general

[normal fable]

It is a good movie

Shop S Mart!

[wooden totem]

cash money free advertising space

[narrow pewter]

Anyone has any idea of a reason that would explain why my download speeds in my kali machine (wireless) go from 10Mb sometimes to 3Kb, usually sitting most of the time around 300Kb?

There is no other device conected through wifi, only my second machine running discord through wire

[normal fable]

Your Kali machine on hardware?

Anyway.. wifi issues, check to see what your neighbors are using for channels and offset, check stability of wifi etc.

[narrow pewter]

The router is suposed to support at least 50Mb Wifi wise

[narrow pewter]

yap

[narrow pewter]

I'm literally in the middle of nowhere

Around only pinetrees...

2km around...

[normal fable]

Probably the pinecones are interfering with your wifis. 🤣 jkjk

[narrow pewter]

Just connected my phone, 20Mb. The other is sitting at 100Kb

[normal fable]

Could be a bad driver, bad hardware or some form of interference. Hard to say without doing a site survey.

[narrow pewter]

Anyway, finished updating in 20min, not bad...

[narrow pewter]

Noted, I will have a look at it later, thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @normal fable (current: #58 - 115)

[normal fable]

np and welcome to Discord 0xD. 🙂

[narrow pewter]

Thanks ❤️

[crude stump]

anyone know why my windows vm doesnt fill the whole screen?

[narrow pewter]

what hypervisor?

[wintry sluice]

perhaps you gave it a monitor of fixed size resolution

[crude stump]

virtual box if thats what you mean

[sick lance]

You might need to install the extention, or guest additions

[crude stump]

awsome

[normal fable]

NYC AI chatbot is giving out bad legal advice. 🤣

[crude stump]

Ai judges?

[wintry sluice]

your first mistake was consulting an LLM for advice

[bitter quiver]

Basic legal advice has been done via AI for a few years now

Simple stuff is hard to screw up

[wintry sluice]

AI or automated response?

[bitter quiver]

And honestly the cases that justify a real lawyer often times are only valid due to how primitive and crappy our legal system is

[wintry sluice]

cos they aren't the same things at all

[timid prism]

why is law being defined by a bot ?

[bitter quiver]

To me knowledge AI

[timid prism]

pretty sure all humans dont do things 100% rationally

[bitter quiver]

Law is being defined and laid out by humans, AI is providing a layman explanation of protections

[timid prism]

emotions exist

[bitter quiver]

Emotions are the cause of about....99% of crime

[wintry sluice]

attempting to provide*

[timid prism]

yes

[bitter quiver]

So you throw out emotions, and simply enforce

ez

[normal fable]

Law doesn't care about emotions. How it makes you feel has no bearing on the legality of things.

[timid prism]

like to get a good life therotically work hard
but is it everyones cup of tea? no

[bitter quiver]

However our laws are so insanely bloated they need reworked

[bitter quiver]

Incorrect

[timid prism]

laws are just currupt everywhere

[bitter quiver]

Tons of defense strategies based on emotional states

Tons of offense strategies based on emotoinal states

[timid prism]

some laws do need defences on emotional basis. im not talking about u going to murder someone cuz u hate them obviously

[bitter quiver]

Your honor, this here man made my client feel sad about themselves and they plan to sue for emotional distress

[blazing granite]

it doesn't care about emotion, but it cares about state of mind 🙂

[normal fable]

This

[wintry sluice]

determining mens rea is a key component of criminal proceedings.
different mens rea can mean the difference between murder and manslaughter, for instance.

[bitter quiver]

Which is entirely dictated by either mental illness, substances, or emotions

None of which in my books should have any bearing on the outcome

[timid prism]

i mean the law has hours to decide what to do they assume you could have done this instead but somethings are just depending on ur mood/ur knowledge and ur emotions at that time and u dont have 1 day to think some things

[wintry sluice]

crime of passion is a recognised thing

[bitter quiver]

You done Jury duty before?

[timid prism]

nah

news

[bitter quiver]

It doesn't take hours

Takes fookin weeks/months/years sometimes

[timid prism]

hours as in they talk for many sessions about what you cuold have done instead

[bitter quiver]

Ah

[timid prism]

like mr xyz could have used this method at that instant

instead of opting to do abc

[rapid merlin]

hi

[boreal scarab]

Yah.... difference here, is that Arch machind is bare metal, not a VM

[wintry sluice]

that's all to do with determining mens rea.

[shut hawk]

Usually 10 days...

[bitter quiver]

I think it's easy. Don't harm anyone, in any regard(fiscally, physically) and boom.

[bitter quiver]

Usually yes, I said sometimes for a reason

[timid prism]

pretty sure some situations a normal human being cannot be rational and needs to take such a quick decision be it good or bad. u dont know what the options are u dont have time

[wintry sluice]

define harm

[timid prism]

we dont mean harm exactly

it could be any other thing

[bitter quiver]

Definitive loss of safety and/or value via property or assets, physical or digital

[timid prism]

in your country maybe but here its just 😄

[blazing granite]

arch is overrated, arch users are becoming the vegans of Linux, they need to tell you they use arch and they want that everybody use arch 😂

[shut hawk]

yup, I'm sure its definitely country specific

never heard of a Jury duty last over a year here though

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/arch-linux-arch-btw-cv-walter-white-gif-24576245

[timid prism]

idk if tehres a jury system here

[bitter quiver]

Yeah I've been told in India normal court cases can last years in general

[timid prism]

never went to court

all i know is news involving scams and criminals being freed out everyday and arrested every night

[wintry sluice]

"I have a great deal of experience in causing dealing with BSOD"

[timid prism]

and if its some $$ person then forget about winning a case

[sick lance]

Depends on the severity of the case

[bitter quiver]

I think 10.5 months is the record a jury sat, but the cases themselves they sit on can still have years behind them(in that case of the record 11 years)

[timid prism]

i dont like jury concept. well i just saw in movies so cant rlly say thats how it works

[shut hawk]

I've done some googling, and can't find any in the UK - longest I could find was 320 days...so do send

[bitter quiver]

Well you can choose actually.

[wintry sluice]

no one really likes the idea.
its just that all other concepts tend to be worse.

[timid prism]

the lawyers screw many stories which will confuse and make the loser win and winner lose cant trust some random people

[bitter quiver]

In America you can choose to face just the judgement of the judge or the judgement of your peers

[timid prism]

i dont think u go to a court here unless u do some big shit

[crude stump]

Go to court for tickets etc

[timid prism]

nah

[crude stump]

?

[bitter quiver]

UK is likely different

I only know for here

[timid prism]

u visist police station but never court for such silly things

[shut hawk]

Indeed, was just in reply to scrubz message

[bitter quiver]

Gotcha

[timid prism]

murders? money scams etc

[crude stump]

Not in America

[sick lance]

Bare in mind courts have public holidays and don't run Sat+Sun.

[crude stump]

You gotta go to court for a ticket

[bitter quiver]

Also for any of that it depends who you know lol.

[shut hawk]

Of course lol, but that isn't going to make it last a year

[timid prism]

well police arnt that harsh here

[sick lance]

A calender year, yes.

[timid prism]

driving here isnt a cup of tea if i may say

[bitter quiver]

Police here are either excellent human beings or want to punch your yorkie for fun.

[sick lance]

There's 104 sat and Sundays in a year.

[bitter quiver]

No middle ground

[sick lance]

Then also count in public holidays.

[tired peak]

generally you only go to court in the US for traffic issues if you want to argue against them

[timid prism]

police here wont rlly bother u a lot, they just give u a fine, either they can give u warning or fine u a ammount

[shut hawk]

Could you show me a case where it lasted a year? I'm generally curious as to the effect it would have, and how it turned out

[tired peak]

like you get a fine/ticket, you pay it... if you don't, then you can get arrested

[timid prism]

lmao weird

[tired peak]

if you don't agree with the fine/ticket, you can go to court and argue

why is that weird?

[timid prism]

arrested

for a ticket

[shut hawk]

*for not paying

Not for getting a ticket

[timid prism]

i mean they would have to arrest entire country

oh like that

[sick lance]

Calender year, or 365 days?

