dnd-discussion

[odd valley]

yeah, vecnas a really old god

[sturdy niche]

also when vecna absorbed iuz he became a true god and after he failed in sigil, he became a lesser deity, he never got sent below that rank to my knowledge

[hollow estuary]

In typical witch fashion she screwed a demon (Graz'zt) and also abandoned iuz lolll.

[sturdy niche]

it isn't

[bronze wave]

oh idk any others

is the tiamat one also up to 20?

[sturdy niche]

the tyranny of dragons story line, orignially making up 2 adventures, proceeds it if we are looking at 5e by RAW

[hollow estuary]

I think it goes up to 15

[odd valley]

in fact, he appeared in one of the very first supplements for the game in 1e

[hollow estuary]

vecna was in 1e

[knotty vine]

Eye of ruin goes from 11-20

[sturdy niche]

the first part does, but you very much are able to and recommended to go up to 20th before fighting tiamat

[odd valley]

man

[knotty vine]

and its pretty bad

[odd valley]

i need to play through some modules as a player

[bronze wave]

in the big 1568

playing dnd during the pilgram era

[sturdy niche]

in your opinion

[knotty vine]

Plenty of people agree its pretty bad 🤭

[sturdy niche]

i hate it when people state their opinions as though they are facts

[bronze wave]

I heard tech you arent even supposed to fight tiamat

[sturdy niche]

yeah, cuz those people have the same opinion

[crimson gulch]

Dungeon of the mad mage too

[bronze wave]

like its recc you try to stop her summoning

[hollow estuary]

Actually it was in 576 CY.

[knotty vine]

The real tiamat is in hell

[sturdy niche]

ideally know, but it is a real possibility in the adventure that is winnable technically

[odd valley]

but also i’ve got like finals and exams coming up

so unfortunately that’ll probably be a no go

[knotty vine]

She was an archdevil for a bit

[bronze wave]

She's scared to run my fade

[sturdy niche]

but you only have that fight to defeat her and send her back to the hells, else she will reach full power and fully manifest than it is gg

[hollow estuary]

Im pretty sure that the manisfestation of tiamat that you fight is atleast being directly controlled by tiamat in that moment

[sturdy niche]

yeah, a long time ago, she has been a deity again for a long time now, especially by the time of 5e appearances

[knotty vine]

Discorporation. When Tiamat drops to 0 hit points or dies, her body is destroyed but her essence travels back to her domain in the Nine Hells, and she is unable to take physical form for a time.

Asmodues is also a CR 30 you can fight but hes like almost unbeatable

[hollow estuary]

A long time ago I said that you fight the real tiamat in ToD.

[sturdy niche]

yeah in the adventure you are basically summoning one of her avatars, presumably the one that is normally guarding the gate to disk

[hollow estuary]

was told it was just the aspect

is true or nah?

[knotty vine]

Pretty sure yeah

[sturdy niche]

honestly it being the real tiamat makes no sense compared to it being an avatar, so many people who know dnd lore disregard that statement cuz it clearly makes no sense

[hollow estuary]

have yall ever beat a hecatoncheires?

I've done it once.

[sturdy niche]

avatar, not aspect, slightly different

[knotty vine]

The aspect is from Fizban

[sturdy niche]

which is also basically an avatar

[knotty vine]

Yeah its also cr 30

[sturdy niche]

but just because aspect is in the name, does not mean that is what it is in function

[knotty vine]

Pretty much the strongest CR 30

[sturdy niche]

CR in 5e for the real tiamat would be "error"

[knotty vine]

Not really

[sturdy niche]

cuz it only goes up to cr 30 for a good reason and her in her true body especially in her lair, is definitely above that

[knotty vine]

Again you can fight the very real Asmodues

Greater god of the 9 hells

[sturdy niche]

in older editions he had a CR

[knotty vine]

He has a cr in 5e too

Chains of asmo

[twilit shell]

Allegedly, that is totally his secratary filling in because big As is on vacation in Ravnica

"Rakdos" is his alterego fr

[atomic kayak]

(Fwiw the chains of asmodeus statblock is extra life. But its still an avatar)

[sturdy niche]

i really wouldn't call it a fight, at least not if we are talking about the *real *Asmodeus in dnd

[hollow estuary]

lesser diety actually

[hollow estuary]

Oh my god, you know?

[knotty vine]

I thought he was greater?

[sturdy niche]

you are not understanding it properly

[hollow estuary]

he WAS far beyond the power of even a overgod

[sturdy niche]

nobody is saying he is not ranked as a greater deity

[twilit shell]

two channels down from here lol. #dnd-rules

[hollow estuary]

dude you know about ahriman?

[knotty vine]

Various myths claim that Asmodeus, has existed since the dawn of time. Perhaps most intriguing among the myths is the Serpent of Law. In it, Asmodeus was initially named Ahriman and, together with his rival Jazirian, created the outer realms. Their conflict led both deities to become severely wounded, and Asmodeus lost the exchange by landing in the Nine Hells. Here, he used his allies and own strength to banish the previous inhabitants and become what he remains today—Overlord of the Nine Hells.

[hollow estuary]

Yeeeeeeaah

no that myth is true btw

[sturdy niche]

the statblock is for his avatar, the form everyone sees, interacts with, and associates with, the real Asmodeus, nobody has ever met or seen his true body has ever survived or returned to talk about it

[knotty vine]

Some claim that his true form is that of a colossal serpent, with gaping wounds and a missing tail. However, no living creature has seen the true Asmodeus. He prefers to do business using one of his ten avatars, each a perfect gentleman, and handsome to boot. They can be identified by the Ruby Rod they each carry, an icon representative of the Dark Lord himself.

[sturdy niche]

yep, of all the myths Asmodeus has shrouding his true existence form the multiverse, i personally believe the serpent of law serpent, if any of them, to be the true origin

[knotty vine]

If Asmodeus dies, his body regenerates, returning to life 13 (2d12) days later.

[hollow estuary]

because it is btw

[knotty vine]

That seems pretty damned real to me

[sturdy niche]

to my knowledge it is canonically ambiguous

but the one that the general multiverse tends to agree on is the fallen angel one

[hollow estuary]

if this is the case then blackrazor from the DMG can kill him for good. (Until one of his millions of subjects casts wish to revive him)

[sturdy niche]

but even the gods don't know for sure

[bitter kraken]

Is there a place here to discuss other TTRPG systems?

[atomic kayak]

Much like how the (original) tiamat statblock is both "actually tiamat" and an avatar, the same applies to asmodeus (which again, is an extra life thing)

[hollow estuary]

#non-dnd-topics

[knotty vine]

The Devil's Greeting. Within 500 miles of his lair, an illusory version of Asmodeus (as if he has cast the Project Image spell) appears. Asmodeus attempts to communicate with any characters and decipher their intentions. If they're hostile, Asmodeus pretends to prepare himself for combat, in an effort to make the character's waste their resources.

[hollow estuary]

yeah its the actual asmodeus

hard to believe but it is infact that

[sudden hollow]

Rn we have a hag contract to fullfill

[knotty vine]

The book is called chains of asmodues

[sturdy niche]

also probably independent of asmdoeus and what ever his statblock would have, he has full control over the nine hells and is the one who appoints archdevils and gives them power beyond what ever they innately had before becoming an archdevil

[knotty vine]

He can SUMMON arch devils

[sudden hollow]

But yeah we are looking for more anti vampire countermeasures than.. throwing me at them

[severe rampart]

oh my player made a deal with a hag, it's gonna bite them back literalyl and figuratively

[hollow estuary]

he can SUMMON archdevils

[sturdy niche]

if asmodeus does not want to deal with you, he can easily make it so you never reach him or die from falling to your death or any other number of ways pretty easily

[knotty vine]

Asmodeus Any devil, including another archdevil

[sturdy niche]

if you do fight him, it is likely because he is allowing it as part of some plot or scheme he has in the works

[knotty vine]

Thats summon underlying

[bitter kraken]

He also bleeds pit fiends.

[hollow estuary]

pit fiends

[knotty vine]

He could summon tiamat if he wants

[hollow estuary]

5.. hundred. pit fiends

[severe rampart]

Oh, DragnaCarta's CoS, also delete that as that is spoilers.

unfortunately even doing the "||" thing isn't allowed

[sudden hollow]

Is that better?

[hollow estuary]

if you didnt kill mephistopholes or dispater before him your in for (even more) hell.

[severe rampart]

learnt that the hard way

[sudden hollow]

Sad

How do we.. discuss dnd then?

[severe rampart]

Spoilers go in #1029833015423143957

[sturdy niche]

honestly the way the hells is designed and functions, you are not getting to asmodeus likely unless you go the long way, meaning you have to travel the first other 8 layers, and survive, and tiamat literally guards the gate connecting avernus to dis

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[strong wave]

Is it okay to show up at a session with an incomplete sheet

[sudden hollow]

Ah.. so .. no discussing in the discussion channel

[knotty vine]

I mean chains does give you a way

[sturdy niche]

so realistically you are not making it to asmodeus let alone fighting him unless he wants you to and brings you to him

[rough basalt]

No discussing spoilers

[hollow estuary]

asmodeus isent untouchable dude

[sturdy niche]

and? do you really think it exists without him knowing?

