If you search Python on hacktivities you see a few 🙂
#bookclub
solemn jewel
solemn jewel
It's not that hard to convert between the two, but they are both Python 2*. As far as I am aware, there is no Python 3* hacking books 😦 Some exploits on exploitDB use Python 2* also, which is annoying
shadow frigate
That's really frustrating. 😦
I definitely don't want to use a variant that could be rendered derelict in the future.
solemn jewel
As a fun exercise, you could always turn the exploits & adventures in Black Hat Python / Violent Python into Python 3*. There's also gray hat Python, but I'm not too sure on it
shadow frigate
Is there any one you recommend over the other?
shadow frigate
A list of 6 books I'm currently looking at (I'd like to select from 1 at this time.)
Python: As mentioned above, I'm looking for a Python cookbook or something to give me something to physically reference/scribble into. My class ends in a few weeks and I'll be using JetBrains to supplement what I haven't been able to learn in my Python class. I'm hoping some folks here have read some of these books so they can help narrow down a specific one to pick up.
- Automating the Boring Stuff with Python: I've only head good things about it and seen it recommended a lot here, but nothing specific. Seems to be cookbook based. Need more info to judge. ❓
- Black Hat Python: PenTesting specific Python. I would need to convert the code to Python 3x from 2x. I'm not sure the difficulty of that and what the difference between 2 and 3 is and what it means for me.❓ (potential ✅ if Py 2->3 conversion isn't awful)
- Fluent Python Clear, Concise, and Effective Programming: Seems like an intermediate book that seems to explore "why" in Python. Uses Python 3. ✅
- Python Cookbook, Third Edition: From the description, talks about updating Python code from 2 to 3, which would make it a kinda nice companion to Black Hat Python, or at least a book to read before that. It was published in 2013, so obviously will fail in being "modern" or up-to-date. ❓
Kali: I've seen two Packt books recommended here. I've heard conflicting info on whether or not Packt means a good book. Both books seem to be modern (published in 2019) and cover a lot. They both seem to cover two different sections of Kali and PenTesting, so I'm a bit conflicted if one is recommended over the other and in what case. At this point, I also wonder if there's even a point to picking up a Kali book or skipping over it. I see a benefit in what could be a reference but...
-Kali Linux An Ethical Hacker's Cookbook
-Mastering Kali Linux for Advanced Penetration Testing
solemn jewel
I loved Fluent Python (quite a lot, actually) and automate the boring stuff 🙂
shadow frigate
Available for another 6 days. Might be worth it for anyone trying to pick up Python? Has a 6 months JetBrains sub.
errant sundial
(remember, jetbrains do free student stuff)
shadow frigate
By suggestion of Bee, I'm picking up Fluent Python as my first Python book. Also picking up the Operator Handbook and Mastering Kali Linux for Advanced Penetration Testing.
Couldn't decide on 1.
lost viper
Hey I am just getting started with the pentesting would you recommend something's like book or where should I get started
errant sundial
lost viper
I am using thm but with my online classes I am not able spend too much time with it
So may be some beginner level book
shadow frigate
@lost viper What kind of classes are you taking? If you're taking a topic right now in college for say networking, why not take that topic and build from it? Research into the topics THM offers and learn what you should be watching out for. Learn how Nmap and Wiresharp use the network to do their deed. For me, I'm taking a programming class, so I'm spending most of my outside time doing that and delving further into that. It also is a topic I bought a book on recently because it's my research focus.
If you ctrl +f Bee's responses here, he has a list somewhere that has some of the top recommended books by folks here, as well
boreal osprey
"Open Source Intelligence Techniques: Resources for Searching and Analyzing Online Information 6th Edition"
shadow frigate
The same author has published a book recently on a similar topic that's cheaper than the book you posted. In the reviews, it mentions the resources no-longer being available for the book. Maybe check into the newer book and read reviews (not just Amazon) to see if it covers similar material. Extreme Privacy: What it takes to Disappear (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0898YGR58/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0)
solemn jewel
has anyone read this ?https://www.amazon.com/dp/1984201573/?coliid=IAI4V80TQ2G6P&colid=5ZTQ9V5AE3SI&psc=1&ref_=lv_vv_lig_dp_it
@boreal osprey This book is highly recommended on r/osint (to the point where 70% of all posts there are about this book)
west fjord
has anyone read this ?https://www.amazon.com/dp/1984201573/?coliid=IAI4V80TQ2G6P&colid=5ZTQ9V5AE3SI&psc=1&ref_=lv_vv_lig_dp_it
@boreal osprey Good book, although there is a Seventh Edition.
fading briar
Get the latest OSINT book mentioned above!
chrome parcel
Anyone that can recommend a reverse engineering book ? This one looks pretty solid: Practical Reverse Engineering: x86, x64, ARM, Windows Kernel, Reversing Tools, and Obfuscation (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1118787315/)
boreal osprey
Thank you to all who answered me! Much appreciated!
copper jungle
I can vouch for Extreme Privacy. It is not so much about OSINT gathering but rather how to go full nomad. If you are interested there is a podcast that Mike hosts which goes over the main topics of the book called "Privacy Security & OSINT with Michael Bazzell"
Make sure you grab the 2nd edition if you decide to purchase
thick jasper
Anyone that can recommend a reverse engineering book ? This one looks pretty solid: Practical Reverse Engineering: x86, x64, ARM, Windows Kernel, Reversing Tools, and Obfuscation (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1118787315/)
@chrome parcel Practical Malware Analysis.
chrome parcel
@thick jasper thx. I will check it out:)
cinder plaza
👀
mighty scroll
@cinder plaza why u looking like this??
cinder plaza
👀
mighty scroll
is there any book for php learning
boreal osprey
What epub/pdf reader do you all use? I tried out a few last night because I got sick of sore eyes bc of a white back ground on the ebooks. I tried freda, okular (linux/windows versions), kindle (desktop), adobe, calibre, icecreamapp ebook reader, and a couple others but none seem to be the whole well rounded package I was hoping for.
errant sundial
I used Lithium on android a little
boreal osprey
Thank you I’ll check it out!
oblique nimbus
Book Recommendation: "The Ideal Team Player" by Patrick Lencioni
autumn edge
@boreal osprey I recommend kindle ebook reader , you can buy an old one and it’ll gold just fine, as mine is 10yrs old and going strong
hearty geyser
I love my kindle
hoary mortar
Had one of my good friends recommend this book to me. Not explicitly cyber related but more so a general good read: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1775224112/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
errant sundial
For those too lazy to click the link
hoary mortar
@crimson compass ^This is one you might enjoy, it's from one of my business friends
crimson compass
@crimson compass ^This is one you might enjoy, it's from one of my business friends
@hoary mortar awesome, thank you man. I’m check this out.
hoary mortar
oh my god it's horrifying but i love it xD
errant sundial
shadow frigate
(Is it your birthday?)
errant sundial
No No No No No
@north spade how dare you
dim path
Hey guys just new to the group anyone else here read cult of the dead cow yet? Great little history lesson on some of the greatest badasses in cyber security
hoary mortar
I actually just ordered that today
Excited to read it, one of my coworkers (not on THM) used to be involved with them I believe
ancient zenith
@hoary mortar you should totally invite him or at least get him to write a few stories for us to read. I would totally love that
hoary mortar
I can ask him lol
ancient zenith
If its not too uncomfortable or strange go for it!
hoary mortar
I'll see what I can do
Truthfully, I do need to restart the AMAs
I'm sure he'd be down
ancient zenith
Sounds good to me
errant sundial
Their SQLi section is sqlmap
Which isn't good guidance for OSCP as sqlmap is explicitly banned
I can't speak for the rest of it
dim path
I actually just order that today
@hoary mortar enjoy it, one of my favourite reads in years
grave oxide
can some1 recomend good book to start learning javascript?
placid vigil
JavaScript is a curse
north spade
JavaScript is actually really nice with ES6. Somehow. Never thought I would say that.
quartz wind
@grave oxide You might like https://eloquentjavascript.net/
grave oxide
thanks, ill check it out, not a big fan of JS so far, but atleast need to understand it for starters
quartz wind
@north spade It came a long way as a language and browsers actually respecting more specs 🙏
chrome parcel
any good books or resources for learning about opsec
rich hatch
@chrome parcel https://inteltechniques.com/ specifically his podcast and books
And +1 on Eloquent JavaScript. I read the 2nd edition and made some of the annoying parts of the language clearer to me
There's also https://javascript30.com/ if you prefer something more project-based
distant coyote
Java script.....
robust salmon
keen sleet
Hi, any books to get started with cybersec?
solemn jewel
This is a list of the most recommended books
When we get the bot to do book stuff it'll be much larger 😛
shadow frigate
A Recommendation I have
The Operator Handbook (Red Team + OSINT + Blue Team)
While I haven't perused RTFM+BTFM, this book has a large amount of helpful information I've been flipping to for the past couple of weeks. Some sections, I've noticed, need work. Nmap has -T missing from its list of useful things as an example. I've penciled in some corrections/used stickies to expand on the info in my own copy. Some info in it is a little bit much. There's an entire table of info on different operating systems and what their current version is, how they release, etc. Obviously this information is best not included because it will constantly be out of date, but it's nice to know what the most popular Linux distros are at the flip of a page. It separates things by sections, by if they are red team, blue team, or other. There's a mini-section on OSINT, but if you want an actual deep dive, I still recommend reading an actual book on the topic. It gives you a handy list of websites to use, but the way they are classified is a bit misleading. Blue team sections have info on patching, but I recommend actually doing research on those topics because the book will eventually be out of date, even if it was just published. It is useful to know what to look for, though, in your research of blue teaming.
