#cyber-and-careers

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thorn haven
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But you have to be an associate of ISC^2

pseudo creek
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looks like it is 4 years + BS does ccount, I thought it was masters

tranquil frost
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From a realistic perspective, how hard is it to get a well-paying career as a pentester? What do I need to know to do so?

stoic cave
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That depends. Do you have a degree or previous professional experience?

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Pentesting is a niche field within Cybersecurity and Cybersecurity itself isn't an entry level area within the computer industry. It's going to, likely, require a degree, professional experience, certifications or a mixture of all three.

hazy turtle
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And is HIGHLY dependent on your location.

glossy parcel
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@stoic cave If you have advice on how to become a cybersecurity engineer or have any resources on the matter that you could redirect me to, I would highly appreciate it. Thank you.

serene umbraBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @stoic cave

stoic cave
glossy parcel
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I've noticed that network security engineer and cybersecurity engineer are very very similar, if not the same?

stoic cave
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I wouldn't say that

glossy parcel
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Falls under the same spectrum?

pseudo creek
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not really

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network security engineer usually deals with network security devices

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cybersecurity engineer is a broad title that can apply to a variety of different jobs, some orgs use it for someone who deals with security devices / implementations...

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I would considered a cyber security engineer when I was helping internal customers design their environments to support their applications

glossy parcel
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In Mr Robot when Elliot says "I'm just a tech" 🤣 What does he exactly mean?

pseudo creek
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not sure but my guess from the context is that there are people that are techies (deal with the technical aspects) and those that deal with the business / management aspects

glossy parcel
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I agree.

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I didn't think of it like that until now.

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Elliot is a security engineer though, he could be a network technician though.

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With his skillset, wouldn't surprise me if he was in the networking side of things

pseudo creek
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a network technician to me is someone who would deal with routers and switches

glossy parcel
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@stoic cave Do you have any certs?

stoic cave
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Security+ is the only mainstream professional certification I have. I have some other job specific stuff that's really only for where I currently work.

warm hinge
stoic cave
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pseudo creek
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My first cyber cert was CISSP and I had been doing cyber work for a few years by then

stoic cave
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Yeah, I got my Sec+ a year ish in to my employment

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I purchased a voucher in college but then just procrastinated. Definitely would have made my job hunt easier

violet citrus
sacred oak
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I live in the USA. Started working in tech again within the last year. Current role is I.T. at a seaport. We'll have crazy crunch time, and then a lot of down time (like right now), i.e., paid to study.

Hired with no certs, just had taken some I.T. classes while they were free for me. "Green and trainable" is what the manager wanted from me. Right place, right time, no prior contacts in this industry.

Since hired, I picked up Certified in Cybersecurity from (ISC)^2. Probably will knock out a bunch of CompTIA: A+, Net+, Sec+ for starters, and then later on CySA+, Pentest+, and Project+. I have mixed feelings on all of those, but they do transfer over for credits to a cybersecurity degree at WGU that I'm interested in.

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Hard for me to know what's truly necessary, I guess, but I want to get some experience, collect various feathers in the cap to get passed the hiring filters, and hope to keep moving towards credibility in research, malware analysis, and some bug bounty on the side.

pseudo creek
# sacred oak I live in the USA. Started working in tech again within the last year. Current r...

So what do you actually wanna do? what type of cyber roles do you see yourself in? Does your company pay for training?

I would say you don't need A+. I'd also say Pentest+ and Project+ don't have much, if any, value.

Personally, I'd say get Security+, then look at some of the cloud certs (choose either AWS or Azure, either is fine). Then the rest of the certs would depend on what type of role you see yourself in. If your company happens to pay for SANS then score. If you are looking to get a degree, I would look at the SANS degree over WGU if you could.

lyric warren
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looking for a tech co-founder

alpine marsh
maiden thunder
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"world famous quartet looks for three additional band members"

sacred oak
# pseudo creek So what do you actually wanna do? what type of cyber roles do you see yourself i...

Company will pay for nothing, unfortunately. SANS would be great, and I was looking at their offerings, but that won't happen at this salary. Perhaps some other time.

I am interested in working as a SOC analyst for starters. From there, I would like to see how I feel. I could see myself developing an interest in malware analysis, bug bounty, or penetration testing. Any of that feels far away right now from my current role, but it's a lot better than being an Uber driver, which is where I was last year.

lyric warren
alpine marsh
lyric warren
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need a full stack dev

alpine marsh
hazy turtle
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To me it sounds he wants to split the money 50%/50% all he does is give an idea, and that's it, which is apparently worth as much as developing a startup on your own

alpine marsh
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yup, which is why he isn't selling it that well, we get to hear nothing about it

lyric warren
alpine marsh
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tbh, I would say that you will not get any sales, if you're this dry... 😄

lyric warren
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No issues

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If you don't want to join

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Thank you very much

alpine marsh
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but you haven't even told us about the product, why would anyone join in when you haven't told us what we are joining in on?

lyric warren
alpine marsh
lyric warren
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Thank you so nuch

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Much*

cobalt escarp
pseudo creek
bleak pine
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Why would u suggest SANS over wgu?

pseudo creek
# bleak pine Why would u suggest SANS over wgu?

because SANS is considered top tier for cyber security, their certs are thought highly of. Only reason to really go to wgu is if you are trying to get that HR checkmark that you have a degree.

bleak pine
pseudo creek
bleak pine
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craggy seal
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I'm having the same gripes about SANS lately. I'd love to do their masters after I finish up this WGU cyber degree, but they don't allow loans (federal or private - unless there's a private servicer I don't know about) and $850/m is just not gonna happen on 35k/yr

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that said- if I'm STILL making 35k/yr after I finish this degree that's gotta be a "me" problem. These certs are worth something lol

flint perch
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About to start my Bachelors in Cybersecurity at WGU. Any advice? Anyone have success in attaining a job afterwards?

pseudo creek
craggy seal
craggy seal
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My best advice is just to accept the grind. Lots of memorizing, lots of making yourself focus on boring things, lots of eye rolls and deep sighs (if you're me lol) but if you can remember to appreciate the ability to accelerate and lack of assignments, you'll do fine. Since so many classes are just passing certs, youtube is your friend. ALWAYS read reddit guides for a course before starting, it can save you weeks of studying.

pseudo creek
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distant pier
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Good idea. 👍

vital fossil
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Guys is being involved in IT sec (like doing CTF/having own projects going) important in getting a job in the field? I'm on the verge of getting an IT sec masters degree, but I'd rather not have anything to do with it when I'm not at the job.

warm hinge
serene umbraBOT
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warm hinge
strong jacinth
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hello everyone, I was wondering if I should include on my resume that i'm currently pursuing my sec+ and net+ through a accelerated course. is this allowed or would it be unnecessary since I dont officially have it yet ?

static tide
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there is no right or wrong

flint perch
serene umbraBOT
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craggy seal
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of course 🙂

craggy seal
strong jacinth
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thank you sm

twin lance
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I'm choosing career path for this fall, what do you guys think pays best / has the most attractive career path?

Cloud & infrastructure specialist
Information securityspecialist
Backend developer
DevOps engineer
Fullstack developer

flat sedge
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Pick whichever you get the most enjoyment from

twin lance
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Right now I'm too green to know, but I still have to pick a topic 😛 what would you pick?

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I'm leaning towards information security / network administration but I have no idea if I will like it or not

warm hinge
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How do I get a cyber security job

stoic cave
warm hinge
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No just starting on thm

stoic cave
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You're going to need to build your professional experience or obtain a degree. A common starting point for those looking to get into Cybersecurity is IT. Helpdesk level 1 roles don't require much in terms of qualifications to start.

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If you have the means to obtain a degree, I would consider it. Those with degrees get paid more than their non-degree counterparts. With a degree you also have access to internships and the ability to skip experience requirements, in some cases, into a Cyber role.

warm hinge
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I would have to start at help desk and work up

empty glacier
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good thing about starting with help desk is that you see all the wild mistakes people make regarding their security in the wild, and we're not talking mock-scenarios but real data that people are utterly careless with

warm hinge
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I'm very careful personally

warm hinge
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what certificates would I need for helpdrsk

stoic cave
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None. Helpdesk Level 1 is absolute entry. I wouldn't expect anyone to have certifications at that point.

warm hinge
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So just apply

whole grotto
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Correct!👌🏽

hazy turtle
warm hinge
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After googling it it seems that there is no tech companies where I am

pseudo creek
warm hinge
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That's easy though right

pseudo creek
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what country are you in?

warm hinge
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Murica

pseudo creek
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are you able to move?

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I mean I'd look at nearby cities see what jobs they have, you don't have to work for a 'tech' company per se

warm hinge
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No I don't have any money

pseudo creek
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how far away is your nearest major city?

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I mean when I started, I think I had saved up something like $2k which went all to a down payment on an apartment and I had a loan for a car that was secured by my job offer... (and I moved to a pricier area)

warm hinge
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This is the only job I found and it's an hour away

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pseudo creek
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I would apply! Do you have a car? any way to get there?