[knotty vine]

He Kinda is/isnt

[knotty vine]

Oh no he invites you in to meet him

If you deny him he sends an arch devil to fight you

[strong wave]

Who is asmodeus

[knotty vine]

Very funny

[sturdy niche]

when i say "you" i mean a mortal adventurer, regardless how powerful you are

[rough basalt]

The big boss

[hollow estuary]

okay so theirs many ways to become a diety in dnd.

[knotty vine]

Bro forget about magic items

[hollow estuary]

Ide say the best way is through cleric, paladin, or bard.

[sudden hollow]

Well regardless I either gotta find a loophole.. and i have an idea but its tricky, or we are definitely pushing the boundaries on a "no evil pc alignment" lol

[severe rampart]

Unfortunately, no soul in Barovia is 100% good.

[umbral girder]

Server rules stat this channel is for discussion that has no unique channel already.

You can read the channel list in #channel-guide

[sturdy niche]

so?

[sturdy niche]

no, i didn't

[umbral girder]

The Devil

[knotty vine]

if you use 2014 rules and have an assassin rogue with wave he could do half his max hp in one hit

[umbral girder]

Not even “A Devil”

It’s The Devil

[sudden hollow]

Thats a dm rule 😅 our alignments cant be any of the evil options

[hollow estuary]

hes not immune to necrotic?

[sturdy niche]

short answer. the god of devils and the nine hells, the long version, read the realms wiki and check cited sources if wanting more context https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Asmodeus

[knotty vine]

nope

[severe rampart]

That's stupid, what's the line between evil and good, what constitutes you doing the right thing?

[hollow estuary]

L asmodeus ig.

[bronze wave]

isnt there an asomedous stat block?

[knotty vine]

He would take 362 damage

[knotty vine]

There is its just not on dnd beyond

[sudden hollow]

Assasin rogue /sorcerer. Scorching ray with autocrits is great makes up for no sneak attack damage

[sturdy niche]

technically no, outside of an extra life product, at least in 5e, in older editions he did have a statblock and CR

[knotty vine]

Its legit an official stat block 😭

[sturdy niche]

though that was not only an older system but also before he became a fully on deity in his own right

[knotty vine]

Its just not on D&D beyond

[sudden hollow]

Dont ask me. I have always viewed alignments fluidly. The goblins definitely view the lawful good paladin that just smited their dad as evil lol

[knotty vine]

Yes, Chains of Asmodeus is an official Dungeons & Dragons 5e sourcebook written by Wizards of the Coast (WotC) staff, though it was released directly through the DMs Guild rather than traditional retail channels. It is a 286-page book designed for characters of levels 11–20, focusing on the Nine Hells

[umbral girder]

Yeah like Vlaakithh's 5e stat block, just not on D&D Beyond

[knotty vine]

It was made by Wizards!

[sturdy niche]

yeah, i know, it is simply only available via a product for extra life, which you can't get on dnd beyond or in a physical book, at least not to my knowledge, i never said it was not official

[knotty vine]

Theres qutie a few things like that in D&D

[twilit sail]

of the Coast

[sturdy niche]

it is obscure because they have yet to put the time and resources to make it at least available on dnd beyond

[knotty vine]

It also has hell fire which is fire that ignores resistnce and immuntity 1 of 2 creatures that can do it in 5e

Which is kinda scary

[hollow estuary]

In the Forgotten Realms, deities work in a very specific way. Mortals worship you, and by worshipping you, they power you with the raw, vigorous energy of their beliefs. A god's power is largely tied to its worshipers, and other deities in the Forgotten Realms have their power hinge on their followers' faith, unlike the overgod Ao who exists independent of it.

[knotty vine]

Yeah being a god isnt just power its also the amount of followers you have

while a lesser god would have 1000s of followers greater gods would have millions

[hollow estuary]

ive ascended 3 characters to godhood, its easier then you think

[knotty vine]

looks at BG3

[sturdy niche]

3rd party materials/partnered materials have a cantrip of that, it from what i recall does fire and necrotic damage necrotic damage for it's interpretation

[lavish flame]

It is definitely not Official 5e. Official 5e books have a different copyright section than Chains does.

[frail wasp]

eat one godberry, and boom

[knotty vine]

it was made by wizards of the cost

[peak pecan]

That cannot be the only reason it’s not 5e

[knotty vine]

How is it not 5e

[undone bloom]

you sound like you win at D&D

[shy stirrup]

The I in BECMI was a ruleset allowing mortal PCs to ascend to godhood

[hollow estuary]

Naw its just because of divine ranks.

[sturdy niche]

you are literally telling me stuff i do not already know, and not since the time of troubles have mortals been able to just become deities, it is a lot more rare and restricted since then, lord Ao himself has to approve any new deity, be it pre-existing or otherwise, in realmspace

[hollow estuary]

almost all my ascended characters died immediantly and were devoured by evil and more powerful dieties

basically I am a plankton and shar is a whale

[umbral girder]

Also Divine ranks aren't as much of a thing since AO broke those rulings during the Second Sundering

[lavish flame]

Its not the only reason, but its definitely one of the stronger ones. Its not part of the official 5e product line because it isn't legally owned by WOTC

[normal junco]

the hazing of new deities is a shameful practice

[sturdy niche]

except they are

[atomic kayak]

Yea its Extra Life

[hollow estuary]

again its shar.

[atomic kayak]

Regardless though

[umbral girder]

Basically the 5e way of throwing away a 3.5e system

[lavish flame]

its full title is Arcanum Worlds Presents Chains of Asmodeus, like this is definitely not WOTC official

[hollow estuary]

I have one character that actually survived the ascension, wasent in TFR though.

old lady peace cleric who became a intermediate diety of charity and temperance.

patron diety is rao

played as a avatar of her for the rest of the campaign

[sturdy niche]

after the second sundering the divine ranks are basically more simplified https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Deity#Types_by_Rank

[umbral girder]

You didn't read my message it seems.

[lavish flame]

I was a little dissappointed that terms like "Demigod" and "Vestige" didnt appear in the FR Pantheon in the new FR books

[primal estuary]

turns out my dads still alive

wrong server wasn’t paying no attention sorry

[primal estuary]

but for anyone wondering this is bad news

[umbral girder]

Why would it?

[primal estuary]

wait that’s not dnd related. uhhh my dad rolled well on his death save

but he’s playing a chaos evil murder hobo

[lavish flame]

Just something to include with the pantheon that I figured they'd include. Especially after having seen how much they did with Renown, I figured their stuff about Gods would have also made it into the book.

Plus it would immediately clear up confusion re: "Is Bane a Greater God in 1501?"

[odd valley]

is there another slight time jump between 5e and 5.5e?

[junior jasper]

Guys, I have a question. Do you think Strahd is gay and in denial? Think about it. He is obsessed with a specific woman to prove to himself that he’s definitely not gay, because no one would be that obsessed with someone unless they were trying to prove something to themselves. Also, he is extremely jealous of his brother, who is definitely straight. Also, have you seen his outfit and the way he sits?

[odd valley]

not gay, but in denial (of the fact that he can’t make the woman he loves fall in love with him iirc, thus he’s the biggest incel known to man)

[atomic kayak]

No, because the actual edition is still just 5e

[junior jasper]

I think that that is a valid opinion.

Probably true.

[fossil hollow]

hes just an incel, i wouldnt give him to the gay community ever

[junior jasper]

Ok, yeah, makes sense. By the way, as a member of the gay community, I’m stealing him.

[lavish flame]

For the Forgotten Realms, kinda? Acquisitions Incorporated was set in 1496 and Forgotten Realms: Heroes and Adventures is set in 1501. 5 years is hardly a proper time skip, but time has passed.

[knotty vine]

I rolled a 100 on a d100 today

What are the odds

[odd valley]

yeah ok thanks for the answer

[knotty vine]

and 2 nat 20s

[odd valley]

so time has moved forward

[lavish flame]

Acq Inc was the furthest into the timeline we had gotten before the FR books, thats why I kentioned it

[knotty vine]

Felt like I was hakari

[crimson gulch]

No, he's got consorts of many genders

[atomic kayak]

(5e has jumped between what. 50 years of the FR? over the course of all its books/modules)

[lavish flame]

Strahd is openly bisexual at minimum

[knotty vine]

I feel like Strahd would be pan if he knew what that was

Just a hunch

[atomic kayak]

My bad, its only almost 20. But same point (being that its never stuck to just 1 time)

[lavish flame]

if you want to get technical, 5e spans like 3500 years of FR history due to one alternate ending to Icewind Dale. Besides that it has mostly ranged from 1485-1496 since Tyranny of Dragons

[knotty vine]

dang really?

[atomic kayak]

Stormwreck isle iirc is like, 1480 (or 81?)

[knotty vine]

I stillw wanna know what dwarfs were doing in dnd lore

[atomic kayak]

what setting

[knotty vine]

During the second flowering

[lavish flame]

Yeah, the early 5e stuff was in the 1480s, most 5e adventures are set in the early 1490s. There's a weird plurality of adventures that take place in 1492

[knotty vine]

Seems like humans and elves were the only one really making moves besides like you know the big guys

[odd valley]

including bg3

[atomic kayak]

I don't actually know the years a lot of the newer books are set in

[umbral girder]

the 5.5e books are in 1501+ mainly

[atomic kayak]

like all the anthologies (a few of which take place in (or at least partially in) the FR)

[lavish flame]

Under absolutely zero circumstances should BG3 take place in 1492 and it actually kills me that BG3 devs made it officially 1492. I've gone on the spiel before, this is my white whale.

