dnd-discussion

[dim flicker]

ive frankly never joined through those, but my theory is an uptick in more narrative heavy campaigns is probably influenced by the popularity of actual play shows

[errant crag]

I thought you were talking about No I'm Not Human for a moment and was like "bruh that game is really good"

[rough basalt]

Nah Alone in the Dark '08

I usually run at least 1 combat a session as a dm.

[reef tundra]

Same here. Although occasionally there will be a session without combat

[rough basalt]

I couldn't do a session without combat probably

[reef tundra]

Although my players tend to be grateful for the breaks as I run tough combat

[limber trail]

I'm more comfortable than most not having combat in my sessions, but I also advertise that up front. And generally, I only run non-combat sessions if there's something else going on that's similarly tense

[rough basalt]

Yeah one thing I'll never do is shopping sessions.

[hot gate]

I can be running the same module for two different groups and one does only half the amount of combats.

[reef tundra]

My players are addicted to those 😭

[hot gate]

In other words: players determine it

[rough basalt]

As a player I may fake out sick to avoid it tbh

[limber trail]

I also just try keep a finger on the pulse with regards to what my players want. If they're antsy for a combat, well hey what do you know, a phoenix shows up and starts rampaging

[reef tundra]

Fortunately I’m able to get the shopping to a short section in a proper session, but still, it’s mad how much they ask

[limber trail]

I've started just posting a list of things in a discord channel w/ prices and quantities

and players can decide what they want from that

[hot gate]

Ah, yes following the '14 DMG wisdom 🙂‍↕️

[limber trail]

I used to be a lot more specific with "well but the enemies don't want this from them and so they wouldn't do this so it doesn't make sense" and then I gave up on that mindset a bit

[rough basalt]

I don't mind a bit of shopping

As long as it's not the whole session.

[flint ledge]

Seriously? I think a good third of my sessions don't have combat

[rough basalt]

As a player I get very bored

[errant crag]

I'm fine with sessions that have no combat but I get annoyed at sessions where functionally nothing happens

[hot gate]

Mhm, I'd be a lot more careful with giving npcs a good motivation if I know that this particular group of players likes to talk to enemies. If not, easier for me!

[dim flicker]

it all comes down to pacing

[rough basalt]

As a dm, not so much as long as something else is going on.

[flint ledge]

My group had a 3 session shopping trip (they didn't even have a lot of money)

[errant crag]

Like a game I play in had a session where all that happened the whole session was we left an elevator, walked across a field, and roleplayed within the party and nothing else at all.
No encounters with anything
No roleplaying with any NPCs
All the DM did the whole session was describe the scenery
And I was mad come the end of the session

I'm fine with no combat sessions, I'm not fine with sessions where almost nothing happens at all in any meaningful capacity

[limber trail]

pmuch.

To be fair, my players are very detail oriented and very social, they will 100% do that. I moreso see it as putting more effort to throw the players and enemies directly at odds

[round ridge]

That was the idea that I had carried but I wasn’t sure if there was another reason I was just overlooking

A lot of groups I see here are very rp focused

I understand combat slop can be boring if overdone but I don’t think combat should be neglected

[limber trail]

I really do wish the DnD discord had some higher quality metrics for describing styles of game. I really don't think the "70%rp/30% combat" system works at all.

[dim flicker]

mustve had fun bantering with npcs

[humble cradle]

Random question for everyone: why do you play dnd

I need to collect opinions

[dim flicker]

yeah, i get antsy as a player when we haven't fought anything in a good while

[reef tundra]

Because I love it

I am a very simple girl

[round ridge]

I like experimenting with classes and builds and interactions between mechanics

[round ridge]

JUST GOTTA HITSOMETHING

YOU GET IT

RAAAAAH

[flint ledge]

More like bartering (and also one of them getting arrested twice)

[dim flicker]

lemme use my cool spells & abilities!! they take up half my character sheet!!

[reef tundra]

Holy hell I just realised my players might love shopping sessions because of all the NPCs that run shops

[round ridge]

YESSSSSS

[hot gate]

It's the best thing you can do with your brain and other people

[round ridge]

GIVE MY CLASS CHOICES VALUE

[small sand]

Generally how hard would it be to mess with a 4th edition module to get it to work in 5th?

[limber trail]

It's super vague and subjective. It could also mean a ton of things. Do you mean 30% of sessions will feature combat? 30% of adventuring days will feature combat? 30% of the runtime of a session will feature combat? I don't like it as a metric.

A much better way to write it might just be "You can expect at least 1 combat every session" "You can expect roughly 2 combats every 3 sessions or so" "You might be waiting a long time between combats, multiple sessions" as well as going a little more in depth regarding the intensity of comabt expected - are we doing short skirmishes or are we only doing all out brawls?

[round ridge]

Not very tbh, just subbing out systems

[hot gate]

You'd need to replace all numbers, but the narrative would probably hold up

[round ridge]

I feel like the description of the combats is not stagnant enough to be clarified up front for most tables, I completely agree with the combats/session though

[limber trail]

That's fair - I really think anything is better than the super arbitrary current system

[round ridge]

When applying I normally have to ask a question to get the answer uou’re proposing becomes the standard, wouldn’t mind having one less question to ask in the baillion I do ask

[reef tundra]

I just describe my games as “mostly focused on character roleplay and a gripping plot and drama, but combat will happen at minimum once every two sessions, with a high chance for more”

[frank ridge]

Once the mighty and wise honey pot has received 111 sacrifices one of the elder deities shall arise again and wreak havoc upon all kingdoms!

[reef tundra]

-# I don’t mind tooting my own horn by calling it a “gripping plot”

[rough basalt]

Idk how to describe my games

I just run stuff and stuff happens

[severe rampart]

Really? no planned encounters, villains, etc.?

[rough basalt]

At the moment what's "planned" is murky

I'm kinda just bleh.

Nothing is coming out creative

[plain kindle]

Blood 🩸

[rough basalt]

There is pretty planned out later on for Monday but that's later

[reef tundra]

So Mr Strahd what would you like to eat today?
The humble Strahd Von Zarovich:

[rough basalt]

Now that my bday is over its back to agonizing over my creative rut and oncoming deadlines.

[plain kindle]

I'm from Saudi Arabia and I love playing D&D

[severe rampart]

I've been remaking old PCs of mine that I made when I first started D&D

I think I can remake the Snake Primordial Warlock well now

[rough basalt]

None of my current ideas really have much of anything

[plain kindle]

You are wonderful

[rough basalt]

I think a lot of its due to I don't know how to deal with a sudden story change due to character deaths.

[severe rampart]

That was easier than I thought, he turned from an Eladrin Fiendlock to a Yuan-Ti GOOLock

[ashen orchid]

oh shamans of the sealine how i love you

[small sand]

How does stuff like divine intervention work in Eberron, where the gods aren't objectively real? Like does it just not work period or?

[rotund shell]

just because the gods aren't objectively real doesn't mean that divine intervention doesn't happen. See the Speaker of the Flame.

Basically, in Eberron, if you have an inhuman level of faith (whether you are cleric or paladin or whatever), you can derive power from the divine. And that includes having such strong faith that you will Divine Intervention into play

There are people (warforged mostly) who derive power from faith in the Lord of Blades. He is objectively not a god, yet his followers manifest divine magic anyway.

but yeah, the most common example of Divine Intervention is the Silver Flame and it picking champions (Tira Miron, Jaela) to be its divine instruments.

[north vine]

Hot take but i think warrior clerics (the ones you can choose at lv1 between two options, either martual weapons and heavy armor or additional cantrip and wis added to arcana and religion) should get extra attack

[errant crag]

They get extra damage on their melee attacks later on

[north vine]

So do paladins

[errant crag]

I think they should get a weapon mastery mayhaps

Well paladins can do that early on with smites

[north vine]

But they get perma bonus damage at 11

[errant crag]

I gotta play my Barbarian Cleric character

[north vine]

Sounds funny, why not paladin btw?

[errant crag]

I made Barbarian Paladin

[north vine]

Oh, is it 2024?

[errant crag]

I've done Barbarian Rogue, Barbarian Wizard, Barbarian Cleric, Barbarian Paladin, Barbarian Monk, and was working on Barbarian Bard

I think Barbarian Sorcerer is gonna be the worst

I thought it would be Barbarian Ranger but it might be Barbarian Sorcerer

[fervent kayak]

Barbarian bard would be so funny what’s that you say you don’t like my music .proceeds to stab them

[errant crag]

I should convince my DM to give me a Thunderous Greatclub

Or a Lute of Thunderous Thumping

[digital sleet]

Hello, I am more of a new player etc to the dnd community.. and I just joined a new dnd, chose Monk, and the DM gave me gauntlets and a shield.
I just want to ask if those are good for Monks or no?

I hope this is the right channel😞

[north vine]

Monk's unarmored defense does not work with shield

Also, what gauntlets? Just, like, gauntless, that's all?

[errant crag]

You can't benefit from certain Monk features while wielding a shield, so that may not be the most useful to you. I would ask your DM about that

[narrow moss]

aren't gauntlets armor too

[errant crag]

Also were these magic items specifically directed to you or were they ones the party found and that were delegated to you?

