dnd-discussion

[humble cairn]

Sure, but there are so many more stereotypes than just that.

Good thing there are way more tropes than just the ones limited to the D&D community.

[flint ledge]

If you take the classic YouTube dnd stereotypes, that's annoying

[reef tundra]

Character tropes and archetypes are peak.
Dnd class tropes and archetypes are…. Not

[flint ledge]

Like the Bard seducing anything and everything, that's annoying

[tall valley]

I was once a life cleric/necromancer. my motto was “no matter what, you’re getting back up.”

[stray lantern]

Homie asked me for the D&D combat playlist and now he's all confused asking me "Why are almost all these songs from a card game?"

Who am I to question why a card game designer decided to go so unbelievably hard for a game where you put numbers on a board

[flint ledge]

Did you ever get to use the necromancer part on them?

[tall valley]

Oh my g. Yes!! It was bittersweet!!!

[neon salmon]

Did you manage to full revive or was it more “lights are on but no ones home” scenario

[tall valley]

Dude was a zombie.

[flint ledge]

"Don't worry, I'll keep you alive. One way or another..."

[tall valley]

We kind of just went with it and that was his character after that point.

Really made the paladin aspect for him quite awkward.

[flint ledge]

Speaking of, what deity did your cleric serve?

[tall valley]

Haha. Lolth.

[stray lantern]

Sacrilege...

[flint ledge]

That tracks

[tall valley]

I always worship Lolth.

[tacit halo]

@nimble isle #tales-from-the-table message

A Lvl 10 Spellslinger would scare the pants off of him.in an instant

What was his AC without magic (if you know)

[paper portal]

Spellslonger

[neon salmon]

Fair play, I went with Lathander with my Cleric

[tall valley]

Then we’re enemies.

[tall valley]

C’mon. Everyone in the party loved the idea of a zombie paladin.

[tacit halo]

Minor spelling error

[reef tundra]

My order cleric served Tyr

[paper portal]

Ah like from god of war /silly

[flint ledge]

Although typically I don't imagine Lloth as a deity for life domain clerics

[reef tundra]

I would just like to remind everyone that he was in a family of assassins, which were the other players

[neon salmon]

Oh damm, wonder how that dynamic played out

[stray lantern]

Death domain cleric watching in disgust
Let the dead rest

[reef tundra]

He didn’t mind too much, except for when his father did it, because his father was the most sadistic of the family

[tall valley]

Yea. I mean it is cool. I did a full barbarian campaign and my character was a drag queen named Chunky Tinsel.

[reef tundra]

Now I hate to umm actually but that’s grave clerics who wish for the dead to remain resting

[flint ledge]

Wouldn't that be grave domain? (I think that's what it's called)

[pliant sapphire]

Yeah. Death domain cleric would love that idea

[flint ledge]

I mean death Domain literally gets animate dead

[neon salmon]

Next session i do is gonna be uncharted waters for me, im multi-classing for the first time

[stray lantern]

Listen I meant to type that I am just quite tired

[flint ledge]

Death Domain is Myrkul territory, Grave domain would be Kevlemor

[tall valley]

I fell in love with my current character. Probably going to stick with that dude.

[stray lantern]

Personally I prefer Anubis

[stray lantern]

Share with the class Jimothy

[reef tundra]

Anubis is pretty goated

[tall valley]

My super kind myconid that automatically accepts any request asked of him, doesn’t understand how money works, and has ridiculously high self confidence.

[stray lantern]

What a sweet sentient swarm of spores, I'd let him eat as many corpses as he wanted

[flint ledge]

Sounds like a plasmoid I recently had in my campaign

[tall valley]

He wouldn’t do that. He eats mushrooms.

[stray lantern]

My old players still haven't realised the hoembrew deity I made was literally just Anubis

[stray lantern]

But how else will he make more of himself to start a colony?

[flint ledge]

Called Sibuna

[tall valley]

Oh. He’s been excommunicated for giving himself a name and wanting to mingle with the other races.

[stray lantern]

Nah, his name was Ba, as in the term Egyptians used for soul

[stray lantern]

And for eating mushrooms? I can't see cannibalism being appreciated

[tall valley]

People eat other mammals. It’s the same thing here.

[stray lantern]

Yeah but we don't eat elf and onion soup, or monkeys, they're too closely related, it'd be like you eating yeast, but you eat mushrooms

[tall valley]

Mushrooms are just mushrooms. They aren’t sentient.

[stray lantern]

Or slime molds actually

[stray lantern]

You tell that to the mycelium networks that bind trees

[tall valley]

Look. I made a character and he is who he is.

[flint ledge]

People do eat monkey in parts of the world though. So I wouldn't call that a great comparison

[tall valley]

I didn’t want to bring that up.

[flint ledge]

My point being is, that a myconid isn't just a random mushroom that suddenly grew legs and started walking they're entirely different from regular mushroom and fungi

[tall valley]

Exactly.

Eating regular mushrooms is like a human eating cow meat.

Plus, wouldn’t eating mushrooms offer the best nutrients for another mushroom?

All the nutrients are in there already.

[dim schooner]

how do i send messages that adjust to people's time automaticcally

[hot gate]

You can use a website like this: https://discord-timestamps.com/

Then copy the format you want and you get something like <t:1777537920:f>

[north tundra]

Damn. I really want to upload my homebrew here. But it's pdf file and those can't ve shared in homebrew section T-T

[hot gate]

Yeah, no direct uploads are possible, but you can upload it to something like google drive and then share a link.

[north tundra]

Damn. No GIFs. I tried to send Gale's thank you :3

[flint ledge]

Yeah don't feed the gif dragon.

[prisma prairie]

Gif dragon is On a diet

[olive storm]

Hello. I am not new to D&D but I am new to the server.

[glad ferry]

Ive got some fun ideas for running my first one shot

[glad arch]

Welcome

[glad arch]

Hes gotten too chunky

[marble hinge]

[glad ferry]

For the final puzzle door its not enchanted no traps and has them yell something embarrassing about each person even though they could just walk through it alerting the enemies around them

[olive storm]

My brother is running a Curse of Strahd game and he says he is taking inspiration from the game Fear & Hunger... I am terrified.

[glad arch]

Hey ive seen that youtube short

[glad ferry]

Havnt done CoS yet

Indeed lol. It sounds funny

[olive storm]

Fear & Hunger is a game that is objectively more dark than Curse of Strahd.

[flint ledge]

Oh.... Cause Curse of Strahd wasn't disturbing enough of course

[olive storm]

One of the endings, that is in every game, is you jump down a chamberpot hole looking for loot in the roleplaying game and starve to death.

So you just starve to death in a poohole.

[glad ferry]

You look into a well and what do you find? Theres nothing there-matt

[olive storm]

And that's like... One of the more tame deaths. There's a boss called Shivers or something that turns you into a human centipede.

[marble hinge]

Hell yea

[glad ferry]

Just get them trapped in a cycle of dying starving reversing then feeling it over and over just so they can watch for fun

[flint ledge]

I think we should perhaps stop here before a mod casts smite

[glad ferry]

I dont wanna fight shades

[olive storm]

Yeah valid.

Sorry, was just trying to communicate... I am terrified to play this game.

[glad ferry]

The whole going to 0 strenght you die and come back as a shade

Or shadow whichever enemy it is

[olive storm]

Should I play a gnome artificer or a satyr paladin or a tiefling bard?

[flint ledge]

Yeah and curse of Strahd is not exactly a very happy module by itself

[olive storm]

I know.

[glad ferry]

I wanna try ravenloft

[olive storm]

I'm super worried I'm gonna die.

Honestly if the campaign just keeps going we can at least play it to a TPK.

[flint ledge]

We'll get more ravenloft soon

[olive storm]

Every time I play a campaign it drops.

Satyr paladin is such a vibe. I love being immune to magic.

[glad ferry]

I also never realized that healing magic counted as white necromancy

[humble cairn]

Of the three the Paladin is probably the toughest, if you're worried about dying. But honestly, how dire a threat death is an any campaign is up to the group. If you don't want it to be such a threat all the time, express those thoughts to the group and DM and work it out.