[umbral girder]

Neat changes to learn like how Elminster is no longer a Chosen of Mystra

[knotty vine]

Mystra needs to lose ALL her power

[lavish flame]

BGDIA has to take place in 1494 per its writing, but the Baldur's Gate Gazetteer is written to depict the city in 1492, this then made people assume that BGDIA is set in 1492, when it isn't. Baldur's Gate 3 made it canon that BGDIA took place in 1492 or before. cuz by 1492 in BG3, BGDIA has already occured. Terrible, I hate it.

BG3 canonized a timeline that makes no sense.

As if I needed another reas9n to dislike BG3

[nocturne turret]

my body hurts 😭

[umbral girder]

Why couldn't it just happened in the same year?

[cerulean monolith]

I do love trolling laced with homophobia masked as an inability to think critically.

[lavish flame]

BGDIA and BG3? They can't because BG3 is set in 1492 and BGDIA has to be set 50 years after 1444. BG3 is somehow set after BGDIA, but still within the year 1492.

[knotty vine]

67

Bowomp

[fossil hollow]

I killed Tamms

[empty thicket]

50 gorillas with steroids or 400 baboons with rabies?

[knotty vine]

400 baboons

[nocturne turret]

50 gorillas

[knotty vine]

Thats a lot of baboons

[umbral girder]

Trying to find the part where it said exactly 50 years.

What page of a the Gazetteer/module was it?

[jolly canyon]

I love bg3 ignoring canonical timeliness be obnoxious tho. I won't defend that

[little stream]

I'll be surprise if there's a referee

[odd valley]

and the characterization of zariel in it

[nocturne turret]

he is the referee

[jolly canyon]

Yes! I heard that was baaaad

[knotty vine]

BG3 is and isnt dnd

[jolly canyon]

They did zariel dirty afaik

[knotty vine]

I wouldnt take it as cannon

[empty thicket]

good, i will roll a 1d40 and with that i will determinate how many of them can counterspell you

[little stream]

A video game is its own entity, never thought Pillars was canon to DnD

[peak pecan]

With chronomancy all things are possible

[umbral girder]

I do see the 1944 just trying to find the 50 years thing

[tame estuary]

the 50 years is mentioned a lot

[lavish flame]

Its the background to the adventure and some other plot moments, this is from Introduction: Adventure Background

That day came in 1444 DR, when Elturel was conquered by a vampire lord. A priest of Torm named Thavius Kreeg appealed to any power to help him save his holy city.
This establishes when he starts the deal. Then Chapter 1: Candlekeep reads us aloud the terms of the deal.
I further recognize that this dispensation will last fifty years, ...

[umbral girder]

Ah there it is (also might need that spoiled)

[tame estuary]

it's such a weird chapter

they went to an entirely new city just for loredump

[grizzled lance]

What needs to be spoiled

[little stream]

My tummy!

[lavish flame]

I removed the section that might breach spoilers

[sudden hollow]

What is the best way to break a stone/brick wall without using thunder damage

[grizzled lance]

Your what now

[tame estuary]

bombs

[idle oar]

Bludgeoning damage that meets/beats the objects damage threshold

[stray lantern]

Counterpoint, she's bald

[sudden hollow]

Hmmm okay both of those may be.. difficult

[grizzled lance]

I thought it would be a pickaxe

[crimson gulch]

Summon an earth elemental or other seige monster.

a cannon or dynamite

[little stream]

Hmhmm yes, got nothing to grab on. Fun times indeed

[sudden hollow]

Those are also.. Difficult

[jolly canyon]

Dang. I got no comeback

[little stream]

I'm playing dude, I admit. I'm hungry tho

[stray lantern]

No, all bald people are evil as we all know, you cannot be evil and have hair.

[tame estuary]

when all else fails there's always just clipping through the wall

[stray lantern]

Look at Horus Lupercal, has hair? Good Horus. No hair? Eeeevil

[little stream]

I got a joke ready but this place isnt for it

[sudden hollow]

Ima cast silence to prevent anyone from hearing, but speed is still necessary 😅

[stray lantern]

Neither does Zariel after she fell

[sudden hollow]

Im a rapier user.. so i dont think i can bring the wall down

[tame estuary]

could also use a drill

[blissful ibex]

Simply cast catapult on the rapier and slam it into the wall c:

[sudden hollow]

Hmm ill need to see if I get that spell

That could work

[blissful ibex]

Using an Adamantine maul c:

[stray lantern]

Yeah but the rapier is too bendy unlike a pickaxe which has the weight and robustness needed to chip away at rock

[blissful ibex]

or; Passwall/Stone Shape/ Transmute Rock

[sudden hollow]

I definitely dont think i get those

[sudden hollow]

Thats so far out of the question

[stray lantern]

You got pitons?

[sudden hollow]

Uhhh maybe

[stray lantern]

Hammer, pitons, hammer them in close to one another to take larger and larger chunks out

[blissful ibex]

hirelings maybe?
Hire some commoners to come out with sledges and just go ham on it

[woven flint]

Our Rogue died and was eaten by Ghouls...

But, I drew the temple card sessions ago
And used the divine intervention to reincarnate him
... he was a Saytr.. now he's a Kenku!

[sudden hollow]

Nope I dont

[stray lantern]

Depending on the thickness of the wall, how solid it is, it could take an hour ish to a few hours

[stray lantern]

What do you have?

[sudden hollow]

Also .. not an option

[empty thicket]

Pick a log, 4 persons holding it and ram through it

[stray lantern]

Sledges won't do shit, gotta chip at it

[sudden hollow]

Uhh.. a few spells, a rapier. A shield, and a priest pack

[sudden hollow]

Dont have 4 people

[blissful ibex]

Sadly portable ram only works on doors
https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/408-portable-ram

[sudden hollow]

Yeah all of these are much too high level

And my class gets none of them by the looks of it

[empty thicket]

C&$@p, welp, throw a rock giga fast

[stray lantern]

If it's a solid steel shield ala heater shields, depending on the material you could scratch into the wall and slooowly chip through it

[blissful ibex]

Which class?

[sudden hollow]

Cleric

[idle oar]

"Can I make a strength check to push the wall over?"
If the DM allows it... you may be in luck.

[sudden hollow]

I have bad strength...

[idle oar]

That's why you have a party of adventurers

[blissful ibex]

Can you climb over it or dig under it instead, or do you have to go through?

[sudden hollow]

They... cant be involved, at least not the 2 most capable of doing it

[sudden hollow]

Probably through. Over is not an option, under prolly isnt

Their may be a big enough window.. but the bars would be another issue

I havnt scouted the place out, and im hoping its an option to begin with.

[stray lantern]

@sudden hollow spiritual weapon, pickaxe, smash smash and make a hole, generally stone walls have like 10-30 hp

[sudden hollow]

Hmm that spell i should have

[stray lantern]

Unless the damage threshold is too big for the wall, at which point it's a bit iffy, depending on what your dm rules

[sudden hollow]

Okay I do sweet

[stray lantern]

I forgor what the damage threshold would be for a wall

[sudden hollow]

Uh.. if its too high im boned cause max damage with spiritual weapon is like.. 11

[stray lantern]

Off the top of my head I think walls of stone have a threshold of 20?

[sudden hollow]

I can deal a max of 11 unless I crit

[idle oar]

I mean talk to your DM and rest of your group - D&D is a collaborative game and maybe they can provide some ideas and suggestions.

and that might inspire the DM to let you try something unconventional

[sudden hollow]

Or counter it

[idle oar]

A good DM is not an enemy - and if they are being adversarial (versus presenting in-game problems for the group to resolve) there's bigger issues that need to be dealt with then playing D&D.

[sudden hollow]

Also, I wont be able to talk to the party until we are there

[lavish flame]

This might be the time for "You spend an hour using the right tools, and the wall crumbles" or it might be "the wall is indestructible" but you won't know until you ask your DM. You can ask these questions outside of the session

[stray lantern]

I'd advise chatting with the DM and trying to see if specifically making a pickaxe spiritual weapon to pick away at the wall would actually affect it and bypass the damage threshold rule

[idle oar]

Or even the "You find a secret door"...

[sudden hollow]

I can try that. Cause I dont think walls care about radiant damage

[sudden hollow]

I dont think this is oblivion

[stray lantern]

Spiritual weapon is force damage

[sudden hollow]

Ik

My only other damaging spell is guiding bolt

[stray lantern]

Doubtful radiant damage would do much against a wall tbh

[sudden hollow]

Shatter would be my go to. But also the worst possible option

And the only party member who can cast it CAN NO KNOW ABOUT THIS

[lavish flame]

walls tend not to care about the whole cosmic "angels vs devils" stuff yeah

[sudden hollow]

NOT*

[stray lantern]

Ye, and it's often described as like "pure energy of radiant light" or similarly flavoured fire.

[sudden hollow]

... I always flavor it as radiation..

