French armored infantry only has Daigre armor, Lancier armor or heavier metal breastplates would be cool to see. Stormtrooper class could have the Zigouilleur style vests as well for some more variety.
#More variety for French uniforms
junior parcel
foggy ingot
Ftr
first picture i've never seen evidence that armor actually existed, it's not a daigre
second picture is americans
third picture is officers
junior parcel
Ftr
first picture i've never seen evidence that armor actually existed, it's no...
I can't speak for how common the two body armors are. There is only the drawn image, labelled as "Lancier" armor in some versions, and the officers wearing metal are apparatly just conducting tests. But those Americans are presumably fighting in the French army so I see no reason why their gear couldn't be included among what we have for the stormtrooper already.
foggy ingot
the american armor is experimental and for the american army, there's a couple other french armors they could add though. But i'm pretty sure they know of em
junior parcel
When I said Americans I was talking about the men wearing the fur/wool vests. I thought that's who you were referring to when you mentioned Americans.
foggy ingot
oh no those ones aren't
granite urchin
granite urchin
captain fronce
steady adder
I can't speak for how common the two body armors are. There is only the drawn im...
For that one
you'll need to consult the associated osprey book
see where the author got it from
Usually they're images are based on stuff in archives
“cuirasse abdominale” introduced in jan 1916, by Louis Adrian.
🤔
I've never seen mention of lancier other than that pic
but i never read that osprey.
foggy ingot
I've never seen mention of lancier other than that pic
same, and i saw a ton of french armor stuff.
granite urchin
foggy ingot
visibly different from the offsprey drawing
granite urchin
I know, I just wanted to show it off.
junior parcel
I'm far from being an expert on the subject matter, so it's no surprise that I may be using less than accurate examples. The point that I'm trying to make still stands though, the French faction has a need for more variety in their uniforms to bring them closed to what the British and German ones have. I didnt even mention it, but the hooded and masked coats that the British snipers have were also used by the French from what I can tell.
granite urchin
I'm far from being an expert on the subject matter, so it's no surprise that I m...
The French had their own camouflage suits
junior parcel
The French had their own camouflage suits
Yeah these are what I was thinking of
foggy ingot
I really wish people care for team visual cohesion to any extent
instead of just adding piles and piles of new random stuff to all factions that all gets mixed together until no one can tell who's on who's side until they get a good full body view on them from head to toe in good lighting
junior parcel
Are any of these really that far afield from the typical French uniforms? I get that you want to prevent creeping into territory that is ahistorical but having only one uniform for the armored infantry is kind of boring.
foggy ingot
if it's just a piece of armor covering the torso it can fit. The vast majority of cosmetic suggestions though are much more than that
junior parcel
They already have unforms that are that color for the stormtrooper and light gunner and many other classes and their helmet covers.
foggy ingot
i know. The green uniforms were a mistake
So were mixing uniforms from the entirety of the war
It's now up to the point that it hampers potential for the game's future
i'd love austro-hungarians to be added for example. But if you mix uniforms from all years like for everyone else, austro hungarian and french troopers will have areas of massive overlap in terms of what they look like
junior parcel
I think that's a bit of an stretch to say having uniforms from different periods of the war hampers this game's potential. I could see a solution though where different campaigns take place in different eras, but still I dont think it's negatively impacting the game as it stands.
foggy ingot
Similarly, i don't know if i'm for it but i'm mixed on the addition of prone as a mechanic. However, if you allow people to go prone, to identify who's on what team you'll often have to go off what they wear on their head alone.
Fun game: what faction is this man from
junior parcel
French heavy gunner
foggy ingot
You know it 'cause you played it. But no one that hasn't will get it
junior parcel
Fair enough
I still think uniform variety only helps the game appeal to more players. Like I said though there might be a solution to the issue you bring up while still having more uniforms in the game. Having campaigns set during a specific era that limits the style of uniform to match what stage of the war is being fought. You'd also have to get rid of tanks and maybe introduce cavalry to the game to get a more authentic early war but it would be cool to see.
foggy ingot
It would need a fundamental rework of how uniform unlocks work
It would not work with the next faction being added to the game
And it would not work with weapons. Since you go the route of either having MP18s with 1914 uniforms, or you disable the overwhelming majority of weapons in game, and create big balancing issues for factions as some will get some weapons earlier than others
junior parcel
Weapon balance would need to be maintained for sure, so there may be some innacuracies there. Early war would have a completely different feel to the mid or late war, as it should. I dont believe having fewer weapons would be entirely unwelcome if we had cavalry and new maps specific for that era. But I'd love to hear any ideas you have.
