general

[blissful current]

[surreal valve]

just doing recon on an old website which I ended up realising that it got deregisted along the way

[quick blaze]

smh damn skids man

[quick blaze]

squintyeyes

[knotty valve]

This is the worksafe banter in cyber

[somber garnet]

wassupp, how are yall

[quick blaze]

ello

[knotty valve]

Usually it's more or less unhinged depending on where you work

[rapid merlin]

LMAO i dont use msf

[round onyx]

nyahallo roma

[tight trout]

hiya roma

[molten crag]

makes sense

[blissful current]

Ello Roma

[somber garnet]

HIIIIII, hows ur day goinn guys?

[knotty valve]

Why not Et

Smh

[half badge]

"I don’t mind ’cause one day, you’ll respect the good kid, m.A.A.d city"

[somber garnet]

me too me too.....

[surreal valve]

So perhaps is there any other way you can advice me....

[rapid merlin]

nah i do respect them, wym i dont. but its fun waging wars, having rivals, just makes u better at what you do brother, accept the rivarly and become better

[quick blaze]

no im a skid

👍🏽

|| no im not guys i swear ||

[quick blaze]

bro's trying to have rivals within his own people thats crazy to me

[rapid merlin]

ok write payload for .NET reverse shell

[somber garnet]

msfvenom does that for me

[quick blaze]

i can't script yet

also im a blue teamer ffs............

i need automation and detection engineering type scripting, not revshells

fml

[knotty valve]

Also ew .net

DotPeek my beloved

[somber garnet]

learning red team stuffs can make u a better defender ^^

[quick blaze]

true

[rapid merlin]

small businesses use .NET , i hate .NET myself

[quick blaze]

damn...so you're going around pillaging small businesses? mods, ban this man

[rapid merlin]

write script to detect if file has macro or not then

[rapid merlin]

i work for one

[naive violet]

Large ones too

[quick blaze]

mfw i just said i cant script thats like my weakest link

[somber garnet]

why write your own tools if there are existing tools that does things like that

[quick blaze]

this ^

[blissful current]

imma head out

[somber garnet]

i love xoring my shellss^^^^^

[rapid merlin]

coz we are having friendly fight here owo

[quick blaze]

people who prefer 'originality' and 'self-made' tools for reasons of privacy or 'i can do it better' or the sort are idiots imo 👍🏽

[somber garnet]

byee karmaa

[rapid merlin]

waste of time yea XD

but good experience to have

[blissful current]

Bye Roma , catch y'all later when I'll lurk around on discord

[quick blaze]

why...just why....

[somber garnet]

its raininggg!!!!

[rapid merlin]

for developers yes... for us? its waste of time

[quick blaze]

wish it rained around here a bit more...its been a while since i've seen rain

[somber garnet]

makes sense, makes you understand things better

[rapid merlin]

yep

[somber garnet]

its rainy season here

[slow cloud]

But isnt that how all major tools are made? Someone going, i can do this better

[quick blaze]

my bad i just generalized it, i meant people/devs who always go "i'll just make this" for everything and create a literal replica and proclaim it as their own original creation, just for the sake of saying 'i made it myself'

now i have no idea if...thats a common issue for most people, but i know way too many people who do this ^ 😐

[rapid merlin]

and eventually people contributing and that makes tool everyone would use (maybe)

[knotty valve]

I have a fork of X would be better to say atm

[quick blaze]

and that'd be fine yes

[knotty valve]

I got autocorrected from atp to atm

Thanks phone

[safe oxide]

welp

we win some

we loose some

[somber garnet]

hiii

i hate javascript so muchh

i dont even like web hacking to begin with grrr

[tight trout]

realllll

i'm looking at some js malware and it's annoying af

[round onyx]

tbh....

[cloud quiver]

Then this is place that you should visit 🙂
https://tryhackme.com/room/javascriptessentials

[round onyx]

i don't really like webstuff

[sick lance]

@gray solar I can't help you reclaim your streaks.

If you needed this for a presentation tomorrow, you're a bit screwed.

[safe oxide]

lol

[sick lance]

In hindsight, if you need something for a presentation, it's probably a good idea to keep it up.

[gray solar]

Is there anyway I can double mail them ? Is it possible that they get me my streak back for second time ?

[sick lance]

You can, but it will more than likely not be restored until later in the week.

[gray solar]

How many days streak you have can anyone help who have over 30 days streak ?

A screen shot with my name on it will also work

Is there anyone who can help?

[sturdy river]

then just edit your profile screenshot and change the streak no.

[gray solar]

😂can’t do that

Editing is like very much unreal

[sick lance]

But using someone elses profile isn't?

[gray solar]

If there’s a proper screenshot then that might be more real

[sick lance]

Lol

[gray solar]

You can change profile name isn’t it ? So that will look more realistic

[tranquil geyser]

want my 2 days streak 🔥

[sturdy river]

[sick lance]

Good luck with your presentation tomorrow.

[modest charm]

inspect element and

if all you need is a print

[gray solar]

😂that’s great idea let me try it

[modest charm]

hacking since the Miocene

[whole gazelle]

grind is real

[gray solar]

Genius bro genius 😂I got my streaks back

[mellow narwhal]

Never have I seen someone so happy to do useless client side editing before lol

You do know that's not your real streak right

[tranquil geyser]

is there a way around vms suddenly crashing out of nowhere

[fallow rune]

Thanks 🙏 glad to join

[tranquil geyser]

welcome

[gray solar]

i'm happy cause my work is done

[gray solar]

and ik it's not my real streak but who cares

[mellow narwhal]

and what was that 'work' exactly

[gray solar]

i have my presentation tomorrow and i've include my 30 days plus streak ss in my presentation

i was trying to do it real but

yk i lost my 54 day streak

so this was the only option left for me

[mellow narwhal]

You could've just emailed THM and asked them to restore your streak

[gusty inlet]

Your streak is public to everyone. If your username or profile link is found anywhere, they can see it is fake.

