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Muiri is right
lol forgive my addled Americanized brain.
And FFS do not mix them up if you ever go to Glasgow
im not a fan of whiskey/whisky, im more of a voddy and baileys girl 😌
if a drink is not translucent, it's not a drink
I’ll make sure to mix them up when I go to Glasgow
Which one do ya’ll recommend ?
Ever heard of a Glasgow kiss?
Oh dear
No
Your funeral mate
You will 
I can have a couple sips of Bailey’s but then I feel sick, it’s sickly
also make sure to tell them you're from the north when you actually meant south of the scottish border.
Will do
I’m sure I’ll be loved there
Say Whiskey to summon Muiri
Hahahaha
A Glasgow kiss is a headbutt to face 
Better than a Glasgow smile though...
I heard of that one
We're polite though, well also phone you a taxi or an ambulance.
to the scottish im from basically france
Thought you were adamant you weren't Glaswegian
lulz
South of England?
Or an ice cream truck
Essex, dont live there anymore though
Jersey? 😂
Fair. Tbf, we actually like the French, largely 
French fries
not actually french, those are from Belgium actually 🙂
my old friend from wayyyy back is glaswegian, their family parties were great.
Does whiskey go off once it’s opened
That's why he likes it :p
Brb, screenshotting this and dumping it in the GCU Discord
Not if you finish it
Depends how it's stored but the quality will deminish if left
Give me a ln invite,.I'm not on it
there are worst accents 😂
If you look on the members list, you won't see me there 
So you do have to finish it
Toronto accent
Nah, the Uni ESO isn't a thing this year, nobody wanted to chair it
going through the tcpdump room hurt my eyes.
why would you screenshot when you can just copy the picture
Nah, he's kidding
It's okay to leave them open for a while
And the server is dead.
The implication would be that I was getting him in trouble with his fellow Glaswegians
Right. Hang on. You're at GCU, right?
Never heard the term Glaswegians
Yes 🙂
oh right, yeah of course
I hate Jägermeister 😂
So... their hacksoc is just... deid?
Oh 😅
its when you dont limit the amount of packets you want to see and the terminal goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I was a little lunatic when I was
Younger
The fuck is this then?
Yeah, the server is there, but nobody runs it
A graveyard
Lmfao, fair
I brute forced 1 task somehow which means somepoint next week I need to redo the room sighhhh
you meant yesterday 😉 😂
that just sounds like english did in the 1300s
You're not half joking... trying to down a bottle of Jäger is... something else... and I'm Scottish 
Meep
Basically: "it's hard to understand the accent when you're new to it"
Paraphrased significantly
I got the hat and a £20 voucher. It ends tomorrow but not sure what time.
Wtf, i know i heard the word "hot"
I mean I was worse when I was younger lmao 😂Not that I was normal now
I thought he was talking about the weather
I used to drink K which is an alcoholics drink
I would travel home by myself at 3 am
Jesus
Apparently
Old English
I know
the next room im on is nmap but I know nmap so I might do that later lol
An IPv6 packet is walking out of the house..
He goes nowhere...
Yes, i fully comprehend
lol
it doesn't 1300 was middle English.
gotta go back during the week and write my notes for 2 of the rooms
What’s it like being Scottish
Lonely because noone understands you 
I understand scottish people
Don't think you did.
For the record that was a joke. He is actually trying to say a few things, but it largely boils down to "It's kinda hard to think of them when you're put on the spot" then goes off and spouts a few local phrases, and asks if she understands
Very similar to being any other nationality I'd wager
I understand with my heart too.
What type of food
Moving to America... was difficult at first, and I'm fairly well spoken for growing up around Glasgow 😛
I have a sneaky suspicion someone has also cut that audio halfway through him speaking
thats why im writing notes so I can just flick through my notes instead lol
There's a jump which doesn't make a lot of sense
Germany has atleast 2 accents i cannot understand at all and like 2 more which you understand "most" of and we are a really small country. Then we have our dutch neighbours. They sound like a drunk englishman tryes to speak german after doing a basic language course
Maybe to make the meme short
Angry German sounds cool
almost a raw txt file - joplin
Dutch is actually quite similar to Scots in many ways 
I had an exgf from Glasgow, it took a bit to get used to the accent but I believe there are far worst 😂
Yeah, Aberdeen 🤣
dutch is such a silly language

lmfao
ive used joplin for ages at this point. My THM notes is a nest of folders, folder for each path then a folder for each section of that path.
lol
In fairness, the teeth ain't gonna help much if they're speaking Doric
I was going to say teeth or not teeth it doesn't change much 😂
I wonder if AI can understand such accents
Ever wondered what would happen if elevator's didn't have buttons and relied on vocal recognition instead?
In fairness, it will recognise whatever it's been trained on
Eh don’t open ai have a new accent setting
I plan on getting good at this so for me its easier to have notes on hand that is also synced to my phone
The further away from that you get, the worse the recognition
lol my wife loved that skit
wow no one is linked to the roofing one where the poor guy is stuck on the roof and is raging at his friend for a ladder
ELLEVEN
?
I saw it for the first time in secondary school. Still makes me laugh
You seen the two ronnies in a fork shop?
Oh
Yeah, I got her prepped for Scotland (Glasgow) by making her watch chewin the fat.
yep
Almost as good as their game show sketch 
Her mind was absolutely annihilated by the barras, and the other 'less well known' markets.
I am aiming to get to the point where I can start bug hunting. Might not do that but its the current goal.
You can start bug hunting
Scott takes a trip to Sarcasmaholics Anonymous...
Interesting way to get someone to buy your sign lol
10k for an open sign though?? what a rip off lmao
I mean he can give you a closed sign for free
Hey, I don' know how many of you would agree with me but after completing 99% of the content to be penetration tester most often than not I find myself in situation where I struggle to find a way into any system in ctf.
How many of you feels same about this?
(If you have any suggestion, you are most welcome)
Permanently closed
Do you take notes, and utilise them?
lol
I like the accent
same, and I wont be about to get certification anytime soon either
I do have created who lot of notes of whatever topic I found relevent and interesting and yes, I make use of them still struggling
I have no degree or certs 😂
Wait, you people make notes?
Of course
Networking.
Without notes its irrelevent
So you remember everything
Actually, I do have some notes saved on notepad lol
Oh yeah I am absorbing the material on thm. Trying to get networking stuff to stick ATM, I have no struggles with nmap or metasploit and I understand wire shark.