[tired peak]

so what happens is you get a warrant for your arrest, they will send you letters in the mail, etc, etc if you didn't pay within a certain period of time

[bitter quiver]

Decent strategy sometimes as some areas the cops don't care to show up

[timid prism]

america has big roads for a police chase

i can only imagine a police chase here

[tired peak]

police chases are pretty rare

[timid prism]

i see some vids on yt about it

old 2 3 years back

[bitter quiver]

I've lived in 2 states and never once seen a police chase in 37 years

[tired peak]

yeah I've never seen a police chase

[shut hawk]

365 days

[timid prism]

yt suggested me some few years back so all i know is that

[bitter quiver]

And one of them had some high crime zones. Most of the time criminals prefer to book it on foot and then give up.

Less charges

[timid prism]

i mean here everyone drives like crazy so its normal to be crazy

if u drive normal ur bonked

[shut hawk]

@sick lance Found one 😄

[sick lance]

You have?

[boreal scarab]

And breaking my VM's vlan... cause ENO2 on TrueNAS decided it didn't want to give an ipv4 address and remove itself....

And now I have to run around and try and fix it

[timid prism]

criminals as in?

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/dns-haiku-dns-haiku-tech-pod-it-was-dns-gif-27399037

[bitter quiver]

Uh, thieves, dealers mostly

[boreal scarab]

WTF

[timid prism]

dealers?

[shut hawk]

320 days in court, 20 months on duty
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4828644/Jurors-UK-s-longest-crime-trial-need-counselling.html

[tired peak]

also like if you are a murderer or bank robber, you probably aren't just going to pull over nicely, you going to run for it

[timid prism]

here its either a huge ass dealing or no dealing

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hitting-head-on-desk-cat-insane-cat-gif-24842238

[bitter quiver]

In America most areas don't have too much breaking and entering because there is a decent chance those of us inside will resolve the issue instantly lol

[bitter quiver]

Drug peddlers

[boreal scarab]

Even after I save the manual IP on eno2, it removes itself

[timid prism]

here its just basically a commedy film

[tawny magnet]

[timid prism]

news evry other day

xyz arrested
out on bail!
arrested!
out on bail

[tired peak]

thieves are smart these days, I've heard of some theft rings that basically use drones to case your home, put trackers on cars to monitor when someone will or won't be home, they go in, within 10 minutes, they are out

[timid prism]

and do kids rlly go to jail that often there??

[tired peak]

no

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-bad-vibes-throw-it-whats-going-on-gif-16325118

[bitter quiver]

For when I'm out of decent apartmetns and have my own home I plan to have a remote controlled paintball gun with pepper balls like the police use. SInce it's manually operated it's not a booby trap, and since it's less than lethal there are no issues.

Let em case the joint

[timid prism]

not many people steal here

its either small

or either huge

[bitter quiver]

Gonna be hard to run/drive while vomiting and crying your eyes out.

[timid prism]

bad idea to drive in bad state here

i cycle though many signals which are filled with traffic so i have to be as alert as possible from all directions 💀

[bitter quiver]

I got to used a remote controlled paintball gun before via phone and from like 3 states away and it's really doable, and that was like 10 years ago

[wintry sluice]

might wanna seek legal advice on that and not just assume its good

[bitter quiver]

I've semi done that

[timid prism]

many court cases are just fake accused

[tired peak]

still it really depends, so you have to see the alert that they are in, have them in a position that you can get to them, also they can still cause damage even if they don't steal anything

[bitter quiver]

They can cause damage that's fine

[timid prism]

so before yelling at someone on road u just have to keep shut u never know who that person might be

[shut hawk]

feel like pepper balls would damage my house

[bitter quiver]

Mostly impossible to breath until you air it out

[shut hawk]

as in my furniture

[tired peak]

last story I read, the thieves didn't steal anything because a police helicopter was close by and the car got confiscated although they weren't caught, but they did break a $10k window to get in the house

[timid prism]

windows of 10k

[wintry sluice]

must have been a massive window

[timid prism]

house of glass

[bitter quiver]

You can sue and get a decent chunk back from all their assets being used for it, takes a bit of time

[boreal scarab]

..... I had to reset the eno2 interface for TrueNAS to get the vlan info again....

[shut hawk]

which would go straight to paying for lawyers and legal fees 😕

[timid prism]

suing someone is just done by big companies

[tired peak]

they are often on tourist visas and if caught, just deported

[timid prism]

normal people wont budge

[bitter quiver]

You include that in the lawsuit here often

[shut hawk]

oh thats good

[timid prism]

how long does suiin or a court case

[wintry sluice]

this is false

[bitter quiver]

Eh, that goes into me feeling ethically balanced to seek out personal justice.

[timid prism]

in here. it takes hell amount of time and proofs

[tired peak]

uh huh

[bitter quiver]

If they get deported I'm going to buy the land their family lives on in their home country then evict em lol

[tired peak]

you apparently like to go to movie level extremes...

[bitter quiver]

LIfe is harsh, I don't stress about things because I find ways of entertaining myself.

[whole yew]

This is exactly what house insurance or rental insurance is for. Trying to recoup damage as a civil lawsuit is going to be extremely painful. Let the insurance handle it, that's actually their job.

[bitter quiver]

You can do both though.

The lawsuit is to make the other person miserable

[shut hawk]

Why though?

[bitter quiver]

Because my views on theft is that he law should solve it in a more final method than we do currently.

Never seen a fresh thief. It's always their 20th time

So I will always follow the law

But doesn't mean I have to be idle

[tired peak]

not enough time in the world to have personal vendettas

[whole yew]

But you aren't. You are advocating extra-legal reparations, but going out of your way to punish someone who you think has wronged you.

[shut hawk]

If they're stealing they probably can't afford to live anyway, why would you then want to make their life miserable more after they've been punished by the law?

[bitter quiver]

While following legal restrictions, yes

[whole yew]

And you may be punishing a LOT of people who didn't have anything to do with the crime

[bitter quiver]

To an extent, possibly yes. Then you let them know whose fault it all is. But still done within legal frameworks without violating the law.

[tired peak]

also they are often trafficked / sometimes the lives of their family threatened to take part

[bitter quiver]

Here? Where I live?

lol.

[tired peak]

yes

[whole yew]

So basically you want to be the law. Please don't ever seek public office.

[bitter quiver]

Nay, I follow the law

To the full ability it enables me to be creative I will use it

That said, if I'm never done wrong by someone all I try to do is aid people

It's really simple.

[tired peak]

Like I said, lots of time they are brought to this country on false pretenses, told they will get a job, provided guidance on getting a tourist visa.

[shut hawk]

not as black or white as that

[tired peak]

sometimes its sex work, sometimes its thievery

[bitter quiver]

Every arrest I've seen personally has been home grown criminals.

[wintry sluice]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/04/google-agrees-to-delete-private-browsing-data-to-settle-incognito-mode-lawsuit/

[tired peak]

I'm talking about new trends, things that we have started seeing, its a form of organized crime that includes home breakins

[bitter quiver]

Right but in the end then there is no solution and you just endure an endless cycle?

[sand holly]

hi

[tired peak]

well your solutions aren't really solutions, like sue someone who has no money to try to recoup costs? sure go for it

[shut hawk]

If somebody's grown up having been taught to be a criminal, I'd feel sorry for them and want them to be rehabilitated - rather than go out of my way to make them as miserable as possible

[bitter quiver]

I believe in rehabilitation attempts, once.

[tired peak]

yes, generally crime is a symptom of poverty

[sand holly]

umm so how do i learn the hacking methods?

[tired peak]

#start-here

[bitter quiver]

I've been dirt poor...

[sand holly]

alr

[crude stump]

theres a difference tho. when your a crimminal you choose to follow that life

[bitter quiver]

Eating boiled noodles with salt for flavor daily

[tired peak]

I've been dirt poor too

[bitter quiver]

Crime was never an option

[shut hawk]

sure, if you've been grown up to believe thats the only option

[tired peak]

that doesn't mean that crime is often a result of poverty

[unique marsh]

hi guys my dad was just scammed and installed a malware on his android device is there a way to know if the scammer wasnt using a rootkit or firmware virus after a factory reset?