[mellow narwhal]

But whatever you say "Munna bhaii" lol

[gray solar]

i mailed them for like 3 times today but they didn't respond

[gusty inlet]

It's Sunday.

[mellow narwhal]

3 times in a single day and you expected them to reply?

[gray solar]

yeah so i hope try hack me recover my streak asap

[gray solar]

like why not ?

the more number of mail you send the more importance you should get

[tranquil geyser]

meow

[gusty inlet]

Heard of Spam?

[gray solar]

yeah but ig you can't call 3 mails a spam ?

[cloud quiver]

They don't work on weekends

[gray solar]

it was not in the same moment

i have time gaps between 3 mails so i guess it's not spam

[gray solar]

ohh shit i forgot

[normal atlas]

i am a beginner where should i start from in this server

i am looking forward to learn a new skill

[cloud quiver]

#start-here 🙂

Check out this article

[mellow narwhal]

that's the exact opposite

[gray solar]

okay but they would have responded if it wasn't off day today

anyone play mlbb??

[mellow narwhal]

no, sending three emails in a day won't prompt an immediate response

[gray solar]

okay let's see tomorrow

[crystal mauve]

Good morning wifi wizards

[safe oxide]

mornin style

[crystal mauve]

Abdu did u sleep at all

[blissful current]

[sick lance]

It more than likely won't be tomorrow.

[sick lance]

The more you mail, the further down the list you go.

[sick lance]

Ah the good ol' inspect element.

[supple hatch]

Morning chat

[sick lance]

Haters will say this is fake.

[mellow narwhal]

https://tenor.com/9OEM.gif

[supple hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/100legit-100percent-legit-100percent-100-gif-26345339

[blissful current]

[last harbor]

Hallo all

[mortal ether]

This could be TryCatMe's new logo

[supple hatch]

Should be Hackers gonna hack

🙂‍↕️

[fleet kindle]

[knotty pendant]

[fleet pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[fleet pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[sick lance]

Please don't spam the same GIF over and over.

[supple hatch]

Dies from cringe

[wispy holly]

hello. just wondering why do a few learning pathways have redundant modules?

[sick lance]

"redundant" ?

[wispy holly]

my bad, as in "repeating"

[sick lance]

Can you give examples?

[safe oxide]

Chill

I heard health care is expensive

You'll prolly die again

[wispy holly]

on the road map web fundamentals pathway come after jr pen tester pathway. they both contain Introduction to Web Hacking.

its no biggie just wondering

[naive violet]

You might not have started on the fundamentals

[sick lance]

^

I had a technical test on an online platform, never again, I hope it's all done locally.

[wispy holly]

i see what you mean, so the progress in that section would auto-complete because i would do it in jr pentester pathway.

mb didnt think of it.

[sand trench]

ah yes sunday and finally time for the anniversery event in dragonfable

[sick lance]

Huh, when did THM start shutting down VM's when you've submitted the root flag, that is annoying,

[ripe sleet]

Hello Shadow!

[sand trench]

think that is a feature for when you just completed a room in a path and it moves you to the next

so you don't have tons of old vm:s running

[sand trench]

ello ello darkfly

might be slow to reply a lot today

[ripe sleet]

How're you?

[sand trench]

because gotta farm defender medals in dragonfable again :D

[sand trench]

tired

[ripe sleet]

Mood

[sick lance]

I wish there was a way to disable it.

[sand trench]

fair scrubz fair

[safe oxide]

Tryhackit

[ripe sleet]

Sounds like Bopit

[safe oxide]

[ripe sleet]

Scan it!
Break it!
Drop It!
Exploit it!
Steal it!
Sell It!
Profit!

[safe oxide]

Not good enough yet

[ripe sleet]

I tried

[safe oxide]

Good one

[ripe sleet]

I added two more

[safe oxide]

My dc changes font automatically

[safe oxide]

Rooms?

[half badge]

We got any vent channels? 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[ripe sleet]

Bop it commands

[safe oxide]

/dev/zero

Try talkin in that one

[ripe sleet]

/dev/null

[safe oxide]

Na null make you feel weird

[half badge]

Tf is dev zero

[safe oxide]

👀

[sick lance]

Produces nothing but 0's.

[safe oxide]

👍

[sick lance]

Instead of a black hole that is null, it's a "white hole"

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-pogchamp-poggers-poggie-shocked-gif-16464323

[safe oxide]

Brightfly go to white hole

[blissful current]

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-10691409393165026687

[safe oxide]

Chill chill

[ripe sleet]

I'm chill as a cuccumber, I just like messing with you

[safe oxide]

Sleep deprived?

[sand trench]

50 "waves" in
2950 to go :D

[vestal bone]

does anyone know why the text is white

I had to high-light it to read it

[sand trench]

dark mode on tryhackme????

[blissful current]

Neh ...bored

[vestal bone]

yes

[sand trench]

yeah that would most likely be the cause

put a report in #1333993673381253162

[vernal matrix]

guys are there somehow way to see the explaination in a video?

like not sb who reads what's there out loud

[sick lance]

Example?

[vernal matrix]

yk jeremy from jeremy's IT Lab?

he explains CCNA things

he says examples and explain it yk what i mean

[vernal matrix]

plus im a member in THM if there are any roles to get @cloud quiver

[sharp citrus]

Discord: How Do I Verify My TryHackMe Account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Jun 15, 2025, 4:14 PM

[cloud quiver]

You need to verify for roles

[sharp citrus]

Discord: How Do I Verify My TryHackMe Account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Jun 15, 2025, 4:14 PM

[vernal matrix]

how

[cloud quiver]

Follow instructions from the link above

[vestal bone]

here

[ripe sleet]

Hello KGB! How're you?

[round onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/mococo-beam-fuwawa-fuwamoco-dog-cat-gif-13118058127322463848

[ripe sleet]

Hello Zombie!

[round onyx]

hewwo dark-kun

[cloud quiver]

Thanks for asking , good 🙂 . How about you 🙂 ?