Nah, I just search online if I need to check something
For school I do, don't get me wrong
Photographic memory
But for cyber security, I don't really take notes lol 🤣
Nah, I don't have photographic memory
Even though I can remember like 80 digits of pi 💯
OSI model I understand and have half of it memorised lol
I learned the OSI model from watching NetworkChuck 
I don't think I've ever used OSI 😂
I keep usually forgetting the session and presentation layer because they're just that irrelevant
These are not things you take notes of... And its about understanding you don't really need to memorise these things
They help you build reasoning
And very points from them are actually handy during ctf and real-world (I guess I don't have actual experience)
Oh yeah I know
it's nice theoretical thing, to make you understand a few things but that's it
One more thing I noticed that Dicord profiles are no longer showing the thm level?
Anyone aware why?
I would say it makes you visualize groups in your brain which makes it easier to sort/remember all the other stuff a bit better
Advance channels are also hidden
Cyber Crusader role overwrites rank
How do I get back the OxD GOD?
It will clear after the event
don't worry, you haven't missed anything
Because the majority of people are locked out 😂
Thank godness I thought advance channels are no longer available
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now what do I want from the shop with my voucher.
Do I want to get a t-shirt or the sweatshirt hmmmm
I want a sweatshirt but they don't make the sizes to fit me
indeed
~~It'll stick you forever. No escape until you delete your account. ~~ Yeah it will go after the event
Biggest size is a XL.
I am still in shock that my third Defcon ticket disappeared
aww that sucks
Looks like mine except I got a shirt 😛
@devout palm oh lol your username is actually heap, thought it was just a random hash
I was in the same situation but I've unlocked 3 different prizes today
Not sure if they're just sending a load of prizes out now we're in the final hours?
Hat
well they are getting quite a lot of complains on linkedin, perhaps someone decided to shoot another load of gifts. however, its a monopoly event... so all random and i wouldn't complain too much about 🤷♂️

They wouldn’t do that
black hat is username, ethical hacking is what it's posted
I already redeemed a hat
I do need more jumpers and t-shirts but I think I'm gonna go for the jumper as it's getting cold .
I can't decide xD
What's the name of the encoder/decoding tool
Like it has a good web UI and can be self hosted.
You say it's getting cold.. It's fairly mild down here
cyberchef?
Congrats 🥳
Yeah, was thinking about the name for some time
Point given but you're not suppose to heat up cans.
at least there is some cooking when I'm lazy I just order takeout 😂
safer to get takeout
You need to order, then get up, then wait, then open the door.... Meh
@glass nest 👋 how are you?
Cyberchef?
I prefer to do that an not cook 😂
Yeah
Tired. Made another tiny bowl, Fixed a lamp for my attractive neighbour, and built a stand for my other neightbours xmas decorations
Just microwave the can
It's just a can which you heat
And only just realised that I'd not put a wash on, so scrambling to get my work clothes washed for tomorrow 😄
How attractive is this neighbor?
I guess I poisoned myself with some plastic
make sure to remove the plastic from the can so it's safe to use 😊
(disclaimer; this is hostile information and will result in negative consequences, I legally have to say this on this server)
Yes, safety is paramount in that approach...
attractive neighbour you say, maybe she would need other kind of fixing later on 😉 😂 😛
Disclaimer, what~
PG13....
Nah, She has a partner and also a bun in the oven. She's cool though, I was showing her daughter how to saw wood when they popped over to get the lamp 😄
Will I get beaten or killed for not removing plastic
That's what I hint it and not say it straight 😂
the negative consequences in this scenario would be potentially burning your home down because you put metal in the microwave. If not, you would be at least making some unhealthy side effects of burning plastic
It could easily have been fix a tap or a socket, you went to non pg13 because we're adults and we always go that way 😂
the winking emoji:
She does want a shelf installed at some point
Well, I'm alive rn and no cancer. I will keep you updated tomorrow
I have the smile emoji next to my wink emoji on the recent emojis I used, I could have been a typo, you can't prove it otherwise
Objection! Why do you have the wink emoji in the recent emojis section
I used wink emojis on a few msg, still not prove anything beyond reasonable doubt
just finished 101 and same for me...
@sick lance might get myself the advent of cyber t-shirt one with the cute cyberdog anddd a hoodie
Thats edited 
Kidding
same for me... the pain 😂
Anyone able to help me out with Task 20 on OWASP Top 10? I'm trying to edit the JWT but the machine isn't accepting my modified version
I'm Base64 encoding this
{"typ":"JWT","alg":"none"}{"username":"admin","exp":1730669896}
Setting the jwt-session cookie with the encoded value below but it won't show the flag?
eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJub25lIn17InVzZXJuYW1lIjoiYWRtaW4iLCJleHAiOjE3MzA2Njk4OTZ9
For help with THM content, #room-help is the best place to receive assistance
Ah, of course. Sorry!
How does it work with the big prizes where you're supposed to email in to claim the reward? Are 100's of people winning and they are then chosen at random from all the emails? Or is it just a select few who are actually getting 3 of a kind for the prizes?
Bulletproof
welps time for the meep moops to the beep boops for the sleep sloops
Hello darkness my old friend
Anyone know how to hack?
Lots of us
can anyone show me im new
Have a read over #start-here and then do some paths on THM.
That would be really naughty
That's illegal
Still illegal
No
whyyyyy
We dont teach or discuss illegal topics
Don't hack it, EzPz
This used to just say "You don't have any friends".
how to do security
You should know our website by now!
They should change it back
thanks discord
It was very funny.
It does
Cyber security is often thought to be a magical process that can only be done by the elite, and TryHackMe is here to show you that's not the case. Anyone, with any experience level, can learn cyber security and this Pre-Security learning path is the place to start.
What's that idiom about horses and water
you can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink?
That's the one!
what? lol sekigahara?
Well actually, if we're talking about "making the horse drink", then you could technically speaking stimulate the part of its brain responsible for thirst and drinking behavior. This would likely mean targeting the hypothalamus, the region that regulates thirst. Using targeted electrical stimulation you could activate the thirst pathways in the hypothalamus to artificially induce the sensation of thirst. This could make the horse feel compelled to drink water. "Making it drink water" because the horse itself won't resist their own temptations, as it is a horse
I'll get the electrodes
Anybody got any tips for learning metasploit? The tryhackme rooms aren't doing it for me.
hackthebox or MSFU
Thanks, I am gonna check out the msfu.