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should ask "Did you Google?" how far he drives, I definitely had a few years where I had to drive an hour each way

warm hinge
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I don't know how to make wifi accounts

pseudo creek
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they can teach you

warm hinge
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It doesn't mention training here

pseudo creek
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ok then don't apply

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but any job will provide some training

warm hinge
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Should i get this a+ first

alpine marsh
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I drive 124 miles each way for my job, if the position is something you love doing.
and it doesn't hurt asking if they take in unsolicited applications for a junior position where you can get taught

pseudo creek
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i'll just say that if I only applied to jobs I qualified for, I would've never had a job

warm hinge
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Well it says this position is responsible for all technology

alpine marsh
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me too

pseudo creek
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basically if someone puts out a job listing, it is a wish list

dense dagger
warm hinge
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Is the a+ test hard

dense dagger
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dont sweat it, i'd say you dont even need it

pseudo creek
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I'd work towards getting it though

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but not every entry level help desk job will require it

dense dagger
pseudo creek
dense dagger
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is there a govt certification in the US for tech support

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or vocational school

pseudo creek
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nope, and vocational schools are usually very $$$. Some community colleges will have vocational programs

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and most states community colleges are also $$ so loans are usually required

warm hinge
pseudo creek
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like I live in one of the few states with free community colleges

warm hinge
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My community College is like 7k

dense dagger
pseudo creek
warm hinge
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Are people really this dumb?

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one of my simulation questions was a lady didn't know what a ROUTER is

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like what

pseudo creek
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if you don't do networking / know networking, yes you may not know what a router is

warm hinge
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wow

pseudo creek
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PS, compassion and understanding is something you will want to express in any customer service role... which IT (cyber included) is at its heart, customer service. If I was a hiring manager and I heard you say someone was stupid for not knowing XYZ, I'd automatically disqualify you from a position

warm hinge
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Of course I wouldn't say that at work lol

pseudo creek
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You'd be surprised

sacred oak
# warm hinge like what

At work, I try to assume nothing. A lot of the requests for service I get from people in the office at first sound catastrophic: "the database doesn't work at all, all of the cameras are offline, no clerks can perform their job because there is no network audio", or something like that. It usually turns out to be something simple, like someone not using their correct login, or using a faulty configuration.

Definitely best to never mock a user's knowledge, even if it feels like a simple or avoidable mistake. With I.T./field tech positions, I feel like most of this job is learning how to talk to people that don't understand computers, and a smaller part of it is actually understanding technical problems.

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Computers are so abstract; a person can spend twenty years behind a keyboard and never know any command prompt or terminal commands.

flat sedge
warm hinge
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Any advise for someone who wants to switch his domain from technical support engineer to pentester or security researcher?

toxic harness
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Hey guys, I am currently looking for a position as a SOC Analyst or a Junior Penetration Tester, does anyone know of anyone hiring for those positions atm? I'll be graduating this month with my Bachelor's in Cybersecurity. I would appreciate any advice.

warm hinge
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It is possible

tall bay
warm hinge
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Hello 🙂

tall bay
broken idol
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@tacit bobcat

dense dagger
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Is having 2 simultaneous jobs bad from a resume standpoint? Like does it look like a red flag for an interviewer

broken idol
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Why would it?

dense dagger
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Well, off the top of my head I'm thinking less commitment time on their side, non-compete problems (but this is more of a legal issue)

broken idol
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If you have a good enough reason for them I don't why not.

I have two jobs on mine, but then I was at one job for > 10 years.

dense dagger
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That person would be more prone to burnout in that state then they don't wanna deal with those types of situations

pure perch
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Can you add up the cumulative years of work experience if you work two jobs simultaneously kekw ?

restive portal
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Can you add time if you run two stopwatches at the same time?

vapid cosmos
tall bay
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please i need some one to help me learn ethical hacking

stoic cave
trail solar
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So, I don’t have a background in IT. My background was in healthcare. I worked as a medical assistant for 22 years.

So far, I’ve completed Complete Beginner Learning Path, CompTia Pentest+ Path, and I’m about to complete Junior Pentester Path. I know I still have a long way to go.

I’d like to know if this is enough to move forward with filling out applications, and send out my resume, to potential employers. I’m looking for an entry level position as a Pentester.

If not, can you share with me ideas that may help me finally get a job in cyber security?

trail solar
gray lichen
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Hi everyone, is it possible to receive any feedback on my resume? Is there something I need to change or could improve? Thanks for the help 🙂

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arctic raptor
quick forum
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I'd also put AZ-900 in the certification if that's the azure one you got

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A complaint from my boss when we were hiring recently was that a CV had nothing about you, what you're like outside of work or as a person

pseudo creek
broken idol
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I get asked to talk about myself, even though it's all written down.

maiden thunder
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"we have seen your detailed profile on LinkedIN, now send us your CV too"

flat sedge
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pseudo creek
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I also see it as a way to introduce bias so I'll say I'm wary on it for that front

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are you looking for job roles? I don't know of any sites that talk about entry level roles specifically, there are a few that discuss IT / Cyber roles

rich drum
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pseudo creek
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sorry I'm not aware of sites that list open positions in the UK

rich drum
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Oh alright … Thank you

quick forum
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Someone's mentioned gradcracker before

steel scaffold
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are there any entry level roles? im working on my Comptia Sec+ and Pen+

hazy turtle
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You guys do know linkedin exist right?

atomic vigil
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hazy turtle
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Lol, so what isn't dead?

maiden thunder
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devops is alive!

pseudo creek
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warm hinge
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Hey everyone,

I've been in the bug bounty and pentesting field for the past 5 years working with the largest card provider. Although my employer pays for my certifications, I'm looking to learn and pursue new things. I'm currently torn between two options:

  1. The red teaming path through cert-based learning, which includes CRTP (in progress), OSCP, CRTO, and OSEP.
  2. Career transitioning to DevSecOps, which involves CDP, CDE, and CDL (practical DevSecOps).

I would really appreciate any suggestions or advice on which path to take. If you have any personal experience in either field or certifications that you recommend, please let me know. Thank you in advance!

mossy socket
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Hey everyone I was just wondering if there is a way to add your TryHackMe certificates to your LinkedIn profile and if it is worth putting on? I figured it was considering it shows an interest and a skill learned in cybersecurity. Trying to build up my resume so I can get my foot in the door as a SOC Analyst. Recently finished my cybersecurity school from Thinkful and getting ready to take my Security+ exam soon too!

hazy turtle
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You can make a post about getting the certification of completion, but try adding value to the post.

broken idol
hazy turtle
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Oh, I though he asked about it in the social sense, not the in technical sensehappyOwl

broken idol
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I assumed they meant with how you can directly share badges/room completions to LinkedIn.

mossy socket
serene umbraBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @broken idol

orchid hazel
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Has anyone taken CCT and how would you rank the cert?

static tide
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which cct

orchid hazel
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EC-Council CCT

hazy turtle
pseudo creek
quaint flare
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👀

finite ridge
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Has anyone here applied for jobs at Tryhackme? 🤔

olive bramble
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hello everybody my name is yassine and i'm a beginner in this domain and i wanna share my humble plan or roadmap:
compTIA A+
CCNA
Security+
eJPT
are this roadmap is verry comfortable to be a cyber pro??

pseudo creek
olive bramble
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i have a 16 years old!!!

pseudo creek
olive bramble
undone saddle
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the best certification free for blue team?

alpine marsh
clever topaz
olive bramble
flat sedge
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English only, you know this, because you've read the rules, right? @clever topaz @olive bramble

olive bramble
austere summit
glad dust
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Hey @quaint flare --- just pinging in channel in case you don't get new-DM notifications (I turned them off a long time ago, had too many)

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(for future mods bc going offline: see #jobs-board post that says to DM -- not unsolicited)

wooden path
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I just want to say, thank you THM, I scored a SOC position thanks to THM ❤️

glad dust
wooden path
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learning and putting my THM profile on CV

glad dust
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nice. even if you don't learn a damn thing, thm/htb/etc are good conversation topics at the very minimum

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(not saying you wouldn't learn ofc, just more than one benefit)

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able to talk about CTFs and stuff, something to build a rapport and sound normal and productive lmao

warm hinge
wooden path
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not in infosec tho

warm hinge
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hmm may i ask what exp?

wooden path
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2 years command center, 1 year python dev, 1 year linux admin, 2 years cloud engineering

warm hinge
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god damn thats huge exp

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congrats man you deserve the job

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would you advise people getting some other exp(like with cloud) before getting into soc or other cyersecurity ?

wooden path
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oh cloud is for sure useful, especially since everything is moving towards could

warm hinge
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hollow lance
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Have a great day people !

serene prism
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Hi all, I'm going to graduate in CS (Bachelor's), what path is the best to follow in Europe? Comptia Certifications are not the way right?

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I think I'll study at least the exam topics of these, without paying for the exam

rugged delta
# serene prism Hi all, I'm going to graduate in CS (Bachelor's), what path is the best to follo...

