irl-weapons

[cursive temple]

I also have a big iron on my hip

[ocean pike]

Hear ye hear ye

[cursive temple]

What model/year sig is this

[lone moss]

P220 sport from the mastershop in Germany circa around 2010 ish?

[cursive temple]

Very nice, Im in need of a new ccw lol.

[lone moss]

Look no further

[cursive temple]

Damn I dont recognize the interior

Chrysler? 60s?

[lone moss]

Indeed

I’ll see if you can guess it lol

[cursive temple]

Imperial

Prolly mid 60s or some shit I assume

[lone moss]

Yep 64

[cursive temple]

Good shit

I know this a weapons channel but I got some 50s sleds

[lone moss]

Nice shoebox that thing is sweet

[cursive temple]

Im up north so the floor is pretty shot on it, but its got the original flathead v8, still kicking

[lone moss]

You and me both brother, trying to find anything rust free is a pita and pricey

[carmine tide]

Imagine living in Dearborn Michigan

[lone moss]

Brother don’t even way too close to home

[carmine tide]

What's your call to prayer song sound like

[lone moss]

Thankfully I don’t have to deal with that area because I don’t live there

But 45 mins away is too close

[carmine tide]

60% of Michigan is a pvp enabled zone

[lone moss]

With that way people drive here yeah basically

[cursive temple]

Im in the Dakotas

Its a wasteland

[lone moss]

Ah so just drunk injuns

[cursive temple]

Ya basically just -20 degree wind

[lone moss]

That was like my biggest memory of going to South Dakota

[carmine tide]

Why would you willingly go to the midwest

[lone moss]

Just stopping this in this bum town and just seeing drunk Indians all over the place and in front of the liquor and gas stations

[cursive temple]

Sums it up perfectly

[carmine tide]

Fun fact liquor stores cant sell to aboriginals in australia

[lone moss]

Incredibly based

[carmine tide]

Its illegal for the natives to buy alcohol

[lone moss]

I only went to see Rushmore, crazy horse and a few other things

[carmine tide]

An Australian coke head told me that

[lone moss]

It’s sad because it’s actually really pretty but there isn’t fucking shit

[errant crystal]

my new sniper

what range do u guys think i can go 800yards maybe 😉

[sleek wing]

wepon

[errant crystal]

no its a tool im the wepon XD

[blazing temple]

@timid belfry slabby your children escaped the box again

[carmine tide]

Life is like a door bc it cant swim

[molten crypt]

cope

[blazing temple]

bad redname! bad!

back in the box

[next hill]

[unique fjord]

Yikes new red person

[unique fjord]

Life is like the Russian soldier trying to break down that Ukrainian door and never could.

[rocky valley]

Popped the new grips on

[echo cairn]

Very smex

[ocean pike]

Almost done

[echo cairn]

I mean, whats left??

lam?

[ocean pike]

Dot and lam

[echo cairn]

You gana offset the dot? and what lam?

[ocean pike]

12 o clock and prob an iris

or maybe move the mawl over idk

haven't gotten that far

[echo cairn]

I mean with a 3x you wont really see the back of the iris. But mawl would be drip

[errant crystal]

do anyone here have a troy TRX battle rail ?

[rocky valley]

Sheeeeesh

[echo cairn]

$7800 poorer today

[lunar marsh]

Get robbed?

[scenic jetty]

lam on an ar10 thats something

[echo cairn]

nods

[lunar marsh]

Why? We put PEQ2s on our M14s in Iraq lol. It works

[ocean pike]

I run everything I own at night lol I enjoy having the capability

Also NV clip on

[scenic jetty]

i mean thats the military tbf

plus im surpirsed it held zero

[echo cairn]

You have one??

[ocean pike]

Not atm

Sold my pvs-27

[echo cairn]

I was ab to say

[scenic jetty]

i have one laser and one gun id run at night

[echo cairn]

I'd love a good ole 27 on the AI

[ocean pike]

I'm probably gonna offload a few lams here in the future and just replace them with iris-3's

Unless something even better pops up before then

[echo cairn]

I doubt it tbh. Only company that proob can beat it for $1k is...holosun

[ocean pike]

Watch sms drop some absolute duty grade banger

[echo cairn]

True. Whats up with the trinity? I havent heard anything ab it in a while. Is it not good or sum?

[ocean pike]

Haven't heard anything bad about it really. Other than the diffusers were cracking during shipping but I'm certain that's been fixed

[rocky valley]

Now she just needs a can

[lone moss]

Mark 4 with no can looks so weird now to me

[floral veldt]

Imagine being able to can your MK IVs

[plush warren]

imagine imagining imaginary imagery

[modern sandal]

Imagine no more

I be shooting random critters with mine

[floral veldt]

Cans are a nogo here, I live vicariously through you guys in many ways

[oblique tiger]

holy weaponry you got more weapons than i have in my stash

[proven badger]

Fuck my wallet

I’m not going to do it

[unique fjord]

yeah no point its 556

[round sentinel]

That’s true correct chambering

[modern sandal]

i think you mean "there's no point, its an AK anyways"

[unique fjord]

Needs to be gods caliber

[unique fjord]

PSA fud spotted

[proven hearth]

Gods only caliber is .45 Colt

If you think otherwise you're stupid.

[unique fjord]

Clearly havnt heard of 762.39

[proven hearth]

You actually are brainrotted my god

[round sentinel]

It is

It’s a beryl not a normal AK lmao

[unique fjord]

Says .45 acp only fud lol

But I’d assume you’re like 17 or something

Never seen someone so triggered before you need your blue safe space again

[proven hearth]

.45 colt isn't .45acp. Lmao. Maybe someday you'll learn

[blazing temple]

Ignoring literally everything else wrong with that statement

Calling a caliber "god's caliber" does definitively limit it to a single caliber. So yes. .45 Colt only would be true

[echo cairn]

Yall mfs

[blazing temple]

god forbid someone on the internet possess basic reading comprehension skills

[rocky valley]

Based

[soft bay]

Please capitalize the G in God. Thanks

[cursive temple]

wouldnt .45 acp and .45 colt still be considered the same caliber

[round sentinel]

🏳️‍🌈

[round sentinel]

Literal caliber as measurement, yes. Caliber as a colloquial term for cartridge, no

It’s used a ton in the latter context

[distant wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ciKDQjP4jHk damn

Tarkov when?