The mechanics kinda support that too😅

Radiant and necrotic both

The behave like different kinds of radiation

[lavish flame]

Usually its just "holy-juice" barring the one exception of Sickening Radiance, which is supposed to be Movie Radiation (aka a thick green sludge that kills you)

[sudden hollow]

They*

[umbral girder]

Or take my favorite tactic from the hit game Shadow the Hedgehog (2005)

"After heavy amount of work and an entire hour, you collapse the wall to find a 2nd wall."

[sudden hollow]

An hour would be soooo slow

Guards would surely notice

Also silence doesn't last that long

I have 3 second level slots to work with

[lavish flame]

We have this Radiation discussion somewhat often, but Tasha's gave us an out. When asked "how should a DM simulate natural disasters?" Tasha's answers with a list of spells to use. For "Radiation" they wrote Blight and Circle of Dealth, which both do Radiation.

Suns (or at least, Solar Dragon Lairs) also do Radiant damage tho, so who knows what Radiant really means.

[sudden hollow]

I can see if dynamite exists.. it is technically my best option

But I doubt id find any in time

[lavish flame]

dynamite sticks should exist yeah. They're in the Dungeon Master's Guide, under their Explosives section

[sudden hollow]

Hmm maybe I can find some.. may need to 5 finger discount it tho.. im kinda broke

Bought a lot of pie

[nocturne turret]

ill help you plaguewalker

[sudden hollow]

Im actually the best thief in the party.. sadly

I can out sneak and out lockpick the rogue..

I have bettwr bonuses to both

[lavish flame]

that must suck for the Rogue

cuz thats like "wow I'm playing second fiddle in my expertise"

[sudden hollow]

I feel a tad bad

I boned the party playing tanks before.. now i play dex tanks with medium armor master so I don't have stealth disadvantage

And still have decent damage output

Rapier's for the win

Best weapon imo, I can still use a shield, deal good damage. And damage scales off ac stat

[lavish flame]

Rapiers are pretty nice. I'm making a Fighter rn and am sturggling to not choose one. I want to use spears and polearms for this guy

[sudden hollow]

Lol but shieldsss

One thing I hate rn is I wanna make an unarmed fighter.. but they kinda suck

[lavish flame]

yeah, Unarmed Strikes are pretty unsupported unless ur a Monk

[sudden hollow]

So many abilities require a "weapon attack"

I settled on the rune knight subclass, giants might works with unnarmed.. fire rune doesnt saddly

So I will be missing a huge damage source

But he is made to grapple so the battlefield control should make up for it

[empty thicket]

Halberd and greataxe have Cleave that is really useful for crow control
Sadly there is no 2 hands weapon that have SAP from what im seeing

[sudden hollow]

Ah 5.5e

[empty thicket]

its... rare to use in general

Why you would pick fighter who is the master in weapons to not use any?

[woven flint]

Strahd has apparently been confirmed to be bisexual as he has both male and female consorts

Oops, meant to ping the person

[idle oar]

now that was kind of a random interjection

[woven flint]

I know it's a late response but yeah

[sudden hollow]

Why is unarmed a fighting style?

[woven flint]

I know, sorry, I just joined back and my discord was on that message lol

[little stream]

I mean if someone told me they're bi and they hot hot, I wouldnt be mad

[idle oar]

No worries! I found it amusing

[empty thicket]

If you are in a place that you wont have any weapon it can work, a jail, a dessert island, etc. etc.

or mutliclass for monk and get a good upgrade on it

But it have a whole ball of problems for me in many things like other fighting styles

[umbral girder]

As we all know this is a universal part of weapon masteries /jk

[sudden hollow]

May have too. But trying to avoid it. I multiclass too much

[empty thicket]

Throwing weapon would be for STR range options while Archery would be for Dext options

[woven flint]

I'm a pretty silly guy :3

[empty thicket]

Blind fight is situational but if you have a non dark vision race or some way to get it is giga useful

and let open opportunities and options for your allies

[sudden hollow]

Arent... all hot vampires bi? I thought it was a legit part of being a hot vampire

[empty thicket]

Darkness, fog cloud, etc. etc.

[sudden hollow]

Dont those... inhibit your allies?

Blocking their view and giving them disadvantage on attacks?

[empty thicket]

Then there is the weapon related fighting styles
Dueling (1 hand weapons)
Two weapon fighting (2 weapons)
Great weapon (Use 2 hands weapons)
And finally unnarmed (No weapons)

[empty thicket]

Yes and no
An ally or you would cast those and if your fighter, paladin ,etc. Have BlindFight they can see inside of 10fts of distance

Meaning they wont get the disadvantage that it give

[woven flint]

What does being hot have to do with being bisexual?

I'm not hot, but I'm bisexual :p

[sudden hollow]

This is my first fighter that wasnt a defense fighting style

[empty thicket]

Some people would argue that give you advantage, others nope, depend of who you ask

[sudden hollow]

What... vampire isnt depicted as hot?

[broken imp]

as a random comment, prob the best fighting style the ranged thingy that gives +2 to hit for ranged weapon

[woven flint]

What's the correlation between Hot and Bisexual?

[sudden hollow]

Idk, just a stereotype that vampires are hot, and bisexual 🤣🤣

[broken imp]

just a suggestion but maybe #non-dnd-topics

[empty thicket]

Archery, yeah its good fighting style for a Dext//Range fighter

Maybe i would add +2 in damage but that is me, i know that would be broken

[woven flint]

... its related to Strahd, who is a vampire in D&D.

[sudden hollow]

Never understood archery as a fighting style. Just play ranger

[empty thicket]

Sit down buddy because what im about to tell you is going to blow away your shoes
Ranger is better dual wielding than using a BOW.

Or any other range option.

The one that use better the range attacks is Rogue

[sudden hollow]

Idk.. every time I have a player play ranger with a bow I have to rebalance the fights cause he just slaughters everyone

[broken imp]

oh nvm it just looked like a very uhhh interesting discussion for a sec

[fossil hollow]

that sounds like you might need to up your encounter building

[empty thicket]

But coming back to this, remember Figther is a Jack of ALL trades.
Any weapon, armor and range he can take it

[sudden hollow]

I only have to do it for ranged rangers, works fine for everyone else

[fossil hollow]

again

point still stands

[sudden hollow]

Im not allowed to use smart goblins anymore...

[broken imp]

well sharpshooter's -5 to hit for +10 damage mean u want more +to hit, and +2 is really nice

[empty thicket]

Close range? any martial sword, axe, etc. etc.
Middle range? crossbows, javelins. Reach weapons for that 10ft of advantage
Long range? Longbow and H.crossbow

[broken imp]

wah... since when? hand crossbow better that them all

[empty thicket]

And it have some subclasses who work well with anything. Such like Champion, eldritch knight and Banneret

[rough basalt]

Yeah if a ranged PC is breaking your encounters you got encounter building issues.

[sudden hollow]

Yeah im not carrying that many weapons. Even as a fighter, one or 2 tops normally one

[sudden hollow]

Its not a ranged pc, its ONLY rangers. Casters and rogues at range are no issue

[empty thicket]

Now battlemaster work better with close range weapons
Arcane archer work better with Range weapons
Samurai.... YES.

[broken imp]

cough cough um i dunno for what i've seen ranged has been stronger than melee, tho i've only studied 5e in detail

[rough basalt]

Idk how a Ranger is being that much problem.

[broken imp]

yea for it to be really op u need to multi class

[empty thicket]

Start putting covers in the battle arenas, so its harder to hit some enemies or apply pressure on them forcing them to dont be able to take range attacks

[paper portal]

???

[rough basalt]

It's not a ranged vs melee

It's ranged vs bad encounter building.

[paper portal]

plain ranged is nothing special but kiting is incredibly busted

[little stream]

Bow users are overly, overpowered. I can safely say that

[south prawn]

Maybe it's the player and their tactics, not the fact they're playing a Ranger

[paper portal]

true

[empty thicket]

But in any way, in resume, unarmed fighting is weird.

[sudden hollow]

Its horribly unloved

[broken imp]

unnamed? wdym is this a fighting style/feat?

[rough basalt]

It's where you fight without a name.

[sudden hollow]

Unarmed

[rough basalt]

Gives you +3 to damage rolls

[paper portal]

This is a 5e specific problem but ranged characters also have higher dpr than melee which is stupid

[little stream]

Maidenless figthing

[broken imp]

huh it sound like a really cool option: i killed a dragon with my fists : )

tho sharpshooter might be better with a +10 to damage

[empty thicket]

Yep, but at the same time is... weird

[rough basalt]

Whats weird about punching stuff

[empty thicket]

Depend of the setting, maybe in one setting where you are a pit fighter you would find it more fitting

[rough basalt]

Unarmed fighting isn't a setting thing lol

[paper portal]

yeah power attacks are pretty much meta defining in terms of 5e martials

[empty thicket]

in a class that the less it do is punching?

[broken imp]

yea ik right? so fun

[empty thicket]

Yes, is unnamed until i name it wiht something

[rough basalt]

A fighter? They fight whatever way they know best. And if that's punching, well that's their prerogative.