So can recommend, but always be prepared to make amendments.
I think it would be neat if in the recommendations from the bot, you can click on a link and it will tell you why it's recommended by a user but man the automation on that would suuuuuuuuck
solemn jewel
I think it would be neat if in the recommendations from the bot, you can click on a link and it will tell you why it's recommended by a user but man the automation on that would suuuuuuuuck
@shadow frigate that wouldnt suck at all to implement, but what would suck would be moderating exactly what users enter into the books recs
shadow frigate
Yeah the only way would be to screen it like write-ups
west fjord
@shadow frigate Did you purchase the hardcopy or digital?
The AWS and Azure coverage in the book is pretty solid.
shadow frigate
@west fjord I purchased the hard copy so I can scribble in it/have the information ready outside of the Internet.
west fjord
I have the digital version. Printed out a few pages so far.
Many infosec gurus contributed to that book.
Another good book is: Blue Team Handbook, by Don Murdoch. Covers SOC, SIEM, and Threat Hunting. It's from 2018, so a bit older.
ancient zenith
Cheers for the recommendation I'm definitely gonna get a hard copy for my new bookshelf that's on its way
Although I really learn better from a THM style I do like books.
west fjord
I'm a ferocious reader, but many of these handbooks are mostly utilized as reference books, to look things up.
stoic island
If you guys want lots and lots of technical stuff for reasonably cheap, check out Packt publishing. They have a shit ton of books geared toward professional/technical skill development. I used their book to do some business analytics in python stuff and it was good, managed to cancel before the trial ran out too lol
but good stuff for cybersec too
i mean i assume it's good i didnt read it, i just know they have it 🤷♂️
shadow frigate
Packt can be hit or miss
I think it's been discussed why when it comes to Humble Bundles and a Packt IT bundle gets posted
rich hatch
Maybe it depends on the subject matter? I was not impressed with their game development books and hadn't really looked at their other books because of that
rich hatch
Had anyone read Tribe of Hackers: Red Team? Are the answers from most of the people the same? I ask because I found this was an issue with the first book.
west fjord
@rich hatch Similar to the original book. Still somewhat insightful as to how the Red Team approaches things differently.
short carbon
Anyone know any red hat hacker books if not a good gray hat hacker book
errant sundial
Red hat is a linux distro, is that what you're looking for?
short carbon
Yea I wanted to learn more about it as I didn’t know there was a thing as red hat hacker til the other day
errant sundial
There isn't
Red Hat is an enterprise focussed linux distro
Red team exists, but that's seperate from hats
chrome parcel
@errant sundial I think he's talking about the concept of red team vs blue team maybe?
Or I guess white hat vs gray hat
short carbon
No not about red team and blue
errant sundial
No there's an urban legend of "red hat hacker" going around
short carbon
I have the RTFM
errant sundial
Saying "oh if you don't know what it is then you're not good enough"
short carbon
I searched it up and it said hackers that want to destroy black hats so I wanted to look into it more but guess it’s a legend like you said
Is there a good gray hat hacker book you coyld reccomend?
ancient zenith
Why would you want a grey hat book?
short carbon
Just interested to learn more about it
cinder plaza
Red hats don't exist, Cybrary created them for some reason
Red Hat is a linux distro
short carbon
Oh alright thanks
chrome parcel
I think you might want to look into maybe working for a government's cybersecurity/forensics division probably
A lot of that is a lot less offensive than you think, and more just about forensics and trying to piece a name to digital evidence
cinder plaza
@chrome parcel Stop recruiting people to work for the government, we know you're a spy 
chrome parcel
@chrome parcel Stop recruiting people to work for the government, we know you're a spy
@cinder plaza
short carbon
chrome parcel
I mean, most digital forensics or cyber justice jobs are basically only government
Since it's illegal for any company to do offensive work like that I Guess
rich hatch
@west fjord thanks for the info. Guess I'll dive in and give a few of the chapters a read anyway
west fjord
Hands-On Penetration Testing with Python, by Furqan Khan. @chrome parcel Not as good as Violent Python though.
west fjord
Almost all books in that category are written for Python 2.x @chrome parcel A matter of time before they catch up and adopt 3.x, now that Kali is moving away from 2.x.
shadow frigate
You can convert from 2 to 3. Though I don’t know what it means to do that since I know 3.
At the least it could help you understand the program better
rich hatch
Well you could go through Violent Python and use a resource like https://github.com/EONRaider/violent-python3 to understand the PoCs in Python 3 while being mindful of the differences between 2 and 3 while you read the book
rich hatch
Seems there are some PoCs that weren't rewritten though since there's no equivalent library in 3 that the code depends on (chapter05/ninja_print.py)
shadow frigate
I just bought Fluent Python 
It is weird how there's Fluent Python (not a basic book) but there's basic+intermediate groups for the other languages.
solemn jewel
Fluent Python is really good
my maybe 1st? most popular blog post came from that book
"TimSort" - the python default sorting algorithm 🙂
tidal plume
Fluent Python's a brilliant book. Serious Python from No Starch is along similar lines
steady perch
@west fjord Somebody converted the whole thing into Python 3. It's on Git
inland sonnet
Are there any books that would be like the equivalent of Windows Internals but specifically for Active Directory concepts? Showing the details of the kerberos authentication implementation, forests and trees and objects etc. ?
mortal wedge
not really you may be able to find a couple sys admin related books to active directory and Kerberos but in general there’s just not a lot of AD books
west fjord
@inland sonnet Somewhat covered in Mastering Active Directory, Second Edition, by Dishan Francis. A free resource I use, is the Active Directory Security site: https://adsecurity.org
boreal osprey
Has anyone read this book "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 3rd Edition"? It kind of old but I take it since its low level its still viable?
fallen comet
Has anyone read this book "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment, 3rd Edition"? It kind of old but I take it since its low level its still viable?
@boreal osprey Big fan of this book, concepts explained are still relevant IMO
mortal wedge
@calm goblet these are books recommended by thm for beginners id say the hacker playbook 3.0, linux command line, and kali linux would be helpful books for you the kali one being free I believe
calm goblet
Thanks @mortal wedge
inland sonnet
@west fjord thanks!
hollow kelp
@mortal wedge what’s the score mean behind the titles? I got the physical Kali book and looking to expand my bookshelf, thx for the image!
mortal wedge
I believe it’s how many people in thm recommend it
hollow kelp
Aah, gotcha. Thx mate
solemn jewel
@mortal wedge what’s the score mean behind the titles? I got the physical Kali book and looking to expand my bookshelf, thx for the image!
@hollow kelp Yup! Soon we'll have a bot command to recommend the books, so we can have a constant database of TryHackMe's favourite books. The bot team is v/ busy right now though, so may take some time 😅
hollow kelp
That’s really cool @solemn jewel gl hf to the bot team then 😃
hearty geyser
Really recommend these books if you want to start with Buffer Overflow https://subscription.packtpub.com/book/security/9781789807608
thick jasper
I read the whole binary analysis book from packt
It's about how to use inbuilt tools in linux to analyse binary, from dd, objdump to readelf. It's good for starter, but not really good for buffer overlflow.
hearty geyser
I just needed a starting point, this was good
If you have some more advance resources for bof, do send me pls 🙂
stoic oracle
@hearty geyser check pins in #resources, there's a list of materials related to binex pinned there
chrome parcel
Guys, anyone knows good books translated into spanish?
obsidian current
Hi there! Any recommendations on materials for improving social engineering?
mortal wedge
@obsidian current The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting is the only that I have heard about
obsidian current
Thanks @mortal wedge .
mortal wedge
its currently free on amazon kindle
obsidian current
Even better!
south heath
Social engineering the art of human hacking is also good
And mitniks the art of deception
young viper
chrome parcel
Combines stories that are fictional, with hacking methods and technology that is real.
back into the hacking roots
solemn jewel
Books in text for those that can't read images: Stealing the network by Ryan Russell, Timothy Mullen, and Johnny Long The best of 2600 a hacker odyssey by emmanuel goldstein
mortal wedge
Authors for stealing the network are Ryan Russell, Timothy Mullen, and Johnny Long
chrome parcel
thanks guys for updates, I am sorry for inconvenience
rich hatch
Since I’ve been (slowly) getting into game hacking and there's a DEF CON discount from No Starch, I just picked this up ❤️ https://nostarch.com/Effective_C
mossy tangle
Hey guys I am looking go get a couple of books related to hacking and Cybersecurity and I would love some suggestions. I have been programming for a few years but I am really getting into this side of CS now so I would love a good beginner friendly book that can teach me the basics of CyberSecurity. I would also like a good story type book that isnt as informative but is interesting and can still teach me some. I was looking into Ghost in the Wires: My Adventures as the World's Most Wanted Hacker for the story type book and ‘
Operator Handbook: Red Team + OSINT + Blue Team Reference’ but I would love some feedback and suggestions. (Sorry if this was the wrong channel for this but it seemed sorta on topic)
chrome parcel
@mossy tangle Stealing the Network (see my post above), is thriller book, with good story behind and about 90% of the content is describing the various hacking and IT security techniques (data hiding, SQL injection, Wifi wardriving, identity theft, virus programming, disassembling atc. ) and using real hardware and software. For me it was very interesting reading to see how it may look like behind the scenes. To give a technical credit to that book, Kevin Mitnick was one of the technical editors.
shy sedge
Hey guys, do you have any recommendation for a Ebook ( Kindle format ) for pentesting something relate to that ? Thanks !
rich hatch
@mossy tangle I'd skip Ghost in the Wires unless you want to read that for pure entertainment, as I recall it was mostly about social engineering and phreaking. What little there is about network security could probably be read in a lot more detail in another book.
