general

[drowsy dust]

lol

[chilly veldt]

And I don't ask, cause my current position I am the most senior

So yes, I use Google all the time

Well actually DuckDuckGo but tomato, Tomato

[sand trench]

feel like google search has gone worse after they added in the AI part

ah yes duckduckgo the search engine that leaks info to microsoft

[analog flume]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-bill-gates-veritasium-happy-delighted-gif-24985720

[drowsy dust]

bing

[whole gazelle]

so duckduckgo is not safe???

[sand trench]

it is safer then google and dunno if they have removed all the connections to microsofts ad network by now

[drowsy dust]

Use the tor network. I love how slow it is :)

[whole gazelle]

okay, good to know

thanks

[sand trench]

https://www.wired.com/story/duckduckgo-microsoft-twitter-ft-bush-assassination-whatsapp/

i.e it was a big scandal when that was found out

[whole gazelle]

so yeah security is an illusion

[sand trench]

eh

[chilly veldt]

Fine, kagi it is then

[upper knoll]

the only secure system is the one not plugged in that no one accesses

[sand trench]

nah duckduckgo is still fine for most people shadow would say

[whole gazelle]

fair

[sand trench]

much better then plain google or bing

[mossy river]

You could say so

[chilly veldt]

You know kagi?

[sand trench]

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/06/in_brief_security/ @ornate meteor @whole gazelle

[boreal scarab]

I thought that was recent till I saw:

rising as signs grow that the US Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade’s protections on abortion rights.

Was about to say, that happened awhile ago

[sand trench]

so yeah they have started blocking said microsoft trackers now

[sand trench]

yes but don't use it as don't feel like paying for search engines
which is hypocrisy as shadow helps fund a server instance of searxng

[chilly veldt]

Lmao

I mean, understandable, I don't personally either, but got lots of friends who do

DDG is good enough for me still

[analog flume]

I have DuckDuckGo as my default search almost everywhere it can be set

one thing I appreciate most is being able to use bangs to send a search somewhere else

[sand trench]

mostly use a searxng instance hosted by a friend in germany
then some alternative searxng instances
then duckduckgo
and if shadow is feeling frisky: stract

https://stract.com/

don't expect good search results from stract yet

[analog flume]

!g ethical hacking
!w stuxnet

tis handy

[opaque flax]

DO YOU HAVE A FLEMMY

[sand trench]

eh firefox has a near equal thingy implemented into the url bar

[analog flume]

indeed, with the @ symbol instead of !

[sand trench]

yuups

or by using bookmark keyword searches

[granite narwhal]

how to find NVD

in \

can someone tell me

cve

[sand trench]

if you set a bookmark like this in firefox you can use the keyword to search things

[sand trench]

cve for what???

[granite narwhal]

Heartbleed

I feel myself is confuse

[sand trench]

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2014-0160

[granite narwhal]

how to find it

like how to use the search

I use

[boreal scarab]

Chicken on a raft

[opaque flax]

Just Google “heart bleed vulnerability cve”

[sand trench]

enter hearbleed into the keyword search box and hit the search

[boreal scarab]

Chilling in VC if anyone wants to join. Just listening to music

[opaque flax]

That too

Easy

[loud marlin]

idk how... but internet is made to search stuff easy

[sand trench]

yeah then some things got in the way and made search harder

[opaque flax]

AI be like

[granite narwhal]

checking the cve in the company which is called MITRE right?

[boreal scarab]

When'd they add this?

[granite narwhal]

tracking to it like for example tracking cve for all compaines and another thing is checking the vulnerability in all systekjs

[loud marlin]

dear lord... like 1y ago

iirc on kali purple release

[boreal scarab]

Listen.... I don't check what all tools it has, I just installed ema all because I can and went with it XD

[loud marlin]

i'm sorry for you... ❤️

[teal crypt]

What's with the permissions on the other channels?

I can't seem to chat in koth

[loud marlin]

there is some that need you to verify

[upper knoll]

^

[loud marlin]

connect THM and discord acc

[teal crypt]

i didn't get a servbot / auth msg though.

[upper knoll]

u wont

[sharp citrus]

Discord: How do I verify my TryHackMe account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Jan 17, 2025, 11:30 PM

[teal crypt]

shank you

[loud marlin]

shank you to

[sand trench]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0lldd30xlo.amp

how do you mess this up

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-roberto-stabbing-billy-west-philip-j-fry-gif-4051060

[jolly aspen]

@stone lotus please do not make unsolicited DM's or Friends requests @mossy river

[loud marlin]

soon you will start ignore that kind of things... life is to short for type all the time 🙂

[upper knoll]

icl i get them from time to time

[jolly aspen]

I thought dm's were blocked but I guess not. they are now, anyways just letting the mods know really

[loud marlin]

if i get 1euro for every time i reported frined req, now i had 0.7 euro's 🙂

[jolly aspen]

I had them turned off, but it seems some of the settings have changed since I set that all up

[loud marlin]

good old times when i used pingin with jabber... life was simple without friend req all the time 🙂

[stone lotus]

Okay

[mossy river]

Nope 😆 I have only ever had dogs and cats

[upper knoll]

do love some fluffy friends

[karmic hemlock]

Alright guys, we have 50 applications out between 2 platforms and already accrued 10+ rejections

If we keep going at this rate, I can do a livestream of a rejection letter tier list

[jolly aspen]

rookie numbers

you get moved up from the farm team once you hit triple digits

[elder peak]

I recently seen a photo of a V12 powered cybertruck, it looks better imo.

[opaque flax]

I want a Flemmy. One of my rabbits is a Dutch

The other I don’t remember the breed but is all white and has eyeliner

[jolly aspen]

Flemmy's are the really big ones right?

[opaque flax]

Yeah they are

[sand trench]

i.e how can you not know and realise your "car" is illegal in the uk and still drive it around there

[jolly aspen]

they're the...ones that make it into wellingtons, if i remember correctly

[sand trench]

sounds like that would be super obvious before you buy it or take it to the uk

[sinful moon]

Besides if you wanted an electric truck, get a much more practical Rivian one lol

probably even street legal in the UK as well

Although thankfully UK drivers are slightly more sane and realize they don’t need SUVs and Trucks to drive in the city and suburbs and never haul stuff like we have in the states

At least that’s what Euro Truck and popular media shows me lol

[jolly aspen]

something tells me, on par with quite a few cyber drivers, thats the whole point

[naive violet]

Eh, the SUV craze is absolutely here

Just not as bad

[sinful moon]

That’s somewhat good at least but yeah no one needs an SUV lol

[opaque flax]

I have needed an suv in the past

For work

But it was supplied by work

[sinful moon]

London in an SUV would probably be hellish

well we have huge american roads designed for them lol

[opaque flax]

Yeah but it had nothing to do with the roads

[mellow gull]

London doesn't need SUVs to be hellish

[opaque flax]

I absolutely needed an SUV

[sinful moon]

our answer to traffic congestion is always “add more lanes” lol

[mellow gull]

Anyways good afternoon

Passed out and got some sleep for the first time in several days

[opaque flax]

Good afternoon

[loud marlin]

afternoon? what time is in u place ?

[mellow gull]

Five PM?..

[blazing granite]

is there any other answer? 😉

[loud marlin]

oh... 0100 here

[naive violet]

When you get into the english countryside, that ground clearance can become necessary...

[mossy river]

£30 for a burger and some fries is disgusting. Uber eats needs to fix up

[opaque flax]

It’s 5 o’clock somewhere

[naive violet]

Cook for yourself!

[sinful moon]

The real answer is add a billion roundabouts according to Cities Skylines and UK/EU traffic lol

[opaque flax]

Time for drinking!

[mellow gull]

Food delivery has been falling off with pricing in general, it's crazy

[sinful moon]

nah that just means it’s Subaru WRX time

[naive violet]

This is what happens when you build your business on venture capital

That'll drown in the fords

[mellow gull]

...Germany?

[sinful moon]

Down by the fjords

[loud marlin]

NL

[mellow gull]

Well, or most of the EU, really-

Yeah

[karmic hemlock]

Shall we make it 100 by the end of next week?

[blazing granite]

so any time. It's always 5 pm some place in the world 😂

[mellow gull]

As it turns out disenfranchising your entire "not really employee" base and fleecing your customers with insane invisible pricing schemes is "not good."

[opaque flax]

Exactly

[naive violet]

I won't get political about it but it turns out having employees that you claim technically aren't your employees whenever it comes to them getting rights is... not so sustainable either

[mellow gull]

I don't necessarily think that's a political take, but I concur nonetheless.

[sinful moon]

Hey that’s me! lol independent out of state contractor

aka it was easier for the company to not worry about our taxes this way lol

and benefits, and, and and…

[jolly aspen]

a friend of mine drove for uber for a while. we collected all his wage data and found that no matter how much his tip percentage increased in a week. his "hourly" rate remained the same - it seemed to suggest that recieving good tips caused a balancing function on subsequent rides giving him less favorable mile rate and share of ride cost. ultimately "legally" stealing their tips

[sinful moon]

Instead I have to mind my own withholding for taxes which is a pain in the butt

Awesome to see 14K in the bank, but no I need that to pay the government myself 🙃

[jolly aspen]

this included some wierd bonus structures they had - which they didnt really get a bonus in pay, hourly was always the same

[boreal scarab]

Oh @sinful moon You said there were better DAC's. What do you reccomend?

