#beginners-assistance
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used to be easy for real money traders and market abusers to make cash
should i sell my green card on the flea or just keep it
its only like 3mil profit because fee is crazy
keep or offer for barter
If you play labs id keep
i got it on labs
I got one the other day and have no regrets keeping, if that helps
k
If you want like a thicc or something then go for it but I wouldn’t sell it for rouble
i despise green because of wallbangs
you can wallbang like everything on labs
but its got all the fun meds!
what here should i wait to sell on the flea market
thanks
Would anyone be able to help me with getting started on tarkov in a voice channel or something I have had the game for some time now but I always am very lost when I play tried to look up some videos but I was still lost 😂
what is a good beginner gun?
sks
SKS ps
ok
mf tryna be a fake bot nice
can you put sights on it
the OP-sks takes sights, but may not be available easily until level 10
well i wasnt expecting to run into 2 pmcs on woods as a scav
do you know the best ammo for it?
ps ammo
OFZ, Roler, Paracord, keep the tuschonka as it’s a task item and super hard to get
BP is best ammo, you may not be able to get it
did it wipe recently?
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The last wipe occurred on Dec 24, 2020. The date of the next wipe is unknown.
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The last wipe occurred on Dec 24, 2020. The date of the next wipe is unknown.
I have gone banckrupt
scav raids
bankrupt*
pistol only raids
i only have a sniper and like a ton of bullets
my advice still stands
kk
LOL
ha
keep
how do i sell it without paying millions
i dont do labs
iv played it once this wipe
do a barter
try for things people will have fir that are valuable, thicc weapon and item cases, graphics cards
for a friend
mabye ill get a case idk
where you find green card
how do i level up fast
are you comfortable killing scav bosses/raiders?
no im bad
in labs lmao
loot, kill scavs, survive raids
the one time i did it i found the green kard on a table
lucky
ya do barter
Do quests
what trader do u need for sicc case barter?
jaeger lvl 3
hi can any one help me on my first labs run
12 paracord 15 duct tape 15 blue tape 15 nails @sage heath
1 mil total
i't too scared to go alone
paracords are 20k
what do you do with Intel
around 1 mill for the whole thing yes
used to level up intelligence center in hideout
I somehow just fucking insta die no mater what i wear. I found a fucking full koround and got insta killed by some rat. Please help me
korund isnt insane armor
its not gonna protect you from dying
you think you wont die instantly irl if you get headshot with m61
you have to be more aware of surroundings
so you arent an easy headshot
i was shooting at him first lol
i spray half a mag and they fuck me in 3 bullets
they have better ammo
calibre and pen
This is actually what it comes down to though
cant wait for fucking flea
Lol its true
so i can stock up on ap and mpx and reck em
that ammo's expensive sounds like you spend alot of money on armor and not the right ammo
i dont have the flea
i have two tv110
thats it
and a 6b13
oh yea and that one slick my mate gave me
is caiman helmet good?
yes
id sell it
i honestly didnt know there were landmines on woods
i was just trying to do shootout picnic and was running to scav house
and stopped by ZB-014
well whatever i'll probably get it all back from insurance since i died in a bush
i just had to kill 3 more scavs
where can one get bigger alpha container
"beta" container is a barter, epsilon is acquired through completing the punisher questline, gamma is available through a more expensive version of tarkov, and kappa is available by completing all quests
no. gotta buy it from vendors/flea or find it in raid
that's pt good
and the big one is 200k
what is the fastest way to level?
is espilon the same capacity as gamma?
do tasks i would say
orr
do fac scav runs
i feel bad when i just dome some poor guy fully geared with a shotty
is level 6 with 1.3 million good
8 vs 9
absolutely. just do your best, dont worry about benchmarking yourself against others
yes but id say, dont stock on cash, spend it on hideout, use it on gear or barter items
lmao that just happened to me
what do i do in hideout
upgrade everything
you hide
like what should i upgrade
everything except bitcoin farm at this point
i have had enough of this shit
bitcoin farm is a waste of time
bitocin farm won't make you any money anymore since there won't be enough time for you to make bakc the investment
i just got insta fucked by a pmc cuz im a scav
how do i get all the batteries and stuff for upgrading
flea market
you find them or buy them
or finding them in raids
get to level 10
rush lvl 10, game gets better after that
ok
Different game after level 10
which map you know the best @magic mesa ?