If you want another recommendation, Sandworm was still one of my fav reads in the past year, good balance of being informative and entertaining
mossy tangle
Ok sandworm looks really good and interesting to read but what would you guys recommend for mostly information
short carbon
If I remember correctly those are books voted from THM for any beginners
tacit schooner
any recommend book for shellcoding ?
left haven
Shellcoders handbook
tacit schooner
for window 64 bit env
tacit schooner
Shellcoders handbook
@left haven thanks
it's hard for 64bit env. So. xD
And any recommended for malware development ?
thank you.
mossy tangle
@chrome parcel Would you say that the book you recommended is more entertainment or informative? I think I am going to get Sandworm but I want one more book I can really learn from.
bleak moth
Any recommendations for reverse engineering? Almost all the time I open a elf in ghidra I don't know what I am doing. I suck at assembly and rev . Please suggest.
errant sundial
I like the shellcoders handbook, I'll have a check over the contents page to see how much RE it does
The core of RE is being able to read assembly
bleak moth
Oh kay
distant coyote
Any recommendations for reverse engineering? Almost all the time I open a elf in ghidra I don't know what I am doing. I suck at assembly and rev . Please suggest.
@bleak moth theres a ghidra room in thm
errant sundial
Ok if you're learning RE for BoFs, it's a great book
The start has some chapters on recognising how C/Cpp structures compile to assembly which might help
But there are probably some dedicated books for learning x86 which would be better suited
bleak moth
@distant coyote actually during CTF's when an elf has a flag.txt inside it and you struggle to fetch it out by using all methods you know, you feel my pain? 😅
distant coyote
kinda
bleak moth
But irrespective of that, I want to understand assembly fluently.
Shellcoders handbook seems like the real catch , I'll definitely read it
@errant sundial it will okay for beginners right?
errant sundial
I wouldn't recommend it to start with
Since BoF is a hard topic if you don't know the basics
bleak moth
I had a subject in microprocessors and microcontrollers, that would help I guess
errant sundial
A lot of dialects of assembly seem fairly similar
placid vigil
Since BoF is a hard topic~~ if you don't know the basics~~
errant sundial
But until you can read some x86, I wouldn't recommend starting BoF
bleak moth
Okay okay
errant sundial
Eventually I'll write some material on "This is what you should do before you start learning BOFs"
If you have a lil compsci background, it really helps. Then you can understand the stack etc a bit easier
bleak moth
Eventually I'll write some material on "This is what you should do before you start learning BOFs"
@errant sundial eagerly waiting for that
chrome parcel
@mossy tangle It is perfectly OK when you go for Sandworm, that's actually very good choice. Then you can try other books, life is long :-)
I mentioned "Stealing the network", as it started my eager for hacking and IT security in general few years back. It provided good story with great and accurate technical details. All chapters were hypnotic, but I remember especially chapter "Birth of Pawn". It put whole SQL injection topic in context, from perspective of noob.
Stealing the network is set of 4 books (~1100 pages):
- How to own the box
- How to own a continent
- How to own an identity
- How to own a shadow
cunning thistle
hey guys does this book still relevant because it was released back in 2011 and if not do you have any recommendations for web app books
rich hatch
@cunning thistle PortSwigger Web Academy would be a replacement for WAHH; the authors made it to fulfill being a 3rd edition of the book, just not in book form https://portswigger.net/web-security/web-application-hackers-handbook
cunning thistle
@rich hatch alright thank you !!!
tacit schooner
Any recommend book of ASM for windows x32 x64
chrome parcel
This one is really good for learning ASM and the entire machine/kernel structure from scratch
errant sundial
Although, MIPS isn't x86
chrome parcel
@tacit schooner I have a good YouTube series I can recommend. I know that's not a book, but if you're interested, please DM me. I don't want to post here because this channel is for books only afaik.
errant sundial
Feel free to drop it into #resources though!
cobalt quarry
Yo guys ik that there was some talk about a good hacker story book that went in detail with the tools that were used. Can you tell me the name of the book again please?
plain vigil
Yo guys ik that there was some talk about a good hacker story book that went in detail with the tools that were used. Can you tell me the name of the book again please?
@cobalt quarry I know one book but it is in spanish
Any way the book is: Hacker épico
hearty geyser
Ahh shit no i found it. It was called Stealing the network
@cobalt quarry It's a very old book keep in mind
So you may not find what you are expecting
cobalt quarry
Ye ik but its a thriller story book and honestly i was kind looking for a nice story telling hacker book
chrome parcel
guys whats the best hacking book that helps you learn more
short carbon
@chrome parcel here are some books that may help you
chrome parcel
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chrome galleon
Thpb3 was really good. More of an updated copy paste of the second tho
boreal osprey
Anyone know a good malware analysis book?
hearty geyser
https://github.com/rshipp/awesome-malware-analysis#books @boreal osprey
solemn jewel
Recommend me a non-fiction non-tech related book 😄
thick jasper
Man's Search for Meaning?
solemn jewel
The broken earth series
@placid vigil this is fiction 😦
Man's Search for Meaning?
@thick jasper i have read this book ;-;
thick jasper
Oh well, I can't think of any at the moment
The Compound Effect is self help book but quite good
solemn jewel
Preferably I like books about weird topics, like clouds, you know? something you wouldn't normally think about but someone else has advanced knowledge on it 😄
thick jasper
clouds, you're obsessed with it :p
And cloud is a really abnormal topic to write a book about?
thick jasper
Cloud Dynamics (Volume 104) (International Geophysics (Volume 104)) 2nd Edition
Understand skies?
Damn, that made me curious
solemn jewel
wait woah that looks cool
i told u
these are the books i love
you see these things everyday but you never stop to learn about how they work
did you know it rains frogs
like quite regularly too
thick jasper
No, I don't. I think I should try the 1st one
Only interest I have beside tech stuff includes human psychology
But your one is cooler Bee
solemn jewel
Only interest I have beside tech stuff includes human psychology
@thick jasper fave book? i've read thinking fast & slow
i got this discord into rust I'll get y'all into clouds >:)
thick jasper
I agree, little things we see everyday has more to see than it meets the eye
Thinking Fast and Slow is really really good
That's my fav too
You have really great taste in books @solemn jewel
solemn jewel
You have really great taste in books @solemn jewel
@thick jasper I just read a lot and put down books that are boring haha
thick jasper
Same
If first few pages interests me then I'll read the book in 2-3 days
Have you read Mastery?
Or any of the Robert Greene book?
solemn jewel
Yup! 48 laws of power, I own mastery too but haven't read it 😛
i should finish that book actually I think?
48 laws of power
was quite good
maybe I'll find it 😛
solemn jewel
an image? I sold all of them about a year go 😛 But I maintain a database of every book I've owned, here's that list:
Oh btw
you're going to see some really weird books
like uhmm
from dictators or people that society normally looks down upon
that's because I push myself to read the opinions of people I disagree with
so when u see stuff like mein kampf or trumps books dont h8 me too much :p
thick jasper
Considering the school you went, I am waiting for more shockers
solemn jewel
ok i might read crackign the coding interview or 1984
errant sundial
I'm thinking about re-reading 1984
wary heron
Can anyone tell me if this book is still relevant...
icy furnace
Just saw this pic pop on LinkedIn, anyone has read one of these ?
shadow frigate
Some of those are generally recommended
I've seen Hacking The Art of Exploitation and I think Black Hat Python?
chrome parcel
Penetration Testing isnt bad but its really outdated
ancient zenith
Hacking the art of exploitation is great for the deep understanding of techniques
glad patio
Practical Malware Analysis is chefs kiss. Tad bit old but the content is still very relevant. The binaries/labs start to error out in compatability on win10. Try and use Win7 at the latest. iOS application handbook is really good if you wanna get started in bug bountying apps @icy furnace
Helps you setup an environment of tools iirc from my copy
PMA is arguably the bible of malware analysis man
mortal wedge
Pentesting Azure Applications is pretty good
and in general any book from no starch press is top notch
icy furnace
I'm taking notes guys, thanks a lot 🧐 
west fjord
No Starch Press as a publisher is very good, same for Manning Publications and O'Reilly.
shadow frigate
Some Packt books seem to be good. I have been reading Mastering Kali Linux for Advanced Penetration Testing 3e for a month off and on and I think it's been helpful.
mortal wedge
I’ve only heard bad things about packt but it may depend on the book
shadow frigate
I've heard the quality of info is super dooper iify but this one and the other one I'm interested in picking up supposedly are highly rated. My experience so far with that book has been good. I like that the first chapter tells you about the RTE model and gives you snippets of mindsets. The second chapter is OSINT-y and it is mostly about Kali's use with the OSINT tools it comes with. It's okay, I think? But the mindset I think is best represented in Social Engineering The Science of Human Hacking (so far). I plan on learning about Kali's OSINT tools and kinda leaving it there. I want to use a separate Linux box for OSINT, per Bazell's recommendation.