[north tundra]

If you're somebody, then where you were somewhen when something happened to someone?

[Noir detective music]

[olive storm]

Can you have multiple auras going at a time like Aura of Protection and the magical aegis aura?

[humble cairn]

Cure Wounds has been many schools over the years and editions. Necromancy, Evocation, Abjuration, Transmutation.

[glad ferry]

I dont mind the threat of death. It adds flavor to the story

[flint ledge]

I don't think there's any reason for why not?

[olive storm]

[olive storm]

I'd prefer if they just got over the necromancy stigma and made everything affecting the transition between life and death into necromancy.

Like raise dead? Necromancy. Cure wounds? Necromancy. You cannot evoke healing energy because there is not elemental plane of healing.

[flint ledge]

I was somewhere somewhen when something happened to someone

[north tundra]

@olive storm wait! Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait! Your pfp. Is that reference to Mr. Tumnus from Narnia!

[north tundra]

Damn...you free to go. Have a nice day, sir

[olive storm]

No actually! It is a Picrew from an artist called Baydews.

[humble cairn]

Honestly it just goes to show that the difference between the various schools of magic is largely arbitrary.

[flint ledge]

Cure wounds in my head makes more sense to be transmutation

[olive storm]

The artist makes a bunch of assets to be used to make custom artwork.

[reef tundra]

Another picrew pfp user, greetings

[olive storm]

Heyo!

[flint ledge]

Hey Amity

[olive storm]

I like satyrs. I am the goat.

[north tundra]

Oh. Okay. It just looks really similar

[reef tundra]

I will gladly use that in my games, I like magic being mysterious, so having the labels of the schools be completely arbitrary and humanoids’ attempt to rationalise a wild aspect of the universe is very on theme for my setting and interesting to me

[olive storm]

Umm acktually not every satyr is related to Mr. Tunmes.

[north tundra]

Goats are cool yeah

[olive storm]

(I have never seen Narnia)

[glad ferry]

Theres some really cool spells though

[reef tundra]

Hi Somebody

[north tundra]

I mean. The design is kinda similar. Naked torso with just a scarf, big ears, more humain face,

[olive storm]

Das fair. Like I said, I never watched Narnia.

[rough basalt]

artist that made the picrew may have used them as inspiration

[flint ledge]

I do truly need another name don't I

[north tundra]

Well. As someone who saw it as a kid and now as adult I could state that you didn't miss much

Like. It's basically a fantasy version of Bible

[reef tundra]

Perhaps

[humble cairn]

I do like to give Wizards and Wizard schools some benefit for having classified magic, but I also like there to be a more wibbly truth under it. The schools of magic are true-ish and it might be so because wizard schools are enforcing those classifications in a quantum observer type way rather than having discovered it.

[north tundra]

Make them have pacts with different realms

[olive storm]

I am... Not sure I know what you mean...

Like... What does that mean? That can have so many different meanings.

[north tundra]

Not like warlock parts, but more like corporate agreements

[gusty charm]

It adapts the Bible into a fantasy world basically. The books are all Christian allegories

[olive storm]

Ahh okay. I thought you were speaking in like hyperbole.

[reef tundra]

I can use that too! Controlling magic is seen as very villainous in my setting, so I can use this as a way that the god of magic and wizards are trying to take control of it all

[olive storm]

I am currently writing a setting where the only magic that is accepted is life magic. The setting is based around the idea that reincarnation is a fundamental part of the cosmology and life magic draws on a reservoir of energy used for reincarnation within an individual.

[north tundra]

I tried to explain but mentioning certain persone whose name starts with J is forbidden by bot))))

[olive storm]

Jay? Mistah Jay?

[stiff rock]

Is the interception fighting style any good after tier 1? I really love the idea of it but not sure if i'll be falling behind at later levels

[north tundra]

@gusty charm see)))

[olive storm]

As in the husbando of Harley Quinn?

[gusty charm]

Huh yeah I just got my message removed when I tried using a different term

[olive storm]

The Jorker?

[flint ledge]

Yeah uh no religion here that's why

[north tundra]

Let's call him mr. J. Sus

[gusty charm]

Fair enough

[olive storm]

Do you guys have time to hear about our lord and savior Shalim?

The lord of the void? The neverborn? Literally Shar but better?

[rough basalt]

Settings with magic restrictions narratively can make compelling stuff.

[olive storm]

Shalim is a World of Darkness creature whose cult preaches that it is better to feel nothing at all than to be happy and experience the trauma of losing that fleeting joy.

[humble cairn]

I mean overall wizards might not even be purposely trying to control all magic. There just happens to almost always be people who want to study and understand something in a systematic way, and the power of systematic thinking when applied to magic could just be that they spread their paradigm around and the more people who believe in it, the more true it becomes.

[reef tundra]

Oh don’t worry not all wizards are villainised in my setting

[rough basalt]

In my setting they're generally feared.

[reef tundra]

It was wizards that first learned that the god of magic did not in fact invent magic

-# Long story, can’t explain

[gusty charm]

Who did?

Oh okay sorry

[olive storm]

"Hey, lowly peasant. Toss this rock or I will throw a fireball at you."

"Did I control him with magic? Does that count as controlling magic?"

This is always the logic that frustrates me with the "mind control bad" mentality. Like all magic is potentially evil.

[flint ledge]

Can I interest you in hearing about our lord and savior baphomet

[olive storm]

Which... One?

[north tundra]

Dullahans as main characters are really underused and underrated. In every setting

I mean. The only really popular and famous are Selty from Durarara and horseman fron Sleepy Hollow

[reef tundra]

No one. It is a force of the natural world, it came before everything

[rough basalt]

It's cause Enchantment Magic is generally the most evil school when used evilly

[olive storm]

I know. Same with satyrs. They're quite literally GOATs.

[gusty charm]

Cool

[rough basalt]

Blowing someone up is evil, but it's not forcing them against their will to murder their own family

And they have to watch as they're murdering their own family and can't control their own body

[olive storm]

It is if you threaten to blow them up unless they do it.

[reef tundra]

I take a lot of inspiration from eastern myth. I find it more peaceful

[olive storm]

Same end result. Just different methodology.

[rough basalt]

Most would probably choose blowing up.

[flint ledge]

The one from the abyss

[olive storm]

He's cool but isn't he like a minotaur deity?

[rough basalt]

Mind control removes that choice and makes them have to watch it like a spectator.

[gusty charm]

Same, I also think it helps mix things up a little since players are used to games that are more based in Western culture

[olive storm]

I prefer Baphomets to be manipulative cult leaders like the IRL inspiration for Baphomet.

A seductive tempter.

[rough basalt]

MotM even says evil Enchantment wizards are the most evil wizards in the multiverse.

[flint ledge]

Not just Minotaurs!

[rough basalt]

Cause there's so much you can do with Enchantment and just get away with it.

[olive storm]

Choice is the ability to choose. There are many people who argue that threats are the same act of removing choice.

The notion that mind control is evil is like saying evocation is evil. Mind control can be used to ease traumatic memories in the same way that a fireball can burn a rotten forest.

[north tundra]

If I'm not mistaken in dnd Baphomet is demon, while his historical version is much nore like devils of Baator

[rough basalt]

You blow someone up with fireball there's very obvious proof.

[olive storm]

The only reason there is no proof is because the author says so.

[rough basalt]

And mind control can be used to start mass murders and nobody can explain why.

[olive storm]

Sure they can.

"They controlled me."

[tall valley]

I’m back, losers.

[olive storm]

Fireballs can leave no evidence when dead men tell no tales.

[rough basalt]

There's memory erasure spells

[north tundra]

Hi, Back

[olive storm]

They're meteor swarm.

[rough basalt]

Fireballs leave charred bodies and land

[olive storm]

How do we know it was a spell and not an act of nature?

[north tundra]

Divine intervention

[olive storm]

Like it's semantics.

[rough basalt]

Cause it leaves magical residue.