customs
That’s my boy
go customs, run alongside the edge, pick up all caches, extract
kill scavs in the meantime if possible
k i have most of em memorized
is anyone able to teach me how to play
but please, please, remember this spot if youre running customs
theres an invisible sniper scav that will start shooting you the moment you ignore a warning sign
if you see a body on rails and a sign to the left, dont you dare to fucking go there
The body on the tracks is lootable though
so thats where i always die from lmao
ye i also thought theres a player all the time
this area if you can acutally see what is going on
should i do it as scav
ye
go as pmc, for XP
should i bring just a pistol or sks?
up to you, sks would be more reliable
just be careful around dorms, its a hotspot (many quests force you to go there, and theres a marked room, which spawns good stuff sometimes)
how often does expeditionary fuel spawn at the back of oli
with 1.6 mil and flea open, youll get a good lvl 4/5 gear for cheap and that will make you comfrotable in roaming the map, although it wont save you from most pmcs cause everyone runs ammo that just rapes lvl 6 armor
or just fuel in general
Emphasis on sometimes
ye, always bring armor
Gotta me able to protect yourself
helmet?
lvl 4 for ai, lvl 5 if youre not looking for pvp and lvl 6 if you want pvp
ok thanks
try to also bring headphones but, they differ between how they work, but id say avoid GSSH
they make everythign super loud, so youll get afraid of your own sounds and oyull end up crawling the entire map
it gives you a bad vision on how loud things are
i always run M32 no matter what tho
if im doing very passive stuff like loot runs, i like wearing the 6B3TM
someone tell my why i die in 0.1 ms
onetapped into face
it was the aimbot nikita scav
The worst
@magic mesa also be aware of scavs, a shotgun ai scav can obliterate your legs and arms from 50 meters, and other times theyll bug out and they wont even notice you
dont underestimate them
lol scav ai is so stupid at night time
true
one literally ran at me in my face
ok i will
i was under the bridge on customs, near the old gas, and a scav from old gas killed me with 2 buckshots through my lvl 4 armor, and it was an AI too
i wasnt even mad i just laughed
"thorax"
onetapped into thorax*
yes
Lol
still possible
Very
yes

wdym by needing a good ammo?
probs not old enough for flea
Lmao
huehuehe
good luck
can u even find thicc cases in raid bc if not how is someone suposed to trade for my green card
quest rewards
PSA: change your fucking fire mode to full auto when you pick up a new gun please
players get one thicc item and one thicc weapon per wipe
i traded both of mine for stuff
i just traded kills iwth some chad as a scav
i think a green and a taiga
i wouldve killed him but my ak was on semi auto mode
will some trade a thicc case for a green car at some point?
flash drive for quest gone 
and if so how long u think i will be wating for
I'll give you some of this D fuel
no idea, honestly. I was watching the markets pretty close and a lot of cards timed out while watching them
fucking hell i spend more money than i make and its just fustrating
this is part of why i recommend budget kits
rip ig ill wait then
nty
running rat rigs and skses, you'll get most of your stuff back and insurance
because i ran into a guy and the game just started stuttering while i was shooting him and i died
very nice
if u want a good budget gun run the ump
and ap ammo good gun good ammo not to much money
is the stm-9 any good?
low recoil, single fire only
i had a 6b3tm with an ssh and ak74 with BT
i dont love the ump
you should get most of that back, i'd guess
Baby poop rigs?
well i had very good stuff like water filters and electric motors
yes
so i am now upset
Can't get enough of em
well thats not LOSS, its just not profiting
ratnik > ssh
True
wait till you loose your first thermo :p
Ears and cheaper
poggers
I've yet to lose a thermal, when things get rough I throw it in a bush like a coward 
i feel like psp run safer on day because pestily showed himself doing it on night
i thought it was a safe run but now ppl are doing it
never got sniped with one? lucky
i have 200k left and its not going so well
i think im just gonna stop playing today
and try again tomorrow
scav runs on reserve can make a lot of $

12 minutes and im guessin 1 mil profit
but wouldve got more if i filled my rig
i just dont because being THAT overweight isnt safe on reserve
wtf i just got a mk 18 and a p90 in a customs
Noice
yup
i extracted so its in my stash
ash-12 gets the nosie award for those shells hitting the ground in my book
nothing quite like it
imagine if the sound quality of people above/below you was as good at the ash-12 ping
how tf do i put a sight on a stm-9
stm should have a rail on the upper receiver
Should go right on
What sight are you trying?