The CompTIA books are worth reading for whichever topic you want to cover and freom an elementary perspective, having Network+, Security+, Linux+, CySA+ etc can be good to demonstrate a basic comprehension of a topic. Having the Security+ is a widely recognised HR pass. Also OSCP, CISSP and a few other certs are widely recognised in the cybersec field in Europe since there's a lot of US orgs in Europe and a lot of European orgs associate quite closely with US practices, along with European regulations

torn owl
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hey

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need help with Blueprint

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room

stoic cave
torn owl
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thanks

serene prism
serene umbraBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @rugged delta

rugged delta
# serene prism Thank you for these info. After the degree, my plan is to study for A+, get the ...

A+ is a very basic certification about how computers work and what the parts are and what kind of parts you generally find in a computer these days. If you have a degree, it's not really worth your time unless at that stage you don't know what computers or operating system are... The A+ is really aimed at people who want to start a career in the computer industry (like getting a call centre job) but who don't have the means to take a college course. Look over the Professor Messer content to see if there's anything you don't understand

The CCNA is a great certification to show you really do understand networking skills to a practical and entry leve professional extent and so you could potentially configure/troubleshoot basic routing/switching queries so it's definitely worthwhile.

Sec+ is absolutely widely recognised as a gateway into the cybersecurity industry so would be worth doing

serene prism
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Perfect, looks like i made a good plan. Wonder when would be the best time to start using THM. After these certs?

rugged delta
# serene prism Perfect, looks like i made a good plan. Wonder when would be the best time to st...

Start using THM as soon as you feel ready. It's quite different to just studying for a certification. It gives you interesting lessons in all kinds of computing and cybersecurity skills, as well as the joy of hacking from the perspective of a new starter hacking as a hobby or for fun all the way to preparing for certifications or just for fun. There's lots of objectives for casual hacking, whether it's for fun, learning, CTF (Capture The Flag, a type of hacking game) or realistic or exam-like scenarios.

THM lets you hack systems that, in the real world, could land you in serious legal trouble so you can treat it as a fun hobby or something with career potential or both, like many ethical hackers

serene prism
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Nice! Thanks for the replies and for your time

rugged delta
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rugged delta
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Consider verifying your THM profile with discord. Instructions in the above URL. Enjoy your journey

nocturne lion
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Any tips how to find some IT interships in EU?

rugged delta
# nocturne lion Any tips how to find some IT interships in EU?

You just go onto job sites and search for internships. Most of the time, an internship is intended for someone who is close to or in the process of completing some form of specialised training (college/university/trade school etc) or has recently completed some form of educational pursuit in the field and is well versed in the profession, perhaps even possesses many of the skills of an entrant into the profession but needs to refine their skills before being considered fully employed.

If you're doing a course of some kind, they'll possibly have an internship program that can facilitate with resources/advice etc. One thing I'll suggest is to only take a paid internship, not an unpaid one. They want you for the skills you have in order to shape you from a student into a professional. They should pay you like one.

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warm hinge
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You have in pinned messages CV tips, info and help in the discord

nocturne lion
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Okey, thanks

warm hinge
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[newbie Rant - question from a studentt]
I am starting off investing time on THM, now on carreres in Cyber and now its asking for subscription. Should I try out the available free stuff first or go for the subscription?
I am a student so ofc the 6 something pounds matter to me ^^

lament fossil
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stop copy pasting

warm hinge
lament fossil
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i apologise for quick commenting

warm hinge
lament fossil
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actually i entered into a random cahannel upon entering some random command and i just saw you type for a sec and then booowallah you sent a 3 liner

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had me quessing

warm hinge
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spare kernel
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Anyone got any advice for the CRT? vent

pseudo creek
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charred wigeon
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Hey would you guys mind rating my resume?

And im looking forward to getting a remote soc level 1 job. are there any other platforms except- linkedin & indeed where i can apply for remote soc entry-level jobs. And how much are the chances of getting called into an interview with these skills mentioned above.

even if i get called for an interview how much salary range should i expect?

im willing to do 3 months of internship just to gather experience.

thanks in advance

N.B: i dont have any academic degree

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broken idol
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Ah, you done Dante.

spare kernel
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“Courses completed but haven’t attempted exam” is kinda useless

charred wigeon
spare kernel
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Also, not the best idea to post your email address on here. Just a tip

merry matrix
charred wigeon
spare kernel
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Employers don’t care about the courses you’ve done tbh. outside of experience they care about your knowledge and legitimate certifications

charred wigeon
merry matrix
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Make tangible projects with the knowledge instead of just saying you completed the courses. Write a full pentest report for throwback or something. Make a homelab and put some documentation or automation up on GitHub. Do some malware analysis.

charred wigeon
merry matrix
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There are plenty of things out there that you can do to make the things you know sound stronger on paper

charred wigeon
merry matrix
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  • Full pentest report for Throwback or another lab (if they allow it)
  • Homelab with stuff like Splunk or ELK in it, with documentation
  • Malware analysis of some new samples circulating
  • Rewriting a broken exploit from exploit-db into something more usable
  • Writing your own C2 implant or just a meterpreter-style shell, bonus points for YARA rules with the project
  • Making and hosting a blog website where you can post write ups to challenges and teach others about stuff you know (not just copying and pasting THM answers like 99% of the ones I see online)
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I could keep going but I think this is a decent start

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Reports/write ups showcase technical and communication abilities, homelab is a practical showcase of your understanding of networking and common server applications (e.g. web service, Splunk), and code projects on GitHub show some level of development skill, which is nice to have in any role.

charred wigeon
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thanks for your suggestion really appreciate it

nocturne lion
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Any ideas how to recognize your path in IT?
I thinking about:
-software developer
-some stuff with Network
-cyber security
-some stuff with GNU/Linux systems

Maybe this questions seems very dumb, but i cant recognize on which field i can focus, co im learning all of it at once 🙃

dense dagger
warm hinge
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Hello, is it a good idea to get a software tester job for some time before becoming a penetration tester?

tranquil zealot
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Hi! I am about to have my first ever proper job interview (previously only had interviews for internships) and I am not quite sure what to expect. Some details:

Its for a junior penetration tester position with a very large company.
This is all in EU.
They are only asking for a degree in Computer science or related field, master and professional certifications are listed as advantages
No working experience requirement - which is good cuz I don't have any, not even previous internships (thx covid)
I graduated with a masters in computer science (previously did a BSc hons in cs as well) took a break and then self-studied using tryhackme (was recomended by the professor who taught the cyber security module)
Its gonna be a remote video interview (if that matters)

What should I expect on the interview? What will I be asked and etc?
I tried googling info about penetration testing job interviews and a lot of them say there might be practical tests. But I am not sure if that would be the case here considering they pretty much dont expect any experience in the field.
Also most results in english show info for US and I am not sure how it might differ for EU.
Thx in advance.

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Any one have idea about how to find internship remotely in cyber security. On LinkedIn I am not able to find any proper opportunity.

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Remote internships aren't common, for fairly good reasons

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about this

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do u guys think this is the right order to take certs:
CCNA —> Security+ —> OSCP

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Yes. Ccna does that.

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Yeah, if one is applying for a network engineer/analyst something role

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or something that dabbles in networks

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Nah, I really disagree with that, as do many employers.

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As a pentester covering infra, you goyta know routing and switching and networking

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Popping network devices too

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Isn't that also possible with just pure studying and hands on practice

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but it proves to an employer that you know how to to a certain extent

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@wooden tendon Can u please help me?

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i need to know if it's important for me to take CEH/ CCNA , i'm currently preparing for Security+ and after i would take OSCP

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idk if i would be losing some important info in CEH

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Yes many thanks for ur response ❤️

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Currently at work on a short break so I wont spend a lot time discussing it rn. But from a technical perspective CEH is dunked on by most industry professionals as not being worth it. I wouldn't get it unless specifically required where I live.

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CCNA I dont know much about tbh.

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cause i feel like i would be missing some info idk

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But I think if you do sec+ and oscp, you get a job and the job will help guide your progress from there

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# dusk oracle kk, just CEH is not necessary to take before security+ and OSCP right?

CEH doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn through actually learning penetration testing and doing the OSCP. Unless you live in a place that values it (India and some East Asian countries) or it's listed frequently on job posts. EC-Council has tarnished their reputation with their past inappropriate and misleading behaviour. It's a very expensive theory-based exam. The practical is a very expensive practical exam that penetration testing teams don't take seriously.

Skip it and go OSCP if that's in your budget. Or else get the HTB CPTS or TCM PNPT or Zero Point's Red Team Ops certs or a combination of a couple of those as they seem to be getting traction in the community in various ways

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suggestions for a roadmap in security

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# proven egret suggestions for a roadmap in security

It really depends on what you want to do or what you already know/understand. The books I suggested to you in #bookclub and the content on THM are great places to go. It is a journey, a career path, with lots of different opportunities. You might also enjoy some certifications for Linux, Windows, Cloud, Networking etc on your journey.Take your time and be curious

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thanks very much

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Where I can learn practical with full understanding? Is there any platform available?