[flint ledge]

Hi back, I'm somebody!

[tall valley]

Lot of dad jokes here.

[olive storm]

No it doesn't. There is no mechanic in D&D for detecting magical residue of a spell that has already been cast.

And is no longer in effect.

[rough basalt]

Enchantment is the one school you can never get caught if you use it correctly

Since you make everyone else do the crimes for you

[olive storm]

So is evocation.

Dead men tell no tales.

[flint ledge]

Why are we arguing this

[olive storm]

Idk. I'm bored.

[rough basalt]

Cause I think they like Enchantment spells a little too much

[humble cairn]

Speak With Dead says hi.

[olive storm]

This would also work on mind control.

[rough basalt]

Modify memory.

If you can cast dominate person you can cast modify memory.

[humble cairn]

.. are you in the habit of killing suspects before interrogating them?

[olive storm]

So you're telling me that mind control, all mind control, is objectively evil because it has the potential to be misused on occasion and is harder to investigate?

So a sword of amnesia is instantly evil?

[rough basalt]

It's usually misused

[olive storm]

Not always.

It can be used for interrogations of criminals to compel honesty.

[humble cairn]

Many people find the loss of internal mental autonomy to be absolutely horrifying.

[rough basalt]

Zone of Truth is probably one of the only ethical Enchantment spells that force things on people.

[flint ledge]

Killing people before interrogation is generally not a good idea. The dead are under no obligation to answer truthfully or at all

[olive storm]

My guy we literally have spells to incinerate a 40-foot by 40-foot area.

Magic is pretty universally evil in the game about killing things.

[rough basalt]

I'd rather be blown up then forced to murder my own family against my will.

[olive storm]

Semantics.

[rough basalt]

It's not really semantics.

[humble cairn]

Different people find different things more or less terrifying/horrifying/evil seeming for different reasons. Let's not universalize our own personal biases.

[rough basalt]

If someone is gonna blow you up if you don't kill your family they're probably gonna kill you anyway.

So may as well blow up so you can still be with them in the afterlife.

[olive storm]

I'm just saying in Vampire: The Masquerade if you have the option of having your memory of the last ten minutes wiped to keep the secret that monsters exist, and you choose to instead be blown up by a fireball, you may have a misunderstanding of what your priorities should be.

[humble cairn]

This is not really an area where one person is right and another is wrong.

[humble cairn]

Nuh uh, let's not tell people what their priorities should be okay?

[olive storm]

I'm just saying that all magic can be misused and very few spells are objectively evil, and no entire school if objectively evil.

[rough basalt]

I'd still choose to be blown up by a fireball.

[olive storm]

I'd rather have a secret wiped from my memories than die for knowing it.

[rough basalt]

Cause if it's WoD there's like a likelihood that the Mage kills himself trying to fireball me without making the universe think he can.

[olive storm]

I said vampires. Let's not get into mage.

I don't have Discord nitro for that rant.

[rough basalt]

Same world ain't it?

[olive storm]

Yesn't,

[humble cairn]

Mmm ... you'd probably die first.

[olive storm]

Every game is its own timeline.

[rough basalt]

Ah well. Still better than being affected by mind control.

[humble cairn]

And that's a valid personal feeling to have.

[olive storm]

Like how Lupines don't commune with spirits but Garou do. Same creature, but from the vampires quantum perspective it works differently because WoD is weird.

[rough basalt]

Cause who knows what else they're gonna erase.

[olive storm]

Idk. I'm sorry for arguing. I was just trying to play devil's advocate but I can see how I came across as patronizing. I'm sorry.

In my setting the only magic that is allowed is life magic. This is because of the inherent bias of the dominant factions that any other kind of magic is harmful to the life > death > rebirth of the setting.

[rough basalt]

Necromancy actually isn't nearly as demonized as Enchantment is unsurprisingly.

In FR and other DnD settings for example Enchantment Magic is illegal in most societies.

[humble cairn]

Where?

I don't think there's a blanket ban on enchantment magic. It's not in the Code Legal of Waterdeep.

[olive storm]

However the dominant factions are exceedingly ignorant of their own bias. Elves and vampires possess no "essence" so magic is different for them. Elves cast magic purely through artifice and vampires use siphoned quantities of essence to do magic very sparingly.

Yeah like I don't think that is true...

It certainly isn't in Eberron and Dark Sun.

[rough basalt]

Looks like I misremembered. There's places with blanket bans on arcane magic

And Enchantment is a big reason.

[olive storm]

Yeah but that's all magic.

[rough basalt]

One bad apple ruins the patch kinda thing

I know Waterdeep does consider it's use illegal depending on its use tho

Like if you use Dominate Person or anything of the like and get caught, you're donezo

[olive storm]

Pretty sure enchantment is never cited as the specific reason as much as summoning devils and whatnot.

[rough basalt]

They consider it akin to assault at the very least.

[glass granite]

I wonder how much shenanigans the spell Suggestion could do if it was used for crime…

[olive storm]

In Thrayn in Eberron, necromancy is illegal and all magic other than divine magic is heavily stigmatized. In Karnath, magic is pretty universally hated by the Russian martial nation. However in Zilargo enchantment is favored over evocation because it solves conflict without violence when used well.

[humble cairn]

Right, but not Enchantment specifically. It's just magic used to commit a crime or against a Noble or Magistrate or Lord.

[errant crag]

I should play a Tiger Leonin

[rough basalt]

Ah

[olive storm]

Gnomes hate violence in Eberron because they lose nearly every physical conflict they get into. So enchantment is a way to resolve conflict without physical force, which is heavily stigmatized.

[rough basalt]

In my setting it's a death penalty offense in most places unless it's a "justifiable use"

[olive storm]

Also wouldn't Illusion magic also classify as evil under your logic? If I make a man hallucinate that his family was killed by his brother, and he kills his brother, doesn't that create the same situation where there is no evidence that magic was used?

[errant crag]

RIP people wanting to play glamour Bard or enchantment Wizard or order cleric or Archfey Warlock

[olive storm]

Also unlike Enchantment, Illusion magic directly affects the senses and can thus be used for torture. And let's not forget illusion being used for direct harm with Illusory Dragon.

[humble cairn]

The uhhh .... oh yeah, Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors is the mage guild that monitors magic use in Waterdeep. If you are a magic user you basically have to register with them and they make sure people follow the laws and don't commit crimes with magic.

[olive storm]

Brb.

[rough basalt]

Well that kinda falls apart if you touch the illusion at all

[olive storm]

No, illusory dragon literally harms people psychically.

If you touch it, you can't pass through it.

[rough basalt]

Isn't that a Dragon tho?

[olive storm]

And there's the fact of making people hallucinate pain.

[glass granite]

And phantasmal force

[olive storm]

Brb

[rough basalt]

Well the argument was making a man hallucinate his family being killed by his brother not a ghostlike thing attacking them or a force throwing stuff at them.

[humble cairn]

Specifically Enchantment magic? Or any magic? Does this include Bless?

[rough basalt]

A specific illusion would be like an Image spell wouldn't it.

[rough basalt]

Specifically Enchantment that takes away free will.

Much of the world's destruction was cause the entire magic country was basically mind controlled to start a war of aggression that led to the world's current state.

So people never want that to happen again.

[humble cairn]

How do people feel about Calm Emotions?

[rough basalt]

It usually falls under justifiable use, tho it does often lead to more issues.

Unless you're using calm emotions to make someone calm after killing their family or something so they don't run off to the guards. Tho in that case you'd probably use Charm Person

If you can make an argument that you used mind altering enchantmenrs for good and the evidence supports it, you'll generally be alright

Tho people will lose trust in you.

[olive storm]

I'm back. I need you to not make the very, very naive assumption that any illusionist can only create illusions that affect sight and sound and not touch.

[rough basalt]

Well if I'm seeing a Dragon killing them, why would I see my brother killing them too?

[olive storm]

But I digress. It's your setting, I'm just trying to critique it. I'm sorry if I'm being rude.