It'll take anything except dovetails
Hey pretty new to the game and have some experience anyone down to play?
thats why you should be using modify preset option
Is that an iron sight?
then it will show you what can be attached to that gun
It it's really giving you greif, it's not as if the STM needs the ergo
Hideout is important
is it the workbench?
ye
I second that, they're too expensive to pay off
air filter if you're rich
Hideout is a money pump, use it lol
hideout and traders (and for that levels) once you hit 40 and lvl 3 on most of the stuff life is easy
You should have lvl 4 rep by the time you're 40 if you do your quests
there are 3 breaking points imho: lvl 10 flea
finishing punisher and lvl 40 (max loyalty on traders)
i have enough rep for all the traders but not levels except ragman and peacekeeper
and maybe jaeger
well jaeger just needs 1 last quest
yeah he is a **** to level
And unless you play labs, it's a bitch to get lvl 40 without questing
^ i do and i still cant because i suck
rip
i did my ic quest by ratting :p
wait till all chafs are gone and plant those trackers/ take those manifests
you hit the boring quests like lend lease and the 3 cameras and it slows down for a bit
Theyre easy but it's annoying bc u can't do then in 1 swift run
you can you just have to risk the camera and the trackers
I mean just how you're forced to go the different maps
Like no matter how efficient you are you need to take the time for the other maps
oh yeah but I bundled the with quests on those maps
so you do the quest and a prat of land lese or cameras
Dude it's so satisfying turning in like 3 quests after a raid
i havent done quests for a long time
unless its like go to d2
i mean i do that already
I know, that's how I started playing Interchange as PMC
The first couple of quest runs there, i would turn in like 2-3 per run
Really left them all for late
Such a good feeling
where does reshala hide at stronghold
I killed all his minions and got 3rd partied looking for him
he can go under
at the part where the ground is sunk under the foundation
in bushes too
gas
he so hard at dorms imo
oh yes
im using v-ex im too full
Meat grinder in the stairs
okay i just learned how v-ex works in the worst way possible
Rip
Do Shturman and with a little bit of luck you'll get the Red Rebel, unless you get killed by other players, ofc and you're lucky for him to have it
someone else killed reshala or he like naded himself or smth
i killed his 3 guards and he was just dead
lol
yeah, he's not that hard to kill, his guards are the only annoying part
me and my squad went into dorms see reshala, his guards, and 2 pmc dead
unlooted
I remeber my first extract I wanted to use on woods - factory XD I was really wounded
i'd just strip it next time tho, those ak not worth a whole lot
- a keycard
i did panic cause it was my first time and i didint even think about stripping lmao
there a quest for jaeger to hand in the golden tt and kill reshala
you can hold on to it
It's better to extract with suboptimal loot then to die with best
imo reshala difficulty is dorms > fortress > new gas
i'd say fortress>dorms>new gas
Sanitar is easy as well, if you can find the guy
sanitar at cottages pretty hard
remember last time?
ye
you got that slick from a cache and ran into sanitar at cottages
time to celebrate
i love finding reshala
because hes good money and easy
i hate finding gluhar
Yeah, but is it just me or is Sanitar quite a cunt, cause he keeps running away
gluhar guards aimbot me with t45m
you dont find him, he finds you
i killed 2 raiders in hermetic garage thing
i was like wtf why is there more
then i died and realized it was gluhar
anyone want to duo
someone found my body, stripped the sight off it, then maybe died because i got the game and sight back seperately lol
I once heard a noise in the small closet in knight
threw a grenade
gluhar and 2 of his boys run out
"GRENATA"
Need help on customs and woods with quests. Dont know the maps yet and theyre location quests.