We still chilling in VC listening to Music if anyone is interested

[mellow gull]

There's a lot of anecdotal data to suggest that Uber intentionally tries to manipulate high-activity times to maximize the amount of return they get while increasing the competition between, and therefore reducing the gains, of any one "individual" driver.

[sinful moon]

How high end are you looking and do you mind if a company is literally named Schiit

if you’re looking for desktop units, they are the goto

[mellow gull]

This is not the worst company name I've heard of, and not the worst one I've actually been associated with

[sinful moon]

Fiio DACs are also great and can be more portable if needed

[jolly aspen]

yea, his data showed the same. I saw an article about something similar so we did the processing and got similar results

[mossy river]

I would but all the stores in my town are closed (it's a really small town) and I don't have anything to cook.
I haven't cooked for the last week due to not being home 😓

[naive violet]

You don't keep freezer stuff?

[boreal scarab]

I'm not an audiophile, but I like my bass and quallity. And no, I don't mind if the company is named shit XD

[sinful moon]

lol well they are best in class but a couple hundred depending. Fiio is more price conscious but can get higher end, broader range of products

[mossy river]

I have just vegetables in there. I'm very anti-freezer 😬

[naive violet]

smh jabba

Freezers are good

[sinful moon]

but also I was just giving you… shit lol, about SoundBlaster. If you’re happy with your SoundBlaster DAC, nothing wrong with that

[boreal scarab]

Jabba's Chicken™

[celest dirge]

What about ice cream?

[sinful moon]

Most audiophile gear and DACs and etc, they’re not designed to give you bass, they’re designed to be neutral and are literally just amps. If you need bass, just EQ it

[mossy river]

I don't think I've ever bought one I've not immediately eaten

[glass nest]

Waaaay too much effort.

[sinful moon]

They can do bass for sure, but not designed for abnormal bass boosting

[boreal scarab]

One thing I hate is that it's software assisted. It's very.... artificial sounding

[mossy river]

I'm blacklisting the image hash

[sinful moon]

yeah the two I mentioned are all hardware

just USB

[boreal scarab]

[jolly aspen]

™ < do you have that unicode memorized

[glass nest]

Most important thing in headphones for me is that they are comfy. Never really cared about sound quality. I doubt i'd notice the difference

[sinful moon]

you would but fair enough

but usually the comfier headphones are the higher quality ones lol

with some notable extreme high end exceptions which are just silly

[glass nest]

Well, my current set are Razer Krakens. Got them at an auction. Earbuds, I have some Raycons. Thats about it. they do the job

[boreal scarab]

Got a reccomendation for EQ? I'm used to ICue EQing

[sinful moon]

I used to be a bit more picky but I kinda backslid and decided that yes I’m fine with Bluetooth headphones finally after rejecting them for years. So I use Sony XM4-1000s and Air Pod Pro 2 depending

[naive violet]

Reminds me, I need to fix my DT770s

[sinful moon]

The Sonys are really great though

[sinful moon]

Very nice!

indeed

[boreal scarab]

I can't do Razer headphones anymore, 0 bass. I quite like the HyperX Cloud II's I had in the past, and my Corsair HS60 Haptic..... may that one rest in Pieces. Now I'm rocking a Beyerdynamics MMX 330 Pro

[naive violet]

Very glad I can get the parts, shipping kills though

[sinful moon]

Those are all headsets beyond the actually high quality Beyerdynamics you got

it is funny, you did pick one of the best audiophile brands despite being all about dat bass

[naive violet]

I really like my XM5 earbuds

[glass nest]

All that being said, I only ever plug the Krakens in if I'm using voice channels - On Discord or in a game. I live on my own, so I just use my speakers. The raycons are only really for the gym.

[sinful moon]

Yeah the XM4 over-ears are just lovely, suprisingly amazing

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/party-mix-bass-gif-7852912

[naive violet]

I absolutely would not recommend to most people to go out and buy them

[sinful moon]

and I especially love they can be used as wired headphones in a pinch or for low latency needs

[naive violet]

They're expensive. Like. Very.

[sinful moon]

I play rhythm games so bluetooth will never cut it for that genre

so nice to have the flexability

[glass nest]

DDR enthusiast? 😄

[boreal scarab]

I like my BOOM. But I LOVE the quality of the music in this.

With my Haptic's, whenever I shot my tank's main gun, I would love to feel the BOOM

[boreal scarab]

Oh, lemme get @slender scaffold in here if we're talking DDR

[sinful moon]

Somewhat, my mains are beatmania IIDX, Sound Voltex, Chinithum and Arcaea. Those first two are made by the creators of DDR with beatmania actually pre-dating DDR by two years

[glass nest]

I actually competed in a DDR comp in my younger days. Also Pump-it-up by Andimaro

[sinful moon]

Nice, suprised you know Pump but can’t complain if you used to play a lot of DDR. But yeah I did as well and it got me into the genre back in the day

[glass nest]

One of my flexes - I'll dig it out for a photo - Was a toy pink elephant, where the tag is 'Pump it up'. I got it from the Andimiro stand at an arcade expo

[sinful moon]

lol nice

[glass nest]

I also knew a girl who was amazing at para para

[sinful moon]

lol now that’s an obscure one these days for sure, nice

Sadly for Bemani, the Para Para dance craze was just that, and the fad died out

[glass nest]

Lots of the people I knew from those days got really into Kpop as a result of those machines 😄

[sinful moon]

lol, too bad we never recieved much DJMax Arcade or EZ2DJ here or else they’d be doubly so

both got sued by Konami though for ripping of beatmania though lol

[glass nest]

Honestly, I think part of the reason was... well, teen hormones combined with Kpop videos

[sinful moon]

Fair enough

but also South Korea is a reflection of the United States in many of its values but it’s even more of a capitalist hellscape than we are somehow

[glass nest]

Babyvox - That was the name of one of the main artists on those machines

[sinful moon]

Japan is very close to the US, but South Korea embraced many of our ideals even more

[glass nest]

In my mind, Seoul is basically a real-life version of a city in Final Fantasy. Even though I wanna visit, I lowkey don't want to break that mental illusion

[sinful moon]

haha totally fair

South Korea is very neat in concept and they create amazing media, but holy crap I would never want to live there

Japan I only have a “well I could live there but…” vibes in comparison

[glass nest]

Haha, yeah. We've spoken about Asian movies before. Korean stuff is waaay more mad than the Chinese stuff I was into :p

[sinful moon]

Totally fair but don’t forget the golden age of Hong Kong cinema before… well China wreked that too lol

but we indeed probably already spoke of this

[glass nest]

I like that the original Squid Games brought more western audiences to Korean and Asian films

I mean, Battle Royale is a classic

[sinful moon]

Mhmm, although media like Snowpeircer and Oldboy were getting people into Korean movies long before, but sure, not as big of a cultural phenomenon

[glass nest]

true true

[sinful moon]

Train to Busan is great too

[glass nest]

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon did a lot for Chinese/Hong Kong cinema

[sinful moon]

although I really didn’t like the sequel, although the animed thing was okay

[glass nest]

I think a film like 'The Ring' shows the differences between East and west well. In the original, it's like 'you watch this tape, you gon' die' 'What? Oh no! i best not watch it then'. The wester version is like 'Nah, I don't believe you...'

[sinful moon]

I will say though, Oldboy still has my fave single shot fight scene of all time and although many like the Daredevil Netflix show tried, they haven’t exceeded it

[boreal scarab]

Just got Boom3d installed. More Bass. love it

[glass nest]

Beerise - Got a song for ya - Mr. Oizo - Flat Eric 😄

[sinful moon]

hah nice

[blazing granite]

Every time I went to Japan I had the same vibe, and it was I'm so happy to be here and know this place but I'll never live here

[glass nest]

Because you'd get addicted to Pachinko? I understand.

[sinful moon]

mhmm, I totally get that but feel even more strongly for Korea

But never been to either

[boreal scarab]

Aight

[glass nest]

It's a good one to test your bass :p

[karmic hemlock]

I'm about to try it out

I have a woofer in my Nissan Rogue

[sinful moon]

Gorillaz - Last Living Souls is also one of my bass test songs

[glass nest]

I've said it before, but there will alway be a place in my heart for Hong Kong. dunno why. Maybe the food, the people, the culture. just love that place

[sinful moon]

phenomenal sub-bass on that

[glass nest]

Gorillaz have a fair few bangers

[sinful moon]

mhmm

[karmic hemlock]

November has come

[sinful moon]

As a teen they were one of my fave bands of all time

Really even now, I only really love Self Titled, and Demon Days

[glass nest]

Jurassic 5 were around that sort of time aswell, IIRC

Well, Demon Days is a classic.