[empty thicket]

I was thinking of naming it "food fighting style"

[sudden hollow]

He ducks and weaves through buildings, boxes, rocks, trees, and just picks the enemies off like child's play. And he always picks races with good movespeed, or jumping, or builds some crazy combo that makes him basically never miss and roll great damage nearly every time. I almost banned him from playing Rangers, but after 4 sessions in a dungeon with 40ft/40ft rooms he calmed down

[empty thicket]

Still, you get what i mean that in a class that can use ANYTHING literally, using only their hands is... weird

[rough basalt]

They're a weapon.

[empty thicket]

Like, i get why such fighting style exist

[sudden hollow]

Thats the issue. They added the style... and then no support for it.

[broken imp]

oh so like my random build that i made while i was bored

[rough basalt]

There is support for it.
Grappler, fighter subclasses

[woven flint]

Crusher

[rough basalt]

The only fighter sub that actually needs a specific weapon is Arcane Archer and why the hell would you play that nonsense.

[sudden hollow]

Grappler... sure. Non of the subclasses are good for it

You lose use of a lot of their abilities

[little stream]

Hear me out, degastani? 3 years you forget

[empty thicket]

Champion is good with any weapon
Banneret dont have any use in weapons
Eldritch knight almost same idea
Psi warrior same

[little stream]

Perfect subclass name

[empty thicket]

And yeah, Grappler.
It exist and you can do stuff with it but...

[rough basalt]

The only fighter subs that require a weapon is arcane archer iirc

Battlemaster maneuvers just require the attack action or an attack roll for the offensive ones.

[broken imp]

tbh u can prob make up the most dumb build idea and still make it nice

[knotty vine]

I really wanna throw a "Booyahg Booyahg Booyahg" at my players

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, i wont deny it.
I know that i can make work such thing like a fighter who dont use weapons

[sudden hollow]

A lot of maneuvers specify weapon attacks, runeknights damage runes specify weapon attacks, eldritch Knights entire thing is a bound weapon and magic, psi warrior im not sure. Pretty sure it was just bad

[empty thicket]

Isnt hard, go for EK or Champion and that it is

[knotty vine]

Hey Fracnco

I have a question for you

[empty thicket]

EK compenste
Champion can get you a second fighting style for either defense or blind fight

[rough basalt]

Nah they say attack roll or outright say or unarmed strike

[empty thicket]

yepy?

[rough basalt]

Not attack roll with a weapon.

[knotty vine]

If you could take any two subclasses and smash them together what would you do (It has to stay the same class I.E no Echo knight twlight cleric)

[rough basalt]

And EKs bonded weapon is not really that important

[empty thicket]

same class?

[rough basalt]

As you can just draw weapons as part of attacks

Ah I see Eldritch Strike requires a weapon.

Then you just carry a weapon to proc that then go back to fists.

[knotty vine]

It has to be two subclasses that are apart of the same class

Like echo knight battle master

[rough basalt]

And yeah Psi Fighter I see.

[sudden hollow]

Im not seeing any attack ones that say unarmed, they all say weapon attack, or they are for checks

[rough basalt]

Must be 2014 then

[little stream]

How bout check em these hands roll

[sudden hollow]

Yes

[rough basalt]

2014 didn't care about any weapon styles other than Bow and Greatsword

[broken imp]

divination + scribe? or maybe hmmm...

[knotty vine]

I can see it

[sudden hollow]

I do not touch 5.5e it took away too many of my fave things

[rough basalt]

Welp that's your choice.

[empty thicket]

Banneret and Champion
one interact with second wind and action surge and another stuff and champion stuff work itself really well. Its general upgrades

[knotty vine]

I mainly play 5.5e for monk and sorcerer

[rough basalt]

The new rules let you use more weapons viably

Notably unarmed

As new Grappler mops the floor with that joke of a feat from 2014

[knotty vine]

old grappler was so checks

[sudden hollow]

Yeah, but thats like sitting in dumpster, cause you get to wear a crown. Not a worth while trade

[empty thicket]

Rogue ASSASSin and soulknife
One upgrade you the lethality and another give you weapons to work with

[rough basalt]

Old Grappler feat was you take an action to restrain yourself and the target making you both have Advantage on attacks against you

[knotty vine]

assassin got mega nerfed

[broken imp]

no wait twilight + forge/light/order/peace?

[empty thicket]

Any artificer subclass work with each other

[empty thicket]

still both would work good with each other

[knotty vine]

True

[sudden hollow]

At most I would cherry pick like.. 2 things from 5.5e and put them in 5e

[rough basalt]

God I'm so glad they updated the corebooks cause those original ones were a dumpsterfire

[knotty vine]

5e feels to easy imo

5.5e is a little harder when it comes to monsters

[rough basalt]

It was just
"You're a martial? Alright play Fighter or Paladin then take GWM PAM or Sharpshooter anything else you multiclass"

[knotty vine]

Im so glad the removed Magical/non magical BPS

[empty thicket]

Sorc any wild magic with other subclass

[broken imp]

yea it changed a few things on spells and um i dunno if like it

[fossil hollow]

huh?

[rough basalt]

Because 5e had major class disparity

[knotty vine]

yeah cause the demon can cast fireball twice now

[rough basalt]

Certain classes outright sucked compared to others in the same category.

[knotty vine]

and the lich can live for more then 2 turns

[broken imp]

oh yea lol the wild magic is no fun which is why i made my own chart

[knotty vine]

People think wild magic isnt fun 😭 ?

I have plenty of fun with the new wild magic

[broken imp]

it's not very risky

[rough basalt]

Old Wild Magic was hilarious on paper but ultimately boring. Since it relied on the dm remembering you had WM

[sudden hollow]

I am doing that too, making multiple, different ones for different planes/areas

[lavish flame]

I've thought about this heavily in regards to doing 5e/5.5 Prestige Classes. I kinda wish you could grab 2 subclasses if you did stuff to get the second one. 3.5 Assassin required you to do Assassin-like stuff as a Rogue to be allowed to be an Assassin. In my mind, you could get your first Subclass for free, but your Prestige Class would require some investment, either with RP or with other mechanics.

[sudden hollow]

Not really?

[knotty vine]

Yeah.. getting blown up by fireball has its charm but once it happens for the 4th time it gets boring

[rough basalt]

You could only surge with the dms permission

[broken imp]

i don't like both wild magic table,

[sudden hollow]

Also.. no?

[knotty vine]

Sora is right the dm had to roll not the player

[lavish flame]

It absolutely did, RAW you needed your DM to tell you to roll a d20 after u cast a levelled spell, and if it landed on a 1 your WM popped off. It didn't do so otherwise

[sudden hollow]

Oh the players have always rolled, and even then thats only if they didnt use their advantage

[knotty vine]

c. Once per turn, the DM can have you roll a d20 immediately after you cast a sorcerer spell of 1st level or higher. If you roll a 1, roll on the Wild Magic Surge table to create a magical effect. If that effect is a spell, it is too wild to be affected by your Metamagic, and if it normally requires concentration, it doesn't require concentration in this case; the spell lasts for its full duration.

Tides of Chaos

[rough basalt]

"Once per turn, the DM can have you roll a d20 immediately after you cast a sorcerer spell of 1st level or higher."

[knotty vine]

the dm can roll

[rough basalt]

Sorcs needed that permission from big dm

Same with Clerics and old DI

[knotty vine]

Any time before you regain the use of this feature, the DM can have you roll on the Wild Magic Surge table immediately after you cast a

[lavish flame]

Tides of Chaos doesn't even force ur DM to make u make that roll, its just an option of theirs. If your DM forgets, Tides of Chaos is a 1/LR ability

[rough basalt]

You could just not have a subclass RAW cause the DM would be running RAW not letting you roll it.

[knotty vine]

Yeah

New wild magic much better in the fact that it allows the player to roll

[rough basalt]

Same with DI

Instead of "mother may I roll a percentile for something to happen"

And the DM can just make nothing happen and it's fine.

[lavish flame]

I overall prefer 5.5 for having gotten rid of the few "DM, may I?" abilities that 5e had

[rough basalt]

Especially since some DMs would lord it over people ime.

Same type of people that usually monkey paw'd the standard wish replicate spell even tho it doesn't monkey paw.

[knotty vine]

in dnd 5e it was 24% was cosmetic/nerutal 22% were bad and 48% were good

[twilit sail]

i misread that as 5.5 getting rid of the dm

[knotty vine]

the other 8% was just monster summoning

[knotty vine]

5.5e removes a lot of DM fiat abilites

[broken imp]

i dunno if this is had been a good idea but my party wanted me to make the campaign harder so i made thisa amulet of wild magic that has really punishing effects and a really high chance of activation...

[rough basalt]

I remember a story about a DM that had a homebrew rule where all nat 1s rolled WM

[lavish flame]

Druid Wildshape was always a minefield every time. I understand the intent behind "Turn into an animal you've seen" but man it spawned the most ridiculous arguments

[broken imp]

I overall prefer 5.5 for having gotten rid of the few DM...

[rough basalt]

And a level 3 wizard got fireballed cause he failed to see inside a crack in the wall.

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah old WS.