[errant crag]

Magic gauntlets and such for the purpose of stuff like this isn't considered armor typically

They're a wondrous item

[north vine]

That's bg3 thing

[narrow moss]

idk about bg3 i just mean in general

[north vine]

(THAT I DEEPLY HATE)

[narrow moss]

i always consider it to be part of an armor set

like boots or a helmet.

[north vine]

I can't wear a lot of good things due to lack of prof

[digital sleet]

I think.. its just confusing

[narrow moss]

but if it's fine then it's fine.

[errant crag]

In the terms of the game's mechanics the gauntlets are not considered armor

[narrow moss]

slay queen.

[errant crag]

In reality yes gauntlets are armor. In the mechanics of D&D they are not "Armor"

[narrow moss]

ahh okie

nvm then

[errant crag]

A Monk can use Gauntlets of Ogre Strength or a Dread Helm and not have it negatively interact with their features

[digital sleet]

I can talk to the DM about the shield though, right?

[errant crag]

Thankfully

[narrow moss]

shield monk would go hard though

[errant crag]

I would yeah

[digital sleet]

Thank you a lot, I am a drow Elf monk and jsut wanted to talk about what the DM gave me

[errant crag]

Was the shield specifically meant for your character or was it something the party just found

What does the shield do

[digital sleet]

We haven't had a session yet,its all starter equipment..

[errant crag]

It's not a magical shield and magical gauntlets right?

[digital sleet]

Nope

[errant crag]

I just wouldn't use it then

[idle oar]

Well not until they get further clarification from the DM

[errant crag]

That's true

Did the DM give everybody shields and gauntlets

[digital sleet]

Nope

[idle oar]

It is odd to hand a character armor who's feature doesn't need and is actively negatively impacted by having armor

[narrow moss]

hm

maybe they didn't think it through? who knows best to ask.

[digital sleet]

Thank you all

[idle oar]

Yeah... maybe it was a simple mistake, or maybe the DM is homebrewing something to allow monks to have their unarmored defense even with a shield...

[narrow moss]

yeah that's what i'm wondering.

[digital sleet]

The gauntlets and shield really surprised me thats why I wanted to reach out

[narrow moss]

at least the gauntlets make sense. but monks only really use 'monk weapons' if it's not their fists so idk about a shield.

i also don't know everything about monks so lol.

[errant crag]

In 2024 I can use Greatclub as a Monk weapon and I need to make a monk who uses one

[narrow moss]

oh heck yeah

caveman go brr

[digital sleet]

I'll talk to the dm about the shield

[narrow moss]

mmhmm best to do that

[errant crag]

Did you still get to start with your normal equipment

[digital sleet]

The shield and gauntlets are in my starter equipment, we haven't had a session yet

[narrow moss]

yeah they're asking if you got your other normal stufff on top of it i think

[digital sleet]

OH

[errant crag]

Yeah did you also get the typical Monk starting equipment

[idle oar]

See https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#CoreMonkTraits to see the starting equipment options for a monk

[digital sleet]

"ryder:a sheild,gauntlets that give you more unarmed strenght and more armor,2 salamanders and 1 half of a rat(the salamanders ate the rat)1 arrow." Word for word my starter equipment

[errant crag]

Okay so they're special gauntlets

[idle oar]

Okay... definitely straying from the normal starting equipment options then lol

[digital sleet]

Ohh

[narrow moss]

and that's fine

setting specific if we got a half-eaten rat here lol

[digital sleet]

This is my second dnd guys I apologize for being so confused

[narrow moss]

no it's better if you ask questions. no need to apologize.

[digital sleet]

I haven't got to pick out my stats jn the dnd, the DM picked em out for all lf is and that started off my confusement

[idle oar]

No worries! Just a bit of homebrew changes happening from your DM's end that confuse even the most experienced D&D veteran

[narrow moss]

hmmm

[neon salmon]

No need to apologize, hell i played my first magic character without understanding my spell attack bonus for an entire half of a campaign

[digital sleet]

Pfft. Okay

[narrow moss]

ope

[torpid hound]

The number of people who call Rogue "Rouge" is driving me insane

[narrow moss]

i hate that too

[errant crag]

One singular arrow is so peculiar

[narrow moss]

but online in a chat room I typically just ignore mistakes usulally. But rogue/rouge is one of those common ones lol

[errant crag]

I wonder if the DM is doing some kind of puzzle start

Like maybe they're in a prison

[neon salmon]

Legit, I didnt realize i added it onto my attack rolls so i just took the number on my dice lmao

[narrow moss]

when in doubt ask the dm

[errant crag]

On my first character I didn't know that my cleric could change their spells on long rest and thought I was making permanent decisions with my spell list

[limpid night]

Is anyone wanting to party up at beyond games and hobby in bunbury im looking for a party ? 👍 😈

[narrow moss]

oh i always got confused with cleric stuff at first too, and i technically started d&d with icewind dale growing up lol

[errant crag]

This server is very very large, it's unlikely that you'll find people in your specific area here on the server and probably should try not to share that information here

[narrow moss]

and that was a crpg.

yeah maybe don't do that.

[limpid night]

Where would i look do you reckon ?

[hot gate]

Ah yes, the Rouge Squadron

None of them are rogues, but they all look fabulous

[neon salmon]

What type of clerics did you’s go for? Im in a strahd campaign and took “way of light” subclass

[narrow moss]

i think there was a joke once about the Rouge Rogue

[errant crag]

You can find online games on this server, if you're looking for places in your area you should check out game stores in your area, maybe school clubs if you're still in school, maybe your local library has people who play at it

[errant crag]

I'm a big Grave Cleric enjoyer

[narrow moss]

idk what cleric i'd play in a real game

[glass granite]

I like peace cleric

[errant crag]

There's a lot of fun ones

[narrow moss]

people always think clerics are like the mmo healers who stand back but i know that's not true

you can play that but it's underutilizing their tookit

[limpid night]

Thanks fellow traveller many ah good luck on your adventure

[errant crag]

Tempest Clerics can be really good damage dealers

[neon salmon]

Aye, i think im happy with my way of light

Warding flash is gonna be fun to use since i have 5 charges of it

[narrow moss]

i know, i'm listening/watching a d&d campaign where a tempest cleric has been awesome. Even with suboptimal stats

in Curse of Strahd actually

[paper portal]

Personally my favourite cleric sub for damage is twilight :3

[errant crag]

My replacement for my Curse of Strahd character is a knowledge cleric

My current character is a Dance Bard

[narrow moss]

i've thought of making a satyr dance bard lol

[still plover]

War cleric as holy knight.

[narrow moss]

it seems to fit

[errant crag]

I oughtta play a Forge Cleric some time

[knotty vine]

Guys I need some help

[neon salmon]

Im gonna have to think of a back up character at some point, but i built my cleric in this strahd campaign to last

[knotty vine]

Im I being unreasonable?

[errant crag]

Maybe

[narrow moss]

i lack context.

[knotty vine]

First the dm says "make your character weak" whatever that might mean

[narrow moss]

that could mean anything

[knotty vine]

thats what Ive been saying

[narrow moss]

they need to provide specific details

[errant crag]

Did you ask them for specific restrictions

[narrow moss]

how weak is weak?

are we talking 'commonor statblock'? i need deets

[knotty vine]

The most they gave me was "make it like its your first time playing D&D"

[narrow moss]

that's what i'd probs say.

...that also could mean anything.

someone who understands the rules well but is technically still playing their first game could roll a really good character.

[errant crag]

2014 or 2024?

[narrow moss]

heck you could just use the official stat array and be fine if that's the only restriction he's giving

[neon salmon]

Unless they’re expecting to have you do something like human fighter with mid stats so you dont get to much race benefits

[knotty vine]

either or

[narrow moss]

okay i don't think yo'ure being unreasonable.

[errant crag]

2014, Gnome 2014 PHB Berserker Barbarian with Standard Array

[narrow moss]

your dm is just being uncooperative

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like they're being completely Vibes Based, which is worse then useless

[past blaze]

that's just torture

[narrow moss]

ew vibe based

[paper portal]

any kind of standard for "weak" or just do some shit lol

[errant crag]

Make something silly

[narrow moss]

make a ten year old int dump wizard

[knotty vine]

I just made a barbarian druid

[errant crag]

Barbarian Druid ain't that bad

[paper portal]

im pretty used to making my characters weaker on purpose but thats to fit the rest of the party

[errant crag]

Make a triple multiclass

[knotty vine]

through he did nerf one of my stats

[narrow moss]

whyyyy

[keen valve]

Heheh, hulk gnome.

[still plover]

Rolled, or otherwise?

[errant crag]

Maybe you should let this DM cook

[paper portal]

depends how you do it

[narrow moss]

why nerf anything that's the Blizzard approach

[feral fulcrum]

Because Weak.

[knotty vine]

so now the +2 from my background is useless

[knotty vine]

point buy

[errant crag]

What's the point max

[knotty vine]

15

[narrow moss]

...that's why they nerfed it. Because of the background you chose.

[errant crag]

That seems fine then

[narrow moss]

what's the point of backgrounds then.