[tired peak]

empathy goes a long way

[bitter quiver]

Then how do you fix the chances someone grows up getting taught that?

[shut hawk]

rehabilitation?

[bitter quiver]

a lot of folks either can't be rehabilitated, or don't want to be. Entire cultures focus on crimeworldwide

Not like big cultures

I mean social groups/ideologies

Nothing based on race/people. But rather the identity of joining a group

[shut hawk]

I'd rather try then just assume they can't

[bitter quiver]

That's a beautiful gesture

[tired peak]

ok I'm gonna say I apologize for bringing up thievery, we should probably stop this line of discussion

[bitter quiver]

One that works well right now while we have temporary resource abundance

Yeah I'll drop it

It's slightly abbrasive multiple directions

[little sonnet]

Hello, I'm a beginner in cybersecurity with some basic knowledge of networking/Linux/Python programming. Any advice on which paths to start and in what order? Thank you

[crude stump]

idk what he clicked but if he was scammed, what ever he clicked could have been infected too

[gray sonnet]

#general message

[bitter quiver]

^

[unique marsh]

yeah and because the scammer emulated the device on his computer and it showed up on the google find device, my only concern now is if he has access to root and im trying to find that out

[crude stump]

what did the scammer want him to do

what were the steps they took to get your dad to get scammed

[unique marsh]

well my dad downloaded an APK from him and the scammer got access to the whole phone

afterwards he tried removing his tracks by deleting the whatsapp history

[hazy flume]

how can i identify devices on my network? i run many scans , it recognizes all devices in my network, but how do i difrentate between them? between my phone, desktop, mcbook smart tv etc

[shut hawk]

Hostname, MAC address, services running etc

[crude stump]

you can download mobile malwarebytes and see if anything is flag

[hazy flume]

is it possible that my router has some defences that arent letting me to view operating systems and hostnames ?

[shut hawk]

errrr very unlikely? most routers will show you a list of devices connected and the respective hostname, mac and IP

[hazy flume]

i tried really so many types of scans, and also tried to automate it with armitage, it doesnt identify my iphone and mac as ios, no hostnames, just services

[shut hawk]

e.g. this is on mine

What's your router?

[hazy flume]

company?

bezeq

[unique marsh]

okidoki

[shut hawk]

what model?

[hazy flume]

ruckus

but i think its not possible that it is blocking me, yesterday i brute forced my mac with hydra and ssh and logged in so why it didnt stop that

maybe the reason is because im not on the wifi? my desktop connected with cable and rest of the devices are wifi, on the same network

[shut hawk]

if you go to the admin page of the router there should be an option somewhere to view the list of devices?

[hazy flume]

here in israel we dont get that option to manage our routers from security reason, we need to call the company to change wifi password for example

there is no router portal available

[tawny magnet]

that sounds like an ISP provided router, not a customer owned one

they dont let you own your own?

[shut hawk]

ah...that makes it slightly more complicated

no clue then, sorry

[hazy flume]

yes it is , bezeq is the infrastructure and partner provides the internet

[mossy river]

5% of people actually own their routers

(This statistic was brought to you from my brain, it is not accurate)

[hazy flume]

lol

[tawny magnet]

[hazy flume]

i trust your brain

[chilly veldt]

You actually rent the router if you use the one given from your ISP

[tawny magnet]

Im aware

[chilly veldt]

Even if you pay for it you have to give it back when you stop

[hazy flume]

we have experiences in israel too many cyber attacks and this was changed few years ago now all routers are being managed

[shut hawk]

it seems they let you use an app to manage it?

[hazy flume]

no, phone number, for everything you need

[wintry sluice]

if you don't actually own the router (ie company owns it), even if they give it to you to use for internet, you probably shouldn't be trying to hack into it

[shut hawk]

they're not trying to hack it

[hazy flume]

its my private house ,i pay for the internet, i own the router and they just manage it

i asked when they installed it

im gonna call them and tell them i need it for my cyber security learning and see what they say

[keen light]

How does one report a bug on a room?

[narrow pewter]

#room-bugs

[keen light]

ty!

[wispy estuary]

guys does anyone from where I can get the software apilogger.exe

[sick lance]

Depends, what context is it?

I knew of an apilogger.exe that came with an earlier build of Microsoft server.

[wispy estuary]

microsoft lync server 2013?

[sick lance]

I know it from 2010.

[wispy estuary]

https://medium.com/@kumarishefu.4507/try-hack-me-basic-dynamic-analysis-write-up-f73c0e90d3d1

its being used here, task4.

[sick lance]

It's already on the machine.

[subtle dove]

Hey there. Is the premium subscription worth it? Or should I just stick to the free path blog to gain a foundation?

[mossy river]

Try free out first 🙂

[wispy estuary]

i have to use it on flare vm for my uni assignment. Is there way i can download the software

[sick lance]

FlareVM offer it as a download.

[mossy river]

It’s better that you first understand the service so that you can maximise the use of your subscription when you subscribe 😎

[wispy estuary]

no its only apimonitor on there

[shut hawk]

Can you not just transfer the binary to your machine?

From the deployed VM?

[sick lance]

Then it's no longer offered by FlareVM.

[sick lance]

The machine should be sandboxed, as it's malware...

[shut hawk]

I'll check

[sick lance]

Nah, you can get the binary off the machine.

I'm surprised about...

[shut hawk]

Thought so...

[tawny magnet]

well thats not good

[sick lance]

Only if you don't know what you're doing.

[shut hawk]

Better safe than sorry, eh

[tawny magnet]

or willing to do more harm than good

[sick lance]

All hail updog.

[tawny magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/updog-whats-up-dog-colin-robinson-wwdits-any-updog-gif-21602370

[keen quail]

how k-linux crack wifi pass?

[tawny magnet]

https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php

[sick lance]

Why do you want to know?

[hazy flume]

you need NIC on monitor mode

whats the general idea for being at the same network with the target?

why is that?

[normal fable]

That you need to be on the same network as the target?

Not necessarily true..

[hazy flume]

thats why im asking

i logged in to my macbooc from my desktop using ssh, but if my macbooc wasnt on my wifi, i could log in to it as well if i had its ip, so whats the idea of being at the same network?

[normal fable]

In that case, you need a way to route traffic to the target.

SSH won't allow you to connect to a 10. network if you're on a 192.168 network without rouiting.

[hazy flume]

interesting

chat gpt didnt mention that

[outer rivet]

A lot people saying I should skip network + should I

[tawny magnet]

yea, go for ccna

[vapid mica]

i am stuck on a beginners lab can anyone help me

[normal fable]

router on a stick. 🙂

[wispy estuary]

how do i go about it? Sorry but im pretty new to tryhackme

[outer rivet]

I am thinking to do security + first then real life security certs

I got some classes next year for CCNa

[normal fable]

Sec+ is a real life security certification by CompTIA.

[vapid mica]

there isnt any walkthrough

[outer rivet]

Wait I mean not multiple choice like OSCP

[normal fable]

OSCP is a different beast..

[outer rivet]

For real

[normal fable]

Have fun in the lab environment. 😄

[outer rivet]

[outer rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-talosian-star-trem-star-trek-big-head-gif-12496470

You see my mind

I will be alright

[normal fable]

Yes. Go for it. OSCP is way different than Sec+ material wise.. Sec+ teaches a lot of concepts of security whereas OSCP is more practical pentesting knowledge.

Get your Sec+, get a job, have employer pay for OSCP. 🙂

[steep mural]

Do you get room help here outside of try hackme?

[normal fable]

#room-help 🙂

[steep mural]

But that room is not in try hack me

[outer rivet]

I was thinking 🤔 to do CPTS first

[normal fable]

Oh. For non-tryhackme content?

[steep mural]

Yup that room has no walk through or origin

[normal fable]

I don't think that's okay with the rules.. but I'll let a mod answer.

[steep mural]

I found it in a Google form it's a 3 gb lab and I am stuck after decoding a Cypher

[sick lance]

@mossy river

When it comes to malware rooms, are we allowed to take stuff from it?

