dnd-discussion

[halcyon forum]

illusion magic is tricky like that. either its bad and not useful, or OP and annoying. hard to find a balance

[limber trail]

My mindset is generally that when a particular ability check is called for, that’s usually just doing the associated action (so a persuasion check might be the influence action. So that player can’t directly do that because they’re already taking the action, but hey maybe it opens the door for other players to try set things up to give situational advantage if it makes sense. A version of the help action essentially.

[supple loom]

Yeah that's fair, I think I like it more anyways when it's a pal conjuring something to help the other player, not just the player juggling both actions as you mentioned.

[supple loom]

Yeah very true, I've always felt slightly bad as a DM especially when someone's invested into illusion magic that's a levelled spell and I'm in a situation where I'm like "Would this actually really do much here?" but like they're trying to burn their spellslot on it.

[halcyon forum]

yeah it should do something, but its tough because its up to you to figure out how much it does

[supple loom]

that's a good way of putting it

spells where there is more room for interpretation and less fixed written mechanical effects sometimes lead to more awkward dancing between player and DM to agree on the outcome.

I mean even seemingly mechanically airtight/fixed spells cause enough heated discussions because of interactions haha

[halcyon forum]

true

[pliant sapphire]

Thats why in 5.5e they removed the summon feature of conjure minor x spells

and because some of them could be really broken

[supple loom]

True :/ Personally I miss having giant summon armies but oh well.

[halcyon forum]

new necromancer wizard seems to be able to do it at least for skeletons/zombies

well see soon enough

[errant crag]

I hate when DMs ban things over reasons like this

[blissful dragon]

That’s a bit extreme like I get banning conjure animals cause that spell if we are being honest is a hassle to use at high levels fir a dm but find familiar and the Tasha ones are just one creature

[errant crag]

You're taking one player ruining your experience and using it to diminish and restrict the experience of unrelated people

[halcyon forum]

my fix as DM for conjure animals was that the player got to chose the summons, but only max 2 creatures

[supple loom]

Yeah find familiar is so chill I agree, it was one of the first things that was brought up.

idk it was weird, It was not a campaign that lasted very long either so never got to see the full rammifications of it.

[wintry spindle]

I only really ban UA content

[errant crag]

I allow almost any official content. Homebrew is usually disallowed and UA/third party needs to be approved by me.

[wintry spindle]

As long as i get to ser your sheet im up for most official content

[errant crag]

The only times I restrict any official content is when it's setting specific and doesn't make sense in the game

[supple loom]

On this point though, tell this to my Dm currently running dungeons of drakkenheim every time one of my fellow players sends their bird familiar in to scout literally everything from the sky.

He cheers every time he gets the chance to shoot the bird down.

Hahahahaha

[wintry spindle]

Had a player one time asking why i wanted to see his sheet. He was playing a wizard...

[errant crag]

Like my players can't take Eberron Dragonmarks or Strixhaven backgrounds if it's not an Eberron game, but I don't mind them taking Silvery Barbs or anything like that

Wish more of my players took silvery barbs

It's funny

[supple loom]

Yeah I think limiting spells is weird but I understand limiting backgrounds/feats (based on setting-appropriateness)

[wintry spindle]

My only problem with silvery barbs it affects in game pacing

[errant crag]

I don't ban any official feats that aren't setting specific

[wintry spindle]

Outside of that i think most dm who has an issue with it is due to not having enough encounters per long rest where using a spell slot matters

If you long rest after every encounter you might as well spam silvery barbs

[errant crag]

Majority of things that are seen as OP are only OP because of DMs falling for common pitfalls or ignoring certain rules

[wintry spindle]

Not using components for example

[supple loom]

components tracker detected opinion rejected /jk

idk, personally not my cup of tea.

[errant crag]

They are vitally important to the balance of the game

[wintry spindle]

Wdym? You can bypass it easily with most spells with a focus or pouch

If you dont use it you can just cast sfuff like resurection no problem

[errant crag]

If my DM says they're ignoring spell components that's a red flag to me

Big one

[wintry spindle]

I think most dms just are confused with how easily you can use a spell focus

[errant crag]

Casters are often considered OP because they really punish a lot of common new DM mistakes that get made; such as big singular enemy fights, open flat combat environments, not having enough stuff happen between long rests, not tracking certain rules

[errant crag]

It's as simple as:
Does the Material component have a gold cost or say it's consumed?
If not, then you can use a focus or a component pouch instead.

[wintry spindle]

Yep but people dont know this

Ive taught many players this

[errant crag]

A lot of things are a lot simpler than people expected

I looked into XP wanting to try it some time and thought it would be a complex nightmare but it's fairly simple

Same with carry weight, though that can get a loot book keepy admittedly

[wintry spindle]

I feel a lot of dnd mechanics are easy to use but people just ignore them for weird reasons

And then they create problems for themselves

[errant crag]

It's an amount of effort they're not interested in dealing with, which is fine if they're not going for a mechanically intensive games

[wintry spindle]

I think the problem becomes when ignoring certain mechanics only benefit some players not all

[errant crag]

I like running dungeon crawls and tough combats and don't fudge the dice or pull punches, so mechanical balance is a bit more important in my games than one where the roleplay and narrative is making up the brunt of the game.

[wintry spindle]

Never short resting as a warlock for example

[errant crag]

I always tell my players that they need to tell me when they want to short rest, I don't stop the game to offer them one

It's on them to be like "We are going to short rest"

[supple loom]

I said jk for a reason haha don't come for my head hehe. Yes I'm well aware of how focuses/pouches work for non-specified cost components.

[wintry spindle]

Thats fair but if there are only long rests no short rests

[wintry spindle]

Yeah its fine. Tbf some components are kinda funny

[errant crag]

Bat guano

[dusty tinsel]

Vortex Warp is so funny, it’s a free get out of jail free card for any of your allies who got caught in a trap

It’s come up surprisingly often in my most recent campaign

[errant crag]

If my ally got caught in a trap I'd cast Cloud of Daggers

[dusty tinsel]

Tho that trap I mentioned was a Mind Flayer that stunned the paladin and was about to suck their brains

[errant crag]

Common paladin mistake

[dusty tinsel]

Second time it happened, it also happened with this psychic emanation thing

[errant crag]

Brain blast

[dusty tinsel]

Tho getting them out of there was the toughest part, it had a limited area of influence and didn’t move

And the wizard realised it could just cook it with Sickening Radiance

So we closed the door and waited out the minute lol

There were enemies that did move, but they were already dead by then

[errant crag]

The mindflayer couldn't get through the door

They're very smart

[dusty tinsel]

No this was another boss

The Mind Flayer happened later

It’s just funny that the paladin charged in, got stunned, and I teleported them out of trouble with Vortex Warp basically back to back lol

Well different sessions but still

[rain swan]

Yoooooooooooo

[rough basalt]

Yeah the "martial caster divide" is most of the time the DMs fault or skill disparity rather than an actual system issue.

[wintry spindle]

Yeah. If you let the wizard go nova then sleep the martial get outpaced fast

[rough basalt]

They'll ignore certain important balance rules then blame the system and the "martial caster divide"

[wintry spindle]

Its nice components has gotten more love with mighty nein show being releazed

[rough basalt]

Yeah I liked the choice to use components over a foci for that character.

[wintry spindle]

Also as a DM i love components because you can take them away from the player as a challenge

You get ambushed while taking a swim in a lake your pouch is with your gear what do you do?

[rough basalt]

Gonna be starting my upcoming campaign with players not having their gear so that'll be interesting.

[wintry spindle]

Ive done that was fun

[rough basalt]

Ye they start in a victorian era asylum used by a faction I made up that hunts Mistwalkers (people who traverse the Mists of Ravenloft) and people dragged into the Domains, locked up in cells.

[undone rain]

Any good names for a male yuan ti

[wintry spindle]

Sssstephen /j

[spice crane]

Hey players! How is your dnd campaign going?

[feral fulcrum]

I smell Dark Souls, is there a big fat Asylum Demon?

[rough basalt]

Not so far. I am drawing from Bloodborne/Dishonored a bit for the worldbuilding and vibes as well as some items and mechanics from BB.

I do have a courtyard segment I need to make.

Something big and scary could be there.

[feral fulcrum]

evil zombie tree

[rough basalt]

Was thinking a Plant enemy would be fun

[errant crag]

Big evil flower inside of the asylum's greenhouse

[sly crest]

Piranha plant but not cute in the least

[errant crag]

Bodies of patients and orderlies infected with spores or the flower's enchanting pollen or some such

[wintry spindle]

So poison ivy segment in the arkham games?

[errant crag]

Never played a Batman game

[wintry spindle]

They are great

[errant crag]

They must be if they're copying my ideas

[wintry spindle]

Most be

Damn time traveling game developers

[errant crag]

That was very arrogant of me to say

[rough basalt]

Hmm, a greenhouse could be a fun extra segment if I can fit it somewhere

[wintry spindle]

Different therapy types could be fun bosses

Music therapy boss

[errant crag]

It's reasonable that an asylum might have a greenhouse or garden for patients' recreation or development

[rough basalt]

original plan was top floor to 1st floor then courtyard then front office. Could make the greenhouse as an alternate route

[rough basalt]

Could be, it is the start of the campaign so didnt put too much thought into it

[undone rain]

I do wonder what the multiclass name is if you multiclass all classes

[sinful crater]

Hey chat I am back. What are you guys talking about?

[south prawn]

“Ability score limited”

[paper portal]

abserd

unsurprisingly its really bad

[undone rain]

Yeah im not surprised

Hell you cant even do it simply cuz you always need a specific stat to be high enough to multiclass

[normal junco]

i think its minimum 13 in each stat. which you can't get by point buy, and you can't get by standard array.

[mystic crystal]

What’s the funniest Uncommon item in 5e+?

[reef tundra]

The bag of spices

Does absolutely nothing mechanically except dispense spices, that have no mechanics

And I love it

[mystic crystal]

Hewards handy spice pouch? That’s a common

[normal junco]

doesn't prestidigitation allow you to flavour stuff?