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @ripe sleet (current: #407 - 16)

[vernal matrix]

where to share that token

[vestal bone]

type /verify

[cloud quiver]

Click on your profile image on THM > Manage account settings

[vestal bone]

and enter your token

[vernal matrix]

alr done

[ripe sleet]

I'm doing good! I hope everything is going well with you as far as life goes

[vernal matrix]

thank u

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @vestal bone (current: #1164 - 4)

[round onyx]

the passive-aggressive energy is radiating off of KGB rn

[vestal bone]

social credit

[cloud quiver]

🙂 ?

[vestal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-credit-social-уважение-плюс-уважение-gif-1626328442317885176

[sick lance]

I don't know it, and there isn't much like that for THM materials, some rooms have videos recorded.

[ripe sleet]

I love it.

[sick lance]

TryHackMe advertised for a streaming content developer, I don't know if somebody applied and they hired somebody however.

[vestal bone]

who doesn't love social credit. SOCIAL CREDIT FOR EVERYONE🤑

[naive violet]

Plenty of other cyber content though

[ripe sleet]

it's like oprah

[vestal bone]

nvm it will cause inflation

[naive violet]

LiveOverflow, John Hammond

[vernal matrix]

Alr thanks bud

[ripe sleet]

Hello James!

[round onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1290402000810410037.webp?size=48&name=john~1

[naive violet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-you-who-are-you-excuse-me-leave-me-alone-mind-your-business-gif-15629630053949127615

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-ホロライブ-hologra-ホロぐら-yuzuki-choco-gif-23225749

Bruh

[vestal bone]

@vernal matrix your dm

[sick lance]

There is, however I thought they were strictly talking about TryHackMe content.

[vernal matrix]

what's with my dm?

u wanna add me u mean?

[vestal bone]

I sent you smth

[rapid merlin]

[round onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-raven-petting-comfy-sleepy-gif-5462938242020045036

[rapid merlin]

I am back

[sick lance]

You were gone?

[round onyx]

how is the glucose and sodium chloride doing?

[rapid merlin]

Went out for cat treats

[rapid merlin]

HAha very well thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @round onyx (current: #1003 - 5)

[round onyx]

make sure to give the orange demon a long distance pat from me as well

[ripe sleet]

Hello Salty!

[rapid merlin]

Will do 🙂

[rapid merlin]

Helloo

[blissful current]

[ripe sleet]

How're you doing Karma

[blissful current]

I had my door closed while I was eating, my cat jumped in from the opened window sneakily
It was my friend's room on 2nd Floor where I was sitting and eating at

Dedication for food

[rapid merlin]

Yeah they be like that :3

[lean helm]

Xup everyone

[blissful current]

[ripe sleet]

Hello there!

[lean helm]

Hw u doing

[urban vale]

How can i be like Mr robot

[soft furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-sweet-gif-14873390888373407849

[blissful current]

Fine , wby

[ripe sleet]

I remember that show

Catbug

[safe oxide]

Hmm ask mr robot

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/got-em-bass-fish-fishing-caught-gif-16235247

[urban vale]

I wanna hack google.com and be Eliot

[soft furnace]

me2

[ripe sleet]

Put down the fish Beerise!

[safe oxide]

Cool

Join bug bounty of google

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/squirt-bottle-squirting-face-funny-gif-16000698

[safe oxide]

Hallo matt

[slow cloud]

But can you hack 127.0.0.1?

[soft furnace]

https://bughunters.google.com/

[whole gazelle]

you leaked my ip 😭

[boreal scarab]

NEVER!

[whole gazelle]

sir i'm calling the police 🚓

[boreal scarab]

I will force you to come fishing with me @ripe sleet lol

[whole gazelle]

hello mr police come to discord!!!!

[safe oxide]

Please no Po Lice

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/kidnap-ready-to-go-ready-packing-revenge-gif-14345059

[sick lance]

I can't think of anything more boring than fishing.

[whole gazelle]

AYO

[vestal bone]

are bug bounties open all the year, or does the company give like a week of legal bug bounty?

[sick lance]

Oh yeah, darts.

[safe oxide]

Yippe

[ripe sleet]

Perhaps

[sick lance]

"legal bug bounty"...

Wat?

[whole gazelle]

golfing is pretty boring too imo

[soft furnace]

yup, why not

[ripe sleet]

Gonna kidnap me Matt?

[boreal scarab]

It's so nice and calming, the outdoors, fresh air, relaxation

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-himym-barney-stinson-neil-patrick-harris-challenge-accepted-gif-4594551

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-fisherman-fishing-calm-harmony-gif-2918952235090700693

[knotty pendant]

Send more cute cats

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/joji-filthy-frank-welcome-to-the-rice-fields-rice-fields-gif-15724064

[boreal scarab]

Damn right!

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/rice-basmati-best-rice-behsad-real-basmati-gif-10897781710846496626

[urban vale]

let me use nmap and ping flood the ip 😈

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/catfish-cat-paws-cute-cat-gif-13501536

[safe oxide]

Naaa hes gonna giveaway a luxury service for free

[shut hawk]

@lone thistle

[tawny magnet]

[shut hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-le-snitch-goat-james-le-getthemout-lakers-vs-pacers-gif-23917839

[boreal scarab]

[knotty pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014588795301146646/1351643497559621833/image0.gif

[ripe sleet]

Good luck finding me

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-cat-hacking-discord-cat-hacking-gif-7291827857434941047

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

[safe oxide]

It doesnt have hackin in text

https://tenor.com/view/breezy-hacker-im-in-matrix-laptop-gif-22983973

Close enough

[vestal bone]

so lazy....

found a text to speech program

[rapid merlin]

I want it

[sick lance]

Don't most browers not have in built text to speech?

[vestal bone]

Idk mine didn't

[vestal bone]

It's a firefox extension

[safe oxide]

The sound is bad

[crystal mauve]

question

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-here-when-you-come-right-down-findme-gif-14008292

[grim sparrow]

Done!