I'm still waiting on that book in the mail. LOL
chrome parcel
Opinions about: Operator Handbook: Red Team + OSINT + Blue Team Reference?
shadow frigate
Positive opinions
It doesn’t contain everything and I’ve made my own pages for it
Some info you might have to pencil out like Kali being rolling etc
It’s a handy desk book for me
It isn’t going to teach you something, but it will act as a reference when you don’t want to crawl through man/-h for a specific flag. It tries to limit what’s in the book to the most useful stuff.
errant sundial
@shadow frigate kali is based on debian rolling
shadow frigate
Yes. But that book says it is a stable release. Kali isn’t really full stable anymore
shadow frigate
James xd why
willow quest
Do you guys read code in disclosed cve and perform root cause analysis?
ancient zenith
@willow quest this is for books and other literature. Use #general for that 🙂
The art of war. Whether your planning to lead an army or apply the book to your everyday life, its a good read. It's also in the public domain so you can often find it for free in audiobook form
thick jasper
I never really picked it up but I want to. It's mentioned so many times in self help category.
severe ermine
Give opinion about "The web application hackers handbook 2nd edition"
proper axle
Finished reading it at the start of this month
Hugely helpful for understanding web application security (and insecurity)
You'll learn a huge amount if you're new to the field
shadow frigate
Iirc I have a copy of The Art of War in my boxes
Can't remember much about it, but I remember it making me feel better when I was going through my super dark depression spiral like 4 years ago
quaint hatch
I don't know for how long I'll keep spamming this but, The King Killer chronicles is worth every page. Not to sound like a 13 year old, but IMO Harry Potter is a subset of this novel.
Upsides: There is no movie/TV series on it, yet.
Last part of this series is coming out this month. (After 10 years)
willow quest
You'll learn a huge amount if you're new to the field
@proper axle Do you just read the book without doing labs?
proper axle
Hm?
You mean the questions at the end of each chapter?
It'll help your retention to do them.
shadow frigate
You should definitely do any labs a book tells you to do
The exception should be if the resources got yeeted
It can tell you the concept, but practice is part of retention
chrome parcel
Can anybody recommend me any good PDF format book on Python?
thick jasper
Yep, Automate The Boring Stuff With Python and Fluent Python.
hearty geyser
Fluent python is not exactly good for learning python for the first time, if that's what you want to do
shadow frigate
Fluent Python is 100% for those who are already practicing Python
But Automate the Boring Stuff as well as Python Crash Course are great.
If you’re learning and a student with an email hit up jetbrains
thick jasper
Hence I mentioned Automate The Boring Stuff With Python first.
round forge
Ive heard this is good for beginners. also the site has good info
solemn jewel
@solemn jewel pirated content above
@ancient zenith i checked it, it didnt look like it to me
let me read up on the license 1 sec
Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ its safe content 😄
ancient zenith
Oh good. I just saw it for sale and didn't see that. Better safe than sorry
wooden crystal
can anyone suggest book on computer networking
chrome parcel
Cisco CCNA is about networking and configuring Cisco devices and after finishing the book you can try their exam and obtain a certificate.
but i guess there is more and better books
round forge
Oh good. I just saw it for sale and didn't see that. Better safe than sorry
@ancient zenith
Yeah imagine jumping to conclusions before knowing and accusing someone of something. Good practice 👍
ancient zenith
hearty geyser
stoic oracle
lyric thunder
So the hint I am asking for is... If there was 1 book you could suggest A noob read that will help fill out on foundational knowledge what would you suggest?
solemn jewel
So the hint I am asking for is... If there was 1 book you could suggest A noob read that will help fill out on foundational knowledge what would you suggest?
@lyric thunder a mind for numbers by Barbara Oakle, it teaches you how to learn
minor tide
@solemn jewel great reccomendation
hearty geyser
Recommend me a book. Any topic
gusty jacinth
hearty geyser
Awesome
hearty geyser
The Cloud Book: How to Understand the Skies Paperback – 21 Mar. 2008
This attractive and entertaining guide to the clouds, helps readers to identify every cloud type and related phenomena, and understand its implications for the weather.
Sounds interesting
but can you really identify clouds @solemn jewel
solemn jewel
but can you really identify clouds @solemn jewel
@hearty geyser yes
you can tell when it's going to rain based on clouds
it also talks about cool things
like when it rains frogs
solemn jewel
I am being serious
hearty geyser
All right then, added this one to my 2 books long reading list 😄
solemn jewel
There's another cool book "how to read water" which does the same but for water
hearty geyser
so you can tell when it's going to flood
solemn jewel
yes, among other things
I think it's really cool to be able to look at clouds and say "ah, it's going to rain" or to look at the ocean and say "hmmm... this looks odd we should leave"
especially as we look at clouds and water everyday, it's nice to know what they are
hearty geyser
I'm definitely Intrested in the cloud one atm. I don't live anywhere near an ocean or even a sea, so that's a pass rn
ancient zenith
So bee is a weatherman
proper axle
savaged
uncut pilot
i never understand that meme
lime sedge
Hi, looking to learn php and JavaScript. Please recommend a book for me. (it doesn't have to be beginner friendly).
rich hatch
@lime sedge https://eloquentjavascript.net/ for JS, I don't have recommendations for PHP
lime sedge
@lime sedge https://eloquentjavascript.net/ for JS, I don't have recommendations for PHP
@rich hatch
Thanks.
chrome parcel
Does anyone know a good book on networking ? Doesn't have to be beginner friendly, but something that is praticle and give good example to solidfy concepts
solemn jewel
Does anyone know a good book on networking ? Doesn't have to be beginner friendly, but something that is praticle and give good example to solidfy concepts
@chrome parcel Computer Networks: a top down approach is the best I have ever read
^^ it has python code examples and even online exams / questions if you buy the book 😛
scarlet heath
Hi, looking to learn php and JavaScript. Please recommend a book for me. (it doesn't have to be beginner friendly).
@lime sedge sololearn is good, but read the comments
humble goblet
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/advanced-computer-security-and-privacy-morgan-claypool-books
any feedback on this?
distant hearth
I'm interested
rich hatch
IMHO better to spend more on a book or two you know you'll definitely read and can be valuable, than less on a whole bunch that are vaguely interesting and might end up wasting your time
cedar plank
hmm those aren't even things I can look up on Amazon
west fjord
M&C as a publisher I find too academic, dry material. @humble goblet
distant coyote
can someone send me uni cybersecurity book pdf? i wanna have a peek
north spade
Would that be a paid resource you're requesting @distant coyote?...
distant coyote
Would that be a paid resource you're requesting @distant coyote?...
@north spade if its free, I am just curios about the content
sinful lotus
How do y'all feel about that humble bundle?
cobalt quarry
How do you guys feel about this?
It seems nice but want to get more opinions on it
sinful lotus
I don't really like that one. 🤷♀️ I think there are a lot of free online resources to learn programming
shadow frigate
What a weird bundle
You got programming with Python, C++, and then just randomly Photoshop stuff, doing stuff with cloud computing, cybersecurity, and Bash? Then there's Excel? And then ML stuff?
Seems very unfocused
cobalt quarry
Programming and Prodictivity by Mercury
Programming is the languages and CyberSec, productivity is MS, PS so on
shadow frigate
Yes, I can see that. Doesn't change that it's a very oddly unfocused bundle
cobalt quarry
So its a nono
shadow frigate
glad patio
AutoCad?
I'm giving that a straight pass
V fun to play with but in an infosec / redhat perspective
I'm not quite sure what can be learnt from it other then printing really cool stuff
humble goblet
@rich hatch I agree with you but humble bundle is known to pack great value in little money, so there are at least some thing I would rather get this way than getting the individual books. A good example is basically any bundle with no starch press books. I got a few from the latest one, which included classics like black hat python and a few others.
rich hatch
Agreed that No Starch's bundles have a better signal/noise ratio than some other publishers. But you still have to watch out for what you're buying (ie: programmer bundles where they may be bundling more K-12/Scratch books than ones more applicable to doing InfoSec or software projects)
cedar plank
yeah No Starch and Oreilly I'll buy... others mostly no
scenic cloak
I trust a few others like hackers playbook and operators handbook
And the "Hack like a pornstar" books are surprisingly ok
cobalt quarry
Hey dose anyone know any good new books on system administration?
scenic cloak
Not a single book but no starch has a sys admin collection
https://nostarch.com/catalog/system-administration
glad patio
Azure devops labs @cobalt quarry
You can get some free credit and learn some cloud stacks like Azure
Businesses are becoming more and more hybrid by the day (on-site Windows domain with Azure and O365)
icy lark
Do you guys recommend the book "Hack like a p0rnstar" ?
rich hatch
Think someone here recommended it here, unironically
rich hatch
Might give this a read after Tribe of Hackers Red Team https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/book.html
Boo no social card, but https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv3-coversmall.jpg
short carbon
Isn't this piracy?
