and i think having bullshit caves could be very fun
#PIKMIN
tired quiver
ah wait fuuu i can't make a beeline for musical instruments there's the whole "save olimar" schtick
gotta save some leaflings then go on night expeditions...
burnt orchid
Bubba just left after asking all that stuff about wanting to buy the game for the birthday gift or not
burnt orchid
I mean like he left the conversation 😂 my b
tired quiver
ohh
fossil steeple
Yeah, pretty much (though I did emulate the first game for a little bit once) and I really liked the demo
fossil steeple
Bubba just left after asking all that stuff about wanting to buy the game for th...
Yeah, sorry, got distracted lol
tired quiver
i think i did all the night missions on my first playthrough
they were very fun !
challenging but not overwhelmingly so
burnt orchid
leaf pikmin being slow and falling behind while following you is bad design
thats why pikmin 4 is goat by a lot
dense laurel
burnt orchid
Someone remind me where you get Russ
I don't think a red only is possible
Isn't that him
sage jetty
told ya it was red and ice
burnt orchid
So I have been doing the only red Pikmin and only ice pickman challenge run
It's really not that much of a challenge
Because you can still unlock the electricity protection for ochi and there's so many treasures that are high up, but you can knock down with a charge from ochi
Crystal walls you're supposed to use rocks but you can use bombs
Underwater stuff you can use ochi
Caves you can use glow pikmin for everything
I was thinking about making a video about this but there's almost no point lop
sullen elbow
Headed back home today. So will be giving Pikmin 4 some solid consideration to get now.
burnt orchid
.
tired quiver
Annoying people when you like a game:
wheat hinge
you never said that
tired quiver
I never said what
wheat hinge
probably hasn't even played Pikmin 2 and just watched Schafrillas' vid
Schafrillas and its consequences have been a disaster for online opinions
burnt orchid
dense laurel
.
If the Pikmin 2 caves aren't good, why are there remastered versions of them in Pikmin 4, huh huh
owned bozo rest in pieces 
dense laurel
nuh uh
burnt orchid
- they're not randomly generated
wheat hinge
i feel like im watching a battle between intellectuals
burnt orchid
the battle hasn't even begun 
dense laurel
1. they're not randomly generated <a:TE_PeepoGiggle:855229159034716191>
okay but what's the point of not making them randomly generated if they are going to half baked dandori stages anyways
they don't even put falling bulbears in them
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
they just don't make em like they used to
burnt orchid
you might call them half baked, but it's better than pik2 caves which weren't even half baked they were raw 🔥
there are falling dwarf bulbears in some
and time moves underground, so there's incentive to do dandori
dense laurel
<:Nerd_Actually:1120826838491611167> there are falling dwarf bulbears in some
||yeah in the sage leaf trials, which aren't caves ||
dense laurel
and time moves underground, so there's incentive to do dandori
doesn't matter since there's no time limit at all in this game
burnt orchid
i mean, it's a cave
but you still wanna get stuff done so you dont have to start over at the beginning of the day
know what i mean
dense laurel
how come no time limit is a negative for Pikmin 2 but irrelevant and not that bad for Pikmin 4
at least Pikmin 3 added that back somewhat with the juice
burnt orchid
juice was always a good mechanic imo
dense laurel
I would prefer a hard time limit like in 1, but I can't say the juice is bad either
sage jetty
how come no time limit is a negative for Pikmin 2 but irrelevant and not that ba...
it sure is negative for the castaways trapped in the caves if you take 100 days to rescue them 
dense laurel
it sure is negative for the castaways trapped in the caves if you take 100 days ...