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kerberos is a b*tch 😂
I did all that, but I never went too deep to really fully comprehend every aspect
I have a general understanding I would say
Zumi MVP
Oh fun that's something I got to look forward to lol 🤣
It would be overwhelming if you understood components there, not to mention their symmetric encryption and cryptographic principles
Although it varies on environment and some specific policies in place
Sandwhich you say
This
Hello there, I don't know if this is the right channel for this, but I'm creating a custom room for a club that I'm in. Do I have to add anything special to the network/interfaces of the machine, or will THM assign the IP for when you start the machine on the room?
Not really, thm automatically asigns IP when you start machine and it is done by DHCP
Is there a question channel if not i'll ask here
Thank you
Does anybody know why I can't render a website in burpsuite?
If you enable intercept feature in burpsuite it will cause website to hang because burp will wait for you to forward request
Browser should be configured to use burpsuite as proxy
Im using burpsuite browser by the way
The orange button, if you need a visual
You must either forward the request to continue loading the page or disable intercept
Is there any practical usage for vhosts?
Okay I understand, thank you
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Why not just use normal subdomains?
Lack of robust and more manageable approach for hosting distinct apps or services
But subdomains are simpler for basic categorization
Means you can host www.motorbikes.com and www.cars.com on the same server too so you don't have to run two servers at once I guess. Very simplistic example though. Otherwise you'd have to do www.motorbikes.com and www.cars.motorbikes.com, or even, www.motorbikes.vehicles.com and www.cars.vehicles.com
e; if you wanted to use one server and use subdomains. I might not be entirely right on that though
The forward button is invisible for me even though i try to forward it
Send a screenshot of that part of burp suite that I sent you. Intercept should be on and there should be http requests in the list
Beer for Linux hackers.
Ok it looked like I was able to figure it out!
First configure the rules to determine intercepted requests and automatically forwarded ones
I would restart it before doing it
Or if you don't want to do it manually you can just consider turning intercept off temporarily
Understandable thanks
Does anyone know what rank is needed to be in the top 1%?
hello
I’m gonna buy myself 4 refurbished Thinkpads for no reason
how do i get roles on this
Verify your account.
I just got Linux running locally on my iPad with a GUI
LOL
Get rekt Tim Cookie
try a XEON with a proxmox
aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhh
hello!
aah a fellow HDR monitor. let there be light
yea . i hate that screenshots turn out like that
How to get the reward? I already won, but I don't hey
u need to redeem it
i have two laptop tickets arrrghhhh
but man i learned so much because of this event, thank you THM!
same have 2 12 Month Vouchers, Laptop, and DEFCON33 tickets
THM released a new learning path, cybersecurity 101, when you complete rooms of this learning path, you win tickets, if you get 3 of the same ticket you can redeem it
there's a limited stock for some prizes ofc
it's really fun tbh
gimme a chance to relearn the basics
Hello I have a question, Is Kali with WSL a good idea to do tryhackme rooms ?
I am using it since I saw someone do that on youtube and I think it is cool to use, but atm I am doing the steel mountain room and I have some problems running the python exploit (2014-6287), I have checked some videos and I am doing the thing the same way so I wonder if the problem doesnt come from my wsl kali
will there be a draw for defcon 33?
probably
it's convenient but you will not have full control since WSL is not a full linux env
it can definitely cause some problems for some low-level interactions
hmmm okay I see
Run a VM, I believe there are issues with running it on WSL.
this
Yea I'll try with a VM
Kali with WSL? masochism
so close and so far 😢
lmao hell on earth
let's keep grinding
bruh two defcon33
completed the path, no more hope
Not sure if it's documented by kali themselves, but there are threads you can search
I believe i have 20 more rooms wish me luck
you need it!! it's rough out there
thank you my friend
Is it more than 5 people got defcon
Thank you for your help btw 🙂
always a pleasure
dead
does this makes sense guys
so i have a windows 11 pro vm but my local windows is 11 home. and i think that my computer and the vm share the same public ip address. so i was trying to do xfreerdp from linux mint and i kept getting error. so i decided to try and do remmina gui. and i tried to access my rdp server (windows 11 pro vm) but it said "cannot connect to my Public ip address rdp server". so now im thinking is it trying to access my actual computer instead of my vm????
since they share the same public ip address
yes
The situation seems quite complicated. I initially thought only five people would be able to get a DEFCON ticket. It seems likely that they might give it out by lottery.
if two interfaces in the same network share the same IP address, then Windows will throw a fit, so this can't be the case
furthermore, you can't use a public IP address within a private network (as defined by RFC 1918); check your IP configurations for both your host computer and your VM, and make sure that they are in the same subnet
lastly, both interfaces must be in the same virtual network; if you are using VirtualBox, you can attach the VM's adapter to "Host-only Adapter," which will create a virtual adapter for your host computer and connect it to the same virtual network as your VM
If you have lived in UK you would be familiar with the Mcdonalds Monopoly ticket contest. Where you needed to get 3 tickets to win a prize just like the one on THM. Thing is the final 3rd tickets are only made in very few numbers. So even if you have 2 tickets for a prize you are not really "so close" to getting the third ticket. That's not how it works. The third ticket is incredibly rare. And you have a low chance to get it.
.
Then you get people on Facebook that are like "I only need Mayfair to win a holiday. Someone swap me Mayfair for something you need". Not realising there's probably only 1 or 2 Mayfair tickets in the whole country.
"kill me"
anyone have some some more good windows boxes? just did retro
damn guys, i'm very bad at powershell and despite having my security+ and google Cert, i feel like i don't have a lot of IT asic knowledge. Will getting a degree in Sysadmin be helpfull ? ( i have no education after high school)
every room i do on Tryhackme, i feel like i have to go back to basics like Linux Basic, Windows Basics to get around trivial problems x)
Try a sysadmin cert an entire degree just to get better at sysadmin seems overkill also if not already tried try limiting yourself to just using the terminal for everything possible only experience will make you better, reading will only get you so far
Are you student aged?