short carbon
Yea I would say it's piracy as it's books for free
rustic goblet
idk
short carbon
If it's free books on a drive or mega files etc it's best not to as those are mostly piracy
chrome parcel
It's in the rules
short carbon
Yea you'll get a warning by the mods as well if you post any piracy stuff
chrome parcel
!rule 11
cerulean dawnBOT
Rule 11: No distribution of illegally obtained materials within the discord. Do not pirate books in #bookclub
cinder plaza
🧐
plucky torrent
My dudes, he apologised could we leave the discipline to the staff.
cinder plaza
!rule 11
You are technically violating rule 15 yourself
thick jasper
Which book?
chrome parcel
Sorry I didn't know I actually doled out punishment
glad patio
https://discordapp.com/channels/521382216299839518/679099130320125952/751075693156106260 the author discusses distributing it looks good to me + it's an ac.uk domain
cinder plaza
That's not the book
chrome parcel
maybe you guys should leave the enforcement of rule 15 to the mods 😉
cinder plaza
That post was yesterday CMNatic, you're investigating the wrong book
glad patio
Thanks
potent quail
!rule 15
cerulean dawnBOT
Rule 15: Please leave any disciplinary measures to the discord staff (Trial Mods, Mods, and Admins). This is also known as no 'mini-modding'. If something is happening, please just let the staff know and we can take care of it <3
civic yew
good lord - anyone actually go to the link?
the author is publishing it on his website for review
geez
rich hatch
Are you referencing the right book? The drama isn't about what I posted
shadow frigate
I am gonna have to check that book out 
cedar plank
I think there was another link posted after ESWAT's
tacit schooner
Any resources for reading or some kinda tutorial of macro malware? xD
frank basin
youtube
icy lark
"Amazon.com: How to Hack Like a PORNSTAR: A step by step process for breaking into a BANK (Hacking the planet Book 1) eBook: FLOW, Sparc: Kindle Store" https://www.amazon.com/How-Hack-Like-PORNSTAR-breaking-ebook/dp/B01MTDLGQQ
Lol
ancient zenith
Erm
ancient zenith
Erm, is that legal?
errant sundial
It's a somewhat recommended book around here for some reason
ancient zenith
actually amazon sells the anarchist cookbook. And that's illegal in many places
cedar plank
and I thought the anarchist cookbook was an actual cookbook
hearty geyser
There are a lot of things amazon sell that can be illegal in some places or used illegaly. Doesn't makes them ouright illegal tho
shadow frigate
Check with local laws before buying a thing.
cedar plank
even IF it is legal, I'm sure you get put on a list
then try to get sudafed AFTER that
rich hatch
I haven't touched Ruby on Rails in 4 years and kind of want to build something real, so bought this and hopefully I’ll actually complete it lol (I went through 2/3 of the 2nd edition many moons ago and that was a solid book) https://pragprog.com/titles/rails6/agile-web-development-with-rails-6/
stiff prairie
"Amazon.com: How to Hack Like a PORNSTAR: A step by step process for breaking into a BANK (Hacking the planet Book 1) eBook: FLOW, Sparc: Kindle Store" https://www.amazon.com/How-Hack-Like-PORNSTAR-breaking-ebook/dp/B01MTDLGQQ
@icy lark - i actually read that book - horrible name - but it was good intro when I was starting out. the author has a decent series of books.
tulip vortex
@icy lark - i actually read that book - horrible name - but it was good intro when I was starting out. the author has a decent series of books.
@stiff prairie I just did a write up of his CTF on my blog. Not going to list it as I don't want to violate any rules here, but hilarious that I come into book club and see this post right after I finished all of this.
warm vector
who knows about the OTW new book?
cedar plank
otw?
cinder plaza
OccupyTheWeb
rich hatch
I read his linux book, it was not bad. I'd read another one of his
warm vector
mortal wedge
Not really the place for writeups
I believe #resources is the best place as long as it doesn’t turn into self advertisement
mortal wedge
I don’t even know where the best place or that be is 🤷♂️ whatever if it needs to be moved a mod will tell you
Please don’t use the help command anywhere except #bot-commands though please it gets spammy
warm vector
@mortal wedge ok , Thanks
solid portal
who has some good books about web app pentesting? just started reading The Web Application Hacker's Handbook and was wondering what others people have found helpful
robust salmon
web app hackers handbook is widely regarded as the best intro to web app handbook
solid portal
well that's good to know, thanks! I've only just started reading it
robust salmon
You can share books within the public domain, like Alice in Wonderland
solid portal
I mean I would be good even with the titles
west fjord
Web Penetration Testing with Kali Linux, Third Edition, by Gilberto Najera-Gutierrez and Juned Ahmed Ansari.
chrome parcel
has anyone here read blackhat python? is it worth the money
thick jasper
I would say yes, but it's in python 2 from what I remember.
lament moat
How is violent Python
thick jasper
It's also outdated but worth reading on how python can be used for pentesting.
scenic orchid
I have been translating and summarizing free programming books ENG -> SPA on my free time, any recommendations ?
west fjord
Active Directory Administration Cookbook, by Sander Berkouwer. Published: 2019.
warm vector
@west fjord would u pls name 3 of ur favourite infosec's books ?
errant sundial
If this is a communal game
- Shellcoder's handbook
- Cryptography apocalypse
- On Intelligence
west fjord
Security -- Network Security Assessment: Know Your Network, Third Edition, by Chris McNab.
Hacking -- The Hacker Playbook 3: Practical Guide to Penetration Testing, Red Team Edition, by Peter Kim.
Blue Team -- Blue Team Handbook: SOC, SIEM, and Threat Hunting Use Cases, by Don Murdoch.
Red Team -- Red Team: Development and Operations, Zeroday Edition, by Joe Vest and James Tubberville. @warm vector
warm vector
@west fjord tnx buudy
desert atlas
Is there any good book which teaches scripting using Python3? I see mostly python2. :|
cedar plank
the differences aren't that great, it'd be better just to find a webpage explaining differences https://sebastianraschka.com/Articles/2014_python_2_3_key_diff.html
desert atlas
Thanks. Will have a look at it.
rich hatch
Someone ported the Blackhat Python exercises to Python3 and put them on GitHub. Others have probably done the same with other books
I'm reading The Quick Python Book (3rd edition) which uses Python 3, but expects some previous programming knowledge
shadow frigate
Crash Course in Python as well as Automate the Boring Stuff. The latter I think is free on the author's website and the former I believe is half-free. If you're a student, doing interactive exercises on JetBrains might also be your speed since you're having to actually write code repeatedly to get things right.
empty cairn
Is anyone here into psychology?
I'm looking for some articles / vids on behavioral psychology. I'm interested how people react to certain words or some surprising statistics or persuasion or double speak / euphemism.
chrome parcel
is hacking for dummies, 5th edition a good book?
sick hull
I've never been a fan of the 'For dummies' books
short carbon
@chrome parcel I have it it’s only good if you’re like beginner/early intermediate
chilly osprey
I'm looking for some articles / vids on behavioral psychology. I'm interested how people react to certain words or some surprising statistics or persuasion or double speak / euphemism.
Whenever i see the word "yawn" i yawn
cedar plank
yawn
solemn jewel
Thinking Fast and Slow.
@thick jasper This is the best book on it. Hands down. Nothing else will ever compare 🙂
thick jasper
True that.
empty cairn
Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks =)
shadow frigate
Imo, books on social engineering might be good for that topic, too. Social Engineering: The Art of Human Hacking touches on psychology behind getting someone to do what you want.
cedar plank
Ok I’m going to read Thinking Fast and Slow
empty cairn
I read about the book and it seems to be a very thorough read. I read as a recommendation that I should go through the summary first before attempting to read the whole book.
hoary mortar
Thinking Fast and Slow is a great read
thick jasper
+1
hearty geyser
+2
cedar plank
-1
chrome parcel
solemn jewel
My man!
You can't post that here
The Sacred Texts
That knowledge is too much for us here
west fjord
Linux Basics for Hackers, by OccupyTheWeb. @chrome parcel
scenic orchid
@empty cairn I worked creating software for psychologists before and they made me learn about Theory of Mind, you can look it up and it's the base of all of that. Also the mirror neuron system. If I find the articles I'll give you the exact names of the authors
chrome parcel
Is there a pdf link?
empty cairn
@empty cairn I worked creating software for psychologists before and they made me learn about Theory of Mind, you can look it up and it's the base of all of that. Also the mirror neuron system. If I find the articles I'll give you the exact names of the authors
@scenic orchid Thank you so much! I'll read about it
raven axle
looks similar to the CySA+ book
warm vector
@modern elk no
share ur opinion about it with us here then
tnx
opaque vortex
@modern elk just working my way through that book right now. Pretty good book.
formal trail
Hey. Any suggestions for a good book for a complete beginner like me?
cedar plank
in what topic?
opaque vortex
Maybe this one - https://www.amazon.com/Internet-Dummies-John-R-Levine/dp/0764506749
ember dragon
west fjord
Mastering Linux Kernel Development, by Raghu Bharadwaj. Published in 2017. @ember dragon
hearty geyser
Where do you get all these books from @west fjord
west fjord
Check into O'Reilly Online (previously called Safari Books Online). Packt publishing also has it's entire catalog online. @hearty geyser
hearty geyser
Thanks
west fjord
It's like Spotify for books. 🥳
cedar plank
Yeah I have OReilly online
sick hull
Humble Bundle strikes again! 'Data and AI'. Azure, SQL, SAP, R, Neural Networks... Lots of this is over my head, but I'm sure someone will get use from it.
glad patio
Yoinked! Nice find, thanks @sick hull
sick hull
I'm somewhat of a humble bundle addict :p
short carbon
Whats a good follow up book after reading Hacking The Art of Exploitation I haven’t finished it yet but wondering what would be good to read after it
sick hull
I couldn't get through it. I still have it here, I think it's just a bit too full-on for the level I'm at. And have been at
But on amazon I keep getting told to get the Hackers Playbook and RTFM/BTFM
short carbon
I have the RTFM it’s good to look at when what tool to use and how
sick hull
Does it get the Blackout Seal of Approval?
short carbon
Yea it does it helps me so much especially when you’re trying to scroll up and find a command it’s so much easier to find it in the manual
indigo wasp
Can you guys recommend me a book or any resource on how to make your own CTF ?
errant sundial
how to get role?