[sinful moon]

Plastic Beach had some neat songs but was a bit more so so

after that I don’t even care lol

[blazing granite]

wow there are 5 of those?? I saw one I that was enough 😂

[sinful moon]

I think when I was a pre-teen I really got started on Gorillaz, Beck, and Nine Inch Nails and went from there lol

Had tons of other influences like The Matrix OST and more though

[glass nest]

There were actually 7 :p (Fallen Kindom and Big rock didn't get as much popularity)

[sinful moon]

And helps my parents were in their 20s when they had me so were pretty “with it” for 90s music

so I could just pull out CDs from our shelf and listen to more Garage or Linklin Park lol

[glass nest]

Hehe, I remember those days. Dunno about US, but over here there was the 'Pulp vs. Oasis' argument

[sinful moon]

Hah, I came to them significantly later, in the mid 00s myself

They weren’t quite as popular here, but I mean I was a kid in the 90s

[glass nest]

To be fair, they are british indie artists, so might not have made it across the pond until it was already everwhere here

[sinful moon]

Fair but also lol, my parents raised me on Tom Baker Doctor Who in the states in the 90s

but also also fair, that was due to PBS syndication getting them into it in the late 80s

[sinful moon]

Nice Plex btw lol

[glass nest]

Surprises me, that. UK doesnt really have syndication, as there were only 4 channels until 1997, then there were 5

[sinful moon]

I mean PBS does == Public Broadcasting System and works with the same kind of split government and public funding as NPR. They collaborated with BBC all the time

[glass nest]

Aye. There wasn't really a lot of regional stations here. I guess cos the country is a lot smaller, and theres no real distinction between counties (states) here

Local stuff was like.. a 10 min segment of local news after the main news

[sinful moon]

Actually been addicted to the PBS show, Computer Chronicles as my night time watching as of late, since I found a blog to go with each episode retrospectively

Was always a fan of that show, but never decided to watch episode one by one but lol, the main host himself uploaded every video tape he had to Internet Archive and yep that is technically public domain content

Indeed the UK could probably easily fit in Michigan and Ohio alone

[glass nest]

Nah, too cold. Can you put us a bit more south please?

[sinful moon]

Always loved the UK though, I was a bit of an anglophile growing up

lol sure, but I’m the one stuck in Michigan so grin and bear it

[loud marlin]

if this is French... @shell nova translate it pls 🙂

[glass nest]

doesnt really need translation. the message is pretty clear 😄

[loud marlin]

indeed. jsut wish to know rest aside cool looking angelarium

[glass nest]

Skill issue 😄

[sinful moon]

I mean

[glass nest]

Hehe, when wordlens first came up with that 'real time translating', actually blew my mind a bit (then google bought them)

[sinful moon]

mhmm. I use it all the time for retro Japanese stuff

[loud marlin]

oh... that's nice then... cool

[glass nest]

Ah, cool. I used it a lot when I was visiting Europe 😄

[loud marlin]

btw esqy... i got k1 SE printer. 🙂

[glass nest]

You have too much money.

Well, not anymore, I guess

[loud marlin]

smth smth fillaments, smth, smth

[glass nest]

Have you recommended any to Mal? I know he is tentatively in the market

[loud marlin]

to a who ?

[glass nest]

Malarum

[loud marlin]

iirc we did talk. he go for bamboo mini or so

[glass nest]

Solid choice.

[glass nest]

Smooth 😄

[sinful moon]

Nicesu

[loud marlin]

and ofc i can't make hotbed flat as i wish lol

[sinful moon]

I wish I had a workshop area lol, house too small for that

my poor retro computers are shoved into my already packed with tech work from home office and harder to enjoy

[glass nest]

Small? But... 'Murica... houses over there are massive!

[loud marlin]

hammer can solve that issue 🙂

[sinful moon]

Not when it’s a 1950s starter home basically lol

[glass nest]

Pfff. compared to here.

[sinful moon]

But this is the first house my SO and I have ever owned so that’s something. Moving on up as it were. We will consider something bigger when we pay off the mortgage

[loud marlin]

wisdom of the day: electrifying people is not so ECO friendly, we can steam them...

[glass nest]

Thats neat 🙂 good work getting on that property ladder

[sinful moon]

indeed, it’s a freaking trip though. when a tree falls on our powerlines and rips half the electrical from our building, and tears shit off the roof, yep indeed that’s on us to fix

Insurance was obviously weird about it and dragged their feet

[glass nest]

Part of the fun 🙂

[sinful moon]

mhmm lol

[glass nest]

but then.. i'm the kinda person who'll relish that sort of DIY

[sinful moon]

lol this required qualified electricians, roofers and more unfortunately

the electricians were even like “uh this stuff is so old I can’t even put it back the way it was, I have to do it to spec” and good on them, just cost more

[glass nest]

Long video, but me an Muiri were addicted to wacthing this guy the other day --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJxBUOS3L8s&t=136s

[sinful moon]

Hah those kind of videos are oddly relaxing but yeah probably not my speed for tonight, at least for three hours worth indeed

[opaque flax]

Hi that’s me

[sinful moon]

back on PBS in the US, we had a show called “This Old House” which was all about fixing up old homes and yea that was a joy to watch back in the day

[glass nest]

This one though... Guy is totally silent. No music, just nature, working and his Dog

[opaque flax]

I had a buy a new monitor I am no longer in the market for a 3d printer at this time

[sinful moon]

aw rip

[glass nest]

One never leaves the market for a 3D printer. It's just a bit further down the road.

[sinful moon]

unfortunately need a bigger house to even consider one again for us

and I sadly can’t fix my prized CRT easily without more space

[opaque flax]

I have to wait a bit

[glass nest]

Woah, it's 1am.

[upper knoll]

ikr

madness

[sinful moon]

whew

[opaque flax]

Go to bed!

[sinful moon]

lol usually when I was up quite late playing Euro Truck in America with live BBC Radio 4, I’d get to listen to the early morning broadcasting

it’s still only 8PM here though

[glass nest]

Haha Euro truck. brilliant

[sinful moon]

Mhmm, I have over 1,333 hour in it 🙃

[glass nest]

4 more and you'll be elite

[sinful moon]

lol hush

I think I already past that sadly

[glass nest]

I think my most played on steam is TF2, and is only like 600-odd hours

And I got it in the Orange box, so thats really not that much

[glass nest]

A lot of epic graphics on those

[sinful moon]

Well I can’t complain but all are a bit older. Just the very top of my Steam most played hours wise

lol here’s the next four which show a bit more I don’t care so much about graphics and more great gameplay

[fallen burrow]

ETS2 is based

[sinful moon]

Indeed, especially with Promods

I just love exploring Europe really

[glass nest]

On that note, I'm out. Have a good one!

[sinful moon]

G’night! Nice chatting as always

[upper knoll]

rest well lovely ❤️

[glass nest]

Go bed, Dee. you're in this timezone too.

[sinful moon]

lol

[upper knoll]

will do lad!

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

She's stuck here with me

https://tenor.com/view/teen-wolf-ductape-liam-tub-kidnapped-gif-5087175

[blazing granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-silence-gif-19279803

[loud marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-ice-gone-jumping-gif-13261777

[sinful moon]

Yet again, I always thought it was always boomers who communicated in Gifs but the Zoomer or whatever continue to suprise me

[whole yew]

Gen X is the original meme lord generation. Boomers are 65 and up.

We literally invented the modern digital meme

[sinful moon]

Yeah I was about to say, Gen-X is infamously bad at it too lol

[whole yew]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-brooklyn-nine-im-sad-that-makes-me-feel-sad-gif-11973098

[sinful moon]

I guess it’s more accurate to say the boomers are the ones who like the AI slop on Facebook these days

[whole yew]

i know plenty of people who buy into the AI shenanigans on facebook

boomers don't understand that it's AI

[sinful moon]

Yeah it’s insane the kind of BS they post there that gets hunderds of thousands of likes

[whole yew]

I tried to explain to some older family members why you shouldn't reuse passwords, and how to manage them in a sane, easy way

and got told "but them i have to remember multiple passwords"

[sinful moon]

I know there’s literally people who are like “here’s a video about how to make your own Facebook AI slop farm for profit”, just gross

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/goggs-gogs-instant-bedtime-bedtime-man-makes-man-sleep-gif-8630119872985137759

@upper knoll

[sinful moon]

Yeah we have some legit boomer clients and getting them to even understand a password manager is like pulling teeth when its’ actually quite simple

[blazing granite]

gen x rules!!!

[slender scaffold]

O_o sorry I was in class lol

[sinful moon]

And god forbid you migrate them from Lastpass to something more secure, change is very scary

[boreal scarab]

Excuses excuses

[sinful moon]

apparently scarier than the LastPass breach emails they all received since they quickly forgot about that, despite being very worried

[slender scaffold]

[boreal scarab]

@hearty trout get back here I'm not leaving dumbo

[upper knoll]

just me its bed time

[boreal scarab]

Yes, go sleepy sleep!

[sinful moon]

Speaking of, I’m going to watch 1985 episodes of Computer Chronicles and head to bed

[tepid glacier]

Hi

[sinful moon]

see ya!

