general

[dark wolf]

Start driving trucks or a trade

[worldly bay]

But the salary is tooo low

[dark wolf]

you'll make money much faster

[worldly bay]

trading you mean?

[sand trench]

https://archive.is/20260303151742/https://www.heise.de/en/news/Setback-for-the-Commission-EU-MEPs-let-chat-control-fail-11197237.html

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

[sturdy sequoia]

Then you need to change your expectations

[mortal sparrow]

if I know like the length of the answer in thm, can I use it for my own advantage or is that a bad practice

[sand trench]

yeah kinda

[dark wolf]

Depends on your goals

[peak lagoon]

Well its just for some assistance nothing much... you can choose not to count it

[worldly bay]

I was wondering to try print-on-demand. if you have ever heard of it. But idk I am not sure if it will work

[sturdy sequoia]

It won't

[worldly bay]

So what will any suggestions?

[sturdy sequoia]

Get a job

[radiant bloom]

@worldly bay Please slow down. Further spam will result in a short timeout.

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-jumpscare-atal-gif-10963426795696529755

[worldly bay]

Nah I am looking for something new and hot. Like dropshipping was years ago.

[wet eagle]

Guys I was wondering if it is necessary a PC for programming, pen testing and tinkering or is it just enough if I have an android 64bits with termux? thanks

[sturdy sequoia]

It's not enough

[bold rover]

Get a cheap ass laptop

[wet eagle]

whys that 🤔

[bold rover]

Lol, i searched ThinkPad

Book popped up

[mortal sparrow]

studying and learning.... i mean it's my first CTF in thm and I am already struggling...

[bold rover]

Study more

[dark wolf]

they make laptops for donkeys?

[bold rover]

They do i guess, donkeys are among us afterall

[mental spoke]

after around 10 hours of UI automation testing im going to have to ditch it for phase 2 of my tuning software because it needs to be too dynamic and complex. time to think up a new solution

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-donkey-idiot-bitch-gif-4653529

[dark wolf]

haha

[mortal sparrow]

i mean theory is nice but I need some practice too

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

Do rooms

[dark wolf]

I've done 50 CTFS on THM and still struggle on them

[mental spoke]

i already wasnt a fan of UI automation as its very fragile and hard to scale across systems beyond the origin system but

[wet eagle]

do I need to be a genius for cyber security and tinkering?

[polar spoke]

it's not so bad, don't be intimidated by crypto in general

[mental spoke]

if your IQ isnt above 130 just give up now /j you dont need to be one no

[dark wolf]

No, but you need to be able to figure things out and how things work on your own

[mortal sparrow]

damn... so i shouldnt feel bad huh...

[mental spoke]

We call this troubleshooting and problem solving skills

[molten solar]

Just persistent

[mortal sparrow]

what about claude to guide me? like teach basics, yay or nay?

[dark wolf]

Not at all. It takes a long time!

[wet eagle]

Okay thank you

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @dark wolf (current: #38 - 293)

[mental spoke]

if you are good at self troubleshooting you can get far

[wet eagle]

Okayy 😄

[polar spoke]

can work, but would suggest against it

[molten solar]

Some people like having the answer given to them, others relish the 3 days of research for a 5 second solution

[mental spoke]

you will be alright just stay at it :))

[dark wolf]

Claude could lie to you and you wouldn't know

[polar spoke]

^ exactly

[dark wolf]

If AI doesn't know, it makes stuff up

[mortal sparrow]

i would know if it wouldnt work i mean

[polar spoke]

it, arguably, takes more experience to effectively use an LLM for stuff

[mental spoke]

which is why its best to use a 100% human written source where you can guarantee the data is coming from a knowledgeable source

[mortal sparrow]

im not asking it to do it
mostly help with "how to document correctly" or tools to use

[molten solar]

@mortal sparrow If you are VERY careful wtih your prompting, and turn it from less of a "heres the answer" andmore to a "have you looked into X domain" consultant, it might work okay

[polar spoke]

a lot of people seem to think the opposite cough

[mental spoke]

depends on the complexity of the project.

[dark wolf]

Agreed!! Several times I have asked claude or gemini for help and I see that it's not going to help and wonder why it's having me do that

[polar spoke]

even for simple tasks, there's plenty of margin for error

[mortal sparrow]