[knotty vine]

I TPK'd a party with at level 2 because of wild magic

rolled an 8

rolled 45 damage

[paper portal]

optimal imo

[twilit sail]

what module would you guys recommend for a first time dm

[broken imp]

lol my lv1 party tpked from the sorcerer casting thunderwave

[knotty vine]

Damn

[rough basalt]

The new starter set: Heroes of the Borderlands, or Lost Mines of Phandelver.

[rich socket]

early level fails love them

[lavish flame]

I'd recommend either Lost Mine of Phandelver or Dragon of Icespire Peak. Of the two, I preferred Dragon of Icespire Peak.

[knotty vine]

I swear those dice were weighted that day

[rough basalt]

I hope someday I get to kill a level 1 PC

[wanton bough]

I've had a lot of fun running The Black Road for wide variety of players. Good thematic flavor, combats with interesting elevations/complications, and a very cool skill challenge.

[knotty vine]

isnt that like the easist time to kill a pc?

[broken imp]

i think a improtant issue is how the lvs are balanced, like <lv3 mean boring characters, and >lv11 mean op characters that can kill like 5 ancient dragons

[twilit sail]

im gonna do borderland

[lavish flame]

yeah, you hug them too rough and they burst

[rough basalt]

You'd be surprised. I've only seen a level 1 PC die once

And it was cause the DM intentionally killed him

[knotty vine]

huh weird

me staring at my 4 hp as a sorcerer

[broken imp]

ur not kidding like one of them almost died after a rock fell from the sky because a bird dropped it from it's beak

[rough basalt]

I run XP usually so players level up to 2 fast

And any time I crit a level 1 PC it's low damage

[rich socket]

i see it different hahah for me early lv are exiting because you really need to think about the resources

[broken imp]

oh i run milestone and i susally want them to start at lv3 but for new character i have them lv up fast, just don't like xp advancement

[lavish flame]

I've never gotten the classic Lost Mine of Phandelver experience that everyone talks about, with the opening Goblin Ambush just killing the party. I've never had that. The following cave has claimed 1 PC of mine tho

[twilit sail]

man getting a book sounds expensive

[knotty vine]

Its pretty much a

[rough basalt]

I'm changing that this upcoming game tho.
I'm gonna make a level 1 party fight a cr1 creature with multiattack and advantage on bloodied targets with no gear so I can get my 1st level kills.

[knotty vine]

A new game worth

[rough basalt]

I can't even say how much money I've spent on tabletop

[broken imp]

it is

[rough basalt]

it's somewhere between 2 and 3k iirc

[twilit sail]

if only there was a way to get books for free

[rough basalt]

There is. It's called Pathfinder 2e

[broken imp]

try getting them to fight a few swarm of flies

[umbral girder]

I have noted 1 encounter days when I played with you Sora, maybe you could add 2 more encounters to put the stress on?

[broken imp]

very funny they'll prob die

[lavish flame]

I'd actually prefer to think of anything else.

Dear lord what have I done.

[rough basalt]

Well that was mainly cause travel and time and whatnot.

I usually run dungeon crawls

[broken imp]

fyi don't ask that here it's against the server rules

[twilit sail]

i would never

[rough basalt]

I don't think you can really do a full adventure day while traveling with a time thing going.

[lavish flame]

Some days just have more or less. Days of travel dont usually have a tin of encounters for me

[rough basalt]

My issue I hadn't run exploration till my last 2 games.

Mostly just dungeon crawls and little travel segments in between.

Which is why for my grand return to dungeon crawls I need the level 1 starter dungeon to be double digit encounters.

500 encounters

[lavish flame]

youve overshot a digit

[rough basalt]

5 million encounters

I'm thinking for it, I should premake random encounters for tiers

[fossil hollow]

500 TPKs

[rough basalt]

And adapt that approach to future games

[little stream]

Were they stabbed 28 times?

[rough basalt]

Like if I roll "Undead" for tier 1, I choose from either "Zombies, Skeletons, Ghosts, category for ghouls and wights"

[fossil hollow]

nah, 23

[lavish flame]

Do you own Xanathar's? Xanathar's has a bunch of tables for Random Encounters by Biome

[rough basalt]

Ye but I like making my own tables

[lavish flame]

the tables all have tier breakpoints, so theres a 1-4 Table for Grasslands and a 5-10 table for Grasslands and stuff

[olive storm]

Same. 😔

[rough basalt]

Can probably use them for inspo

[olive storm]

I really cannot recommend Humble Bundle enough for buying all the books.

[broken imp]

i saw that was actually helpful

[twilit shell]

Kobold fight club is always solid

[olive storm]

It doesn't always have a D&D bundle but definitely keep an eye on it.

[rough basalt]

Humble Bumbles are nice but I only get physical sadly

[lavish flame]

I use them all the time

[olive storm]

😔

[rough basalt]

Only time i get digital is in two packs digital + physical

[broken imp]

i think it's funny how pixies can cast polymorph 1/day and morph into a t rex despite being cr 1/4

[rough basalt]

There's some exceptions but full on books I wont get if i cant get a physical

[broken imp]

yea physical is always better too bad i'm poor

[olive storm]

Don't even get me started on World of Darkness. You thought D&D books were expensive? Well allow me to present you with the most pretentious ttrpg in existence.

Oh and dear god Warhammer.

[twilit sail]

everyone at the tabletop club at my uni plays wod
theres a group of drama students who play vtm and have massive polycules

[paper portal]

what uni do you go to? asking for no reason /silly

[olive storm]

Vampire is cool. People need to embrace being cringe on weekends with buddies.

[twilit sail]

im not doxxing myself

oh you're joking

[paper portal]

yeah good dont do that 😭

[olive storm]

Dewit.

[broken imp]

ack well um the game sound cool but i dunno if im gonna play unless i can find free sources online

[rough basalt]

I have a friend who likes collecting warhammer and dnd and all i could say to him is pick a struggle

63 bucks for a single unit

[twilit sail]

its a fairly big uni so there are a lot of ttrpg players

[twilit sail]

its really easy

[olive storm]

Fair. This is why Pathfinder is so good. The rules are free (legally so) on the Archive of Nethys.

[lavish flame]

Warhammer does not sell you a game nor miniatures, they sell you bankruptcy

[rough basalt]

Like my Adeptas Sororitas list is like 200+ for just a few things

[rough basalt]

Even in debt, I still serve!

[little stream]

Biggg yikes...

[olive storm]

Warhammer is selling you plastic drugs to make you an addict.

[twilit sail]

im the worlds biggest cheapskate

[rough basalt]

Ye Pf2e you only pay for art and niceness of a physical copy

And adventure paths

[olive storm]

Of course you can just play Warhammer on tabletop simulator.

That is really affordable.

[lime plume]

Any dice goblins here? IMO enough is never enough.

[twilit shell]

I just pay total warhammer rts instead and spend more money there than I do on dnd books lmao

[rough basalt]

Is it really warhammer if you aren't taking out a second mortgage on your house?

[olive storm]

I abandoned my dice for betraying me.

[lavish flame]

Its a pretty sweet deal. PF2 has Pathbuilder which has every character option for free and also Archive of Nethys which has all the text of all the books. I'd kill for that for D&D.

[broken imp]

lol fr the price is crazy, even the metal minifigures (kinda lego) aren't that expensive

[olive storm]

I just want the snake boy with a big butt. Why is it $170?!?!

[woven flint]

What

[olive storm]

Fulgrim.

[rough basalt]

Being a Sororitas fan means giving up all hopes of a financial future

[olive storm]

I'm a guard and ork player.

[rough basalt]

Should move back to dnd

[olive storm]

Yeah.

I am so excited for my game.

I have session one on Monday.

[rough basalt]

I've spent so much money on dnd books, and ima spend even more

[olive storm]

I slept through session zero by accident.

Gm doesn't need to know about that one.

[twilit shell]

and if you don't have an android you can just emulate pathbuilder with bluestacks

[woven flint]

Anyway, uh...
My party members Saytr Rogue in Waterdeep died and was eaten by Ghouls today 😔

HOWEVER! A few sessions ago I drew the Temple Card which effectively gives me a divine intervention.

So I used it to cast Reincarnate on him!

And now he's a Kenku Rogue!
I think i mentioned this? Idk..
My Cleric is happy he was able to bring him back

[olive storm]

Satyrs! My beloved!

Satyrs are so versatile.

Also doesn't reincarnate only do PHB races?

[woven flint]

You can expand the table, which the dm did

[olive storm]

Oh oki.

[woven flint]

Its an optional rule in the spell 🧐

[olive storm]

Fancy.

[broken imp]

i've spent zero dollar on dnd book, and i'm not gonna spend any, tho i did spend a bit buying a nice set of dice

[woven flint]

He (DM) put pretty much every species on a wheel except for certain ones and he lucked out on Kenku as a Rogue

[rough basalt]

I think most of my expenses have been on dnd

[lavish flame]

normally yeah, but its not hard to make ur own Reincarnate table

[twilit sail]

what abt food or rent

[rough basalt]

I cant have an approximate number cause I pay for subs, patreons ect.

[rough basalt]

Built diff

Actually didnt get any immediate tabletop books for my bday

But got that Ravenloft Ultimate Bundle preordered

[lime plume]

Every hobby I have ever had has been expensive. I think it's just the name of the game. D&D, comics, TCGs. You name it and I've dabbled in it. My wallet screams.