foggy ingot
We just got out of a period of time where in the top 3 complaints players had about the game was that they felt locked of roles with unique weapons too much and they disliked being forced to play rifleman and engi most of the time. Changing weaponry to fit the campaign year would mean that with the way campaigns works over 50% of the time you play infantry would have virtually no other weapon than bolt actions
junior parcel
I think that feeling would be offset by everyone being on the same boat aside from the few heavy gunners around the map. But I've never been the type to complain about the game being unfair for riflemen so I could be wrong.
rose arrow
captain france
twilit token
Similarly, i don't know if i'm for it but i'm mixed on the addition of prone as ...
Do you not think identifying friend or foe was an issue soldiers in WW1 faced?
Besides, this is a game where we have floating class icons, player names, and the ability to place a floating red marker above enemy heads.
Having uniform variety that is based on history instead of being completely historically accurate broadens the appeal of the game with grounded customization.
steady adder
Similarly, i don't know if i'm for it but i'm mixed on the addition of prone as ...
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dark blue/blue=french
plus the british one is floppier
diff shape even tho it's a similar hat
front view should be shown too tho
that's the majority of what you will see
so buttons+insignia also matter
steady adder
if it's just a piece of armor covering the torso it can fit. The vast majority o...
it is
I was more posting it in response to the lancier armor than suggesting it but i'm surprised you don't know about it.
(bacc view)
steady adder
the stomach piece ended up being in the final product as well
it was to be covered partially in horizon blue cloth
four plates plates in total, all separate, steel covered in canvas.
steady adder
steady adder
since i posted this, might as well post the others
except Daigre ofc, although you'll notice some similarities in some of these designs.
adrian being worn only with the loewr stomach plate
i'll come back to this, esp to label
gotta finish an essay
this one prob couldn't be added
at least the hand shield part
@foggy ingot ```Sources:
- Journal "l'Humanité" du 26 Août 1905
- Journal "Le Stéphanois" de Novembre 1911
- Revue "Pages de gloire" - Janvier 1915
- Description et mode d'emploi de la Cuirasse Adrian édités par l'Armée Française
- Casques et armures dans la guerre moderne par Bashford Dean - University of Toronto ( Canada ) / Yale University Press 1920
- Tome 2 de l'ouvrage "L'Armée française" de Laurent Mirouze
- 1914-1918 La Protection individuelle du combattant par Patrice Delhomme - La Gazette des uniformes
Photographies:
- Archive et collection personnelle
- Dany Klein
- Jérémie Raussin
- Claude Balmeefrezol ( Club AMM / www.maquetland.com )
- Alain Fouillade
- Eric Baradon
- David Kittler
- Michel Timperman
- Gwendal Flament
- Christophe Dutrône
- Alain Gourdis
- Jean-Paul Wilmart ( Belgique )
These are just examples
Best practice would not to add of all them lol, if any are added anyways.
steady adder
i know. The green uniforms were a mistake
I don't think so
the adrian helmet is clearly french
it's not like the italians or russians, etc. are going to fight the french
steady adder
So were mixing uniforms from the entirety of the war
Kinda yeah
case dependent
you left out the yellow patch, its only one side but it's very obvious with head movement and it's also on the collar.
steady adder
Maybe it could be an issue if France fights bulgaria
Even then, they mostly wear really dark shades of brown and have a german helmet/russian style forage caps.
If Austria and Romania fought in-game
def maybe the only side I could see issues with
Now these are very similar
orchid fossil
Lovely ideas, i hope the game doesn't get ruined by milsim larpers
foggy ingot
Do you not think identifying friend or foe was an issue soldiers in WW1 faced?
...
ww1 had soldiers shooting at each other from a kilometer. Irrelevant. We're talking gameplay here: don't pull the history card when half the headgear the french and germans have is stuff not worn in combat
foggy ingot
dark blue/blue=french
except when they're green. Or when you can only see their head poking out, then you add tan, red, grey, and black to the mix.
foggy ingot
so buttons+insignia also matter
the average player can't fucken go off buttons and insignia to save his life in a twitchy firefight.
foggy ingot
I was more posting it in response to the lancier armor than suggesting it but i'...
i know the adrian armor, the lancier i've never seen
foggy ingot
for the record i gave all of this to the devs and they went with the absolutely most tarded design they could find for the french and it's what we have in-game.
foggy ingot
<@459705309221355520> ```Sources:
- Journal "l'Humanité" du 26 Août 1905
- Journ...
you absolutely love to just ping me with basic shit i know of as if it's any sort of revelation
foggy ingot
you left out the yellow patch, its only one side but it's very obvious with head...
it doesn't mean anything to a player that hasn't seen that headgear be part of the french faction before
what you say before again?
blue or light blue?
now it's black with yellow you're supposed to intuit as beign french?
twilit token
you absolutely love to just ping me with basic shit i know of as if it's any sor...