I do run it like that

Dont give me the answer, guide me through it and let me figure it out but I still need ur help
``` type shit

[mental spoke]

anything past boiler plate complexity will choke the hell out of a vibe coder

[dark wolf]

Other times it gives me something and I'm too quick to judge

[mental spoke]

one thing thats becoming a depricated skill rn is front end web dev

AI can handle front end work like no other and do it effectively

[molten solar]

Eew. tell me about it. innovation is dead. everyone wants you to vibe it out

[mental spoke]

its a huge conversation in web dev right now and it lwky sucks

[molten solar]

I wrote a spec for osmeone recently. they wanted GLBA && HIPAA compliance AND they wanted to use agentic solutions and oh .. they wanted to do it all on one piece of bare metal.. like are you f*ng kidding me

[arctic spruce]

beep beep

[molten solar]

Heres how I propose you do it, you can pay me for this now, and follow it, or ignore it it up to you

[dark wolf]

bootstrap made it a lot easier for AI to do the rest of the work

[mental spoke]

i enjoy web development quite a bit, but its becoming more effective to get your html files spun up by an LLM and handle the backend logic yourself with guardrails if you use llm for backend

[bold rover]

Boop beep

[polar spoke]

lol "ai did my front end" is how half of the "someone used 80,000$ with my API key last night" stories start

[mental spoke]

idk things like codex review have gotten marginally better at this and it takes a basic understanding of web dev to avoid that exact issue

[molten solar]

I think that if you provide AI some very specific constraints on how to code your project. it will do alright. but by the time you explain the exact process of things. you might have well coded it yourself

[mental spoke]

thats an issue for vibe coders

[bold rover]

@polar spoke which hash you use to store passwds?

[polar spoke]

passwords for what system

[molten solar]

@polar spoke Oh thats easy ... Afghani Supreme Kush!

[polar spoke]

usually more of a constraint is whats available and what's going to work well in the intended environment

[mental spoke]

there was a recent study done where programmers feel 25% faster but are actually shown to be like 25% slower when using AI

[bold rover]

Your company I mean, you provide passwd protection

[dark wolf]

I looked it up as joke

[polar spoke]

and selection is just "whatever is strongest" after that

[dark wolf]

lol

[bold rover]

Name of it?

[mental spoke]

i do use ai for a lot of stuff that wont ever touch the hands of other ppl tho like self use softwares for my work

if its broken its something only i have to deal w

[narrow yew]

The better once are the job ads from phishing groups

they put out real ads

[polar spoke]

name of what?

[bold rover]

The hash you use

[polar spoke]

it depends

[bold rover]

Oh

[mental spoke]

but i also have to be extremely careful because my work is very sensitive and could result in the loss of thousands of dollars for me if anything goes wrong with my software

[polar spoke]

where available, high cost bcrypt is usually my suggestion

but in some cases it's either not available or there's requirements to use others

[mortal sparrow]

I believe it just opens to more vulnerabilities
LLM likes to skip security checks sometimes

[molten solar]

https://paste.me/paste/5c487b95-1553-417b-4ca9-d3e8f43a8262#a89143d90aa3b256fc6a26471ad07132fc64ca6464867bdc286ca8871c6839b3

[mortal sparrow]

also wordlist suggestion? like must try on first run ? and not the 10mil one please

[polar spoke]

Argon2id is recommended currently for some systems, FIPS wants PBKDF2 specifically, scrypt/yescrypt are being used on linux systems, etc.

[mental spoke]

this is why self experience is important. you need to make sure the necessary steps are implemented properly

[topaz steeple]

:3

Hello

[sullen plume]

Oh wow the exams are very expensive

[mortal sparrow]

nah not really compared to others

also fuck hydra man why the fuck is it so sloww mannnnnn

[sullen plume]

I never understand tho why 200-350€ for an exam

[sleek heron]

hello. sorry to bother, I have a question about learning linux + bash, Does anyone know if OverTheWire.labs.org is good for learning and starting linux, I want to get into cybersecurity before college

[topaz steeple]

True

[bold rover]

Ya i know about argon2id, got a generator for that, I like it, can I use it in daily life as a normal person?, or too extreme

[polar spoke]

"use it daily?"

what do you mean

[topaz steeple]

:3 overthewire bandit is nice for learning basics of linux.

[polar spoke]

where are you hashing passwords?

[sleek heron]

ok thank you, im currentlly on level 7 or 8, im just trying to do it after school and before work, im still in higschool

[mental spoke]

sadly if i accidentally send a bad hex address edit back to the ECU i brick it. checksums are very important

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @topaz steeple (current: #193 - 56)

[sullen plume]

I always knew that for in person exams you paid more cuz the professors and exam staff was gonna come and u basically had to pay them ofc, but for a website form it seems overkill

[bold rover]

Gonna build something, a local software I guess, where I can hash my passwords with argon2id, is that a good idea

[topaz steeple]

Or also you can try learning more bout linux by using it in a VM

[polar spoke]

whats the point?

[molten solar]

Take the plunge, boot bare metal, convert windows to a vm

[sleek heron]

yeah, right now im llearning it in overthewire, and then tryhackme.com

[mental spoke]

dual boot like a real lad

[sullen plume]

Learn about linux by daily driving it

[dark wolf]

In person exams (proctored) are more valuable than non-proctored exams because you can cheat on non-procotored exams. As a result, companies don't value them as much.

[sullen plume]

Its the best way

[topaz steeple]

Lovely start tbh.

[bold rover]

Safety,?
Just a project idea, came while I was taking a shower

[molten solar]

@mental spoke Dual boot ... amateur! Real people use vfio

[sullen plume]

Still why so much money

[polar spoke]

hashing passwords as a user doesn't really make any sense, how would you use them?

[topaz steeple]

[sullen plume]

Maybe the pass manager is where u input the password instead of a login form

[dark wolf]

Economics, supply and demand, perceived worth. Depends on who released the cert

[sullen plume]

Oh no actually

[bold rover]

Oh, shit right, it's for companies, where the user passwords are converted into hashes and matched up

[sleek heron]

Im doing linux --> Bash --> python --> C++ ---> ASM

this is my learning levels i guess you could say

[bold rover]

Fuck

These shower ideas

[topaz steeple]

:3

[polar spoke]

not sure what you mean here tbh

[molten solar]

You know. systems with 3 video cards, 5 hard drives, more cores than anyone can tell you why you'd want it, and enough ram with cash value currently that would make a day trader blush

[bold rover]

My bad chickenman

[polar spoke]

right

[bold rover]

Sorry

[sullen plume]

Good luck on assembly, also i recommend c and then cpp

[molten solar]

@sleek heron Hows your bash coming along?

[topaz steeple]

True

[sullen plume]

No idk either

[polar spoke]

lol no worries, this is why we ask questions 🙂

[topaz steeple]

Chickenman, got some chicken ?

[bold rover]

Well, what else can I do using hashing, as a project

[topaz steeple]

:3

[sullen plume]

I think thats cannibalism

[bold rover]

Thnx, I'm glad i asked

[polar spoke]

🐔

[bold rover]

[mental spoke]

imagine trying to get someone new to linux to use fucking vfio

and doing it with one GPU LOL

[topaz steeple]

Vfio?Whats that lol?

[polar spoke]

virtual access to hardware

[molten solar]

@mental spoke I used to work for redhat .. you ever walk a 90 friggin year old lady throgh settign up a soft uart modem to get to the internet on red hat 6.0 professional?

[dark wolf]

Are you going for Computer Science/Programming?

[sleek heron]

um im not sure i started linux last night via OverTheWire.labs.org, im understanding it very well, with cd, cat, pwd, find, cat ./ etc. but im only 2 hours in so far, I woulld have started with tryhackme.com, but my bank was blocking my payment so I had to go to the bank and unblock it

[topaz steeple]

Ohhh thats smart

[molten solar]

@mental spoke thats 2 hr conversation easy

[sullen plume]

Is vfio the wsl thingy?

Like where u see the os on windows

[topaz steeple]

Hot take: WSL is ass