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Practice penetration testing or pwn or reverse engineering or misc operation with fully explanation how to do and why do that way..

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and go to Practice.

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Sorry sir but I want any opensource resources

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Hey guys, I'm applying for some opportunities in the cyber security domain in my country, and I recently prepared my second resume, added an experience, some skills and a project section, this time I want someone who can R(oast)eview my resume and provide me some guidance if possible.

Thank you

📎 HB_Resume_1.pdf
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Any recommendation for basic DevOps courses?

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And maybe recommendation for DevOps cert

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Yikes got booted from the “learners institute server” for sharing a cyber security scenario that is difficult to defend against. Anyway. The guy seem like he kicked me after mentioning a DoD tool called “Yellowjacket”

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Dunno. I guess I’ll keep my creativity to myself

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Most traffic analysis issues are hard to defend against

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All I needed for this scenario is a Rat box and remote access hunting camera

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SMH. People are easy to hack. You don’t even have to break the law

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The best hacking tool in the world = Being a nice person

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wat

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wat (3)

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Hello i wanna ask question i am currently living in 3rd world country so,i don't even get electricity 4 hr a day.And,i don't think there are many cyber security jobs either.what i wanna ask is i am planning to take at least ejpt exam and one of isc2 exam after finishing next 3 path in tryhackme.did that make me get at least intern ?or what do i need more to get at least intern or jr pentester.Thanks a lot for giving ur time by reading this

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# tribal tangle Hello i wanna ask question i am currently living in 3rd world country so,i don't...

If you're starting out in cybersecurity, I would suggest skipping the ejpt and going straight for OSCP if it's in your budget. If it's not, you should consider the HackTheBox CPTS and/or The Cyber Mentor's PNPT and/or Zero Point's CRTO I & II courses.

If you're going for ISC2, the mostly widely recognised one is the CISSP. If you pass this, you need to demonstrate 5 years of cybersecurity experience in multiple domains to have the full certification. If you're a new entrant to cybersecurity, ISC2 provide the SSCP. The CompTIA Security+ is equivalent and as widely known or moreso than SSCP as a beginner cert.

You should consider verifying your THM profile. Follow the link here:

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# tribal tangle Hello i wanna ask question i am currently living in 3rd world country so,i don't...

If you want to get an internship

Oscp is nice

But what makes you get the internship

Is documenting your learning process
Show that your committed to learning more
The sites are great as some give badges for your linked in I think

But don't get to caught up in what cert you need the most important part

Is being proactive in your studies
Using your boxes as a means to get your documentation down

These things also help

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honestly computer science is usually the best degree

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Should I continue in that?

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I personally would

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I strongly recommend it

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Computer Science will give you the math background to understand everything you'll touch.

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I would recommend you be sure to take electives in databases and networking for sure, if there are security or security management electives, take those too

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I don't know about Canada, but Cyber degrees tend to not be consistent and seem to focus too much on specific tools which may be out of date by the time you get out of school

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A software testing class would also likely help a lot

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very similar mindset

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Ok, thank you guys a lot. This makes my decisions much easier.

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The more math you have, the faster you'll advance as a general rule.

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People with less math understanding end up doing the more routine oriented jobs, from what I've seen

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Being good at discrete math and understanding how to formulate a proof go a long ways towards being convincing about the necessity of certain things; IMO it's much easier to make the emotionally convincing argument, so I spend a lot less time learning rhetoric oriented towards that side.

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I'll also throw it out there that Zojja actually has a security role, and I do not 🙂 So any advice she chooses to share should be given more weight than what I have to say

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Just another question for after the undergrad, would I need to take a masters to focus the scope in cyber or are there jobs that will integrate me into that field after my undergrad?

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I wouldn't do a Masters in Cybersec at all.... If you are going to do that, I would wait until the company pays for it

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It's a value add for them, because they can sell your MS to customers or to BU, you will likely have some requirement or equivalent on your promotion path

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the only MS in Cyber I would value out of the gate is the SANS one. All the others are academically rigorous at best, but light on practicality

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I see, just a final question what would be the kind of job/company I should aim for after an undergrad degree to integrate into cyber

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While you are getting your degree, find internships

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internships are the single biggest hiring decision factor for recent undegrads

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or an IT job at your school works too but internships are even better as they are an 'in' to companies

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otherwise it's such a huge cultural shift going from academia to corporate shillling many people struggle until they figure out how to flip that business monster switch

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I can't thank you guys enough for the advice, this helps so much!

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# hollow drift I really need help in finding a path in cyber

Due to IT & Cybersecurity being so large it makes it very difficult to decide where to sink your time & resources into

I think maybe take a step back & try mind map out the cybersec field so you can understand yourself

As people brreak into this industry

Web Dev
CS Degrees
Network Engineers
Hardware Engineers
Recovery Specailist
Sys Admin
Software Engineers
Android & IOS

But each role plays a crucial part in certain fields

I found that this was very very useful

Azerialabs

The labs mainly does ARM Buffer Overflows which is android and IOT devices

But their are some rights ups that are really good

https://azeria-labs.com/the-importance-of-deep-work-the-30-hour-method-for-learning-a-new-skill/
https://azeria-labs.com/paradox-of-choice/
https://azeria-labs.com/the-process-of-mastering-a-skill/

Also try figure out the "field" that your certification your pursuing is taking you

For example

The most popular offensive security certification is the OSCP

However a big part of this focus is around networks

They have other exams which are focused on Web Apps

& other for windows exploitation

Its much easier if you have a goal whether its a cert or an exam to follow

Then you can see what skillset areas need to be filled & focused on

Because cybersecurity is so large

Doing abit of everything is good

But at some point you need to focus on 1 thing

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I'll try summarise my posts in future

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also it helps if you focus on the questions they were asking, not generic stuff

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And it doesn't sound like they are in one.

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An apprenticeship would be more what they are looking for or an entry level job in the computer industry. Something like helpdesk in order to build that professional experience.

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also for someone that has power for 4 hours/day probably 1) OSCP is cost prohibitive and 2) would be impossible to take

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What would be a starting postion for me to get into cybersecurity but on the healthcare side cause I know help desk is one route given how most people start in the cybersecurity industry but I was wondering when applying for jobs like how should I search it, in terms of key word essentially I want to do something in the healthcare side of cybersecurity

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I mean if you are in the US, you can search for cyber security and HIPAA, not sure about other countries

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I'm based in the US yeah I know about HIPPA and such but I was wondering if you or anyone know like how to get started in Cybersecurity but on the healthcare side

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Do you have a degree?

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Would a healthcare help desk or healthcare IT Help desk would work

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# rugged delta If you're starting out in cybersecurity, I would suggest skipping the ejpt and g...

I don't have enough budget and i don't think i can pass that yet i guess i just seriously started my cyber security journey like 3 or 4 months ago so i am totally beginner but i kinda feel like i am progressing alot by learning from tryhackme so rn i will have like real world experience intern/entry lv job/jr pent etc.as long as i get experience i am fine i guess.and i am currently 3rd yr in cs degree and it become hiatus cuz of some political situation in here.I heard if i can get some cert i can apply for intern.That is why i wanna take some cert exam for beginner/advance lv

stoic cave
# thorn haven I have a high school diploma and will be getting my associates degree in Cyberse...

I cannot speak to the efficacy of an associates degree, maybe juun or Zojja will have some more insights. Based off my current knowledge, and this is an assumption on my part, I would presume that it would not fully check the degree box for some employers. Healthcare has extremely strict regulations and as such, they will be looking for individuals with the skills/experience to match, especially in Cybersecurity. Helpdesk is an option as little to no prior professional experience is required. If you're wanting to move into security, it's going to take a while, and I would recommend getting Security+ as a start. Is there any particular reason you're silo-ing yourself to just Healthcare?

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# stoic cave I cannot speak to the efficacy of an associates degree, maybe juun or Zojja will...

Yes I'm planning on doing a minor with my bachelor's degree once I Transfer to a university in July. I always had a passion for health care and I just wanted to broaden my Cybersecurity interest into healthcare. Cause I know that within this field you have to keep learning is not stable like medical fields are for example nursing, and other medical fields so I feel like doing something in healthcare and using everything that I have learned so far from my associates cybersecurity degree I feel like I can use something to use

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Yeah I'm open to work for other industry as well is just I'm going to do a minor once I Transfer so I was wondering whether or not to stick with healthcare or go explore other industries within cybersecurity

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like I said, I'd apply to all sorts and see what interests you, its not like you'd be stuck in one industry if you don't like it

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hey guys! Just got a question here. My buddy is actively working to get into cyber security and it inspired me. I've always been a bit tech savvy but haven't applied myself with career pathing. Today i'm starting somewhere atleast by building up some resources. Right now i'm in the military and am getting out next year. My MOS(Job) is already in an IT background but its just a fundamental level, i.e. I can obtain Sec+ Net+ A+ and CCNA with this, which i'm going to be jumping on soon. However I was recommended to get into OSINT + THM from my friend, so I'm in an interesting playing field right now. I am wondering what would be the focus for this? OSINT goes quite hand-in-hand with learning and research, so If the dream is a red teamer or blue teamer, it would be super sick applying a strong background. What would you guys recommend?