[vestal bone]

not for me

[crystal mauve]

does DNS spoofing solely rely on race conditions ?

[ripe sleet]

Bruh, I'm not in italy

[boreal scarab]

Yes you are!

Don't lie!

[ripe sleet]

I'm literally in the same state as you

[naive violet]

Iirc there's the sequence/numbers too

But ehhhh

DNSSec, DoH etc mitigate it

[boreal scarab]

[ripe sleet]

[blissful current]

[crystal mauve]

ahhh i see, so DNSSeC would use unpredictable ranges for transaction IDs and source ports

[naive violet]

No?

[crystal mauve]

no hmm?

[naive violet]

Read up about it

[boreal scarab]

[ripe sleet]

[boreal scarab]

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-explode-gif-17383346

Ahhh silence

[knotty pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/1284267611206717440/a_9e26d5f0c05c634233c9015fc1c0dc37.gif?size=1024

[safe oxide]

Nerd spotted

[ripe sleet]

[blissful current]

[boreal scarab]

[blissful current]

[safe oxide]

Chill ppl

No felonies allowed

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/garand-thumb-shooting-gif-24945466

[safe oxide]

Saaaaamsuung

[crystal mauve]

ok so dns already provides rng ports n ids, but these are predictable. DNSSeC provides cryptographic protection - gat it

[safe oxide]

[naive violet]

Cryptography completely elsewhere in the process.

[sick lance]

@quaint mist Let's not invite people to potentially dox you.

[quaint mist]

Aww

[sick lance]

I mean, let's not potentially allow a user in this server to breach Discord ToS.

[quaint mist]

K

I’ll talk on another thing then

Jk

Sry

Bye

[rapid merlin]

hey y’all

[ripe sleet]

Hello!

[rapid merlin]

how are you?

[ripe sleet]

Good

[safe oxide]

Hallo

Hry complex

Ity

[boreal scarab]

@ripe sleet do you want to go fishing?

https://tenor.com/view/madebymarble-frog-awkward-smile-fingers-together-gif-18792236

[blissful current]

[stiff geyser]

Hey why isnt chat loading

[boreal scarab]

[stiff geyser]

Where do you guys get those gifs from anyway with nitro or from somewhere else

[sand trench]

250 out of 3000 "waves" done

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-witch-magic-supernatural-powerful-gif-5930529822658379302

[ripe sleet]

Maybe

[boreal scarab]

Who the fuck said I was there? Lmfao

[ripe sleet]

Bruh

[stiff geyser]

Oh i found it where the emojis are

[boreal scarab]

Wooooh!

[ripe sleet]

Maybe las vegas has fishing spots

[boreal scarab]

Desert having a fishing spot

[ripe sleet]

It's called an oasis

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-catfish-brazilian-desert-fish-fish-on-land-fish-crawling-on-land-fish-on-sand-gif-415680547498627543

[vestal bone]

doing brupsuite course

again...

[rapid merlin]

Any of you gamers played the alters ?

[supple hatch]

Afternoon chat

[safe oxide]

👀

[safe oxide]

Hallo rabbit

[supple hatch]

Halo abdu

[safe oxide]

Hows your hole

[supple hatch]

The many meanings are tempting me to respond

But overall, I’m doing fine

[safe oxide]

Rabbit hole

[safe oxide]

Good

[supple hatch]

Got a math quiz tomorrow, not excited for that but I’m confident I’ll do alright

[supple hatch]

How about yourself?

[safe oxide]

Great as always

[safe oxide]

Letzz goo

[supple hatch]

Good, the sun is indeed shining today so I guess there is always a reason to be great

[safe oxide]

Ofcourse

[vestal bone]

[safe oxide]

Shh

Dont take it out of context

[supple hatch]

I was tempted

Took everything I had to hold back

[rapid merlin]

You know how on Medium you can add that (. . . ) to seperate parts. Do you know if theres something similar to that on word or Libre?

I'm writing up some documents and it looks nice

[supple hatch]

I’ve no clue what your talking about, but I hope someone who does shows up

[rapid merlin]

[fleet pivot]

guys

can anyone help
me with clash of clans

i just started

and im clueless

[safe oxide]

Hallo clueless am Abdullah

[sullen schooner]

Cringe

[safe oxide]

[sullen schooner]

No. And you should be banned

[ripe sleet]

I think I broke obsidian

Cursor became this after I dragged an image into this table

Reminds me of that kali glitch which turns your cursor into a box of whatever you were looking at

[rapid merlin]

Whenever I try to change user in windows 10 ( provide by thm) , it shows reconnecting , and i and not able to sign out..
Does anyone know what's is happening and how to fix it !?

[safe oxide]

Send em to https://tryhackme.com/admin

[round orbit]

Good idea

[safe oxide]

It doesnt rickroll

https://tenor.com/view/standing-kitty-cutiepie-gif-6698252999604200247

[round orbit]

Yeah we need a URL to rick roll

Maybe a long ass blank form for them to fill out which doesn’t do anything exept give fake errors like “This field needs more text” to waste their time

[safe oxide]

Ye

Scrubz do yk any rickroll redirects from thm

[sick lance]

Please don't bring any issues in a different server to this one.

[safe oxide]

Use cherrytree

[blissful current]

[supple hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dance-dancer-girl-anime-girl-gif-26428864

[safe oxide]

Chef karmaya

[safe oxide]

Delulu for

[round orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-drill-sergeant-yes-boss-yes-sir-all-right-gif-22599540

[blissful current]

[safe oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-bae-gif-7636319

[supple hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-payne-dummy-silly-come-on-gif-5141140

[ripe sleet]

I like obsidian though

[safe oxide]

Me too

[supple hatch]

Hai dark!

[ripe sleet]

Hello Usaggi!