[sullen plume]

Not a hot take its true

[sleek heron]

Yeah, im going to college for Comp science, and then doing a federal job, getting federal background and then hopefully joining Department of Defence for America

[polar spoke]

actually WSL, or more specifically WSL2, is very useful

it's just ass for what most people seem to be using it for

[topaz steeple]

Just use linux like a man.

[dark wolf]

I would learn C++ before python

[sullen plume]

Good luck!!

[polar spoke]

which is trying to pretend it's a VM

[sleek heron]

fr why ?

[mental spoke]

pass through your hardware in linux directy to a VM. basically results in full windows pc running near native with gpu performance in the vm

[sullen plume]

Hes njoking (hopefully)

[sleek heron]

isnt c++ hell hard for starting ? ?

[dark wolf]

C++ is object oriented, python starts with procederal

[wet eagle]

Hi guys! Quick question: why is networking so important in ethical hacking and pentesting? I'm starting Pre Security and want to understand why I should focus on it (or even if it's worth focusing on it) 😅 Thanks!

[mental spoke]

its for special linux ppl that like to be extra

[polar spoke]

WSL2 is a great way to build binaries when you're doing dev from a windows box and need to compile something

[topaz steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[dark wolf]

You as a programmer want proper programming instruction

[sullen plume]

If u want a the middle of c and python golang is cool

[bold rover]

Sorry, If I'm being mean or annoying, can I add you as a friend, because i really like hashing concepts and ideas, so and you are like a legend, it would we good have some guidance in my future ideas and projects, so if you don't mind
Thnx

[molten solar]

@sullen plume I have a computer. lets say its an asus x399-e rog strix with a threadripper (12 core currently). 128 gb of ram. 2 video cards. an rx 580 (8gb) and a rx 550 (4gb) with extra hdds, and a few other pci cards like an nvidia a-2 amphere card and .... a pci-e to usb-3 adapter . At boot time it reserves a few connectors, cables and whatnot. and effectively tells linux "YOU CANT HAVE THIS" .. like putting a "this table reserved for soandso" at a restraunt

[dark wolf]

it will be more difficult to learn C++ if you learn python first, but if you learn C++ first, python will be easeier

[polar spoke]

sure why not

[bold rover]

Thnx

[topaz steeple]

Truer words have never been spoken

[mental spoke]

thats kind of like handing a person thats never shot a gun an automatic browning and saying hit every shot on this target 50m away

[molten solar]

It boots off the 4gb unit and boots linux. Then when linux fulls boots, i can start qemu/libvirt vm of windows on the 8gb card with say 6 cores and 32gb of ram

[polar spoke]

why not just run a hypervisor

[sullen plume]

Oh and so u split ur pc into linux baremetal and windows baremetal all in the same time

[molten solar]

@polar spoke Because this way the taskset does not touch the reserved assets

[mental spoke]

starting on C++ is starting on newgame ++ imo

[sleek heron]

oh, lol I love hunting, fishing and shooting guns, so that woulldnt even be hard for me your exmaple is destroyed by me sorry ;-;

[sullen plume]

Also u'd have to have elon musk's net worth to afford that ram

[molten solar]

@sullen plume Exactly. Its a native windows system with only a teeny performance hit, and native linux system at full performance. and the linux system spawns multiple "guests " includin iwnodws.

[sleek heron]

I am outdoors man + comp nerd wtf is my life

[polar spoke]

seems a bit much but ok

[topaz steeple]

Dont even talk about the RAM. I cant even afford to speak it

[molten solar]

windows can even do secureboot

[sleek heron]

bruh i was going to buy an 1600$ pc buiild its not lilke $2500

[molten solar]

hardware keys, whatever you want. and with the vfio pci-e to us3 adfapter you get high quality sound output thorugh those stupid usb based soundcards

[sullen plume]

But is it like virtual desktops where u switch from a os to another with a flick of a finger

[topaz steeple]

Its only gon go up tho

[sullen plume]

They say its going down

[molten solar]

Then you loop the usb3 to the usb audio out back to the line in on the analog port, then remix THAT wiht the linux sounds to the analog out to the speakers

[polar spoke]

i have more RAM than I know what to do with and I still need more lol

[mental spoke]

i think its cool but i just dual boot and switch to win when i really need it or pop open a lighweight QUEM win vm

[topaz steeple]

How much

[molten solar]

@sullen plume Actually no. My windows has its own ports on kvm .. 4 monitors for windows, 3 monitors for linux

[polar spoke]

too much

[sleek heron]

Yeah, once i get my truck fixed and some stuff ill buy a hellla good one, someone hit my truck in ther parking lot whille i was in class thankfully there insurance payed ;-;

[mental spoke]

im actually triple booting still

[topaz steeple]

omg twinsssss

[molten solar]

Each system has its own usb-3 for hid .. and its own hdmi outs for video .. and so on

[sullen plume]

Its like ur pc is proxmox basically

[topaz steeple]

More RAM?!

Better lock em doors

[sullen plume]

But is linux and windows both virtualized, both baremetallized or one is host one is guest

[molten solar]

@sullen plume ...sort of, i use that too. but this isn't proxmox. It's the best of both worlds. not only do you7 have teh autonomous vm's and the ability to create dynamic cores and allocations, you have the ability to configure the host os to be optimal for those same settings

[sleek heron]

lol. i have a job so i can buy a good pc, which will last me for many many many many years so yeah, im not to worried, but damn 😭 ai companies stealing all ram

[mental spoke]

vfio is pretty complex

[molten solar]

I can pause my windows system, create a snapshot in 5 seconds to ssd. Turn it back on, and run an update. if it bricks, i can reboot with the snapshot

[sullen plume]

Sounds complex, never gonna touch it

[topaz steeple]

Ikrrr. I was thinking to buy too but now its all hopeless tbh

[mental spoke]

you need a specific personality type to handle it

[sullen plume]

Sounds very good, might touch it

[loud marlin]

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[sullen plume]

Oh no i have a shitty pc i forgot

[molten solar]

Yeah.. If you are "just use the default setup" you would never like this

[topaz steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[sleek heron]

i was trying to buy rtx 5090, + ryzen 9000x + 2, 32gb ddr5 sticks

[polar spoke]

don't tempt me, I might just set my swap to a mounted Google Drive

[sullen plume]

4 cpus, 16gb ddr4 512 nvme ssd

[sullen plume]

Hell nah

[topaz steeple]

Thats alot lol

[loud marlin]

dfack is wrong with you lol

[sullen plume]

Diabolic

[bold rover]

More than me, lol

[polar spoke]

that shit works

[bold rover]

Wat

[polar spoke]

it's just awful

[bold rover]

Lol

[sullen plume]

Vega 3

[sleek heron]

yeah. but i woulld have a system which can run anything no more worries, from the laptop i have right now

[topaz steeple]

What you got rn?

[sullen plume]

I wanna get a framework laptop theyre do cool

[molten solar]

Has anyone here ever written security standards before

[polar spoke]

https://scp-iota.github.io/software/2025/06/16/download-ram-swap-gdrive.html

[mental spoke]

thats kinda how my two linux distros i have in my triple boot setup are, they both use BTRFS snapshots and it captures during package installs and updates etc and every few hours etc. i can always return to them at any time if it fails

[topaz steeple]

Omg yes they are really cool but arent they like VERY expensive

[sullen plume]

Yes thats the issue

[sleek heron]

hp envy x360 laptop, 1tb ssd, 32gb ram, and ass ryzen 5000 amd, 5 graphics card, can barelly run fort on llow settings at 70 fps

[mental spoke]

and if the grub fails i can access my snapshots via the recovery tools on my USB

[sullen plume]

Isnt envy the printer

[topaz steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[river garden]

Hi chat

[sleek heron]

its decent for work + programing but for gamming, nahh bro dont even try not worth it

[sullen plume]

Excuse me? 5 GPUs????

[topaz steeple]

Yeah dont even

[bold rover]

Interesting, gonna see into it

[molten solar]

man's running quake so fast time flows backwards 😉

[sleek heron]

no i mean the ryzen 5 type 1 gpu type 5

damn that prob makes no sense reading it

I have ryzen 5, 500 series gpu