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# obtuse fjord hey guys! Just got a question here. My buddy is actively working to get into cyb...

Certainly continue with the certifications. A+ if you have no other knowledge of computers. When learning cybersecurity you should have a good understanding of Linux, Windows, Networking, some scripting/programming awareness. You can grow these as you learn.

Sec+ is good for learning about lots of areas in cybersecurity and is widely recognised by employers. If you're considering doing the CCNA, do that and avoid the Network+. CCNA is far more thorough and practical and is widely recognised the world over as the standard for junior network engineers.

The knowledge you gain on THM will help a lot on the path to learning cybersecurity along with books written about all kinds of areas of the field. Check the link I posted above about success stories and pop into #bookclub to see the books we talk about

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@rugged delta thank you kindly subtle. I have some weird knowledge of computers I will say.

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Weird as in I'm a gamer, so i've messed with config files/server plugins

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so subbing is worth it then eh?

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sounds good, ty

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sometimes I feel like I just need a mentor hahaha

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also... rly nice background you have

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thanks bro

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hell yeah

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just need to be more proactive

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# obtuse fjord so subbing is worth it then eh?

There's lots of advantages to subscribing, like faster target machines and a faster VPN, full access to the AttackBox machine and all the Learning Paths, Networks etc. You can access hundreds of rooms and use some of those features on the Free tier.

I'm currently on Free Tier but have done loads on Premium the last few years, certainly worth the price, if you decide to take it. There's lots of people in here who'll tell you what's worth your time, attention and money when learning cybersec and I've definitely found it worthwhile

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I feel like I couldn't justify getting premium until I've finished most the free rooms

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Hey y’all, So I plan on double majoring in Finance and Cybersec in uni, what kinds of jobs would that get me?

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and I'm not in the finance area but possibly auditing would have a mixture of finance/privacy

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What Positions are likely to be opened for me if i have Cisco CCNA Cert?

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Do you have any professional experience in the computer industry or a degree?

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# obtuse fjord so subbing is worth it then eh?

Paths are keeping u focused and is so organized Also there's couple premium rooms that i wouldn't really like to miss, definitely worth it i come here to the server everyday saying how much i love THM for the info and help it gives as it is A beginner friendly

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Omg typing on the phone is so hard

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Systems Administrator

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I am an undergrad from robotics background. I would like to explore the basics of cybersecurity and stuffs.

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How can i do that ?

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Most Of the Rooms Are Free, but if u wanna be more Organized and unlock premium Content u can Subscribe

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sometimes, i see job postings with Associate Network Administrator

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How hard is it to go straight to a master's degree from college? (UK)

Looking at Southampton CS for cyber which requires A*AA or AAAA

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But in terms of the workload and course, much difference between masters and bachelor's?

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i didn't think you could without a bachelors

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unless you mean an integrated masters?

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I think it's an integrated masters?

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It's 4 years

quick forum
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Mkay, they don't offer any bachelors courses specifically for cyber

quick forum
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The course is accredited by the British Computer Society and is one of just 3 UK integrated master's degrees to be provisionally certified by the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC).

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yeah it's integrated masters

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Does anyone have any knowledge about the application testing career side for

Android / IOS / ARM Devices

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Hello, I had CCNA in 2019, I have a bachelors in computer science started masters in information communication and dropped out in the final year currently studying for masters in cybersecurity till July 2024, because of the trend in cloud I have started online course on awe security. My goal is to break into the cybersecurity industry as cybersecurity analysts I am 29 and have limited field experience I fear I’m getting too old and late any advise and suggestions I humbly welcome them. Thank you.

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Since when discord has recording lol

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And Good luck in your journey, the discord here has such an amazing Helpful community so if u have anything to ask about feel free 🙂

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Anybody know a good position in tech for somebody with 17 years marketing experience and now a sec+?

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Is it recommended to get a masters degree before getting a job in cyber, is it okay to get the job while doing the master's degree or is it recommended to do it after some experience?

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That’s UK reccomendation ^

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Tbf I'm not even in the UK

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Jobs

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Don't wait for a doctorate to apply

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There are no rules

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This progression isn't linear like this than this, it is more like hopping around and a little bit of luck depending on who you can convince, at the end of the day every employer has a different vision for security

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And what they deem important

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Some just want you to have networking knowledge, no degree, hands on with an EDR, at most basic level, stuff like that

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Some are more traditional

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If you feel like security analyst is too hard to interview for maybe try a few helpdesk roles

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Point is, apply

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Sooner you apply, sooner you interview, sooner you can talk to the hiring manager about what they want in a candidate, sooner you can align w the job description

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Sooner you can do things to complement the skill set

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Yeah I was just making sure whether it would be a bad idea because I rly want to do a masters degree

solemn marsh
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Somebody out there will say its a bad idea, but will that stop you?

warm hinge
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Just trying to get others opinions

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I mean I still have some time until masters but

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At the end of the day, there are two sides to every story, I personally think a masters would be diminishing returns but

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Collecting opinions ig

hazy turtle
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Yeah but don't base your career off of other peoples opinions

warm hinge
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And I mean masters more related to cryptography

warm hinge
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Still undergrad

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Idk I understand wanting insight

hazy turtle
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You can definitely get a job until then

solemn marsh
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But I think its something to be careful with

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You will always find someone with a different opinion and that means that strategy might have an integrity issue and run you in a loop if things got dodgy and one person suggested something that ends up setting you back

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Its a tough call that an individual has to make, career moves are tough, at the end of the day it is mainly getting a right person to give you a chance

warm hinge
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That's understandable, its just good to be cautious when time and money is on the line

warm hinge
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So..

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Well at the end of the day that's why we share ideas back n forth, we are all learning

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Society brings up society

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What were you going to get a masters in? What's your goal?

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That's at least what I'm set on for now

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A lot depends on what country you are in, in the US, it is generally a bad idea to get a masters before you have work experience. Other countries may feel differently

warm hinge
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I mean I'm in Europe and I plan on staying in Europe, just moving a different country but inside of the EU

warm hinge
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Yeah so it may be useful to ask for the specific country and maybe someone will know

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yea i mean if you want a specific degree for the knowledge, the power is yours, so long as you have the money, but for a career standpoint, there's not much holding you back other than the employers you come in contact with and whether they decide to give you a shot or not

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some employers want degrees, some don't some employers want certs, some don't, really just depends who gives you a chance

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Uni is v cheap in Europe

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Like 400 dollars a year in Germany for example

solemn marsh
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how long would it take to get the masters from where you are right now

warm hinge
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The living prices are the only problem

solemn marsh
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what's the time cost

warm hinge
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And probs 2 years for a masters

solemn marsh
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so like 4 more years from now?

warm hinge
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A lil over that

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But ye

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so we'll say 2028 you have your masters, you start applying with a masters

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what's your target job title,

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might want to see which jobs would be looking for cryptography masters

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see what they're paying, account for an inflation rate, and see what that could estimate to be in 2028

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and then ask yourself if it's worth sinking 5 years for it

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Honestly I have no specific targeted job title

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I just like learning stuff

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i dont mean this in any way, but I feel like a lot of people, including me at the start, we're driven by this sexy idea of cybersecurity, but with no clear goals. You need to get a clear idea for a career goal sooner rather than later, very specific target, so you can start searching the job description and equipping yourself for it

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that is, if this degree is so you can get a job

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if it's just for fun then disregard

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maybe take some inspiration from this search

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This is an interesting one

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190-285k is a nice range but you also need to subsidize your cost of time and initial cost for the masters degree

warm hinge
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Masters degree itself doesn't cost much here it's probs at most 4k

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But yea time is the only difference

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but how much money would you be sacrificing for all that time you're putting in

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What that 2nd one doesn't say is a principal architect is 10+ years of work experience and often 15+... plus that job range isn't much for a place where it costs 4 million for a starter home

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LOL

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Ur not wrong

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yea plenty of things to consider

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what is your bachelors in, vlamb

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Communications engineering

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networking stuff?