[knotty vine]

my dex was a 16 and now its a 14

[errant crag]

Doesn't seem too hard to make a "weak" character with these criteria

Maybe the DM wants a low PC power game

[narrow moss]

it is when you keep moving the goalposts like this dm is doing

[errant crag]

Maybe they're doing a level 0 start

[narrow moss]

i hate that wishy-washy crap

[knotty vine]

were level 3

[errant crag]

The DM has not moved anything you are only seeing the info as Tasha presents it

[feral fulcrum]

Then they should probably put alot more effort into making that pretty clear.

[still plover]

Yeah, but then they need to say that and put numbers on it.

[errant crag]

I think the DM saying to make weak characters is an indicator

[knotty vine]

gang imma be so fr the dm said we arent allowed to share each others characters because we would "nit pick each other" or something

[feral fulcrum]

"Make them weak." "Define weak." "Lol I dunno, I'll know it if I see it." Is a steaming pile of crap if you ask me

[narrow moss]

pink and water is wet. I know.

you're not allowed to share so you can't make any synergy

[knotty vine]

So I have no clue what the rest of the party is

[narrow moss]

that's my guess

[neon salmon]

What kinda character are you aiming to be tash?

[still plover]

This DM sounds like they have an idea but have yet to learn the golden rule of clear communication.

[feral fulcrum]

Honestly the red flags are piling up to be honest

[errant crag]

Is that what the DM said? Tasha didn't say that they said that

[narrow moss]

it's a bit too many red flags atm

[knotty vine]

The dm never said what weak was

[narrow moss]

if they really wanted to nerf a stat of yours they coulda just said to pick a diff background

tbh i smell a tpk but i hope i'm wrong.

[errant crag]

I mean just leave the game if you're confident this DM is a schmuck with no idea what they're doing

[narrow moss]

i tend to expect the worst in sketchy people

[errant crag]

It sounds like the DM is going for something specific and the people here are jumping to the worst conclusions with limited information

[knotty vine]

Hes a new dm is the issue

[feral fulcrum]

Well there's your problem.

[narrow moss]

and there it is

[knotty vine]

So he obivously doesnt know what hes doing

[errant crag]

Did you ask him what he had planned and what he was going for

[feral fulcrum]

They've yet to figure out some of the golden rules.

[knotty vine]

Every time I try to ask he gives no info

[narrow moss]

at this point i don't expect him to know even that much

anyway long story short you're not being unreasonable at all

[errant crag]

It's a new DM guys

[knotty vine]

considering they tried to make a character sheet on MS paint

[neon salmon]

That or explained in a way that makes sense, like “listen ik your all level three, but im planning to have a hardly difficult campaign, so theirs no need to build as if your fighting 10 red dragons every session”

[narrow moss]

in other words, communicate

which this dm is not doing. apparently.

[feral fulcrum]

New DM + lack of clear communication + not even allowing you to know what the rest of the group is doing = Flashing Red Warning lights and a near certainty of "You're going to have a bad time.", at least in my opinion.

[knotty vine]

Cant even communicate with the party

[narrow moss]

i would like to assume a 'new dm' has nothing but good intentions

but all my instincts are screaming a tpk in the first encounter.

[errant crag]

I have DM friends who are pretty good DMs nowadays and wouldn't be if I just immediately dumpstered them for making mistakes that new DMs make.

Not telling your players the necessary info to make a character for your game is a common new DM mistake.

Maybe the DM needs to be talked to further and needs to be given a chance to correct things

[knotty vine]

Thats the issue when I try to talk to them more they shut me down

[narrow moss]

yeah well specifically targetting a stat due to a background increase rubbed me the wrong way. Anything else I'd just attribute to innocent mistakes.

[knotty vine]

Mutiple times they said "im not talking about this more"

[neon salmon]

I understand struggling to communicate, but if your telling people to make weak characters with no proper reasoning, then their needs to be a chat or discussion to give a reasoning

[narrow moss]

when people show you who they are the first time, believe them

[errant crag]

It's not that deep

This isn't some moral judgement situation

[narrow moss]

i know. It isn't deep.

[errant crag]

My god it's a new DM you guys

[narrow moss]

so what?

i'm not saying they should murder the guy

but don't ignore red flags because 'new' either.

[feral fulcrum]

And? That doesn't mean anyone is obliged to potentially have a pretty unfun time of things by giving them a chance?

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[feral fulcrum]

Peoples time and enjoyment are valuable.

[errant crag]

Then just leave the game

[still plover]

Well, worry not. You can give it a swing and see how it plays out, or you can message them with your concerns and make for the exit. Maybe the other players will make the game enjoyable and you'll all have fun together regardless.

If it doesn't work out, that's a shame, but what have you lost but time?

[errant crag]

If common new DM behavior is such a horrific thing then don't play in games with new DMs

Tasha knows the DM is new they could have left upon hearing that

[knotty vine]

Yeah but my friend wants to try it but they are also new

[narrow moss]

then tell them your concerns. If they refuse to talk at all about it, consider leaving.

they won't learn if you go easy on them, imho

[errant crag]

Then play along and let the DM cook and keep your friend informed that this is likely not a typical D&D game that you're joining

And be ready to give the DM feedback if it's trash

Or leave the game over a common new DM pitfall and don't even give them the chance if you want

[narrow moss]

i'm not saying be a jerk. but i just see no reason to sugarcoat it if you're going to take on the mantle of DM.

[errant crag]

It's your time

[narrow moss]

they can give you a specific template for char creation and still keep surprises a surprise, imho

[errant crag]

To me this reads like a new DM who thinks they have a cool idea and is excited about it and doesn't wanna tell their players about it, because it's supposed to be a fun surprise that they don't want spoiled

[narrow moss]

that's the vibe i get

i just don't like the targeted nerfs

feels wrong.

if he really wanted a specific idea to play out, that's what premade characters are for

[knotty vine]

Next thing I know I will be stripped of my rage which wont be the worst thing

[errant crag]

To me that reads as either:
They have a plan for a high danger gritty game that is meant to feel difficult and think that direct nerfs are the best way to do that (they're not)

Or

The DM thinks that players are very strong and stuff like this is necessary to challenge them

[feral fulcrum]

It reads much more like a new DM that's overly worried about power-gaming. Since they specified weak charecters only. And went out of their way to (slightly) nerf stats during chargen.

[narrow moss]

even someone with max dex can roll a 1 anyway

i've said my piece on teh background nerf tho

[knotty vine]

Oh the horror my armor class went from a 16 to a 15

[narrow moss]

oh nooooo

[knotty vine]

no clue how thats power gaming

[narrow moss]

it's such a weird choice. You're not allowed any plusses i guess

[knotty vine]

Im already streched on stats since I need at min a 13 in strength and wisdom

[narrow moss]

why

[feral fulcrum]

Because theyr'e multiclassing

[narrow moss]

well strength i get, why wis

ahhh multiclassing. The joys and perils of it

[errant crag]

Barbarian Druid multiclass

[narrow moss]

right they did say that.

nvm muh brain

[knotty vine]

Then theres con and dex

[narrow moss]

are they worried cuz you're a multiclass?

[feral fulcrum]

Wildshaped into a goldfish one too many times. THe Hazards of being a druid

[narrow moss]

hehe

[knotty vine]

Im not even sure if they know what muticlassing is tbh

I should prob ask them

[errant crag]

Is this DM a person that you know

[narrow moss]

or that it can make you weaker than a solo class

[errant crag]

You should probably talk to this DM about a lot of things

[narrow moss]

cuz of all the increased stuff like spreading stats thin

[knotty vine]

Hardly meet them a week ago

[neon salmon]

At this point, Tasha’s party gonna have maximum hp’s of 1

[narrow moss]

you can make powerful combos, but yeah.

1 max hp per level and that's pushing it

i'm teasing a bit. I hope they aren't that unreasonable.

but it sounds like you need to have a discussion and if they refuse, well... you go from there.

like someone said, it's your time.

but make it clear what your concerns are.

[errant crag]

My vote is give them a chance and give them honest (and constructive) feedback accordingly

Bad DMs never get better if nobody gives them a chance

[narrow moss]

well yeah, but i still don't ignore red flags

i expect the worst in people but hope for the best

[errant crag]

These aren't the massive red flags that you're acting like

[knotty vine]

qutoe from the dm
"All you need to make weak characters alright lol?
its very simple just don't minmax shit"

[narrow moss]

you're not understanding my philosophy is all, pink

i like being wrong about this stuff.

[errant crag]

I don't care about your philosophy with all due respect

It's not factoring into my thought process at all

[narrow moss]

i know. I can tell.

but don't act like i'm wrong for it.

moving on though.

[neon salmon]

Alright, Minmaxing worries i can understand

But even then, it dosent mean you have to force weakness on people

[knotty vine]

Another thing he said is make yourself "lizard level" which is another new player who was little to 0 idea what hes doing

[feral fulcrum]

Pardon, what level?

[narrow moss]

what is lizard level

[errant crag]

Lizard is a new player who has no idea what they're doing

That's what Tasha said

[knotty vine]

Lizard is that friend I mentioned earlier

[narrow moss]

your dm confuses me.