[molten solar]

like a vega 4k chipset?

[mental spoke]

the ram shortage is making ppl downbad

solutions will be found

[sleek heron]

frrrrrr bro

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/vega-my-beloved-street-fighter-gif-5437145503626990192

[mental spoke]

i lwky want to build a server stack with 256gb of DDR5

[polar spoke]

i need more storage AND RAM

killing me man

[mental spoke]

but im not mr moneybags rn

[sleek heron]

dang

i just want to buy a pc and save my money ;-;

[molten solar]

I love it for my minisforum hx90 but not much else .. and i really am entertaining the m2 nvme -> x4 pcie .. but i haven't found a card i want to build a power supply mount and chassis holder like a diy egpu with some chassis modifications to the box that has liquid silver in it. i mean what could go wrong

[sleek heron]

but yeah ...

[mental spoke]

it also needs to run a couple gpus in it, than it can handle ai tasks in the background

[sleek heron]

isnt liquid silver very good for cooling cpu, but very dangerous

[topaz steeple]

Tired of these subscriptions tbh. Need a NAS

[molten solar]

@mental spoke I'm still trying to model my a2 shroud and fan bracket

[topaz steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[polar spoke]

honestly, a box with 256gb doesn't sound too bad right now

you can get that done in low density

[molten solar]

@sleek heron Depends if youa re taking stuff apart or not. if you dont touch it, its usually not going to be an issue

[polar spoke]

and get away pretty efficiently on cost

[mental spoke]

will be worth it when its done

[sleek heron]

oh ok

[sharp sequoia]

How do I contact support

[mental spoke]

yeah it could be a lot worse im sure i could build it for an okay cost atm

[sleek heron]

so like who is the smartest person here

[molten solar]

@mental spoke O yeah. 60 watt amphere card with a 25cfm blower runnign around 28dBm

or is it dBa i forget

[mental spoke]

25cfm LOL

[loud marlin]

can i use usb stick ssd for swap =/

[polar spoke]

biggest issue is just that you're looking at a new platform, DDR4 boxes of that size are a lot cheaper

[polar spoke]

LOL

USB swap

[molten solar]

I mean the blower will do much higher than that. around 23-25cfm it will be entering into something with a cross section less than 4cm wide and about half cm high .. 23-25cfm is HUGE

[polar spoke]

why not

[mental spoke]

yeahh DDR4 is alot cheaper still than the ddr5 platform

[loud marlin]

well... yu started dumb things...

[sleek heron]

ok ill talk later i shouldl study some linux before i have to go to work

[mental spoke]

yeah 25 cfm is A LOT

[polar spoke]

CPUs for a DDR5 platform will cost you a pretty penny still

[molten solar]

@mental spoke I figure anything above that the noise starts to climb to the 60-70dBm/dBa whatever

[languid torrent]

Hey all, I don't know if this is the right channel to ask the question but would you know a good portable PC to make dev (java) and embark it? for 1100€?

[mental spoke]

is that comic sans

[polar spoke]

Sweet spot right now is 2nd or 3rd gen Epyc, ROME or MILAN, DDR4

[loud marlin]

nop... monofur nerd font

[mental spoke]

i agree actually

[mental spoke]

it looks good i was just messing

[molten solar]

@polar spoke but then yo have to design the hw specs to make them whisper quiet ... or they sound like they shoudl be in a datacenter

[topaz steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-thinking-anime-naruto-gif-13593873

[polar spoke]

lol this is easy

but also, for big systems, expect noise

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten solar]

my TR4 with 128gb of ram and all those videos and whatnot. makes .. 32dBm or less often around 30, only upwards of 32-35 when doing things like davinci renders

[polar spoke]

30 is probably the noise floor for your room

[molten solar]

More or less 🙂

[polar spoke]

honestly, if you're trying to do that, you're probably undercooling quite a few components

[molten solar]

@polar spoke Not even. just using VERY big fans

[polar spoke]

well, that could work in theory

[molten solar]

my corsairs got like 5 160's driving the central cooling, then a darkrock 4 tower cooler for the cpu and a 850 watt ps with big fan etc

[foggy escarp]

Good day friends!

[polar spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[loud marlin]

so much ppl with hard core pc, yet, no ne cracked my hash =/

[molten solar]

though it blows upwards onto my kbm, and then the ups .. and THATs causing a resonation that drives me crazy ..

[mental spoke]

i love building pcs but one thing i dont do is build open loop water cooling for ppl unless they pay me quite a bit extra

[molten solar]

What hash?

[polar spoke]

same 7z lol

[loud marlin]

yes

[mental spoke]

i dont like dealing with open loop and all the custom cooler blocks and connections and making sure everything is sealed with a purge test i just hate it

[polar spoke]

water loops aren't so bad

but they also aren't usually necessary

[loud marlin]

some ppl created hashcat (cough, cough) and nt even that no result

[polar spoke]

lol

would be easier to just find that file elsewhere

[mental spoke]

they are only necessary in workstations using really hot components all stacked together on extreme boards

[polar spoke]

yeah, it's a density move more than anything

or a heat transfer speed thing for some specific components

[mental spoke]

that too

[polar spoke]

but that's not as often the case as people seem to think

[molten solar]

I mean its only what half a million iterations per each attempt. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to waste power

[foggy escarp]

I have a question, I’m new into hash cracking; is there another tool that can be used to crack more hashes at once besides ophcrack?

[polar spoke]

lol

hashcat

[loud marlin]

hashcat

[molten solar]

Does matter if you roll yoru cat up and smoke it in a bong, you still gotta do it half a million times for each attempt

[foggy escarp]

I know hashcat and rock you

[sand trench]

shadow uses hashcat to heat their house in the winter

[foggy escarp]

Is there more?

[polar spoke]

not that bad tbh

[sand trench]

it is not very effective

[river ore]

Hello all

[foggy escarp]

Hey!!

[mental spoke]

once we reach the logical gate for the qubits to perform quantum gates. we will see qubit error correction at a high rate. and then you will see extreme encryption cracking

[wet eagle]

Hii

[loud marlin]

well... solve P=NP... and there you go

[polar spoke]

ehhhhhh yes and no

plenty of things will fall to quantum

but plenty of others will not

[molten solar]

@polar spoke Lets assume its a simply binary exponent. see that $19 in the hash?

[polar spoke]

which makes the hype kinda wacky

[loud marlin]

btw... nice mvie about solved P=NP
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1801123/

[mental spoke]

most standard encryption will fall but time will really tell

[polar spoke]

what about it?

[wet eagle]

guys if I ever use linux, which distro should I use?

[loud marlin]

arch

[narrow yew]

no no no

ubuntu!

[mental spoke]

Xubuntu.

[narrow yew]

dont listen to the archers

[mental spoke]

lightweight, simple to use

[wet eagle]

I've thought about Debian

[mental spoke]

arch is good once your comfortable with linux

[narrow yew]

it will get you in to a make-desktop-look-good spiral

and get you away from learning linux

[mental spoke]

this is what i did LMFAO

[narrow yew]

Debian, ubuntu great start

[wet eagle]

Okay thx!!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @narrow yew (current: #90 - 122)

[wet eagle]

thanks guys!

[mental spoke]

https://xubuntu.org/

[loud marlin]

what's wrong with arch =/

[mental spoke]

too complex for someone new. arch is rolling

[narrow yew]

it has nothing to do with linux at that point besides a pretty desktop

[mental spoke]

arch breaks a lot easier than the avg setup

[loud marlin]

didn't break arch, i break luks lol

[wet eagle]

I never understood the meme of "I use arch btw"

[river ore]

Arch is good for gaming

[mental spoke]

i dont use LUKS or anything like that

so i dont have to stress it

[wet eagle]

guys what about windows 11? 😭

[molten solar]

@El

[mental spoke]

what abt it?

[bold rover]

Yo, finnally my arch got fixed and I'm back

-# no anime girl as bg

[wet eagle]

I don't know, some people keep saying it's bad

[bold rover]

[mental spoke]

eh its got bloat but

[molten solar]

I mean there are worse operating systems than arch out there.