[olive storm]

These were two separate counterpoints:

Counterpoint 1: Illusion magic also creates situations where someone is robbed of their agency and compelled to do horrible things I.E. a man is forced to witness an illusion of his brother killing his family and goes on a quest to kill his brother in revenge.

Counterpoint 2: Illusion magic has far more potential for violence than Enchantment magic due to their being entire spells meant to kill people using illusions. I.E. a spell that conjures an illusory dragon that does psychic damage which can kill people.

[rough basalt]

Ah I thought you were saying illusion spells that have specific forms can be twisted.

I can see that, but there's at least free will to potentially stop things from happening.

If you see the illusion you might be able to get some sense knocked into you and listen but Enchantment you're gonna kill your brother, ain't nothing stopping you except him killing you.

[olive storm]

This feels like a very subjective thing. I just wanted to provide some constructive feedback.

Guys do you wanna hear about my setting?

[rough basalt]

It's like using a knife to kill someone vs a gun. Will a knife work? Absolutely. Can someone potentially disarm your knife or survive your stab wounds? Absolutely.
A gun, you can just keep firing till they stop moving. It's an absolute surefire way of handling what you're setting out to do.
In this metaphor, Illusion is the knife, Enchantment is the gun.

[olive storm]

BRB! Gotta do a patrol of the building.

And I'm back!

[olive storm]

But your criticism of enchantment is that it removed the agency of the individual. So would magic used to create a motive for murder.

A gun can be disarmed as well.

Like... That doesn't really make sense.

[rough basalt]

Yeah but that relies on the shooter letting their agency make them make mistakes. Without agency as a puppet, they'll just do what their ordered.

[olive storm]

I'mma be honest I'm not beating a guy with a knife who makes no mistakes but I feel we're getting off track.

[rough basalt]

Unless the puppet master is an idiot which a Wizard probably isn't.

[olive storm]

I definitely see where you are coming but classifying something as objectively evil because of a subjective ability to be misused is kind of strange.

[rough basalt]

It's margin for error vs no margin for error basically

[olive storm]

I would classify something objectively evil as something that is purely anathema to intelligent life with no chance to be used for good.

[rough basalt]

A puppet will do what it's puppet master does.
An emotionally distraught person is unpredictable.

[olive storm]

Enchantment has uses that are humane. Does it deserve strict regulation? Yes. However should it be completely outlawed? Not really.

Like is necromancy as in animating undead also outlawed?

[rough basalt]

Some places yeah

[olive storm]

However the friends cantrip can be used to help with interrogations without resorting to sleep deprivation, forced confession, bullying, etc.

[rough basalt]

That'd be a "sanctioned" use if used officially.

[olive storm]

Okay, so it's only outlawed to the general public?

[rough basalt]

You need a license basically

[olive storm]

Ohhh that makes more sense. I thought you were saying the entire school was illegal entirely for everyone.

[molten glade]

There are probably a couple necromancy spells that can have good uses, false life for example

[olive storm]

Yeah.

[rough basalt]

Nah just stuff like charm/dominate person will usually lead to the gallows

[olive storm]

Use false life to make a surgery patient survive an invasive surgery that could save their life.

Yeesh. A deathly hanging is kind of much for a 1st-level spell. Is this intended to be a dark fantasy setting?

[rough basalt]

Notably these extra harsh laws are in one country.

[olive storm]

Oh okay.

[rough basalt]

Where their patron deity is the God of Free Will

So they see the removal of free will as possibly the most evil act one can commit

[olive storm]

That makes sense. Personal bias and whatnot.

[molten glade]

I'd imagine you'd want to charge them with whatever act(s) you made the charmed person do

[rough basalt]

Yep all of it gets pinned on them

[olive storm]

Yeah that sounds like a good metric.

[rough basalt]

Some countries basically remove their ability to use magic instead as a response to magic crime.

Tho given what happens to evil spellcasters in the underworld. I'd say the ones who get their ability to use magic removed are the ones better off than the ones who are just executed

They usually get thrown into an infinite loop of suffering related to the magic they specialized in.

Like an Evil Evoker will be the shopkeeper that the murderhobo Wizard fireballs for not giving him an item for free.

[humble cairn]

For people who view personal mental autonomy as a fundamental right, the removal of such can feel like the most horrible and violating thing you can do to someone.

[rough basalt]

Necromancy is one of those hardly enforced laws ones mainly just because of potential disease spreading. If you do it away from towns, or properly dispose of the corpses, nobody cares.

[olive storm]

No, I understand that. It's just that the ethics debate for magic is often heavily biased. So I was trying to show what I felt could be seen as fallacies in the worldbuilding.

[errant crag]

I view mind control and the like as evil but also feel there are times where it can be used for good

[rough basalt]

As a person it's just something that bothers me in fantasy.

[errant crag]

I feel it can be used for good but when its used for evil then its really evil

[rough basalt]

Yeah MotM says so as well

[errant crag]

Like I'd rather you kill me and animate my corpse than mentally enthrall me and make me do horrific things for your bidding

[rough basalt]

Like MotM puts it the best

[humble cairn]

I'm not sure everyone was quite signing up for a debate on their own personal views.

[olive storm]

In VtM the "Dominate" discipline's first power is the ability to make someone forget the last ten minutes they experienced. This is really useful because when your options are kill any humans who know that vampires exist, and just mildly amnestic them, it becomes really obvious what is the most humane.

[rough basalt]

"Enchanters know how to magically influence minds. Benign enchanters use this magic to defuse violence and sow peace, while malevolent enchanters are some of the most evil of all spellcasters."

[olive storm]

Yeah sorry, I should have been more reserved in starting a debate.

[errant crag]

I think "Enchantment" is broad enough a school that I would say Enchantment inherently is not evil, but instead that things like mind controlling people and Dominating them or magically coercing them into bad things is evil

[olive storm]

I don't even have an excuse I was just idly chatting and it got out of hand.

It was a perfectly respectful debate tho.

[errant crag]

Like there's a lot of necromancy I'd call evil but not something like False Life

[olive storm]

Like, I hope, nobody is angry for the most part.

[rough basalt]

It's kinda why I like the "School specialization" in 3.5e I recently found out due to trying it out

[icy bone]

When you cant decide
Dragonborn oath of zeal paladin
Or dragonborn eldtrich knight

Oof

[errant crag]

I played a heroic Enchantment Wizard he was great his death was very tragic

[rough basalt]

I can be rewarded by completely rendering my ability to use enchantments and necromancy inert lol which makes me feel better as a player cause iirc in older editions Necromancy would bind the person's soul to their corpse.

[olive storm]

But necromancy is so chill!

[errant crag]

I like the wizard subclasses being focused around different schools of magic

That's something thats very satisfying to me

[olive storm]

How else am I gonna do a sick dance lineup! It's practically killer!

[rough basalt]

Where as in 5e it's just recycling.

[icy bone]

I cant decide which one though if I were to create oath of zeal dragonborn I be creating an arbiter

[rough basalt]

Can't wait to play my Transmuter Wizard in 3.5

[frosty fulcrum]

what's a underrated class in like the main general classes?

[flint ledge]

Probably monk

[glass granite]

Monk!

[rough basalt]

Monk is a contender yeah

Went from mediocre to absolute pain train

[humble cairn]

Well if you consider all the negative hype on the internet, Ranger is probably it.

People love to hate on Ranger for some reason and it's not deserved.

[rough basalt]

Easy clicks/engagement

[icy bone]

@humble cairn would you choose dragonborn eldtrich knight or dragonborn oath of zeal paladin

[humble cairn]

Path of Zeal Paladin? Do you mean a Zealot Barbarian?

[icy bone]

I meant oath

My.bad

[humble cairn]

I don't know that Oath.

[icy bone]

Ah ok nvmind then

[icy bone]

What does zealot do

[humble cairn]

Path of the Zealot Barbarian does radiant damage while raging and can heal themselves. Theya re very hard to kill.

[icy bone]

Trying to see if I could create an arbiter using only 1 class and using the race dragonborn

How many spells does it have

[humble cairn]

Zealot Barb doesn't cast spells at all.