[errant crag]

I would just make a weak character and either enjoy the game or enjoy talking about how bad it was

[knotty vine]

I had to help him make a bard last time

[narrow moss]

honestly just have him give you an example at this point. if he can't even do that then idk what to say

[errant crag]

2014 PHB Gnome Berserker Barbarian

[knotty vine]

I asked him to just give me a character and he said "its not that hard to make a weak character"

[narrow moss]

...

[errant crag]

It's not

[knotty vine]

Also another thing about that

[narrow moss]

i've seen weak characters be op

[knotty vine]

I feel like they are confusing power gaming and minmaxxingf

Common mistake

[narrow moss]

they must be. it feels that way anyway

[still plover]

I'd arrange my stats to have +2 in my class reqs, and spend the spare as I like.

[errant crag]

Just take the opportunity to play fun stuff that isn't that good

Play a Battlerager

[narrow moss]

isn't that pathfinder. but idk

[errant crag]

That's bloodrager

[narrow moss]

riiiight

[knotty vine]

Mix maxing:in-maxing in D&D is the practice of optimizing a character by minimizing "dump" stats (lowering unnecessary abilities) to maximize key strengths
Power gaming: Power gamers are people who are out to make their characters the strongest one in the party and "win" the game

[narrow moss]

that's why it sounded familiar. Woops

[pliant sapphire]

Battlerager isn't good nor fun 😂

[knotty vine]

2014 berserker isnt fun either

[narrow moss]

i figured i was wrong i just didn't know why lol

[knotty vine]

Im a goblin through

[errant crag]

Maybe the DM wants an underpowered protagonist type of story

[narrow moss]

they can still give specific details on 'weak' in that case

[errant crag]

Where every battle is life and death, and misguidedly thinks this is the way to do that

[knotty vine]

Which I said mutiple times the dm refuses too

[narrow moss]

i know

[errant crag]

It's a new DM he may literally not be able to

[neon salmon]

Aaaaay Fellow goblin player

[knotty vine]

I love goblins

[narrow moss]

at best i don't trust your dm. And trust is important for a DM.

[neon salmon]

Im trialing my first gender swapped character as a goblin Warlock Rogue

[narrow moss]

idk if i could play a goblin but i respect those who do lol

sounds like it might be fun

[knotty vine]

I think the dm is just scared of what power gaming looks like

[errant crag]

If I asked a new DM to tell me what an optimized power gamey build looks like, would they be able to? Probably not
So how would they be able to give examples of what the opposite looks like?

[knotty vine]

and is trying way too hard to avoid it

[narrow moss]

what was the stat at before he nerfed it again? i guarantee the modifier you got from it wouldn't be op at all

[neon salmon]

Its chaotic but fun

In past sessions ive been doused in oil to squeeze through a locked door, and been treat as a volleyball in another session

[narrow moss]

people roll badly all the time

[errant crag]

They're a new DM their perspective of what's OP is skewed

[knotty vine]

he has not 1 but 3 experienced players he could talk too 2 of them being dms themselves

Hes being willingly closed off

But thats my two cents on the matter

[narrow moss]

well then I wish him luck on the future beatdown. even if it's gentle.

[errant crag]

And maybe they're just letting him cook with the intention to give him feedback and aren't just expecting the worst

[knotty vine]

Or willingly ignorant

[narrow moss]

who knows

[paper portal]

hewo chat

[knotty vine]

Theres this funny little thing called "research" I know its unheard of for anybody to do

[narrow moss]

i've done it

shocking i know

[knotty vine]

I do it all the time

[neon salmon]

I think, and this’ll be my final tid-bit

Trial the session and see how it goes
If it turns out good, then fair enough
If its bad, Offer critiques and if they dont respond to em just look for something else

[errant crag]

Just leave the game

[narrow moss]

honestly if they're still closed off after the first session (and it doesn't end in everyone dead even by accident) i'd just say thanks for the game and leave lol

[hot gate]

Sounds like a flag red enough for me to peace out.

[neon salmon]

Hey whats up

[narrow moss]

probs won't go that bad but idk

[neon salmon]

This

[errant crag]

If this new DM is such a schmuck for falling into a common new DM pitfall then just leave the game you're expecting a bad time already

[knotty vine]

Willful ignorance is the worst kind after all

[errant crag]

If you're not gonna give the guy a chance and are dreading it already just leave

Spare the guy

[knotty vine]

Im giving him a chance by hearing out his crazy ideas

[errant crag]

Well I wouldn't at this point with how you're talking about it

[narrow moss]

if it were a player i'd spare them. DM's are another matter. It's not like I'm saying to knife him though geez

[sleek flax]

Player’s choice, in the end

To leave or to stay

[narrow moss]

yep

just temper your expectations i guess

[errant crag]

Brother you literally dropped a "when people show you who they are the first time, believe them" over a common new DM pitfall

You have passed moral judgement on this person over a game

[narrow moss]

pink, you're the one who doesn't wish to understand me

[knotty vine]

My expecttations arent already the highest

[narrow moss]

so you should back off now.

text only translate so much anyway

[sleek flax]

I don’t think they meant that as harshly as you think, tones are difficult

[narrow moss]

yep

[glass granite]

Tbf, I do think that statement was harsh

[knotty vine]

I do understand where the dm is coming from but they are going about it in the wrong way

[narrow moss]

i also said 'expect the worst but hope for the best' in general

is it harsh? probably. But i'm not a jerk.

[sleek flax]

I understand why you want to emphasize to give beginners a chance, Pink, I appreciate it

[errant crag]

It's D&D you can't expect the worst

[sleek flax]

Well

[narrow moss]

it's a human, so i can

[errant crag]

Because by expecting it you create it

[knotty vine]

Aka he doesnt want us experienced players to leave behind the new player

[sleek flax]

Of course

[errant crag]

If you go in like "ugh a new DM this game is gonna suck" then you're not gonna have a good time no matter what

[knotty vine]

But it just feels like thats kinda bound to happe

[narrow moss]

i think if you go easy on new people they don't learn

[errant crag]

You've resigned yourself to expecting a bad game

[narrow moss]

but i'm not saying to murder him either cuz you don't learn that way either

[sleek flax]

Tempering your expectations is a bit different than being completely biased

[errant crag]

Leaving the game over new DM behavior isn't going hard on them it's not going on them in any way because you're not giving them a chance

[narrow moss]

all i'm gonna say is if i see a fire, I'm expecting it to be hot

[knotty vine]

Like the last time he played a bard he utterly forget that he had bardic insper's

[narrow moss]

that's not unreasonable.

[sleek flax]

Oh I need to use guidance more I keep forgettin

[knotty vine]

I had to remind him mutiple times that "hey friend you know you have spell casting right"

[neon salmon]

Not necisseraly pink

Theirs new and being open to learn, from your own and parties experiances, and then theirs playing as PC or DM, and refusing to grown

[narrow moss]

this dm isn't being open

[errant crag]

The game hasn't started yet

[knotty vine]

Granted they were a valor bard

I try to make my characters as lore accurtate as possible whenever I make them down to the clothes they wear usually as much as it hurts me sometimes

[narrow moss]

nice

[sleek flax]

Me too! Its fun but its work in the end sooo

[knotty vine]

aka this goblin Im making channels the rage of the feywild to fight

[narrow moss]

oh interesting

[knotty vine]

Queen wildheart is her name

[neon salmon]

Same
I always try to push for details and lore of the world to try and have my character work and make sense

In our Strahd campaign, and it being a gloomy setting, Ive built a tortal character who is jovial, But can flip the serious switch in a minute

[narrow moss]

reminds me of my grimm lol

[knotty vine]

Wildheart is a bit insane...

[narrow moss]

except he was insane.

[north vine]

Dance bard should get extra attack imo

[narrow moss]

for a reason not random but it was fun to be silly one moment and go lucid and scary the next. Within reason obviously. That kind of char can be hard to play

[errant crag]

They attack any time they spend a bardic inspiration on their turn

[narrow moss]

there was always a reason for the things he did

[knotty vine]

the long and short of her story was she was one of the few goblins who manged to overthrow the archfey that was ruler over the goblinoids

Tis why she has the "Queen" in her title

[narrow moss]

dance bard does sound like it should get an extra attack cuz, well, dancing

[neon salmon]

Oh yeah

Ive played the joke so far in ours, But at moments such as the attic and our fake tpk, Serious tortle came into action

[narrow moss]

well i played two characters for a freeform rp

brothers.

[knotty vine]

I mainly took this tidbit from the Mordenkaien book and made it a backstory
"Now many goblins pursue their own destinies, escaping the plots of both archfey and gods."

[narrow moss]

the sane and stable versus the insane and chaotic

very fun

[knotty vine]

Im always choatic good/neutral

[neon salmon]

Damn the backstory’s pretty good!

[narrow moss]

nice prompt for a char btw tasha

[knotty vine]

Yeah I love the goblin lore and how they are connected to the feywild and archfey mainly

[narrow moss]

i didn't really know that but good to know

then again stuff like that always changes depending on setting etc lol

[knotty vine]

true but its mainly a general thing heres a tiny bit more lore on that
Long before the god Maglubiyet conquered them, early goblins served in the court of the Queen of Air and Darkness, one of the Feywild’s archfey.