[reef tundra]

Oh is it? Hmm, no clue why I thought it was uncommon

[glass laurel]

hic I miss playing dnd <{. Life schedule is such a BBEG

[mystic crystal]

I have that in my current campaign. I’m constantly putting garlic in everything. Even though there are no vamps in this world lmao

[south prawn]

These are both common, but Cloak of Billowing and Pipe of Smoke Monsters are fun

[mystic crystal]

Cloak of billowing is just hilarious

[glass laurel]

how can Cloak of billowing be funny?

[normal junco]

it billows. indoors.

[glass laurel]

I'm curious what do you do with it

[mystic crystal]

Just constantly blowing actions to make it billow in the wind lol

[reef tundra]

It does nothing mechanically except wave as if it were moving in the wind

[errant sonnet]

I really wanna run Curse Of Strahd as-written but for a level 20 party, I want Strahd to aura farm and then get decked in the face

[reef tundra]

Absolutely useless.
10/10 best item

[errant sonnet]

Like imagine having a level 10 adventure talking about the dark and forbidden deal he's done to get absolute power, and then the sorcerer who was just born this way casts reality erasure or something on his leg

[mystic crystal]

Our dm is giving us a free uncommon item to take adventuring with us and I’m trying the best troll or gag magic item just for the love of the game

[glass laurel]

I have only used it to make a fart sound from mouth and make the cloak blow to make the social awkward to get out of the situation :}

[rough basalt]

Sounds funny on paper but that would probably get boring pretty fast

Just constant "roll initiative, alright combats over"

Or players just go to Castle Ravenloft immediately

[errant sonnet]

Nah you'd just settle combat like a social encounter

You could probably add social stakes that make it fine, so they can be closet badasses in Barovia

[rough basalt]

There wouldnt really be any social stakes

[errant sonnet]

Man DND players are allergic to creativity

[rough basalt]

a level 20 party could just end all the troubles in barovia

[errant sonnet]

Like where is your whimsy

[normal junco]

instead, just give them two levels at a time instead of one at a time.

[errant sonnet]

Are you not free spirited?

[mystic crystal]

Walk into a town and all the bad guys just give up cause Dean and Sam Winchester roll into town

[rough basalt]

Pretty much

theres no stakes to Gods showing up and just deciding things are over

[errant sonnet]

You can run anything in DND if you're not a b*tch. Sure the system is built for x, but like... just don't be a wimp. Fight god and do a dating sim

[mystic crystal]

High level D&D is such a drag lol

[mystic crystal]

Why not both?

[normal junco]

"Look at you, you're not even wearing a nametag. You don't stand any chance at all."

[rough basalt]

if you can somehow make a campaign where nothing happens except you walk somewhere and you complete the quest by existing compelling long term then I want those players

[errant sonnet]

Campaign idea: You are a level 20 party that have been whisked off into Barovia and want to save the day, however you are in heavy debt to the IRS so you have to save Barovia without anyone knowing you saved Barovia

Or else the debt collectors will track you down

[rough basalt]

The regular world wouldnt. Barovia is a pocket dimension in the shadowfell.

[errant sonnet]

I sense a DND player being revulsed by this

[errant sonnet]

Dude yes and me for like 5 seconds 😭

[rough basalt]

Van Richten and other Mistwalkers would tho

[errant sonnet]

Trust me you'll enjoy it

[rough basalt]

Nah I like actual stakes in my games

[errant sonnet]

But not fun I'm seeing

[rough basalt]

Whats fun about spending several hours a week just talking and stomping everything without a single shred of tension

[errant sonnet]

I mean it's not my fault you aren't creative, IDK why you're mad at me

Imma go eat macaroni instead of arguing with you

[rough basalt]

It isn't creativity, its just a matter of fact that level 20 PCs against cr1 monsters isnt compelling

Is it compelling to stomp on ants? I mean you do you, but someone finding stomping on ants to be boring doesn't mean they're not creative or fun, it means they find stomping on ants to not be compelling.

[normal junco]

i know it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, but running Curse of Strahd with a What we do in the Shadows kind of feel sounds hilarious.

[rough basalt]

As long as it's advertised/pitched correctly.

[normal junco]

yes. 100% yes. theres a huge different going in knowing its going to be like that

[rough basalt]

Cause if you recruit people for CoS and they expect CoS and get the big bang theory instead, naturally you probably won't keep everyone.

[hot marlin]

There is something moderately interesting about high level PCs in lower level adventures. The dynamic and relationship to the world changes, the campaign becomes much shorter and it can become something more akin to a character study. Like, what do characters this powerful actually do with their powers?

I do not believe most DMs or players have the skills to pull it off correctly

[dusk echo]

Hey guys! I'm trying to find a better vtt compared to roll20 since it kills performance a lot, especially with the maps for one of my players. Do you guys have any ideas?

[rough basalt]

They could just lock strahd up and take over Barovia themselves

[reef tundra]

Some people would like the power trip

[rough basalt]

Strahd can't do anything about it nor can anyone in Barovia.

[rough basalt]

I don't think you could make a long campaign off that kind of power trip tho

[normal junco]

you can try DnDBeyond's maps thing, or Owlbear Rodeo, or Shard.

[hot marlin]

Sora, have you played Exalted?

[rough basalt]

No

[dusk echo]

Yeah, I'm mainly a f2p steal everything from the wiki kinda guy so...idk about dndbeyond's map stuff since so much has to be paid.

[hot marlin]

It works kinda like that. It doesn't take long for the PCs to be so powerful that the ordinary world simply can't challenge them

It is still a compelling game. With a good GM that understands the nature of that power dynamic

[rough basalt]

Idk no dice in a dice game just sounds boring to me.

[hot marlin]

No dice?

[rough basalt]

They said combat would be narrative since the power dynamic is so big, and since their so powerful, there'd be no need for checks either.

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah no, that's a bad bad idea

[rough basalt]

Like no, the Barovians are dumb jerks but if they see that level 20 Wizard cast Meteor Swarm they're gonna suffer in silence like they're used to.

There ain't gonna need to be any convincing there

[hot marlin]

In Exalted, the question "Will the PCs succeed" tends to be replaced by "What will be the cost of success". So while I am not against the idea of level 20 PCs in lower level adventures as a matter of principle, I would say Barovia is the wrong setting for that due to its self-contained nature

[rough basalt]

I think the other idea is that they be "closeted OP" which I assume means not using your high level powers which makes you wonder why you aren't just normal level anyway if you're not gonna use 90% of your sheet.

[hot marlin]

Simply put: Stories about overwhelming power tend to be about the consequences and ripples of the use of that power. Barovia just isn't big enough for that

[rough basalt]

I think the idea falls into the same category as to why a lot of evil campaigns end up not working out.

Novelty wears off and you need someone like you said, knows how to run it to be compelling.

Like people will be like "I wanna run an Evil campaign" then just go around murdering civilians as an evil power fantasy and then they're like "well this is boring" at some point.

[olive storm]

Evil campaigns need a really strong premise. The evil league of evil doesn't just assemble for a Sunday breakfast!

[rough basalt]

Where as successful evil campaigns are where the GM makes a story where players are on the side of evil which allows for some enemies you wouldn't normally fight which is especially fun.

[olive storm]

I really wanna run Elden Ring in Pathfinder.

[rough basalt]

Makes poison builds much more fun cause in an evil campaign you're likely to be fighting people more often than not.

[atomic kayak]

The issue isn't something being an evil campaign, an evil campaign functions quite literally identical to any other campaign

Its people having weird mindsets about evil

[olive storm]

Also necromancy! Far more humanoid corpses are civilians than monsters!

[olive storm]

Is it similar to people saying D&D can't do horror?

Like it is literally a resource management game. Have you people never played Resident Evil?

[rough basalt]

"DnD can't do horror" isn't horribly inaccurate, it's better to say "DnD can't do horror as good or better than some dedicated horror systems"

[atomic kayak]

Particularly when it comes to PCs

Evil PCs have to have the same 2 basic things as any other type of PC
A) a reason to go adventuring
B) a reason to work with the party

In general ime people actually tend to find it easier to fulfill both of those with an evil character than others

[olive storm]

Well yeah but good luck finding players for those.

[mystic crystal]

I wanna run a zombie apocalypse but not sure exactly how to go about that

[rough basalt]

Thats when you trick 5e players

You give them the rulebook for the system with a paper taped over it saying "DnD 5e" and say it's homebrew

[atomic kayak]

(Also frankly on a percentage basis you are more likely to get good or neutral characters failing A and/or B than you are evil chadacters)

[olive storm]

There is a story about a guy who is into World of Darkness who has a wonderful session zero explaining the urban horror setting, the nature of undeath in modern nights, the 13 clans, the setting and the whole schtick. Then his player shows up to session one with his character... An elf druid.

[rough basalt]

Yeah that's a gone on the spot.

[mystic crystal]

Could never be an evil character. I feel bad when I do Evil runs in video games lmao

[olive storm]

I like evil but I need to have a methodology.

[rough basalt]

I've done it before, but as a fallen hero tragic evil

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's easy to come up with reasons for an evil pc to adventure

[mystic crystal]

MONEY!

[rough basalt]

1: I like killing people
2: killing people is more optimal in a group

[olive storm]

Like remember Codename Kids Next Door? Everything about Number 4s backstory shows why he has anger issues, often depends on violence and struggles intellectually. His parents never talk with him, they just ship him off to boarding school instead of... Parenting him. Whenever he tries to be intelligent he gets made fun of. It reinforces his worst traits. Now take those traits and put them on an adventurer and you have an intellectually stunted savage who habitually struggles to solve things without violence.

I like a methodology. All my villains are mentally ill.

[olive storm]

Struggling to eke out a niche in the meat market due to a pandemic of bovine flu? If only there was some abundant source of meat readily available!

[rough basalt]

True

[olive storm]

Honestly one of the greatest things about Vampire is it teaches players how to write really good villains.