[safe oxide]

👀

[supple hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/laid-back-camp-nadeshiko-kagamihara-wave-anime-gif-14395014036606108394

[blissful current]

[ripe sleet]

When obisdian is using 2.7 GB of ram

[supple hatch]

Joining owlsec purely for this emoji

[blissful current]

[round orbit]

Obsidian is the goat

[ripe sleet]

Yeah

[supple hatch]

[ripe sleet]

I think I should prolly split each room into it's note instead of putting them all together

[round orbit]

I actually wrote a blog on this

[ripe sleet]

It lags a lot

[round orbit]

Obsidian? Nah

Maybe if you’re not using it correctly

[random comet]

Obsidian works great for me.

[round orbit]

Same, I built an entire internal knowledge base for me and my team on it

And I use it to manage finances

Got a whole dashboard

[ripe sleet]

It's more when loading documents

But it depends on the document

I've pretty much been doing headers for the entire SOC 1 path in one file thus far

I'm at like 42,026 words or so

[rapid merlin]

[gusty inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-entrance-omni-man-explode-gif-21497546

[sterile garden]

i have just finished the metasploit basics. i wanna practice a lil more in metaspoilt cuz i seem to be struggling a bit. Are there any rooms u wld recommend?

[sterile garden]

i just did those lol, any other rooms?

[crystal kelp]

hey im just a beginner i want to start learn and im searching for a team to learn together

Dm me

[blissful current]

[tight trout]

[crystal mauve]

[tight trout]

[blissful current]

Ello mints

[tight trout]

yallo

how goes it

[blissful current]

Still...

[dark mason]

Do the "RootMe" ctf, and instead of using normal shells use Metasploit ones

That's what I did to get familiar with C2 for Metasploit

[round orbit]

I’m so grateful to be a UK citizen man

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/joji-filthy-frank-welcome-to-the-rice-fields-rice-fields-gif-15724064

[dark mason]

Otherwise do Brains and Blue

[sterile garden]

oh

ok thank you

i will try them out

[dark mason]

I am so grateful to be romanian

It though me a lot of skills

Like pickpocketing, picklocking... /j

[sterile garden]

just confirming

are these two different rooms?

[dark mason]

Yup yup

[quick blaze]

yes

[sterile garden]

my dumbass brain thought that it is a single room 💀

[quick blaze]

@dark mason i passed out and i slept for 3 hours this time btw 👍🏽

[dark mason]

I swear I will osint you, find your address and knock you out for 9 hours (mods, this is a joke, don't ban me pretty pls)

[quick blaze]

blatant doxxing and assault threats! mods, ban this guy!

[worldly tide]

The eternal blue "Blue" rooms sessions keeps dying 😦 in the meterpreter migrate and flag finding stage

[dark mason]

#room-help

[ripe sleet]

Hello DKob !

[modern lichen]

Hi all. I got a general question and just want to pick the people's brains that are more advanced. (I'm only about 2 weeks into the hacking).

Okay so I was doing the room "Top 10 OWASP-2021"
I'm on #4 insecure design - I read the instagram vuln that the room links to. And it was pretty cool. I think I understand the basic concept here of a flaw in the actual architecture of an application. "who's gonna be able to come from 4k IP and brute-force their way through a 6-digit code"

Okay so the room example plays this on a small scale - login as "joseph" reset password and the validation mechanism is - security code - of course a favorite color is pretty easy to guess. - I did this manually.

Well. that obviously isn't a great way if there is a much greater number of possibilities.
I did a Burp Suite room a little before this one. I think I can use that to do this but I'm pretty new and I've only done the basic room on burp suite.

Would that be the right or maybe a right way to do approach this? Or are there other tools or approaches I might also consider?

[chilly veldt]

blue can be unstable due to the exploit it's using, it's not broken, just give it a couple of tries

[ripe sleet]

Hello Bella!

[chilly veldt]

yello

[ripe sleet]

How did you do on your presentation?!

[modern lichen]

I had the same problem - try a different service to migrate. I think I used the spooler one.

[dark mason]

#room-help

[dark mason]

Uh

Wdym?

[ripe sleet]

I hope you did well Bella!

[modern lichen]

ah sorry lol

[dark mason]

All good lol

We can move to room help

[chilly veldt]

got told it was one of the best presentations that there was, and a lot of people added me on linkedin afterwards thanking me for the presentation

[ripe sleet]

Let's gooooooo! Congratulations!

[dark mason]

Did you use the glasses?

[chilly veldt]

nope, 100% bulshitting the presentation after making some slides with pictures

[dark mason]

I am

So proud

[chilly veldt]

it was quite literally just me retelling the story over again, so what could go wrong

[slow cloud]

Eternal blue is a very unstable exploit

[ripe sleet]

I'm glad it went well for you!

[chilly veldt]

thank you

it also gave people some laughs

[dark mason]

Wait what? How so?

[slow cloud]

Or it was the machine

Ive seen people say it here

[chilly veldt]

the exploit

[sick lance]

Eternalblue is unstable due to the BoF.

[slow cloud]

Idk tbh

[slow cloud]

What does BoF stand for?

[chilly veldt]

buffer overflow

[sick lance]

^

[slow cloud]

Ah thanks

[boreal scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859952810282844222/926250348669190194/FH4eDJTWQAE15IG.gif

[rapid merlin]

That gif has really made me want cheerios

[proven lark]

yo guys

the skill matrix thing on tryhackme

might be the best thing ever added tbh

[bleak quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-chat-funny-annoying-gif-8664986189922990414

Yoo

[rapid merlin]

Your profile pic spooky

[ripe sleet]

Hello Qurti!

[bleak quartz]

silly bear :)

[bleak quartz]

yo

[blissful current]

[rapid merlin]

Gawd I'm so bloody tired

[ripe sleet]

Sleep then

[rapid merlin]

😭

I want to finish this document

[tame sundial]

Hey everyone! I’m LIZZY, 20 from the UK. I deal with a bit of anxiety, so spaces like this that focus on care and understanding really mean a lot to me. I’m here to connect, share thoughts, and hopefully grow with some amazing people. My DMs are always open if you ever want to chat or just need someone to listen

[ripe sleet]

Hello Lizzy!