[narrow moss]

Unseelie? or is that not a thing in d&d feywild.

fae lore varies too depending on the media tbh

queen of air and darkness goes hard though

[knotty vine]

Goblins thrived in her dangerous domain thanks to a special boon from her—a supernatural knack for finding the weak spots in foes larger than themselves and for getting out of trouble. Goblins brought this fey boon with them to worlds across the Material Plane, even if they don’t remember the fey realm they inhabited before Maglubiyet’s rise

[errant crag]

I love multiclassing and they'll never get me to stop

[knotty vine]

And thats why the morden goblins have "Fey Ancestry"

[narrow moss]

neato

[knotty vine]

But my goblin was one of the few that remember the fey realm

[neon salmon]

Thats canny interesting that

In our in person campaign, Goblins are the oldest species and have a Knack for building inventions and pyrotechnics, So i built mine to be more studious and smooth talking

[knotty vine]

Mighty Booyahg

[narrow moss]

lol

[knotty vine]

I just went back and read something utterly scary from volo's
Booyahg Booyahg Booyahg. This goblin is a sorcerer with the wild magic origin whose every casting, including cantrips, is accompanied by a wild magic surge. Use the mage stat block in the Monster Manual to represent this goblin, adding darkvision and the Nimble Escape traits common to all goblins. Each time the goblin casts a spell, there is an accompanying surge of wild magic; roll on the Wild Magic Surge table in the Player’s Handbook to determine the wild magic effect.

"one second just gotta light a candle" cast prestidigitation rolls a 7-8

What would its cr even be

[hot gate]

Maybe like 1 higher than the normal statblock its using, because you can't balance much around constant surges.

[knotty vine]

true

[digital sleet]

How does one design a drow elf monk

[errant crag]

I think Shadow Monk could be a good subclass choice

Or a fitting one at least

[knotty vine]

It would be near perfect

[digital sleet]

Oo what is a shadow monk?

[errant crag]

Shadow Monk is a monk subclass, they get the ability to teleport between areas of darkness

[digital sleet]

OH WHAT

Thats epic

[errant crag]

Yeah it's pretty good

[digital sleet]

I am trying to design that ugly guy I am making rn.. its HARD

[digital sleet]

Let me ask my DM

[steel drum]

Do any of you people play solo and what are your suggestions for how best to do it?

[mortal skiff]

hi y'all

[idle oar]

D&D isn’t designed for solo play but there are folks who have created homebrew rules for it. I don’t have any links handy but I’m sure you can find them via internet search.

[last flume]

How did you make your name look awesome like that :?0

[knotty vine]

Im a witch

Its what we do

My stats are 21 16 18 19 14 14

[sleek flax]

Nitro booster

Sorry, I ruined the fun

[knotty vine]

I love magic items

[sleek flax]

Discord nitro is a magic item

[knotty vine]

since we started with 1 rare and 2 uncommons

I took a belt of hill giant strength and a headband of int

So now Im the brain and the brawn

[sleek flax]

Thats fun lol

[knotty vine]

I know right its so awesome

[last flume]

Most be a mighty Witch spell :0

[dense nacelle]

Knowing that there are characters who are lore-wise beyond level 20 in the forgotten realms makes me wonder what some class features would be for classes beyond 20

[feral fulcrum]

Are these actualy 5E era charecters, or is this old lore stuff you're mistaking as being correct and current?

[dense nacelle]

I mean it’s older stuff, but that doesn’t mean I can’t think about possible fun rules for DnD

[knotty vine]

Yall what uh

What background works in place of ruined

Aka "you had it all but lost it all"

[dense nacelle]

2014 or 2024?

[knotty vine]

2014

mainly trying to do
Personality Traits
Ideals
Bonds
Flaws

And ruined doesnt really give any

[wintry spindle]

Favourite snack

[buoyant oar]

I know that the 2014 dungeon Masters guide had rules for awarding things Beyond level 20

[knotty vine]

Boons

Kinda

[dense nacelle]

Epic boons, That’s about it.

And it was less of like leveling up and more like you achieve something great so you get an epic boon

[last flume]

What did you want out the fighter level? @dreamy minnow

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Character Classes):

Which class is listed as having low complexity?
A. Bard
B. Monk
C. Fighter
D. Druid

[dense nacelle]

Complexity in terms of what

[knotty vine]

Fighter

[last flume]

being complex😭 ?

Fighter is probably the least complex on the list

[knotty vine]

Bard and druid are both spell casters so they get thrown out the window

[last flume]

not that I think any class is complex or hard

DnD is pretty easy

[last flume]

Rogue

[knotty vine]

Monk on the other hand takes a little more knowage then fighter because you have to balance out your stats

Fighter on the other hand can just pick up a sword and start hitting people

[knotty vine]

Rogue needs to figure out placement and when to sneak attack

Or when they can

[wicked mulch]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#Step1ChooseaClass

[last flume]

There is no difference in "placement" between Rogue and Fighter, they only need to think about sneak attack, which is when an ally is within 5 ft. of the enemy or they have advantage

[knotty vine]

Rogues require more nuanced tactical positioning, resource management, and specialized knowledge of game mechanics to be effective,

Not to mention you only have a d8 compared to the fighers d10

So if you somehow get caught in the front line of combat you arent going to do as well

But rouges are much better in single target damage compared to fighters who can hit mutiple people in the same turn

[still plover]

Listed, heh. It's druid! Have a problem, become bear.

[knotty vine]

Druid is one of the more complex classes in the game

[prisma monolith]

Might anyone know of a good way to resell my old (condition like new) books at a reasonable amount?

[still plover]

I said what I said.

[knotty vine]

Also only moon druid can do that until other druids hit level 8

[still plover]

Only the usual suspects like eBay, FB Marketplace, local alternatives. I'm not sure what you'll get as a percentage of the original price unless they're particularly rare.

[prisma monolith]

I really just need it to be enough to be helpful, was hoping for at least like 60% original price if possible

[crimson gulch]

as with any sales finding a buyer is the hard part, if they are 5e books you can proboboly still sell them for 60% cover price no problem

[last flume]

I don't remember Rogue having any kind of resource management at all, Fighter has Second Wind, and Action Surge in their base class.
All the Rogue has to do is use their single attack and apply sneak attack or not.
Needing specialized knowledge of game mechanics is a bit of a stretch.

I don't see why Rogue isn't the simplest class in the game.

[dusky harbor]

There is more to dnd than combat

[uncut zenith]

It’s a little more complex in 2024 than in 2014, but really just because of how the new Cunning Strike interacts with the Sneak Attack pool

[dusky harbor]

Rogues real value is their skill monkey role over their damage imo

[prisma monolith]

They're all 5e2014, and the collection includes a few Kickstarter supplements and some of their peripherals

[still plover]

Some folk find the T&Cs of sneak attack to be complicated, I guess?

[limber trail]

I wouldn't say resource management makes for more complexity. Rogues often have a fair bit going on - rogues in my games are doing the most with reactions and readied attacks, movement and positioning, cunning strikes, advantage and disadvantage etc

[last flume]

these are all basic mechanics that all other classes pay attention to

[dusky harbor]

Fighter is the most simple by far.

[crimson gulch]

oh third party stuff from kickstarter is likely worthless for resale

[limber trail]

I've found rogues pay more attention to them. And yeah I'd agree, fighter or barbarian are a little simpler

Every class uses them but I've seen rogues pay the most attention to them

[uncut zenith]

Rogues also rely more on position and mobility

[limber trail]

Rogues also have a lot of bonus action economy to worry about

[errant crag]

Action Economics

[wicked mulch]

...and warlock.

[uncut zenith]

I don’t find warlock to be that complex tbh

It’s not low complexity either, I’d put it at mid complexity

[errant crag]

They're just different

Than typical spellcasters

[wicked mulch]

Bard, Druid, Monk, Sorcerer, and Warlock: all listed in the rules as "high" complexity.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah Pact Magic and invocations are really the things that make them stand out more

[still plover]

Warlock is like 90% setup. Once you're rolling, it's fine.

I'd probably rate most martials as being more complex on the basis of having to be able to read a tactical situation and try to make the best choices to deal with it.

[limber trail]

I'd shout monks as maybe the most complex martial?

[wicked mulch]

Barbarian, Cleric, Paladin, Ranger, Wizard = "Average" complexity.

[gusty charm]

Oh I always thought of sorcerer as they easier spell caster… maybe I’m stupid lol

[vernal owl]

Had a lot of trouble understanding warlocks and how they were different from other magic casters when i was new to the game

[wicked mulch]

Fighter and Rouge = "Low" complexity.

[uncut zenith]

It kinda makes me wonder what WOTC’s parameters were for rating the classes’ complexity

[errant crag]

I feel like clerics are the simplest full casters

[minor cargo]

It was definitely vibes based lol.
Edit: Not that it's a bad thing.

[errant crag]

They can change their spells on a long rest so aren't locked into any decisions in regards to their spells

[still plover]

Yeah, with their bag of tricks they need to be able to read the board to get the most effect for the party.

Any monk can punch all day, but it's the ones that make the most of push, pull and prone for their allies' benefit that really stand out.