Think of the hocotate loan sharks and their missing loaned pokos 100 days after the president ditched the planet 
where's their rescue corps, huh huh
burnt orchid
i prefer the time limit 
but even when there's no time limit in pik2 / pik4 im still going quick, just becaues that's more enjoyable
i will replay pik1 and there's zero chance im even getting close to 30 days but im still going quick
there's the cult of the dandori in pik4 , all these characters are telling how to be resourceful and efficient so that pushes you to discover the fun of dandori 🙂
the bigger problem in pik2, it didnt even seem like it was made to have dandori gameplay in mind, like pik1 - moreso about killing enemies in enclosed scenarios which is still fun
pik 2 has too much waiting 🥱 if you play pik1, pik3, or pik4 well... there should be little to no waiting
dense laurel
I don't want to call you bad, but if you find yourself waiting in an RTS game, then you kinda suck
burnt orchid
that's what im saying, pikmin 2 is hardly an RTS game
it's more of a dungeon crawler
and it's not even really a dungeon crawler game
dense laurel
then you would agree Pikmin 4's main campaign is also hardly an RTS game, right?
burnt orchid
you enter a room with 1 boss and 1 item inside the boss.
kill boss
item falls out
get item
wait for item to go back to ship
do this 20 times
This is just the purest example, there's lots of little times where you need to wait
how do you avoid this hmm 
all pikmin games besides 2 are RTS games, they're just really weird RTS games lol
well obs 2 is an RTS it's just not a good one
dense laurel
you enter a room with 1 boss and 1 item inside the boss.
kill boss
item falls ou...
Well for one, you are cherry picking boss rooms, only exception is the giant Breadbug and Titan Dweevil. Second, this purest example is also Pikmin 4 caves, but somehow it's better? Oh but sure it's more developed and evolved since instead of the game randomly deciding that the treasure will be inside a boss, a dev did it
sage jetty
pikmin is aaaaall about that carrying action
if you see the little guys holding the thingies with their small hands, moving their tiny feets, humming while they walk and it does nothing for ya, maybe play a different game
dense laurel
all pikmin games besides 2 are RTS games, they're just really weird RTS games lo...
NGL, Pikmin is like baby's first RTS franchise anyways and play more like adventure games, so I find it bizarre when people praise the RTS core but then go back on it and downplay it when it's no longer what they find fun
like it's okay to say you don't like playing RTS games
burnt orchid
pikmin is aaaaall about that carrying action
if you see the little guys holding ...
yes when two groups of pikmin are moving something at the same time, it does something for me 
burnt orchid
Well for one, you are cherry picking boss rooms, only exception is the giant Bre...
I used boss rooms as the purest example, like I said
Ya it's better because the layouts of the caves are less linear / smaller but with more paths
sage jetty
dense laurel
Just don't hype up being a dandori master and then crumble when a game forces improvisation and task management in other ways outside of a giant ticking timer
burnt orchid
the cave layouts in 2 have actual literal zero thoughts put into them because they're random
dense laurel
yeah, like the submerged castle, right?
or like the Bulblax Kingdom
Or the White Flower Garden or the Emergence Caves
Or the Snagret Hole or Hole of Beasts
all those 100% randomly generated caves with 0 human intervention in their design
burnt orchid
I can't recall those exact layouts but there's a reason submerged castle is the most fun
when i think of a lame cave sublevels, it's like this
a long, almost straight path
you collect treasure a long the way
even if you let them carry it back as you find them, you still need to wait for the last treasure
burnt orchid
pair this with all the non-gameplay waiting parts
like the tutorials and the treasure collections cutscenes and your patience is already low
sage jetty
treasure collection scenes should've been in 4
burnt orchid
soul
I do agree that games that are rough around the edges have character
can't trim all the fat..... but I don't like waiting 
dense laurel
when i think of a lame cave sublevels, it's like this
a long, almost straight p...
where are your whites
you are aware there's no penalty on losing them, right
also red potions are so easy to grind in this game apparently, how come you don't have a bunch of them to spam
time management doesn't matter in this game, remember? You can afford it
burnt orchid
you are aware there's no penalty on losing them, right
losing what?
sage jetty
getting stuff in two is cool because you immediately know its worth and name they think it's appropiate
in 4 the ship just sucks stuff up
no comment, no price
sure you get the sparklium amount at the top but literally who cares about how much sparklium a toy or cookie has
dense laurel
losing what?
white pikmin
You are on the second sublevel of the snaggret hole, meaning that you have already visited the perplexing pool and have moved onto the mid game, how come you don't have more whites anyways
burnt orchid
getting stuff in two is cool because you immediately know its worth and name the...