It is a game that naturally inclines towards evil.

[mystic crystal]

Best villain I ever made did evil things simply for the love the game.

I needed someone that the party couldn’t connect to on any level. Dude once destroyed a village cause it was in his view from castle.

[olive storm]

Do I even need to pull up the quote from Judge Holden?

"The freedom of birds is an insult to me. I'd have them all in zoos."

And that is one of the tamer things he said.

Or the Allied Mastercomputer?

"Hate. Let me tell you how much I have come to hate you since I gained consciousness. There are three hundred million miles of cables that run in wafer-thin layers throughout my complex. If the word hate were engraved on every nanoangstrum of those millions of miles of circuits, it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for you in this very moment. Hate. Hate."

[cobalt escarp]

i love it when the villain is unsympathetic, i made a beholder the BBEG of my game and his motive was he thought he was perfect and wanted to spread his so-called prefection

[still plover]

What kind of themes do you want to explore?

Survival in a world where civilisation is defined by the reach of your blade? The slow descent into anarchy as systems collapse and governments fail? The prideful few fighting back against the encroaching darkness, trying to bring back the light one battle at a time?

[mystic crystal]

I’m thinking the civilized world has fallen. The party would be from a village on the outskirts of the kingdom. And for what ever reason they need to set out in the wasteland.

How ever, the biggest threat in a zombie media is the bite. How do you translate that into D&D.

[minor cargo]

Bite does damage, roll a save.

That would be the base of it. But the extra flavour, progression, etc. I think is where you will want to think a bit about your design.

[still plover]

Nah, it's the relentless nature of the living dead and the inherent mistrust of the survivors.

[minor cargo]

For example, bites that turn you into a fierocious monster almost instantly will play different than a bite that only kills you a week later.

[rough basalt]

Yeah, in order to make a traditional zombie apocalypse work you'll need some homebrew, and likely some character option restrictions

[twilit ibex]

My rule for such things: K.I.S.S. keep it simple, stupid. The more complicated a ruleset or mechanic, the worse

[still plover]

I feel a bit of Walking Dead style. You get hit, you're infected. Too bad. But you don't turn until your body fails. Go down, that's not great. Go out, the infection digs in, starts getting you ready to walk again.

And it's fixable, or at least can be held at bay. The problem for the world is there just weren't enough folk where they were needed with the tools to do so when the outbreaks happened. Then it became a tidal wave.

[minor cargo]

I actually really, really love zombie media. I think it does a lot and I think the aesthetic is gripping.

I think zombies as a horror monster (just like other monsters like vampires and werewolves) can do a lot to comment on the fears we, as a people, have. I really liked Romero's take on zombies, where he's talking about how western consumerism slowly kills us, and we don't even know.

In The Walking Dead, there are some clear elements of the "fear of technology" and the catharsis of "returning to simpler times" - and I think that's extremely relevant to current western anxieties.

[sudden olive]

helloing

[fading walrus]

hello

[rough basalt]

As dnd is a heroic fantasy system, you'll need to put some work in cause 1 hit meaning death goes against its nature and design.

[still plover]

Yah. This is why I'm saying PCs aren't at actual risk unless infected and dead.

[rough basalt]

Even if you go the immune route, zombies are very easy to kill enmasse so once you hit level 5+ any threat to towns you're near is over or gets way less as levels go on

Rick Grimes didn't have the most powerful zombie stopping weapon, Spirit Guardians

[minor cargo]

Mmm hmm. This is where the evolution of zombies, like in The Last of Us, can also be an interesting take.
Edit: The Walking Dead TV series had zombies towards the end change a bit (hopefully that's not a big spoiler). But this felt, given the overall series, a little more clumsy and less fulfilling.

[mystic crystal]

And the combat would drag on. If you want to be a threat you need like 30 zombies on the field

[flint ledge]

Well who says it would only infect humanoids?

[olive storm]

Or you play as a zombie.

[rough basalt]

You'd have to apply the zombie template to every enemy to keep a solid threat without stuff dragging on yes

[minor cargo]

For D&D, you could create a creature block as a "zombie swarm". That'll cut down on logistics and also allow the difficulty to increase with too much extra bogging down of rolls.

[rough basalt]

Or turning to the "humans are the real monsters" pitfall

[mystic crystal]

Zombie tarrasque?

[olive storm]

Zombie tiamat?

Why do we not have a god of vampires or hunger in D&D?

[rough basalt]

cause most Gods were killed, disappeared, or non-existent in a lot of official settings

[humble fog]

For zombie stuff just have a disease with stages. Stuff like light sensitivity and then the final stage is death with rising as a zombie. Doesn't matter if healing magic can save an individual, it's already spread far enough through the slums that you can't cure then fast enough.

Gives room to save fellow PCs as a plus

[twilit shell]

Undead shambling mound also goes crazy, just a bunch of zombies amalgamated into a ball

[minor cargo]

In the past, for things like hunger, typically there are Archdevils. For example, Baalzebul (not to be confused with the real life Beelzebub haha) is a giant slug archdevil and is about filth and gluttony (depending on the iteration).

[olive storm]

Then why is Loviatar a god and not a devil?

[woven flint]

The same reason majority of evil deities aren't devils.. they're just not lol

[olive storm]

A divine comedy indeed.

[woven flint]

Gods span the entire alignment sphere for the sake of balance, as Ao's intention and design

Loviatar is Ilmaters inverse

A god of pain and the god of the tortured

Just as there are deities of Balance, there are also deities of Chaos

Ao doesn't care if mortals suffer or not, so long as no god steps out of place and ruin the balance he created.

[minor cargo]

Can I interest you in the Carcass Crab from Eberron? 👀

[woven flint]

That's why you've got
A Lolth to Corellon
A Loviatar to Ilmater
Then, you've got Neutral parties like Helm who do as they're told one way or another

Even in real life mythology there were evil deities

[twilit shell]

Oh hell yeah

[woven flint]

For a moment, that name made me think of Cadaver Collectors

Those constructs that impale corpses on the spikes on their backs

JEEZ, those thungs are CR 14!

[uncut zenith]

Hot take: Ao is secretly a GOO who imagined the gods into existence and convinced them he’s an “overgod”

[woven flint]

I don't think that's a hot take, That's a fun theory

Honestly, itd be super cool

We don't KNOW much about Ao in lore, do we?

[undone rain]

Who would yall deem more evil, bhaal or shar

[woven flint]

Bhaal by a long shot

[undone rain]

Id say so too

[uncut zenith]

Think about it. Ao’s so far removed that he doesn’t care to see mortals beyond more than just specimen in the universe (much like elder evils see mortals as mere insects in the grand scheme of things).

[woven flint]

Shar is just kind of...

A Godess of depression and loss

[undone rain]

And pettiness if youve played bg3

[woven flint]

See! That's what i was linda thinking!

And the fact that he can't directly grant mortals power

Great Old Ones kinda can
But typically through pacts

[undone rain]

Now the opposite which god do yall deem more good aligned

Or the most even

Id say ilmater

[limpid zodiac]

hey guys

what’s ur fav dragon

[rain gale]

Toothless from how to train your dragon

[mystic crystal]

She hurt my pookie!

[mystic crystal]

Red eyes black dragon.

Although blue eyes white dragon is pretty cool to

[undone rain]

The one that flies

[undone rain]

Yeah we hate shar

[limpid zodiac]

aiiii me too twin

type type

that’s so cool!!!

[rain gale]

only correct answer

[silk hare]

what about dragoon?

[silk hare]

personally I like the "Interplanetarypurplythorny Dragon"

[limpid zodiac]

that’s exquisite my fine dining man

[buoyant oar]

Best dragon is Ingeloakastimizilian

[jade ingot]

Good morning everyone.

[empty thicket]

i swear to god im not even trying to say the name so the dragon dont get offended and if he does, "Waht you expect with this long weirdo name!? change it to something better what it even mean!?"

[olive storm]

Guys it's my weekend.

I have no enemies rn.

[olive storm]

Moonstone dragon.

[buoyant oar]

Dragons are older than mortal races. Its not that the dragon has a weirdo longer name. Its that the stupid bipeds lack the ability to speak

[empty thicket]

"You can decide, i say wrong your name or i call you in some way that make you feel the same proud because i wont reach tha capacity to say it right."

"Never."

Luckily for now i dont have to interact with dragons

[still plover]

Zinda? His face black, his eyes red?

[spiral fox]

how exactly does the minor illusion box on yourself work in combat? does it give you cover? heavy obsurement? or nothing?

[idle oar]

Nothing but an enemy maybe having to make a check before targeting you

It's an illusion, not cover

[spiral fox]

would the enemy roll at disadvantage cuz i cannot be seen?

[idle oar]

And if the enemy sees you doing it... well they probably aren't fooled by the illusion

[humble cairn]

What are you more horrified by? Murder or the violation of the mind?

[buoyant oar]

Shaka when the walls fell

[empty thicket]

Oh look, one of them got behind a box, im going to wait until he uncover to attack him because attack him while he is behind a cover is no point

[spiral fox]

i am tryna make a scion of the three rogue with zantharim feats, and i am tryna choose between blade ward and minor illusion to sustain in melee

[empty thicket]

Minor illusion can be used for MANY things, recommended

[spiral fox]

no, i want to cast the box directly on myself. what happens when i do that?

[humble cairn]

Blade Ward. Minor Illusion will only conditionally work in pitched combat.

[empty thicket]

turn yourself into a box?

[humble cairn]

Do you happen to be Small sized?

[spiral fox]

thought so. while minor illusion can be DM dependent, Blade Ward stays consistent throughout all tables. thanks guys

[empty thicket]

bro want to cosplay solid snake, peak

[humble cairn]

Minor Illusion is great Utility, though.

[spiral fox]

i am tryna go all in on the ruthless assassin dark urge murder hobo fantasy of the Scion of the Three

[humble cairn]

Sure, but you have them all as tools since you can switch it out on a Long Rest, don't ignore your tools.