[uncut zenith]

Definitely feels that way

[errant crag]

I should play paladins more

There's just no paladin subclasses that I really like

[uncut zenith]

I’ve played a couple of paladins but honestly just can’t get myself to love them

[errant crag]

I don't like the design of paladin subclasses

They feel very rigid compared to other subclass designs. They always have the same rigid feeling framework to their subclass design.

[uncut zenith]

I think I mostly just don’t like that so many of their key features (mainly auras) are passive, but that’s mostly because I often forget about features that I don’t have to activate myself.

[last flume]

I can't see any DnD class even as medium in "complex" scale, but I'm definitely affected by playing Pathfinder

[buoyant oar]

Pathfinder fixes this

[woven flint]

Hello, everyone 🧐

[woven flint]

Explodes you with mind

[vernal owl]

Dnd was my first ever ttrpg system so learning about spell slots and character creation was the most complicated thing out there for me 😭

[buoyant oar]

Sorry my fortitude save is better

[last flume]

It's always like that in any system you're new to

[errant crag]

I think people say stuff like that just because I've said before that it frustrates me

[woven flint]

Actually, Its a Will save

[errant crag]

And because other people have said the same

[buoyant oar]

Noooooo I dumped my will to survive

[knotty vine]

Makes sense

[woven flint]

Muhahaha!!!
KABOOM!!!

[buoyant oar]

Lukewarm take. Pathfinder is the Linux of ttrpgs

[woven flint]

So, folks, last nights eve of ruin session was... a trip 🫠

[turbid vessel]

Naw, that's GURPS

[buoyant oar]

Or traveller tbh

You right if DND is MacOS the Pathfinder is windows

[sly crest]

I grew up on vidya. Spell slots are still really weird to me.

[dusky harbor]

Wizards can be a tough class to play for some

[buoyant oar]

Wha happen goof

[woven flint]

We find a copy of Acererak, who, frankly doesn't want to do his job
He told us if he died or got misplaced, the real Acererak would show up.
We got our hands on the deck of many things
Our Bard offers the fake Acererak to draw from.the deck...
Dojon.
Cue the real Acererak showing up and us fighting for our lives
Our bard then decideds to keep drawing from the deck, Talon. Deck and his items are gone, the rest of the party manages to escape.. but he pulls a scroll of titan summoning and summons Tarrasque to fight Acererak and pretty much ends up dying.

I was pretty irritated to say the least.

[errant crag]

Is this not adventure spoilers

[woven flint]

No

Not REALLY

[sly crest]

I do want to play an Abjuration or Divination wizard eventually. The idea of doing little damage and still being really useful is tempting.

[errant crag]

I didn't know Acererak was in EoR

[woven flint]

Because all the shit that happened isn't how anything was supposed to go

[uncut zenith]

They announced it during promos, so I wouldn’t call it a spoiler if it’s something WOTC announced before the module even released

[woven flint]

Like, almost every big bad you can think of is in EOR, tbh.

[buoyant oar]

Yeah. Eve of Ruin was a jaunt down DND history

[errant crag]

Fine I'll just be spoiled then because it was in promos

[vernal owl]

Oh my god i thought you meant it was an actual trip like going from point A to point B

[sly crest]

Disappointment is no fun.

[woven flint]

I was pretty livid
We were told something bad would happen and he offers it to draw from the deck anyway.

You know, the one that could .. kill or misplace you?

[errant crag]

I kinda wish they didn't predominantly advertise in DDB and almost nowhere else

[sly crest]

I've heard about the deck, and none of it has been good.

[errant crag]

I never see D&D marketing almost ever

Because I don't use DDB

[still plover]

"The Deck. You drew it, we came."

[woven flint]

I got a Questing Knight when i drew from the deck :]

[sly crest]

Crap, where's the Deck of Many Elysiums?

[woven flint]

All of my deck draws across my characters have been good for the most part

[flint ledge]

I see roll 20 ads for the most part

[woven flint]

The only bad one I think I've gotten is the Rogue card

[flint ledge]

Or that one AI map website on youtube

[errant crag]

I see those and it's basically just the covers of D&D books

[minor cargo]

D&D Marketing uses Twitter pretty frequently (although sometimes it really does become a trashfire of comments).

And sometimes they'll ask YouTubers to review a book or something as a type of marketing. I don't think Ginny Di or Bob the Worldbuilder has done it in a while, but I vaguely recall they have in the past.

[sly crest]

I've seen advertising of third party material

I'll have to see if Den of the Drake has advertised anything

[uncut zenith]

They’ve been using Bluesky pretty consistently too, but I know that’s not as popular as Twitter

[buoyant oar]

Also Facebook

[vernal owl]

That's pretty much the only thing i see when it comes to advertisements related to dnd

[flint ledge]

Then you'd have to be on Twitter, which I truly don't wish on anyone

[errant crag]

I'm just screwed because I'm not exposed to the places they advertise things

[woven flint]

To be fair, my Eve of Ruin game is very modified, I don't even know if Acererak was even really supposed to show up for reals

[sly crest]

tbf, I don't mind this if it means other games get more advertisement.

[buoyant oar]

I guess so. At the same time. Previews generate hype and we can't expect the world to not talk about stuff in the preview materials for potential spoilers

[errant crag]

I'm doomed to get stuff spoiled to me and it be okay because they advertise almost everything in the book on this small handful of platforms

[buoyant oar]

Facebook Twitter DDB YouTube and blusky have probably about 40-70% of the worlds population. It's not a small number of platforms.

[errant crag]

It's a small number of large platforms

And they don't do YouTube ads they do content creator sponsorships

Which would require I watch those creators

[buoyant oar]

I see many sponsored YouTube shorts and pre rolls. Especially the Vecna trailer with Neil Newbon

[sly crest]

a) competition could be healthy for DnD
b) some of the indie games look really dope in their own right.

[uncut zenith]

They do ads on their YT channels too, but I think they mainly do it on their official DDB channel

Though I do find it a little silly that they have two separate channels. I’m assuming they felt it was easier than onboarding one channel into another after they bought DDB from… Fandom?

[minor cargo]

Yeah. Like a few years ago, they had a D&D Live event, where they went through the roadmap and other things coming up. I don't think that has happened in a while, but there's another example of their advertising.

But to the earlier point, yeah, if you don't engage with YouTube, then of course you'll miss that one, too.

[empty thicket]

Yes, i think the same.
One can get better with competition

[woven flint]

I'm gonna be real
With the campaign being multiversal and the main Villain being from Greyhawk , is it THAT surprising that a number of individuals from Greyhawk show up?
Especially his former student..?

[errant crag]

Well next time I have adventure stuff spoiled I'll be sure to kick myself in the ass for not watching the D&D pre release content review on these specific YouTube channels

[sly crest]

Has anyone tried Greyhawk?

[errant crag]

I didn't know Acererak was his former student

But thats less of a spoiler esque thing

Thats just lore

[woven flint]

Oh yeah!
Vecna taught Acererak and Acererak stole the secreta of Lichdom from him

Thats just lore, not spoilers lol dw

[uncut zenith]

iirc didn’t Vecna canonically invent lichdom too?

[errant crag]

This is my problem though, I hate the "well it was in the marketing so get spoiled bozo" because I don't use facebook, DDB, Twitter, Bluesky, and I don't watch D&D YouTubers and especially not the official channels

[uncut zenith]

I think he either invented it or uncovered at a time where it was a long forgotten secret

[woven flint]

I know Vecna was ONE of the first Liches...

I don't know of he was the first lich 🤔

I wouldn't be surprised if he was

[minor cargo]

I don't think anyone is calling you a bozo.

I think we can all recognize that if you didn't know, it sucks to get it spoiled. But at the same time, folks that were aware of these announcements (because they're on these social media platforms) assumed it was common knowledge.

It's a tough situation, but I don't think there's any actual malice here.

[uncut zenith]

For the record, I wasn’t trying to insult you when I pointed out that it was already part of their marketing, so I’m sorry if I made you feel that way. I also understand the frustration of having something spoiled.

[woven flint]

Yes, and I do apologize if I spoiled it a bit,
I was sharing my experience because it was something sp out of left field that I didn't know if it would happen in any other V:EOR run
i should've blacked out some things and put a spoiler warning

[errant crag]

It's whatever it doesn't matter anymore

I'm going to bed I'll see y'all later

[uncut zenith]

I’m starting to feel the itch to run a campaign again

[buoyant oar]

Do it.

[uncut zenith]

I was kinda holding off until we get a 2024 full module

That said, we don’t know when that’ll happen

[buoyant oar]

September

[last flume]

I assumed it was that one Demon Lord Orcus? (I could've sworn he can control all liches he helps create)

[buoyant oar]

Arcana Unleashed Deadfall is a Hardcover Module

[uncut zenith]

Oh sweet

[sly crest]

I just imagined corpses raining from the ceiling

[uncut zenith]

I thought it was just gonna be the new Everything guide

[buoyant oar]

Arcana Unleashed is the Magic Supplement. Deadfall is a separate book

And its priced like Froge of the Artificer mainly because it looks like it has all of the non essential stuff like PC Options stripped out of it. Which will be put into the Arcana Unleashed book. I think tbh that is the best way to do it.

Like the FR books being the template.