isn't that what the treasure collection is for
dense laurel
didn't you just complain about getting swamped with useless menus lol
burnt orchid
yes I did
sage jetty
isn't that what the treasure collection is for
yes but that's something you can access later
i want it to be an active part of the gameplay 
let me rotate the collectible
dense laurel
yes I did
so now suddenly the treasure collector being accessible through 2 menus and an end day's cutscenes is acceptable
instead of just, seeing it right after getting it
burnt orchid
It's a guy at the base, you have to go talk to him
how is that getting swamped with menus
you never even need to see it when you play
dense laurel
also how come that wasn't a problem in Pikmin 1? You even got a cutscene upon first seeing a ship part
burnt orchid
I don't like that either but there's only 30
less interruptions overall in that game
but also like 90% shorter lmao
sage jetty
you never even need to see it when you play
you should!
when getting an object has the same impact as gathering some rocks or spicy juice, it is not good
give cutscene...
dense laurel
It's a guy at the base, you have to go talk to him
how is that getting swamped w...
I get a cool treasure and I want to see it, but now I have to end the day, get the end of the day cutscene, get the results of the day, treasure's collected (again), pikmin stuff (all things that used to be part of 2 menus at most in pikmin 1-3 btw) and then check missions, end of the day cutscenes with the characters, start a new day and then walk up to the guy, talk through my completed missions and then finally see the treasure menu
burnt orchid
you should!
when getting an object has the same impact as gathering some rocks o...
I get that, when it's the first time collecting it
I understand where you're coming from but it's not for me
sage jetty
obviously not asking another screen for repeated objects
burnt orchid
I get a cool treasure and I want to see it, but now I have to end the day, get t...
idk, it's just a fun thing to look at after you've made certain progress in the game
I've look at the treasure collection a few times
if only the switch had a second screen - could display the treasure there
sage jetty
thats fine but pikmin 2 treasures are more memorable as a result
the game gives them time
burnt orchid
ya unlike 3, which are fruits
wheat hinge
if only the switch had a second screen - could display the treasure there <a:TE_...
NINTENDO SWITCH U
sage jetty
burnt orchid
they do show you a zoomed in durits at the end of the day tho lol
sage jetty
true
burnt orchid
oh ya
sage jetty
upgrades
sage jetty
my food is beeping at me
pikmin reference
dense laurel
I get a cool treasure and I want to see it, but now I have to end the day, get t...
mind you that this issue could also be way better if you could access the piklopedia and treasure menu on your useless ipad
like why not add them there
sage jetty
so true
burnt orchid
but i like learning about how people feel about pikmin 2 so I can pander and or anger the pik2 fans in the videos
sage jetty
dense laurel
I can respect that actually 
burnt orchid
pik4 playthru part 1 coming out saturday and will def ruffle feathers and pander at the same time yipeee
dense laurel
mind you that this issue could also be way better if you could access the piklop...
can you complain about this for me Tev
I will leave a like and comment
promise
dense laurel
wheat hinge
dense laurel
also I saw this and thought it was a dumb theory so I check and sure enough, it's canon
so bulbmins were in pikmin 3 and 4 all along guys
sage jetty
nuh uh
dense laurel
sage jetty
no bulbmin
dense laurel
parasitic mins
dense laurel
even thought that's not what a parasite is and whoever describe ice and rock pikmins as parasites have no fucking clue what they are talking about but whatever
terse wave
Blue pikmin are just parasite pikmin invading water
dense laurel
according to whoever was writing the pikmin 4 flavor text, yeah
sage jetty
what are purple pikmin parasites invading
terse wave
The color purple
sage jetty
dense laurel
tired quiver
also I saw this and thought it was a dumb theory so I check and sure enough, it'...
rock pikmin aren't "probably" parasites
they ARE parasites
burnt orchid
i needa source 
tired quiver
the literal game
tired quiver
the literal piklopedia entry of both ice and rock pikmin
literal
i am being literal
burnt orchid
tired quiver
tell that to nintendo
burnt orchid
sounds more like a hermit crab
sage jetty
which entry says they are parasites
who wrote it
olimar has made mistakes in the past btw
tired quiver
both the new guy and olimar
sage jetty
considering olimar and sometimes louie base their own writings based on whatever the new guy wrote first, im going to assume they both got it wrong
tired quiver
i think one of them even say rock candypop buds store rock in them so the pikmins can infect them
tired quiver
considering olimar and sometimes louie base their own writings based on whatever...