[spiral fox]

yeah lmao. i thought since i was in the illusion box, the unseen attacker stuff would trigger and i would get disadvantage attack rolls

[spiral fox]

depending on what i do that day, i can swap it

[severe rampart]

Why would you stay in the box when attacking

[humble cairn]

I've had this work, but illusion stuff depends on your DM.

[spiral fox]

if it wasn't dm dependent, Illusionist would be the best Wizard

[severe rampart]

If you're prone then you have disadvantage on your attacks

[empty thicket]

i mean, illusion let you open lot of possibilities

Just a shinny coin in the ground is good enough to bait a LOT of units

[spiral fox]

i would walk out to attack, otherwise there's no point cuz i cannot see outside the box either

[woven flint]

Does anyone else agree that they'd like to see more Kenku at their tables?

Especially since they don't have to do mimicry to talk anymore 👁️

[faint thicket]

It's obscurement, so they have disadvantage against you. In order to see through it they have to figure out it's an illusion

[humble cairn]

I have used Minor Illusion thus: "I make a hyper realistic painting of this empty hallway appear behind this door" and then when I opened the door, the hallway looked empty and I shot through the illusion, gaining Advantage.

[humble cairn]

Knowing the illusion is fake means yuo can see through it.

[spiral fox]

yea that is true as well

[faint thicket]

Honestly just use it to make 5ft clouds of fog with "this is an illusion" written inside

And then limit yourself to one minor illusion per player

[spiral fox]

damn, puts it into perspective how strong BA Minor Illusion is, cuz you are non stop creating illusions

[faint thicket]

Yep, I have dealt with a ton of threats by doing it. It's basically my go to

[severe rampart]

At times it's either flavor or creativity

[empty thicket]

oh a crow person, that sound kinda nice

[spiral fox]

and the illusion spell list is a banger as well

[woven flint]

They're not just Crows, they're Corvids in general

[spiral fox]

throughout my turns i stay in the backlines and i created obama pyramids mid fight 😭

[idle oar]

I mean again if the target's are seeing you cast the spell, pretty sure most DMs would say the target's automatically knows it's an illusion

[faint thicket]

Illusion is really strong yeah

[empty thicket]

now i will need you to remark what would be the difference so i can understand it please.

[woven flint]

I'd love to play a Kenku Bard one day, I honestly think it'd be a lot of fun 🧐

[faint thicket]

Iirc that requires a check raw

And a reaction

[still plover]

A spell. The baddies haven't read the PHB. How do they know it's not Noob's Box of Invincibility being cast?

[woven flint]

Corvids are
Ravens, Crows and birds that fall into the Corvid category
Kenku are Corvidfolk, not just crows

[crimson gulch]

Not to notice they cast a spell, just to identify it as illusion or something that was summoned

[spiral fox]

but jokes aside, sound and image, with BA and increased range is interesting. because it is one of those features that is utter garbage in an unimaginative player's hand, but a beast in a creative player's hands

[empty thicket]

okey okey, so doing a whole "corvid covenant" warlock kenku then

[faint thicket]

No I mean to know what spell a person casts

[empty thicket]

That in reality is just a group of animal races who have reunions and do funny stuff

[faint thicket]

Illusion really shines due to this not being a video game tbh

[still plover]

As above, it's a great idea to confirm a handful of illusion ideas with the DM before play.

[spiral fox]

No BG3 Minor Illusion shills were hurt in this text.

istg people who get their idea of minor illusion from BG3 are missing out so hard

[dim flicker]

hello everyone, what were you most excited about back in your first ever dnd game?

[woven flint]

Corvids are some of the most intelligent birds if not THE most intelligent birds

A Kenku Wizard or Artificer would be rad too tbh

A Kenku Artificer though...
They could make the most use of the kenkus expert forgery skill

[empty thicket]

A minotaur, a kenku, a changeling and a Kobold enter in a bar

[faint thicket]

Yeah literally this, pulling out illusion nonsense mid game is gonna get annoying for the DM and it's kinda hard to deal with

As with all tech talk to your DM first

[empty thicket]

no wait, how it was this frog race

[woven flint]

I think the Changling would be the most out of place amongst the four lol

[spiral fox]

simply playing it. although my DM put traps in a dungeon. I placed a foot on it an instantly died

[empty thicket]

Yeah but he is nice and any friend group need an "out of place" person

[severe rampart]

wrong. Clearly it's a Doppelganger, a Changeling, and a Simulacrum

[woven flint]

Truth 🧐

[spiral fox]

in hindsight, that was not a good DM. it was not telegraphed at all

[empty thicket]

that is for another group
A mimmic, a doppelganger and other 2 who can change their shapes

[woven flint]

Well, traps aren't supposed to be telegraphed
Did you even check for them?

[severe rampart]

Instant deaths are so boring, except PWK (name on tin)

[spiral fox]

one could say i could have made perception checks, but i had no clue whatsoever what those checks are. it was my first time ever playing the game. the DM knew that and i was sent to an instant death dungeon

[empty thicket]

Okey, is grung
A Kenku, a minotaur, a grung, a kobold and a changeling enter in a bar

[faint thicket]

Wait what level?

[spiral fox]

the DM could have at least asked if i wanted to check the surroundings to see if it was safe

[spiral fox]

level 5

[woven flint]

Yeah, but you could've also exercised precaution going into a dungeon anyway 😭

[spiral fox]

this is also mentioned in the DMG, to prevent TPKs. Questions like, "are you sure?"

[woven flint]

Even veteran players make mistakes like this sometimes

[faint thicket]

Hmm what caused the instant death

[spiral fox]

i am calling it a dungeon but it was an underground path into the castle

[empty thicket]

Funnily enough i learn that veterans sometimes do the most silly mistakes because they think they wont for being veterans

[spiral fox]

pressure plate and rock falls on my head, hydraulic press style

no dex saving throws, no nothing

place foot? oh you are dead

[faint thicket]

Oh yeah that's nonsense

[spiral fox]

LIKE BROTHER THAT IS AMATEUR AF

now that i have been DMing for a year, that is so bad

[faint thicket]

I'm pretty lethal as a DM but what basically amounts to a cutscene is dumb

[spiral fox]

the DMG has guides on traps and there is always a save to prevent it. if you succeed, you take half or no damage

but instant kill is so bogus istg

[woven flint]

Dungeon of The Mad Mage has instant kill traps.

[spiral fox]

so am i. but i would never throw something at my players that they can never beat

[empty thicket]

Should used "detect traps" so you had anxiety of not knowing where the trap was and then when the trap trigger you would be like "Oh, there it was... THE TRAP!!??"

But instant kill traps, unless the DM had given lots of hints and the player went forward

[spiral fox]

first of all that dungeon is infamous for being evil

secondly, if you are sending a new player to Acererak's penthouse, as their first game, you are evil

[empty thicket]

Its weirdy weirdy

[woven flint]

I'm not defending your former dm, but instadeath things aren't uncommon in D&D, it's bogus you couldn't avoid rocks falling though...

[faint thicket]

Instant death should be reserved to magical traps

[spiral fox]

i get it, but i am just putting it into perspective

[woven flint]

Yeah, most Dungeons are known for being dangerous

[spiral fox]

it was literally a super mario rockfall death

[mystic crystal]

I have a concept to make a paladin of Tyr based on Denzel Washington’s character from the Book of Eli. And I kinda wanna make him quote scripture has he’s Devine smiting people. Are there any actual D&D books I can pull the quotes from or am I on my own and writing my own stuff?

[delicate owl]

I mean tbh

[woven flint]

Dungeons and Danger, the game should've been called 🧐

[spiral fox]

i made this dungeon and i run it for my players using OSE rules with 10 minute turns, and i enjoy watching them feel dread

[delicate owl]

If you were level 1 and you would have insta died at half damage even, then no save really is necesaary haha

[faint thicket]

To put it into perspective a 5th level character can survive a dragon biting them without instantly dying

[spiral fox]

at level 1, jumping can kill you, Morrowind style

[faint thicket]

I don't think so, I recommend some older deities books since it will explain tyr way better than 5e does

[spiral fox]

did i mention my party member? she also got instakilled 2 turns later

[empty thicket]

DAmn, its a campaign that need you all to die and then do a REverse Divine comedy?

[spiral fox]

see kids? this why you take MAGE HAND

[woven flint]

Our Rogue got jumped by ghouls and insta-killed pretty much last night
We're level 8, he was paralyzed when trying to run away then swarmed and eaten.

[dim flicker]

facechecking traps is my guilty pleasure sometimes as a player

[spiral fox]

brother it was a oneshot where we were aiding a king and we died to instakill traps in 10 MINUTES

[dim flicker]

if theres a suspicious looking pedestal/lever/whatever, lemme take one for the team!! gladly!!

[spiral fox]

in a place we were railroaded into

[spiral fox]

yea but it was like this.

"There is an empty corridor, you may move"

[faint thicket]

A fighter with 10 con needs to take 68 damage to instantly die.

[faint thicket]

Bruh

[woven flint]

BUT! i had a divine intervention from the temple card sitting in my pocket from ages ago!
They literally spent turns eating him and he couldn't be revived normally.. so, I used the divine intervention to reincarnate him

He would've been done and dusted
He's lucky my Cleric cares about him smh

[faint thicket]

That's the kind of lethality I think adds to games

[empty thicket]

in fact, oneshoted you all

[spiral fox]

he had the gall to tell me

"you step on the a tile, and you die"

30 YEAR OLD MAN BTW

[woven flint]

Now there's a problem

You see, the temple card revives you as a divine intervention if you haven't used it for anything else

Now my cleric doesn't have that safety net anymore lol

[faint thicket]

I'm curious wired what was you class and con? I want to calculate what this rock did in terms of damage

[empty thicket]

The dungeon name was "Fear & Hunger" or smt like that?

[spiral fox]

oh god

Fear and Hunger is one of the most unfair games you can play. Acererak was prolly on the development team

[empty thicket]

Yes.

[woven flint]

Brother was literally Rodrick from Diary of the Wimpy Kid as a dm

"Rocks fall, you die."