[humble cairn]

Describe what you mean by "Arbiter?"

[icy bone]

🤔🤔🤔hmm .

Hard to explain

[humble cairn]

A little bit about the themes and then the play style you're after.

[humble cairn]

This whole game is about using your words to describe your character and powers, so better get some practice.

[icy bone]

Lol if not back to the drawing board

[humble cairn]

So .. Arbiter? What do you mean by that and how do you want it to play?

[severe rampart]

I am also curious about the thought process

what is an "Arbiter"?

[undone rain]

We love rangers here

[reef tundra]

It’s honestly just the negative minority being vocal, I believe

[severe rampart]

Rangers are fine, it's fun

[humble cairn]

Rangers are fine and fun, the question of what is the most underrated class came up, though. And I feel all the internet hate counts as rating.

[icy bone]

There's alot of meaning to the word in google,wuwa games, manhwa like sss grand saint knight so many to be honest I would just say nvmind on the topic

[reef tundra]

Because the majority of people enjoying the game are likely just enjoying it in privacy and not wanting to go online and be mad

[flint ledge]

I think I just had an error message in my brain

[humble cairn]

Try? Summarize the themes in one sentence and the intended gameplay in another?

[limber trail]

a sick as hell alien

[severe rampart]

Mhm, honestly it's all just a matter of preference, some try to shove their opinions down the newbies which then leads to them not trying rangers

[glass granite]

Going from the definition of the word, a judge who settles a final authority on a matter.
However, the manhwa part of my brain is remembering something

[severe rampart]

Like me, my least favorite class is the Artificer, though I know a lot of folks who like using it

[still plover]

It's a Halo thing, right?

[limber trail]

There's a halo thing called The Arbiter

[severe rampart]

That... doesn't narrow it down

What do you mean "on par with a divine"?

do you mean with gods in D&D? if so that's like... impossible even at level 20

[icy bone]

I would say just look it up

[glass granite]

I don’t think looking it up helps all too much

[severe rampart]

Yeah I did. "a person with power to decide a dispute : judge"

[undone rain]

They get beast master, enough said. Who dosent want a little animal companion

[severe rampart]

That isn't a build, nor does that answer the playstyle.

[icy bone]

Well that's why I said nevermind try looking up wuwa arbiter meaning

[humble cairn]

That word has a general meaning and has been used in so many things that I'm going to get a whole lot of nothing useful. If you want to create characters you're going to have to put in some of the work here,

[undone rain]

I still have my goblin ranger beast master in the back of my head

[glass granite]

Basically, someone who has high amounts of Authority

[undone rain]

Having their little worg

[severe rampart]

Telling people to "look it up" when trying to explain something and having it be completely unrelated to the topic is just annoying, tbh.

[reef tundra]

Keith David my boy

[limber trail]

guys my players are locked in this is some S tier roleplay going on

[icy bone]

Im cutting off that subject

[undone rain]

Hell yeah

[severe rampart]

That's great

[limber trail]

They're arguing over whether they should be trying to kill, arrest, or wipe the memory of an enemy of the party

[icy bone]

Next project that could work
Dragonborn eldtrich knight

[limber trail]

compelling as hell arguments on all sides

[icy bone]

Though I cant be eldtrich knight again

[severe rampart]

Amazing roleplay topic

[humble cairn]

I mean to be honest, it doesn't make me want to help you in the future if you just push all the work of thinking onto me.

[limber trail]

I didn't even prompt this they just talk about this stuff they truly take everything i touch and turn it to hold it's so good

this is a genuinely heartbreaking discussion

[icy bone]

Well my bad

[severe rampart]

Everyone locked in for the roleplay!

[icy bone]

I've been. A dhamphir eldtrich knight but now a dragonborn

Oof

Someone save me from the cycle of eldtrich knights

[severe rampart]

I mean, that build seems 1000% simpler than what an "arbiter" is

[icy bone]

It was my first option

[severe rampart]

No one's stopping you from playing an Eldritch Knight

play what you want to play

[frosty fulcrum]

I really want to try and play a campaign but at the same time I know I would be lost and mess things up

[icy bone]

Sora (kingdom hearts )-just follow your heart

[gusty charm]

Wdym? Like you think you’d be asking too many questions?

[frosty fulcrum]

Yeah or maybe I do "too much"

[gusty charm]

No player is perfect, a good DM will appreciate effort. And absolutely no one has all the rules and stats memorized

[flint ledge]

Listen, don't worry about what you might do wrong

Also don't feed the gif dragon, he's on a diet

[gusty charm]

Yes, plan to do right

[frosty fulcrum]

I didn't know that

[icy bone]

Now that I I finally found some interest in dnd tattoos cant wait to try it out

[frosty fulcrum]

the main thing is to have fun. right?

[flint ledge]

Exactly

[gusty charm]

Yeah have fun and let others have fun. Not too hard

[icy bone]

Yeah imagine you're a cast of stranger things playing dnd you got this

[frosty fulcrum]

although I'm not the type of person to be confidently find a campaign and invite myself in

[severe rampart]

that's why you apply

[inner silo]

I feel like as a dm, making a session fun for your players isn't as difficult as making a session fun for them and for you

[gusty charm]

Some online ones hold “interviews”. Maybe in person too

But we like new players! We want to help!

[gusty charm]

True words

[humble cairn]

I hung around in #character-discussion for two years or so just making friends and helping people and then I was invited to a game and have been having a blast.

[severe rampart]

Some more than others, you should at least read the basic rules first

[inner silo]

It's part of the process. I had to cycle through two different characters before truly finding something i like

[gusty charm]

Yeah definitely at least try to grasp the rules, but as long as you’re making an effort the DM or other players should be willing to help

[icy bone]

They say that whatever character you make in dnd will be you in another life or great great ancestor oh wait wrong thing

[gusty charm]

Do they though?

Lmao

[severe rampart]

Never heard of that saying.

[flint ledge]

I would hope not

[severe rampart]

oh god I hope not

[inner silo]

The players in my campaign haven't read them cuz english is hard and there's no translations yet and it's been a bit difficult. I think I'll just translate the rule myself atp

[frosty fulcrum]

my character is just a single lamp shining down on nothing. My imaginary character sheet: blowing off the dust off the sheet

[still plover]

Roll a skill, make an attack, your character's spells and features, keep the list of combat actions to hand.

Then you're ready to play. Listen to what's going on, ask questions when needed, have a bit of fun. Despite the famous phrase you don't die for real if you die in the game.

[severe rampart]

Wait... you don't? I've been killing all my players

[inner silo]

List of combat actions is so goated for new players tbh

[flint ledge]

Listen, easiest character ever to get into, human fighter. No matter how many people hate on it

[gusty charm]

I kill my players fr if they die in the game. Consequences of their actions ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty charm]

Lmao

[frosty fulcrum]

I can see why. Sounds basic ._. no offence

[severe rampart]

Basic doesn't mean bad.

[gusty charm]

Basic can be good!

[flint ledge]

It is basic

[still plover]

Class is a bundle of features. Character is what you make it.

[icy bone]

You can even be a stick bug

[flint ledge]

That is debatable

[empty imp]

@pliant sapphire @reef tundra thanks for resilient con feedback for bless!

[inner silo]

Yeah. Tbh human fighter can be just as basic and as complex as you make them. It's probably the most versatile combination because either can be do many things

[inner silo]

Humanoid stick bug at least. There's a species of humanoid ants iirc

[flint ledge]

Sorry should have clarified champion fighter

[icy bone]

I never knew

[empty imp]

Gnome fighter with resilient dex is neat to have a perk for each save , with champion kind of tanky

[still plover]

Heck, I could even see the most boring fighter as a fun character. They adventure to try and reawaken their sense of wonder and find meaningful connections.