[last harbor]

Well, welcome to thm, lizzy

[sick lance]

Jesus christ some people can't aim on BO6.

[boreal scarab]

And you're one of em

[tight trout]

welcome lizzy!

[blissful current]

[ripe sleet]

Hello Minty!

[tight trout]

hiya

i actually passed out last night i think

got good sleep tho maybe

idk lol

[ripe sleet]

I'm in the process of splitting up different notes into their own separate notes

[boreal scarab]

Better be fishing notes

[ripe sleet]

nah

[boreal scarab]

[ripe sleet]

[boreal scarab]

[hallow stag]

I just finished my 600th room in tryhackme!

[ripe sleet]

Congratulations!

[rapid merlin]

congrats!

[sour canopy]

Happy Sunday everyone, and Happy Father's Day to any dad's put there

[kindred ravine]

thanks you too

[supple hatch]

Woop woop

[kindred ravine]

congrats

[hallow stag]

TY

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @kindred ravine (current: #2931 - 1)

[kindred ravine]

'?

[safe aspen]

Congratz!

[kindred ravine]

?

[slow cloud]

Whatsup @kindred ravine

[kindred ravine]

nothing much

nice to meet you

[blissful current]

[rugged pulsar]

catsuit

[kindred ravine]

Why are some channcels locked

do i have to get a specific role or something?

f.e. like gen chat

[rugged pulsar]

for example?

[blissful current]

Verify

[rugged pulsar]

yeah verify

[sharp citrus]

@kindred ravine

Discord: How Do I Verify My TryHackMe Account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Jun 15, 2025, 8:17 PM

[tight trout]

you need to verify

that's how ^

[kindred ravine]

okay thanks

[tight trout]

also it's my fucking cake day on reddit

5 years 😭

[blissful current]

[kindred ravine]

cool beans

im verified

[ripe sleet]

Congratulations! Happy Cake day!

[sand trench]

what cake???

which flavour profile

and shape???

[chilly veldt]

I hate making presentations

[sand trench]

shadow has traumatic stress about writing reports

[modest charm]

AI

some good ones out there that make the slides for you

[chilly veldt]

I have 10 minutes to get all this down

and focus more on the topics that I didn't get deep into on my report

but first!
dinner xD

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/dzej-selfie-but-first-let-me-take-a-selfie-gif-8369625

[crystal mauve]

I listed a book for 44$ just now n it sold in less than 2 min

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[crystal mauve]

Purchased it for 1$

[boreal scarab]

Mega stonks

BUY MORE

SELL MORE

[crystal mauve]

lol

[boreal scarab]

[crystal mauve]

Up only

[boreal scarab]

Viagra™

[fleet pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[boreal scarab]

Cheers fuckers

[ripe sleet]

Wow

[boreal scarab]

Smoked old fashioned

[ripe sleet]

You should've waited 7 minutes and then it would've been 5 o'clock somewhere

[boreal scarab]

Nuuuuu

It's 5 o'clock everywhere!

[wind lake]

What book

[wind lake]

Grdn rmmmsjy

[ripe sleet]

Hello Bee!

[loud marlin]

this looks like crap =/

[boreal scarab]

You look like crap

[loud marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[loud marlin]

coworker with almost 0 self preservation decide to try make tear-gas in lab... ended up "fun"

[ripe sleet]

Sounds hilarious

[wind lake]

howdy how you doing

[ripe sleet]

I'm doing good. How are you though?

[wind lake]

not bad just working on a fun deathcore song :)

[bleak quartz]

What kind of a alibaba store did u buy it from

😭

[ripe sleet]

Oh?

You make music?

[wind lake]

yeah

[ripe sleet]

That's cool

[rapid merlin]

All the red

[slender scaffold]

o/

[rapid merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-red-ranger-pose-posing-gif-8941922

[wind lake]

working on my debut solo metal EP as sacrificial abomination

[bleak quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-friends-music-on-listening-to-music-you-rock-gif-8431935461623622633

[slender scaffold]

I’m watch TWT

[ripe sleet]

I hope it goes well for you.

[wind lake]

yeah its going great

[ripe sleet]

That's good

[ripe sleet]

Whenever you release it. If it's on Spotify I'll listen to it

I wish you the utmost of luck bee!

[wind lake]

yep! ill send it ur way!

[ripe sleet]

Bet

[slender scaffold]

Such a nice Sunday

👀.

[sour canopy]

This is a legit question as I don't know much about bash scripting. Wouldn't it just be easier to run the script itself as a sudo command instead of having so many sudo commands in the script?

[rapid merlin]

You can really tell what I don't like.

I love how THM is calling me out on every turn.

[warm lynx]

Hello everyone

Is there anyone who’s specialising in DevSecOps?

[sour canopy]

Well we're all special and some of us do dive into DevSecOps

[boreal scarab]

@slender scaffold IITS A FWEATHERZ

[warm lynx]

I got some questions actually

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-lucille-ball-drunk-gif-12863617525859609237

[velvet smelt]

😩

😩

[warm lynx]

I do come from a devops background I just wanna know if the module in tryhackme is good to start with

[sour canopy]

Not going through a developer education i can't personally really say. I'm guessing you would have a good foundational networking and computer knowlege so you can probally skip the pre-security learning path. Maybe go over itad see if there are some areas you ,ay need to familarize yourself with. Then I'd probally start with the Security-101 course. It will give you a good foundational knowledge that I'm sure a lot of the DevSecOps courses will touch on

[rapid merlin]

did a CTF, finally I overcame myself and procrastination. Big win for me

[rapid merlin]

real

[worldly hearth]

What laptop do you purchase if you were me.

ACER PREDATOR (98-99, 1Lk)
ASUS Rog Strix G17 (98-99, 1Lk)
ASUS rog TUFF gaming laptop (75-80k)
HP VICTUS (75-80k)

[subtle viper]

I love your pfp. Where did you find it?