[boreal scarab]

Man, the Beyerdynamic and 3dBoom, I could hear the bass, not the boom, the instrument in the song, I could never hear it before

[sinful moon]

learn more about audio mixing and how and why this all works and the frequency response of your actually decent headphones because it’s embarrasing, k thx

I’d say but nah I’m glad you’re happy

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-investcritiques-gif-3383726598382826618

[sinful moon]

you did buy basically Audiophile brand headphones so yeah they tend to be netural, and as a result they usually need some bass boost to get back to what consumers are expecting

instead of hearing literally what they intended from the recording and mixing studio

but yeah at least it’s in EQ instead of permanently distorted frequency response

Alright I’m done being silly, see ya for real!

[opaque flax]

God getting people on mfa is a pain

I wish we were able to push everyone passwordless

[sinful moon]

MFA is easier than selling them on password managers

[opaque flax]

Which is crazy

[sinful moon]

well passkeys are still a pain in the ass despite how they were supposed to simplify everything since it’s vendor specific

so we just let our password manager handle that to be OS angostic

[opaque flax]

Have you guys deployed windows hello for business to any clients?

[sinful moon]

Good article I agree with: https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/12/passkey-technology-is-elegant-but-its-most-definitely-not-usable-security/

[sinful moon]

No because it’s 100% vendor specific

if you mean for passkey use

how will they authenticate on their iPhones?

[opaque flax]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Haven’t look that far into it

Just curious if you guys have done it

We haven’t

[tardy garden]

OMG ! I felt stupied when I did

keep it up

[sinful moon]

No, we have not. And while Windows Hello is a nice idea just for the raw authentication, I don’t think those PINs are very secure, plus the moment you Entra ID join them, PINs are disabled so…

[opaque flax]

Good to know

[sinful moon]

Biometrics are better but how do we even reasonably adminsitrate that

[opaque flax]

If someone forgets or loses their smart card or hardware key

lol

[sinful moon]

but for real I’m tired af, so good luck and ttyl

[mellow gull]

Late but have good rest

[grizzled wing]

🎉 🎉 finished another pathway

time to consume nutrients!

[modest thicket]

“) or 🙂 or =] or 🙂 ?? Which smiley is better

Bro it embedded my syntax

[mellow gull]

Hahahahaha

[modest thicket]

Option two = : ) option four = = )

Personally, “) is my favorite. Wbu scribz?

[mellow gull]

") or =:) or =] or = = ) ?? which smiley is better

[modest thicket]

PRO

Idk how you did that but very nice

[modest thicket]

How did you do this

[mellow gull]

You can use the " ` " symbol (non-shift tilde key) to wrap text

It's good for posting code and weblinks since it suppresses embedding

For example 🙂 looks like :slight_smile:

[modest thicket]

Thanks for explaining!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mellow gull (current: #121 - 63)

[modest thicket]

Any thoughts on if I should learn C or Python first?

[mellow gull]

Depends on what you want to do

[modest thicket]

Blue teaming

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duck-drinking-water-gif-4357766022002909493

[modest thicket]

To be more specific, network technician or junior SOC

I think I’ve narrowed it down to Python or C, but I’m a bit divided because I read some that say C is best beginner language. But then I read I will probably be using Python more for scripting/automation. But I read a bit about how Python is an OOP language & dont want to set myself up to be unnecessarily confused trying to learn C or JS after first learning Python. Does it even matter that much? I feel like I may be overthinking it

[mellow gull]

Well if you want to do security implementation and script development, python is a lot more ubiquitous when it comes to that

[opaque flax]

@mossy river

[mellow gull]

@mossy river

[mossy river]

Hey that is illegal and against our community rules

[modest thicket]

Is it a trope that learning Python first is bad because its an OOP language?

[mellow gull]

Huh? I mean, that depends on what you want to do.

Different hats for different tasks.

[grim sparrow]

:hammer: quad0009_93355#0 has been banned.

[mossy river]

Thanks both

[modest thicket]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mellow gull (current: #121 - 64)

[mellow gull]

C is good as a compiling language and it has very efficient managed execution, so it's good if you want to make something that requires very little shift in adjusting

Python is a lot more adjustable and has lower execution speed since it deals with things line by line, but it has a much higher variability with syntax and it's easier to "understand"

[opaque flax]

did they argue with you? lol

[mellow gull]

If you want to create embedded, common-run programs, C is probably your bet; but Python is great for adjustable web development and scripting

Again, depends on what you want to do

[modest thicket]

So, it’s not necessarily bad to learn Python first “)

[near sapphire]

Where does one get the announcement role?

[modest thicket]

Thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @fervent meteor (current: #57 - 144)

[finite basalt]

anyone have any experience sending a message to an mqtt broker with an arduino?

[karmic hemlock]

unfortunately I don't but that sounds cool af

[finite basalt]

I'm currently working on being able to control one of my smart plugs with a tv remote

the arduino is correctly detecting the remote control and the command issued so I've just got to get it to make the correct mqtt request

my amplifier has an IR receiver and can use volume up and down but I'm using a universal remote so I'd like the power button to be able to turn it on and off which I'm using a smart plug for as it was a way of avoiding messing with mains voltages or the amplifier

plus theoretically if I can get it working for one device I can make it so I can control the lights in my room and my lava lamp and amp with my tv remote which will be cool

[modest thicket]

My previous rationale for learning C first was because I read Python is easier to get away with bad practices that dont translate to other languages very well, but C is a more strict language where you have to implement stricter controls on things :shrug:

[finite basalt]

C will give you a better understanding of the fundamentals of a computer while python sort of eases you in

but really it depends on use case

IMO python should only ever be used for quick and dirty prototyping and never an end product

I would also argue for automation and parsing python is awful

[modest thicket]

But I am trying to get a job as a net tech or soc-type, so if Python is better for that I’ll do that

[finite basalt]

python is fine for testing that your idea will work but at the end of the day it runs painfully slow and doesn't properly support true multithreading

For learning python is a good start but I would definitely move on to C once you understand python

[modest thicket]

Thanks. I definitely have plans to learn them both

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @finite basalt (current: #105 - 75)

[finite basalt]

That being said don't rush it, if you struggle with python you will struggle with C, C is a much more laborious language in that you are expected to do your memory management etc.

They're also different styles of languages of course, compiled vs interpretted, strong/weak typing etc.

[modest thicket]

Is sudo apt upgrade notorious for taking forever? I feel like I just upgraded a few days ago

[finite basalt]

yeah upgrade is slow haha

I'm half excited and not excited for tomorrow/today

my two 3tb drives arrive which means I can move to ZFS; however it means installing them

[modest thicket]

Brb researching ZFS

[finite basalt]

it's a filesystem, I'll be putting x4 3tb drives into raidz which is like a software version of raid5

[modest thicket]

ZFS is embedded in hardware of drives?

[finite basalt]

nah it'll be running on my proxmox server

[modest thicket]

yea thats foreign language to me but im trying to keep up

i learned about raids, for redundancy and stuff

so ZFS is the supreme file system for system security?

[split compass]

It's a BIG rabbit hole, I have 5 tabs open on my other computer about it right now.

[split compass]

No nothing special for security, no file systme on its own is.

[modest thicket]

I read Sun Microsystems developed it originally and a bell from the distant past rung

[deft cloak]

New Rank

[finite basalt]

I was on BTRFS but for the sake of stability on raid 5 and nas reasons zfs seems like a better option and if I move from my x2 3tb and x2 2tb to x4 3tb of the same type I'll have more freedom when it comes to raid etc.

[modest thicket]

is it for your personal systems? I mean, surely not?

[finite basalt]

yeah it's a home server

[modest thicket]

Oh ok, so you must really need that server availability

[finite basalt]

nah, I'd just rather not use experimental systems for my storage

[split compass]

Are they SSDs or spinning rust?

[finite basalt]

spinning disk

but depending what you're doing ssds can be naff for nas usage anyway

[split compass]

Get a small SSD / NVMe if you can at some point.
zfs add log /dev/nvme0n0 MyData

[finite basalt]

I have got a 200gb ssd I can use for it

I was debating using a 2.5" ssd that's sat in the computer as a cache drive

[sinful moon]

something something 48TB NAS and 64TB server 🙃

[finite basalt]

these are the drives so far excluding the 500gb nvme drive

[split compass]

Can help with write speeds having a SLOG, so can having an sdev, my current large zpool does not have a SLOG, gets decent performance on default 128K recordsize, but if you know what you're doing with your data you can get a lot more performance out of it.

[opaque flax]

its like anytime someone mentions proxmox or storage you magically appear

[sinful moon]

Those Blu-ray rips and more have to go somewhere

nah I just checked back in and saw storage chat lol

[opaque flax]

exactly

[modest thicket]

hdd is better for nas storage?

[opaque flax]

you just have a nack for showing up on time

[finite basalt]

sdf is being used for non-performance vital VMs and containers while the sdb and sdc will be coming out and replaced

[split compass]

I should join my on-campus Proxmox to my off-center proxmox DC.