Like going back to university if you're 35 is a big big decision
But if you're like 16 then it's no problem
I do powershell scripts to automate deployments of some legacy apps in my company, i still feel that I suck, impostor's syndrome is a real thing
tfw not good enough for imposter syndrome 
What country is that in uk you start uni at 18
I didn't mean he can start uni at 16, I just mean if he's 16 and trying to pick what uni degree he wants to do is a lot different than being a middle aged guy and asking if he should do a degree
Maybe he understood uni as college
i believe that some project-oriented videos about powershell would be enough
i'm 29 and i was thinking of doing the degree in openclassroom (online diploma)
nothing beats actual practice!
I mean my godfather did his uni degree in his 50's
you are never too old to learn
and he did it in engineering
oh wow that's amazing
you probably won't learn a lot of IT skills/knowledge from an online degree program, let alone a degree program in general
But opportunity cost is a thing. If I quit my job and started doing university full time I'd lose a lot of money.
the reason why men and women at ASU, MIT, Harvard, and other top schools are cracked is because they do stuff outside the classroom
you can do evening program for adults, all depends if you are dedicated enough
You can do uni at any age you might however miss out on social things or find it harder during social events like club nights and events run, but hell uni is for learning not for getting drunk.
and if you want that overall
from what i get the degree i'm looking at is projects oriented but idk, i've been responding to job offers and everytime they tell me that i need to have a masters degree to even qualify for the first round of interviews
I missed out on socializing overall trough my 20's, I have no hope for that as ex hikikomori
are u applying for FAANG? lmao
where are you located, and what jobs are you applying for that they are asking for a master's degree? lol
master's degree jfc
i'm in France xD
and i'm applying for SOC analyst N1
if you're in Marseille i can help you with IT jobs
Perhaps go for more entry level?
that's crazzzyyyy
you don't need a master's degree to use VirusTotal lol
There was a guy here the other day saying he's turning down entry level jobs with no certs just saying he's studying for certs.
lmfao
bruh master's degree for a SOC L1
PhD in burgerology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_University
Hamburger University is a training facility at the McDonald's Corporation global headquarters in Chicago, Illinois. It instructs high-potential restaurant managers, mid-managers, and owner-operators in restaurant management. Hamburger University's mission is to become an “organizational culture hub, introducing a continuous education process for...
no wonder i no more work in France
I think nowadays getting IT job is much harder, because of surplus of specialists.
so for 1 spot there could be 100 people competing
or because of the influx of unskilled workers
and yeah, a lot of specialists applying for the same job
I find it ultra difficult, maybe if you have university degree and experience, it's different story.
right now in canada there's a huge spike in demande for people in IT
The local schools near me have started demanding a masters degree in education to earn $600 a month. They're straight tripping.
lol
I think thers a lot of people who won the DEFCON33
CISSP for $50k/year
sounds about right
Its tryhackme subreddit
Same in uk although pay is not great but atleast in most high level jobs all they want is experience no degree requirements and a few certs
"I run arch btw, you can tell I am a very skilled computer user because I run arch btw"
CompTIA certifications aren't even that good, and that's coming from someone who has 4 of them
So there's np for sharing it, right
^
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arch Linux. The performance improvemnts are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the GNU + Linux kernal, most of the it will go over a typical wiki user's head. There's also journalctl 's objective outlook, which is deftly woven into systemd - its personal philosophy draws heavily from Linus Torvalds, for instance. The powerusers understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the user space, to realize that they're not just useful- they say something deep about Arch.
they are probably good to get entry level helpdesk job
You should do a maths degree for fun
which is why I recommend the A+, Network+, and Security+ for foundational knowledge, but they aren't hands-on
I kinda wanna do linux from scratch to learn. Wonder if I can somehow work that into a CV.
LFS not worth it
"I use LFS btw"
I use BSD btw
I mean, most of entry level jobs are filled with people who don't have any basic knowledge.
I talked with person who got IT job without even knowing what Github is, yet got the job.

CCNA + Cloud Engineer from Linux Foundation is what worked best for me
well, I don't think a dude's skillset is judged if he knows GitHub or not
Naaa, she was female and she had zero experience in IT.
skill issue
an extremely complicated situation
She literally said she had no clue of what she was doing.
at least Cisco IOS is self-intuitive
Most Entry IT jobs dont need certs , diplomas and stuff so they hire mostly anyone that can 1 + 1
when in doubt, spam question mark
Wait so was the logic for awarding defcon tickets implemented incorrectly.
no
I mean, I don't get entry position at all.
most of entry positions here is like with 100-200 people applying to them.
and also tell CISCO that EIGRP is the best
It should have been set up so the third ticket of everything was very rare. And there are only single digit numbers of third tickets for defcon and laptop.
5% bonus
I thought that was how it was set up
Yeah that's how I think too
you would implement chances/probabilities like it's a Gacha game, but insanely rare
Sometimes its just bad HR management . Im soon graduating in Cybersecurity , i know ill find a job but may places the HR will just not see the opportunity with new graduates for some reason
Thats normally how these 3 ticket games work
THM Impact
yeah, which is why everyone is a Cyber Crusader and not a DEF CON 33 attendee
for example for entry level position in my country applied 57% senior level applicants, 29% entry level, 6% director level
no worries, y'all, if you want to go to DEF CON 33, just cough up $460 for the ticket and about $1000+ for flight, accommodation, and food

i can do that with my PHD in mcdonalds
I have a PhD in Panda Express
lmao
In the end everyone should have won something like cyber crusader and the streak freeze. But everything else they only have 2 tickets in.
in fact, I offer the Idiot+ certification, which has test questions about the best Panda Express order
I thought the trip was fully paid
everyone getting through this competition?
lot more time consuming than I initially thought
I meant if you didn't win the grand prize
already cleared all the rooms in this certs
my parents are the CA
I'm auditing you then
what's the best Panda Express order
hmm
The entry ticket price is frankly ridiculous tbh but it seems like everything in cybersec is expensive
orange chicken
everything in cybersec is expensive
that's just tech in general tbh
that's just everything nowadays tbh *
lmfao
Like I'll pay $20-50 to go to most conventions. And then there's defcon at $460. 
it's $460 cash-only for in-person registration lol
$480 for online pre-registration before the convention starts
and that was this year's prices, I would imagine next year's prices to be similar or higher
So you actually get punished for booking early, not rewarded?