I like to think the joke originated from that book but ofc it didn't

[empty thicket]

But unless you go for 2 character endings, the other 2 can be made without risk

[spiral fox]

14 con monk, no tough. we were fixed, so i had 38 HP

i am gonna start a mini-campaign tomorrow

for 3 players

i found this really cool homebrew monster, but i can't seem to remember what it was...

i am sure they will have fun :))))

[undone rain]

Idk both seem just as awful

[humble cairn]

Well there you go then.

[faint thicket]

Thanks

[empty thicket]

throw a coin then, let the fate decide

[spiral fox]

hope that puts it into perspective how absolutely nonsensical it was

that is roughly the average damage of 8d8

[dusky mural]

Is this like in stranger things?

[severe rampart]

No

Stranger things D&D is 1e and 2e

aka AD&D, in #dnd-elder-editions

[faint thicket]

On average that would be 14d10 damage to instant kill due to instant kills requiring double max hp

[spiral fox]

oh yeah, that too

[faint thicket]

Or a dangerous trap for 11th level plus characters

[spiral fox]

LEVEL 5 BY THE WAY

it is scary to think how many DMs just ignore the existence of the DMG

[empty thicket]

welp, if max damage would be 140 so most characters would die
An average of 70 wont kill some

[severe rampart]

the monk had 38 HP

[lavish flame]

Easy answer, yeah. Its the same game and you kinda do the same stuff.

Longer amswer, Stranger Things was playing a version of the game released in the 1970s-1980s (1st Edition and Second Edition). Their version of the game was a lot more focused on being a Dungeon Crawling game. We are currently on 5.5 Edition, which is a lot more of a Fantasy Adventure game.

[faint thicket]

Dangerous not deadly for 11th level + is what I meant. It's a major setback and could kill if unlucky

[empty thicket]

Barely not instant killing him

[faint thicket]

The average is closer to 77 actually

A d10's average is 5.5

[spiral fox]

guys, the reality is, that the DM just did not math, or set up any traps

he should go play Fatal

[faint thicket]

Lol

[severe rampart]

Lmao

[faint thicket]

Like I'm fine with traps being fatal, I just think you need to actually make a fatal trap since 5e wasn't built with traps killing in mind

[dim flicker]

whens the last time you guys got to use tool proficiencies that wasnt thieves tools?

[spiral fox]

despite that, i reconnected with him and offered to DM on his DEAD AF server to rejuvenate it. he said he was looking for admins rather than DMs, ON A DEAD SERVER

[faint thicket]

Mason tools for damaging a structure

[spiral fox]

what a loser istg

[dim flicker]

oh wow, i've never seen mason tools used ever

[spiral fox]

herbalism kit

[severe rampart]

Healer's Kit

[humble cairn]

This is verging on a callout, which would be against the rules.

[spiral fox]

i am unaware of that

[severe rampart]

also if it counts, bard instrument proficiency

[spiral fox]

my bad :)

[dim flicker]

what did you use it for? i often confuse it with the one for making potions (brewer's supplies...?)

[faint thicket]

Tools actually a lot of sub uses

[humble cairn]

Herb kit is what you use to make healing potions.

[dim flicker]

oh right, i've heard healer's kit is way better in 2024? is that true?

[south prawn]

I called for a Brewer’s Supplies check last session

[faint thicket]

Xanarhar's is great

[severe rampart]

More or less

[spiral fox]

for Potion of Healing

[dim flicker]

gotcha

[humble cairn]

It's the same as it was in 2014.

[severe rampart]

I have this one campaign(?) where you actually have to use skill proficiency and tool proficiency to harvest monsters and craft magical items

[spiral fox]

@dim flicker Brewer's is Alcohol and Poison related, specifically to detect them and make anti-toxins

[severe rampart]

i.e getting a phylum, bag of teeth, essence, etc.

[humble cairn]

They using Heliana's rules? That book really tried to use all the Skills.

[severe rampart]

Heliana's Guide, yep

[dim flicker]

like monster hunter!! edit: i forgor heliana exists

[paper portal]

I was about to say that lol

[humble cairn]

I have a campaign where we used that, too. I think it got a bit tedious, though and people lost interest in it.

[severe rampart]

Third party is also allowed there... they have this big document of allowed content I read through

[severe rampart]

Well yeah, for tier 2 or 3 you need a potent eseence, I nearly died getting a frail essence

[spiral fox]

i need to get that book. will be so fun to level up by monster hunting

[undone rain]

So what sort of patron can the great old one be

[severe rampart]

I dont harvest monsters though, I just buy the magic items from other players

[severe rampart]

Cthulu, iirc? I don't remember

[spiral fox]

for some reason that reminded me of the classic "hunting the purple worm for his poison only for the BBEG to be immune"

[severe rampart]

we got the frail essence(s) from Bagmen, Vampiric Mind Flayers, and a Bone Knight

[lavish flame]

I always think of stuff like Hadar the Dark Star or Dendar the Night Serpent. I think a Slaad Lord could be cool too.

[humble cairn]

Things that are weird and incomprehensible to the human mind.

But as a shorthand yeah, Lovecraftian beings.

[undone rain]

Well that sure is unique

[empty thicket]

someone so big that wont feel you using not even 0.000000000001% of his power

[undone rain]

Ultra instinct shaggy

[empty thicket]

You are literally using a piece of hair of him in power and he wont care

[buoyant oar]

Atropus the World Born Dead is another good one

[twilit sail]

Cthulhu is disgusted by my pcs degeneracy

[woven flint]

Now I'm wondering who my most degenerate pc is

[paper portal]

thatd be me

[woven flint]

What?

[paper portal]

its me

[woven flint]

Proof?

[twilit sail]

YOU ARE THE FATHER

[mystic crystal]

What do you have to do to get the the fricking god of madness to not mess with you lol

[twilit sail]

No no cthulhu is her patron
He watches her like shes a char from a teen drama

[mystic crystal]

Ah

[twilit sail]

"Girl you so bad"

Munches on popcorn

[mystic crystal]

Had a necromancer that would steal the bodies of the people he killed to he could have bodies for his reanimating activities lol.

He had like 10 bags of holding full of dead bodies

[keen hemlock]

My bard hot take is even though its so so fun eloquence kinda has to stay in 2014

[mystic crystal]

Then if we’re at a village where someone had just died or was murdered he’d go to the spouse and offer 10 gold to buy the body for “science”

[keen hemlock]

You gotta use actual black magic to find a way to rework that subclass and not have it be either too terrible or too good

[woven flint]

WHAT?! NOOOO..

Actually

Three of my D&D characters are fathers

My Tortle Cleric and Harengon Wizard both drew the dragon card from the DOMT and have wyrmling children (the harengon is also raising a dragon deity that was reborn after he and his party defeated it)

My Bugbear Rangers Wood Elf wife is pregnant but he doesn't know that yet

[stoic haven]

Wut!

[woven flint]

Yeap

[limber trail]

I don’t mind it conceptually because it’s at least limited to thinks bards already should be good at (I have feelings regarding a certain class’s 7th level feature ahem rogue). A reasonable DM who’s able to say No will be able to work around it.

The issue is that a lot of DMs assume it’s an automatic success on persuasion checks. It is not. It essentially means you aren’t likely to cripplingly fail and that you might just handwave some persuasion checks. Persuasion isn’t mind control after all - there will be plenty of times in an adventure where it’s hard to succeed on a persuasion roll - harder than a 10 on the dice can achieve.

[twilit sail]

Its mechanics are rlly stupid

In a game abt random chance you can just decide to fail

Never

[stoic haven]

I miss playing Nakato 🥲

[keen hemlock]

My guess as to why its like that is that the designers thought bards were so weak outside of roleplay giving them good roleplay is needed

Except they arent

Bards are very very very good supports, so they essentially made the ultimate support giving it access to everything amazing bard already has and also amazing non combat options

[empty thicket]

none of mines are fathers yet... i would like to make it be a close to their stories

[limber trail]

You can 100% fail persuasion checks as an eloquence bard. It’s not an automatic success. All it means is, when calling for low DC persuasion checks, you can probably just handwave it, and that you’ll find a way to silver tongue your way out of bad situations.

There can and should be high DC persuasion checks in games with an eloquence bard. If a bard wants to try something truly risky then yeah the DC on that should reflect the risk.

You also don’t need to let bards roll persuasion. It’s fine to sometimes say “he is unswayed and you get the sense that no matter how eloquent you are, you won’t stray him from his path” or something in certain situations

[still plover]

Some folks just can't be persuaded from what they're set on.

[limber trail]

The classic example is that, no matter how hard you try, you just can’t persuade the king to give you his crown.

[shut lance]

My dwarf was a father..my tabaxi may have been? I know my gnome is

[still plover]

My other thought there is if you're going around, talking your way out of every trouble, that's going to catch up with you at some point.

"Come villagers, join us against the bandits that my party could defeat ourselves with a little effort!"

What's the aftermath of that look like, and who's going to be considered responsible?

With great power, et cetera.

[stoic haven]

Meanwhile me still not having played a bard yet and all my friends saying I am the most bard person in our friend group

[limber trail]

(Also it’s definitely a DC 20+ persuasion check to just convince villagers to randomly join the fight)

But yeah also fantastic advice

Now I will be clear, it’s not an ability that I think makes the class more fun and I can’t say I enjoy DMing for abilities like it

But I don’t think it’s broken

[shut lance]

I am basically doing a non magic bard, so I get you

[severe rampart]

Bards are cool.

[empty thicket]

Yep, a bard is neat and that inspiration tehy give help in some encounters A LOT

a Low HP but High AC enemy is annoying but having a bard giving you that juicy plus and reaching what is needed to pierce it

[rough basalt]

Lord of the land hears about a silver tongued devil who got several of his subjects killed fighting the devils battle for him (stories get twisted by angry people and how they spread)

[still plover]

Oh, totally.

[rough basalt]

Or because you talked your way out of a problem, the larger problem wasn't solved permanently.