[sinful moon]

However I do have a hardware raid controller in the server and I heard that could potentially conflict with ZFS or BTRFS in some ways

[finite basalt]

so overall I'll have my four wd reds

[split compass]

If I get the other two nodes I'm sitting on deployed, I'll have enough that Ceph is a reasonable option 😄

[sinful moon]

Please let me know if I’m wrong, literally the first hardware RAID controller I’ve ever had

[finite basalt]

yeah they're not recommended but I think that's only when you're running them with their raid cpabilities

[sinful moon]

yea makes sense

[finite basalt]

Like theoretically if you have btrfs and zfs in single disk mode it's fine

[sinful moon]

mhmm seems to me like they’d conflict in what they’re both trying to do

[finite basalt]

here's what proxmox says

[sinful moon]

I’m currently just using the LVM storage for Proxmox, and default proprietary RAID10 in the Synology NAS

[split compass]

Yes it will use by default large heaps of RAM if available, my Storinator has 256GB of 2999MHz RAM.

[finite basalt]

yeah I've got 48gb at the moment

[sinful moon]

mhmm nice, 256GB RAM buddies!

[finite basalt]

x2 8gb and x1 32gb I want to upgrade it further at some point but I went with that out of fear that my cooler may be obstructing one of the slots

[split compass]

I was gonna put 512, but I turned around while diagnosing a system, turned back, and the tray of 64GB dimms had walked away 😄

So I filled up with 32GB dimms instead.

[sinful moon]

I’m pretty sure I’m maxed out with my 2016 PowerEdge tower but yeah, fair enough

[finite basalt]

the most ram I've ever had is actually in a laptop funnily enough

my current laptop has 64gb of ram which I upgraded it to

[split compass]

Yeah, I'm just lucky enough to be in a position where my access to equipment for skunkworks is insane, and I wish I could bring ANY of it home lol.

[sinful moon]

laptops that still have upgradable RAM are a blessing

[sinful moon]

Oh fair enough, yeah I got this old server just because I wished I could touch all the PowerEdges I was administrating 800 miles away phsically to learn more

well and obvs for my home lab lol

[finite basalt]

I only have this server cause I nicked it back after my brother went to uni

[split compass]

Yeah the two nodes I have sitting waiting for use are some form or other of poweredge, I like the compact form factor.

[finite basalt]

It was my old desktop and I let him use it while I was at uni, my dad was gonna take it but I was wanting it so after a little gentle pressure I got my computer back haha

he wanted to use it as a server but I wanted to more

[sinful moon]

Obligatory hardware flexing, but yeah I’m not on vSphere anymore

[finite basalt]

I'll also be nicking my dad's draytek router while I'm next home haha

[split compass]

Heck yeah, I'd build a home server out of that.

[finite basalt]

which one's that now? is it that third one that's often mentioned along with proxmox and esxi?

or are you still on esxi but a different frontend

[split compass]

I got off my last ESXi dev box two days ago.
You can mount ESXi as a storage pool in Proxmox! Dang that made the migration EASY

[finite basalt]

that's my personal laptop haha

[pine stratus]

guys , what are you talking about

[sinful moon]

vSphere manages multiple ESXi servers, and goes on top but you can still run it with one for more features

[split compass]

My primary Proxmox box has 128core 256 thread, 1024GB of RAM. So I was able to just have it temporarily host everything.

[sinful moon]

my old install was ESXi/vSphere

[finite basalt]

that's what the FX8350 at my dad's is running haha

[sinful moon]

virtualization operating systems, servers, and mass storage

[finite basalt]

this is that laptop's power supply

[pine stratus]

first time i hear about that :D

[finite basalt]

it's giant, 240w and when I last plugged it into the socket on a train the socket started beeping and the laptop didn't charge

[split compass]

There's m'laptop.

[finite basalt]

it was then that I found out about overcurrent protection on train sockets and that my laptop is essentially an all in one slightly portable desktop

[sinful moon]

Yeah businesses often use setups with virtualization where all their Windows Servers or whatever are actually just VMs in VMware ESXi, Proxmox or similar

[finite basalt]

ooh, one of the newer ryzens huh, good battery life?

[split compass]

Decent, it's a https://frame.work laptop, and I tend to tune it to performance over power savings.

[finite basalt]

I've an HP G4 745 with the ryzen 7 Pro 2700U and for a 6 year old machine it still has a decent battery life

[finite basalt]

ooh very nice, i looked but I really benefit from the dGPU so never bothered with the latest frameworks

[sinful moon]

That way if Windows Server fails, you can check ESXi, if ESXi fails you can check Dell iDRAC (lights out management controller, always on), if that fails you’re fricked and have to go on-site

[split compass]

Having an RX7700S in there also takes a chunk of power.

[split compass]

I have a dGPU 😛

[finite basalt]

Yeah I think some of the AMDs have them but the intels don't which is a shame

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile if we’re talking laptops, I have an odd AMD APU + Nvidia GPU setup… with switchable graphics. Wild that’s even a thing these days

[split compass]

Yeah this is the first release they have, AMD CPU and GFX.
But I might be bias 😄

[finite basalt]

mind you, I will say the frameworks are far better to work on, I converted this laptop to liquid metal cooling and when I first disassembled it it was awful

[finite basalt]

See I love that

I remember having to take out the mobo for this laptop to get to the cooler etc. and suddenly there were 30 screws on my desk

[split compass]

My Gigabyte that I gave to my nesting partner when I got this framework is an AMD w/ 3060 dGPU switched graphics.

[sinful moon]

Indeed, just made things more difficult under Linux without a Mux switch which is avalaible in newer models of mine

[finite basalt]

I struggled remembering where the final four screws went and ended up figuring it out after many drinks at the local defcon group 🤣

[sinful moon]

Nice basically the same here, it was the latest Ryzen at the time + laptop 3070

[split compass]

My biggest struggle I've been having with this laptop, is that on Qubes I'm trying to get it to allow me to passthrough the dGPU, and I've been playing around with kernel modules and params to get it to boot without binding the dGPU. Made some good progress on it last night.

[sinful moon]

Asus Zephyrus G15 (2021)

[split compass]

Learned a lot about luks, and boot recovery and EFI with this nobara/Qubes dual boot 🙂

[sinful moon]

Another big plus for me, is that it looks understated and not super “gamer”

not like I take my laptop anywhere 🙃

[split compass]

Once I have everything figured out, I'll make a gaming Qube that will just get direcct PCI passthrough of the Nobara NVMe and the dGPU 🙂

[sinful moon]

why tho

[finite basalt]

see my laptop is good spec wise but other than that I really hate it

Like never want to go with dell again sort of hate haha

[sinful moon]

You have to be a special kind of paranoid to go all Qubes and from there expect to game with PCI passthough and etc

[finite basalt]

It was a replacement I got after threatening to take them to court and it's heavy and bulky and has a horrible power button

[split compass]

I'm just a techno-masochist. I learn best by bashing my head into the hardest wall I can find 😛

[finite basalt]

and the m button has to be pressed dead centre otherwise it just ignores it half the time

[sinful moon]

lol fair enough, just sounds like hell and a recipe for disaster

[split compass]

recipe for disaster, opportunity for learning. 😄

[finite basalt]

one man's fuck up is another man's lesson haha

[sinful moon]

You’re not wrong but lol, could just be learned by using any other qemu/kvm solution which isn’t oddball sandboxing each app at an OS level

[split compass]

So far I've broken things 3 or 4 times and so far been able to figure out how to fix it 🙂

And learned a lot about kernel parms etc. Which is helping me at work right now with the cluster I'm working on bring up.

[modest thicket]

Is that a peacock head

[split compass]

800GBps IB interconnect.

[sinful moon]

hardest thing I’ve had to do lately, is SCSI passthrough my dual blu-ray drives in my servers to Proxmox, because just adding them as drives qemu/kvm wise makes them dumb data drives and doesn’t give low level access that MakeMKV needs

[modest thicket]

What is ur role?

[split compass]

Good question, does kinda look like that.
I've never thought about hte little beak.

[sinful moon]

my SO was complaining loudly, why is this so complicated, ESXi just did the thing…. but lol hun, we’re moving from ESXi for a reason

[split compass]

That's a great question.

[modest thicket]

I thought it was pic of the nobara distro animal

[modest thicket]

You seem like a guy who fixes stuff and learns things

[split compass]

MPS Systems Engineer I think is the title applied to me in Teams? 😄
Network Eng. Network Arch. Systems Eng, Lab Hands, Server Tech, Sec Eng...

[sinful moon]

No one cares but me but for posterity, the answer is in last post here: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/how-to-do-a-scsi-passthrough.111505/

so as a result, we just have two dedicated ripping VMs, one for each Blu-Ray drive

[split compass]

I hear the Dev/Automation team might be sniping me away from the DC Lab team proper, though my role will largely stay the same.

[modest thicket]

These are honorable titles.. must be held by one of proficient capability

[sinful moon]

I will not even begin to list all the different roles/hats I wear at my MSP job, it’s insane

[modest thicket]

I learned today I will be taking an ITIL course & that it was created by Britain Intelligence or something

[opaque flax]

My MSP just eliminated our NOC 😂 (theres pain behind these tears)

[split compass]

It's true.
I sort of miss my MSP days, but the company was taking a turn that I"m happy to be away from.