well, you do that if you don't want to wait in line
defcon or CKAD hmm
but it turned out that the in-person registration line was much shorter than the online pre-registration line
so everyone who pre-registered was scammed of $20 lmao
My cybersecurity club hosts an reverse engineering presentation, is this important to cybersecurity?
defcon is the convention, though. if you're going to the industry leader for most industries that's not unheard of tbh
YEAH reverse engineering is nice!
if you're comparing like a bsides to a normal convention from other industries, more equatable
(still expensive, just not a par to par)
if you think $460 is expensive, Black Hat is around $1000 per person because it's meant for corporate security
honestly so is defcon nowadays lol
blackhat is just easier to write off rather than the drinking fest (so bundle the tickets)
Happened to me at the Beijing hobby convention last April. Huge line for everyone that prebooked. I couldn't prebook because I don't have national ID. waited an hour in the line just to get to the door and be told to scan a qr code to book online. The same qr code that didn't work. So he told me to go to another door that didn't even have a line and pay about 10 dollars. I could have just gone to that entrance from the start 
In reverse engineering you have to learn C++ and C, im not that skilled to learn all that. I just be reading presentation slides, but when it comes to actually doing the work I don't know how to
it's helpful for AppSec and especially malware analysis
IDA Free/Pro and Ghidra immediately come to mind for disassemblers
Applied to company that offers like 800-1100$ per month on remote position from usa lul

I'm competing against people who hold university degree to get into it.
1100/mo? in the US?
i use crackmes projects to learn reverse engineering, there's provided solutions also and it's completely free!
Latvia, outsourced work to eastern europe
aaahhhh i thought you meant the job was in the US. disregard.
i have the right if it's free
outsourced makes sense
but still it's quite bad salary for my country
usually what I see, support roles goes from 2-3k$
$1100/mo can get you a tent next to a highway in California
per month
lolll
I wouldn't have a reference but it's pretty damn low for a skilled role here, like bad
just was working on borderlands and those kind of boxes frustrate me to no end, it's so unrealistic 😭
at half time it would be just a lil above minimum wage
very well made though
Okay I will check it out
it's literal minimal salary here
what is minimal salary in your country
two pennies and a hug from a loved one
hug of a loved one is worth a lot so youre lucky
700
USD or local?
usd
700 anime figurines
per month?
yeap
full time????
yeap
average salary for outsourced work lol
hop onto fiverr and make twice that
I've had bad luck on fiverr in the past just getting replaced by people who will work for $2 an hour
That was helpdesk stuff tho
i've made some good money on other platforms in the past (which will go unnamed), but they've become a race to the bottom
not gonna cut my rate to beat someone across the ocean who will do it for pennies
i still get the occasional call from old clients from there tho who throw some money my way -- always good to see those names pop up
Even if you are in Europe, IT salaries suck compared to USA. I saw a reddit thread the other day where people were discussing $60k being bad and entry level.
Like try earning that in Europe as entry level
well tbf -- it depends where
60k in the middle of arkansas is a bit different than where i am up by nyc
like are salaries gonna be that low in Europe's biggest cities with their highest COLs
I also heard Canadian salaries are bad
~~ most canadian things are ~~
real and true
the poutine gets a pass
they even made their own American football league
🤷♂️
was debating if i should comment a number but my first "corporate" gig was literally twice this, albeit with some minor small-co exp and in the ny area
60k would barely pay the rent
shit is expensive here
I've seen SOC 1 jobs paying $36k in UK
eh i see that here too
i wouldn't take it
but they exist
that's about minimum wage now, at least in this state
$36K salary can get you a nice tent on a beach in Hawaii
most of those gigs are at not-fun MS[S]Ps
not on the nice beach tho
no, we can place you near Waikiki beach in Honolulu
It's something I'm looking into deeply because I have been in Asia for a long time earning decent money and that money has been going very far due to extremely low COL.
I'm looking at moving back to my home country, UK. But I'm just not willing to accept such low pay. Like, if anything I need to find a job in UK that pays me MORE than I currently make to counter the high COL in UK.
Anybody got a request of tutorials that I can learn reverse engineering, any youtube videos, or articles I can learn to use crackmes.one?
yes, canadian economy is to bad.
similar story here although it's flipped --- I have some fixed expenses. I'm looking to get outa this shithole and move somewhere nicer, but being in one of the highest COL areas in the US aside from the bay area and nyc proper and whatnot, my relative pay would predictably go quite a bit down while my fixed expensives will, well, stay fixed where they're at
Yeah like to put it into perspective I pay about $30 every 3 months for my electricity. In UK it's easily $150 a month.
Tax on your home in UK: Add another $150 a month
you meet Chiang Mai?
tbh i don't even remember what our utilities are -- asked about them the other day but forgot to follow up (i don't handle those myself)
not bad i guess, but our gas isn't great
cheaper than in some parts of the country tho so can't complain
i confirm, i'm in canada and it's not that good
soooo much cheaper than where i'm at in canada (when I am)
If you earned $36k £28k GBP in UK you'd have around £200 a month to spend or save after paying all your bills. 🤮
Where I live now I save around $3000 a month.
I heard thats Chiang Mais is good for digital workers, 10x cheapeast that EUA
Cost of living and taxes are different in the US and can't be compared to anywhere else really. You also have cities like New York, Austin, San Francisco, Seattle, etc skewing the data very heavily. On top of that, FAANG salaries skew the average salary even higher.
Most of the remote work I see (at least in UK) want you to still be in UK. You can't just hang around Cambodia and do it.
sad, what means digital if digital is not digital?
I'm guessing it's the same in USA too as there are currently a lot of these scams where people in other countries try to use an American as a proxy to obtain work in USA. Like the American is the one employed at the company. The person in say... Thailand does all the work. And splits the money.