[round sentinel]

caring about tarkslop

I do kinda wanna get a ps90 setup with the chassis

[spare meteor]

No .45 colt or LC *long colt is the revolver round.

.45 ACP was created by the Almighty John Browning for use in the 1911 because .38s weren't putting drug hopped up islandlers down

@cursive temple

The ACP means Automatic Colt Pistol

[lone moss]

Also to note, since it is different .38 LC in this comparison

[white estuary]

Caliber technical term yes , because we use caliber as a vernacular for cartridge or chambering.

Technically they are the same caliber but are different cartridges

Much like 7.62x25 and 7.62x54r

[round sentinel]

Yuh

[cursive temple]

Ya I know they're different cartridges, its just funny hearing the argument about what gods caliber is when they're the same "caliber"

[hushed salmon]

The hell did I stumble into

[cursive temple]

Semantics

[proven badger]

Do I try to sell off my chinese sks and yugo sks for the beryl

I just hate letting go of guns

[modest hatch]

Anyone heard of/have experience with Disruptive Tactical ARs? Recently came across one for sale for what seems to be a good price, but I can't seem to find much as reviews go aside from the handful of reviews on their product website.

I've also never heard of them till I came across this AR

[round sentinel]

No name mystery meat AR, prob best to avoid

Unless you find out who OEMs the parts

[lone moss]

^

[rocky valley]

Just buy an lmt

[blazing temple]

more than anything making fun of the guy that read 45 colt and decided that meant 45acp

[modest hatch]

Apparently they do.
I found what I would be buying on their site.
https://www.afionline.net/dt15-mk18-pistol.html

[lone moss]

I would pass and buy from literally any other reputable brand that sells AR’s

[modest hatch]

Just because its an unknown and better to be safe?

[lone moss]

Correct

Also if you have any warranty issues you won’t get fucked in the long run

[modest hatch]

That's a good point.

[lone moss]

I can’t even find a single Reddit post about them either which is super odd

[modest hatch]

What I've narrowed down is their main market is LEO/Feds which tracks with who I would be buying it from. But yeah that's why I'm a little confused

I know who I'm buying it from and I trust them, but I'm trying to evaluate this being as unbiased as possible.

[scenic jetty]

You would be better off looking for deals then buying from them

[rocky valley]

LEO agencies often buy the low bidder not the best

What do they want for a rifle?

I’m sure we can give you some alts at the same price point that are good to go

[modest hatch]

1200 w/optic, forward grip, upgraded pistol grip and brace from stock

This is it

[lone moss]

You could easily build something much nicer for that price imo

[rocky valley]

For $1200 you could just build a rifle get a cheap stripped lower put a nice trigger on it and slap a BCM MK2 ELW upper on it.

[rocky valley]

I would say that rifle is a hard pass for $1,200 Id maybe pay 700 but that's only because I have a good rifle already and it would just be a fun gun

[scenic jetty]

Dsarms has some good deals on lowers right now

[jaunty crane]

the stamp to SBR right now is free
take advantage of it before dems make it 500 like they are in virginia

[rocky valley]

Legit tha same thing for 400

[scenic jetty]

Would be a little skeptical on this though

[spare meteor]

What brand is it?

[modest hatch]

Disruptive Tactical

[scenic jetty]

Wait aero actually has stuff in stock on there website?

[rocky valley]

Id be skeptical of the shit he sent for $1,200 Buddy could buy the combo i sent an optic and light for that price shit if he built the lower himself hed save even more but this way its just the takedown pins

[scenic jetty]

Yea that is true

[spare meteor]

My buddy has used and abused his 300 dollar 16" PSA and fed it nothing but wolf steel case .223 and it's still running fine

With an Amazon scope he went 30/30 on a steel target at 300 yards it was pretty funny.

At a long range fun steel shoot all these fancy bolt actions and he just mag dumped that target 🤣🤣

[rocky valley]

Time to time but I can normally get a stripped standard aero lower for $75 from my ffl

[rocky valley]

Id like to see the car facts

[scenic jetty]

That’s not a bad price honestly

[ocean pike]

Griffin just ended their bogo sale on their mk1 lowers

[rocky valley]

Not at all. I love my lgs

[ocean pike]

That was a steal

[spare meteor]

I'll have him send some pictures it was hilarious though

[scenic jetty]

I got the dsa lower for about the same price with the ffl charge

[spare meteor]

https://www.afionline.net/shop/tactical/guns/dt15/

Why are these all so expensive what's different about them?

I've never understood what's different on cheap mid tier and high tier ARs?

[scenic jetty]

Would be interesting to see

[rocky valley]

I mean shit I think this lower was like 300 to build but it has a decent trigger in it

[carmine tide]

apparently virgina is putting a state tax on suppressors

[rocky valley]

This was my worry when they went to 0

Should have abolished the stamps and nfa while we had the chance

Legalize civilian AT4's

[carmine tide]

its 500

[rocky valley]

So like half the price of the can thats fucking wonderful

[carmine tide]

can the supreme court rule a state law/tax unconstitutional?

[modest hatch]

I do appreciate the assistance and opinions on the mystery AR manufacturer. I got some thinking to do.

[rocky valley]

Also for a few more dollars you can just get a solgw ar best warranty in the game

[carmine tide]

hk

larue

geissele

[rocky valley]

SOLGW will replace your rifle and the accessories while its in evidence if you use it in a justified shooting

No other mfg will do that

[scenic jetty]

Hk overpriced as fuck

[carmine tide]

solgw also advertises to ice protestors

[scenic jetty]

Hk is anti 2 a so

[rocky valley]

Oh? Directly or the ad company targeted them

HK is overpriced Larue is ehh Geissele is just expensive but god are they good

[modest hatch]

My decision is going to boil down to my bias I've been withholding. This was one of the guns my friend's late father owned and he wants it to end up somewhere it will be cared for and shot plenty.

[carmine tide]

was done in the podcast with the ceo basically said "we want liberals to buy our guns"

[rocky valley]

Why doesnt your friend want it?

[modest hatch]

He's moving and won't have the room. May end up across the pond in Europe.