Like if you convince a bunch of war separatists who turned to Bandits to protect the roads to a town in exchange for supplies from said town instead of pillaging them, whose to say that status quo maintains.

People hold grudges even if the "reformed bad guys" are keeping their end of the bargain, or maybe one of the other separatists was a Charismatic guy who liked sitting on a throne of food and coin and is turning the "newly reformed" group against the former leader from within.

[glossy otter]

Ngl as you mention seperatists, all I can think is star wars lol

[empty thicket]

almost same

[rough basalt]

Probably wrong word, i just woke back up

Deserters is the right word I think

[sleek cloud]

How exactly are you doin that

[severe rampart]

they just choose not to cast spells

Valor or Dance bard probably

Dance Bard unarmed strikes and Valor Dual Wielder are pretty good builds

[sleek cloud]

Yeah, those two are decent bets for the subclasses, it just sounds like a huge self nerf

[severe rampart]

or maybe they meant they're playing a martial with high charisma skills and stats

[sleek cloud]

Perhaps. I also find it unfortunate that valor bards don’t get any weapon masteries as part of their kit. Like at least give them one with their subclass

[civic bramble]

I’m kind of surprised.

No class fits the character concept I want to play.

[sleek cloud]

What’s the concept

[still plover]

Reflavour your spells as your expertise and talents, and you can keep up with the curve without giving the appearance of being a bard who casts spells (kinda).

[empty thicket]

what is your concept?

[civic bramble]

Do you know the game Bloodborne?

[sleek cloud]

The Harper agent feats help with the non spellcasting bard, ranged help action on an ally

[empty thicket]

A hunter?

[civic bramble]

There’s a character in it, his name is the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst

[empty thicket]

oh her, the crow lady?

[shut lance]

swashbuckler rogue, big on persuasion and social skills, good with combat

[empty thicket]

"A hunter must hunt" lady?

[civic bramble]

He’s kind of like an assassin with a magic sword that has magic abilities (misty strp)

[civic bramble]

The one who stole her coat

[shut lance]

harper agent is a good idea too

[peak pecan]

So you just want to play as one specific person? Of course there’s not going to be a 1 to 1 copy of them in this system

[civic bramble]

I’m bored, okay?

Thus far, none of the characters I’ve made have actually made me feel anything at all.

[peak pecan]

So he’d be a ranger or rogue with a magic item of some sort

[empty thicket]

oh, then no idea sorry, but if its something like bloodborn
I expect going for rogue swash or fighter samurai flavored like her

Bloodborn is mostly light and medium armors so there you have it
High dext so the light armor give you the AC needed
In weapons i think you will find your goal
in play style swash work like a duelist and can use its sneak attack in isolated enemies

If not the fighter samurai give you T.hp and stuff to work around

[civic bramble]

Fair

Idk, I’m just feeling very disenchanted with my characters.

[empty thicket]

About fighting back and getting your HP back like bloodborn i cant give you too much, a bloodaxe is the closest you would be

[empty thicket]

then try something different, out of your "comfort" area

[still plover]

Relax. Prepare frames. Leave the character part for Session Zero.

[civic bramble]

That’s the issue. It’s not a session zero thing. I believe it’s clear that one of the parties I’m in doesn’t really like my character because I’m playing a cleric.

[empty thicket]

wait, let it give the context

[still plover]

They have preconceptions about clerics, or something else?

[knotty vine]

Hey there

[empty thicket]

hey tasha

1 very rare item or 4 uncommon items?

[normal junco]

howdy

[civic bramble]

They seem to dislike the fact that I am religious and am playing a cleric, despite my cleric and my faith being different. They seem to be treating the TTRPG like it’s real life or something and seem hellbent on trying to prove their “better” than my character, which honestly I just want to play the game and enjoy it and not have to worry to much.

[severe rampart]

depending on which uncommon item it can be really good.

4 uncommon items, obviously

[empty thicket]

more options >> one good option (?)

[severe rampart]

Enspelled Half Plate of Shield, Scimitar +1, Shortsword +1, Gauntlets of Ogre Power

[civic bramble]

Not to mention, I have never once actually spoken about what I am, merely mentioned I was religious, and it was enough to stir up a frenzy.

Am I just dumb? Do I not get something?

[empty thicket]

maybe a mix up of concepts, maybe need to sit down and spoke it better or leave the table

sit down in cold and speak with them what would be the problem they have with you and maybe can find there was a misconception

[still plover]

You occupy a space in their mind. Leave that to them and do your own thing. If it's a real bother, have a chat between sessions.

[empty thicket]

if they are just crying and being annoying for the love of the game, leave.

People can and sometimes will be irrational but at the same time some people just misinterpret stuff. If after speaking it they still act in such way.

Leave, not worth the effort and forcing yourself in a not so nice place.

[knotty vine]

Depends on the class but I think id rather take the 1 very rare

[empty thicket]

mmmm.... then 1 legendary // 5 uncommons?

[shut lance]

I am asking ym dm if I can use the harper background/feats despite being set in witherwild..since this is basically what the character was doing anyway (and it modified the same stats I had already chosen)

[knotty vine]

1 legendary duh

[empty thicket]

1 leg // 3 rare?

[severe rampart]

he said "and", you can have both

[knotty vine]

Huh?

[empty thicket]

na tasha took it right

[severe rampart]

"1 legendary and 5 uncommon" so you can have the uncommons and the legendary

though still, it depends.

which magic item? any?

[civic bramble]

And I also mentioned to them as such. I did have a talk with the DM about this, and the DM does see my point, but at the same time said person is a close friend of theirs and I’m aware how extremely nasty that type of a thing can get, especially if they know each other irl. Point being, I did voice the option of also leaving to him and him inviting me back into another campaign with some of the more reasonable people, but he said that me leaving would also do nothing but make me sad, given before everything started I actually enjoyed the game a lot and he also doesn’t want me to give up a hobby due to intimidation.

[empty thicket]

yep, any of each section yeah

[severe rampart]

I'd choose 5 uncommons, then.

[empty thicket]

okey okey

so variety won over rarity

[knotty vine]

My dm doesnt know they faerie are in the 2024 book

[severe rampart]

Cloak of Protection + Enspelled Weapon (Hunter's Mark Shortsword) + Scimitar +1, + Gauntlets of Ogre Power, + Enspelled Armor of Shield (Half Plate)

[normal junco]

4 necklace of fireball and 1 potion of fire resistance.

peace was never an option

[still plover]

The Jason Mendoza approach, I see.

[civic bramble]

Who?

[empty thicket]

Peace can be only obtained through violence or the threat of it.

Any violence you will bring i will use the double.

[knotty vine]

He said "use only 2024 stuff" so i use the faerie from Lorwyn: first light and hes saying that only 2014 has faries 😭

[still plover]

Jason, from The Good Place:
"I'm telling you, Molotov cocktails work. Anytime I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem."

[still plover]

Can you just play around them? Make bonds with the other PCs, do your own thing best as you can?

[empty thicket]

Going to an alchemist to get me Sodium and make daggers with sodium cores and inflict 2d12 fire damage if land on enemies with blood//liquids

but lose the daggers in the use because of the overheat

[knotty vine]

wouldnt that be if the enemy is bloodied

Or if the enemy has blood

[empty thicket]

okey i like it that too, only work on bloodied enemies

[knotty vine]

Im not gonna lie I forgot my fairy had flight

[empty thicket]

Walking and for accident getting stomped

[last flume]

Fairies are for some reason small insteaf of tiny

[knotty vine]

I legit said to another player "wait I can fly" and he said "yeah you got little wings"

[knotty vine]

your thinking of pixies

[last flume]

I am thinking of the player race

[still plover]

That's quite a lot of damage potential. Wonder how it looks against a magic item that does that much?

[knotty vine]

Faires in D&D are about the same size as goblins

[normal junco]

upcast electromagnet at 9th level and just instantly pull the iron from all the blood within a certain radius. luckily that's not an actual thing you can do.

[last flume]

Size. You are Small.

[knotty vine]

Yeah 2-4ft

[last flume]

Big ass Fairy

[knotty vine]

me a fairy with a great sword

A rune knight fighter fairy can become huge at level 5

[hollow thicket]

looking for a campaign that can fit my horribly forbidden Monday GMT+8 schedule makes me feel like aging 3 times faster

it can NOT be this hard to find just one surely

[knotty vine]

Working from home makes playing dnd super easy

[shut lance]

ok approved harper background.
Gives me harper agent feat, and everyone gets a first level feat so.. squat nimbleness cause he is 3 ' 1 "

[dim flicker]

coincidentally the exact schedule i have with my players, so it's certainly not impossible!

[still plover]

South East Asia? I know folk play D&D there.

[hollow thicket]

SEA Mondays are the only days I'm consistently free on as compared to any other day of the week

(at least that's the case for the next 2 months before I have my semester courses rescheduled but that's a future problem)

[knotty vine]

Can anybody guess what my fairies name is

[tame kelp]

When I was an intern teacher I used to teach students how to play DND in my English Club.

[normal junco]

Winginator?

[dim flicker]

first thought was pixie/dixie/trixie/another name somehow that ends in ixie

[feral fulcrum]

Because Fairies are Fairies, not Pixies

[knotty vine]

Its Willow!

Willow Fae (very creative I know)

[sleek cloud]

Quite misleading to say that’s a non magic bard lol, but yes swashbucklers fun

My fairy is named clover and he’s a twin with his sister crimson

[shut lance]

I mean, origin is harper agent, so ranged help action

has no inspiration dice, no spells, but covers a skill monkey overall, and support

[sleek cloud]

I mean, yes, I’m just saying if someone says a non magic bard I was assuming it was still a bard instead of an entirely different class is all

I wish Harper agent was better though, having it still take your action is meh,

[shut lance]

I mean I dont have a way of homebrewing a bard and trading the spells for..what? what would be balanced?