[inner silo]

Champion fighter is probably the second most free subclass for flavour and such

[flint ledge]

What books are you reading to get these species cracker

[icy bone]

Dragonborn do they have human faces or scaly faces

[inner silo]

I don't remember but i know it exists

[severe rampart]

Flavor is Free

[flint ledge]

I haven't once in my life heard of a playable ant species

[empty imp]

I just wish sword and board fighters had as much usefulness as gwm, dwf or pam or shillelagh. Their damage doesnt scale enough unless you have good gear

[frosty fulcrum]

tbh I could create a character. it just depends on dm's approval. but also either they allow other species/classes from outside d&d?

[icy bone]

True

[inner silo]

They're bug people

[flint ledge]

I guess you could argue Thri Kreen to be ants

[inner silo]

Yeah those guys

[severe rampart]

Formians?

[still plover]

Wouldn't bet on it. Start with the free rules, get used to the process first.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, Formians

[frosty fulcrum]

so the basic player's handbook then

[inner silo]

Basically first find a group, i think the dm will be able to help you create a character if needed or at least give the general tone of the campaign to wrap the character around

[still plover]

Sure. Rare is the game that restricts the free content (although not unknown).

[icy bone]

Whats cracker backwards can you pronounce it in the name of dnd

[inner silo]

rekcarC?

[icy bone]

Thanks

[inner silo]

Is this like a swear word in another language?

[icy bone]

No

Its not

[inner silo]

Oki, good

[icy bone]

Just curiosity

[idle oar]

Let’s be careful here as cracker can be used as a slur in certain contexts and this would not be appropriate for our server

But back to D&D

[frosty fulcrum]

at this point. I would just be a human ranger. playing mix and match is dizzy-ish

[idle oar]

Nice! One of my kids loves to play a ranger

Get a decent mix of martial fighting and magic casting

[frosty fulcrum]

either go long range or tank(?)

[idle oar]

Mix - you’ll want ranged attacks and close combat stuff as well

Rangers are not for tanking but can be good at pinning enemies down with some of their abilities/spells.

Anyway hope you have fun with your ranger character!

[hoary totem]

If a wizard takes the magic initiate feat (wiz), do you add the first level spell to your book and can you cast it with your own slots?

[hoary totem]

Never let anyone ever tell you rangers suck. They might not be the most optimised but 99% of the time DnD groups are just here to have fun.

[idle oar]

Oh I know that very well! My kid’s ranger character has been amazingly fun in game for them (and deadly for the monsters I’ve thrown at them lol)

[hoary totem]

Subclass?

[frosty fulcrum]

If only I can be a human artificer. Artificer sounds cool being a tinkerer

[hoary totem]

Artificers are complicated but when you understand the mechanics they're one hell of a good time

[humble cairn]

Yes, if you're new I would stay away from multiclassing entirely. And Ranger is a great pick, though "tanking" isn't really a thing in D&D.

[hoary totem]

Unless you're in a minmax-heavy campaign or have an actual lore reason for your character going into another class, I'd stay away from multiclassing.

[frosty fulcrum]

got it. I'll stay away from it until I can get used to it

[hoary totem]

Artificer is weird because when you think about half casters, you almost always assume it's half caster plus half martial. Artificers are also half casters, but the other half is... just completely whack

You do get better martial stuff if you pick armourer or battlesmith, but it doesn't come with the base class

[humble cairn]

The other half comes almost entirely from the subclass.

Artificer is a Support based Half Caster with extremely impactful subclass choices.

[hoary totem]

Artificers are fun. Just that it's half caster and half "whatever the heck this is". It's very different from other classes

[hot gate]

I recently got to try the cartographer subclass and it felt very unique. Artificer is like warlock when it comes to selecting magic items, it feels a bit like "assemble your own class". I loved it

[hoary totem]

Cartographer is when all the PTSD from my geography lessons before I got to choose my school subjects floods back

[nimble isle]

~15 iirc. Was a hot minute since I saw but I recall the 25 was from him stacking mage armor with near max Dex plus blade song plus cloak of protection plus shield spell

[tacit halo]

Ah so 15 Ac? Yea hed be scared

Spellslinger (Gunslinger Subclass) lvl 10 gets an ability that just allows all ranged attacks to Ignore/Bypass all Magical defenses (i.e Mage Armor, Shield , Magic Items/Armor)

[nimble isle]

Which is something I think should be more common. AC from magical boosts or nimbleness should have some different properties than armor in my opinion.

The shield spell especially to me feels very busted in some ways considering five AC is very generous and unlike most reaction abilities, it lasts a whole round instead of just a single attack.

Part of 5e's problem of casters overshadowing martials is there's just too many ways for casters to have as much if not more AC than martials, especially given they pretty much only need dexterity to do that and can totally ignore Strength and Constitution (which in itself makes strength being underpowered or underutilized even more noticeable)

[tacit halo]

I mean technically the Spellslinger is a ⅓ Caster Itself

I mean i think since the whole class is more wild west than fantasy based its meant to be counters to other Spellslingers

As some of the subclass abilities are directly targeted at countering Casters

[nimble isle]

Which I think is perfectly fine given the core class. 1/3 casters are actually some of my favorites subclasses given the utility

[sleek cloud]

Spellcasters should never ignore con, nobody should ever ignore con

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

True or False: Temporary hit points stack from multiple sources if they’re different features.

[hot gate]

Are you a bot? Just curious

Also, no they don't stack

[wicked mulch]

Negative. I'm a Paladin.

[hot gate]

I only saw you doing these questions, but they're definitely fun

[wicked mulch]

I took an oath to my order that I would do a question of the day on Discord Mondays thru Fridays until the new rule set was internalized.

[frosty fulcrum]

I cast. Toe stub on a very pointed table leg

[hot gate]

I cast thoughts and prayers for the targeted toe.

[woven flint]

I cast
Song you hate gets stuck in your head!

[viral kraken]

i hate to tell you, but people still don't learn the rules even by 3030

[paper portal]

Too late I already get songs I like stuck in my head first

[frosty fulcrum]

lego movie ref

[umbral girder]

I cast “aware you are wasting time on your phone”

[paper portal]

Yeah the people in this server are largely the few that do know the rules

[tacit halo]

False

Learned that the hard way

[paper portal]

I'm on my laptop >:3

[woven flint]

I'm already aware
And don't care 😎

[paper portal]

I do have a uni assessment due tmrw I haven't started on but it's late so idk if I'm bothered to care

I should check if I can use the shower

[umbral girder]

I cast “now you do”

[wicked mulch]

Ultimately, I do these to learn from all of YOU. Each question is a starting point and always generates all sorts of interesting edge case and nuances.

[woven flint]

Counterspell!

[wicked mulch]

Reminds me that RPGs are organic, communal activities.

[hot gate]

Oh yeah that's definitely true. A lot of questions don't always have a clear answer. Todays question is an exception

[boreal prism]

Hello

[spring light]

howdy

Oh, welcome to the server

[boreal prism]

Thank you

I've written a pirate themed session

[spring light]

a classic

[hot gate]

Probably something like a giant eagle. Depends on the abilities that let you transform though!

[boreal prism]

With some irl aspects

[spring light]

like players will need to wear pirate costumes?

[boreal prism]

No, swabing the deck is to protect the ship from rain water, that kind of thing

[spring light]

oh so some in game activities, that makes sense...

unless you're gonna make them actually mop your house?

[viral kraken]

"okay today we are larping the quest to clean up the npcs house to get them to tell us about the amulet"

[boreal prism]

Nah

But I might include the head's part of a ship

[gusty charm]

Players, I need you to clean my room. Yes it’s for the game.

[spring light]

"I can't tell you about the amulet until we find the note that I wrote the details on. You're gonna have to help me clean this place up to find it"

[viral kraken]

as dm i cannot meddle in the cleaning myself naturally

[spring light]

I only set the situation, it's up to you to solve this however you want, but know that if you mess up the "npc's" room more he won't help you.

[undone rain]

"You get charmed into cleaning my room woooooo"

[errant whale]

chaotic evil

bbeg level worthy

[frosty fulcrum]

is it weird to have a human barbarian but with a personality of quiet and somewhat mysterious?