@radiant scroll Out of interest, how is that related to books?
mental crane
Guys I would like to buy the Shellcoder's Handbook but considering the price I don't want to regret it. What's the recommended knowledge level to enjoy it properly?
west fjord
It is beneficial if you already are familiar with Assembler/C/C++ as programming languages, Unix/Linux as OS, and computer architecture and design in general. @mental crane
Jeff Duntemann's book comes highly recommended; Assembly Language Step-by-Step: Programming with Linux, Third Edition.
warm vector
u can buy the whole book via https://www.buymeacoffee.com/l/H4ckTr1cksW0o
sick zealot
Any suggestions for calculus math books? Please @ me with the suggestions
errant sundial
What sort?
ancient zenith
Didn't realising shaming books was a thing
errant sundial
Welp now there's no context
So I'm going to assume it was about to be a request for PDFs and I could shame them for piracy.
cedar plank
for Calculus, I'd say if you want something deep, I'd go with this https://www.amazon.com/Calculus-4th-Michael-Spivak/dp/0914098918 and if you want something that will get you the basics, I'd go with this https://www.amazon.com/Manga-Guide-Calculus-Hiroyuki-Kojima/dp/1593271948/
chrome parcel
can anyone suggest me a good book on cryptography and encryption
chrome parcel
If you need more of an Applied Cryptography book, look at “Serious Cryptography”, No Starch Press
chrome parcel
thanks for the books
short carbon
Has anyone read Real-World Web Hacking: A Field Guide to Bug Hunting: A Field Guide to Web Hacking? And is it a good read?
gleaming violet
Hi fellow hackers, I'm in love with this community and I'm trying to be 0xD God here but I'm lacking some strategies and logical thinking, Is there any book that can help me upgrade my logical thinking and strategies?
short carbon
I'm reading Hacking The Art of Exploitation which is really good book it teaches you the fundamental techniques of hacking
gleaming violet
Okay! thank you for answering my questions
west fjord
Has anyone read Real-World Web Hacking: A Field Guide to Bug Hunting: A Field Guide to Web Hacking? And is it a good read?
@short carbon It's good. It demonstrates the various vulnerability types with actual real cases that have happened to real companies, instead of merely illustrating it with theoretical cases.
short carbon
Thanks
warm vector
any opinion about this book?
cedar plank
I dunno but whenever I see Packt, I proceed with cautioun
warm vector
@cedar plank reason?
i'm on page 100
it's a good article
Linux Basics for Hackers, by OccupyTheWeb. @chrome parcel
@west fjord did u read his second book?
rich hatch
Packt has a history of publishing books that are inaccurate and/or poorly edited. I have no experience with their infosec books but have experienced this with their game development books
I've read that Linux book from OTW. It's a pretty good Linux primer if you're new
warm vector
@rich hatch tnx
i read some articles from 'em and find out np
by the way
tnx again
I've read that Linux book from OTW. It's a pretty good Linux primer if you're new
@rich hatch i've read that too
that's really good
i'm interested in this new one
cedar plank
and in terms of Packt books, they tend to not have much depth to them, it is very basic, with a book that has 1 review on Amazon and not even someone who has been verified to have bought the book, it also seems very strnage
rich hatch
So just an aspiring master hacker
west fjord
Becoming the Hacker by Adrian Pruteanu is good. Despite it's catchy title, it covers a good amount of hands-on ways to go about exploiting vulnerabilities.
distant coyote
c++
hearty geyser
Eloquent Javascript is an awesome book
You can find it here for free too https://eloquentjavascript.net/
sick hull
Aaaaannnd Humble Bundle Strikes again! Perl, F#, Java, Lisp, R, SQL, Python, Rust C++, JS, Haskall and Assembly, along with a few programming concepts books
hearty geyser
xD @sick hull Scroll upwards a little
cedar plank
it warmed my tiny, cold heart that they included a Perl book in there
solemn jewel
"Learn you a Haskell for great good" is one of the best programming books ever, especially for functional programming / haskell. HIGHLY reccomend the bundle just for that book 😮
quick wharf
Any recommendations for burp suite pro book?
west fjord
Burp Suite Cookbook, by Sunny Wear. She's a great author, who has also done instructional video courses on Burp. @quick wharf
quick wharf
@west fjord Thank you.
cedar plank
oh that is totally what I need, I always feel lost with burp
warm vector
which i guess is why i'm not a master hacker yet
@modern elk update me with ur opinions when u start it
tnx
tranquil yew
what are some books that you all recommend having a physical copy of?
clever flax
Hackers playbook
humble goblet
@tranquil yew the RTFM would be a good answer I think, especially since it's written in a pocket-reference style
although typing long one-liners by hand sucks
gleaming violet
Hi fellow hackers, is there any books that I can read for problem solving and critical thinking
hearty geyser
Decision Making & Problem Solving Strategies John Adair
Bulletproof Problem Solving: The One Skill That Changes Everything
Decision Making and Problem Solving: Break Through Barriers and Banish Uncertainty at Work John Adair```Wow! Thank you
west fjord
Red Team: How to succeed by Thinking Like the Enemy, by Micah Zenko. This book provides insight into out-of-the-box thinking and adversarial-thinking when it comes to the dynamic of offensive- and defensive security. @gleaming violet
gleaming violet
Alright thanks!
warm vector
any opinion about this book?
@warm vector now @ page 200
too many ups and downs and it's a lil messy in topics
but it really worth the time spent on it
west fjord
Finally, some updated books for GIAC certifications:
GCIH: GIAC Certified Incident Handler All-in-One Exam Guide, by Nick Mitropoulos.
GPEN: GIAC Certified Penetration Tester All-in-One Exam Guide, by Raymond Nutting and William MacCormack.
GSEC: GIAC Security Essentials Certification All-in-One Exam Guide, Second Edition, by Ric Messier.
rich hatch
Are those completely new? Didn't know there were books, wonder if they're worthwhile replacements for the courses
robust salmon
yep, by the looks
west fjord
Yeah all three are new, the third one is a second edition, as it was previously published in 2014. Don't know if these will replace any course material from other content providers.
robust salmon
I just ordered the GPEN book, will take a crack at it and see if it's worth it
gleaming violet
any feedback on this book?
short carbon
I haven't read it but I see it get recommended quite a lot, looking at the reviews it takes you from a start to finish on red team engagement
gleaming violet
Wow! That's nice it will be improve my knowledge about read teaming, ight thank you for your feedback!
west fjord
The book is borderline blackhat hacking, so I would not recommend it. @gleaming violet
humble goblet
@gleaming violet you may be interested in this: https://nostarch.com/pentesting
chilly osprey
How one could hack like a pornst⭐r? 🤔
robust salmon
i may be wrong but i think pornstars are pretty bad hackers 4head
humble goblet
@robust salmon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4mZLHDGMqg relevant
gleaming violet
Ight thanks guys!
robust salmon
@robust salmon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4mZLHDGMqg relevant
@humble goblet holy. shit.
cedar plank
Saw this mentioned on another discord, $4.99 for kindle version of Web Application Hackers Handbook https://www.amazon.com/Web-Application-Hackers-Handbook-Exploiting/dp/1118026470
hearty geyser
Or you can just signup for Port Swigger's Web Sec Academy. They released that instead of launching another version of the book
cedar plank
Maybe I looked at the web sec academy but I didn’t understand it. Like it would have a few paragraphs about something and then say ‘here is a website, practice on it’. And I was like uhh what?
rich hatch
It's def structured differently from the book and doesn't have some of the older bits (attacking Silverlight lol) but yeah it's a worthwhile update to the book
humble goblet
@cedar plank check this out: https://portswigger.net/web-security/web-application-hackers-handbook
The web sec academy can be updated. It's also completely free and you only have to sign up to practise in the labs. I've went through most of the material and I remember it being incredibly well laid-out, but nevertheless if you're struggling with it, you should just read up on the topics you're struggling with in other sources. The labs will also help you very much, and you can check the walkthroughs if you find something hard. If you want to make it though, don't give up. You will if you put enough time in.
@modern elk you can start anywhere. Start with whatever is most familiar to you and work towards the rest of the stuff. Some of them are not directly related.
Personally I love books, but in the security field (and sometimes in technology in general) some things become dated quickly. If you read the book, you can at least supplement your learning with the academy as well, at least the labs if nothing else.
hearty geyser
Maybe I looked at the web sec academy but I didn’t understand it. Like it would have a few paragraphs about something and then say ‘here is a website, practice on it’. And I was like uhh what?