[rocky valley]

I mean from a business prospective more customer sis better and more people especially liberals should learn about guns so they stop trying to fucking ban them

[carmine tide]

the liberals buying guns and the liberals wanting to ban them are two different groups

[rocky valley]

Well you know what they say you go far enough left you get your guns back lmfao

[carmine tide]

the ones buying them are militant and i want fewer loot drops

[rocky valley]

Yeah you right

They are loot drops you see the way they "train"

They are the stockless youtube short type gun owners lmfao

[ocean pike]

$500 tax on suppressors and additional 11% tax on firearms and ammo

[lone moss]

So stupid

[ocean pike]

So a 16.3% tax on the sale of firearms and ammo lol

[carmine tide]

I thought Virginia was mostly rednecks

Oh wait unions

[ocean pike]

Virginia is mostly stupidly rich people who think with emotions rather than facts

[carmine tide]

I'm thinking of wv aren't i

[ocean pike]

Yes

I mean SW VA is mostly rednecks too but they’re like 0.2% of the population

[scenic jetty]

Isn’t that most gun owners now just rich people who post on instagram or discord

Or hell even Facebook groups

[ocean pike]

Well if you look at the stats of gun owners in this discord it’s the opposite

[scenic jetty]

Your missing the point but sure

[ocean pike]

I know your point lol

[round sentinel]

Real take

[tranquil urchin]

man i wish real life had video game ballistics and recoil

[scenic jetty]

I’m pretty sure arma comes pretty close to that

[misty cove]

Arma reforgwr early on aka crash fest :)

[scenic jetty]

That is true

[misty cove]

Crashed every 4 mins

[trim comet]

first gun

wasr-10

was more excited for the crate than gun

[edgy kestrel]

That’s valid

[round sentinel]

Good choice

[lone moss]

Wow finally something that’s not shit

[round sentinel]

Kek ikr

[unique fjord]

We need to ban voting for the nova people or integrate them into DC

Three cities deciding the commonwealth is sadge

[jade solar]

Isn’t majority of the population found there though?

[thorny flame]

total bullpup death

☝️

i think the winner of this might be something surprising though

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[slim quest]

5.45

[unique fjord]

Now go convert it

[thin cypress]

Facts

[unreal relic]

count me in

[scenic jetty]

isnt most of the people that have posted have normal stuff

[round sentinel]

The ones that stay yeah

We bully out the roach buyers every few days or so

[scenic jetty]

tbf i wanna try the tisas 1911

the m45 clone thing

[round sentinel]

Ew

[thorny flame]

n i c e

hope vortex is bringing some shit because NF is about to eat that segment

[ocean pike]

Waiting to see what street price is on these. That's going to determine how much they really sell tbh

[thorny flame]

looks like

1600-1800?

[ocean pike]

MSRP is 1800

[thorny flame]

bigger ones are like 2200

but all of the reticles are sensible

[ocean pike]

The Illum 2-12 reticle is bonkers

[thorny flame]

what it should have been all along

[proven badger]

Make sure you clean your gun good after shooting that

I have the exact same ammo and it will cause surface rust

[echo cairn]

I'm prob gana get the 2-12 for a spr

1-6 doenst looks bad either but at 1x its kinda ass

[timid belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-dog-funny-animals-excited-gif-21091952

[scenic jetty]

i have the trijicon credo 2-12

like it alot

@round sentinel what do the usps go for now ?

[twilit tendon]

??codes

[river onyx]

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[carmine tide]

Depending on model 1k-1800

[mossy surge]

Something surprising like an ar platform hahaha never understood forcing a bullpup on general infantry..

[thorny flame]

i mean maybe the NARP or something

whoever will have to agree to mfg locally

[hushed salmon]

The tavor made sense for us. I still don't get why we scrapped it though. I assume money.

[thorny flame]

it's always cost

[hushed salmon]

Yep.

[thorny flame]

plus just from like a training perspective

ergonomic/manual of arms situation

[mossy surge]

Oh don't get me wrong I know there's very good bullpups out there like the tavor, I just don't see the need for a more complicated weapon with a different operation in standard infantry, would it not be better to train soldiers with standard firearm designs as to make them more dynamic on the battlefield.

That's specifically for general infantry though, special forces, police etc yeah they can play with whatever ofc.

[thorny flame]

right but all those guys have ARs so what's the point

lmao

[hushed salmon]

If you're trained on it from the get go it's not an issue. We only run into that problem in reserves where soldiers who had the tavor their whole service are issued M16/M4 and are clueless.

I wouldn't call it inherently a more complicated firearm. But the availability and simplicity of the AR platform just makes me wonder why even consider anything else ever.

[mossy surge]

Yeah the "soldiers who had the tavor their whole service" is the point I was trying to make, if we for example take a look at a current conflict that shall not be named then looting weapons is a very common occurence and the competence of general infantry is far from high, if one of the sides would've used a bullpup as their main service weapon in training you'd run into this issue a lot.

[hushed salmon]

You mean Russia Ukraine?

[mossy surge]

Yeah, but I know the mods here don't like us talking about it, or politics in general.

[hushed salmon]

I think examples to make a point is ok.

But yes that makes sense.

Ukraine issues so many types of rifles it's wild. Even their own version of the tavor

The malyuk bull pup which I haven't seen photos of in the field for years since the start

[mossy surge]

Yeah you can find every gun imaginable in that conflict, a lot of cool and very out of place firearms, and of course very very old stuff.

[hushed salmon]

Not sure what the allocation is. Probably special units like you said. But they long dried up. Mostly see ARs now over anything else other than AK of course

[hushed salmon]

What the lmao

[mossy surge]

I have no idea where they found that hahaha so out of place in a damn war zone

[hushed salmon]

I saw a foreign volunteer unit with ACR's last week.

Tons of CZ Brens

[mossy surge]

nice

Americans in the international legion maybe?

[hushed salmon]

I don't recall. English speakers though ya

[round sentinel]

very good bullpups

Not really. There’s dogshit bullpups (most of them), and serviceable bullpups

The best bullpups to exist still are about on par with a basic bitch 556 that isn’t an AR

[hushed salmon]

What parameters contribute to a bullpup being serviceable

They're all inaccurate. They all lack intuitive accessory space.

[round sentinel]

Reliability and part life namely

Best examples being the Tavor and VHS

They just kinda work, even if they both leave a fair bit to be desired

[hushed salmon]

Ok fair

[round sentinel]

They are on the same tier to me as something like an AK or G36. Functionally perfectly adequate, but an AR or other modern platform will just be better

[mossy surge]

I mean I think you got to take into account the purpose of a bullpup in the first place, in my opinion it's not meant to replace your standard service weapon for the infantry, it's a specialized design for situations that require high power compact firearms. which there are many of that are not in a bullpup configuration to be fair.