[shut hawk]

TryHackMe didn't make apimonitor tho

[brisk tree]

Hey

[mossy river]

We don’t suggest you take the malware out of the lab machines for safety and security

[sick lance]

No, but there is no official download for it either.

[sick lance]

Nah, it's an exe.

[shut hawk]

Scrubz is talking about the microsoft apimonitor tool

[sick lance]

Thanks Jay, I cam answer for myself

[shut hawk]

Just adding the binary name for clarification :)

[hidden hazel]

Cpts is good its reading heavy tho and definately challenging ive heard many people say its harder than oscp

[mossy river]

If the room provides a lab machine and tells you to use it, you should use it to complete the room.

The lab machine is prepared by our experts to ensure that you are using the right tools, dependencies and so that you do not need to set anything up.

If you use your own machine and are unable to complete the task, we would recommend that you use the lab machine 🙂

[sick lance]

Just making sure, as they're doing a Uni assignment and need the binary, I know we can't help with the work, but it's more of a general toolage question

[shut hawk]

http://www.rohitab.com/apimonitor
Here you go @wispy estuary

https://www.ired.team/offensive-security/code-injection-process-injection/api-monitoring-and-hooking-for-offensive-tooling
And on how to use it

[mossy river]

If someone does take a binary of a machine and it causes harm to their machine, TryHackMe is not responsible.

We do our best to ensure that everything is contained to our hardware and part of that is making sure that users use the labs available ;))

[sand trench]

yeah..... got a mention to not teach users how to take the binaries of machines

[mossy river]

We will find out if I am ego lifting or not after this set

[sand trench]

???

[sick lance]

He's at the gym.

[mossy river]

I don’t remember what weights I lift for this workout.

Last week I went light because the week before I had a rest week.

Either this is going to go really well or I’m going to have to drop

Drop physically and drop weight

[sand trench]

oh

thought it was in relation to the previous conversation about not taking binaries off the target machines on tryhackme

[mossy river]

Nono ahah

[sand trench]

well muscles weigh more then fat so for some people that are decently lean already will go up in weight while going to the gym

[mossy river]

Okay not ego lifting but that wasn’t exactly easy either

The weight felt light but because of going heavy on my first workout my arms were wobbling lol

[pine stratus]

Calisthenics >>>>

[normal fable]

Speaking of.. I think I'm actually gaining weight.. lol

[wintry sluice]

sometimes gaining weight is healthy

[normal fable]

Yeah. Eating at least twice a day is good too. 🙂

[outer rivet]

2X harder something

If you finish CPTS don’t need worry about OSCP material

[normal fable]

I personally found the OSCP material good. I'd go through it just to see what may have been left out of other courses/material.

[outer rivet]

You got OSCP ?

[normal fable]

No. I never took the exam.

[outer rivet]

Oh which one you got ?

[normal fable]

Life happened.. lol

I only hold the A+ currently.

[outer rivet]

Oh ok

[outer rivet]

Is it recommend to have CompTIA a + ?

I was thinking to get security + then CPTS OSCP and CCNa

[normal fable]

I just like to learn. Haven't taken the Sec+ but studied for it. OSCP, studied but did not take. CCNA, missed by just a couple points. Formerly held CCENT.

[outer rivet]

Is CCNa was hard ?

[normal fable]

If you go networking then look at CCNA Sec

[hollow pivot]

Learn the A+ course content if you don't know it, but I'd suggest skipping on the cert, unless it's a requirement.

[normal fable]

If you know the material it's not too hard. It's just Cisco stuff.

[outer rivet]

Yeah I purchased the network + udemy course I might just finish the whole thing

[hollow pivot]

If you can pass the sec+, I doubt a recruiter will ask for the A+

[outer ruin]

bsod without admin privileges

[normal fable]

Lots of trickery in the CCNA questions iirc.

Sec+ assumes you already know A+ and Net+ from what I understand.

[hollow pivot]

Yup pretty much, although I think Net+ covers a lot more networking stuff, so the course material would still be v useful

[normal fable]

I'd study up on all related certs tbh. Just to get a good feel for what you may need to know.

[outer rivet]

For example if I finish udemy network + course can I add in resume

[tropic zenith]

He made his choice. Now he must suffer the conseqences.

[outer rivet]

I purchased like 15 mini courses from e council don’t why 😭😭😭

[hollow pivot]

Maybe not on your CV, but I'd add it on Linkedin. And you can def talk about it during an interview.

[outer rivet]

Make sense

[normal fable]

Just don't talk about how you run Arch.. btw... lol

[hollow pivot]

Kind of like with TryHackMe, better to show it as "something I do in my spare time to show interest in cyber", rather than putting all of your certs of completion on your CV and saying your are top 1%

[normal fable]

Will anyone ever outrank 0day? lol

[mossy river]

Is it possible? Yes

As for if someone dares to do it, we will see 😄

[normal fable]

I didn't ask if it was possible. 🤣

Probability I think is low.. could happen.. but likely not. lol

[mossy river]

Welcome back to am I ego lifting where we attempt to do a workout with a weight I haven’t tried yet

[tropic stratus]

I laughed way too hard at the errorcode oddeaddead

double dead, deader then dead

[outer ruin]

0xDEADDEAD 👍

[tawny magnet]

0xDEADBEEF

[normal fable]

moo?

[arctic drift]

I'll message him and tell him to slow down 😂

[tawny magnet]

he is unstoppable

[normal fable]

I don't know if he can.. lol

[arctic drift]

I don't think so either, but it'll give him a good laugh

[sick lance]

Oh Discord update, let's see what random thing breaks today!

[wintry sluice]

I don't know when he gets time to do all these rooms.
always appears to be idle.

thank god, lootboxes no longer in mah settings

[normal fable]

oh my goodness.. my domain's estimated value is $672... yay. lol

[mossy river]

I’ll give you £5 and a half eaten krispy kreme

[normal fable]

If you make it a 3/4 eaten krispy kreme and a couple of bubble gum wrappers.. we might have a deal. 🤣

[mossy river]

You just want the wrappers?

Deal

No take backsies

[normal fable]

Okay. Transaction must be completed in person. 😛

[sick lance]

That wasn't part of the deal.

🙂

[sand trench]

https://gitlab.com/CalyxOS/calyxos/-/issues/2158#note_1837292053

Welp

[wintry sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-alter-the-deal-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-gif-15971205

[mossy river]

Worst part about working out alone is I have no idea what set I’m on

[floral wing]

Go till failure

[mossy river]

I should have written it down aaaa

[normal fable]

I use an app to track those things..

[mossy river]

It’s strength training

Hypertrophy

[floral wing]

Ohh

[normal fable]

JEFIT is what I used to use. It seemed to work well.

[coarse moth]

Hi everyone,does anyone know how I can maximize the freerdp tab within attachbox?

[normal fable]

I think it's still free. lol

[mossy river]

I’ll do two more sets, I think I’m on three rn

[shut hawk]

omg my coursework finally runs without errors

[sand trench]

GG

[shut hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-jesus-dear-lord-will-gif-23054569

been driving me nuts

never going into game dev

[sand trench]

well if you quit at any small setback yeah you willl not get far

[mossy river]

People at Uni sometimes submit broken code hoping the lecturer won’t notice LMAO

[wintry sluice]

patience in all things

[shut hawk]

Was genuinely considering this and trying to pass it of as a "feature"

[rapid merlin]

now do it again but without VM /j don't

[sick lance]

Let's not.

[timber galleon]

I'm getting post-subscription blues now that my giveaway one ended

[rapid merlin]

I was there once I only quitted game dev just because its way to expensive

[mossy river]

That’s what I did

[outer rivet]

Why delet ?

[sick lance]

Let's keep gifs appropriate.

[outer rivet]

Ok

[shut hawk]

ez hack

[shut hawk]

I just found it so difficult to debug why things weren't working

[arctic hollow]

luckily, examtopics exists, i would'nt have passed with all the bs they have there

[shut hawk]

Right now it's time to document this monstrosity...

Kinda gone to pot lmao

[wintry sluice]

but that's the best bit!
really scratches that puzzle itch

[rapid merlin]

actually game dev is the one who brought me to programming and then cyber security

[mossy river]

Guess who pulled their shoulder 🥲

[wintry sluice]

the ego lifter?