Legal MSP specifically.

[sinful moon]

Yeah I may be down that path as well. I’ve put in a good four years here, but we’ll see how it shakes out

all my personal job networking stuff was suddenly no longer offering jobs despite being quite eager to have me ealier

[pine stratus]

which area are you in infosec?

[sinful moon]

all of it 🙃

I’m the sole infosec employee at my firm

I’m literally an SOC manager… lol to an outsourced SOC and so much more

[pine stratus]

best of luck!

[split compass]

4 is what I made it before I got an offer to go work for the VoIP company. That was a good bunch, I need to drop in on them soon.
But they got bought up, and I got $job.current offered to me about a week after the writing was on the wall that the new corporate overlords were about to implement their changes.

(I was starting to be asked to collect and report on our end-to-end software stack for daily operations, so they could build us an image, and send us standardized laptops.)

It was almost exactly 2 years from the acquisition. It's like clockwork I swear. 2 years after a big acquisistion.

[sinful moon]

Thanks, it’s interesting to say the least

but probably the part I like least is “hmmm… compliance deals with security stuff, I guess you’re compliance manager too”

although fair that was my bad for basically volunteering

but… no one else was doing it, which is always the key in MSPs to get your foot into another role lol

[opaque flax]

basically what my MSP did with NOC. Well Helpdesk is break fix and NOC isnt so

here you get all the NOC tickets now

[sinful moon]

lol

[opaque flax]

that include fixing the network and everything

[split compass]

I was SUPER happy that they took a Sr. Sales Engineer and stepped him up to become our compliance master for SOC2.

[pine stratus]

NOC = no one cares?

[sinful moon]

Oh I bet

[opaque flax]

is that a joke youre making or?

[sinful moon]

Network Operation Center, just like SOC == Security Operation Center or whatever

[pine stratus]

yes ! what noc Means

[opaque flax]

ah elizabeth got you

[sinful moon]

one monitors the network and the other the security status

[split compass]

dry humor and dark humor joke because NOC means Network Ops Center, but double entendre of No one cares, because the issue is that the role got canned.

At least that was my take 😄

[opaque flax]

oh yes im aware of what NOC stands for

im legit going to throw my oculus through a wall

[sinful moon]

Mhmm they just genuinely needed to know

[opaque flax]

they keep hijacking my audio output device

everytime i start up my pc

[mellow gull]

Suffer

[split compass]

Disconnect it?

[sinful moon]

Suffer like G did?

[opaque flax]

the audio device is always on even if the quest is off

[pine stratus]

thank you for explaining what NOC means :)

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @split compass (current: #62 - 137)

[sinful moon]

Anyways disconnect Bluetooth audio if that’s the concen, when you’re not using it

even if it’s a pain to re-pair

[opaque flax]

it is not

bluetooth audio

ill fix it

[sinful moon]

then unplug it lol

[opaque flax]

its wireless

[jolly aspen]

Burn it

[sinful moon]

then… what

[opaque flax]

it just takes the driver and says youre primary

the driver is always on even if th equest is off

[mellow gull]

[opaque flax]

its fine

[jolly aspen]

Suspiciously malware

[sinful moon]

that’s what you get for throwing money at the Zuck

[opaque flax]

i guess so

[mellow gull]

Suck the Zuck

[sinful moon]

lol

[jade wing]

I got you Malarum don’t worry

[opaque flax]

yeah im not super worried about it for a lot of reasons :). it's just throwing more load on the help desk for reasons that they won't explain

the thing I don't mind is it gets me more exposure to other technologies

[split compass]

Hmm, just noticed your role. Neat.

[sinful moon]

kind of wild that your help desk is exclusively break fix. We often have to pull them into proactive projects as well

[opaque flax]

oh they also took the field services team

and said

[sinful moon]

but fair, small company is mine

[opaque flax]

okay youre on the help desk too

and gave every manager 5 more people to handle

[sinful moon]

Me? I mean I do it all lol

with 6 techs yeah we have to dip back into help desk from time to time

[opaque flax]

we have more than that haha

[sinful moon]

haha yeah I remember

[split compass]

I've been helpdesk most of my career, but I guess like Tier4 😛

[sinful moon]

Yeah I was escelated to twice today even in this small an org lol

although lol I guess I de-escalated something because a client was instantant to talk to the tech she worked with, today

[opaque flax]

theres a couple people who mention me be name in tickets lol

[split compass]

Hmm DB issue? Give it to Syntax, he'll know how to fix it.
Data recovery? Give it to Syntax, oh deep data recovery? Syntax if he wants, otherwise outsource, he can charge if he wants.
Network Cabling? Send Syntax he has all the gear and won't cut corners.
Bring-up in new client site? Syntax, he'll find the cut corners.

And so forth 😛

[jade wing]

Malarum what you are experiencing is leadership being dumbasses. It happens at all corpo jobs in cycles. There will be a loss in productivity. A loss in morale leading to even more losses. Which will lead to loss in revenue. Which will lead to a wider layoff of the people “responsible”. Then it will get worse. Then and only then will there be a “leadership change” or something similar. Maybe some town halls. Meanwhile everybody is getting axe murdered. There any many reasons this can play out I won’t go into them but it’s a cycle in corps. Sorry you’re dealing with it.

[sinful moon]

Yep that sounds extremely familiar, if it even looks related to security, compliance, sysadmin or similar if you look at it crosseyed, dispatch is sending it my way

[split compass]

As Rev said, guy who learns stuff.

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/nazrin-nyn-rat-mouse-gif-23917556

[opaque flax]

i appreciate it. yeah its really frustrating to deal with but i have faith things will get better soon for me. my company recently acquired 4 msps in a year so im sure this is a part of such fast acquistions

[sinful moon]

thankfully my SO is the backup manager guy, but I’m the second on that role

[split compass]

Shiny

[jade wing]

That was one of the reasons I would mention

Acquisition, sale, and divestment

[sinful moon]

Yeah it’s both a blessing and a curse to work with my SO at the same company lol

[jade wing]

Last but not least share holders

Those are the four reasons corps do that shit

[opaque flax]

we recently we private equity too

[jade wing]

so acquisitions and share holders in your case. Classic double whammy.

[split compass]

The curse would, I assume, largely come from neither of you being any good at putting down the recent bone?

[sinful moon]

Also a blessing and a curse to have my boss be the CEO and owner lol, we’re that small

thankfully no private equity BS

[jade wing]

No private equity bs… yet

[sinful moon]

mainly we’re both stressed out about the exact same things and etc after work

[split compass]

I hate that things have to impact the customer experience enough to affect bottom line before management will notice the need to bring back things they cut.

[jade wing]

You every damn time it’s the dumbest shit

[sinful moon]

Nice sentiment but it’s not happening

Been an independent company for over 20 years and I don’t see that changing soon

[jade wing]

I’ll give you 1000 cheese blocks for a significant percentage of your company

And some garlic bread

[sinful moon]

that sounds delicious

[jade wing]

Indeed

[sinful moon]

My biggest pet peeve is that we do so many things for “all clients” that we never bill for due to how we do things. My boss recently spoke about being conflicted about doing “what’s right vs what makes us money”.

Dude I’m in tech and I don’t care, just do what makes us money. Make the broad projects I’m doing make the company money

[split compass]

Are we talking like Parmigiano Regiano cheese wheels?
Are they being kept in the big trust vault?
What's their current valuation? 😛

[split compass]

Afraid of becoming Broadcom? X'D

[sinful moon]

lol not with 6 companies we won’t

he just decides to do a lot of things gratis because it’s “for the good of the customer and ‘expected’”, no the client wasn’t expecting us to just do all this work for free, charge them for it

[split compass]

Ah yeah; The customer's only expectation is what they signed a contract for.

[sinful moon]

Idk if I automate a ton of processes in our internal systems that benefits clients, that sounds like they should pay for it right? Nope… we’re “fulfilling our contract” or whatever excuse

I do get contract vs hourly but I mean…

[split compass]

If the process improvements make it so you can bring on more customers without additional overhead, then that's the money in it.
But if the process improvement is a value-add to existing customers, then either make it a product offering, or if you want to standardize it, roll it into your larger package at annual renewal.

[sinful moon]

we just don’t even show them that time at all lol as a result

even if it’s not billed

and for me it looks like I just did a bunch of unbillable work for something that was major

[sinful moon]

You’re not wrong, and indeed what we are doing is a value add, but I don’t give two craps about billing, I’m here for the tech. Just silly that it’s seen this way when we’re suddenly caring about this again for income

lol I need to stop complaining. I have been putting out feelers for other positions to something a bit larger but we shall see how it shakes out

[karmic hemlock]

Is this Mr. Wonderful speaking

[sinful moon]

I probably should have taken up my friend’s two request who is a DFIR manager, for me to join his very large company starting at SOC level 2, but yeah no longer hiring lol.

at the same time I can’t complain much. Everything I’ve done at this company and all the roles I’ve done will look insane on a resumé

[modest thicket]

https://x.com/amazlngnature/status/1880355192811479074?s=46

Nature is Amazing ☘️ (@AMAZlNGNATURE) on X

Buster living his best life.