I've personally never been a fan of bullpups but I do get the idea

[round sentinel]

It’s absolutely mostly always been meant to replace the standard rifle. So they could use cheap shittier ammo without needing a full size M16 or similar length kek.

It’s a shift I don’t agree with either. Bullpups mainly make sense in a carbine or AMR format where you can truly maximize barrel length to OAL benefits

While not specifically this one, this general shortpup format is exactly where the length benefit truly shines and lets you actually fully maneuver in a vehicle or through doors

[hushed salmon]

Like my micro

[round sentinel]

Long

Not short enough

[mossy surge]

I was under the impression that the steyr aug for example was designed specifically to provide better maneuverability in tight spaces like armored vehicles and cqb in general.

[round sentinel]

The Aug is a fucking pos

Lmao

But yes it was. It’s still the length of a full conventional carbine

So, still p damn long

[mossy surge]

It's an example of an early at least somewhat functional bullpup and the reason for it's design

[round sentinel]

Definitely

[hushed salmon]

It's shorter than your l85 with suppressor !

[round sentinel]

It’ll be about the same length actually

[hushed salmon]

Need this carry handle for the vhs

[round sentinel]

That’s how short my L22 is

[mossy surge]

I don't think the engineers and company as a whole of bullpup weapons is going to start arguing with the army if they decide to arm everyone with your specialized design though

[hushed salmon]

The l22 was a very specialized version. Pilots or something no?

[round sentinel]

Quite the reverse. The companies will be arguing with the army to adopt it

Kek

And the army won’t want to

[round sentinel]

Yeah. Pilot, armored, SF etc

Naval units used it a decent bit

[mossy surge]

Yeah, so here we are supplying everyone with a gun that's meant to be used by not everyone

[round sentinel]

I’m with you lol, I don’t think bullpups are a good general purpose gun until we fix a bunch of flaws with them

[hushed salmon]

Well infantry have the l85. In theory the l86 would've been the lmg

[round sentinel]

We had the chance to finally have a good one but no. Leave it true velocity to fuck that up

[hushed salmon]

Which

[round sentinel]

I fucking wanted it so bad

The RM277, the XM7 competitor

It wouldn’t have ever been adopted. But man I wanted it civ side

[blazing temple]

For some reason I have been reminded today that I need a FG42

[round sentinel]

Fantastic rifle design held back by a shitty ammo company

Even in 308 it shot flatter than a M4

On full auto

[hushed salmon]

Oh right.

Thing was OP in battlefield 2042

[round sentinel]

Kek

It fixed the biggest issue with bullpups tho

Controls

All the controls were at the grip and good ones at that

[hushed salmon]

Mag release looks similar to the original tavor style? On the mag well. Or is that the bolt release.

[round sentinel]

Mag release is the front lever

Bolt lock/ release is pistol style

[round sentinel]

Having controls in front and back is kinda essential for failure too

If something in the linkage fails

[hushed salmon]

They couldn't decide what to do on the tavor. AR style to drop free. Or mag well release if you're going to strip anyway

And both, increased failure rate

[round sentinel]

Both is better actually

[hushed salmon]

I think so too

[round sentinel]

Because the added rear engagement doesn’t detract from reliability at all

And in case of failure in the linkage assembly, the rear release allows the user to still use the gun

I need to really sit down and work on my ground up bullpup design

Cause I was working on the bolt assembly last and it’s been going ok

[misty cove]

you should make a 1911 welrod

[round sentinel]

That’s basically already what I own

Kek

I just need the suppressor

[blazing temple]

Better than a 1911 welrod

[round sentinel]

Real

[modern sandal]

Bullpups are so wild to me

I shot that tavor and dumped a mag through it

Hated it

Gassy as fuck, and just recoil impulse was so weird

[round sentinel]

Kek

[blazing temple]

We heard you liked gun so we put more gun behind your gun so you can have more gun per gun

[round sentinel]

I really like the way my L22 shoots. That actually shoots nice af

[modern sandal]

Genuinely felt like shit to shoot

[round sentinel]

I can’t stand the tavor either

Even the Geissele trigger is dogshit

[misty cove]

more square gun per gun

[modern sandal]

Trigger wasn’t great either, also bolt release was really weird

[round sentinel]

It’s like shooting a bullpup Bren 805. But worse

[modern sandal]

I want to try one of those keltec RDB’s

[round sentinel]

Real

[modern sandal]

I’ve heard they are good but I genuinely am not a fan of how little you can mod them

I don’t like the keltec rubberized grips

If I wanted a rubber grip I’ll order a hogue

Just give me an A2 grip or something not that gay

[blazing temple]

If you've heard keltecs are good I have a sub2k to sell you

[round sentinel]

So the ‘issue’ with the RDB is that it’s cheaply made

The design itself is competent

[modern sandal]

Yea I rather blow my nuts off with a dagger or P320

[round sentinel]

The polymer is absolute dogshit tier

[modern sandal]

I’m still wanting to try an AUG

[blazing temple]

Good cause I'm not selling the sub2k anyways it's too funny

[round sentinel]

The FCG is inconsistent per example cause it uses a lot of stamped cut pieces

But it’s a fine trigger

[round sentinel]

Man if you think the tavor is bad

[modern sandal]

I just hate the fact that they are 2 racks and I don’t have any rental ranges near me

I’d have to do the flat top

I’m gonna do some fuck shit here soon and buy one of those goofy ass bear creek uppers that are bolt action

Replace the barrel and forearm and build a 8.5” pistol to suppress

[round sentinel]

Lmao

[modern sandal]

Just to throw in the truck when I’m going to work

[round sentinel]

They are so stupid but honestly it’s neat

[modern sandal]

I’d like to take an adjustable gas block and a bolt with that bolt handle and be able to swap between bolt and semi

Prob wouldn’t work how I’d want it to

[round sentinel]

Well actually theoretically this is plausible. Consider

[modern sandal]

Tbh I could do the side charger and do that

[round sentinel]

Bolt handle detents into a down locked position which disables the gas system and provides a safety lug in case it still goes off. Pushing it into the up position just turns it into a side charger

Kek

[misty cove]

whats with keltec guns and looking like they are 3d printd

[modern sandal]

Coke

[round sentinel]

They don’t?