Apparently it's bean a problem --- I've noticed several companies here requiring at least a final interview on-site to prove you're real and really here even for remote gigs
You've even got North Koreans trying to do this
glances at knowbe4
Laws and taxes come into play
😂
aren't those just synonyms for suggestions
he's actually 100% serious about that --- several companies how uncovered it recently
And the people that help them are getting into big trouble
Like the glow boys charging you with espionage level
I don't really have time, I'm supposed to be working 

Then let's not make claims without providing evidence
oooooooo coffee's in trouble
It falls on you to provide evidence for claims you make
Nah, it's just annoying when people throw things around and don't provide anything along with it
it came to me in a dream
It's probably a two second search, but it's the principle
true, this aint reddit
Reddit is even worse because they will provide sources completely out of context 

your party candidate is wrong! *links to 1972 article about mac and cheese*
Mac and cheese Is gospel
I got banned from a subreddit a couple of months ago for misinformation, only one I've been banned from, citing .gov sites, other professionally accepted sources, and I think the White House
people get banned nowadays from subs they've never even participated in just for posting in wholly unrelated subs 😂
i've somehow gone all these years without getting my main banned from anywhere, don't know how
only gotten two or so reddit cares on my main as well
Yeah, I think it's funny. It just solidifies people's thoughts on Reddit as a platform
this is supposed to be against the rules but the admins don't do anything
Reddit has become worse than /b/
Because they're friends and now there's money involved with long time mods getting stock
Anyways, doesn't matter. I do not want to go to work tomorrow
Not been on 4chan in years. So long ago that "install gentoo" was the default answer to every tech issue.
ah crap, speaking of work, it's already 11 here ,-, i gotta be awake at a normal time tm in case i'm needed to hop on a final sales call........
not wanting to lose this one
good moneys
Yeah, it's 11 but feels like midnight
Because it was midnight at this time yesterday lol
wait, was that today?
or last night i should say
did we lose an hour ln?
oh man we did
i was already getting almost no sleep last night but when my alarm went off i was even more tired than i should have been --- that would explain that
yeah, it was "today" depending on your timezone
good thing I'm from Hawaii and go to university in Arizona, both places don't observe DST lol
well, most of Arizona, technically
tbh, it's weird for us because our companies obviously work with other nationwide companies that have workers in timezones that do observe DST
and Teams/Outlook doesn't automatically update the times for calendar meetings
to make it even weirder, apparently the navajo res in AZ does observe it
yeah, which is why I said most of Arizona lol
@clear jackal are you the dev behind waptil
Gained an hour
Or whatever that tool is called
the funny part is the lowest parts of Alaska (the Aleutian Islands) observe DST but we (Hawaii) don't, even though we are in the same timezone
okay so my being more tired was just a result of shit poor sleep then
Hey I did that 2 hours ago. #cyber-and-careers message
Im so fucking tired
then sleep 
No
I need to hack more
What?
But gentoo doesn't even come with hack_nsa.sh you need kali for that
Hello,
I've won all the 3 tickets of defcon33 and I've also mailed to the tickets@tryhackme.com waiting for their response
guys noob question probs, why cant i pop a shell using vm but I can on wsl? tried to uninstall and reinstall metasploit on my vmware to no avail. both my kali vm and the vm im trying to root is on NAT.
I completely underestimated the time this would all take
Because WSL is still kinda f-ed when it comes to networking even with the networking and VM improvements in WSL2. I wouldn’t try too hard to get WSL working when you already have a Kali VM which is working fine
Do keep in mind that Microsoft made WSL to combat honestly mainly developers using macOS over Windows purely for the *nix bits where infosec and demanding networking are dramatically lesser concerns
shoot I read that backwards
completely
what makes you say this? i haven't really had problems with it. especially when it comes to docker. network shares were kind of a pain but i Figured It Out
check your openvpn settings and more
unless you just mean wsl 1
I’ve always had very poor luck with WSL 1 and 2 but fair if I run into issues, I’d much rather just use a linux box anyways
wsl1 is so cursed it gave my coworker bluescreens for weeks until he narrowed it down
but ya a vm is Much Preffered for Kali
though as a dev environment wsl2 + vscode is kind of a dream when working on windows
Yeah and fair maybe some of those horrors are why that impression was left on me. I just never hard much of a reason to test WSL2 that hard when I have perfectly good Linux based pentesting systems elsewhere. Always thought it was a bit of a half measure in terms of infosec tooling anyways
yeah as mentioned, no issue for dev or quick *nix tasks tho
but fair even for personal use I have a remote VPS box I just use for my pentesting and etc, aka babby’s first c2 server lol
so a lot of WSL or whatever is, lets ssh into my real Linux machine lol
my worst issue with WSL was picking a linux flavor that ran on the oldest glibc runtime possible. needed to develop for QNAP NAS and somehow none of the runtimes available for it ran on WSL, which turned into a cross compiling nightmare
Interesting Letterboxed btw, I do love me some Mullhulland Drive but not sure I’d place it in my top 5
my condolences for the QNAP NAS :p
I kid though, understandable issue
david lynch saved me. went to the criterion sale at barnes and noble today and picked up blue velvet
Nice nice! Yep love that one as well
My faves are considarably more scifi: https://boxd.it/3wQP
Morning
G’morning!
i love those, do you mind if i follow you?
go for it, I shall do the same
I have an exam exactly after 43 mins
Guys is here any video material online which covers pen 100 completely
Good Luck
you'll nail it
Oh not bad, enjoy!
That'll be fun
Also I will say props on the physical media purchases. We have over 1,500+ blurays atm lol
Anyone help me with redeeming free swags
started in like 2021 lol
i started collecting this year i am a huge geek about hdr, bitrate, dolby, gamut, all that
Same same!
Although always sucks when you’re like, nice finally got Criterion Collection Godzilla (1954)… two months later… what do you mean there’s a UHD Blu-ray of it now, Criterion plz
Where can i buy things like commodore 64 and old nintendo gameboy
The PEN-100 is covered by OffSec’s training library
one day i'll get that box colection half off
Although to be fair if you can settle for FPGA, the Analogue Pocket is a fantastic option for a modern Gameboy
Go to a third world country or Japan, trust me
Hah yeah, I’ve had my eye on the Showa collection if that’s what you mean.