[half girder]

there are also people sayin bacon sucks

[molten solar]

(lord knows i use one)

[wet eagle]

true true

[bold rover]

Ahhhh, man I wish I could send you my arch desktop ss, you would have nuked windows

[half girder]

use whatever you are comfy with 🙂

[molten solar]

on the flip side, my os rebuilds no longer take 17 hrs since i set up a dinky lil 512gb ssd for builds

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/cs-go-squat-walking-walk-gun-video-game-gif-17500260

[bold rover]

-# I still need to install browser on it

[wet eagle]

Okayy got it!

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-reporting-for-duty-gif-8028065659591175424

[molten solar]

What is the most worthless OS you've ever tried.

[wet eagle]

Talking about browsers, is it okay if I stick with Google or should I consider using another one?

[bold rover]

Brave

Comes with inbuilt ad blocker

So you basically getting yt premium

[wet eagle]

:0

[bold rover]

Floating view or what ever you wanna call it

Exists

So ya

Have fun

[bold rover]

Windows

[molten solar]

@bold rover Which version though?

For me, its a tie up. i dont know if its BeOS, or os2 warp

BeOS was amazing ..but couldn't do anythign with it

Warp .. is just ugly

[bold rover]

11

[molten solar]

@bold rover Thats what happens when you fire your hundreds of dev team members in favor of a llm

[bold rover]

Fr

[mortal sparrow]

Ok another question I apologize
I kinda do understand what Claude says to use and which tools n why
But is it normal for a brute force room to brute for 30 minutes?

Or am I doing it the slow way?

[bold rover]

Just do it

Don't look at the time

[bold rover]

There's the quick way and the right way

[tame axle]

is this a good gpu ?

[bold rover]

Do what you must

[molten solar]

@mortal sparrow Take up crochetting, practice throwing cutlery, learn to sear a good steak/chicken breast

[polar spoke]

define good

[molten solar]

Meh. soso. What are you trying to do with it

[wet eagle]

:0

[tame axle]

im building a budget pc so im picking the parts

[mortal sparrow]

Yeah but neither did I or Claude could figure out a faster way

[mortal sparrow]

Yeah figured so
I played some Bloons TD mean while

[bold rover]

Then do it slowly while learning

No shame in that

[polar spoke]

well, it's on sale so can't argue with that tbh, but it depends what you want to do with it

[wet eagle]

what AI y'all using? I'm curious

[mortal sparrow]

Yeah?...
I guess thanks mate

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @bold rover (current: #382 - 23)

[mortal sparrow]

Claude

[molten solar]

... 16gb for that much is on sale .. smh

[bold rover]

Which model can we run on that type of gpu?

[wet eagle]

hmmm

[bold rover]

Locally

[polar spoke]

a lot of models

[molten solar]

If you are building a cheap computer .. and you aren't playing day 1 AAA games then get something lighter, and save that money for a new gpu later

[tame axle]

cybersec and val , warzone and counter strike thats it for the most

[polar spoke]

but not many that are worth running

[boreal scarab]

Holy wild Chickenman

[polar spoke]

it me

[bold rover]

I see, the max I could run was 8B models

[polar spoke]

8B dense yeah

[boreal scarab]

it you!

[polar spoke]

you can probably get ~30B sparse/MoE into 16GB with limited context and/or KV offload

[wet eagle]

get the 5090 😎 jk

[tame axle]

oh also aftereffects and blender

[bold rover]

True

[polar spoke]

i'm not sure it's worth it though

[bold rover]

Lol

[polar spoke]

models in that class are... good at specific tasks only

parakeet or whisper or similar would be a good example

but general LLMs? not so much

[wet eagle]

how hard is 3d modeling?

[bold rover]

I see

[molten solar]

You can run a 13B model on 16gb at what 1bp ?

@wet eagle Do you mean the programs? What kind of program are you using

[bold rover]

Nothing is hard, if you put you mind into it

[tame axle]

almost all of emm are on sale so i gota decide on one

[bold rover]

When deciding, you are taking your cpu into consideration right?

[tame axle]

yes

[molten solar]

BUy a cryptominers old one. then retrofit the cooling and clean it up?

[bold rover]

Good, don't want bottlenecks here

Have fun

[wet eagle]

I'm sorry I have no idea what you've just said 😢

[tame axle]

and also 16gb ddr5 enough ? cuz the cpu is am5

[polar spoke]

enough for what 🙂

[tame axle]

for all the stuff i told

[bold rover]

He always asks the right qns lol

[polar spoke]

kind of a wide range of use cases tbh

[molten solar]

16 gigabytes of ram can easily run a 13b parameter model with 1 byte per parameter resolution. not the best but better than say the q4 q8 models

[polar spoke]

on a dense model sure

but at 1bit, why even try

[wet eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[sharp citrus]

@wet eagle

Discord: How Do I Verify My TryHackMe Account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Mar 3, 2026, 9:12 PM

[polar spoke]

an MoE or other sparse model at Q4 will surely out perform a dense 13B at Q1

[bold rover]

Verify to send gifs

[wet eagle]

Okayyy thx!!!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @bold rover (current: #368 - 24)

[molten solar]

@polar spoke INT8

I wonder how well the kv context rollout/back works with FP16

[tame axle]

now lemme go find a case

[polar spoke]

need more VRAM 🙂

or really RAM in general

[molten solar]

Yeah, but how much does a 40gb vram card cost

[polar spoke]

not as much as you might think tbh

[bold rover]

Ahh, but gotta say, running our own llm is kinda fun, I like it

[polar spoke]

you can get very large cards for relatively cheap if you know where to look

but that's kinda not the move anymore

[bold rover]

2nd safe?

[polar spoke]

unless you have a specific small dense model to run

[marble lava]

No you need more than 16gb of ram for AE and blender to function properly

[molten solar]

Not very good results. i bvet most of those people are cranky about the fact it only does 16gb per model

[polar spoke]

chinese used market works wonders man

[marble lava]

Trust me get at LEAST 32 gb

[narrow yew]

dolphin-mistral 7b is great for smaller cards

[bold rover]

Lol, yaa

[narrow yew]

it creates proper exploit for bb

[clear wraith]

[weak rampart]

been running AE with 16 gigs of ram, AE is shit in all cases

[bold rover]

How's qwen

[polar spoke]

imo, seems like a waste to try to build out VRAM for home inference

the scaling math doesnt work

[marble lava]

Yeah but timeline scrubbing with 32 gb already is dogahit I canf imagine how much worse it gets with 16gb

[polar spoke]

unified or just CPU inference is far more cost effective for the scaling

[narrow yew]

Not even Qwen would call me a pedo and act lke nothing

[tame axle]

fuh ill have to go for a intel cpu cuz i aint got money for 32gb ddr5

[weak rampart]

you don't want to imagine that

[marble lava]

And doing anything in blender with 16gb will nuke ur pc

[molten solar]

I paid $480 or so for my A2 16GB .. and it works great for qwen 3? witrh reasonalble context length and then i also have another i load onto it nllb for hardcoded translations

[marble lava]

Really just save up dude is my best recommendation dont half ass the build

[bold rover]

Lol, I called you a pedologist

[narrow yew]

Quen is great, local Kimi is good also,
For every day builds I would say Gemini-CLI you get a TON of tokens per day, up to 10m

[molten solar]

If your using blender to do 3d graphic modeling. get 32 gb min. shot for64

[tame axle]

lemme see ddr5 price real quick

[marble lava]

Exactly

16gb in 2026 with something like blender or AE would be hell

Need to get MINIMUM 32

[narrow yew]

I use Kimi -cli. do not say not o much, Ollama runs dolphin 7b like a charm

[torn lark]

👋 Hello folks,
I'm an experienced full stack and blockchain dev with over 8 years of experience in advanced distributed systems and modern web applications.
Core Stack: Solidity, Rust, Move, Go, React, Next.js, TypeScript, Node.js, Express, PostgreSQL.
🤝 Happy to share knowledge, collaborate on ideas, or join discussions with other builders.

[wet eagle]

why was the ram price skyrocketing?

[marble lava]

AI

[narrow yew]

Relax with the 32gb. far from everyone can afford it

[bold rover]

Yo, can you check my site and rate it, I need your 8 years experience

[polar spoke]

production capacity buy out

[marble lava]

What can u not get a job?

[wet eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[tame axle]

tbh it aint that bad

[marble lava]