They are just cheap injection molded parts. They are like nerf gun tier plastic with extra texture

[misty cove]

i mean yea

[modern sandal]

Tbh a side charger with the adjustable gas block when you shut it off should act like a bolt action right

[hushed salmon]

How dare you

[round sentinel]

No im sorry it’s like. Objectively bad

[misty cove]

factual

[modern sandal]

My biggest complaint with these are if you get a malfunction you better have a screwdriver cause you’re done for a bit

[round sentinel]

The break has a lot of creep and squish, albeit light. The reset is one of the spongiest, least tactile, worst reset I have ever fucking felt

[misty cove]

why is there so many pins

[modern sandal]

Idk

[round sentinel]

Even the fucking zip 22 has a better trigger

[misty cove]

more worth then the rest of the cahssis

[modern sandal]

Unfortunately I want one of these for a meme

[misty cove]

shitty air rifle trigger> bullpup

?

[hushed salmon]

You mean the trigger pack or The trigger bow. Both can be upgraded. The first gen tavor triggers were simply the worst ever. 11lb pull. Second gen lowered to a more appropriate 7lb in line with most milspec rifle triggers.

[round sentinel]

They are funny

[modern sandal]

Like I really want to get one for a meme to shoot squirrels with

[round sentinel]

With both

[hushed salmon]

And you still hated it. Damn.

[round sentinel]

The old factory is even worse tho yeah. But even the Geissele just is not good

At all

[hushed salmon]

I mean. It's still crap lol

But better than factory

[round sentinel]

It’s usable but I will despise every second of using it

Kek

[hushed salmon]

I have the shooting sight trigger in mine. Geissele was too expensive.

[round sentinel]

Kek

[lone moss]

Don’t be talking shit on keltec

[round sentinel]

The AKB cope L85 lowers have a super clean trigger

Just the batch 1 was heavy

Batch 2-3 triggers are p damn good

[lone moss]

Keltec is my favorite company because they just actually do whatever the fuck they feel like doing and actually do something different and interesting

Even though it sucks ass

It’s fun

[misty cove]

nah

[round sentinel]

Honestly if they just put some money into making the polymers and machining better and bumped their prices

They would be great

[hushed salmon]

I love keltecs. They're so bad but so fun

[misty cove]

they couldve designed a carbine version for the pistol

atleast

smh

[lone moss]

Why

[misty cove]

becus

why not

[round sentinel]

Actually wait no the pole has a point

[lone moss]

Why the fuck would anyone want a stripper clip fed rifle

[misty cove]

c96 funy funy

[round sentinel]

Think of the 1912 machine pistol carbine

But Keltec

[misty cove]

or that

[misty cove]

also ppl do thats just an sks

lol

[round sentinel]

Notice how there’s only like two stripper capable rifles still in service

[modern sandal]

Literally any milsurp rifle

[round sentinel]

There’s a reason it died

[misty cove]

mmm

where in service

[round sentinel]

M14’s

[modern sandal]

And it’s what m21

[round sentinel]

Yeah

Any of the M14 family

[misty cove]

oh in usa

[modern sandal]

Even then they aren’t even able to be stripper fed because they’re setup for DMR’s

[misty cove]

the usa only had like what?

2 stripper clip fed guns?

[round sentinel]

And probably the French still have one of their bolties using it

[round sentinel]

Oh god no. Way more

[misty cove]

well the 1903 and m14

[round sentinel]

Hell the 1903 alone had 3 iterations of it

1917

[misty cove]

im counting it as one gun

[round sentinel]

M14’s

[misty cove]

cuz its just diferent models

[round sentinel]

Mini’s

[misty cove]

oh yea

[round sentinel]

Which have seen some use

[misty cove]

wasnt that for police

[round sentinel]

Mostly yeah

[misty cove]

man the m1917 is so cool

[round sentinel]

Real

Most the time the rail system replaces the clip dovetail block

Just depends on setup

[modern sandal]

4 if you want to count the pederson as its own

[round sentinel]

Kek real

Well technically 5 then

[modern sandal]

And even then it was just an A1

[round sentinel]

Cause pre pederson A1’s

Then A1/2’s with the feed port

[misty cove]

wasnt the peterson inserting a clip

like the hotchhis

[modern sandal]

I’m dying to get my grubby little hands on an M1A national match or loaded

[round sentinel]

No. It had a magazine

[misty cove]

oh yea

[modern sandal]

It had a mag on the side feeding at an angle and turned it semi auto

[round sentinel]

It was a little 30 cal magazine up and to the right of the action

Shits funny af

[modern sandal]

Thought it was left

[round sentinel]

Right side

Open port side

[modern sandal]

Because ejection was on right

[misty cove]

the bren is so cool

[round sentinel]

Left side was ejection

Thru the port cut

[misty cove]

ngl the bar is ugly

[modern sandal]

You should be beaten for this

[misty cove]

nah

brenj is beter

mostly cuz its czech

[modern sandal]

HCAR modern BAR my beloved

[modern sandal]

That makes it worse

[round sentinel]

It’s so silly

[hushed salmon]

Fck CZ

[hushed salmon]

Never buying anything from them again

Traitors

[modern sandal]

The only CZ’s I like are my 527 and 457

[misty cove]

CZ the company

?

[hushed salmon]

Yes

[round sentinel]

You won’t be buying from them again anyways with Canuck laws

[modern sandal]

If only they weren’t fucking FDE

[round sentinel]

[hushed salmon]

Czechia I have no beef with

[round sentinel]

Wait what was it CZ did

[hushed salmon]

Agreed to take all confiscated guns and destroy them

[misty cove]

theres black too but its also ultra ugly

[hushed salmon]

Eat my Jewish bazungas

[round sentinel]

Kek

[round sentinel]

Oh yeah that’s gay af

[ocean pike]

I have a sticker for this but I can’t use it

[hushed salmon]

@modern sandal did they discontinue the 527?

[misty cove]

beter then bar

[modern sandal]

A while back

[misty cove]

bren> bar

in looks and design

[hushed salmon]

It was colt Canada actually but z czowns them

[modern sandal]

I’ve shot that 527 a handful of times

I got it at a gun show a few months ago

I need to get some 40gr 223 and see if it likes them. It doesn’t particularly like the 55’s I have

[misty cove]

2 grain 223

velocity? idk like mach 10

[modern sandal]

Does someone make a 35 grain 223 round

[round sentinel]

Yeah, true enough

[round sentinel]

Bullet, yes

[modern sandal]

I know they do 30gr 22-250 I think

[misty cove]

why

[round sentinel]

223 rem loading, not sure off hand who makes one tho

[round sentinel]

Someone definitely does tho

[misty cove]

dvl looking ass

[modern sandal]

It would prob be hornady if so

[hushed salmon]

What a shame. It's my favourite rifle.