I wish xd
Not sure if you use it but blu-ray.com and the app is pretty decent for tracking sales and your purcahses
Yup it's usually sold out though
even at my b&n
My SO and I just share a Blu-ray.com account so we can both update what we’re buying and etc
i love having my physical disks. streaming services can never take them away and they're so much higher quality than streaming
though i do have to give it to netflix engineers they know how to make a compression algorithm
For sure, yeah you’re a part of the same backlash as us lol
😅
I’ve always been a stickler for quality but yeah streaming services pushed avaliability too far to the point not even meh quality was acceptable anymore
also helps we now have 2x LG OLEDs and whew love them
love my lg c3
Yep lol! I have a C3 in my room and then a larger one in the living room
Lovely even just playing HDR games on PC connected to it. HDR is a huge game changer for the new Red Dead Redemption re-release for PC
4K is lovely indeed, but I’m sure you’ll agree that HDR is the real game changer for going UHD
i'm considering the ps5 pro because i'd really like to game on the c3. i have my pc which i Could Run but setting it up is such a hassle
lol I’m just lazy and have my gaming laptop nearly permanently connected to my bedroom TV for this purpose
i've been playing a lot of yakuza and final fantasy lately i feel like sitting back and relaxing playing it would feel so much better on the couch instead of desk chair
Nice nice, and yep, I’m literally just playing on my bed in a sitting position lol. We work from home so the less time sitting at my desk in the home office, the better
lol I probably have some photo of my jank but still nice setup in my camera roll
Yeah it’s nice, and yeah that’s just iPad Pro on the side, which I’m typing on rn
Steam Deck on the left, Analogue Pocket on the right, and Apple TV and Blu-Ray player too dark to be seen
laptop half open to make sure it doesn’t overheat on the shelf below 🙃
also been considering a steam deck but i feel like the ps5 pro will fill that void. is apple tv worth the price over the LG webOS?
10/10 yes
I mean even if you’re only using it for Plex/Jellyfin or whatever
it’s literally current iPhone specs in them, by far the most powerful streaming device and can actually game if you wanted it to
I’m convinced they sell them at a loss
ik LG doesn't have a criterion app which is a big minus for me but apple tv does
also yeah as much as I love webOS as a platform/idea, the C3 just doesn’t have enough hardware to really do it justice
plus yeah I’d also like to have my TV not connected to my network in favor of a more purpose built and more secure device
i hadn't thought about that
yeah it was pretty low on the scale of threat modeling, but there was a big LG TV vunerability not long ago as well
i have thought about putting my IOT devices on a different subnet or whatever but have been too lazy to set it up😅
even my monitor had a CVE this year
lol we’ve mostly did that, but yeah I’m too lazy to make sure my retro computers are there as well
shhh I totally don’t have Windows 98SE and XP running on the network at times. Please VLAN your dumb projects kids
I was drinking nearly 10 hours ago and all I'm gonna say is that my stummy hurts
my biggest use case is just FTPing files over to them. With the retro computers being the clients
aw, that’s no good
I intend to order myself a bacon sausage butty as soon as a place opens 🤣
I did kareoke and all I'm gonna tell my housemates is that it was pitch perfect
do you have some sort of home file server setup
i've been thinking about it because i have a lot of concert pics/vids and i'm kind of over keeping them in icloud
Also reading conversation, I definitely recommend a separate vlan and wireless access point for older devices and iot networks
but i don't want to spend more than about $200-300 on it
I used to run a wpa access point for my PSP
More than, we have a Synology NAS with 64TB plus this beast of a server setup (Dell PowerEdge T430)
I've got a power edge 2950 but I'm not using it atm, I'm hoping to get my Ryzen build back from my parents soon as my younger brother was using it, it will be my home server soon
Nah that’s why we went with the tower, we have too small of a house for a rack mount and this was designed to sit in a corner at small/medium business
hi
the case thmdc is active but thmiis is down could happen?
It’s currently specced with Dual Xenons and 256GB of RAM, also I think another 64TB of storage lol
i've been looking into something like this but i don't have a lot of room in my apartment since i live in a studio atm
#site-support please.
Very nice, the most storage I've got is actually external and for my laptop haha
I think I've got 2tb internal nvme and 1tb of external nvme and then up to 4tb hdd
Also fitted it a firmware hacked Blu-ray drive for reasons I’m sure you’ll understand lol. The dual Xeons make short work of video encoding
😅
The NAS holds the movies however, and this hosts the server and encoding side of things
dual xeons is so good that must have been fun to set up and get working
that is genuinely a very cool setup
Rate it, we do similar ish for CDs and music
Very much so, yeah it’s just running VMware vSphere, but fair that was before Broadcomm crapped the bed dramatically
I just have a ton of experience administrating this exact kind of setup at work
we're using esxi and vsphere too over here
mhmm
Although most server interaction is actually on nethserver within that
I have a very lovehate relationship with nethserver
It's centos based but can be installed on top of any distro technically
Makes setting up various services much easier when it works correctly
this sort of thing is outside of my expertise but do you mind if i add you to talk about it at some point? probably won't look into it for a few months because i need time to financially recover from the ps5 pro but it's something i'd like to get setup with
Over here I want to get my desktop setup and a proper managed firewall and then potentially setup a homelab vlan, just want to upgrade the ram in the computer and then get some network cards
This is a 2014-2016 era server I will say, but even then its largely overkill beyond the video encoding lol
i have such a negative centos experience but only because i've had to use a distro from 2016 for compiling
Well this will be a Ryzen 5 3600 build, currently 16gb of ram but that'll be changed
Often this server is pretty idle but when it’s going, whew it’s really going
When I went to uni I let him use it under the terms of: he cleaned it and I got it back when he got his own haha so looking forward to it. I am going to daily drive my laptop though I think because it will perform slightly better
The home server is currently actually managed by my dad but I want my own and that's running an fx8350
Totally fair mhmm, sometimes I forget the age differences here specifically compared to the rest of discord but yep makes sense
My old one in fact, my dad likes using my old computers as the home server haha
That's a beautiful amount of storage and memory though I will say
my dad is retired but he worked as a software engineer most his life. he needs hobbies bad so i should get him into home networking lol
Final year of uni and it's stressing me out 😅
apply to ALL the internships
yeah and that’s with me slicing off a bit of the RAID because I was too lazy to set up VMware’s own storage well lol
Not necessarily difficult as such, just burnt out to fuck and I've only been back a month
They basically said that USB/Flash/SD Card are no longer recommended and I was like well crap
I believe we're running raid 6 now
We're still running esxi off usb haha
My usb that my dad asked to borrow
Yeah there’s nothing wrong with that, VMware just no longer recommends it
I said, when am I getting it back and he went oh, never 😭
and since this isn’t our main NAS or anything, sure, I can waste a few TB lol
That was nearly half a decade ago 🤣
AHH that's fair
2019 being half a decade...