i got some lucky hits and killed them while they were running and died to a scav while looting
1 time i had just gotten fat with hitting all the cages
XD
i was running past knight
because i went up from guardtower
then i hear a scav
it sounds like shotgun scav
i keep running
then i hear 5 yells
and they pop out from the garages and white and black knight
and i get mowed down
i always die to the guards with t45m
when you are so accurate doesn't matter what ammo XD
lol
in labs im in the middle of parking gate
and a guy shoots at me
and i run across my teammates spray
and i somehow lived xD
12 hp thorax
the guy only hit my arm lol
i had to switch my armor out so many times that raid
also he has 1300 HP
And he heals if he has time behind a cover
yep
i mag dumped him with 762 bp he somehow lives and headshot me
his thorax alone has 360hp
his guards are pain in the ass too
at least theres only 2 guards
i think the easiest way to deal with sani is to find him at cottages and go for the head with m61
with my m61 strat resort is to cqc
one m61 round to the head is enough to put him down
dude, what is a pmc doing in interchange with 8 minutes left
or he war doing missions when all other pmcs left
but cmon, 8 minutes?
Honestly
If I extract any raid with 8 minutes left, I'd be leaving early
I know that a handful of folks I play with are the same way. If there's time on the clock, you're still in danger
interchange has a lot of prolonged fights
when running shorline quest i very often extracted with <2 min
yeah but it looked like he was just prone in one of the stores
there is a mission when you have to plant stuff for 2 minutes
i did it solo - and i don't recommend that
:p
those missions are terrifying
on my first try guess who decided to check what I'm doing laying next to a pile of garbage
hint:
killa
winner without the hint
m381 inteligence and 40k
on a factory scav
fuck i gotta dip
can u runthrough as scav?
it never fails to make me happy
yes
if you leave before 7 mins has passed
in the raid timer
what does run through mean besides lower exp?
no gained loot
items not found in raid
damn didint know that
is 5.45x39mm HP good?
nope
why so?
Not even close
minimum i'd use in 5.45x39 is M855A61 @vapid oracle
is 545 full metal jacket better?
'
whats the bullet name?
@vapid oracle https://eft.monster
23 pen
20 pen
no
20 pen is horrible
rule of thumb is 10 pen per armor class
so if you want to ignore class 4 you need 40 pen
is prapors PRS round better?
na
if u can only access these rounds kill scavs or aim for the face and prey they aint got a fs
like i said, minimum i'd say use M855A61
then M855A1
then M995
Actually worst
what lvl are you?
try get lvl 10 then make budget kit
I'm working on the quest that gets you uhh the PS rounds
Sell them when you get them
m856a1 u mean 
Yeahh xd
good attempt tho
i just remember 6 = bad
5 = good
995 = sell because im scared to run 500k in ammo for a gun
9600k
855 is not good 
it does the job
anyone wanna run factory im kinda new so yea
i rarely die to chads because of the ammo im using
its more i don't expect "x" angle or just reaction time is ass
@oblique marlin lvl?
6 almost 7
also whats your goal rn @oblique marlin
if your learning the game i wouldn't say factory is the place to be learning.
that shit will be painful death over and over.
I am good at factory and have a positive extract thing on it
And also
I need
He’d
Hdd
And I have got em in office before and yes
to get that done quickly i'd run reserve but if factory is your map then try ya luck
just don't be shocked if you find your HDD and then get a ks-23 to the face
I’m good at factory and can’t run reserve well
I running a lot on factory trust me I’m good at holding my own
it will make pvp so much better
It will
what kits do you run on factory?
for factory i'd go shotgun or fast fire rate and just spray their face
the Kedr does great in Factory
Yes that’s norm
the amount of players who don't play with FS
running factory is gonna handicap you in the future
Like mp 133
Factory is an ass map for starting
its such a 50/50 map
its hard to be good at
especially if you spawn in forklift door room, spawned there earlier, a 3 man b-lined it down towards me and just threw about 6 nades in
@crisp nest how so?
0 loot
laughs in Altyn
0 quests
true
just you wont make cash cause its not FIR
not really everyone run rat rig
varies
sometimes you hop in and just find nakeds with ks-23
sometimes you will find chads with alytns
I got a meta ak before and still have it
What?
I guess I will just run customs until reshala spawns gas
ak not meta if its 545
i just got raped as a C5 pmc by scav
can someone sell 1 mp-133 ti fence?
70 meters
declan jaeger sells them
wtf is 12.7x108
im level 5 jexuu
is that the ash round
you tell me wtf is that
mounted?
If you need help with the quest I can tell you where to go.