[rapid merlin]

pinterest

[rapid merlin]

So real

user flag you get easily, but root.. oh boy

[sour canopy]

Missed the optratunity to say "On my face"

[rapid merlin]

oops

[subtle viper]

It's not even as if root has anything interesting

[warm lynx]

Thx a lot

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @sour canopy (current: #1918 - 2)

[rapid merlin]

Need to work on my privesc skills, the thing i suck at currently

[subtle viper]

Show me one representative of the human race who actually places privilege levels on their devices

[subtle viper]

Same here in full honesty

It's always some stupid forgotten protocol or misconfiguration

Why would anyone even bother

[rapid merlin]

it's getting so hot in cali

i'm sweating bullets from a 1 minute walk

[rapid merlin]

yeah

[subtle viper]

Hey, bullets are expensive

[rapid merlin]

may start selling my sweat bulletsd

[subtle viper]

Pretty sure that's some sort of war crime

[rapid merlin]

war crimes r cool

[subtle viper]

Bio weaponry? Excessive suffering? Infection?- Awesome

[rapid merlin]

what's that one game where the point is to make a virus and infect everyone

[blissful current]

Plague inc?

[subtle viper]

Actually interestingly enough the Geneva Convention doesn't actually cover chem and bio weapons

[rapid merlin]

yeah that on e love it

[blissful current]

Yes

[rapid merlin]

so the geneva convention approves of bio warfare

w

[blissful current]

[subtle viper]

Technically< a separate document, practically not part of the Convention

[rapid merlin]

gonna go play some plague inc

[subtle viper]

Go, and know that you are not making any of the Swiss angry

[gusty inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-kakarot-gn-goodnight-goodnight-goku-gif-13960401236699096533

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/catfish-cat-paws-cute-cat-gif-13501536

[solemn dawn]

Guys

How do i scan how much devices in my network

Using kali

[subtle viper]

Rustscan or nmap

[solemn dawn]

What should i type with nmap

[boreal scarab]

nmap -vv -p- 192.168.0.0/24 or whatever your ip is, like 192.168.1.0, 2.0, etc etc

[solemn dawn]

Kk

[boreal scarab]

Could also do -Pn to not ping devices...... thanks Windows

[subtle viper]

The extra verbosity is mandatory

[boreal scarab]

[subtle viper]

I swear, it's like talking to a senile witch doctor without the -vv

[solemn dawn]

BRO WHY HE FIND 256 HOSTS 😭😭

[sullen schooner]

Hlo guys

[subtle viper]

Neighbours stealin'

[boreal scarab]

Because its scanning the whole ip range

[solemn dawn]

Oh

[boreal scarab]

You can also sign into your router to see all devices

[subtle viper]

My one is funnier though

[solemn dawn]

What should i do with open ports?

[boreal scarab]

I never do a nmap scan without -vv, even with a -o,

I NEED THAT VV!

[sour canopy]

Depends on the Port

[solemn dawn]

Wym

[subtle viper]

Which ports are open?

[ashen condor]

How many rooms do you guys complete in a day?

[blissful current]

[solemn dawn]

Should i say?

[subtle viper]

As long as you don't share the actual ip then it should be safe

[solemn dawn]

80

[subtle viper]

So it's literally just TCP

[ashen condor]

That doesn't really help us without any additional context

[solemn dawn]

What do they do with the ip except finding ur location

[subtle viper]

Nothing interesting

[solemn dawn]

53

[subtle viper]

If they don't know what they're doing, nothing

[solemn dawn]

What port is interesting?

[boreal scarab]

22

[subtle viper]

If they do know they might find a vuln to exploit, and that ends badly

[solemn dawn]

Means what?

[boreal scarab]

22 is love. 22 is life

SSH

[sour canopy]

port 23 is the best one

[solemn dawn]

Wth

[solemn dawn]

For what

[solemn dawn]

But how its just ip

[subtle viper]

Who uses telnet anymore?

[subtle viper]

You're new to cybersec, right?

[solemn dawn]

Not new im under new

[sour canopy]

Which is why if it's open it's the best one.
dind't say it's often

[subtle viper]

Fair

Btw, when you fish, do you catch coleacanths? I want to see what sort of luck you have

[solemn dawn]

Can u please explain to me?

If i have anyone ip

Or they have mine

How do i portect myself

[subtle viper]

Ok, so imagine the IP address as a house address

[solemn dawn]

Alr

So they can send u things using ur ip?

[sour canopy]

The security protocals you have range from leavinf your front door eide open, to a full security system with gaurds at the door

[subtle viper]

Every time you send or receive data it gets sent to that address. Then, it gets into tge smaller networks, usually connected by routers

Every device is like a specific person at that house

As blackeyed explained, the ports are like the entrances

[solemn dawn]

So the ports are like keys for the house?

[subtle viper]

More of like the separate entrances to each person's room

[solemn dawn]

glup

[subtle viper]

The protocols that govern the ports would be the keys/mailman

[rapid merlin]

How many people on THM?

like ever

[solemn dawn]

But how do they find ur ports

He must be in ur network right?

[mossy river]

Ports must be opened

[subtle viper]

Close to 5 million atm

[sour canopy]

If you're brand new to not even understanding IPs. I recommend studying a Comptia Network + course on YT. Don't need to pay for the cert, but Networking knowledge is the foundation of Cyber

[subtle viper]

Not sure abt all time

[mossy river]

You shouldn't need to worry about protecting yourself from someone pulling your IP address, I guarantee they don't know what to do with it

[rapid merlin]

Ah okay :3

Thats cool

[solemn dawn]

But befor i only see 2 ports open or do they change time to time?

[mossy river]

Not usually, no

[solemn dawn]

Dang

[mossy river]

You can learn cybersecurity on https://tryhackme.com/

[solemn dawn]

Its hard for cuz im not that good in English

[subtle viper]

Depends on what you're doing with your computer, for example hosting a webservice has different ports

[solemn dawn]

Like setoolkit?