X · Jan 17, 2025, 8:43 PM

[sinful moon]

um okay

cute doggos tho

[karmic hemlock]

Kevin deals are never good deals

[crude stump]

I hate that new forward emoji thing they are putting under reply’s

[sinful moon]

lol I should probably take off anyways. I had my 15 minutes of complaining about work 🙃

[split compass]

That is a cool role.

[sinful moon]

It’s worse with right click in some scenarios where they only show the forward and you have to click the three dots to get to reply

[crude stump]

He’s

Bruh not hes

Yes I what I ment

[sinful moon]

Indeed, may still be something I can get into. We shall see how long I’m potentially job searching

I’ve got some other job leads but tricky when I mostly have to restrict myself to remote due to paying our mortgage off on this house

[split compass]

Flexible to travel?
DFIR if you get it, could have some percentage of time traveling.

[sinful moon]

I’m down to travel for sure, don’t really mind that aspect

Unlike my SO I’m not a homebody lol, and I thrive off of interacting with other people and getting out. Which is more than I can say about work from home life lol

I have never physically been to the office I work at our seen a single client in any form other than digitally lol

which is really weird to me

when my last two jobs were extremely face to face and hands on

[split compass]

Oh that is strange.

All my MSP gigs had at least some face time with clients.

[sinful moon]

I mean they are 800 miles away so that is a bit of an impediment lol

[split compass]

LOL fair.

[sinful moon]

just ‘Murica things

I don’t actually think I’ve even been in the state I technically work in, but I’m an Independent Contractor so that technically doesn’t matter

Anyways, anyone else is more than welcome to take the floor.

I may get back to 1985 episodes of The Computer Chronicles c:

Very glad they’re (almost) all archived, literally by the main host

[open otter]

Been WFH for almost 3 years and I miss throwing nerf darts at people in the office

[sinful moon]

lol yep, 4 years for me so I get you there. But I worked in dramatically different fields before this

good decade of special education and home health care with a similar population

tech was always my passion but took a while to make it a reality

[open otter]

All paths lead to Rome IT lol

[sinful moon]

lol indeed, ironically Covid era was exactly what I needed as my “in”

[open otter]

Cabin fever finally got to me so I went to a bsides and now I'm in a strained relationship with the THM "hey your streak is gonna die" emails

[sinful moon]

lol they did intoduce those streak freeze “powerups” for a reason but yeah.

I think I got up to 15 manually before I stopped caring since doing more would be insane

[open otter]

Covid, the ultimate silver lining for people in our positions lol

Trying to do 2 rooms a day at least but we'll see how that goes

[sinful moon]

even better, getting into your first IT job and instantly recognized for how well you handled log4shell vulnerability lol.

Was indeed right place, right time for me in 2021

Yeah that sounds reasonable. Typically I kinda just binge the rooms these days, but I’m not trying to keep a streak going myself

[open otter]

log4shell vulnerability

I'll know what this means soon enough lol. Just a help desk/asset management grunt atm

So far the site is great, just enough hand-folding to where you don't get frustrated and leave, but still dense

[sinful moon]

Ah it was a major deal in 2021, where you could more or less pop a shell in any web exposed Java app that used Log4J logging library. It included even Minecraft servers in the list of vulnerable apps

There were several subsequent vulnerabilities I kept up with and kinda just proved my worth security wise, whist getting started in help desk

[open otter]

Did you get them to throw you into a security analyst role or did you go somewhere else once you had enough experience

[sinful moon]

Ubiquity Controller server was a bit of a bigger deal to most than the Minecraft bit lol, aka the thing that controls all the Unifi APs

[open otter]

My current job has the possibility for the former but I'm losing it from being WFH lol, I wanna jump ship

[sinful moon]

We’re just such a small org I quickly fell into being the sole infosec person

among many other roles

[open otter]

All the hats lol

[sinful moon]

lol that’s exactly the term I use all the time

But yeah since it had been since the 00s that I was serious about infosec instead of just keeping up with it, that’s when I signed up to THM to brush up on my skills

lol in the 00s if there was a clear pathway to infosec, I would have taken it. But basically I gave up, after responsibly testing on my own hardware and software, because I didn’t want to do anything illegal, and it didn’t look to me as a teen there was a market for security professionals

my how things have changed

[knotty pendant]

Hi

[sinful moon]

Heya!

[open otter]

and it didn’t look to me as a teen there was a market for security professionals

Big one here

[sinful moon]

Yeah the market and scene had dramatically changed

[open otter]

Didn't even cross my mind till like last year that there's another option besides being programmer #193,491,395 gunning for the same job

[sinful moon]

I knew enough to get up to no good but no reason to ever in my right mind, do so

[open otter]

That, and the covid golden era for programming jobs is dead lol

[sinful moon]

mhmm makes sense

[open otter]

The Futurama scene pops into my head with people realizing cybersec is an option

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-change-places-musical-chairs-gif-14252770

[sinful moon]

lol makes sense

I am also um, notably retracting any mention of my actions in the high school network and similar for our own sanity lol

because obviously I followed the terms of use

[open otter]

All the upsides of getting brrrr dopamine hits by seeing lines of code go by without doing actual coding lol

(unless you dive into the deep end later with pen-testing/red team etc)

[sinful moon]

lol I get that from Linux updates, especially when hosted at a datacenter because whew

[open otter]

[sinful moon]

even if you have 406 updates (thanks Arch) they indeed go burr

and then you get to see the AUR packages compile after

it’s lovely

Of coruse my Arch server in a datacenter is my pentesting VPS for THM/HTB. I just deployed boring Ubuntu Server for my work Linux deployments

[open otter]

sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade

hackerman.gif

[sinful moon]

It’s even more crazy when your datacenter actually hosts a repo just for that purpose

so it flies at gigabit and beyond speeds… lol if the downloads can even last that long

[opaque flax]

homelab hosted apt repo with 10gig infra?

[sinful moon]

I have my homelab hosted with at least 1Gbps throughout the house, but sadly that’s mostly up to the SO while the server is my business.

I just have a remote VPS for THM/HTB use

[jade wing]

Dat feel when I have to rush to the store before it closes for dinner because I woke up late as hell and it’s cold as hell

[mellow gull]

Run, forest, run

Greets

[sinful moon]

btw if one were to consider a VPS host for THM/HTB, the 2vCPU and 4GB of RAM I have is way overkill. Just go a minimal as necessary and upgrade only if needed

My work Linux VPS deployments were much more sane with only the essentials. Literally have a 1vCPU, 1GB RAM machine hosting three tiny websites with no issues, including one with MySQL backend

although fair I did have to add a swap file to that machine so it was a bit happier

[split compass]

Mostly I've only been in states in a straight line from NY down through to Florida, with a little variation here or there.
Also CA, but that doesn't count, didn't leave the airport.

[jade wing]

Malrum that new box drop yet for this season? I haven't been paying attention.

[opaque flax]

not yet tomorrow

[sinful moon]

Hah sounds like me but Michigan to Florida with some slight “detours” to New York City and Chicago

[jade wing]

Awwww yiss

[opaque flax]

here 1 sec im getting the exact timing

13 hours

[split compass]

So Cackalacky Con this year? 😄

[jade wing]

No way I'm getting anywhere to first blood I will be nighty night :(

[opaque flax]

i will be out with friends lolol

[sinful moon]

Never even heard of that con lol. I honestly don’t travel much these days but it would be nice

If nothing else I convinced my homebody SO to go on a vaccation to a theme park we had in-state last year and that was a fun time

[split compass]

It used to be called Carolina Con, or Con Carolina, I can't remember which.
But was colloquially called Cackalacky con, I've been thinking about going for years, but haven't yet.
I think it's in Raleigh?

There's also a LARP/Gaming Con which is the other one, either Carolina Con or Con Carolina, so I'm guessing that's why the official rebrand.

[sinful moon]

Maybe we’ll really push the limits and go one state way to my fave theme part of all time

lol

[opaque flax]

also tomorrows box is a linux box

[sinful moon]

North or South Carolina?

[jade wing]

This is a good thing

I shall pwn dat box

[opaque flax]

agreed 😄

[split compass]

NC

[sinful moon]

ah okay

[opaque flax]

gonna own root!

[split compass]

It gets high praise from Deviant Ollam or I wouldn't know about it at all.

[sinful moon]

Neat stuff but yeah quite a drive

[jade wing]

I'm spawning cicada right now

don't know if you have done that one

[wooden steeple]

I have a problem with the tryhackme website. How do I talk to customer service?

[opaque flax]

im just chillin playing some games

[sharp citrus]

TryHackMe's Email

TryHackMe's support email address.

​

[e-mail]

TryHackMe Socials · Jan 18, 2025, 5:24 AM

[opaque flax]

heres their email

[split compass]

Is it based on Cicada 3301?

[sinful moon]

Yeah I was about to just say it manually lol

[jade wing]

Not sure yet.

[opaque flax]

I have not completedd Cicada yet

I should try it out tho

the last box really wanted to make me learn more windows it was interesting

[wooden steeple]

No direct support?