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Networking is probs the most common thing you'd see here so ye

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I joke abt being a tcp/ip stack engineer

solemn marsh
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kk picture this, how confident are you with networking? you start applying for network roles, you get your bachelors, either you get a job before the bachelors is finished or after

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but you start getting experience in the network role and then you can pivot into a security analyst role as you get experience and decide whether you still want to get that cryptography route

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all this is betting on chance but I feel like a network -> security pivot is easier

warm hinge
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I mean not too much rn but like I do take system administration and other classes that are related like next year

solemn marsh
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do you have an IT job atm or any in the past?

warm hinge
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No not rly

solemn marsh
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no worries, honestly might not be a bad idea to go thru this course for the networking concepts, see where you land, dont even have to take the cert test unless you want it

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i'm going thru it myself

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warm hinge
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I alr have had classes when it comes to netwkrking

solemn marsh
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this will give you a networking edge and from there you'll have a really strong foundation

warm hinge
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Like as far as understanding basic protocols and stuff Iye I alr did stuff like that

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I did some latency analysis in networks and some related stuff too

solemn marsh
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nice

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but remember, foundations are foundations, a strong foundation is important

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you want to know this stuff like the back of your hand if possible

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again, depends what you want to do

warm hinge
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But I can't say I can configure a router or a network

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That's what I can't do

solemn marsh
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this course uses packet tracer, software made by cisco, that lets you emulate configurations and stuff, it's a learning tool

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so you can get the hang of it with little to no start costs, just a computer and a packet tracer download

warm hinge
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I mean I'll be doing that stuff in uni too tbf

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Probs soon

solemn marsh
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yea true, your call,

warm hinge
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But like by next year I can easily apply for a sysadmin tbh

solemn marsh
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but like, what are you waiting for

warm hinge
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... Some issues w parents

solemn marsh
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ah, sorry to hear

warm hinge
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It's a long story but they are way too afraid I'll

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Leave uni if I get a job

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So they are trying as hard as they can to stop me

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It's so annoying

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Which is why I'll probs do it next year

solemn marsh
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what's wrong with leaving uni if you get a job

warm hinge
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Ask them

solemn marsh
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what is the point of university, isn't the end goal to get a job?>

warm hinge
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Rly idek

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And I wouldn't even leave anyway

solemn marsh
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i mean, assuming you have had the job for say, a year or two, you'll have enough experience to pivot anywhere after

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of course would be wise to finish the degree but there are plenty successful without one

warm hinge
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It would be a spectacularly dumb decision for me to leave given my grades rn but they rly don't get me one bit

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Still i have to get an internship at least to be able to finish uni

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It's a requirement

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So like

solemn marsh
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nice, sounds like a great opportunity there

warm hinge
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I'll try getting it next year and be like ye I'm basically done I need to do this

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And I will

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Until then I'll just be learning cybersec stuff ig

solemn marsh
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yea i mean, you can take as little or much time as you want but I don't see any downside to getting a headstart,

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the networking course i sent you, believe it or not, meshes into cybersecurity very well, there's a lot of overlap

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not so much on the cisco device configurations, but the network foundations you can apply anywhere

warm hinge
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Fair nuffs

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I mean

solemn marsh
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i mean, freedom, you can do anything you want

warm hinge
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Ig i can see why you're saying the thing abt the masters

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Ig i just don't know enough abt what stuff there is

solemn marsh
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but yeah, google around, it's fun

warm hinge
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Like I can easily stay a sysadmin though but

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I def wanna push myself as much as I can

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It would be a little

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Underwhelming to stay there, for me, to say the least

solemn marsh
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yea my mom was Level 1 / Level 2 helpdesk for maybe 20 years

warm hinge
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Cuz like I believe I can do much harder stuff which is why

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Given where I am rn

solemn marsh
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she wasnt really happy with IT but it just sorta worked

warm hinge
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Fair enough

solemn marsh
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But like, yeah, some people grow complacent, that's not a "bad thing" per se

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but, if you dont have the passion, it will definitely hit you

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I mean, idk if my mom is genuine when she says she hates IT, but, she says it from time to time because of her experiences

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makes it hard for me to share my successes with her

warm hinge
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Yea it really isn't bad

solemn marsh
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everytime I share my IT passions, it reminds her of her resentment

warm hinge
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That sucks =/

solemn marsh
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yeah it's an unfortunate scenario, but, can only pray about it and seek to accommodate, find the middle ground

warm hinge
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I'm so sorry

solemn marsh
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nono it's fine, it's something to grow from

warm hinge
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Oh but you definitely have people here to share the passions with :)

solemn marsh
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seeing the things in the moment can be hard but it's important to spend quality time with people you love

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particularly finding the striking conversation that everyone can laugh and relax about

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not particularly overwhelming or draining

solemn marsh
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thank goodness for the internet

warm hinge
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I guess we wouldn't have jobs to find otherwise either heh

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Internet sure do be a nice place

solemn marsh
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lol yea

rugged delta
# solemn marsh what is the point of university, isn't the end goal to get a job?>

The point of university is to get an advanced education in subjects a typical school is not equipped for. It trains you to have a deeper understanding of a particular set of disciplines, primarily learning how to be astute, to be able to identify good and useful knowledge, to be able to document and report on your discoveries in a meaningful and accurate and impartial way and to become specialised in a particular field and a particular subject within that field (or in multiple fields).

The fields that university teaches are frequently those needed by companies and governments and other organisations to do the work they need done but sometimes they're subjects that are interesting for their own sake, i.e. not everything you learn has a profit motive. This is why you can study the arts or music or any number of other subjects that allow exploration of realms that are interesting... That is, learning more about the universe (and some of its complexities) and adding that to the vast wealth of knowledge humanity has unveiled.

If you get a job and you're happy that you no longer need uni, if that's your determination, that's entirely up to you but you have to consider what opportunities you might miss out on and decide whether those are something you can live without, whether a future opportunity you find interesting hedges on whether you have a degree and what value that has to a potential employer or whether it will give value to you as a person at some point in your life.

I was considered one of the 'smart kids' even as a young child. It led to me being bored and unengaged in school and I didn't make the most of my first trip to college. A few years later in my mid 20s I went to a university and finished my bachelors degree while working full time and it opened up a lot of opportunities.

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Since then I've learned a lot about many things and I really treasure my knowledge and the joy I have in things like Linux, networks, the cloud, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, drones and more widely biology (my best subject in school), genetics, complexity science, astronomy, physics and maths in general... I've gone back and done two postgrads, one in IT management and another in cybersecurity and I'll likely do one in AI in the coming years but more opportunities keep opening up.

I was never good at languages other than English but I'll probably take time to get better at a couple of them that I've learned bits and pieces from. Some of the subjects that I've touched on are ones with incredible potential to discover things. It also means that I can ramble for hours about esoteric topics but most of the people around me have no knowledge of or interest in most of what I have to say.

What you get out of life is entirely your choice to discover and put in the effort and work on. If university isn't something you want to pursue, that's just fine. There's lots of ways to find fulfillment in life. Infinite avenues to explore. If finding a job and making money is your thing, that's your thing. Do it wholeheartedly. But know there's always opportunities to do other things too

warm hinge
rugged delta
# warm hinge very nicely put together

Thanks, that's liteally me just rambling 😛 One of the other things uni has granted me is the ability to parrot incessantly through my keyboard whatever thoughts entre my head. It makes college projects easier cos I can usually have a first draft of a paper in hours, leaving a lot more time to do the fun things in life 🙂

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Gave +1 Rep to @fleet rain

stoic cave
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James covered UK perspective

vapid plinth
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@warm hinge from what I've seen you're from my part of Europe (Balkans), the whole "cybersecurity" area is pretty new, so honestly, Master's won't price you out of anything, and we're not that rigorous when it comes to salaries dependant on education (used to be the case where it was extremely difficult to progress in any field without a high school/college diploma, but that attitude is dwindling). Companies will gladly offer you lower salaries despite you offering a Master's in the field.

As for the dilemma with your parents and education vs a job, I completely understand both sides, I think the best middle ground I could think of is an internship with 4 hour work days rather than 8, and proving to yourself mostly how you can handle that situation side by side with school and see where you can go from there.

warm hinge
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Thanks for the feedback both of you

shut zinc
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i've been on THM for a month and i'm close to finishing the first 5 paths, but i don't have much direction with what i study

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i want to take the security+ cert soon, but i'm not sure which paths are best for studying that

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also i'm not sure what to do after

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what are some good rooms to do before going for security+?

low wolf
shut zinc
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i've done all the network fundamentals covered in the pre security path

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what path are the cryptography rooms in?

low wolf
shut zinc
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thx

low wolf
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Sure mate

spice lava
# shut zinc thx

you might use search bar and find something that fits you needs

low wolf
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I’ll also take my sec+ in a few days. I’ve been scoring well on my practice exams

shut zinc
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are there any free sec+ practice exams?

low wolf
rugged delta
warm hinge
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Hey guys, I’m just a bit confused, are SANS NetWars just CTFs? I got signed up for one and watched a video of a demonstration but it was a bit confusing

rugged delta
solemn marsh
# rugged delta The point of university is to get an advanced education in subjects a typical sc...

Yeah, I appreciate your perspective. My reason for saying "what is the point" was more so in response to his parents being concerned he'd drop out of university if he got a job, since, to my perspective that would be the WHOLE POINT of going anyway. I could understand job stability as one of the factors for that concern, but if someone has enough experience from one job, they'll be able to pivot. The hardest part appears to be getting in, once you're in, you're in.