[thorny flame]

I just don't think this is possible, which is the problem

Not on a technical level, but as a function of cost

[modern sandal]

They make an absolute fuck ass 40gr or something in 22-250

It’s pushing over 4000fps

[lone moss]

Idk akb fixed a lot of my complaints with pups

[round sentinel]

Yeah, I absolutely agree

[modern sandal]

I like it so far, I want the 22 hornet model tho

[round sentinel]

It’s absolutely possible from a gun perspective. But it won’t be from a military/ casual ownership one

[thorny flame]

This has already been done though

[round sentinel]

Bullpup trigger complaints mainly come from two companies let’s be real

[thorny flame]

See the M17s

[round sentinel]

IWI and Steyr

And FN actually

So 3

[lone moss]

I think we are headed in the right direction where as tech becomes more advanced we are seeing new processes in place for manufacturing and designs

[thorny flame]

Remember, the technical features do not matter if you cannot build them

[modern sandal]

The first video was rough I was trying to record one handed. But the set trigger scares the fuck out of me

[thorny flame]

I haven't ever seen a K&M rifle in person

I'd like to shoot one

[lone moss]

Considering I’ve had an original m17 they are shit

[round sentinel]

I want a K&M

[lone moss]

Most crudely built bullpup ever

[thorny flame]

It's just impossible to compete with AR economies of scale now

[round sentinel]

I’ve heard actually great things about their current ones

[lone moss]

It’s literally a bullpup ar18 tube

[thorny flame]

Feature not a bug

[lone moss]

Not disagreeing

[thorny flame]

AR-18 isn't viable because of stampings

[round sentinel]

So, like 80% of bullpups

[lone moss]

Just saying I’ve literally had one lmao

[thorny flame]

A giant extrusion is the way

[round sentinel]

It is yeah

[thorny flame]

Which obviously, you know with the brn much later

[lone moss]

The recoil impulse also kinda sucks ass

[round sentinel]

As much as that guys theoretical bullpup design I disagree with, he had some good takes about using extruded uppers and handguards and doing final machining

[round sentinel]

Setting it up similar to a LMT mono

[thorny flame]

I just think he's too autistic for that project to get off the ground

You have to be a serbu/keltec type character

[round sentinel]

It was all theoretical. He was never going to make it

[misty cove]

man the automag pistols are so cool

aps still cooler

[thorny flame]

Well he was obviously trying to shop it around but there is no shortage of idea guys

Production is the only thing that matters

[round sentinel]

No, he wasn’t

[thorny flame]

Didn't he contact several folks?

[round sentinel]

He straight up said it was theory and he had no intention of making anything

[thorny flame]

That was his entire MO

[round sentinel]

He’s Canadian lmao

He can’t

He got hit hard for even making the video

[thorny flame]

Wait what lmao

[round sentinel]

It was all hand drawn cad looking files

They were not even real files because he could not possess them

Due to Canadian law

[thorny flame]

Why would he not come to the US

[round sentinel]

Because people have lives even in restrictive regions

It’s not that simple either

U.S. immigration is brutally difficult without getting marriage visa’s in

[thorny flame]

No one said it would be easy

But otherwise an impossible dream

[round sentinel]

Unless he had a PhD for specialized work, he could apply for 30 years and never get it

That’s the reality of immigration now

Even the marriage process is a nightmare and they are cutting countries from being allowed in left and right

[thorny flame]

Surely could have come down for some defense engineering gig or something

[misty cove]

how come so many places in north america are a shithole

?

[round sentinel]

Lmao no

[thorny flame]

Oh yeah I mean now you're fucked

[round sentinel]

Because that’s not a critical infrastructure job with specialized application usually

Not in the gun sphere at least

[thorny flame]

Communism

[round sentinel]

Once you get into the physics and specialty applications with darpa or comparable companies. That’s different

But they don’t hire visa

[thorny flame]

Definitely not the gun sphere, that's not a real field

[round sentinel]

Yeah

[misty cove]

lol what

[thorny flame]

I was thinking more lockmart or whatever

[round sentinel]

It’s usually the red states kek

[thorny flame]

I will not explain further

[round sentinel]

That are shithole poor

[misty cove]

ngl im gona try making swords this summer

is gona be fun ( i hope)

[round sentinel]

Any of the real cool stuff, is locked outta visa hiring due to clearances and foreign relations

Even with allied countries

[thorny flame]

Oh we are definitely not talking about the same guy

I mean the other silly bullpup guy

On a similar project

I was talking about this guy

Misinterpreted

[lone moss]

That the mbar guy?

[thorny flame]

Yeah not the cabbage dude

[lone moss]

Fuck that dude

He’s a compete dickhead and the reason the fosscad sub got shut down

[thorny flame]

It is interesting how close Canada man came close to the MDR

I don't think they can have those in Canada?

Obviously not now

[misty cove]

i wonder why they are so bad rn

[round sentinel]

Yeah we ain’t

This one is cool

[thorny flame]

[round sentinel]

The downward eject modular

[thorny flame]

We just have to annex Canada

[round sentinel]

Honestly if this gets real polishing and production. I’d buy it

This design is pretty impressive

It’s in a rough but functional state currently but that’s expected

[round sentinel]

Really?