[chilly veldt]

smh smh

[shut hawk]

the right area!

huge respect to game devs tho

[rapid merlin]

they def need the whole bank for em self

for the work they do

[mossy river]

Fortunately, I wasn’t actually ego lifting, all the weights I chose were pretty good, maybe even light

But this is assisted dips and I hate the machine because it feels unnatural

[shut hawk]

for a while

[mossy river]

In lowering myself down, I pushed my shoulder in so lifting myself up wasn’t using my triceps and putting the pressure more on my shoulders

[tropic stratus]

Is it possible in the future cybersecurity will be ran by AI?

[mossy river]

No

AI isn’t real

[tropic stratus]

Lol.

[mossy river]

I’m not joking lol

https://youtu.be/EUrOxh_0leE?si=dG__9KgHQEc55nsw

[normal fable]

Technically correct. AI does not yet exist.

[gray sonnet]

how'd you become a clown

[devout palm]

Should AI have consciousness?

[scenic bobcat]

always was

[gray sonnet]

absolutely not...

[rapid merlin]

no

[devout palm]

I mean, by the definition

[gray sonnet]

now you're a clown

[mossy river]

It likely won’t

[wintry sluice]

that's step 2.
step 1 is proving it exists in humans

[warm jungle]

only if it promises to be polite

[rapid merlin]

it would become useless rebel and stuff

[gray sonnet]

I'm assuming you guys got all the 9 thingies in the loot boxes?

[tropic stratus]

If you want the real answer, if you open all the discord lootboxes and get all 9 prizes you get it as a profile decoration

[normal fable]

There is a possibility.. But I hope it doesn't in my time.

[gray sonnet]

yeahhh, no thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @tropic stratus (current: #1018 - 3)

[tropic stratus]

Lol

[gray sonnet]

.......

[devout palm]

I saw AI before ChatGPT came out

And it wasn't that interesting lol

[gray sonnet]

Hey Heap 👋

long time

[devout palm]

Hai

Sup

[gray sonnet]

how've you been?

[devout palm]

Been good

[crude stump]

Heck no. Once you play watch dog legions sky Larsen mission you won’t ever want it to be

[devout palm]

Wbu?

[gray sonnet]

been good too

[wintry sluice]

I think its inevitable, if a long way off.

[devout palm]

So what are you up to?

[grizzled crystal]

I LOVE THIS VIDEO 🔥 🔥

[gray sonnet]

finished junior college, managed to get into a uni's cyber program

[grizzled crystal]

i remember sending it like 3 times a week or two ago lmao

[devout palm]

I joined a lot of CTFs. Now when i see a CTFd theme, i vomit

[gray sonnet]

got rejected from their compsci program though...my math score wasn't good enough for that apparently lol

[gray sonnet]

lmaoo

[mossy river]

I know ahah! I watched it when you sent it ;)

[grizzled crystal]

Excellent taste

[devout palm]

Neat

[gray sonnet]

aye

[chilly veldt]

I bought new suit

[devout palm]

I got into my Uni's cyber club but my teammates literally don't know anything about it

And there's a CTF across universities in my country

[rapid merlin]

well

good luck 😬

[devout palm]

I guess imma carry the team

myself

[hollow pivot]

And use the opportunity to teach them?

[devout palm]

Yes, before the CTF. We do tryhackme

I show them what to do, they do a research and learn

[dire holly]

is Active Directory included in CTF

[rapid merlin]

it can be yea

[devout palm]

I guess not

It's not that advanced

[rapid merlin]

oh nvm then

[devout palm]

It's like OSINT challenges yk

Maybe web and RE (i doubt) too

[rapid merlin]

is it a ctf for freshers or something?

[devout palm]

Maybe

People in uni don't have that level of knowledge

[rapid merlin]

fair enough i guess

[tropic stratus]

TIL what active directory is

I thought like, when you're using command prompt, whatever folder you're currently in is the "Active directory" lol

[devout palm]

Lol no

It's a nice thing to know especially for pentesting

[wintry sluice]

I believe the technical term is "working directory", hence pwd

[tropic stratus]

Probably

I don't like when terms are confusingly worded like that

I remember being both confused and extremely amused that touch creates a file in Linux

or to read/access a file, cat

[tawny magnet]

then you have the cloud based AD

azure AD

[tropic stratus]

Sleep deprivation hitting me, for a minute I thought you said "Clown based AD"

[tawny magnet]

well im sure thats a thing somewhere

[tropic stratus]

lol

[plush mesa]

ConCAtinate

oopsie

Little mess up but you get the gist

[tropic stratus]

I've never heard that word before outside of "What cat in Linux stands for" lol

[sand trench]

BOOOO do not use cat.... use shell built in echo

[oak river]

Well, good luck

[sand trench]

echo "$(<file.txt)"

[oak river]

But I mean, what can go wrong?

Except having to re-isntall the OS in worst case scenario

[plush mesa]

concatinate is similiar to appending vocabulary wise

[oak river]

Which is still a pretty good worst case scenario

[plush mesa]

Yeah

[oak river]

As long as your hardware is not touched

[tropic stratus]

but you're not really linking things together, you're just reading it, like if you cat a txt document, etc

[wintry sluice]

I've heard it in programming wrt to strings

[tropic stratus]

I'm curious who came up with those commands, it predates Linux, right? It's a UNIX thing?

[wintry sluice]

sure you are.you're concatenating it with nothing

[sand trench]

echo "$(<file.txt)"
the best way to read files

[tropic stratus]

in my case I right click it and open it in Mousepad lol

[sand trench]

can still be used if someone nukes the cat binary in koth

[rapid merlin]

cat file.txt
XD

[wintry sluice]

/does it have autocomplete though

[tropic stratus]

In fact that's another thing, they don't even call it notepad, but mousepad lol

[sand trench]

you mean tab complete??? yes

[plush mesa]

Too much finger gymnastics for me

less is superior anyways most of the time ;)

[shell nova]

guess we gotta nuke echo as well

[sand trench]

nuke shell built ins??? uh oh

[shell nova]

can probably redefine the function tbh

[tropic stratus]

Pretty sure you're not allowed to delete binaries or touch them in KOTH besides chattr or whatever

[mossy river]

@boreal scarab Mind if I DM?

[loud marlin]

just do it 🙂

[wintry sluice]

can you change path variables?

[tropic stratus]

I don't know. I don't do KOTH yet and I'll have to re-read the rules again

I know like you can't just delete all binaries or kill services willy willy, etc

(But installing a rootkit is fine lol)

[wintry sluice]

create dummy commands in /tmp that all echo "you don't have permissions to do that"
change path to look in /tmp before anything 😈

[tropic stratus]

Can other players see the desktop background of the box?

or is that only on windows machines if they use Remote Desktop

I thought it would be funny to, after getting ROOT, on the box change the background to that "you've been GNOMED!" gnome, but with the text "You've been pwned!" or something.

[wintry sluice]

no, set background to pink.
icons to pink.
text to pink.
taskbar to pink

[tropic stratus]

lol

[lone thistle]

probably runs the booking in system for The Clown Motel (yes that's a real place) https://www.theclownmotelusa.com/

[wintry sluice]

I don't understand fear of clowns.
clowns are just weird.

[lone thistle]

i used to be terrified of them as a kid

[plush mesa]

Ive slept there before in that motel

pretty run down

overpriced

[lone thistle]

wouldn't surprise me

[wintry sluice]

probably part of the aesthetic

[lone thistle]

I only know of it's existence via longmont potion castle (IYKYK)

[mossy river]

Yooo that’s me on the signnn

[wintry sluice]

well maintained motel probably takes away something from the fear factor

[shut hawk]

you all seen the new rollercoaster concept at thorpe park?

[naive violet]

Most won't have a gui

[shut hawk]

https://www.thorpepark.com/hyperia/
planned to be tallest and fastest in UK

[mossy river]

Brazilian Phonk really changes a man 😔 walking around the gym with my 2.5kg weights acting like I was unstoppable

[wintry sluice]

nothing will ever beat tidal wave imho

[outer rivet]

Y’all try game called pc building simulator

It’s pretty good

[crude stump]

And where did that get you

[mossy river]

It got me an ego boost

[lone thistle]

yeah. quite enjoyed it tbh

[outer rivet]

For real better then I expect it

[wintry sluice]

it got you a pulled shoulder

[mossy river]

I want to try it in VR

[outer rivet]

Do they have it ?