[knotty vine]

Alright chat my dm is strictly 2024 so he took out my fey wild shard BUT he gave me a wand of wonder instead and this like 5 millon times more interesting

[shut lance]

mines is both, but not mixing for advantage

harper agent background was the stat mods I made really.. other than +1 con from gnome. there is no 2024 swashbuckler yet but it lays over without causing issues

[knotty vine]

I wouldnt say trying to go for advantage for homebrew because obtaining advantage is so easy in 2024 its not worth it

also check this out
on a 21-25 Nothing happens at the chosen point of origin. Instead, you have the Stunned condition until the start of your next turn, believing something awesome just happened.

[shut lance]

he really means things like mixing 5e and 2024 druid wildshape

[sleek cloud]

I do hope swashbuckler gets a 5.5 update though

[knotty vine]

How would that work?

[shut lance]

cant pick and choose

[knotty vine]

Ohhhh yeah that makes sense

[shut lance]

if I was doing a soulknife it would have to be 2024

not gonna have expertise in theives tools til level 6 but... ya know what? I am fine with that

he is a social character, and can find the traps to avoid them (which is more fun)

[civic bramble]

Would you need more strength or dexterity to handle a saber?

A curved sword

[crimson gulch]

Depends if your reflavoring Longsword or scimitar

[civic bramble]

Rapier.

I didn’t enjoy how scimitar was only a d6

[shut lance]

I reflavored a scimitar for Errol

[still plover]

It's got the finesse property, so either is fine. Piercing, though.

[civic bramble]

Yeah.

[torpid hound]

Pro tip for DMs: If your players are being murderhobos, just make a Human Fighter with white hair that likes guns bounty hunt them

[shut lance]

I didnt want to mess with the vex mastery

[civic bramble]

That’s the issue: there aren’t a lot of finnesse weapon that deal more than a D6

[torpid hound]

There's the Rapier and that's it

[civic bramble]

Basically.

[shut lance]

@torpid hound replayed thw witcher clip of the rats being decimated

[torpid hound]

What?

[still plover]

Weapon damage is often a compromise of properties.

[shut lance]

I will dm it

[knotty vine]

I really wish that the Irom grip feat was official and not 3rd party

I mean the "verstile dual wielder" part mainly

[rough basalt]

its cause the trade off for finesse weapons is that they don't do a lot of damage outright

[torpid hound]

Wait did no one get the reference?

[knotty vine]

But I think that might be too confusing for new dms

[rough basalt]

In exchange you get to use Dex which makes up for the damage in its sheer power

[civic bramble]

Piercing is a better property than slashing though, so it it that much of a stretch to have something similar to a rapier but with a D8 in slashing?

[empty thicket]

in a way im thankful there isnt too much finnese weapons or higher damage, because DEXT is already giga good

[knotty vine]

Dex is already really good in 5e

It controls a lot

[empty thicket]

Yep, saves, skills, its giga useful

[knotty vine]

Ranged attack rolls armor class Initiative a very common save

[empty thicket]

im only sad that the best of what a rogue can use is a rapier for the sneak attack in close combat

[knotty vine]

When I first joined 5e I was so confused why monks didnt get wisdom and dex save prof until someone told me

[torpid hound]

Laughs in heavy armor and handaxes right before getting decimated by a Fireball

[rough basalt]

Ye everyone gets 1 common save prof and 1 uncommon one

[shut lance]

warlock gets the best and worst of the lot

[torpid hound]

Can't you dual wield?

[shut lance]

wisdom? AMAZING charisma? ..I might be useful twice

[knotty vine]

Sora I have a question?

[torpid hound]

No that's the Artificer

[rough basalt]

I could have an answer im not promising anything

[empty thicket]

yeah, but wont apply sneak attack in all the attacks
The idea is burst in one or few attacks, not in many

[still plover]

That's one for the DM of the table. Me, I'd be fine with it in principle but reserve the right to adjust the cost.

[shut lance]

sneak attack is once per your turn@torpid hound

[knotty vine]

Would you allow the iron grip as a feat in your games I just want your take on it

[rough basalt]

idk what it does

[shut lance]

so dualwielding or nick you just get some damage

[torpid hound]

You're still dealing more damage from the weapon damage alone

[empty thicket]

Until lvl 5 that sneak attack deal 3d6 so...

[shut lance]

another reason I used scimitar for sabre is rapiers are usually longer. and my guy is 3 feet tall

[empty thicket]

Sneak attack scale well i think, its the scaling i would kinda like in HM for ranger

[rough basalt]

sneak attack stays pretty comparable with other martial output as long as you're doing it every time which isnt hard to do

[shut lance]

I would be using short sword stats or carrying a blade as long as he is tall

[empty thicket]

but that is another dance with another music

[still plover]

The common play is to dual wield to maximise your chances of hitting. You swing once, you miss, no sneak attack for you. Two weapons gives you two chances.

[rough basalt]

I love my dual wield rogue

[shut lance]

I use nick, dual wielding but frees up the bonus action

[knotty vine]

Ability Score Increase. Increase your Strength score by 1, to a maximum of 20.
Heavy Duelist. You can wield a Melee weapon with the Two-Handed property in one hand.
Versatile Dual Wielder. While wielding a Melee weapon with the Versatile property in one hand, the weapon has the Light property for you.

[torpid hound]

Only Arcane Tricksters (Somastic Components) and Barbarian/Rogues (Shield) would want to use a Rapier

[rough basalt]

yeah if i owned the book probably

[knotty vine]

I just like the idea of dual wielding long swords

[empty thicket]

I never miss (Had missed all attacks for 1 to reach the AC needed in the last session)

[knotty vine]

Woooo! I never miss!

[civic bramble]

Do Rangers get dual wielding fighting?

[empty thicket]

Yes

[proven mountain]

They can yes

[rough basalt]

the new ranger sub in the FR guide is excellent for it

[empty thicket]

And is one of the best they can use for procking tons of times the HM

[shut lance]

or take Warcaster

[civic bramble]

In 5e

[rough basalt]

oh in 5e, dual wield in 5e is pretty bleh

[civic bramble]

So then what is better for melee ranger

[rough basalt]

It wasnt until the glorious 5.5 that all martial playstyles were truly equal

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[rough basalt]

Greatsword or other large weapon with GWM is pretty much the only play with '14 melees

[shut lance]

I like the grat hammer

[civic bramble]

Damn.

[halcyon forum]

for melee ranger, I like shillelagh and crusher

[empty thicket]

Unless you play for Hm and go dual wielding with nick and prock it tons of times

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah forgot crusher was in tashas

[knotty vine]

What do yall think about the changes from GWM

[rough basalt]

Good

[civic bramble]

Looks like I really can’t be play a good melee ranger while not being bad at something.

[sleek cloud]

I’m good with it

[empty thicket]

instead of being a reroll be a 3 secured?

[knotty vine]

No the minus 5 do 10 damage

[shut lance]

2d6 is more reliable than 1d12 too

[rough basalt]

The power feats weren't very healthy, anyways gotta go

[knotty vine]

I also like mauls

[empty thicket]

for greatsword feel nice because is half of the dice (2d6)
But with 1d10 or 12 feel... limited

[knotty vine]

Later Sora

[still plover]

Bad at... what?

[knotty vine]

I prefer mauls

[halcyon forum]

spike growth, shillelagh and crusher does some decent damage and you can focus on wisdom

[proven mountain]

No one is good at everything, it's why D&D is a team game

[sleek cloud]

Sharpshooter and GWM deserved the changes they got, there was so much reliance on those

[knotty vine]

They are cheaper but htey are heavyer

[shut lance]

everyone is bad at something

[civic bramble]

Are rangers proficient with Medium armor?

[halcyon forum]

yes

[knotty vine]

They are

Ranger is pretty much fighter and druid as one class

[civic bramble]

Yeah, but 5e rangers are kind of just bad in general. 5.5e didn’t really fix Ranger as well.

[knotty vine]

5.5e did.. something to rangers

[empty thicket]

Yeah.

[knotty vine]

I have mixxed feelings about them

[still plover]

What's a specific complaint you have?

[halcyon forum]

rangers are not bad, power scaling wise, they are just frustratingly designed

[knotty vine]

Yeah Omegon said it best

Granted monk before tash and was really struggling to do anything

[empty thicket]

Almost same, i think HM should scale better and the idea of them having like 5 spells or more related to arrows and most being concentration
Meaning you would like to maintain distance for maintain it or have better saves on it...

[sleek cloud]

5.5e monk 😍

[empty thicket]

Its... weird feelings

[knotty vine]

5.5e monk had the biggest glow up of fthe game

[empty thicket]

Martials in general ngl, fighter feel a lot more comfortable

[knotty vine]

At some point they should just allow you to cast HM without concentration on it

[halcyon forum]

I will withold my final judgment of the 5.5e monk until Kensei has been remade

[knotty vine]

Dude I loved Kensei monk

[empty thicket]

Still at that point i have better options for concentrate//cast

[rough basalt]

You get free casts so you can switch between HM and those better spells

[empty thicket]

That is the problem i have with no scaling HM
Yeah still 1d6 FORCE damage

[knotty vine]

I mean itsnot exactly game breaking through

[shut lance]

I always thought ti was bad design. ' rangers dont have to be ranged' - so many spells for arrows

[rough basalt]

You're intended to drop conc on it for other spells, then drop conc on those spells for it when its most applicable

[proven mountain]

The issue I've always seen is that Rangers come from a lot of different places in media and they're hard to pin down. You have Aragorn as an example on one end and then someone like Rexar from WoW on the other. It needs a more understood direction. My own opinion though and I think there are probably many ways it could be looked at.

[empty thicket]

Its... rare... Like, i just said my way to see it

[knotty vine]

Rogues and monks are the ones that are hard to pin down

[empty thicket]

They have concentration spells and i guess is for take distance and dont risk to getting the conc broken

[proven mountain]

Agreed, the archetypes can be hard to define in design decisions because it's so much broader than Rogue = Thief and Monk = Person who punches.