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Of course there are certainly people who go to Uni just to learn something for fun or to be more knowledgable, rather than to end up marketing it, so I guess that means there will be lots of different opinions

solemn marsh
livid solar
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Hi all, just wondering if anyone has any advice for me on how to get into an ethical hacking career

wooden pivot
livid solar
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Alright, thanks

warm hinge
wooden pivot
livid solar
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Lol

solemn marsh
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learn the fundamentals

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of networking

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if you don't know the fundamentals of how software and hardware you might want to go over that too

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can't hack something if you have no idea how it works, not very well anyway

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can't secure it either, again, generalizing - there's an extent, but you won't be able to do either of these skillfully and calculated without fundamentals

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@livid solar

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Also, do a job search for pentesting, ethical hacking jobs, and look at the job description to get an idea of the skillset you will need

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map out your path to align with a specific job description

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there's a lot more defensive jobs than offensive jobs, so keep that in mind. ethical hacking / red teaming is not an easy feat in terms of the job market

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i've heard people get junior pentester positions but that is very rare and definitely not common

livid solar
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Alright, this is really helpful, and I will definitely keep in mind, thanks!

solemn marsh
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of course, your dreams are possible, not trying to shatter them, but it will take work and discipline

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and passion

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i'm still on my path myself, so, we're all learning

livid solar
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I do have a reasonable understanding of some networking and IT it's just I need an overview of what I need to do to achieve my goals

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So thanks

solemn marsh
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yeah of course, go on linkedin or indeed and search some jobs

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read the different things people are looking for, take note, expose yourself to some key words in their listings

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and then you'll be able to start searching for specific things to learn in that list, for example, if a video says "must be able to triage incidents" you can start to look into what that means

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then you can build on that, understand, and start practicing

livid solar
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Yeah

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that's just one example, but, aligning to an end goal will ultimately help more than keeping things super broad, as the broader and less specific, it's not as targeted

hushed bone
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I Also got a question, I'm currently working on a Company in Portugal, i Just finished my CyberSecurity Associates degree and i got Security+ (And Currently pursuing CCNA Networking degree)
I'm Brazilian and i miss my country a lot, i wonder if it's possible to work remotely for a European/American Company while i'm living in Brazil.

static tide
sleek sedge
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Uhh did someone tag me here?

sand terrace
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does it make sense to go to graduate school for cybersecurity in the US

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google says that formal study is useless, but if i want to work in the US would it be better to study there first

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so that you can perhaps work there for a couple of months if the employer wants you to

low wolf
sand terrace
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someone told me that if you are currently doing a masters in the us, they will be able to see you around and take you

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since you're in the US physically, whereas if you're in Europe Asia or Africa you can't physically try out the job there

low wolf
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Now I don’t know about how credible education quality is outisde of Germany, France, U.K, and other western euro countries

sand terrace
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is that a valid concern

low wolf
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We live at an age where I can show my profile to CEOs

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Just, connections irl and online

sand terrace
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i see

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actually

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how good is my education quality, i study in singapore

low wolf
low wolf
sand terrace
low wolf
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They saw my profile

sand terrace
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there was this guy who asked NUS students and UT Austin students which university is better

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everyone at UT Austin said National University of Singapore, everyone at NUS said UT Austin

low wolf
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Wow

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I mean yeah, American universities are so fantasized

sand terrace
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because my university has honestly not a lot of hands-on content

low wolf
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You spend 1 year of your CS degree learning about humanities and chemistry…

sand terrace
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ive been to berkeley and you really get a lot of practice there

low wolf
sand terrace
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CS

low wolf
sand terrace
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i mean i can't work legally in the US, but you can

low wolf
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@sand terrace I’m doing a double major in Finance and Cybersec and I can’t tell you how obsessed I am with Singapore’s state-capitalism and their LVT

low wolf
sand terrace
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o

sand terrace
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so never mind

low wolf
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I know a guy who graduated in marketing from the U.K

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He works here in the U.S and he’s your average guy

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But yeah no, Berkley is an actual fun and useful place

sand terrace
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yes it deserves its high ranking

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you could say that my university tries to game the university world rankings

low wolf
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I know unis take in a lot of international students to boost their ranking

sand terrace
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then the administrators masturbate each other to the US universities lower than us

low wolf
sand terrace
low wolf
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They end up broken(morally)

sand terrace
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yeah im not personally sure about that but it sounds entirely plausible

pseudo creek
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Usually to get hired in the US, you need to be in the US. The exception to that is if you have a specialized skillset that is needed by a US company and they will find you or else you work for an international company and transfer to the US

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so thats why lots of people who want to live in the US come to school in the US

sand terrace
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ok sure

pseudo creek
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on the flip side, masters in cyber aren't very useful in the US unless you have experience first

sand terrace
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ok, hope to get experience first

low wolf
pseudo creek
low wolf
pseudo creek
# low wolf A masters

a masters is really only useful when you want to move to a management position or a lead position

low wolf
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Considering that I’m taking finance too

low wolf
sand terrace
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is it a thing to work remotely for a company in california without being in America

pseudo creek
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again if you have a specialized skillset that a company can't find elsewhere and they really want you, they may work with you

sand terrace
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i see, does anyone know about perhaps the possibility of getting a job in Europe

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if im not from there

flat sedge
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Most first world countries have a requirement that you're eligible to work in the country that office is located in.

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That is typically due to citizenship or a sponsored work visa.

warm hinge
hushed bone
warm hinge
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i mean the province

warm hinge
flat sedge
random mountain
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Does anyone know if it's better to go to college or focus on taking courses on the internet?

pseudo creek
random mountain
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People often go to college just to find out what they really want to do with their lives.

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i am from BRAZIL

pseudo creek
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thats a poor reason to go to college

random mountain
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yes LOL

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Most parents are very influencing their children to go to college

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and often the children only enter because of the parents

random mountain
pseudo creek
random mountain
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do you learn a lot of things there?

pseudo creek
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yes

random mountain
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where do you study or studied?

pseudo creek
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in the US, at a public university, but I'm from the US

random mountain
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you must have studied a lot to go to a public school

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university*

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thank you very much for your advice

warm violet
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Anyone in here working as an intel threat analyst or network security analyst?

rugged delta
# pseudo creek thats a poor reason to go to college

I kinda disagree with that. College is a great way to discover yourself as long as you understand that you're not just there to complete a course. The intention, the spirit of college is to help develop you as an individual, to encourage exploration outside the bounds of your classes and to figure out where you want to be. Of course, there's no guidance on this and there are no rules and most people aren't going in with big dreams and intentions outside the usual fun of finding friends, getting up to mischief and buying expensive hangovers. Speaking of which, I'm off to buy one right now 🍻 😁

paper rune
pseudo creek
hushed bone
# random mountain thank you very much for your advice

Eae blz? I would advice you to take the "Engenharia da Computação" course, it will teach you a lot about Networking, which maybe is the most important thing if you're starting you cybersec career, and it would also give you the engineer title, that helps a lot to get jobs in some countries, take a look to the course classes and see which one will teach you what you really need to know about cybersecurity, (idk if i'm allowed to speak Portuguese so i sent it in English xD)

radiant gorge
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hello guys i am looking for a job or internship as penetration tester (remote) anyone can help or recommend someone? Thank you so much

hazy turtle
hollow drift
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I wouldn't look at bug bounty as a job

radiant gorge
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@hazy turtle i want a job not freelance this bug bounty u can do alone but i am looking for pentester job and my free time i do bug bounty

dense dagger
hazy turtle
broken idol
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Regardless of where you live, and the cost of living.

hazy turtle
broken idol
hazy turtle
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I don't mean YOU, I mean the hypothetical person

pseudo creek
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lots of companies will do their best not to pay you, they will say that what you found isn't significant and also if someone finds it before you, then you are out of luck

broken idol
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I was about to say the timing.

hazy turtle
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Job stability is overrated in my opinion. From hardship comes excellence

pseudo creek
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also I was reading a story about one of the top bug bounty people one one of the bug bounty sites and they said they did it for 80/hours week for 6 months or so without finding a single paid finding... and it took them quite a bit longer to have something anywhere close to being livable (of course they were not in a LCOL country)

I think if someone has no job prospects and lives in a LCOL country, it is something they can look into

distant pier
dense dagger
pseudo creek
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Depends what kind.. lots of people from privilege have to ability to get nothing for years on end and pursue passion projects or jobs without stability

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I know plenty of people who were able to take riskier opportunities because they had family money and support to fall back on

dense dagger
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plus job stability doesnt mean youre not working hard or not being excellent

warm hinge
dense dagger
distant pier
alpine marsh
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Dear REDACTED,

I hope this email finds you well. My name is REDACTED and I am a student at REDACTED. I am reaching out to discuss my current academic situation and to explore the possibility of accelerating my learning or finding alternative ways to engage with the curriculum.

First and foremost, I want to make it clear that I am not considering dropping out of school. I value education and recognize its importance in my personal and professional development. However, I have been feeling increasingly disengaged and unchallenged in my classes, as I often find myself already familiar with the material being taught. This has led me to question whether my time might be better spent engaging in other activities, such as working or pursuing independent study.

I understand that skipping classes is generally discouraged, but I am wondering if there might be a way for me to demonstrate my knowledge and mastery of the material through tests or other assessments. This could potentially allow me to earn merit or credit for the courses I have already mastered, thereby enabling me to focus on more advanced or specialized topics that align with my interests and capabilities.