@cedar plank Exactly,that's the point
humble goblet
Also if you're struggling with a specific topic, you can ask in #infosec-general. The more specific the question, the easier it will be for someone to explain it to you or point you to the right resource
cedar plank
I think for some a book, even outdated may work better for some people
humble goblet
Well, outdated is maybe fine as long as you have a source from which you get the up-to-date information
but still, this is web hacking, by definition a practical topic. Learn by reading whatever clicks with you, but you'd be better off practising on the labs afterwards
cedar plank
I figured the book had labs? I haven’t looked (and of course it would seem you could use things like Juice shop / Broken Web app)
warm vector
robust salmon
icy lark
Are there any books that teach me how to program with arduino, rasp, or just random chipset?
I dont even know what im talking about
errant sundial
Raspi you can use Python for GPIO quite easily.
I think for some of the others, there's micropython but it's mostly c or cpp. I have an arduino book somewhere that I think I'd recommend, I'll see if I can find the title
Make: Arduino Bots and Gadgets Is the one I have, I think, but there's some other good ones from Make
If you can pick up an ESP8266 based microcontroller, you can do some cool wifi projects
icy lark
Woa insteresting!
Thanks
If you can pick up an ESP8266 based microcontroller, you can do some cool wifi projects
@errant sundial can you give me some examples of "cool wifi projects" made from it?
errant sundial
It can be a full wifi access point or a full client
scenic rock
https://cph.opsdisk.com/
Just found out about this book. I've been trying to understand SSH tunnelling and this is a pretty nice first introduction to the topic, explaining different types of connections with clear examples. I think it's very well worth $5-10 (if you are a student).
placid vigil
What if you’re no longer a student, but now a blob?
chilly osprey
You get banned.
placid vigil
solemn jewel
north spade
@scenic rock There may also be something big planned for teaching that too 👀
scenic rock
Niceee, can't wait
north spade
Good. It's scheduled for January 😆
It's free though
scenic rock
I'll have time to chew through the book then
west fjord
Build Your Own Cybersecurity Testing Lab: Low-cost Solutions for Testing in Virtual and Cloud-based Environments, by Ric Messier. 🥳
west fjord
It is Thor's day, so why not some Cloud pentesting books: 🌩️
Hands-On AWS Penetration Testing with Kali Linux, by K. Gilbert and B. Caudill.
Pentesting Azure Applications: The Definitive Guide to Testing and Securing Deployments, by M. Burrough.
chrome parcel
my copy of the hacker playbook 3 finally arrived today when i ordered it on august 27
prisma coral
@chrome parcel You happy with it? I've been thinking about getting my own copy lately
proven sedge
what are your top 5 books for learning how to hack?
winter marsh
They still use books to teach this? I thought everything had more-or-less transitioned to interactive websites like TryHackMe is?
solemn jewel
Nope!
THM doesn't even cover 20% of the content that can be covered by books 😛
Mostly due to the fact that books have a much larger user base than tryhackme could ever possibly physically hope to achieve 😆
winter marsh
I guess I'm one of those people that can read "point A connects to B" but until I connect point A to B myself, it just doesn't make sense. I'll be interested to hear what people have to say about this though. Last person I heard ask that question got told "any book that teaches you to program, hacking is just taking advantage of the bugs that other programmers leave unpatched"
solemn jewel
it depends on what part of hacking tbh, like web dev there's a new JS framework every minute so any book you write by definition will be outdated but for something like industrial control systems companies use those babies for 30+ years the stuff you learn likely wont be outdated super quickly
dawn parrot
Any recommended books for pentesting Windows?
west fjord
Hands-On Penetration Testing on Windows, by Phil Bramwell. @dawn parrot
A lot of books are introductory/beginner and cover a variation of basic hacking concepts and areas, including how to set up a lab, install VMs, etc. Other books are more hands-on learning, e.g., often labelled cookbooks, that cover actual examples of vulnerabilities and how they are attacked. @winter marsh
proven sedge
thanks boss😎
chrome parcel
@chrome parcel You happy with it? I've been thinking about getting my own copy lately
@prisma coral late response but yes
rich hatch
Yeah I'm studying for AWS SAA so might pick up the practice exam book (even though it's for the old one)
rich hatch
SAA-C02 is the latest/current
humble goblet
Oh that sucks. I would hope you'd get the up to date version if you're paying for it
cedar plank
I wouldn’t use an old book, the changes can mean difference between right or wrong answers
dapper basalt
any good book on reverse engineering
chrome parcel
lucid rampart
plucky torrent
hollow hound
Thank Youuu
warm vector
@dapper basalt r u familliar with assembly ?
west fjord
Practical Binary Analysis: Build Your Own Linux Tools for Binary Instrumentation, Analysis, and Disassembly; by Dennis Andriesse.
Rootkits and Bootkits: Reversing Modern Malware and Next Generation Threats, by A. Matrosov, E. Rodionov, S. Bratus. @dapper basalt
solemn jewel
Any recommendation for ebook about networking
@hollow hound "Compute networking: a top down approach" is my favourite networking book of all time 😄
tidal plume
@hollow hound
Any recommendation for ebook about networking
The Illustrated Network by Walter Goralski is very good. Juniper based but also covers Windows and *nix systems, wireless and other things
west fjord
Real World Python: A Hacker's Guide to Solving Problems with Code, by Lee Vaughan.
boreal vine
@hollow hound
The Illustrated Network by Walter Goralski is very good. Juniper based but also covers Windows and *nix systems, wireless and other things
@tidal plume
I work with Juniper equipment and not being biased but they have some free learning materials on their website learningportal.juniper.net. They also have an app called Junos Genius. Of course some of it is more geared towards learning their OS compared to other competitors but they also have some basic networking level material. There's lots of great networking material out there: books, youtube, simulators. Other networking vendors might provide some free material as well.
hidden kayak
anyone know of any good books on nation state APT's
not necessarily technical books, more just stories
rich hatch
@hidden kayak Sandworm is a great one. There's also The Hacker and the State but haven't read that
solemn jewel
Countdown to Zero Day is a great book about Stuxnet
cedar plank
there is always a new humble book sale
chrome parcel
Ik but I really wanted this one, thought it ended today.
hidden kayak
anybody read The Perfect Weapon: War, Sabotage, and Fear in the Cyber Age
dapper basalt
Malware writing Book
solemn jewel
@dapper basalt ?
mortal wedge
there’s not a lot of malware development books only really malware analysis and c
most of the malware dev stuff you’ll find with papers and stuff like that
vague helm
Anyone knows any really good books about networking?
robust salmon
if you can grab a Cisco CCNA R&S book, you'll learn the most from there
you'd be looking for ICND1/2
west fjord
Network Security Assessment: Know Your Network, Third Edition, by Chris McNab. @vague helm
solemn jewel
I loved networking: a top down approach
vague helm
ty
humble goblet
I can't wait for that practical python book someone mentioned
It's coming out next month iirc
west fjord
Real World Python? @humble goblet
humble goblet
Yeee
west fjord
Yeah, O'Reilly online is always ahead of Amazon release dates. 🙂
dapper basalt
Good site to solve coding problems and learn more about algo and Data structures
humble goblet
@dapper basalt #resources message
clever flax
Someone already read this one? Blue Team Handbook: SOC, SIEM, and Threat Hunting (V1.02): A Condensed Guide for the Security Operations Team and Threat Hunter
west fjord
Very practical insights in that handbook. @clever flax
clever flax
Thanks!
humble goblet
@west fjord if you have any other good recommendations, pls shoot (especially blue team stuff) 😄
west fjord
A higher level overview: Defensive Security Handbook, by L. Brotherston and A. Berlin.
More tool-oriented: Cybersecurity Blue Team Toolkit, by Nadean H. Tanner.
humble goblet
why you using the channel like google? lol
sick hull
Bunch of geeky books. From Python to Quantum Mechanics, Artificial intelligence and Data Mining to.. Umm.. Waste management for some reason.
humble goblet
still waiting for a decent security bundle
not that aws stuff though, and not packt
mortal wedge
I mean really the only time you can get a nice bundle for security is when they do a no starch bundle everything else is generally meh
tidal plume
@boreal vine Yeah I did a lot of work with Juniper years ago. I've done a few of their certs and I've read many of their O'Reilly and Day One books. I even had a Juniper SRX as my home firewall at one stage
magic compass
Finally got a copy of The Art of Memory Forensics. Super dense but boy is this a interesting topic.
autumn jungle
Does any have links to free ebooks with info
Programming,AI, quantum, hacking, etc.
chrome parcel
@autumn jungle No links
errant sundial
@chrome parcel Please don't promote piracy.
autumn jungle
Oh?
chrome parcel
I will put it in book club
It is a gitbook
@autumn jungle https://vulp3cula.gitbook.io/hackers-grimoire/
One of many
You can also read blog posts and other articles online
You have a question there is somewhere online with an answer
humble goblet
@autumn jungle https://book.hacktricks.xyz/ the content of this site is available as a book (for a price). So not a free book, but the content is available for free
autumn jungle
Thanks👍
west fjord
Another free gitbook https://sushant747.gitbooks.io/total-oscp-guide/content/
mental pond
what would be a "really good" one? I saw a recommendation in one of the room
west fjord
what would be a "really good" one? I saw a recommendation in one of the room
@mental pond Good one for what in particular topic?
dapper basalt
what is a gitbook
dapper basalt
OOO
so its legal @solemn jewel(so they are documented notes)
?