[mossy river]

My shoulder is fine now

[shut hawk]

never seen something like that where its just one going back and forth

[silver sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dududu-walk-dance-creepy-dance-gif-17741740

[near hawk]

Brazillian Phonk is amazing

[mossy river]

It’s reputation sucks tho lol

[crude stump]

I don’t like phone

Phonk

Too repetitive

[normal fable]

Just listened to a short clip. Sounds like old techno/electronica..

folk punk.. now there's something to get behind. 😁

[boreal scarab]

Playing a childhood game...

[normal fable]

oof.. rust only has bronze rating in protondb.. 😦

"runs but often crashes or has issues preventing from playing comfortably"
Oh.. so.. Just like on Windows. 🤣

[dreamy river]

Hello

[chilly veldt]

it's not that secret if you talk about it

[mossy river]

Please don't self promote here as per the rules 🙂

[dreamy river]

oh, shit, alr I'll stop

[mossy river]

Homie come on....

[dreamy river]

little question

is crosh like actually a decent coding thing or is it ass

This also goes for linux

[plush mesa]

isnt that just some bullshit shell

Why not just use a regular one

maybe im too much of a google hater to get the point

[dreamy river]

I mean, only got a crome book

can't really use anything else

[chilly veldt]

I fixed my issue
now my room works

[plush mesa]

lol

why ask then

[dreamy river]

Idk

[plush mesa]

proof of a great device/OS if it locks you into their environment

[plush mesa]

if you can install a linux distro on it (im not sure if chrome books got an open boot loader) id do it. Not sure if thaz was the question

or even windows

Id rather have a windows install than chromeos

[clear jackal]

Is it a device owned wholly by you?

Or is it a school device

[chilly veldt]

Denmark is actually having a big case happening about Chromebooks at school 😄

[wintry sluice]

eli5?

[chilly veldt]

school roll out chromebook country wide, government found issues with chromebook, now big case happening

[boreal scarab]

@sand trench you never told me you used to play Pajama Sam

[sand trench]

...

[normal fable]

Data privacy?

[chilly veldt]

https://theprivacydad.com/final-decision-on-chromebook-case-in-denmark/

[sand trench]

oh right

[blazing granite]

Indeed, I used chrome os once, it was the first time I felt claustrophobic using an os, I thought I was trapped in a chrome browser 😂

[clear jackal]

Yes

[sand trench]

someone found shadows steam account and is friended to see shadows games list

[wintry sluice]

ah, user privacy

[boreal scarab]

[chilly veldt]

ye

[sand trench]

actually have not played pajama sam... got it in a bundle on humble bundle... mostly got it for freddy fish and the lost seaweed seeds... as shadow played that a lot as a kid

[wintry sluice]

not hard to find (looks at profile)

[clear jackal]

@dreamy river

[boreal scarab]

What about Spy Fox?

[sand trench]

true true

[wintry sluice]

ooo, blackholes

[sand trench]

no kid memories of that either

[buoyant tree]

Shadow, when do we get some cookies?

[boreal scarab]

Putt Putt?

(I didn't play putt putt as a kid)

[sand trench]

[wintry sluice]

have you pledged eternal fealty to the Empty?

[sand trench]

just a reminders most of these games were rare and hard to get in shadows small town in sweden

had luck in even getting freddy fish from the library on cd rom for a few weeks here and there

[boreal scarab]

Ahh

[buoyant tree]

No sir, I have not due to concern of turning into nothing

[boreal scarab]

Humongous Entertainment was the best though

[buoyant tree]

if there is a insurance package, I may pledge my fealty

[boreal scarab]

https://youtube.com/shorts/s2lS9GCUCWQ?si=1kkm2n5sZZbquvJL

GET OUT OF MY RECCOMENDED RYAN!

[shut hawk]

not me writing this on a wireless kb 😳

[boreal scarab]

You're going to get haxored by an 3l1t3 haxor!

[sand trench]

as far as shadow knows most keychrons are not wireless keyboards

[boreal scarab]

All wired here, I hate wireless

[rapid merlin]

a

[sand trench]

the only wireless component for shadow is wifi

if we disregard that most usb storage sticks are wireless

[naive violet]

Wat

[boreal scarab]

❓

[naive violet]

Shadow, you good?

[sand trench]

nothing nothing

[boreal scarab]

I think Shadow needs a restart

[sand trench]

just have weird usb sticks

[scenic bobcat]

Wired here too but not by choice i hate cables its so messy

[boreal scarab]

That.... that's called Bluetooth

[boreal scarab]

Yah, but no need for batteries, or stupid designed mice to charge

I'm looking at you, Apple

"Here, we gave you this problem, want to fix that problem? $30"

Jabba, you can not defend Apple here, no way.

[scenic bobcat]

my mouse is actually wireless

kb and headset and mic arent tho 😅

[mossy river]

I think it's pretty bad that I didn't even know that Samsung made mice

Had to Google it before I insulted Samsung

[worn thorn]

the good old bottom charging mouse from apple

think differently

[boreal scarab]

Whose bright idea was it to be "Hey, we have this wireless mouse, and we should put the charging port on the bottom, so NO ONE can use it while it's charging" GENIUS

[mossy river]

Funnily enough, you brought up Apple unprompted to aid your argument in Wired vs Wireless.
Apple are living in your head rent free, that's a form of advertising all companies want.

[worn thorn]

cut some slots into your table and use it like a dpad

[boreal scarab]

But if it's bad image of them, then it's not the advertisement they want

[mossy river]

Even negative press is still press...

[shut hawk]

to be fair this is quite funny as in stupid

[mossy river]

There are a lot of things I have seen on the internet that people are hating on and decided to buy it because I don't necessarily think it's bad.

[boreal scarab]

This still isnt usable as a mouse....

[mossy river]

Haters gonna hate, I have a charging dock

[sand trench]

LINUX ALL THE WAY

[naive violet]

Apple make a discrete touchpad for you, that's neat

[boreal scarab]

Yah? I have a mouse that I don't need to wait for it to charge to work

[naive violet]

And their type c headphone dongle is ine of the best on the market. Especially at the price point

[chilly veldt]

I really love the touchpad

[sand trench]

even though nearly all of linux was compromised with this xz shenanigance

[naive violet]

Logitech do also, but yeah

[boreal scarab]

Not all, not Debian unless on experimental branches

[sand trench]

touchpads are not for shadow

[mossy river]

Good for you, wireless mouses don't fit your use case.
As someone who has a PC quite far away from my desk and competitively games, wireless mice are a life saver.

[sand trench]

they feel clunky and wierd

[wintry sluice]

this could actually be useful. if only if were something that clipped on the bottom, was significantly slimmer and had a hole for the laser

[naive violet]

What do you do about a screen for distance?

[boreal scarab]

Rechargeable batteries are a thing 🤔

[sand trench]

for weird sentences shadow can type today:

shadows keyring is charging right now meaning shadow can't use their keys

[plush mesa]

The reasoning is so that people don't use their mice plugged in so there's only pictures of the "clean looking" mouse online as they dont want it plugged in

[naive violet]

Rofl

[boreal scarab]

EXACTLY

[sand trench]

well if the dude that noticed did not notice it it would have made it to stable and all of debian based and rpm based lands

[boreal scarab]

God I hate apple

[boreal scarab]

Oooh 100%

[agile flicker]

Can I ask smth

[chilly veldt]

sure

[worn thorn]

go ahead

[naive violet]

I don't like the majority of their products but you have to give credit where appropriate

[wintry sluice]

ask not about asking. just ask

[agile flicker]

Was I ripped off for a pc of $2k and I got a i5 12th gen and a rtx 3060

[plush mesa]

lol

[agile flicker]

Like im seeing all these pcs for that price that is WAY better

[plush mesa]

Yea

[agile flicker]

Bro

Your telling me

[mossy river]

Wireless mice usually have a super long battery life. For example, my mouse has 100 hours of battery.
It means that

A: I don't need to charge it constantly, so forgetting once it twice is okay
B: When I'm not using my mouse I can put it on the dock and it will charge. The dock is magnetic so there's no fiddling, I just drop it onto the dock and walk away
C: My mouse takes a couple of hours to charge to full so even if my mouse does die, I can leave it on the dock for the duration of a short walk around my house to give myself a break and it'll be charged enough for an entire session

And a bonus D is my mouse has an accessible microusb port which means I can make it wired if I really need my mouse, I am not including this in my list however because it doesn't apply to the argument of having a silly non-accessible port, even though most mice are designed this way

[agile flicker]

I wasted 3 years

Of my life

[worn thorn]

if it was prebuild you never know where they bought the pieces and at what price.