:D
lol
nah im waiting until someone sells an mp to fence
to get the quest done to move onto next
it'll be double the price man
another flashdrive gone
ok that's your decision but you'll be waiting a while
all good
i swear the mp-133 does
just go unlock jaeger
No it don’t?
and no it doesnt
not the mp133
"find" not "find in raid"
it'll take you ages to get a mp-133
no one in their right mind puts it on fence
it sells for more to mech
ive seen a few
Factory

i just missed it
if you make it to safe on factory most of the time u make profit anyway lmao
die but made $800
the diaries coming in clutch
THANK you to whoever did that
finally got that stupid box of gpu's
get jaeger
Try get snipers while your at it
your next task is killing scavs on woods
take a sniper you'll be able to do it superrr quick
i always get like 1k roub
oof
i just got 4 small diaries
was quite lucky
cool
just saying
sniper on fence if you see one would be beneficial
i feel like all the electronics like circuit boards and lsd's dropped a lot
fence can sell some good shit
as well as screws and bolts
who's dropping LSD?
damm
Can someone sell a mp-133 to fence pls
fence has a delay now
just fenced one for ya
tyyyy
Yeah cuz bitcoin nerf and crypto boom @ivory ether
lol
in the middle of the road
yeah that happened to me in offline customs once
how long is the delay @ivory ether
that 50 cal in customs is no joke lmao
it says prapor sells EKP-8-02 sights
always check MGs
but I can't find it
idk how long the delay is
how long is the delayt
is the wiki out of date?
inspect the items
mute did you sell a 153 instead of a 133
red circle i was here
cuz i just fucking bought one by accident 😦
i hope some guy that finds my body will be happy with that secure usb and c5 armor with 100 ap 6.3 ammo :(
I need 8-02
where?
it's not there still unless someone bought it :9
4 slots to the right
u need them inspected
bruh
the dollar sign covered the orange
just accepted shooter born in heaven, bouta be a ride
use ak101 if u want to do it
just do it passively though
o oki
ak101?
yes
dude just go do introduction
btw why did therapist btc drop 100k
you're not going to get far without it
bc real btc dropped like 40% last week
ah
what?
money has been lost
cryptos a joke
mechanic's quest introduction unlocks jaeger, who sells mp-133s.
some sell a mp133 to fence maybe
do scav runs
Im not going into a raid till i get this done xD
you could actually have had jaeger unlocked by now
ye
^
its not a hard quest
it's an easy quest
Its a 5 min job lol
go in go out
is farming part 4 even worth it
bring money for the bridge car and done
then why not do it
but i could die along the way so CBA
later in the chain you get a gfx back but probably not
you will die along the way in every raid
yes
stop selling mp-153s xD
shiet ight, cause 3 gpus and 8 fans? thats a lotta money i couldve made o_o
dont play tarkov if you fear death
this isn't the game for you
i shouldnt be talking but 
with low gpu prices
u get 2 gpu back
and a reap-ir
and btcs
well are gpu prices low for the craft?
480k rn
🤷♂️ i assume he findd them
for flea
also where can I check what an attachment fits wtih my gun
I still need to get a ledx
before I buy it
I've had kappa I think it is pepega
inspect item, item compatibility
theres a drop down menu
haven't gotten one out of ultra med yet
I'm playing the game standard edition and cba to waste time doing shitty quests
if u hover over it
right click an attatchment, inspect, little arrow at the right. hover over and it lists any compatible weapons in your inv/stash
they arent shitty
mf you want to be lazy well guess what most people are too lazy to fence a mp133 for u
i have standard too. im lvl 15-16 and my first like 11 levels i had a 12% survival rate
🤡
Keeping it that way
ok
aight then you aren't a gunsmith completer
if you try and keep it that way you wont succeed
we all play the game differently
🤡 cares about SR
i fenced one for you, idk how long its gonna be but try refreshing or somehting
quests are the easiest way to get xp (ive been told)
Counter intuitive
nah
SR doesnt mean skill, you can rat around the map in fuckn prone for 45 min and extract
doesnt mean your good or that you got loot
also do any vendors sell vertical grips?
skier and peacekeeper
how much are ravens worth
k in a raid wml bye
i have 47 sr on scav and im still dogshit
havent found one of these in time
my scav is also 47%
~30k
Oh meh
kappa item btw
many
no way im getting kappa this wipe lol
at level 1 just pk
same 
mayo
only one i know is pk sells the kac one which only increases ergo i think
at level 1 that is true
at higher levels u can many grips
*get
like shift rk-1/rk-2, afg, rvg, etc.
yeah that one is just the only one i can name from top of my head lmfao
u
i heard it was U
i never used it b4 though
useless imo
I need it a bit for woods
Ergo determines aiming stability correct?
and ads time i think
ok, ty
By the way, if you're crouched on the lowest walkspeed can you be heard with no headphones/with headphones?