[opaque flax]

its friday night my man

saturday morning for some

[split compass]

Small company with a multi-national footprint.
They're very responsive on email.

[sinful moon]

Linux sysadmin and hacking is ezpz, Windows sysadmin and hacking is a pain in the butt lol, but manageable

[split compass]

If the problem with the site isn't account specific we can always attempt to give general advice, but if it pertains to your account, logon, access, etc. in anyway, then the e-mail is your best bet.

[jade wing]

You can also post in #site-support

[sinful moon]

Doesn’t help that being a Windows Power User doesn’t teach you how to be a sysadmin naturally like Linux does

[jade wing]

And might get a quicker turn around than email

[opaque flax]

yeah #site-support is run by volunteers of the community

[split compass]

True, you're unlikely to learn much about sysAd from being an advanced windows user.
Might learn a bit about CACLS and such, but you don't get any exposure to the enterprise secret sauce just becasue you're curious.

[sinful moon]

Yeah not having access to AD is a big downside to Windows power users, and as a result, most will never learn about Group Policy which is just lovely

ironically I think that Entra ID and Intune are a massive mistake in comparison. Like you all already figured out how to do this perfectly, why did you make things so much more convoluted

Anyways now every personal Windows computer I own, I instantly change Local Group Policy on them to my liking

[jade wing]

I disagree with this statement for a myriad of reasons, but I don't have the time to get into them at the moment. I would like to bookmark this conversation to have with you later if you would like.

[sinful moon]

I’d be down for that, but yeah probably tomorrow would be best. I would love to be proven wrong and if you have any resources, that would be great

AD+GPO is simple af though

[jade wing]

Oh plenty.

[sinful moon]

but Azure everything is a mess

[jade wing]

For sure, would love to talk tomorrow about it

[sinful moon]

Yeah lol I don’t have the mental bandwidth to do so tonight

I wish THM could have some rooms on Azure, but lol yeah it would be just as tricky as them doing the AWS rooms we have

gotta love those cloud service 🙃

[split compass]

I can see where Intune's principles could help with some of the consistency issues that can pop-up, but I find GPO consistency issues to be less common these days anyway.
It does overcome a lot of the road-warrior issues being more of an MDM implementation than a managed network service.

Entra ID, I have no specific input on.

I should really finish my AZ104 at some point.

[sinful moon]

Just gotta pay for those extra licenses to even get Intune going in the first place, and then for most orgs you’re doubling up on functionality since, is Intune your RMM, or is your actually RMM product the thing?

Although I admit I’m probably just being salty about the “new thing”, however it really doesn’t help how Microsoft splits this stuff all over the place into dozens of different sites. Yeah solutions like CIPP can help but ehh

lol Azure just feels to me like an Adobe or Broadcom like subscription scam. Oh sorry, you do need a P3 license to do x, y and z but I’m rapidly going out of scope

[split compass]

Yeah, I've felt that way about a lot of the cloud-as-infra moves 😦

[sinful moon]

Oh sorry this other critical function is only for E5 users or whatever lol

Alright I’m going to actually stop “old woman yells at cloud”-ing and watch videos about computing in 1985 again… and hopefully not get distracted, you all are too interesting to chat with lol

see ya! c:

[mellow gull]

Have a good one

[split compass]

LOL goodnight.
I just love that we get to yell at clouds without ever going outside in the modern era.

[sinful moon]

lol indeed

[knotty pendant]

Hi

[obtuse brook]

Not that Intune is perfect, but GPOs are NOT "You figured out how to do this perfectly"

[sinful moon]

For posterity

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memepediadankmemes/images/0/01/297.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180908193511

[sinful moon]

There’s flaws to it too but we have over two decades of documenting the method to the madness

But I’m not going to get wrapped up in this again lol. That’s for tomorrow lol

[obtuse brook]

....Yeah, but then it really falls on it's face when you take remote work into account

not having line of sight to a DC makes AD unhappy

[sinful moon]

Yes, that’s why typically you have a VPN or similar solution in

[obtuse brook]

Yeah...except that increases your attack surface, and there's been soooooo much pwnage from VPN vulns recently

[sinful moon]

yes Entra ID is better in this regard, but I’m not convinced that the management is any better than GPO… plus now youve just shifted the buck to Microsoft

[obtuse brook]

and ZTNA gets a little fucky with AD sometimes

[sinful moon]

Trust me it’s much much much better than when I started lol

We just had straight up open RDP and holy crap nope

Not great when you see “администратор” login attempts in Event Logs lol

[obtuse brook]

It was a different time. https used to be rare too, or sites would only implement https for the auth and transmit everything else raw

hell, we used to game over telnet

[sinful moon]

If nothing else, I ensured that all RDP and even RD Gateway was completely closed from the public internet. I know VPN is not perfect but whew

[obtuse brook]

I'm pushing hard to deprecate our VPN for ZTNA. did a POC on twingate already, testing netbird next

[pine stratus]

[sinful moon]

Heck when I started I saw how OSINT could lead to complete domain comprimise for one client lol. And put and end to that forever

Anyways it’s like nearly 1AM and I’ve been kinda sleepy since 8PM, so while I could chat about this all night. I do very much need to take off

Hopefully we’ll see eachother around Nerf!

[obtuse brook]

twingate does some weird stuff with AD tho. ADUC takes ~15 minutes to load. It works, and it's not 15mins of lag once it opens, but it's bizarre

[sinful moon]

Goodnight all!

[obtuse brook]

nite

[sinful moon]

One last thought yeah we’ve been using a ZTNA solution instead as well and it’s been working out great. But I was to tired to even figure out what that meant at first lol

No issues with AD thus far with it

[hollow jolt]

Anyone experienced HTB AI chatbot causing browser instability?

[half badge]

May each and every one of you lovely people have a day as beautiful as yourselves

[queen raft]

hi ! if i wanted to get into pen testing would tryhackme be my best bet even though i am a beginner

[cloud quiver]

It will 🙂 , it is very beginner friendly 🙂

[jade wing]

Probably the most beginner friendly out of the big 5

the big 5 being THM, HTB, INE, TCM, OFFSEC

I would in my mind always point a beginner here over any of the others

[queen raft]

yea i tried offsec and i struggled a bit and it discouraged me but im ready to try again

[jade wing]

however, you will need to learn fundamentals to be "good" that are only loosely covered on THM

[cloud quiver]

Definitely + it's free/cheap and have AttackBox immediately ready to use 🙂

[jade wing]

Oh dude starting with offsec as a beginner is like jumping into the deep end of a pool and not knowing how to swim yet

Don't be discouraged you just didn't know better

its all good

you are in a good place now

[queen raft]

yea i didn’t know and i was completely out of my league lol

thank you haha

[jade wing]

I'm glad you found us instead if giving up friend let us know if you need anything

make sure you read the rules well and get aquainted with the channels available to you

[cloud quiver]

I would recommend you to start with this path 🙂

https://tryhackme.com/r/path/outline/presecurity

[queen raft]

i really appreciate that and okay got it

[queen raft]

thank you!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @cloud quiver (current: #3 - 2198)

[queen raft]

i was actually led here from a ryan montgomery vid lol

[forest fractal]

is there dark mode for thm?

[jade wing]

There is

[forest fractal]

how?

[jade wing]

Its a newer feature so a bit buggy, but try going into settings in the upper right, I'm don't quite remember where it is and I'm in the middle of doing a CTF so can't look right now but I assure you its there

[cloud quiver]

Click on profile picture > dark mode

[forest fractal]

got it thanks

[queen raft]

@jade wing is it okay if i send you a friend request

[jade wing]

Yea go ahead I don't mind, just know that I am in the middle of a CTF so my responces will come as I can get to them.

[queen raft]

😎cool

interesting so what did you start with?

[rapid merlin]

God the weather has given me a cough

[near sapphire]

It can get pretty frustrating tho

[mellow gull]

Oof, that's rough. Have you made progress with your book?

[forest fractal]

Hello I wanna ask something, when decoding something like you are given a random value that is encrypted and you need to decode it using cyberchef, how would you know how to decode it

see someone who directly says its directly in a tutorial that the data hes working is swap endianness

and than doesnt explain howd he know

that is to be used in order to decode it

[cloud quiver]

You can use Magic decode option in CyberChef , it will try to automatically detect encoding

[forest fractal]

learning autopsy btw

[near sapphire]

U could also use dcode.fr, thats what I usually use to check first

[rapid merlin]

I fell asleep with it on me last night

I had to go out today

So time to do chameleon things and transform

[forest fractal]

theres this activity I found but its been a week and still got no idea HAHAHAHA anyone got a clue or something

online tool for decryption I think Icyberchef is good

[cloud quiver]

Looks like b64

[forest fractal]

Im weak at riddles

[mellow gull]

That's standard B64

for sure

[forest fractal]

thats what I want to ask, howd you know to use b64?

[cloud quiver]

Paste that in CyberChef and select From Base64 decryption

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/

[forest fractal]

already did

but Im stuck here

what to use

like I wanna know how you guys learn how you could tell to use b64