When u clone sites

[sour canopy]

You're doing fine, you're getting your messages across

[subtle viper]

No, like a website

[solemn dawn]

Oh ok

[subtle viper]

If you were using your computer as the website's server

[solemn dawn]

I saw ppl using diff servers for free

Like serveo or idk

Dang im dumb at this

[subtle viper]

You're doing great

[sour canopy]

An example, you mentioned having port 80 open. That is something you don't want open unless you are hosting a website, because it allows access over the internet

[subtle viper]

And as an extension, it could be a vulnerability

[solemn dawn]

I get it

So should i close it or leave it?

[subtle viper]

In full honesty, doesn't really matter

Most actual breaches are bc of databases with your passwords being hacked, phishing (email) viruses and other easy hacks

[solemn dawn]

Can i ask u smth

[subtle viper]

Sure

[crystal mauve]

[solemn dawn]

I saw a vidoe on yt a storey about hacker they can use a tool that send u link or smth in sms

[subtle viper]

What of it?

[solemn dawn]

Is it real?

[subtle viper]

Yes

[solemn dawn]

Dang

I want to send sms to my phone

With kali

[sour canopy]

That is a concept call smishing

[solemn dawn]

Smashing u mean or...?

[subtle viper]

No

Smishing

[sour canopy]

no exactly as a spelt it

[subtle viper]

Sms+phishing

[solemn dawn]

Ohhh

[subtle viper]

Sm ishing

[solemn dawn]

What tool do they use

Setoolkit?

[naive mountain]

where are u getting setoolkit from lmao

There are 1000 ways to do it

[solemn dawn]

The only tool i can use 😭😭

[naive mountain]

And for what do you wanna use it for?

[sour canopy]

They use develop a malware, then they simply send that malware out with mass texting apps disgusised as a linki such as "You won a feee $100 Amazon Giftcard!"

[solemn dawn]

I saw a vid explaining it and ik how to use it

[naive mountain]

yea but why do you wanna use it

[honest shore]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-pants-long-pants-very-long-pants-africa-long-pants-black-guy-very-long-pants-gif-166271620319638461

[solemn dawn]

What is it

[ripe sleet]

Doesn't gophish exist too?

[solemn dawn]

Yo darkfly here :3

[naive mountain]

why do u wanna use setoolkit

[ripe sleet]

Hello Vulture!

[subtle viper]

And hiddeneye

[ripe sleet]

I haven't heard of that one unfortunately

[solemn dawn]

Im using it for curious
Dw only in localhost cuz idk how to put it in a server or a link

[subtle viper]

There's a thm room abt it

[sour canopy]

You want to be careful. You seem like youre being a "script kiddy" using tools without knowing how they actually work. If your not careful you can seriously mess something up

[solemn dawn]

glup

[naive mountain]

If you're curious, do TryHackMe and actually learn it instead of becoming a Script Kiddy

[solemn dawn]

Dang so script kiddy is just using things without knowing them?

Like having power with no brain

I get it

[subtle viper]

Even worse

The illusion of power

[ripe sleet]

I'll have to look into it

[solemn dawn]

Dang

[naive mountain]

basically you don't gain a thing from it

[subtle viper]

It's literally just called "hiddeneye"- ridiculously easy

[naive mountain]

If you try to do it to someone, it's illegal and if you have no idea anyways, you'll end up in jail/with charges quite easily

[solemn dawn]

Ye thats realy true cuz i spent a day learning it qith no clue how it work

[naive mountain]

and using it "locally" is useless if all you have to do is install it and follow a manual

so long story short: don't be a script kiddy and go learn

[solemn dawn]

But thm is hard for me

[naive mountain]

wdym

[solemn dawn]

Im bad at English

[naive mountain]

It is for every beginner

Then use google translate to translate it into your language while learning

[solemn dawn]

Its sucks

Cuz u guys using the names as English not as diff language

[naive mountain]

Well I don't know what language you're speaking but google or deepl (especially deepl) get the job done quite decent these days

[solemn dawn]

Brave browser 👌🏼

[naive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[boreal scarab]

My name is English?

[ripe sleet]

Hello Beerise!

[solemn dawn]

Welp

[boreal scarab]

IM TISPY!

[subtle viper]

Not all that well though- I had roach (the fish) be translated into "cockroach" like 1000 times

[ripe sleet]

Huh

[boreal scarab]

[solemn dawn]

😭😭

[ripe sleet]

Quick Question, do you want me to call you Matt or Beerise?

[boreal scarab]

Either or is fine with me

[willow beacon]

Me last night fr

[naive mountain]

again, depends on the language but it can get the job done if you really want to

[ripe sleet]

Okay, Matt

[naive mountain]

Well technically its Beerrise as in Beer arise which would explain the "im tipsy" part

[subtle viper]

Luckily I'm a fluent English speaker, I just have my native lang as my default

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-tom-and-jerry-wink-tongue-out-licking-gif-18403223452527974303

[solemn dawn]

So do i can learn with mobile like just learning basics then when im pro il use both pc and mobile?

[ripe sleet]

How much did you drink?

[boreal scarab]

2 OLD FASHIONED

Woooh!

[naive mountain]

completely depends what you wanna learn. PC and Mobile are two completely different fields

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-holmes-whiskey-cheers-another-drink-drink-gif-20536825

[solemn dawn]

Pc

[naive mountain]

Then why do you wanna learn mobile first?

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/nectar-of-the-gods-ron-swanson-gif-2433682195946264974

[ripe sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-gif-27326947

[solemn dawn]

I mean rn im on my bed and my pc is off so do i can still learn things?

[sour canopy]

Completely off topic, but here's my cat being a cat.

[solemn dawn]

Leaked

[ripe sleet]

Cat in the box!

[subtle viper]

I can hear the sound effect

[boreal scarab]

SUBMACAT!

[ripe sleet]

Make it 4 Old Fashion drinks

[boreal scarab]

[sour canopy]

I prefer my drinks new and fancy not old fashioned

[subtle viper]

Oh yeah, and sorry abt not sending you the recipes- still can't find most of them