[chilly veldt]

you live and learn

[mossy river]

I don't know what this means

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-everything-all-of-this-look-around-gif-19251113

[agile flicker]

Should I get a custom one next time

[plush mesa]

? Maybe you shouldve spent half an hour of that googling the prices of the components ;)

[wintry sluice]

lithium ion, ofc

[worn thorn]

it's fun to build your own pc and you might even get away cheaper

[naive violet]

Pure hate is just the same as fanboying though

[agile flicker]

My dad pressured me with my own money

[sand trench]

well guess those mice will soon be obsulete when the EU ruling for only usb C charging gets through.... but yeah wireless is not that bad anymore

[agile flicker]

He took me out to buy it at some random place

[sand trench]

shadow just prefers wired as it works for shadows usecase

[mossy river]

No, I don't understand what rechargeable batteries adds to their side of the debate being "wired mouse are better"

[agile flicker]

And when I told him smth else he didnt like that…

EVEN THO IT WAS MY MONEY

[plush mesa]

pcpartpicker.com can be useful for calculating the cost of the actual hardware

[boreal scarab]

Samsung has done some stupid shit, S7... and adding AI to s24

[agile flicker]

Thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @plush mesa (current: #241 - 21)

[wintry sluice]

"hate is just love with its back turned"

[boreal scarab]

We don't need AI added to EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING.... FFS

[naive violet]

Samsung isn't relevant here though

[sand trench]

heard a few claims that wired has less latency then wireless... but shadow plays at a level where that would probably not matter for shadow

[agile flicker]

Ig ima save up for another 3 and a half years

[mossy river]

I'm not in the EU lol and having a USB-C cable won't really change the mouse at all..? It's not like they will stop functioning as soon as the policy is made 🤣
I would prefer a USB-C Charging port on this mouse but unfortunately it doesnt come as an option

[naive violet]

Audio latency is pain even for video playback. I can't deal with TV or movies via my Bluetooth

[rapid merlin]

Agreed, i love the iPhone but hate the Mac

[agile flicker]

I got it about 1 year ago, how much do yall think I would be able to sell it for?

On facebook marketplace to clueless people

[plush mesa]

Youre right you gotta give apple credit however they havent done anything really innovative within the last year

[sand trench]

oh... yeah audio latency is one of the few places shadow can notice it... shadow more meant on keyboard and mouse input....

[mossy river]

Fortunately, non-bluetooth wireless mouse it isn't noticable but I did notice that using my DS4 controller for Rocket League is much more noticable wireless

[wintry sluice]

I'm pretty easy. if it has a pointer and when it moves the pointer moves, its good.
if it has the fwd/back buttons on the side, even better

[rapid merlin]

True, but what innovative did the other smartphone-makers

[plush mesa]

Google is your friend just look for the parts and their prices

[shut hawk]

i don't notice any latency delay when using my wireless headphones

not bluetooth though

[plush mesa]

An unlocked bootloader would be a good start

[naive violet]

I need to sort a Bluetooth adapter... I have one but it doesn't re-pair to my controller properly

[viscid tinsel]

Hey I'm looking at pivoting my career into the cybersecurity space. I currently work as a Technology Engineer at a fortune 100 company..I work in the email space and ms exchange..

I don't have any certs in the security space.. Would there be any that's recommended? Particularly is the US?

[rapid merlin]

But it is a choice from apple they dont unlock it

[naive violet]

Analog RF won't have delay beyond speed of light etc
Encoding/decoding will add delay

[boreal scarab]

Why add a charging port to the bottom of a wireless mice? Why not stick with what they had which was removable batteries. Use rechargeable batteries, that way you always have a pair charged, while another pair is being used?

Say you need to cram an assignment that's due that day, but oh, your wireless Apple magic mouse dies, welp, gotta wait for it to charge and not be usable for a couple of hours. Better know your keyboard shortcuts.

[agile flicker]

Alright, hopefully I can feness a mom or dad🤷🏼‍♂️

[naive violet]

Ooooold news

[agile flicker]

For a reasonable price ofc

[plush mesa]

Yeah but its anti consumer. Obviously it was a choice from facebook to collect data too it doesnt justify it

[boreal scarab]

It takes time to type

[mossy river]

Say you need to cram an assignment that's due that day
So a company should suffer because you can't time manage? lol

[agile flicker]

Well yeah

[bold dawn]

I don't understand why that is an excuse for a bad design

[boreal scarab]

Nah, suffer because you bought a Magic Mouse with a charger at the bottom

[bold dawn]

it renders it unusable

[rapid merlin]

I like the comparison, but whats the point in buying an iphone when you dont want ios?

[naive violet]

You tried the touchpad on the magic mouse?

[plush mesa]

You cant sideload either you can basically do.nothing. think about it its completely normal on computers whys there an entire different mentality with phones?

[rapid merlin]

Wow last time i saw you is a long time ago

[mossy river]

If you aren't charging your mouse for months, that's on you @boreal scarab

[agile flicker]

Real

[boreal scarab]

looks at wired mouse A yup

[mossy river]

See, you don't have any valid input 🤣

[agile flicker]

I have developed a hatred for wired headphones

[buoyant tree]

eh my gaming mice lasts about a week with it being kept on highest response rate, charging a week isn't a big deal for the convenience of not having a wire wrapped around you

[wintry sluice]

gated community mentality.
has its pros, has its cons

[plush mesa]

Its not always a black and white. Think about linux if you dont like one distro you can swap to another yet it still is linux. You cant patch or modify your own device. You buy a device which you dont own.

[rapid merlin]

Good question, but i think were used to it. I think we can agree a phone is "safer" than a Windows/linux computer right now

[agile flicker]

Never making that mistake again

[boreal scarab]

Only apple I have is an IMac from like 2010, thing has been collecting dust for years, don't think that has a TouchPad

[mossy river]

How is an iMac a magic mouse?

[rapid merlin]

Yeah im not gonna defend apple

ur right

[plush mesa]

What are the pros? Noone forces you to sideload. If you dont want it dont use it. Its clearly just about apple profits

[boreal scarab]

BUT THE DESIGN. It's so bad

[agile flicker]

You still buy it🤷🏼‍♂️

[boreal scarab]

This was the mouse for the IMac, removeable batteries.

[agile flicker]

Aight anyway, yall ima go eep

[plush mesa]

It really isnt. The difference is that on desktops the threat is more from third parties with malware while a phone has the entire spyware and telemtry already built into it.

[agile flicker]

Cya

[rapid merlin]

Yeah but thats indeed a problem

The apps that can track too much

[mossy river]

Nobody is forcing you to buy it.
People that have bought the mouse clearly wanted it.

Do you have any use case for a magic mouse? Do you own an Apple device?
No? Then stop bringing Apple into every single quarrel you have to win a pointless argument that you seem to lose by dragging Apple in

[worn thorn]

cya

[naive violet]

Irrational hatred is sad in the end

[mossy river]

Are they referred to as magic mice? I don't see anything on the internet calling them magic mice, I'm genuinely asking not trying to trick you or anything

[plush mesa]

Theres loads of reports on Phones being spied on more. Yet its the norm noeadays and literally NO standard phone company does a good job at this. Stock android devices are also shit and an iphone is probably more privacy friendly stock. However with say a google pixel you atleast got the choice to install grapheneos on it, even if youre supporting a shitty company buying the phone

[mossy river]

Source on the first sentence?