Seb reading information from a game : It Cannot Be True I Refuse
burnt orchid
dalmo
tired quiver
Darth Vader is Luke's father
Seb: i'm going to assume this isn't true
dense laurel
Okay but, for a game that actually does implement actual biological and taxanomic information in flavour text, calling ice and rock pikmins parasites is just a huge oversight
A parasite cannot use a rock or ice as a host, since they lack metabolisms to leech off. They would literally die
sage jetty
Darth Vader is Luke's father
Seb: i'm going to assume this isn't true
i mean, did vader raise him? 
tired quiver
A parasite cannot use a rock or ice as a host, since they lack metabolisms to le...
for the rock pikmin they get in there and store their organs in the rock idk how that works
sage jetty
the rock is not alive
tired quiver
the pikmin wiki is literal garbage it's a shame that they don't even have all the piklopedia entries on there 2 weeks after release
dense laurel
The correct term for Ice and Rock pikmins would be ostracomorphs, meaning that they rely on external materials (like ice or rocks) to live (think hermit crabs)
tired quiver
yes their canonical name is "hermikmin" btw
dense laurel
Just change the refrence to parasite to ostracomorphs and I would have no issues, hell I would even say it's cool
tired quiver
the rock pikmin isn't a pikmin, it's an "hermikmin"
dense laurel
so someone in the Pikmin 3 dev team knows what they are talking about
where are they nintendo
dense laurel
like I said, whoever wrote these have a poor understanding on how parasites work
burnt orchid
biology is only a hobby for olimar 
sage jetty
exactly
burnt orchid
it's funny to think of using a rock like that parasitic
it's a rock
dense laurel
Someone buy him a parasitology book
tired quiver
olimar uses smart words therefore i believe him
dense laurel
This is the biology equivalent of how movie writers think guns work
tired quiver
what do you mean guns dont shoot the whole bullet + casing
dense laurel
You can actually shoot more bullets than the amount the mag physically carries, you just have to believe in yourself
tired quiver
my organs grow in my pants
sage jetty
i mean they do
you usually grow up wearing clothes
dense laurel
I saw this woman carrying this parasite in a stroller once 
tired quiver
how the fuck does Louie eat creatures when he cannot remove his helmet at risk of literally dying of oxygen poisoning
terse wave
Built different
dense laurel
same way your crew can tell time moves slowly underground for you while they are still above ground themselves
sage jetty
terse wave
dense laurel
That one hurts to watch 
burnt orchid
burnt orchid
royal spindleBOT
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Lf6w2C/
burnt orchid
royal spindleBOT
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Lf1HAV/
burnt orchid
is it possible to beat pikmin 4 without killing a creature
onyx roost
You need to kill some enemies to save Shepherd in the first cave
They don't count as boss
burnt orchid
how about only in the levels
and save olimar
also, can you guess the combination to the safe
burnt orchid
You could guess one number
If you got to cards
sage jetty
doing the red+ice run
mostly eh though the funniest part is having to avoid every wild pikmin encounter in caves
some of those are tricky
you know how enemies can't respawn on the surface?