Not the autocaps on ahh
It scares me
fr
been too lazy to figure out another option since yeah working in IT kinda drains your external IT project excitment
My brother turned round to me and said "our cats are older than year 7s" for reference they are 12
same except i can't code at home
They are half my life
Between work and uni I can't at the moment 😭
You all are going to have issues once you get to my age and see 30th anniversaries for media you like and realize, oh right I am older than that
lol
16 hours total including both and I'm burnt out from uni being a pain
I was reading and realised I'm as old as one of my PSPs
I also actually have a laptop nearly as old as me
heh yeah PSP is early high school for me, freaking loved mine
I still have a 1000 and 2000
Very nice!
I recently updated the firmware because ark came out for the psp
I do have a vita but it's been in pieces for months because I'm meaning to change the joystick at some point 😅
Back in the day I played more emulated games on them than actual PSP games, but these days I appreciate the PSP’s own library tons. And not to say I didn’t enjoy some back in the day
I played the umds because I had a habit of breaking psps
was freaking mindblowing in 2006 or whatever when you could emulate GBA, the compeditor’s last gen system, on this current handheld
I wasn't trusted to touch electronics because of my history with psps
lol, to be fair UMD mechanisms were fragile
I bricked 2 PSPs and so have owned 4 psps in maybe 10-15 years
Nah it was missing 😭
my parents would never buy me a psp so i always ended up watching my friend play
Oh I bricked my first PSP in the Firmeware 1.5 era, and had to use Pandora’s battery via another friend’s PSP to fix it
I followed one tutorial on my 3000 with temporary custom firmware, final step is a reboot and then at the very end of the tutorial it says "don't do this with temporary custom firmware, it'll brick it"
it was because I tried an early homescreen theme changer app which modified flash0:/ so that’s understandable
i swear having to deal with stuff like that is what sends you directly into IT career
Or when I cancelled an update and it didn't cancel so little me pulled the battery
Yeah hand me down PCs are what got me into tech lol
I had to fix them up and make them work for myself
Similar here with flash0 mods on temporary cfe
Cfw
I mentioned ark earlier but it has a completely rewritten IPL and can actually boot a magic memory stick without a pandora now on some models
Still have one of them, I’m sure James has seen it but for avalyn2 though. This was my main (hand me down) PC in the early 00s
And you can unbrick every model now using a usb to uart adapter
Love it 😄 I think my oldest was a Compaq presario
i remember being 4-6 years old sitting in front of a setup like this 😭
Hah thanks, yeah it’s a 1999 Dell XPS T500, slightly upgraded/sidegraded since then
And a satellite l10 777
idk how I decided that running Windows 2000 was the best choice for it in the early 00s but it completely was
That machine is way more fit for 2K than XP
I have actually used a laptop that shipped with windows 95
My grandad might still have it actually
i had one of my dad's old work laptops with that
Yeah I used to have significantly older hardware, but I had to hold on to the “best of” when I moved out for the first time
i definitely dropped a magnet on it and ruined the HDD
That's fair, I genuinely fear moving out now
😭
rn I have this Pentium III, a Pentium 4 Dell Dimenson, an iMac G3, and an NTSC Amiga 500 w/ Commodore 1048 monitor
It was a zafira and a half of stuff when I moved in 2022 and I've since acquired more things, like a BBQ, a power edge and 2 desktops 😭
one day my 3070 ti will become vintage tech too right
I currently have 2 desktops and a laptop in my wardrobe for a homelab setup down the road
used to have literal stacks of old laptops and piles of old desktops before I moved out of my mom’s place in the early 2010s lol
wish I held onto more, but fair many of them needed more work
I also may have about 8 phones on my bookshelf at the minute and various bomb-looking routers
8 phones is crazy i think i've had only 3 or 4 in my life
I have 4 routers in my room currently
I badly miss my WRT54G, I’ve been thinking of picking another up
they’re like $5 on ebay lol
Some of them are family's but most are mine but are up to a decade old
i do wish i had a phone exclusively for OTP
I've a dsl ac68u meshed at the moment
I administrated the home network and ran dd-wrt and OpenWRT on that WRT54G back in the day and it was lovely
Those phones will actually be good for my dissertation so no complaints
enterprise grade features on extremely common router
My Netgear r8000 is ddwrt and then my dsl AC68u is fresh tomato 😊
after we upgraded routers (and I installed dd-wrt on that too lol) I used my WRT54G to teach myself WiFi cracking and etc
nice nice c:
I'm hoping to nick my dad's draytek router as well soon as he might be dropping it due to limits on firewall throughput
But for me that's perfect and I can use it for proper vlans
I did get into infosec and this stuff in the 00s but there was no real clear carrer path back then, thought it was a neat skill that I just couldn’t do anything legally with
worked for a decade in unrelated fields until finally hopping back into IT as help desk, and that same month…. log4shell lol
instantly proved myself to management that I more than kept on top of that threat and patching and just became the infosec person, signed up here to catch up lol
not sure why you needed my infosec life story but I do find it interesting lol
I ordered my food 😌
I'm glad it worked out for you 😊 I'm currently working in software dev, done it for about a year ish and hoping to pivot more into cyber security
Nice what are you getting?
And nice nice, no complaints there and always good to have fallbacks
Tim Hortons was open so I went for that haha
haha totally fair
They weren't serving burgers because it's 6am so I opted for a bacon butty and a sausage butty because I'm starving
But it's a 40-60 minute wait 😭
Also yeah I’m in the weird “self taught” kinda quandary where it’s both extremely impressive but also harder to prove for new jobs. I just need some certs to go with my 4+ years of job experience thus far
That's fair, I currently have no certs so I've got my personal coding experience, a year in industry so far and then at the end of the year another year part time and a degree hopefully
Yeah the degree part is often what HR is looking for but most people actually in IT don’t care so much as long as you know what’s up
I will say thm really helped me have something to prove in a way because I met people like f11 and matheuz who inspired me to write a rootkit for both haha
same boat mostly i hope my work will pay for some certs then i can land something nice with security certs and coding experience
I’ve seen compsci grads who are completely inexperienced and know nearly nothing about sysadmin or etc
🤞
It is painful watching some people on my course I will admit
lol i can imagine
You’re probably starting to butt up against some who were nearly iPad kids
i graduated cs knowing so little about networking i couldn’t tell you what a gateway was
When I started the course I remember seeing people struggling to turn on the computers, its a cyber security and digital forensics degree 😭