It wasn’t all the illegal shit they did

[thorny flame]

Just a cesspool

[round sentinel]

It was. But there was some good stuff there too

[lone moss]

Yes

He got pissy because and got into argument with one of the mods over some shit and reported the whole fucking sub and it got shut down

It was a whole thing when fosscad got taken down

[round sentinel]

Bruh

That’s gay

[lone moss]

That’s why all of his Reddit accounts are deleted

[thorny flame]

Tho tbh

[round sentinel]

Kek

[thorny flame]

Did you see the bullpup mcx

I think that also sort of solves all these issues

[round sentinel]

Which one

Oh the actual production one

Yeah tho the MCX needs to not be dogshit

[thorny flame]

And this was like a decade ago

[round sentinel]

And solves is not a word I’d use

[thorny flame]

But that's more in the specialist category

[round sentinel]

It’s still a trashy layout

[thorny flame]

Well, tool room gun

But for the pdw niche

There's a reason it keeps coming up

[round sentinel]

Me when it’s still massive

L22 and Micron format stays winning

[thorny flame]

Always a size/shootability tradeoff

[round sentinel]

They are perfectly shootable kek

‘Oh no I can’t clamp it’

Yeah but it’s a 19in PDW. Who cares

Also. God bless brutal snow days

[modern sandal]

You can c clamp anything if you’re brave enough

[round sentinel]

This is all I’m gonna do today

[modern sandal]

I’m contemplating playing more new Vegas

[thorny flame]

I think unfortunately the steel case ammo wave will probably be the death knell for a lot of these projects

[round sentinel]

Honestly, yeah

[thorny flame]

Nobody will want to get off of normal SBRs

[round sentinel]

You talking steel hybrid, NAS3 etc

[thorny flame]

Yeah

After seeing recent numbers it's just inevitable

[round sentinel]

I mean you’ll get the same performance outta these tbf

[thorny flame]

They're already doing 100k+ PSI

[round sentinel]

A bullpup shorter than a smg with a 10.5 pushing 16in performance

A purpose built gun for those loads would be mega spicy

Conventional or bullpup

[misty cove]

the funniest build is the lucky big dumbass

[thorny flame]

Yeah I think someone probably will

[round sentinel]

Definitely

[thorny flame]

But it will be expensive and niche

[round sentinel]

There has to be a stray from the normal AR15 bolt for these loadings

The AR bolt is not designed for that pressure. You are actively pushing the edge of its safety factor

[modern sandal]

I’ve never been more disappointed by the anti material rifle until I went to death claw quarry yesterday

[misty cove]

lol

[lone moss]

I’m so sad it’s broken for amd currently

[misty cove]

its a good thing they dont let you wear power armor instantly

[thorny flame]

Yeah it will be a revised bolt but that's nothing new

[round sentinel]

Definitely

New BCG, buffer and barrel extension

That’s the ideal shift realistically

[modern sandal]

Mine crashes like once every hour or so

[hushed salmon]

I still to this day have no idea what the point of it is lmao

[lone moss]

Nah you straight up cannot even launch with amd right now they fucked up something in the last driver update

[round sentinel]

Longer cyclic stroke for the carrier to allow a longer and thus stronger bolt, shorter buffer and gas key like the OBC to pair with that

[modern sandal]

The set trigger?

It’s meant more towards a varmint hunting standpoint

I like set triggers on my muzzleloader

[hushed salmon]

@modern sandal your action is much smoother than mine

[lone moss]

Equate it to going single action on a revolver vs da

[modern sandal]

It’s butter smooth

[thorny flame]

I think we might see something new out of Europe

Once these cases get going

[echo cairn]

Based

[lone moss]

Idk we shall see, shot in 5 days though

[thorny flame]

I think they actually exist now

But we won't see guns for a few years

[echo cairn]

I need all the juicy deets

[lone moss]

I’m hella hyped again, shit was a lot of fun last year

[echo cairn]

Me and @lost drum are working on going next year

[thorny flame]

Better start taking your zinc and green juice now

[echo cairn]

That's gana be a long ass flight for me

[lone moss]

It’s like a 4 hour flight for me

[thorny flame]

To Vegas?

[lone moss]

I upgraded my seats this time

[thorny flame]

It's like 3 hours from anywhere

Make it a dank weekend obviously

[echo cairn]

That's a long flight since I've never flown

[lone moss]

I’m already 3k ballsdeep next year we want to rent a penthouse

[thorny flame]

Not worth someone else has a party going.

You'd be absolutely fucked by rates

[lone moss]

It’s irrelevant tbh, it’s more fun experience with friends thing

It’s just paper

[misty cove]

do casinos have like a fee

when youre withdrawing tokens or something

cuz i wouldnt be surprised cuz america

[thorny flame]

No the fee is you're in the casino

[lone moss]

It’s usually only if you hit the atm’s

If you have cash on you it’s a straight trade

[misty cove]

oh lol

[lone moss]

Sometimes if you’re using a player card at a table instead of chips it’s like 3-5% but most people just get chips

[misty cove]

do your winnings get taxed

[lone moss]

Only if you declare them on your taxes

[thorny flame]

You have to if you win a lot

[lone moss]

I got all of my money back last year + some just sitting at a blackjack table

[thorny flame]

They issue you W2s

Over $600

[lone moss]

Negative they do not

It’s 5k or more

Depends on the game

[thorny flame]

I think it got raised recently

[lone moss]

But card games it’s 5k iirc

[thorny flame]

Yeah there are a lot of rules

[lone moss]

I won 2500$ last year and did not get a w2

[blazing temple]

speaking of a lot of rules

"no tax on overtime"

BEYOND bullshit

I mean

I had low hopes in the implementation of such a bold claim to begin with but HOLY SHIT

[lone moss]

?

[blazing temple]

only eligible if you make less than 150k

only allowed up to I think its $12500 eligible income

its only on the "premium" for any overtime worked (in other words if you worked 1.5x only the 0.5x is eligible)

and it only counts any hours over 40 worked in a week but any sick leave vacation or other PTO used that week doesnt count towards your 40hrs

thats just what I can remember off the top of my head

[lone moss]

Works for me

[echo cairn]

They discontinued the scar, to release the scar

[proven badger]

how much snow is up there this morning 😭

[proven badger]

I swear FN is the most overpriced shit

[echo cairn]

I'd agree

[proven badger]

I actually fw the p90, to bad the round is trash

[echo cairn]

Having owned the pinnacle of scars, they just ain't worth it

[round sentinel]

Enough to be gay

[lone moss]

It’s not even that much snow

[proven badger]

We got a decent amount

[misty cove]

how much snow yall got/

[proven badger]

and it's like 11 degrees where I'm at so it will be staying

[round sentinel]

We got maybe 5in or so. And it’s blowing around everywhere so people are driving like dogshit

It’s not that bad tbh

[misty cove]

like 10 cm?

here we have like idk 20-30? idfk

maybe not that much

[proven badger]

Enough to cover my truck after I cleared it all off last night

[lone moss]

We got 7-8 inches yesterday

[misty cove]

lol

[lone moss]

And more this morning

Really not that bad

[proven badger]

I just wish it would stay for more than a week

[round sentinel]