[twilit sail]

i mean you dont actually need to spend money on dnd

:3

[broken imp]

wow ur rich

[rough basalt]

I do well enough

I need to get back to getting the rest of the adventures, and Ravnica

[broken imp]

the most expensive thing i've brought (as likea hobby kinda thing) was prob either the piano or the saxophone... i dunno about the rest, minimal costs

[twilit shell]

I add a little twist that the race of whoever is casting is weighted more heavily just because of the attunement to the caster in that moment

[rough basalt]

I've gotten quite a few alt covers online as well

Like the Book of Many Things alt cover box set, Planescape Alt box set, Quests from Infinite Staircase, Vecna, Strixhaven, and the new Eberron book.

[umbral girder]

Tasty

[rough basalt]

Actually got too much physical media for what my little bookshelf can handle

It's nice though, I missed having actual collections of stuff

[lavish flame]

ooh fun

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to my 3.5 game tomorrow

[lavish flame]

I've thought about weighting it to match the world's population. Humans would be most likely, and something like a Tiefling would be pretty unlikely

[rough basalt]

It was nice taking some time off games for rest and just being a player this week

[rough basalt]

That'd be interesting

[green shadow]

What's more common. XP progression or milestone progression.

[umbral girder]

3 and a half games in one day? Nice

[rough basalt]

yep

[umbral girder]

Hard to say since a majority of DnD players aren’t online

[rough basalt]

What people believe Milestone to be is probably most popular I'd say but no way to find out for sure.

[umbral girder]

Also yeah Milestone is just XP again so it is different from the online version

[humble cairn]

Fun!

[lime plume]

What's average for a group to meet? Mine only plays once a month.

[green shadow]

Ok 👍

[rough basalt]

Hard to say, if I had to guess probably bi-weekly

[oak grotto]

I thought the average was meeting once a week.

[south prawn]

I have a weekly group and a biweekly group

[humble cairn]

In the books it's called Story Based progression, I believe? No experience points, just leveling up when the group feels it's appropriate.

[rough basalt]

Yep, more or less

Just if the story feels like itd be a level up

At some point people mistook it for milestone

[humble cairn]

That feels like a lot.

[rough basalt]

Weekly probably isnt as common as youd think

[severe rampart]

Really?

[rough basalt]

the majority of dnd players are just people who hang out whenever they're free and roll dice, and say stuff happens

[twilit shell]

I have a weekly group that probably cancels one week out of the month

[rough basalt]

I have to cancel a lot due to health reasons, but I make my games weekly cause if its biweekly im just gonna stop caring

[olive storm]

I hope that won't happen for my current game because it has definitely happened in the past.

[rough basalt]

I wont play in bi-weekly or longer games personally

ive tried it before and all it took was one cancellation to be like "aight I dont care for the game anymore"

[olive storm]

I personally love GMing World of Darkness because it's so manageable for the GM.

I get major performance anxiety in D&D.

[tribal plume]

I need to play more

[rough basalt]

I'm terrified of trying WoD

[olive storm]

Specifically as a GM.

[severe rampart]

World of Darkness?

[humble cairn]

Why?

[tribal plume]

I play with an AL group at my uni but one three hour game every two weeks is not much!

[olive storm]

I can run a one-on-oneshot for you to try it out.

If you want.

[rough basalt]

Cause there's a lot of things in WoD that tend to draw creeps ive heard

[rough basalt]

I'd be down to try it.

[twilit sail]

like there arent creeps in dnd circles too lmao

[olive storm]

World of Darkness Fifth Edition is infinitely better than older editions.

[rough basalt]

Tbh I havent really ran into the kinds of creeps im afraid of in dnd

[twilit sail]

thats just smthn you have to accept as a possibility when meeting strangers

[humble cairn]

That kind of goes back to vetting your players, though?

[rough basalt]

Only in Pathfinder and OSR systems

[olive storm]

My first WoD GM was in a cult IRL.

[twilit shell]

Lore accurate tabletop game according to the satanic panic

[rough basalt]

True, might be letting rpghorrorstories get to me

[tribal plume]

haha

[severe rampart]

9/10 stories in rpghorrorstories are fake, I'm convinced

[twilit sail]

i find that being in a cult is pretty common on discord

[humble cairn]

And I feel like WOD, before they got taken over by creeps, was an early adopter of safety tools in gaming. The community was, at least.

But the creepiness of the leadership and the disregard for fan safety in their writing was why I left that game, not the community, which was great.

[twilit sail]

safety tools?

[rough basalt]

I'd say its probably around 5-7/10, theres a lot of bad experiences in gaming

[twilit sail]

like you use a stick to keep the players at least five feet away from you at all times

[tribal plume]

yeah

[humble cairn]

Things like consent checklists and lines/veils, x-cards, you know tools to keep gamers safe.

[twilit sail]

right right

[tribal plume]

they can pump out fake reddit stories a lot faster now with chatgpt and stuff

[humble cairn]

Safety tools for gamers is best practices in TTRPGs, imo.

[olive storm]

No, he was in an actual like cloak and dagger anarchy cult.

[twilit sail]

ah for me its usually the church of latter day saints

[rough basalt]

I've started trying to adopt them better

[twilit sail]

well thats how they described it to me anyways, im not going to go into depth in it and respect their boundaries

[rough basalt]

include content warnings even if I feel it may not be necessary

[twilit sail]

i like this, im going to keep this in mind if i start a campaign

[humble cairn]

Not for you, but you never know what other people might be dealing with.

[rough basalt]

Ye thats why

[twilit sail]

how does the x card system work

[humble cairn]

And for me, when a DM uses safety tools it is a big green flag.

[twilit sail]

i dont really understand it

[rough basalt]

Like my upcoming PF game has light themes of Colonialism in it so I stated so.

[twilit shell]

I have not really gotten into the habit of safety tools and probably ought to get with the times at some point

[rough basalt]

Cause one of the potential enemy types are treasure hunters from a different country and that can fall under that umbrella.

[twilit sail]

come to think of it i have a lot of friends who dm i could ask them to look it over if i make my own thing

[rough basalt]

Like my horror game has a plethora of CWs

[humble cairn]

Here's the wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Card

[rough basalt]

So i made sure to activate the X-card system in my foundry safety tool module

[fickle tulip]

does anyone know of any site that two other friends and i can play dnd that doesn't cost a bunch of money?

[humble cairn]

Basically you explicitly establish a procedure for interrupting the game in a safe way. Many times people don't feel comfortable interrupting the game for their own discomfort, the X Card and similar tools gives them a way to do it in a way which is safe and which the group all agrees to respect.

[twilit sail]

ok

[rough basalt]

Ye like I wanna run dark, horrible, and gorey games but the last thing I want is to hurt someone out of game

[jolly canyon]

Dnd is free! It becomes as expensive as you want it to be. You can head to #find-a-game and #looking-for-dm . You can put in your post that you don't own any content. Most DMs allow content sharing so if you're invited to a game you may get access to their library. This is 100% always the case but common ime.

I must ask have you read the Free Rules?

[rough basalt]

Like me throwing some cannibals with axes at my players in a bloody room yelling "fresh meat" isn't to make a player upset out of game its to instill a feeling of "oh crap we gotta get the hell out of here! or I aint no fresh meat!"

[twilit sail]

ill dm you

[nocturne turret]

how is everyone doing?

[little stream]

Boutta eat, wbu bud

[nocturne turret]

currently chowing down on some canes

[twilit shell]

The wood has gotta be bad for your teeth. Pretty sure people need those for walking

[nocturne turret]

it’s okay, it’s my favorite drink

[carmine robin]

I want to talk about my session

[cobalt owl]

It was really nice to see an artists story be them casually drawing one of my characters

[empty thicket]

how it was your session buddy?

[carmine robin]

Hi

Been making my players deal with either undead or punks

One of my players I was able to fuse with a mimic that specializes in grappling

[little stream]

I'll do you one better

Undead punks

[carmine robin]

It deals damage well he holds them but he’s a sorcerer and he’s supposed to specialize in range. I gave him an ability to make ranged attacks with advantage on creatures pinned by his mimic regardless of range

And the only thing keeping it from being op at his level is that he needs his physical stats up to grapple, so he’s better of at range with crowd control if he’s closed in on

[grizzled lance]

I dont say bleh bleh bleh

[nocturne turret]

yes you do, you just did

[civic bramble]

@cursive badge Why was I friended via DMs?

I’m not looking for comms atm.

[nocturne turret]

@tame citrus same

[civic bramble]

Scammers?

[nocturne turret]

scary

[civic bramble]

Wdym?

[civic bramble]

You said it

[nocturne turret]

HEY you stole my bit

[glad ferry]

What bit?

[tame kelp]

I'm going to make a homebrew weapon that is called A Hat of Discipline.

"A Hat of Discipline, DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?!"

[lavish flame]

pretty common scam yeah. people just solicit you for commissions instead of it being the normal way around

[empty thicket]

yeah, got those almost weekly

[little stream]

Yea f em', ik what artist that fits my taste. Aint gonna entertain anyone

[empty thicket]

Yeah, its... annoying and honestly, it got me to the point that every new person who send friend i just straight say " dont try to sell me something or get me into a campaign, while you do that we are going to be good"

Its sad that had to reach such point but welp, it is what it is

[little stream]

Haven't dm anyone in any server aside from ones I genuinely want to connect with

If lets say they do try to sell me something, BLOCKED. Move on, sadly happened numorus times

[civic bramble]

Seems unfortunate. Disheartens me a lot. Whatever, I should not think too deep about this. That would not be good for me.