Driven by ai

[molten solar]

Chip plants all sold out, waiting lists making new stuff no old stuff being mfr'd. Since no new stuff availalbe, old stuff is now premium collectors crap

[narrow yew]

3090 24gb is what you should look for, dual if possible runs 32b models with ease

[narrow yew]

Aww cute

[marble lava]

3090?

[polar spoke]

well, started by AI and held up by panic buying lol

[molten solar]

@narrow yew I imagine that would be even better for training them

[bold rover]

Ofcourse it's not bad, its not coming from your pocket

[wet eagle]

Is DDR4 good nowadays?

[narrow yew]

you obviously have no idea what you talk about

[marble lava]

I do why would I run a 30 series graphics card in 2026 even if it was a 3090

[tame axle]

no im fitting it with in the budget

[polar spoke]

why wouldn't it be

[bold rover]

Cool, 24 is more than enough, but it's your choice

[polar spoke]

3090 is one of the most cost effective ways to get high RAM on a card with recent gen tensor cores

[wet eagle]

is there a lot of difference between ddr4 & ddr5?

[molten solar]

Dont you need something like 40+ just to run deepseek in high quant

[tame axle]

i also saved up like 200 gbp in my piggybank

[polar spoke]

bandwidth mostly

[polar spoke]

lol you need a lot more than that

[marble lava]

Dont care get at least a 40s series card

[wet eagle]

oh okayt

[molten solar]

@wet eagle Power, consumptions and speed

[polar spoke]

why?

[wet eagle]

Okayy 😄

[narrow yew]

24gb vram is the most common sweespot for running larget quant LLMs. the 3090ti and 4090 is performing great

if you can get dual 3090 24gb, get it instead of one 5090

[polar spoke]

you don't even need much in terms of performance out of the core

[marble lava]

Because I'm not running an old ass card

[narrow yew]

for LLMs,

[polar spoke]

VRAM bandwidth is the big limit

[bold rover]

Awesome, save some money or include peripherals in the budget

[tame axle]

so i can cover the ram up with tht

[polar spoke]

lol

[bold rover]

You know nothing

[narrow yew]

he has no clue, just big words

[marble lava]

🏳️‍🌈

[narrow yew]

telling me to get a job, the irony

[bold rover]

Lol

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[wet eagle]

guys I have a question, whats wrong about arch users? 🤔

[narrow yew]

flexig drugs

[tame axle]

nah my grandma gave me 150 to buy a printer or smth last yr but i ended up spending 50 bucks on esp32 board and bw16 board so now i have 80 im gonna use that for kb and mouse

[bold rover]

Ok, so what comes under peripherals, you know right

You got a monitor?

[polar spoke]

if you can swing it, A100s are going for decent prices in used markets still

[bold rover]

Gonna need those cat ear headphones

[tame axle]

that goes with the main budget

[tame axle]

im a guy and i also prefer iems

[bold rover]

Guys where them too

[marble lava]

"Guys"

[bold rover]

Cool

[wet eagle]

where do y'all buy your gaming stuff? at Corsair?

[molten solar]

Gaming stuff?

[wet eagle]

yes

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[narrow yew]

who has time for that

[marble lava]

Think he means like gaming lube

[tame axle]

i get my stuff from wooting or attkshark vxe or those kinda brands

[bold rover]

Adults are talking @marble lava

[narrow yew]

Well dont drop the soap

[molten solar]

@marble lava Hmmm.

Gaming lube .. For those new rectaltronics human interface devices?

[marble lava]

Show me a 10 ball right now

[tame axle]

frfr

[wet eagle]

Okayy

[bold rover]

You wanna see people's ball, ew

Ew

[molten solar]

What is gaming stuff?

[bold rover]

Disgusting

[narrow yew]

🎱

[wet eagle]

Like hardware, headphones, chairs...

[narrow yew]

Amazon.

[wet eagle]

Not gaming lube..

[bold rover]

Go take your drug money and flex on cars and other shit you do

[fervent cove]

Hi

[molten solar]

You buy chairs for gaming in? do you swap it to do computer work/office owrk?

[bold rover]

Kaaamiii

[wet eagle]

No, not personally

[narrow yew]

That was one of the worst flexes here in a long time, flexing money and pipes, as anyone would be impressed.

[molten solar]

Ive got a 25 or 30 yr old aeron C series .. the og caddilac chair

[fervent cove]

Why am i still green

I wanna be a new color

[tame axle]

chairs ? u wanna see what i sit on

[wet eagle]

Fair enough!!

[marble lava]

I dont have drug money, all my money comes from legitimate sources of income

[bold rover]

Fr, dumass, thinks he made money, now he's rich, tell him to buy a house or take care of a family

[marble lava]

I promise

[polar spoke]

you guys gotta start investing in BIG RAM

[molten solar]

lmao

[wet eagle]

idk

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/put-the-fries-in-the-bag-bro-fries-in-the-bag-we-get-it-bro-we-dont-care-i-dont-care-gif-5088712564862432479

Feds are listening

[marble lava]

Still ain't seen 10 bands from u

[bold rover]

We won't snitch

[dark wolf]

All i see is blocked message then your reply .. thats funny enough

[wet eagle]

Wasn't discord already spying on group chats?

[bold rover]

Cause I'm better than you

[narrow yew]

We do not need to flex 10 bands that is nothing

[marble lava]

50+ years old btw

[molten solar]

Won't need to, you have palanwhatever listening to all your interactions already

[narrow yew]

We own apartments and houses

[marble lava]

At what

[bold rover]

At everything

[marble lava]

Alright then show me 10 bands

[wet eagle]

why are you guys arguing

[weak rampart]

same guy who was defending drugs btw 🫩

[marble lava]

Not what I said but ok

[narrow yew]

drug guy is upset because nobody wants to flex

[weak rampart]

realistically you said it

[marble lava]

Mr 60th percentile in iq over here

[weak rampart]

that was your point

[marble lava]

It wssnt

But ok

The conversation was more around mortality than drugs if you remember

[wet eagle]

i can flex that I'm healthy:))

[marble lava]

Bloodwork

[weak rampart]

same uncle

[wet eagle]

what does that mean?

[marble lava]

Show the bloodwork

[weak rampart]

don't try to understand him you'll get a headache

[narrow yew]

It is a thing americans do to know they are "healthy" a lab checks your blood.

[wet eagle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759076580047061082/1179252382333407302/pou.gif

[narrow yew]

dont listen to stupid

[wet eagle]

okayy...

[marble lava]

Its stupid to get blood work done?

U serious?

[wet eagle]

man I don't even know my blood type

:((

[strong fjord]

have they given out the valentines prizes? I haven't received a voucher for the cert

[narrow yew]

what else could trigger him

[weak rampart]

me neither

[weak rampart]

trydateme

lowkey

he was talking about dating sum woman and shi

[molten solar]

@narrow yew Not hardy .. doy ou know how much a full panel of non required not covered by medical insurance, or "denied, no preauthorization" tests costs?

[narrow yew]

he would not understand it

[marble lava]

Bro cant even recall a convo from less than a week ago

[chilly veldt]

I get my bloodwork done every 6 months

[narrow yew]

In US, prob alot

[marble lava]

Might want to get that looked at

[weak rampart]

nah I'm joking 😭

[narrow yew]

in Sweden, 25$

[wet eagle]

I hope you're healthy!!

[marble lava]

Less than 100$ I can get everything you want and more off of a private company right now

[chilly veldt]

I am, it's to make sure that my hormones levels are correct

[weak rampart]

@narrow yew do you like western movies

[narrow yew]

And that is good

[marble lava]

I dont need to go through a doctor working for your government to get bloods I do it when I feel like it

[wet eagle]

okayy, I hope they are indeed correct!

[narrow yew]

Ofc I am old enought to have seen them

[chilly veldt]

my bloodworks are free 😌

[weak rampart]

I'm not old enough but I love them anyway

just watched one

[molten solar]

Meh, i'd just uct myself, is the blood red? Good. Is it flowing profusely, great. Did it stop? Yes, whats hte problem

[wet eagle]

is it true that America's healthcare is like hella expensive? 🤔

[marble lava]

I'm assuming they test your testosterone

[marble lava]

If u have shitty healthcare yes

If u get a good job it's not much

[chilly veldt]

both estrogen and testosterone

[polar spoke]

damn i left for like 10 seconds and now we are doing blood testing

[marble lava]

Offvhand do u know what testing methodology they used for your total test

[molten solar]