Are you always so insufferable? 😫
foggy ingot
Are you always so insufferable? 😫
yes
twilit token
At least you’re consistent
foggy ingot
i was this insufferable when i was telling people that they should stop making maps already filled with trenches because despite playtesters loving it initially they were just a bad fit for the game and would eventually be disliked
i was this insufferable telling the devs they need to separate the french and british into 2 separate factions else down the line the allies would be a clownshow
twilit token
i was this insufferable when i was telling people that they should stop making m...
So what would you like instead, more open maps players shape through gameplay?
foggy ingot
i was this insufferable telling people stormtrooper has no buisness having semi auto rifles and LMGs
i'm always this insufferable when i see people think of the game putely in the shortest term
i will be this insufferable if players keep thinking adding fucken undermining to the game is good for fucken gameplay
and i will be for adding fucken horses to existing maps as well
foggy ingot
So what would you like instead, more open maps players shape through gameplay?
obviously fucken yes, it's what the game is built for
twilit token
I understand everything you’re saying, but like, are you okay?
foggy ingot
yes
twilit token
Okay cool, just thought I’d ask
Those suggestions are all pretty reasonable. Everything that’s been implemented is helpful.
It seems like feedback is largely incorporated so why are you bent out of shape?
foggy ingot
Those suggestions are all pretty reasonable. Everything that’s been implemented ...
i'm not: i woke up with 7 pings, i'm returning the favor
again to be clear
noob players will already have to tell these two apart
in rain, in fog, at night
foggy ingot
If Austria and Romania fought in-game
it's not ''oh we have a problem if they add romania''
twilit token
But like I mentioned already, no they won’t.
This game has a bunch of HUD elements for casual players.
foggy ingot
There have been complaints that the french and german uniforms look too similar.
Not common, but it should make people raise an eyebrow
the icons are useful but not the be all end all
twilit token
There have been complaints that the french and german uniforms look too similar.
Anyone who makes that complaint should not be taken seriously.
They may be similar to someone who has never played a WW1 game.
Right now I can go into settings and set name distances out to 600. That’s bigger than any official map.
Identifying is not a real issue.
If it bothers you because you think it can be done better, well that is perfectly valid.
foggy ingot
They may be similar to someone who has never played a WW1 game.
People will make the argument the uniform unlocks are good to attract casuals
Then assume players who play this have got to know historical uniforms properly
foggy ingot
If it bothers you because you think it can be done better, well that is perfectl...
again i want to stress
this is as good as it will get
new faction coming this year
then likely another
then maybe another
in the game's lifespan
and of course, existing faction will keep getting more shit
no doubt people will push for all the french classes to have colonial uniforms
with any luck they'll realize french soldiers also worn tan uniforms from head to toe in macedonia
and then the only color we'll be missing to have every color of the rainbow in the french army will be pink
twilit token
Okay so keep being vocal, fight the good fight.
If anything maybe we’ll see uniforms be grouped by era or theater.
Adding new things is good, they just have to be the right things and implemented well.
steady adder
you absolutely love to just ping me with basic shit i know of as if it's any sor...
Funny
You and Schultz did the same
Constantly
Every single day
I never complained
even tho it got annoying
Sometimes I had to repeat myself too
steady adder
you absolutely love to just ping me with basic shit i know of as if it's any sor...
Also you got pinged because you constantly ask people for sources
Not sure if turning off the pings would change your attitude
You remind me of a very hostile person in my family that I had to live with for most of my life. Always attacked people and acted angry and they knew better
foggy ingot
the thing is you're sending me sources for things that are not relevant
I said the offsprey one i have never seen anywhere
steady adder
It's not only for you
steady adder
I clearly stated I didn't read the osprey one.
I told the guy who posted it to get the information from the source.
Btw I'm glad they added light gunner
foggy ingot
that + the new netcode have contributed to making rifleman a legit class and it's really neat
foggy ingot
You and Schultz did the same
Also is schultz alive
steady adder
I have no idea