Yes'
i think you can be heard on some of them yes
ok
depends on the surface
figures
The only time you won't be heard at all is if you have max covert movement
yeah i can hear myself crouch walk slowest movement on factory with m32 or gssh forgot
Unless you have maximum covert movement stat; you WILL make noise someone can hear if you walk on any non common surface like glass or metal or the regular ground since your skill is low
with Max covert movement; you make no noise EXCEPT when on these surfaces: glass; wood; metal
I see, thanks a lot.
Max covert is spooky
max covert movement sounds like the ultimate rat skill
Apparently it's one of the worst grinds
max prone movement OP
Also does the bush rustling sound noise elvel correlate to movement speed or does it have a constant noise level?
any new players need help
70% max rustles to like 100% max rustles for my lack of better wording 😂
its the same sound
Alright, tysm
but you have mor or less
Time to avoid bushes
like its spread out
rustles is the unit of measurement I use when I try and determine my noise in bushes
dont judge me
ah alr
GL being stealth :D
if stealth on grass go around the bushes
gotchu
OH SHIT @vivid ember if you tryna be super rat level of galaxy brain go buy a 3BTG stim
||it increases your hearing distance via perception skill buffs||
how much are tank bats?
its mega rat mode especially in the tunnels of reserve or interchange
200k
also legit use scenario; hope it works for ya
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lol thanks
this is so true
ive tried fighting him there its impossible
haha scavs can wallbang you though easily
dont do this
go up the other side
if u actually try doing this run that is
lol
762 ak scavs are aimbots though
what about it

I almost got fucked up by an ak scav earlier today
he died in the same spot as i did in previous raid
people who refer to King server building as Queen make me triggered
especially since prahpors bunker quest specifically states which one is which
DOME IS QUEEN
SERVER IS KING
make me triggered more why dont ya
uncultured swines never played chess
Dude had a BT ak and I was running press armor
what isserver
@crisp nest I kno you didnt write that--but that ones a little peeve of mine since this community; especially reserve is so uptight about being so good lmao
King building is server; do prapors bunker mission
o
Queen is dome via deductive reasoning
as he states you need to go to King stairs to complete the bunker mission which is under the server building
ahhh, yeeees
Damn I gotta do bunker
learn which is King and which is Queen and dont trigger me in the future @rough scarab love yaahhhh 😂
King is the one that has the lines
Xp
yeah but bunker is super easy
almost any reserve raid is going to see it complete by accident
AVS any good?
Oh it’s 6k xp
Bunker 1, giga ez, bunker 2, kinda annoying when underground is pvp heaven xd
night reserve
there are better class 4 options
Nvm I won’t do it thought it would be more
no but i killed like
or i mightve
idk i found like 4 scavs on gas station with arm bands
i marked my tanks so im good :)
Don’t you have to extract though
yeah
Or did it bug
i dont think marking quests has to be done in 1 raid
nope
uh
Humanitarian supply bugged for me which I’m glad it did cause I died to a scav
if it did i wouldve dropped this game lol
huh
cause i still have to get my marked tankers down as well lol
How many scavs can spawn at gas station (new)?
4-5 sounds about right
usually 2 on the back side towards guard tower and 2 on the front by the cars
i sometimes see them inside
like near the counter
need to kill 16 more scavs to get hobo quest done
Just run around the map
Ruaf usually has one or two
Same with old gas
Go for sniper scavs too
Probably wasn't reshala then. Wouldn't have put up such a good fight
which case is better to buy? or should I just buy this from flea market if I ever get the money
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you should compare the prices of the barters. they end up bein pricey
yeah I noticed
So does the toz actually have range/good upsides? Or is it just a extremely cheap shotgun?
its the same item, only difference is cost of barter mats
I think its before?
no it has 0 upsides except being like 4k
lets just say you get what you pay for
you get what you pay for