Moreover, I am curious about any opportunities that may exist for me to participate in longer stays at my apprenticeship. I believe that such opportunities would not only help me develop valuable skills but also reinvigorate my passion for learning by connecting the material to real-life experiences.

In light of the above, I kindly request a meeting with you to discuss my situation and explore possible solutions together. Your guidance and expertise are much appreciated, and I am eager to find a solution that will allow me to continue my education while also keeping me engaged and challenged.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I look forward to your response and the opportunity to discuss this further.

Sincerely,
REDACTED

What do people think about this, is there a better way that I can explain that I want to hear if there's a way that I can take some tests to prove that I know what I need to know and will be able to "skip" the classes to use my time more efficiently instead of being bored in school from not being challenged enough with what we are learning

spice lava
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will it help if you add bit of knowledge you have ?

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or they know you already

alpine marsh
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I am not sure, but I mean, he can see my grades, and I have talked with him before in person,

spice lava
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ahaa. so is not first time contact

alpine marsh
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not first ever talking, but I haven't spoken with him like this before, so that's why I am introducing myself at first 😄

spice lava
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if they know you and so on. then i think this is fair to let them know that you are interested in

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might be nice to let them know that you have more knowledge beside they know so far

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something:... beside the information that you know, i posses extra knowledge in area of...

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if might need or help

pseudo creek
alpine marsh
pseudo creek
alpine marsh
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fair, need to find out how to shorten it

static tide
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there's a large gap between being well competent at something and mastering it

alpine marsh
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yeah, mastery was just a direct translation from what I had written, as this email is originally not in english as it's not my first language

static tide
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fair

static tide
alpine marsh
static tide
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even better

alpine marsh
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Dear REDACTED,

I am a student at REDACTED and would like to discuss my academic situation. I am feeling disengaged in my classes as I am often familiar with the material being taught. I would like to explore options to accelerate my learning or find alternative ways to engage with the curriculum.

I am interested in demonstrating my competence and knowledge of the material through tests or assessments to potentially earn credit for courses I already have the competence needed to pass, I am also curious about opportunities to participate in longer apprenticeships times instead of going to class so I connect my learning to real-life experiences and feel more engaged and challenged in my learning.

Could we schedule a meeting to discuss my situation and possible solutions? Thank you for your time and guidance.

Sincerely,
REDACTED

spice lava
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it does sound more direct and more confident ( i think that is english word)

static tide
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confident

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but i don't think that is the right adjective to use here anyway

alpine marsh
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it's more punctual yeah

spice lava
serene umbraBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @static tide

solemn marsh
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It's free as a web app

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Highlights sentences that might be 'hard to read'

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Might help you with some ideas on rephrasing or making things a bit more concise

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The goal isn't to have no hard to read sentences, but more so, limit them and use them strategically

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But I use this when I am trying to be absolutely concise but impactful with my words.

long harness
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Passed the HR interview and now want to set up a second interview with 2 members of the technical team.

QQ: is it okay to ask the HR(Who will set up this call) about names of these two members so better research them on LinkedIn and possible questions and areas that might cover in the tech stack?

stoic cave
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Personally, I would not. Makes me feel a little weird as they are not publicly facing, if that makes sense.

long harness
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I don't get it but any other way to better prepare my self for this?

fringe spade
long harness
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Okay

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What about possible technical stuff. I assume it would be based on JD but can I ask and know if something else might be there

fringe spade
long harness
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DevSecOps

fringe spade
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Just as like you mentioned, JD would be the best source

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Maybe try to create sample questions using ChatGPT based on the job description? It will help you reinforce some knowledge

long harness
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Okay, cool. Thanks

flat sedge
long harness
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Thanks juun. It is not a sr or lead role but I guess always gets anxious about such interviews.

warm hinge
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Hello! I maybe asking a dumb question, but is Electronic Warfare related to Cybersecurity?

As I am studying Electronic Warfare, will it be useful that I study Cybersecurity too?

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I really want to study Cybersecurity because I enjoy it so much, but I was forced into taking another major, and the closest thing to it is electronic warfare. That is why I am curious if Cybersecurity is beneficial in that industry and would assist me.

pseudo creek
stoic cave
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EW in the classical sense is Electrical Engineering as zojja mentioned. There are aspects related to cyber now though. If you're looking for strictly cyber, it would be Information Warfare.

rugged delta
sturdy scarab
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anyone here from uk?

sleek sedge
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yes

stoic cave
quick forum
cunning shadowBOT
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Done!

cunning shadowBOT
modest vortex
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Hi I just recently watched a vid and it said that getting the qualys cert was a good way to get a career with basically no experience how reliable is that info; it almost seems too good to be true—- I don’t want to waste my time getting that cert when I should be doing something like studying for the comptia line of certs

pseudo creek
dense dagger
modest vortex
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Sweet thanks for the advice 🙂 I'll just continue going the comptia pathway then for now

marsh flax
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**I have an old Masters MSc. newly obtained certs would be proof in I'm knowledgeable with the newest technology
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Genie

Congratulations on obtaining new certifications! Obtaining new certifications is a great way to demonstrate your knowledge and skills in the latest technologies. However, it's important to keep in mind that having an old Masters degree can still be valuable, as it demonstrates a higher level of education and expertise in your field.

When it comes to job applications or interviews, you can highlight both your Masters degree and your new certifications. Be sure to emphasize how your Masters degree has provided you with a strong foundation in your field, while your new certifications have helped you stay up-to-date with the latest technologies and trends.

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*t's also important to continue learning and staying current with new developments in your field. Consider pursuing additional certifications or attending conferences and workshops to further enhance your skills and knowledge. This will help you remain competitive in the job market and demonstrate your commitment to ongoing professional development.

**You

Why are some certs cheap as in THM and certs very expensive Are they really that much more valuable?**

Genie

The cost of certifications can vary widely depending on a number of factors, such as the level of expertise required, the amount of time and resources needed to develop and administer the certification, and the perceived value of the certification in the job market.

Some certifications may be relatively inexpensive because they are designed to test basic knowledge or skills, and may not require extensive training or experience. Other certifications may be more expensive because they are designed for highly specialized areas of expertise, and may require significant investment in training, study materials, and testing.

In general, more expensive certifications may be more valuable if they are recognized as industry standards or are highly respected by employers. However, it's important to keep in mind that the value of a certification ultimately depends on how well it aligns with your career goals and the specific needs of the job market you are targeting. *

flat sedge
stoic cave
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Genie is AI isn't it?

distant pier
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Every time I see AI, I read it as Al, as in Al Bundy.™️

pseudo creek
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wtf

low wolf
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Hey y'all,

What is practically the difference between Cybersec and Infosec? I plan to double major in both Finance and either Info or something in computers

pseudo creek
low wolf
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Close enough?

pseudo creek
low wolf
serene umbraBOT
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Gave +1 Rep to @pseudo creek

broken idol
languid ore
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Hey everyone. Is anybody here involved in GRC? CRISC or CISO?

marsh flax
# flat sedge What's this wall of text for?

Not sure but seems I asked the genie chatgpt why some certs are ridiculously expensive, and some aren't and why bother when there is so much free learning cybersec material and exercises available online today anyway

dense dagger
marsh flax
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seems like the same thing to me

dense dagger
marsh flax
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ah ok, i haven't looked it up

flat sedge
# marsh flax ah ok, i haven't looked it up

So the answers you got back weren't really right. Deconstructing them will take a significant amount of time, so I'll just leave a couple of thoughts on the subject.

Part of what makes education valuable are all the so-called "filler" classes; learning about something outside of your interest areas shows that you can learn about things you don't care about, and that is a useful skill in the workforce.

Certificates of completion are only valuable to your career if you need credits to renew other certifications. A certification has a proctored exam and demonstrates that the taker can perform to a baseline. A certificate of completion is basically a participation trophy.

static tide
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would you not class ejpt as a cert then?

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or any elearn security cert i think

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as they’re not proctored

flat sedge
# static tide would you not class ejpt as a cert then?

as a certificate of completion for CPE or CE credits, sure. Many certs that require ongoing learning to maintain have minimal reporting requirements. It's still a big difference though, between this kind of certificate of completion and an industry certification. The second is a lot more rigorous, but not as rigorous as getting a degree.

calm spoke
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So I do appreciate it

lyric hazel
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Anyone taken the ISC 2 CC cert? is it good and worth?

odd veldt
# lyric hazel Anyone taken the ISC 2 CC cert? is it good and worth?

I took it as part of their free program: https://www.isc2.org/1mcc It depends on your experience - my only background in cyber before it was a coursera specialization on intro to cyber security by NYU and that covered most of what was in the CC training from ISC2. It's not very difficult - just basic cyber security concepts and vocab, but I am glad I did it as I am transitioning from a non-IT background towards cyber so it was nice to have. definitely a basic level cert though.

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warm hinge
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guys quick question, as a beginner with fragmented knowledge of IT should I do the A+ or jump directly to Network+. I have some background knowledge but I would like to avoid rushing

twilit mantle
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maybe you can check that one

warm hinge
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lemme see

warm hinge
twilit mantle