@wet eagle I pay $4k per yr in healthcare premiums just for hte PRIVILEGE of paying 14k of "covered health costs" out of pocket every year before a 20% codeductible kicks in and THEN it caps at 1M of total treatment over my life

[chilly veldt]

idk, like 8 vials of blood at least

[narrow yew]

you need to move my friend

[marble lava]

No I'm saying the analytical chemistry technique

There are multiple ways to figure out what your total is some are more accurate than others

[chilly veldt]

idk

[wet eagle]

Im sorry, is that good or bad? 😭

[weak rampart]

in my 17 years of life, I've got my blood tested literally 2 times what are y'all talking about

[lost citrus]

Hi. Can anyone teach me how to hack HTTPS sites?

[molten solar]

I've done minor elective surgery on my wife lol .. its cheaper than the hospital

[chilly veldt]

it's the hospital, so I guess the best

[polar spoke]

no 🙂

[marble lava]

If you look at your total test it probably says total (ECLIA) you dont want to use this testing methodology as its notoriously inaccurate

[slim shard]

Hey guys i have question which AI agent chat is the best for learn on THM? I use copilot for simply task, quizes and commands, tactis etc. Are there any better?

[lost citrus]

Thank you, I really appreciate you, dude.

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @polar spoke (current: #130 - 79)

[weak rampart]

that's not the place to ask for this

[wet eagle]

I don't know, I use grok tbh..

[marble lava]

The same thing also applies to your estradiol you usually to pay more depending on your insurance but the ideal testing methodology for total testing LC/MS-MS and for estradiol its equilibrium dialysis

[strong fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/echo-echo-ben-10-ben-10-echo-echo-oliver-10-oliver-blaze-gif-14068216204837911115

[slim shard]

Got it

[marble lava]

I'd recommend forking out the extra like 70 bucks total if u test those markers againv

[mortal sparrow]

ladies and gentleman! I present you! the first thm ive finished in 5 years!

[chilly veldt]

I don't pay for my tests

[wet eagle]

Hiii

[chilly veldt]

I get them for free, cause I am in Denmark

free healthcare

[marble lava]

Yeah but that's the point I'm making the FDA testing methodology tends to be the cheaper 1 which is the less accurate one

[mortal sparrow]

@dark wolf fuck u laughing at

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-trash-gif-26503253

[wet eagle]

Congrats man!!

[bold rover]

Time to destroy your mac

[marble lava]

I'd bet 100$ they use the cheaper analytical chemistry techniques which is going to give u a less than accurate result

[mortal sparrow]

its not a maccccc

[lost citrus]

Sorry my English is weak and I can't read well

[strong fjord]

mcnuggie

[bold rover]

I know when i see one

[narrow yew]

As a Swede, If I break my leg, ambulance gets me there, and for somewhat reason I have to stay 1-2 weeks.

This costs me 10$ per day in hospital in "care price". and ambulance it would be maybe 250$ all included.

[wet eagle]

is macOS good?

[narrow yew]

food x3 medicine the lots

[weak rampart]

Nah it's fine, I mean this isn't a server to ask for "teach me to hack" or something potentially illegal

[weak rampart]

no

[strong fjord]

bigmac

bigmac good

[narrow yew]

and I do not need a special super expensive health plan

[bold rover]

Nope that's mac with extra steps

No anime girl bg

No arch

[marble lava]

Go ahead and try to get bloodwork done

[mortal sparrow]

good point...
I like minimal..
any wallpaper suggestions?

[marble lava]

4 months to get a shitty CMP and CBC pannel

[boreal scarab]

Here in the US, say hello to $100,000 in debt!

[strong fjord]

all my homies use hmontanaOS

[bold rover]

I'll have to see, got 2gb of just wallpaper

[lost citrus]

Mashallah

[narrow yew]

I could go on drop-in tomorrow morning and pay 25$ patient's fee

for blood work

no problem at all

[mortal sparrow]

real

[torpid zinc]

Tragic

[weak rampart]

put on some tomboy stuff

[marble lava]

And guess what ur forced to be at the discression of your doctor as far as what markers that u can get and what testing methodology u use

I get to pick mine

[weak rampart]

I hate hospitals bro

stop talking about them

[narrow yew]

2 completely diffrent social systems, but that is us, a whole lot higher tax but schools, hostpital is free. medicine have a cap and after that medicine is free.

[mortal sparrow]

nah for that imma need the programming socks, i dont have that yet

https://klipy.com/gifs/socks-colorful

[weak rampart]

yet

[lost citrus]

Well, I got you.

[weak rampart]

okay goodnight

[viscid maple]

Yo guys

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/femboy-tomboy-discuss-discussion-kledv-gif-5388947035755135406

[marble lava]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-low-tier-god-ltg-gif-14017599608481192083

[wet eagle]

:0

[lost citrus]

https://youtu.be/AdQCja4MBcY?feature=shared

[wet eagle]

Hii

[viscid maple]

Is talking about the W*r allowed?

In the server

[wet eagle]

I don't know, don't ask me 🤷‍♂️

sry

[bold rover]

No

[marble lava]

Technically no but so many people break the rules here theres a good chance no one cares

[narrow yew]

We do not talk politics or things related to that

We are an infosec server, read pinned message's

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-rapper-raper-angry-anger-gif-17002797

[viscid maple]

I got an idea

[wet eagle]

yeah! We just talk about computer stuff!

[lost citrus]

Does anyone imagine that I have installed Kali Linux on the mobile 🤣🤣

[wet eagle]

I suppose

[viscid maple]

What offline gadgets/things you recommend do to then in case of internet loss?

[marble lava]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-push-back-his-hairline-gif-11241907652566626707

[bold rover]

Ya net hunter

[wet eagle]

a tamagotchi

[viscid maple]

Wth is that?

[narrow yew]

pew pews and my card that is not connected 🙂

[wet eagle]

:))

[viscid maple]

I’m fr

[narrow yew]

oh poor little soul

[viscid maple]

What can you do

[narrow yew]

it is a friend

[viscid maple]

Like with Raspberry Pi

[narrow yew]

in your pocket

[viscid maple]

💀

[lost citrus]

yes, and it's very stressful.

[narrow yew]

use google

its a thing

[bold rover]

Bellllaaaaaaa

[chilly veldt]

they use LC–MS and immunoassays for my hormone panels

[wet eagle]

let's just hope everyone is fine :))

[marble lava]

But what do they used for total test because lc ms and immunoassay are different for total test

It will either say LC-MS/MS for total or ELCIA

[viscid maple]

Fr I don’t wanna die before doing every man dream 😏

[marble lava]

U want it to say LC-MS/MS

[lost citrus]

َWho wants good deeds | من يريد حسنات

[wet eagle]

well guys, I doubt anyone cares but I'm going to sleep, stay safe and see y'all tomorrow, see ya!!

[chilly veldt]

it does say LC-MS/MS cause that's what my hospital does

[marble lava]

You are fortunate then

[chilly veldt]

it's standard here

[marble lava]

Does estradiol say Equilibirum dialysis or does it say ultrafilittation

Filtration*

[chilly veldt]

I haven't gotten estrogen results yet, cause I have only been on estrogen for 14 days

[marble lava]

Are you taking oral estrodi ol

[chilly veldt]

gel

[lost citrus]

The fire of hell and the wretched fate | نار جهنم و بئس المصير

[marble lava]

Alright dude

Also "estrogen" isnt really a marker ur gonna check all that really matters is your E2

[narrow yew]

are you still on about that

[quasi dome]

brother what are you doing

[chilly veldt]

well I still need to get a proper amount of estrone and estriol, so sure estradiol is what I intake

also progesterone levels needs to be correct

[marble lava]

Yes but heres what u need to consider typically the medication they give is a singular estrogen which will shut down your endogenous levels of sex hormones ur going to have crushed estriol and estrone as a result

[marble lava]

I dont really see the point in this

Unless ur a biological male progesterone introduction doesnt make much sense

Female*

[chilly veldt]

dude, it does

[marble lava]

No it doesnt

[quasi dome]

wtf is this conversation

[marble lava]

Here is why

The reason why a synthetic progestin is used in combined oral contraception in women isnt to replicate their progesterone production it's to stop them from ovulating

[tame axle]

what are yall arguing abt

[marble lava]

Progesterone is the main sex hormone responsible for regulation ovulation in women

[tame axle]

how do u kn so much abt drugs and chemicals

[marble lava]

Was into professional bodybuilding

