonable price

[misty cove]

okay but its insane for me 💔

[modest slate]

it isn't their fault

[misty cove]

idk about that but ok

[modest slate]

it's not the company's fault

they're US based. It's the current administration's fault for their countless tariffs and getting rid of a large amount of our working class so now raw materials cost more and labor is harder to find

[misty cove]

why the fuck are 5kg sledgehammers this expensive

@modest slate

i found a block of steel or iron idk which one yet

says steel

150 złoty

[modest slate]

why the fuck are so many people in poland just selling big ass blocks of metal 😭

[misty cove]

yes

[misty cove]

i think thatd be good for an anvil regardless of the way its laying eh?

[modest slate]

you could do worse

[misty cove]

?

[modest slate]

It's not bad

[misty cove]

yeh

its realy cheap

[modest slate]

a little small I think, my polish is pretty rusty
but bigger and more solid than a lot of things at that pricepoint

[misty cove]

alot bigger lol

[modest slate]

dlucosc is length, szerokosc is width, and grubosc is height right

or is it thickness

[misty cove]

grubosc is thickness ye

[modest slate]

like i said, my polish is rusty

I learned enough to kind of hold a conversation ish with a healthy amount of gesturing and pointing

[misty cove]

alr

i think i might buy this

[modest slate]

if it's steel then it should be fine

[misty cove]

and if its cast iron

then is it not fine :/

[modest slate]

if it's cast iron then it can be dangerous and I'd pass

as I said, steel dents and deforms, but cast iron chips and fractures and that's a good way to get cut or lose an eye

[misty cove]

mmmm

shiii

[modest slate]

cast iron is especially ass for blacksmithing because it can crack and fracture through both impact and thermal shock

its ductility is already too low, heat makes that worse

[misty cove]

well he sadi its ''steel sheet''

so..

its fine?

[modest slate]

if the core is iron and the working face is steel then it'll still be ok

but full steel would be preferable

[misty cove]

you cant complain for like 33 dollars

[modest slate]

you can when it involves safety lol

[misty cove]

42 actualy

[modest slate]

oh shit you play grave digger?

[misty cove]

a bit

[modest slate]

based

[misty cove]

okay game not that great

[modest slate]

nah its fire

[misty cove]

nerfed lancer :/

[modest slate]

sort of

they nerfed the charge but buffed the axes a LOT

[misty cove]

not sort of lol

[modest slate]

• gave him the painkiller injector

[misty cove]

i remember with the player injectors yk

at start

and with greyhound lancer was fucking fast

alr ima go sleep

i think ima buy this fucken block of metal

[modest slate]

greyhound was just broken tbh

before they nerfed the charge

[misty cove]

IT dont matter what like fire place thing il get right

?

[modest slate]

it does

regular fires don't burn hot enough

[misty cove]

No like

[unique fjord]

Try jet fuel

[misty cove]

https://share.google/YY7MGEIAjsI2UDjDl

[unique fjord]

Heard it magically can melt steel

[misty cove]

This thing

With coal

[modest slate]

get a wood box, fill it with dirt