[humble cairn]

Not at all

[frosty fulcrum]

cause ngl I may be taking inspo from frieren because dnd reminded me about that show

[humble cairn]

Makes sense. Frieren is D&D inspired.

[undone rain]

Course not, not all barbarians have to be the strong and stupid type

[humble cairn]

If you want help with that character, there's the #character-discussion channel!

[woven flint]

Barbarians don't have to be loud and brutish
It's just a class stereotype

[undone rain]

Why did i read that as british

[frosty fulcrum]

ah okay still getting used to navigating the channels here. sorry

[fossil shuttle]

Because it's roughly the same thing?

[flint ledge]

One day surely I'll be able to run a Frieren inspired campaign... Surely...

[undone rain]

Im gonna make a zealot barbarian, that would be fun

[frosty fulcrum]

dibs on stark. kidding

[fossil shuttle]

I still wanna know why Zealot gets to fly and revive people

[gusty charm]

Friren💕

[woven flint]

Because it's awesome?

[undone rain]

Their simply that divine

[errant whale]

they're basically a very angry angel or maybe devil?

[undone rain]

Perhaps i can make one a selunite zealot

[fossil shuttle]

It's a barbarian, I fear a situation where they need to be a healer

[woven flint]

I mean... Monk has a healer subclass.

[fossil shuttle]

That also has a feature called Hands of Harm, and that's still not that much healing

[undone rain]

Paladins also heal and their quite tanky too

[woven flint]

And the Zealot Barb still does barb things, your point?

[fossil shuttle]

The point is that they can revive someone as a reaction

[undone rain]

If paladins get to heal, why not barbs

[woven flint]

Mercy Monk can ALSO revive people.

[flint ledge]

Well cause barbarians get their powers differently than paladins

[undone rain]

That may be true, but that dosent change the fact that they should be allowed to heal people

[woven flint]

Zealot Barbarians aren't a healer subclass through and through, they literally only have the capability to heal themselves until level 14 when they CAN revive someone

[flint ledge]

Also paladins are half casters which is the mechanical reason

[still plover]

Could you elaborate on your reasoning here?

[undone rain]

In a minute, im walkin home rn

[night scaffold]

Barbarian halves incoming damage, so basically they heal half of the taken damage

[woven flint]

What?

[flint ledge]

For BPS

[night scaffold]

Basically the same thing unless they mean healing others

[woven flint]

That's not the same thing

[severe rampart]

I think they're referring to Paladin's "Lay on hands"

[glass granite]

They also only resist like, three damage types

[still plover]

I could see a barbarian with their rage flavoured as a regenerative surge, but.

[woven flint]

Resisting Damage and healing are nowhere near the same thing
You're just taking less damage

[flint ledge]

The 3 most common ones to be fair

[severe rampart]

which yeah, would be able to use on others and not just on themselves

[glass granite]

True, but three nonetheless

[humble cairn]

Resisting damage is better then healing it.

[severe rampart]

wait I thought Barbarians are resistant to every damage type (except psychic) when raging?

[humble cairn]

Nope

[glass granite]

That’s Totem Bear Barb

[flint ledge]

Nope, sorry echo

[severe rampart]

Ohh thanks Nugget!

[night scaffold]

Paladins undo damage and Barbarians incentivise them being hit by having like a lot of HP and the free advantage against them

[humble cairn]

And the old one, at that.

[woven flint]

Old Bear Totem Barbarian

[night scaffold]

So ultimately they're just two different tank types

[severe rampart]

Yeah I thought I was going insane for a minute

[glass granite]

It’s not called Totem anymore is it?

[feral fulcrum]

To be fair, Totem Barb was common as dirt

[woven flint]

It's Wildheart now

[feral fulcrum]

Because it was uh...unbalanced.

[humble cairn]

Oh right .. uhhh, WildHeart

[severe rampart]

Paladins "undo" damage?

[night scaffold]

By healing

[glass granite]

They heal, so pretty much undo

[severe rampart]

There's really no definitive "tanking" in D&D

[feral fulcrum]

Lay On Hands.

[flint ledge]

Probably because of said resistances

[woven flint]

The best way to "Tank" is to kill something quickly in D&D 🧐

[glass granite]

Tbf, barbarians don’t often have a great way to draw aggro (not many classes do) so there’s not the most incentive to hit them for smart enemies

[rapid grove]

Totem Barbarian wasn't that unbalanced in comparison to some of the alternative martials that exist; and even then the best way to mitigate damage is to outpace/outperform the opponent before they can get a chance to react.

[severe rampart]

Yeah I know, still, never heard of healing being refered to as "undoing damage"

[woven flint]

The Chad Battlemaster and Goading Attack

[night scaffold]

Well they incentivise them being hit as well as triggering like every attack of opportunity across the battlefield (at least until the DM wises up)

[woven flint]

I love using Goading Attack, it's fun

[still plover]

Barbarian shimmies up to the boss to give them a kicking. "Protect me, you fools!" the baddie cries. Minions swarm in. Seems legit.

[feral fulcrum]

Even that isn't really a taunt

[humble cairn]

"Tanking" would be Control of enemies and Support of allies. And I do think Grappling 2024 makes it closer to real, I just haven't had the chance to test it out yet.

[night scaffold]

Oh yeah the grappling thing is huge

[glass granite]

I think oath of the crown is my favourite “tank” in dnd

[feral fulcrum]

5E doesn't really do Taunts or thinks that make Tanking really a thing.

[woven flint]

Functionally
Yeah, it is.
It doesn't incentivize hitting you, but it makes hitting an ally less appealing with disadvantage

[still plover]

Marking the bingo card...

[severe rampart]

it's great, I already got two bingos

[feral fulcrum]

Because the enemies can just...ignore it and hit other, more obviously dangerous targets.

[glass granite]

They have ‘soft’ taunts, cuz they can incentivise hitting you more than allies, but it’s almost never forced

[severe rampart]

yesterday's AI talk and the "ranger" talk again boosted it

[feral fulcrum]

Are you gonna focus on the idiot going "COME AT ME BRO! Nerd! Stinky!" Or are you going to stab the Wizard who just exploded you with Fireball?

[woven flint]

If we want to get technical....
Just use Mark of Sentinel, when someone is within 5 feet of you and gets hit with an attack roll, you can use your reaction to swap places and take the hit for them

[night scaffold]

Barbarian who is just into stand up comedy and just makes people watch his jokes

[still plover]

You say you want to tank in D&D, I'm not going to get into it, I'm going to offer something durable.

[flint ledge]

The DM has the ability to hit the "tanks", which they definitely should! Not just them but hit them a little more than the others

[woven flint]

My Warforged Pugilist has this 🧐
He's also immune to crits!

[severe rampart]

Adamantine Armor?

[feral fulcrum]

That's one of the Eberon feats, yeah?

[woven flint]

Juggernaut Plating from Exploring Eberron
It's a warforged specific feat

[severe rampart]

Oohh

[woven flint]

Hell yea

Also, we can't forget crown paladin taking damage for its allies too!

[feral fulcrum]

I'm still mad that Paladin capstones still kind of suck

[woven flint]

I like the idea of taking hits for your ally admittedly
But unless you've got good hp It's rough lol

[night scaffold]

Paladin capstone let them nova if they want

[glass granite]

I like them cuz they’re EXTREMELY cool thematically for my favourite ones

[umbral girder]

That the level 20 power up ability the got right?

[humble cairn]

Slightly harder to ignore the combination of hard and soft control that the Grappled condition represents.

[severe rampart]

I wonder what's the most HP you can get in D&D

[umbral girder]

From their subclass

[severe rampart]

minus temp hp

[umbral girder]

At least 2

[severe rampart]

Aye, a good pick a good pick

[woven flint]

Warding Bond is probably simultaneously both the best and worst option for tanking for your ally.. though, you're just halving damage they take and taking the other half

I mean
So long as you have HP, it's fine, I s'ppose

[humble cairn]

Dwarf Barbarian with the Tough Feat is probably pretty beefy.