[plush mesa]

let me google this for you

[rapid merlin]

Jared's on fire

[mossy river]

I will be really upset if this isn't coming from a verified source.

[plush mesa]

"Verified source" yeah let me pull up the article on apple talking about their shitty privacy antics

/s

[mossy river]

I'm waiting..

[sand trench]

phone privacy is a very messy bundle of wires

[boreal scarab]

That I don't know if it was Magic Mouse or not, that mouse was probably the design they used FOR the magic mouse, but went from batteries to charger

[mossy river]

And by verified source I meant it can't be some obscure blog article that is riddled with advertisements and makes statements without actually proving it 😄

[sand trench]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/android-sends-20x-more-data-to-google-than-ios-sends-to-apple-study-says/

this kinda proves the opositte but here is a source

[boreal scarab]

Want Librem 5 for kill switches rather then Pine64? $2k for phone specs from 10 years ago.

[sand trench]

not sure if the librem 5 is a good deal as there seems to be massive delays in their shipping schedule matt

[rapid merlin]

And i suggest to read this page: https://www.apple.com/privacy/control/

[naive violet]

Yea
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MK2E3Z/A/magic-mouse-white-multi-touch-surface

[boreal scarab]

Yah, but when you search "privacy phone" librem 5 is the top. But 3gb ram, 32 GB storage, and 720x1440... for $2k

[naive violet]

Fairphone 5 with custom rom

[sand trench]

that is what shadow is running

[boreal scarab]

Dunno if they ship to US

[worn thorn]

fairphone is great. Sadly I didn't know they existed back when I used Samsung made phones...

[sand trench]

oh yeah fairphone in the us is near nonexistatnt

[rapid merlin]

You know something fun? Fairphone is a Dutch brand!

[sand trench]

though they have a deal with munrea to sell fairphones in the usa

but you are limited in supported phone carriers with that

[boreal scarab]

Yah, Fairphone (their site) can't ship to US

Best I know of is Google Pixel with Graphene OS, and Pine64's phone with the kill switches

[blazing granite]

that's fair

fairphone 😂

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rimshot-pun-joke-ba-dum-tss-drum-gif-15808941

[mossy river]

I saw this, but my problem with that is that it's got the multi-touch sufrace and is fully rechargeable, whereas the one Matt has is battery powered and not listed as multi-touch which is why I wasn't sure 😓

Apple do not have the original one listed, but it looks like all the resellers do list it as a magic mouse when searching the product ID I found on an ebay listing

[naive violet]

The old boi

[worn thorn]

calyx supports fairphone 5 pretty recently with a few hiccups.

[boreal scarab]

Calyx?

[worn thorn]

yea

[naive violet]

Something like /e/OS also?

Semi official support

[boreal scarab]

There is Murena 2, but never heard of em

[sand trench]

calyx os by the calyx institute

[worn thorn]

/e/os and iode too

[boreal scarab]

Nope, guess no Murena for me. Not in US

[sand trench]

think they were the first custom rom to make it work on fairphone 5

[plush mesa]

Isnt is common sense? Of you i would expect to know i cant pull a "trusted" :1 comparison out my ass but if you look into specifc comparisons on a more detailed level. Lets take a few simple examples: can you turn your phones microphone off? Nope. Can you turn your phones camera off? Nope. Can you patch out stuff you dont want? Nope. Can you write an own program so you dont have to download a shitty one with trackers? Not that easily. Can you easily monitor and block tracker requests like you could for example do on a computer with wireshark and then using the firewall? Hell no you cant even see what either the OS or a program is doing. To reverse a damn application you need something like correlium which isnt available to normies while on a computer you just install any free debugger and ghidra. I hope those simple comparisons Are understandable by you and dont write me off as an obscure unknwon blogger source.

And no i didnt take this long becazse i was desperately on the search for a source 😂 im on mobile and my fingers are incompatible with android keyboarss

[boreal scarab]

"Here's some privacy phones for you, #2, Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra"

[mossy river]

Are we referring specifically to iPhones? because I know a ton of phones that you can do most of what you listed...

[rapid merlin]

Can you easily monitor and block tracker requests like you could for example do on a computer with wireshark and then using the firewall? Yes with my iphone i can get reports about network activity from apps.

[worn thorn]

great my keyboard double types some keys again... I hope it's just windows being weird again.

[boreal scarab]

I swear, the whole review sites are just one big monopoly and the best reviews go to the highest bidder... like "Best privacy VPN Lists NordVPN

[sand trench]

one of said hiccups is that for some people the sim cards and calling and data and mms/sms does not work as the imei number gets set incorrectly to 0 or 12

[plush mesa]

No, i said before the problem is with all stock phones. I also said stock ios is better than android if you dont want to manually change anything urself

[plush mesa]

Here.

[worn thorn]

haven't tried my sim yet. I waited until they put up the download again.

[boreal scarab]

Anyone heard of Bittium Tough Mobile 2C before?

[blazing granite]

here is your privacy phone 😂

[plush mesa]

The no sideloading was aimed at ios yeah

[rapid merlin]

Does it encrypt?

[sand trench]

sends sms to gnu-rex privacy phone

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[worn thorn]

nope but it looks interesting

[devout palm]

Nokia 3310 for security

[plush mesa]

And from the OS?

[devout palm]

And a weapon

[blazing granite]

We have one of those at home when I was a child 😂

[sand trench]

well dumb phones can be tracked via cell tower triangulation too

[plush mesa]

But thats interesting i didnt know that. I stopped with ios after my Iphone X no longer got updates

[sand trench]

though at that point you have a lot of problems with basically all phones ever

[boreal scarab]

Looks interesting, but I'd like to see a report on it's security

[wintry sluice]

removes battery
checkmate

[plush mesa]

Thing i miss is the keyboard i cant hit shit on this one

[rapid merlin]

Yes and no, the default apps like messages and facetime yes, and the OS itself, no

[clear jackal]

New DragonForce album is pretty good

[worn thorn]

it just feels and looks like a government/military backed company idk.

[sand trench]

wait they still make new music???? AWESOME

[boreal scarab]

They claim to be certified CONFIDENTIAL level (NCSA-FL, TL III)

[boreal scarab]

Same

[dawn plover]

Could someone who works professionally in digital investigation please contact me privately?

[rapid merlin]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102188 @plush mesa

[naive violet]

@dawn plover what are you looking for?

[clear jackal]

Warp Speed Warriors, it dropped two weeks ago ish

[sand trench]

well it is apparently fixed in the new flashing of 5.5.3.... but they are looking into how to fix it using OTA updates

[crude stump]

Super Mario

[boreal scarab]

Let's ask the phone expert. @slender scaffold what's your go to privacy focused phone?

[mossy river]

I asked you for a source because "he said she said" is how misinformation forms. You'll notice that all I did was ask for a source and you immediately jumped at my throat 😄

If you had provided a source I wouldn't have batted an eye, maybe even given you a quick tip of my fedora for accurately informing community members. I was genuinely interested... but thank you for... not providing a source... makes your argument super strong.

I have mentioned here before I don't care "if we all know it's true", especially with people talking about Microsoft Windows spying on you or Google selling your data, unless you have an actual verified source of information, I don't want to hear it.

Even if it turns out to be true 5 years down the line, there's also the chance that it doesn't actually end up being true and what everyone thought was true was just Witch hunts fueled by hatred.

There are also people, and I am not saying that you are included in this, who genuinely believe that things that aren't true are and they speak it as fact without a verified source of information, ergo misinformation.

If you truly believe something, I would implore you to investigate it and show everyone that it is true.

I would like to also make it aware that my message is for the entire community, I have said this time and time again.

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @plush mesa (current: #236 - 22)

[crude stump]

Damn

[worn thorn]

Yea I had followed their progress on it after I got my fp5

[plush mesa]

Thx for rep

[mossy river]

With TikTok and Instagram reels promoting mass misinformation to unsuspecting kids, I really don't want to come to my place of work and see it, I hope you understand 🙂

[slender scaffold]

what I'm not a phone expert 😄

[plush mesa]

There's loads of videos from for example MentalOutlaw on it he makes great videos, although sometime Tinfoil -hatty