[lavish flame]

yeah, its common enough that I often open DMs with strangers with "are you gonna solicit me for commissions?" which filters out scams usually

[civic bramble]

Like a Rogue, I committed grand larceny.

[nocturne turret]

You scoundrel

[severe rampart]

I just choose to block and ignore

[empty thicket]

"digital artist" and No messages before in teh server
Woman profile pics and finally less of 1 year made account are mines

[jolly canyon]

Same. No time. If I ever get added/messaged by anyone I haven't spoken to before it's auto block/ignore

[severe rampart]

I don't even check message requests often, I'm pretty sure the only people I respond to on this server in DMs are the ones who've asked me before DMing

[nocturne turret]

whats your favorite kind of pickle

[cobalt owl]

People begging me to comm them is always weird to me

I'll commission you if I damn well please

[nocturne turret]

Ooo what kind of commisions do you do?

[empty thicket]

i guess some ask me for comms for the nitro in my profile, low they know a friend gifted it to me.

I need to kill vecna 4 times for him.

[cobalt owl]

Lmao I'm not the artist

[dim flicker]

ohh like they want you to pay for their art?

[little stream]

Idk much about comms but just yesterday I paid a bunch to someone, the thing is. I trust them enough

[nocturne turret]

I kinda wanna comm someone for my character

[dim flicker]

i hope you've been close friends + you only paid an installment instead of full!

[dim flicker]

do it!! in my experience it's always worth it (tho i only comm friends i've known for a while)

one of the most indulgent nerdiest things you can do is bring your character to life through some good good art

[little stream]

Not that I care that much since well, buidling rapport is what I love then the comms itself. Got help from an artist from an event 1-2 years back

[errant sonnet]

Current party for my game:

• Undead Warlock who sold their heart to a lich
• Dhampir Lizardfolk Ranger
• Aasimar Paladin who loves his moms
• Reborn Scribes Wizard with an emotional support cat

[nocturne turret]

where I can find someone

[errant sonnet]

Bumble?

[little stream]

Pause

Wdym

[nocturne turret]

To commision, sorry i was busy and didn’t mean to send that 😭

[dim flicker]

i could message you & direct you to my artist friend if you'd like!

[dim flicker]

sold their heart to a lich
just warlock things

[errant sonnet]

If you like fluffy shoujo art I have an amazing artist who doesn't charge a lot

[nocturne turret]

If you could I would definitely appreciate it

[errant sonnet]

They did it to escape their grief, but now they fear they're no longer human

[nocturne turret]

you too! it’s good to have options

[dawn wharf]

You guys have any recommendations on where to find good grotesque body horror themed minis? Running a horror themed ww1 campaign need some messed up disturbing monsters

[little stream]

In comms or?

[errant sonnet]

Warhammer might have some good ones but you'd have to rebase them

Drukhari, Chaos Space Marines and Chaos Daemons come to mind

[dawn wharf]

Warhammer is mostly sci fi tho and AOS is more high fantasy then horror themed

[errant sonnet]

Yeah but there are models that aren't super scifi

Like plaguebearers and poxwalkers

[nocturne turret]

in comms yes

[errant sonnet]

AOS is probably better tho you're right

[severe rampart]

I don't like pickles.

[cobalt owl]

vgen is a pretty good place for artists

[errant sonnet]

Do you think Strahd approves of pineapple on pizza?

[dim flicker]

dm'd ya! good luck w the artist hunt

[cobalt owl]

I've good experience not on vgen tbf but vgen is most reliable

[nocturne turret]

but you said pickles are cool

[cobalt owl]

Cuz they're normally cold

[severe rampart]

I didn't say I liked them

[nocturne turret]

but that would mean you like them in some way

[errant sonnet]

Anyone want to see my commission? :3

[reef tundra]

It’s possible to think things are cool but not like them

[paper portal]

hi ami :3

[reef tundra]

Hiii

[nocturne turret]

But how

im just biased bc everything i think is cool is just sum I like

[reef tundra]

Idk, I find it easier to separate my subjective feelings about something from what I think of it. Hard to explain

It’s like that one tumblr post says.
“To me there’s only 4 movie ratings:
Good, liked it
Good, didn’t like it
Bad, liked it
Bad, didn’t like it”

[vast saddle]

Hey, I wanna ask something

[lavish flame]

fire away

[vast saddle]

Do you have your own code in choosing a campaign?

Right now, my code is "I'll be your frontliner if you're my close friend, if you're not....I'll be your support instead"

I finally decided to drop my fighter in a West Marches server because....I think I made friction with the higher level players

[lavish flame]

im not sure I understand what you mean still. whats the code for?

[vast saddle]

Based on my experience in West Marches, I don't want to be either frontliner or DPS anymore

[reef tundra]

What does code mean in this context?

[vast saddle]

Those roles are only for friends I'm close with in real life

[lavish flame]

that feels mostly unrelated to my questions

[vast saddle]

I really wish you could speak Bahasa Indonesia

Can't explain further. Language barriers

[lavish flame]

Sad day

[vast saddle]

Give me 2 hours until tomorrow to think the correct sentences

[frosty canopy]

I noticed that a lot of TTRPG content is focused on GM-help, but I haven't seen any on player... do you guys know any?

[reef tundra]

It’s okay, take your time

[reef tundra]

I’ve seen a fair few about player advice, but I do agree that there is more for DMs than players

[lavish flame]

to some extent, player help is just found in the books. The reason there's so much TTRPG stuff online about GM Help is cuz 5e doesn't really offer much GM help, so people supplement it with their own.

[vast saddle]

I think in simpler words, I will never be a physical class like fighter or barbarian EVER again with strangers

I only want to take physical classes if I play with my close friends

[lavish flame]

oh, code as in "rules you live by" i seeeee

[devout grail]

Is it possible for me to share a homebrew item I had the idea of here?

[reef tundra]

People do in #homebrew

[devout grail]

Ohhh ok I didn’t see that server thanks

[lavish flame]

I guess my personal code when playing D&D is to try and play something new. I still haven't played every class. I'm only now getting around to Fighter. I try to play something new every time.

[vast saddle]

I feel so sad that I declared myself as an "Excommunicado" in a West Marches server I've joined. I was like "Why do I be a Fighter in the first place when everyone else is also physical?"

[reef tundra]

My code is just my moral code, people gotta respect each other and me, etc

I play whatever character comes into my head

I’ve played every class except artificer at least once

[odd valley]

same here, though i do try to play new classes

[nocturne turret]

bro molly actually hooked me up with a fire connection for comms

[true heart]

First time DMing later!! So excited

[nocturne turret]

Ooo!! Would love to see it 🙏

[true heart]

DMing for the first time later! Super excited

[nocturne turret]

is celeste fun

[true heart]

Very

It's my 2nd favourite game of all time, my 1st favourite platformer

[nocturne turret]

tell me more ab it

[true heart]

Basically you're this Canadian trans girl who climbs a a mountain to overcome her self doubt

And you can dash,

It gets difficult after chapter 3 and really ramps up during chapter 6

I won't say anything else since its better for you to find out the rest

[reef tundra]

While I do love Celeste, as Ophi said in the other channel, talk of other games should go to #non-dnd-topics

[true heart]

There is also 202 collectible berries! Not necessary but fun to find

[true heart]

Ah ok got it

[little stream]

Self doubt was enough but dash? Hell yeah

[true heart]

Sos

[reef tundra]

No don’t worry, you were prompted to talk about it

[errant sonnet]

We love celeste

Oh sorry

[vast saddle]

Where can I share something bad?

A DM just called me a buffoon

And I took it personally

[wispy canopy]

As someone who identifies as a buffoon I take it personally that you took that personally.

[wintry spindle]

Whats the weirdest spell you have seen being banned

I once met a DM who banned prestidigination

[supple loom]

Heat Metal #joking

Idk, had a DM just like ban summons in general. The guy just did not like any of the supposed "hassle" of them. So that included all summon related spells.

[supple loom]

did they explain why lol

[wintry spindle]

He said he played with too many joke players with it

[supple loom]

fair enough? I guess?

[limber trail]

I don’t agree with this but I understand it and have been in situations where I kind a feel like the summons are overdoing it

[coarse carbon]

Summons guys has some Conjure 16 animals trauma and I get it lmao

[limber trail]

I played a level 3 fight where I was controlling five creatures as a player and that did unfortunately make me understand

[supple loom]

idk I've had people express a dislike for spells like minor illusion bc of like, players trying to use it ALL the time for everything; ie; "Can I minor illusion to buff my stealth here, can I minor illusion this to help my persuasion here."

As a DM I've felt some of the like, exhaustion there I guess? but I feel like there's so many valid fun uses for illusions that it's like, worth the hassle sometimes.

[limber trail]

You can also just say no and move on.

[supple loom]

yeah exactly

I've been present for discussions around banning healing word to stop ranged ping ponging but never seen a soul brave enough to do it