[sleek cloud]

I would’ve liked if rangers had some sort of martial based invocation list they could choose from since there’s such a great ranger style variety

[knotty vine]

Love how monk and rogue at level 7 can just be like dragons fire breath cool still does no damage

[shut lance]

there should be a ranger subclass focused specifically on hit and run like the rogue- but with heavier weapons

[knotty vine]

I would love a hit and run with heavy weapon

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, Evasion is giga good ngl

[shut lance]

some version of sneak attack, dodge

[proven mountain]

Evasion and Steady Aim give me life as a ranged Rogue

[empty thicket]

I am still kinda sad that rogue get a feature related to one of the worst types of damage in the game, Poison

But one cant have everything good

[shut lance]

the scout rogue works well for rangerish feel

[sleek cloud]

Zhentarim tactics will give me life as a Swash rogue when I hit 4

[knotty vine]

Its half the reason why Im not a big fan of kensei even through thats suppose to be the point

[knotty vine]

Dude I remember seeing this one 3 party rogue I wanted to play that pretty much made you spiderman but then I saw half of the kit had to do with posion/ paraylzing

[rough basalt]

fun fact, majority of monsters dont resist/immune to poison

[supple laurel]

Yo

[civic bramble]

Lack of a method to play a decent class that can mostly melee well with a tiny bit of casting.

I think that is my problem.

[empty thicket]

now they dont?

[knotty vine]

If I recall its more or less like...

[rough basalt]

There was some removals but mostly, poison being bad is a dm inflicted thing

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, for the undead, fiends and constructs?

[rough basalt]

DMs will only use the creature types that are blanket immune of it

[knotty vine]

Yeah them

[empty thicket]

yeah, know about it but still, the numbers are there

[rough basalt]

in the 5.5e mm for example its 112 out of 500

[empty thicket]

The most resi//imun damage in the game

and one of the most expensive

[rough basalt]

Ye but its still usable. DMs just need to grow up and start using more monsters

[knotty vine]

Most immune for resistant its not even close

[rough basalt]

Well the poison poisons are for the social pillar, and you're supposed to get a crapload of money by RAW

[knotty vine]

Like that one dnd question of the day only 6 monsters in the 5.5e monster manual are resistance to it

[rough basalt]

iirc you're supposed to get potentially up to 500 gold once per session in tier 1

[empty thicket]

Poisoner feat exist for those 6 (🥀 ) and apply poison to your weapon

[knotty vine]

50 gold for 2d8 aint the worst

[split dagger]

Any spell suggestions for level 3 inquisition cleric? I need 6 spells
Never played cleric before

[knotty vine]

But its also a con save which is a decently bad save to target in all tiers of play

[rough basalt]

The bigger problem is some of the social pillar poisons needing specific monsters harvested, but they're meant for social pillar so it kinda makes sense

[empty thicket]

yeah, was about to mention the giga low saves

[last flume]

Six Spells across al of your Spellslot levels, no?

[rough basalt]

ye saves is the one thing I change

[halcyon forum]

All I need from Kensei is to support monk gameplay with a Longbow and ideally a musket, but I also really want to be able to make a glaive a monk weapon. There is a big martial artist archetype missing without it

[sleek cloud]

Arachnoid stalker from valdas spire of secrets

[split dagger]

Yes?
Its like 2 levels of spellslot
Need 3 cantrip too

[knotty vine]

I would love a kensei using heavy weapos

[woven flint]

Which is why Fighters exist

[split dagger]

Idk what spell do clerics use

[woven flint]

Bless 😎

[knotty vine]

But fighter cant punch as a bonus action bowomp

[halcyon forum]

fighters are not able to fullfill that fantasy

[empty thicket]

200gp for 3d6 damage in one hit with a Save of DC11

[knotty vine]

Thats the one

[woven flint]

Yes, but they have martial skills

[knotty vine]

Also monks capstone is great btw

[sleek cloud]

I hope my dm lets me use the street fighter subclass from that

[knotty vine]

how broken would it be if monk could apply martial arts to all weapons

[woven flint]

I don't think we need a heavy weapon monk as much as the Bonk part of my brain would love it

[halcyon forum]

they know how to wield a weapon, but they critically lack mobility

[knotty vine]

Dex bonk!

[woven flint]

Looks at Tactical Shift abd the speedy feat

[empty thicket]

If fighter could add an extra to his weapons like the other 3 martial classes... but they at least get an extra action and more attacks

[woven flint]

I mean, Fighters mobility is the easiest to fix

[halcyon forum]

not even close to what a monk can do

[sleek cloud]

The idea of doing a heavy weapon monk just doesn’t resonate with me, like if I wanted to do that there’s other classes, if I’m doing monk it’s because I wanna dish out some sick unarmed punches and kicks

[empty thicket]

Barb have rage damage
Rogue have sneak attack
Monk have the unnarmed fighting upgraded
Fighter can chose any fighting style

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah

[halcyon forum]

Zen archer is so cool, and glaives are not really heavy anyway. its just a shortsword on a stick.

[knotty vine]

Monk doesnt need the fighters Unarmed fighting style to be good anymore thank god

[empty thicket]

In many ways luckily, if not an artificer infussed boots could help

[last flume]

Monk has no Weapons Masteries

[knotty vine]

That was my main issue

Kensei monk might get some

It would makes sense

[last flume]

Sure!

[halcyon forum]

I mean I assume a remade Kensei gets masteries. that seems like a given

[knotty vine]

But monk doesnt really need weapon masteries

[last flume]

Agreed

[halcyon forum]

well a weapon monk needs them

[empty thicket]

nop but they have force damage attacks and stun attacks

[woven flint]

You want a heavy weapons user that can do everything a Monk can do and just kinda.. invalidate anyone else who can use heavy weapons because they'd just always be the best option?

[knotty vine]

that makes sense

[empty thicket]

No mastery weapon is that good like what monk get.

[woven flint]

Accidental reply

[knotty vine]

but base monk getting nick would be scary

[woven flint]

Wasn't meant directly at Omegon
general statement 😭

Sorry, boss

[halcyon forum]

a monk with a heavy weapon wont be automatically better than a fighter with one at dealing damage. you are still incredibly MAD compared to a fighter

[empty thicket]

or sap and advantage in force damage attacks

[knotty vine]

I just wanna be able to use a maul and a my punches

[woven flint]

What?

The class that outpaces fighter with attacks up until tier 4?

Sure...

[halcyon forum]

GWM boosts STR, PAM boosts STR, and most of those additional attacks are unarmed strike

[empty thicket]

i like to see monk and fighters like 2 sides of the same coin

The class that can use ANYTHING and hit tons fo times
OR
The class that dont need to use anything and can hit a ton of times

[knotty vine]

True nothing in the 5.5e monster manual is resistence/immune to force damage

[halcyon forum]

meanwhile, a monk wants to get their DEX and WIS up desperately to have half decent AC

[empty thicket]

2 creatures only if im not wrong

[knotty vine]

Im reading and it says nothing

[empty thicket]

Damn, they gutted alive the only 2 poor creatures who resisted force, so in fact force is like a True damage

[rough basalt]

I think the only creatures that can nullify force damage i can remember off the top of my head is one of the Gem dragons

[knotty vine]

Unless you count xanathar but hes wearing a ring of force resistance and thatscheating

[empty thicket]

cut off the finger, hand or arm and he wont

[halcyon forum]

Give a Monk a glaive as Monk weapon and most players wont even take it because its hard to justify all the extra tax to make really shine

[empty thicket]

yeah but at the same time they get tooons of features who help them

[rough basalt]

He's a beholder so gotta cut off eyestalks

[empty thicket]

deflect, clean off effects, etc. etc. etc.

[knotty vine]

The amy gem dragons when they hit adult are the few creatures that are immune the 2014 helm horror was also immune too

[sleek cloud]

I have been reborn

[knotty vine]

Resistance to all damage (but force)

[halcyon forum]

thats like tier4 though

[empty thicket]

Yep, while fighter need to find equipment monk need to lvl up

[knotty vine]

Yeah but still really cool

They even get prof in every saving throw

and can spend a focus point to rerroll

[empty thicket]

indeed

[knotty vine]

But force damage is just stright up true damage in 5.5e

[empty thicket]

and then there is the other coin
Barbarian and Rogue
One want to be focused and tank a lot
Another want to be sneaky and kill fast

[knotty vine]

Only issue I got with barbarian is its lack of taunt effects

[sleek cloud]

One nice part about monks now is their ability to do that force damage at lvl 6 instead of just magical bludgeoning

[twilit sail]

Bard barian hehe

[knotty vine]

It does have a soft one with reckless

[empty thicket]

Going straight to the enemy face and try to choke out the life of their leader//caster//rangers is enough taunt i guess

if not just being in front of the caster of your team is too

[knotty vine]

Its cause that language has been totally removed in the 2024 books/rules

Aka no more magical bps

[sleek cloud]

You just know barbarians are seething when they fight a monk

[knotty vine]

Its either your resistant or not

Ancestral Guardian barbarian has a pretty good taunt effect aka forcing enemies to attack only you

[halcyon bison]

Barbarians are kinda just seething all the time
It’s their whole thing

[woven flint]

Nah, my Barbarians Mog

"I would like to MOG!"

[halcyon bison]

Oh okay
Barbarians except tokiis barbarians

[undone rain]

Well my barbarians pray

[halcyon bison]

Angrily?

[undone rain]

Angrily

[woven flint]

None of my Barbarians "rage" were ever flavored as anger

Except my Berserker

[knotty vine]

Trade out your persuasion roll...?

[halcyon bison]

I just started playing another Dhampir and she’s a barbarian
Her rage is flavored as “hungy”

[woven flint]

Midpir

[knotty vine]

One thing I think is a little crazy is that a normal commoner in dnd can hold there breathe for 10 mins

[halcyon bison]

D:

[last flume]

Isn't it 1 minute+Con **modifier **amount of minutes

[halcyon bison]

Your commoners don’t have 30 con?

[undone rain]

If i was a dnd class irl, i would probs be a warlock. Too lazy to get powers