Another free gitbook https://sushant747.gitbooks.io/total-oscp-guide/content/
@west fjord Full OSCP course book LOL Thanks to sharing
south kayak
Just got my copy of the Operator Handbook, there is really cool stuff in here and excellent cheat-sheets/user-guides.
humble goblet
thanks for bringing that to my attention
hearty geyser
No Paperback ! Shoot
proven oasis
Which books can you recommended to learn hacking?
eg:
https://www.amazon.de/Penetration-Testing-Hands-Introduction-Hacking/dp/1593275641/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=Penetration+Testing%3A+A+Hands+On+Introduction+to+Hacking&qid=1603977433&s=books&sr=1-2
And can you recommend this udemy course?:
https://www.udemy.com/course/learn-ethical-hacking-from-scratch/
errant sundial
I'd recommend TCM's courses tbh
proven oasis
I'd recommend TCM's courses tbh
@errant sundial What do you mean with TCM? So what does TCM mean?
errant sundial
The cyber mentor
proven oasis
The cyber mentor
@errant sundial And which course would you prefer? Can you probably send a link?
errant sundial
I'm a firm believer on pushing people to do their own research. Take a look at what's offered and see what's most attractive to you. Taking into account price and content covered.
proven oasis
I'm a firm believer on pushing people to do their own research. Take a look at what's offered and see what's most attractive to you. Taking into account price and content covered.
@errant sundial Alright. So Im taking research. But would you recommended to get a book additionally to the course?
errant sundial
I can't really recommend any specific books, most of hacking is about practice
cloud saffron
A little dated but the methodology still holds true
Oh jeez the convos a day old
rich hatch
Dat Discord scrollback
full cobalt
Im trying to get into this reading stuff but its not striking my fancy.
videos are where its at.
west fjord
videos are where its at.
@full cobalt I'd say a combination of both is great. Conceptual and theory learning from a book, and hands-on applied practical learning from a video. Or in more modern courseware, they have a modular approach where they start each module with the theory, followed by a video to see this applied in-action as you will.
humble goblet
I find it much easier to follow something in a book. You can go immediately wherever you need (I'm talking about technical books though, not just dry text). In a video it's much harder to get to a specific point, and much harder to go at your own pace
that said, of course some concepts are best explained in a video
west fjord
Yeah, it also depends on the format of a video. If it's a video of a 100 slides, I'd rather read the slides. Visual instruction is ideal for hands-on teaching / demonstration, instead of static pictures in a book.
rich hatch
Videos are my secondary source when I want to reinforce things I've already tried to remember through reading a book or practice. Was actually a chore to go through all of Prof. Messer's Sec+ videos and the ones for PWK/OSCP
humble goblet
^ exactly. I'd much rather have all of that in a book
full cobalt
I'm dyslexic so I generally gravitate towards other means, such as the videos, in order to be able to focus on the actual reading material. Most of the time the effort lies in the reading so I learn the material but just takes 2x the time.
what books would you guys recommend I add to my list @humble goblet. I'm always looking to expand my knowledge.
humble goblet
if you're looking on something like an introduction to pentesting, then this is a good one: https://nostarch.com/pentesting
oh, just found out there's a discount on all security related books over here: https://nostarch.com/catalog/security
rich hatch
Nice I was actually looking at Web Security for Developers earlier
full cobalt
What a good rule of thumb for clicking on links in this discord.
rich hatch
Don't
Also dat cover https://nostarch.com/sites/default/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/cyberjutsu_6x9_front_v01.png
ancient zenith
What a good rule of thumb for clicking on links in this discord.
@full cobalt Shouldn't have an issue tbf, but always be careful, use common sense and do some research.
polar saddle
guys any good book to learn js? looking to learn it more in depht
north spade
There's a room coming out on it soon @polar saddle
hearty geyser
https://eloquentjavascript.net/ @polar saddle
polar saddle
ty
hearty geyser
quick wyvern
Opinions on "shellcoders handbook" and "hacking the art of exploitation" ?
errant sundial
I like shellcoders handbook
robust salmon
ive heard good things
proven oasis
best 2 books to get into pentesting except from https://nostarch.com/pentesting
formal hearth
best 2 books to get into pentesting except from https://nostarch.com/pentesting
@proven oasis 2014 is a bit old?
south kayak
I probably wouldn't recommend that book, the author has an updated book releasing soon, there was a good section on binary exploitation in there iirc tho
but the methodology in there is solid, and worth skimming overall
cedar plank
she said she is releasing it 'soon' but who knows what that means, I'd guess early next year
proven oasis
I probably wouldn't recommend that book, the author has an updated book releasing soon, there was a good section on binary exploitation in there iirc tho
@south kayak how will be the book called?
humble goblet
@proven oasis https://nostarch.com/pentesting 2nd edition 😛
proven oasis
@proven oasis https://nostarch.com/pentesting 2nd edition 😛
@humble goblet But where is it written? 😄 I dont see anything about the 2nd edition lol 😄
humble goblet
just look up her name, you'll find it
west fjord
Before books are released for sale, there are Early Access editions of some of the No Starch press books. These are unfinished/incomplete editions that are given for review or feedback/given to people who pre-order a book. I'll check if there's one for the Second Edition of Penetration Testing.
rich hatch
I may be misremembering but I think she will self-publish the second edition, it won't come from No Starch
humble goblet
https://www.patreon.com/georgiaweidman scroll down a bit
dawn parrot
What are generally good books that have been released recently (last couple of years )
west fjord
What are generally good books that have been released recently (last couple of years )
@dawn parrot About?
dawn parrot
@west fjord generally anything like pentesting , security.
west fjord
Penetration Testing Basics, by Ric Messier.
humble goblet
@west fjord you know soon everyone's going to be asking you to compile your own list, right?
west fjord
It's a very long list.
humble goblet
you mean one list to rule them all
cedar plank
Tim did post his top 5 books not long ago, I think we need to all read like tim
quaint hatch
If anyone haven't read it and want a Greek mythological fiction, then I'd strongly suggest, The song of Achilles
It is one of the finest I've read in mythology.
It will make you laugh and will make you cry, but will leave you content.
solemn jewel
Bookclubbers! The subreddit is building a Definitive™️ list of TryHackMe's favourite books. Post your lists below, preferably in a format like:
networking:
book1
book2
book3
IOS
book1
book2
Red Teaming
book1
book2
``` etc@west fjord if you have a spare 72 hours to write all of the books you like out I'd appreciate it 😄
quaint hatch
Can add fiction?
solemn jewel
Sure I'll move it down the list
west fjord
@west fjord if you have a spare 72 hours to write all of the books you like out I'd appreciate it 😄
@solemn jewel 😄 👍 🥳
hoary mortar
@stray oar this chat
stray oar
Yes
barren carbon
Does anyone have any recommendations for books to read to get into pentesting and cybersecurity. I’m new to this field and I really wanna dive in it. Doing stuff in thm and get advanced enough for higher level activities.
humble goblet
scroll up
lime tusk
@barren carbon https://www.ceos3c.com/hacking/the-best-hacking-books/
scenic rock
My library is very smol, but these are my recommendations @solemn jewel
Operating systems:
Modern Operating Systems (4th edition) by Andrew Tanenbaum
x86 Assembly:
Assembly Language Step by Step (3rd ed.) by Jeff Duntemann
You recommend that book? Interesting
solemn jewel
I can say Modern OS is good
scenic rock
It's the only book I have, so I can't really compare but I liked them
solemn jewel
not sure about assembly language
errant sundial
Yeah £57 not so good
rich hatch
This list is kind of all over the place but
Stories
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers by Andy Greenberg
Cult of the Dead Cow: How the Original Hacking Supergroup Might Just Save the World by Joseph Menn
Permanent Record by Edward Snowden
Software Development
The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr and George Spafford
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values by Robert M. Pirsig
The Pragmatic Programmer: Your Journey to Mastery by Andy Hunt
For Aspiring Hackers
Breaking into Information Security: Learning the Ropes 101 by Andy Gill
Tribe of Hackers: Cybersecurity Advice from the Best Hackers in the World by Marcus J. Carey and Jennifer Jin
Linux Basics for Hackers: Getting Started with Networking, Scripting, and Security in Kali by OccupyTheWeb
Mindset
Seeking Wisdom: From Darwin To Munger by Peter Bevelin
A Spy's Guide to Thinking by John Braddock
Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit by John E. Douglas and Mark Olshaker (trigger warning)
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mortal wedge
I can smash it with my hammer a few times?
solemn jewel
cry pls fix
solemn jewel
thankss cryyy
upper sand
Hey i drive for my 9-5 job is there any audiobooks that someone can recommend?
mortal wedge
not really an audio book but I would highly recommend the darknet diaries podcast
or the TMHC podcast
rich hatch
I read the ones I listed above as audiobooks and highly recommend them
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers by Andy Greenberg
Cult of the Dead Cow: How the Original Hacking Supergroup Might Just Save the World by Joseph Menn
Permanent Record by Edward Snowden
pallid quiver
hi
bitter canopy
Someone knows one book of php scripting?
dapper basalt
Book on computer graphics programming
manic pond
anyone doing the JavaScript book? i just got this book
i meant to say JavaScript room
leaden wraith
Any free books? Limited time or something?
mortal wedge
geez url tracking much
normal ether
is there hypertext feature on discord?