someone should do a run where they only kill mandatory/treasure enemies
burnt orchid
bro i tried the pacifist pikmin challenge
no killing enemies, idk if it's possible but it's not fun so far i dont think ill continue
can't move your base because enemies block it
enemies in the way, pikmin carry stuff back but get eaten long the way then kill the enemy on their own
but ya i got kinda bored of the red+ice run and avoiding them was funny one time i just started picking some yellows like 
hey what am i doing
sage jetty
can't move your base because enemies block it
mandatory
you can't do night runs without them i think
terse wave
burnt orchid
the scary bs moments are the best parts of pikmin 2
burnt orchid
dense laurel
dandori issue ngl
pastel spade
I need to start doing this from now on
tired quiver
my acceptance of being shit at games renders me incapable of doing this
i'm like
-man i don't want to wash my dishes
-dandori issue
-yes, you are correct, now let's watch some breaking bad
burnt orchid
based
burnt orchid
onyx roost
Pikmin 3 was really Pikmin 4 all along
clever sequoia
pikmin
tired quiver
dandori invitational at Super Smash Con https://www.twitch.tv/coney
I didn't think Pikmin Dandori Battles could be so HYPE
sage jetty
pikmin vs mode is wild if both players know how to play
tired quiver
all the players in the tourney know how to play here it goes crazy
sage jetty
tired quiver
Grand Finals will be Shuton (Olimar main in Smash) vs Kiwi (Pikmin speedrunner)
grand finals right now https://www.twitch.tv/coney
SHUTON WINNNNNNS
burnt orchid
tired quiver
grub shitto!!
terse wave
My pikmin when the see a water
terse wave
sage jetty
https://fxtwitter.com/QuentinPicksMen/status/1690803298150850560?s=20
they don't bring the corpses
burnt orchid
lol depends if it's possible to get more points with the time bonus
dense laurel
I always went for them anyways because high score funni
burnt orchid
im tryna figure out if it's possible to get a higher score on some levels if u don't collect the enmies 
dense laurel
depends on whether the time saved by not killing an enemy outweighs the time earned
burnt orchid
even more so the time it takes to bring it back
scarlet musk
Peakmin
dense laurel
Only real ones will understand
quaint plover
terse wave
So true
dense laurel
Should dogs like Oatchi and Moss return in the next game
like should they become mainstays in the franchise
terse wave
They should definitely be rebalanced
Having all pikmin stick on Oatchi’s back makes bosses too easy
sonic hatchBOT
burnt orchid
terse wave
Omg hi miyamoto
terse wave
sage jetty
Go inside dandorian challenge hole
Leafling tells me they own both the treasures and pikmins in the cave but they'll lend them to me during the challenge
Beat challenge
Leafling falls into a coma
Grab them and escape,leaving the treasures and pikmin in the cave
dense laurel
dandoriiiiiiii
dense laurel
dandori...
sage jetty
Spend all game collecting sparklium
Go into dandori duel
"Bring back treasures and creatures to the onion to earn dandorium"
dense laurel
burnt orchid
why not use sparklium
how would that work if you got sparklium? could u grind for sparklium? it creates a different goal for challenges 
sage jetty
the fact you do not bring with you any pikmin or treasures from the challenge things means sparklium stays there too 
burnt orchid
ya but u can imagine that'd be frustrating to like a new player
like o look at all this easy treasure (cuz they're just focused on the end goal)
sage jetty
it would help people fix their dandori issues
burnt orchid
wdym, it might defocus their goals monis! Think of the children!
onyx roost
Tbh they justify that the dandori challenge treasures are all fake
Are the pikmin fake too?
Impostermin perhaps
sage jetty
should've used bulbmin for the challenges
terse wave
Should’ve used bulbmin for the challenges
burnt orchid
true!
dense laurel
willow gorge
clever sequoia
I love men
terse wave
So true 
dense laurel
wise stratus
dense laurel
damn
terse wave
Send those sinners to the afterlife
keen sundial
Pokémin
terse wave
ME WHEN I PIK THE MIN 
dense laurel
Man I love Pikmin so much
tired quiver
What happened
sonic hatchBOT
terse wave
Pikmin be so goated fr fr
onyx roost
I ate pikmin
verbal rose
I ate pikmin
burnt orchid
it is good
sage jetty
I should play Pikmin 4 again now that a year has passed
wdym pikmin 4 is a 2023 title what
dense laurel
And more control settings would go a long way too
dense laurel
I know the horse is a fine red mist, but even if it's just the ability to toggle qol stuff like auto-lock and the throw limit, it would significantly increased my enjoyment
mouse aim would be insane
burnt orchid