It’s not

People just drive like ass and flying slows to nothing

Kek

[proven badger]

Last night people were actually driving like tards

Like going 5 mph

[blazing temple]

smh u need a steam deck

[thorny flame]

This was known as soon as they discounted the old one

[round sentinel]

Real. I do

[blazing temple]

its so nice

I mean I knew I would get use out of it even before the trip I bought it for

[round sentinel]

Safisfactory evening plays kek

[blazing temple]

but I've been surprised at how much I use it even at home

[proven badger]

The only game I play rn is arc raiders

[round sentinel]

Ew

[proven badger]

It’s fun

[round sentinel]

It’s gay

[proven badger]

First game I’ve enjoyed in like a year +

I only play multiplayer games

[blazing temple]

I wonder if my phone hotspot is stable enough for coop satisfactory while Im at work

[round sentinel]

Ew why

[round sentinel]

Kek no balls. Do it

[proven badger]

Because I like fucking with people and playing with my friends

[blazing temple]

just ask I've been playing a bunch at work lmao

I think I've made the money I spent on it back while using it at work already

[proven badger]

The only single player games I actually really enjoyed was the Uncharted series. I loved those games

[blazing temple]

the only problem I've run into is it uses upscaling in the default graphics config for satisfactory which the radiation effect absolutely NUKES

[round sentinel]

Bro you gotta play more than just the monthly slop lmao

[blazing temple]

I need to go through and reconfig because I could totally lower a bunch of settings given the screen size

[round sentinel]

Single player games are where it’s generally at

[round sentinel]

Oh yeah that doesn’t surprise

[proven badger]

I just don’t get a lot out of them tbh

My brain is cooked though. I used to play Fortnite a lot and it was constant action. Now my dopamine receptors are fried

[round sentinel]

I’m excited to do barotrauma with my group

[proven badger]

I’ve been playing a little arma reforger too

That’s one of the only games that I’ve kept coming back to in the past year

[round sentinel]

Oof

[proven badger]

The Vietnam mod is peak

[blazing temple]

I think I should start playing hell let loose again

[proven badger]

That game is fun when you have a team that wants to cooperate. It’s boring if nobody communicates imo

[blazing temple]

thats most of why I stopped playing it

[echo cairn]

Still funny

[blazing temple]

my group that had been playing it stopped and randoms are a lot harder to work with

but I get the wwii shooter itch every so often

[proven badger]

There’s one ww2 game I really miss

[blazing temple]

I swear

[proven badger]

And it’s kind of gay, it was just what I was playing at the time because it was free and I was young.

[round sentinel]

Cod 1-2

:)

[proven badger]

Heroes and generals

[blazing temple]

OH MY GOD HE SAID IT

[round sentinel]

He’s gay

Confirmed

[proven badger]

It was absolute slop but it was my slop

[thorny flame]

Also no shorty scar

[blazing temple]

H&G was my SHIT when I was like idk 12

[thorny flame]

Which defeats the entire point smh

[proven badger]

Same

[round sentinel]

Good. Fuck the scar

[proven badger]

I downloaded it on my dads work computer and got hooked

[blazing temple]

I was on a laptop at like 20 fps but I loved that game so much

I can hear the objective capture sound

[proven badger]

I actually kind of enjoyed the grind in that game for guns

Each gun actually felt different and worth grinding for imo

[blazing temple]

me too

OHK k98 my beloved

[proven badger]

That shit cooked

[blazing temple]

I never made it to the fg42 for my paratrooper

but I've been fiending for a game that includes paratroopers like that for so long

[proven badger]

I remember fucking people up with the thompson

[blazing temple]

also being able to shoot down the drop planes until they ran out and paras just had to spawn on the ground

[misty cove]

vintage story peak

[round sentinel]

Real

[thorny flame]

20 years to get the scar modernized is kinda rough though

[round sentinel]

I play it with my fiancée

It’s great

[round sentinel]

“Modernized”

It’s like. Up to 2018 standards

[blazing temple]

I will not lie and try to claim I didn't play 99.8% germany

[thorny flame]

I mean it's why they failed out of socom

[misty cove]

why am i playing like a mediaval pole

having a big ass wheat farm

🗿

[thorny flame]

FN didn't give a shit

Very perplexing situation

[misty cove]

and i cant find flax bruh

[proven badger]

I wish I could still play H&G man. Apparently you can still play older versions. There’s a discord I joined that walks you through the process but I haven’t gotten around to trying it yet.

[round sentinel]

Good. Total scar death

[round sentinel]

LMAO

Real

[blazing temple]

whatttt

[misty cove]

like

[misty cove]

nearly all of this is rye

a bito f pumpkin and then some random stuff like cabbage

so maybe 30ish rye

[round sentinel]

🙏

[misty cove]

cant find flax bruh

[round sentinel]

I’m super hyped for the fishing update god

[misty cove]

i havent cooked any food

like

fr i

im liek a caveman man

[round sentinel]

BRUH

he’s living off the berries

[misty cove]

nah

i picked a colder world

i deadass havent seen a singular berry bush

[round sentinel]

LMAO

[misty cove]

i spawned on a island with nearly nothing and starved like 5 times before i made a raft and got out of there

[round sentinel]

[blazing temple]

@proven badger I just looked and H&G is my #7 most played game on steam somehow

[proven badger]

Mine is #10

[misty cove]

farming is fun man

[proven badger]

Partially because I shared my original account with my brother and then made my own and restarted lol

[blazing temple]

Did it have a standalone launcher?

[misty cove]

my most played game is uh

war thunder\

[blazing temple]

don't say that

then I have to admit to that too

[misty cove]

lol

[lone moss]

Idek what my most played steam game is tbh

[proven badger]

It might have

[blazing temple]

it's not even close

[proven badger]

I can't remember honestly

Have you guys played the war thunder infantry thing?

[blazing temple]

steam says I only have 228 hours but theres no way thats right

no, and not going to

same reason I never tried enlisted

[proven badger]

Mine only says 84 hours. I was like wtf

[blazing temple]

I already play one gaijin game too many

[proven badger]

Is it bad or something

or just more grind

[blazing temple]

I've heard people say the WT Infantry closed beta test looked ok

A number of my friends played Enlisted and enjoyed it for a while

[misty cove]

enlisted is kinda dookie

i dont like it

and its so fucking like

[blazing temple]

I think it sounds like (no surprise, its gaijin) it has gotten worse with time