A book for players and DMs and a book for DMs to supplement the other.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah as much as I hate paying for two separate books, I do like the template of making a DM facing book and a player facing one

[digital sleet]

I was today years old when I found out elves dont have body hair.. the plans I had to give my Drow a stubble or something
-# idk where to talk about this

[uncut zenith]

I mean there’s nothing stopping you except your willingness to stick to lore

[sly crest]

Never stopped the night elves

[last flume]

Drow are the exception they can grow mustaches or so I heard

[digital sleet]

REALLY?? what a nice day to choose a drow

[sly crest]

I just made the ugliest face lol

[uncut zenith]

That also feels largely untrue cuz I vaguely remember there being art of elves with facial hair

[grand nebula]

I'm seeing some spells sources from "AI" what book is that?

[uncut zenith]

Acquisitions Incorporated

[paper portal]

artificial intelligence acquisitions incorporated

[digital sleet]

WOOO

Also making this character is forcing me to actually lock in when it comes to hair designs

[empty thicket]

there is items that give beards so...

or just magic too

Imagine an elf selfcasting a spell to grow a mustache

[uncut zenith]

One specifically that I know of. The Belt of Dwarvenkind

But again, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen official art of elves with facial hair without the implication that magic was used

[empty thicket]

maybe hybrids?

[uncut zenith]

Either way, if anybody wants to give their elf character a beard, nothing’s stopping you

[empty thicket]

i find more appealing the use of mustache on them
Orks have a better look with beard

[uncut zenith]

Ultimately I don’t think it should matter to anybody but the player how their character looks

[feral fulcrum]

The council of clean shaven elves say otherwise

[oak comet]

Well, the main issue with Elves is that they have been depicted a certain way, having beautiful appearances, always young, etc etc

Them being always displayed without facial hair became kind of a main point of their beauty standard and selfcare

[feral fulcrum]

They come for your bearded elves, armed with magical razors

[upbeat quest]

Hello

[oak comet]

I would imagine an elf having a moustache, as somebody said above

[last flume]

Bearded Elves are an affront to Corellon

[feral fulcrum]

Well he is often depicted as multi-gendered as I recall.

[empty thicket]

wait, so old elves are rare?

they get so old that something kill them before reaching such point or what?

[last flume]

No but they remain looking youthful until old age

[uncut zenith]

And I get that, but this is also a game where people play as creatures that don’t exist and fight flying fire-breathing death lizards and cast spells. It doesn’t hurt to let someone play a bearded elf lol

[last flume]

to humans at least

[woven flint]

I had an Elf character concept with red hair and a red beard lol
He magically grew it

[upbeat quest]

I mean DND is heavily inspired by Tolkiens lotr, but I'm having elves with beard and mustaches if they're old for my homebrew, they just age slower than humans

[feral fulcrum]

It's less that they're rare, and more like Elves don't get wrinkly and Obviously Aged until quite some time later I beleive

So the vast majority of elves who aern't about to kick the bucket, look, well... not terribly old?

[woven flint]

Just use magic to grow beards smh

[oak comet]

In D&D depends how you want to represent them

But in most fantansy settings, they have been depicted as long living or immortal beings with eternal beauty

[empty thicket]

just remembered something
Elves cant do funny things because it will have embarrassment about it for centuries
While short lifespam races can because they ball about it

[upbeat quest]

How didn't I think of that 🤣

[feral fulcrum]

You mean Dark Elf/drow?

[empty thicket]

those long point ear wood huggers

[upbeat quest]

Probably why they decide to have a calm personality

[empty thicket]

I will reach my 60 with arthritis and balding and they are going to look exactly the same after 500 years

[woven flint]

Elves can have any skin color like humans, logistically ..

[feral fulcrum]

Even longer, if they're Astral Elves (And linger in the Astral realms)

[woven flint]

What???

[uncut zenith]

Who are technically more of a dark blue/purple

[last flume]

Everyone in the Astral Realm lives almost forever though

[upbeat quest]

Guys random question cause I'm a new DM which race in your opinion has the most interesting Canon lore?

[lean wigeon]

kobolds

[woven flint]

Begrudging sigh
Drow.

[feral fulcrum]

Strictly speaking, the more unusual colorations are limited to the more exotic types of elves.

[woven flint]

Duergar as well

[last flume]

Don't bring up that cursed lore, you know exactly what I mean, maybe (Elite Ball Knowledge)

[uncut zenith]

Depends on the setting you’re playing in. Not all species are portrayed the exact same way across all settings.

[woven flint]

Just uh... don't look too much into the Drow Lich Goddess and you're good.

[upbeat quest]

Too bad I did my research about her

[woven flint]

Slowly sips my coffee

[uncut zenith]

I actually like the new 2024 elf art that shows that as having non-standard and more colorful skin tones

[feral fulcrum]

Blue/Snow White elves, Gold, bright green, etc. Are pretty much Eladrin only. Though you probbably got very pale elves of some variety...there's only like a hundred different flavors of elves

[humble cairn]

Ahh Kiaransalee the Revenancer.

[woven flint]

Yeah uh.. wonderful lore, huh?

[upbeat quest]

Sure... We love sacrifices

[woven flint]

Not just sacrifices, but.. yeah, we'll go with that

Kiaransalee is the only God that disgusts me in all of D&D lol

[upbeat quest]

I haven't done too much research cause technically I started Dming like 3 months ago-ish and I'm just starting to plan my homebrew lore

[upbeat quest]

What God is that?

[woven flint]

The Drow Lich Goddess.

[upbeat quest]

Oh dang didn't hear about her

[woven flint]

She uh.. she's sick.

Horrid.

[feral fulcrum]

Many of the evil gods are.

[woven flint]

Worse than Lolth.

[upbeat quest]

What about Sharr? I think her name was that

[woven flint]

Eh, its more her depravity than her evils disgusting me.

[feral fulcrum]

Sharr's an abusive control freak with thin skin and few morals, but she's like, basic tier evil.

[upbeat quest]

Ah alright alright 🤔

Which God/goddess is like very interesting to learn about?

[feral fulcrum]

That's an entirely subjective thing :V

[uncut zenith]

I’m pretty fond of Ilmater myself

[feral fulcrum]

You'd have to learn about them to see if you find them interesting

[woven flint]

I like Kelemvor...

But i also like..
Ghaunadaur

[last flume]

Eilistraee my beloved

[woven flint]

Ghaunadaur is the funniest deity in the Dark Seladrine

He's OLDER than even Ao lmao

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, was Ellistraee even mentioned regarding Bladesingers?

[woven flint]

My favorite Primordial Ooze

[woven flint]

Potentially!
Drow also have their own version of Bladesingers known as Deathsingers

Because of course they do.

[last flume]

Those are Lolth's no?

[upbeat quest]

Aggressively does research about all the gods

[woven flint]

Most likely, but I was bringing it up anyway

[woven flint]

I've already done it

I'm an Encyclopedia of deity knowledge in D&D lol

[uncut zenith]

Mind you these are only Forgotten Realms gods. They have the biggest pantheon, but other settings have their own gods

[feral fulcrum]

I was talking about specifficaly in the writeup for Bladesigners, I can't recall if they mentioned her or not, as IIRC she basically created it.

[upbeat quest]

🤯

[last flume]

Sword Dancers of Eilistraee? but they're ~~Clerics ~~Priestess' not Wizards

[woven flint]

No, I don't believe it says anything about her

[feral fulcrum]

Figures

They frequently don't bother with the lore 🙁

Or, did, rather.

[woven flint]

Bladesong as a tradition is probably most likely seperate from religion

Its more of an art to them

[last flume]

"Elven legends stated that Corellon actually taught the art of bladesinging to its first practitioner.[4]"

[woven flint]

Well, there you go ^

[last flume]

The Bladesinger Wiki page doesn't mention anything about the Drow

[woven flint]

Even if Elistraee WAS responsible for Bladesong, I think records would've been scrubbed regarding the Drow gods once they were banished, even if Elistraee self-exiled

[storm magnet]

My party made it to a fea village and one of them started a fire towards the back of the shop

I’m a player

[neon salmon]

I need to do more research lol

The only God im aware of is Lathander due to my character being a follower of hid

[feral fulcrum]

Fey village you mean?

[storm magnet]

Yeah fey

[woven flint]

Bahamut is my favorite Good deity

Most of my favorites fall in the Neutral or Evil categories lol

[uncut zenith]

Worth noting that up until recently Drow were treated as separate from the other elf species, so the wiki probably is reflecting older lore that hasn’t been updated yet

[storm magnet]

Would you be upset as a dm if someone did that to your campaign

[empty thicket]

i dont know any deity

[twilit sail]

Battle cats

[feral fulcrum]

Depends entirely on the reason they decided to light a shop on fire.

[storm magnet]

To create a distraction for the other party members to steal

[woven flint]

The gods, while, majority surface leveled individuals.
Are pretty interesting in D&D

[harsh hinge]

That feels like gremlin behavior, and I would be miffed. But not every player is a good fit for every table.

[feral fulcrum]

For funsies, because the shop keeper was mildly annoying, etc, you're going to get a stern talking to (And if you do it again, you get the boot).