Had to learn about steroids sex hormones and physiology

Unless ur endocrinologist is aware of some pathway that progesterone fulfils that I'm not aware of I dont see why u would add a progestin unless u have a uterus

It doesnt make sense

[mental spoke]

ditching UI automation was the right, move this angle will work

[dark wolf]

/report user XX CHROMOSOME CHECKER I don't know i have him blocked

oops, had a space in there

[narrow yew]

I think most are doing that

[marble lava]

Very funny buddy ur 50 btw

[narrow yew]

Such and odd fella

[tame axle]

aint aging normal ?

[marble lava]

Yes and acting that way at 50 isnt

[narrow yew]

you would have no clue

[river ore]

Wtf are yall on about in here

[narrow yew]

drug guy is hyper

calling out people and not letting Vigo be 50

because of reasons

[chilly veldt]

it does, it helps libido, mood changes, fullness of breasts, sleep, and overall helps boost the changes to your body under the influence of estrogen, multiple researches has been done on this, maybe you should focus on HRT related research instead of bodybuilding related research.

Progesterone is typically introduced around month 7 to year 3 of taking estrogen, to help boost the changes to your body.
I am literally in a research project as a subject about how progesterone helps in HRT related medical procedures

[tame axle]

freewill is a thing just letting ya kn

[dark wolf]

ok report worked

[marble lava]

@chilly veldt 1 thing I would say in taking a progestin is that there is a lot of reported deviancy in sexual desire it happens a lot with people who take steroids that are progestagenic in nature so I'd be cautious adding that thinking its useful I'm the context of hormone therapy

[marble lava]

90% of that is regulated by E2

[river ore]

Well @marble lava is a fool imo

[narrow yew]

I did that too,

[tame axle]

u sound like you could devlop a zombie virus or smth

[marble lava]

U would need to point to some metabolic pathway where progesterone is what is responsible outside of ovulation

[narrow yew]

Very much so

[marble lava]

Ur not going to find anything besides that and some neurostroid production

Neurosteroid*

[river ore]

Why are you even here lol

[tame axle]

buddy this aint a biology server

[narrow yew]

I think he's here just to troll and flex drug money

It has very little to do with infosec

[marble lava]

It's funny ur tagging only 1 individual in the conversation

[frail stag]

Ik this is off topic but I learned so much in Karmanya’s bot 😆

[river ore]

Lol flexing drug money in 2026

[dark wolf]

He got a 24 hour mute but still didn't get the message

[frail stag]

@kaizen

[dark wolf]

I wish karmanyas bot could come here

[marble lava]

Also idk how what I'm doing is trolling when I'm literally just explaining an oversight I think exists that would benefit @chilly veldt

[chilly veldt]

dude, 90% of that is broken because of E2, estrogen is providing mood changes, killing libido, ruining your sleep, it's been well documented, in HRT related projects, where as progesterone has been tested and documented that it helps regulate it.

Go talk to trans girls, it's literally what 95% of them are saying, cause WE ARE GOING THROUGH IT, so having a straight man come and say shit like that, is just, dumb

[frail stag]

Yessss same I agree - u see that karmanya 🥹👉👈

[tame axle]

well maby the one person im tagging is the only person who dosnt make sense here

[frail stag]

I had a little nap, I was sleeping for like 50 minutes lollll

[marble lava]

Ur acting as if me being straight has anything to do with me understanding pharmacodynamics as respectfully as possible I've studied this longer than u

[frail stag]

Phone in hand EVERYRHING

[narrow yew]

You been to school?

[tame axle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/who-asked-me-trying-to-find-who-asked

[marble lava]

I'm not trying to berate you but give a lens that perhaps u haven't considered so your PCP likely hasnt delved into the topic as much as they should we have the same issue in the states

[narrow yew]

mansplaining

[marble lava]

I've seen HRT clinics prescribe men 250 mgs of test a week it's insane how dumb some of these doctors are

[river ore]

Man's literally arguing over stupid shit

[bold rover]

Cause he's stupid

[chilly veldt]

how long have you studied it?

[marble lava]

Since 2019

[river ore]

Agreed

[narrow yew]

He have reddit I assume

[marble lava]

It isnt like I dont know what I'm talking about dude

[bold rover]

Leave him, tell me how are you doing,

How's your learning going

[narrow yew]

It is the wrong forum for your drug talk

[frail stag]

I think we should get Karmanyas bot - Kaizen to start arguing against XX chromosome checker, he wouldn’t last a second

[river ore]

I am good and it's going good

[echo sentinel]

Tf is the problem this time here?

[bold rover]

Which path you doing

[echo sentinel]

Every time I look here, someone is arguing

[marble lava]

I understand why ur adding in progesterone by all means do what u want the oversight I think ur making is u see the combined oral contraception given to women and think u should replicate that but the thing you miss is they ovulate and the progesterone is mainly to stop that

[bold rover]

This orange name guy xx

[narrow yew]

@dark wolf Imagine how fast he need to type to get all that down

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/copy-paste-paste-copy-ctrl-c-ctrl-v-gif-12913156

[marble lava]

Or like saying u care about your other estrogens like estrone I can tell I unless u have a synthetic version of it which I dont think u would use it's going to be crushed

[dark wolf]

I'm finding myself going to owlsec more and more. at least I know they are arguing lol

[river ore]

I'm almost done with cyber security 101

[dark wolf]

i blocked him the day he joined and have resisted urges to reveal blocked messages

[bold rover]

Aww, that's cool, so which side gonna take

[river ore]

Owlsec is a great place

[echo sentinel]

And probably about hacking lol - btw didn't sm1 breach owlecs's bot that is started spitting out some mess recently?

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cryptocurrency-divi-divi-wallet-divi-crypto-divi-project-gif-24645344

[river ore]

Red

[bold rover]

My man

That's nice

[dark wolf]

Maybe, I did't notice

[chilly veldt]

I've studied it since 2017 where I started trying to get into going through HRT, I've studied DIY, I know how to build it yourself, I have read pages of pages on what HRT does to you and how to do it properly, I have done research into adding progesterone, I have talked with trans people who are biochemists for this exact reason.

I have literally done research on how to get estrogen based on food cause meds weren't available, so sure, let's say you know more about the topic I am going through to live the life of who I am, than me

[torpid zinc]

Red

[bold rover]

You tooo

My man

[bold rover]

-# your wasting your time with this asshole honestly sis, but have fun i guess

[marble lava]

Ok let me ask a question then what is the main enzyme responsible for converting androgens to estrogens

[bold rover]

Aromatase

Next

Qn

[marble lava]

In what tissue is this primarily expressed

[tame axle]

i have smth better to argue abt . if you walk through a male ghost does that mean u had gay sex

[bold rover]

Ovaries

Next

[marble lava]

No

[bold rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sesame-street-write-gif-4298020

Finally made you stop

[marble lava]

Its expressed primarily in adipose tissue

[bold rover]

Now go sleep

[quasi dome]

thats my letter

[bold rover]

No one cares

[marble lava]

Clearly u do

[bold rover]

Lol

[marble lava]

U felt the need to google my question

[bold rover]

Nope

I knew it

[marble lava]

U didnt

[bold rover]

下衆野郎

[echo sentinel]

Bro, chill out and let people live - every time I see you here you're arguing with someone about some bullshit

[quasi dome]

K for "K*S"

[marble lava]

Because u wouldn't have said ovaries if u did

[river ore]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-nope-nope-nope-nope-nope-nope-nope-dont-like-that-gif-14985110360983495441

[bold rover]

It was a calculated error

Too low for your iq

[marble lava]

Urbcoming in at the end of a completely separate convo dont brow beat me when u have 0 context in what I said earlier

[bold rover]

It's alright

@marble lava

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[marble lava]

For sure dude

[bold rover]

@gusty inlet