[last flume]

They comited a crime and there should be consequences

[feral fulcrum]

But as cover for theivery, well...it's a very poor distraction, and there's be the whole "Are you SURE about that?" But I'd let it fly

[neon salmon]

Poor shop keeps like the cabage man from last airbender in this scenario

[storm magnet]

Another party member tried to pin the fire on me because I’m a Dragonborn

[feral fulcrum]

Now that, would not fly.

[neon salmon]

For that, id set my own party members on fire as retribution

[storm magnet]

I casted zone of truth on myself to assuage me of suspicion by the villagers, and the guy who started the fire kinda meta gamed and moved out of range of the zone so they could lie ig

[last flume]

As always people must create player characters that work together, if they don't that's a no go. Of course conflict is part of RPing but it should always be cooperative

[feral fulcrum]

That's when the DM brings out the cudgel and beats the player over the head with "This is a cooperative storytelling game dangit, don't go out of your way to try and screw over the other players you dingus."

Your group definitely needs to talk about table ettiquette and expected behavior.

[storm magnet]

I wonder how screwed I’d be if I didn’t know zine of truth

[feral fulcrum]

Depends on if your dm would let you do a Persuasion check or not

[neon salmon]

Or if the dm would even let that senario fly

[storm magnet]

Well I could fail a persuasion check

[empty thicket]

If persuasion fail, try intimidation

[twilit sail]

In game right

[storm magnet]

But I was in the store the whole time and even saved/warned the shopkeeper

[woven flint]

No.

For real

[feral fulcrum]

You could, but at least you'd have had the chance even if you didn't had the spell

[woven flint]

I felt like setting a party member on fire last night :]

He knows what he did.

[neon salmon]

Oh yeah, they wanna blame me cause i chose dragonbourne. Then imma set them on fire 🤣

[twilit sail]

This is ur first message in the server

[woven flint]

"I do not know nor associate with theses people."

"You walked into the city with them!"

"PURE COINCIDENCE!"

[knotty vine]

Im curious wha thtey said

[icy bone]

When you charge 2 silver to heal your own party

[twilit sail]

See this is why you become the party face

[feral fulcrum]

begging for money via paypal. Very likely a scam bot.

[storm magnet]

I’m playing with friends so I didn’t feel miffed at time but saying it all back makes it sound very bad

[icy bone]

Isn't this fair lol??

[woven flint]

Its fine, really

[undone rain]

Yk what would be sick? Having a cleric or paladin magically transform their holy symbol into a weapon

[feral fulcrum]

Only two silver?

[icy bone]

I would've gone with 5 . Any suggestions

[storm magnet]

An empty glass bottle costs 2 gold

[feral fulcrum]

To be fair, anythign aimed at adventurer's is inflated to heck and back

[harsh hinge]

Read #looking-for-players!

[woven flint]

I had a War Cleric that only healed people that actively helped in the war efforts against a lich.
He literally let someone die in front of him because they weren't contributing

[feral fulcrum]

Like, seriously, a Commoner makes like, 1 gold piece in a year if they're lucky or something absurd like that in 5E

[icy bone]

Using a spell that heals people . Maybe i should go with 5 gold coins

[twilit sail]

I want my next char to be a hexblade who has a frying pan instead of a sword

[feral fulcrum]

Do not give any serious attention to the nonsense economy of 5E, because WOTC definitely didn't.

[empty thicket]

i was expecting to everybody ignore it like an elephant in the room

[storm magnet]

So buying 5 glass bottles makes a commoner rich lol

[empty thicket]

I can see it happen with a paladin ngl.
A conquest paladin lets say

[woven flint]

'There's something you forgot to address!" /ref

[harsh hinge]

Then you'll have to check other platforms/avenues. I have a list of such places linked in my bio.

[neon salmon]

What you mean? 😂

[still plover]

Makes the Glassblowers Guild rich. Commoner gets usual rate.

[twilit sail]

So you can be the one who blames other ppl

[feral fulcrum]

The Party 'face' is the guy who does most of the talking/presenting to others, as they're the charismatic one/least abrasive.

[hollow stone]

in every party i'm in, i wind up being the notetaker, i record EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS

[feral fulcrum]

And thus, if you're the guy that everybody talks to and likes, and are the most trushworthy out of the bunch...it's going to be very hard to frame you for crap by malicious party members.

[empty thicket]

that is always welcome ngl

[feral fulcrum]

Certainly better then being the guy who can't remember what happened five minutes ago...

Having a player that's entirely checked out of the game is a BUMMER

[neon salmon]

Oh damn, i didnt realize there was an actual name for that

[hollow stone]

i also really like Warlock so i wind up being the face quite often

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, I gave the Book of Vile Darkness to Tasha yesterday 😎

Yes, THE Tasha.

She gave our party some favor with Graz'zt (despite my fella hating demons, he'll let it slide) and my character Lolths true name (He's a Drow trying to vanquish her)

[vernal owl]

I used to play in a game where the party face was the barbarian with -2 in charisma it was funny

[twilit sail]

Did he at least have actor feat

[storm magnet]

Would you guys break character if you were falsely accused by another party member?

[undone rain]

Im definetly gonna use it tho i will do it with a war cleric. Ive played one too many paladins

[feral fulcrum]

My group technically has two 'faces'. Though only one is actually specced for it. The Bard (Obviously), and myself, the Fairy Wizard

[vernal owl]

They always made valid points for any arguments, haggled really well but rolled shit even when the dm gave them advantage 😭

[woven flint]

Playing 4d Chess to murder the Spider Queen 🔥

[neon salmon]

Oh yeah, id pause and say “what the hells are you doing”

[twilit sail]

Counterpoint: Nuh uh

[feral fulcrum]

Though I'm only a 'face' because I just like being very involved in things, and like keeping everything moving along...and being an endlessly arrogant miracle maker.

[hollow stone]

i like a lot of the Charisma things, i might play a Swashbuckler Rogue to be the face as a martial class

[vernal owl]

No idea honestly, prolly not since it never came up

[empty thicket]

i have to play other classes, didnt had the chance to try other thing yet than fighter

[neon salmon]

I tend to be the face a lot, my main concern is that i dont want to be overbearing so i often ask what other people think

[last flume]

It depends on the situation? If it was toxic behaviour I would naturally call it out

[woven flint]

Imagine a mortal walking up to you and uttering your true name, a name you haven't heard in centuries, millineium even... a name lost to time...

How much Aura does that have? 🤔

[umbral girder]

2

[woven flint]

:[[[

[last flume]

Anything you can elaborate on?

[simple river]

So, how long did it take before the Goons stopped posting in Revels end? And how many did the admins let back in?

[storm magnet]

Oh mb

[hollow stone]

"chat, this mortal just doxxed my government name, i'm gonna smite him."

[storm magnet]

One party member started a fire at a shop, and another said you did it because you’re a Dragonborn

[last flume]

Yeah, I read that, seems like some people at the table don't seem to be taking the game and roleplaying their characters seriously, seems toxic

[woven flint]

Lolth when I call her Araushnee and start talking mad shit about how her husband was right to banish her and how her daughter WILL win the war

[twilit sail]

Sue for defamation

[hollow stone]

oh, you can accuse their character of being a racist and put the pressure on them

[storm magnet]

Haha I did call them racist

The player wanted to clarify that their character is not racist and apologized

[vernal owl]

No one tried to vouch for your character?

[storm magnet]

They were all in on a scheme to steal except me

I casted a zone of truth to prove my innocence

Oh, the fire was a distraction to steal from the shop

[neon salmon]

Id raise issue with the DM and see what he says

[woven flint]

"Let's start a fire instead of doing literally anything else as a distraction"

100 IQ plays

[hollow stone]

i mean my sorc burned down a tower once but i didn't blame the party, i just said i didn't do it

[woven flint]

If I played my Minotaur Cleric
He'd burn down your village and tell you he did it, just to start your villain backstory lol

[twilit sail]

I once blamed society after i killed someone and i rolled well so it worked

[last flume]

Just seems like uncoordinated and chaotic game planning

[neon salmon]

Alright Joker, Damn 😂

[woven flint]

"Baphomet told me to raze your pathetic village, by the way. You're lucky that's all he told me to do!"

[storm magnet]

My character learned the recipe to make a potion of hill giants strength!

Don’t know when that’ll come up

But pretty neat

[steel aspen]

Hello! I’ve never actually played D&D but always wanted to,I’ve tried 3 times but something always happened

When I was a kid I tried playing, but my mom flipped out, not just because of the game but the person I was playing with was twice my age

In Afghanistan i tried to play, the HQ people where going to play, I wanted to but I was way too busy, I was on patrol 6-7 days a week 12-24 hours a day

Not too long ago I tried on discord with some people from a furry server and we got everything set up, but everyone backed out at the last minute

[limpid sparrow]

Whats Your opinion on CL with Elven Accuracy?

[woven flint]

Welcome to the server, Theo

[thorn wedge]

Cl?

[torn tartan]

Oof that sucks man

[torn tartan]

Cl?

Oh casters?

[hollow estuary]

Werebear bugbear bear totem barbarian

Seriously funny and a actually op build lol

AL legal too I believe as werebears are NG and not evil

[craggy summit]

Take a shot everytime you said bear 😅