[glad arch]

Less then 20k

[umbral girder]

Probably a Dwarf with the tough feat, Barbarian max rolls, the boon of fortitude, 30 con, and getting that lucky 1% chance to boost max ho from mixing each of the 4 healing potions.

Finally Aid and Heroes feast

[woven flint]

I've played a level 20 one..
I had over 400 hp

[glad arch]

Pwk is childs play to you

[woven flint]

I also took the boon of fortitude for more HP lol

[severe rampart]

Plugs ears I'm sorry, what?

[woven flint]

I think he had...
425 hp in total?

[glad arch]

Gotta commit to the bit

[flint ledge]

To be fair from what I recall off the top of my head, none of the capstone features are all that amazing no?

[umbral girder]

“Neat words magic man.”

[glass granite]

Off the top of my head, max rolls level 20 dwarf barbarian with tough is 22x20 so…440.
And I’m sure you can do better

[severe rampart]

in 2 hours gonna be playing my Oath of The Ancients Paladin again

[woven flint]

Huh..
I might've had more then

Tonight I'm playing more of my Tortle Cleric 🧐

[feral fulcrum]

In 2014 I think like 2 were generally good, the rest were meh or outright "This is the good one, but you know, made crap!"

[woven flint]

He's OLD!

[feral fulcrum]

And 2024 has the SAME problem!

[flint ledge]

Do Dwarves still have the extra hp in 24?

[severe rampart]

I should stop saying to my DMs "Do your worst" last session I nearly got to half hp from one attack alone

[woven flint]

Yes

[glass granite]

Yup, dwarven toughness

[gusty charm]

You asked for it😂

[feral fulcrum]

"Yeah basically everyone gets 60 foot flying and hover, something that triggers in their aura range, and generally doesn't matter."

Behold, 5 automatic Radiant damage a turn!

[severe rampart]

I play Bards! playing a Paladin makes me feel powerful

[feral fulcrum]

Truly...a tide turner...

[woven flint]

My Warforged Pugilist got jumped last session.
He was dragged upstairs into a room with like.. 5 people by a creature with a 15 foot grapple range 💀

He survived though

And kicked ass

First time I used "Bloodied but Unbowed"

[flint ledge]

Reminds me of one of my players, rolled insane stats and was pretty confident. Enter Allosaurus encounter absolutely bodying him within the first round

[woven flint]

The party had to chase me because I was dragged up two sets of stairs

[severe rampart]

my stats weren't even good 😭

It's fine, I'll lock in for the session

oh yeah and in two days I'll be pitting my Battlemaster PC against a Mini Boss Battlemaster in a 1v1

[woven flint]

Friday I
HOPEFULLY...
finally get to play my Firbolg Moon Bard

[gusty charm]

Ooo good luck

[woven flint]

He plays a fiddle that's a size too small for his giant hands..
Yet he's still good at it lol

[gusty charm]

What would he do if the devil went down to Georgia?

[woven flint]

We're gonna be in the Feywilds, so, hopefully he can use his ability to speak with animals naturally to his advantage

[gusty charm]

Does he play for the animals?

[woven flint]

Uh..
Big Iron on his hip

[woven flint]

Yes.
He does, In fact

[golden cliff]

Had my first short session yesterday, loved it!

[gusty charm]

That’s cute I like that

[woven flint]

Yippie

[woven flint]

He's a big himbo looking hunk, but he's an incredibly shy man
He really only speaks with animals until it's necessary for him to actually talk to people

[paper portal]

I'm going to choose to interpret this that you've had long sessions previouslty but didn't love those

[gusty charm]

Why’d he join the party?

[woven flint]

Well, the party was kinda brought together through circumstance.

All of our characters were once storybook characters until they were made real.

We loosely based our characters off a few fairytale characters

My lad is a bit inspired by Disney Princesses in general lol (most of which were fairytales before)

[gusty charm]

Oh cool

[bronze wave]

Im bad at math, a lvl5 eldtrich knight & lvl1 wiz is what lvl for spell casting?

lvl 1 still?

[paper portal]

2 caster levels so still level 1 slots yeah

[woven flint]

Aye, we don't really remember how or why we were brought into the real world, buf obviously fey magics were at play

[paper portal]

Unless 1/3 casters round up in the new version? Then 3 caster levels so you get level 2 slots but I don't think you get any level 2 spells

[gusty charm]

I hope the DM has a great story for y’all

[woven flint]

:3

[valid geyser]

I think almost always you round down

[paper portal]

Half casters round up now so idk

[golden cliff]

More that I never played a proper session before

[crisp verge]

Hi quick question me and my friends just picked up DND recently and I'm dming for them and one of them plays wizard I'm kind of confused about adding spells to spell book do I give him those spells or like he makes them himself?

Oh and if I do give them to him how often should i

[viral kraken]

so they get to add some themselves, but you can give them more to add by dropping scrolls or spellbooks

[viral kraken]

this is a bit trickier, since you want to kind of just make sure they get as much stuff but not more stuff than anyone else in the group. you kind of need to feel it out based on how much of the spotlight they have versus other folks

[feral fulcrum]

They get 2 spells per level up that they can pick from the Wizard Spell list, provided they're of a level they can cast, if they find a Wizard Spell in a spellbook or spell scroll, they can spend time and money to add it to their own spellbook.

[knotty vine]

So thats what spell books are for

I was wondering what spell books where for

[umbral girder]

They start with 6 spells at level 1 and every level up they get 2 more spells.

In terms of treasure the DMG has some loot tables. If they find a spell scroll with a Wizard spell on it they can copy it into their book with a gold fee.

Wizard bad guys/npcs usually have a spell book with their spells on it.

[knotty vine]

I wanna know what the hell this was
If a creature has a skeleton, you can attempt to turn its bones to jelly with a touch of the Hand of Vecna. You can do so by using an action to make a melee attack against a creature you can reach, using your choice of your melee attack bonus for weapons or spells. On a hit, the target must succeed on a DC 18 Constitution saving throw or drop to 0 hit points.

[feral fulcrum]

They can also double as a focus item, like a component pouch.

If a Wizard loses their spellbook, well, they're stuck with only what they last had prepared. It's a core part of their class.

[knotty vine]

I honestly forget you can just swipe a wizard spell book away

[umbral girder]

Push a Wizard into a river

Now their spellbook is destroyed by the water

[knotty vine]

Waterproof spell book

[viral kraken]

Push a Wizard into a river of lava

[knotty vine]

that would kill anybody

[feral fulcrum]

There's a reason Enduring Spellbooks are a, IIRC, common magic item

[viral kraken]

solves the wizard casting spells problem

[feral fulcrum]

and it's because of bully DM's

[fresh epoch]

Eeeeyyy! I just pre-ordered the Tarokka deck! very excited....

[severe rampart]

I cast Water walk

[blissful ibex]

Scribes wizard just bodysnatches a poor unsuspecting spellbook to replace it with their own q_q

[knotty vine]

I kinda wanna make my next character a Intellect Devourer

[feral fulcrum]

"I've done nothing but teleport brains for three days."

[knotty vine]

that would be an interesting first character death

Gonna take custom linage to grab the telepath feat

I just realized if the old int devour used devour int how were you suppose to get out of the stun?

[limber trail]

Another session done and dusted

Calliope Copperheart almost fell to the power of an Arclight Phoenix in a battle on an airship

[still plover]

Cackling

[feral fulcrum]

Arclight's are Medium sized critters, yeah?

[stray lantern]

Idk why you'd size up a medium just get your reading like a normal person

[ancient dew]

I did 110 damage in a single round of combat to said phoenix 🤭

[limber trail]

I scaled this beast up to huge for the fun of it

Ordinarily yes

[limber trail]

His poor 209 hp ;-;

[ancient dew]

It was a worthy sacrifice for the amount of aura and fun I had that session ^~^

[limber trail]

It was still a real threat

[ancient dew]

True!!

[lean wigeon]

seeing people roleplay "pacifist" characters by being a supportive non-combatant but still enabling their allies to kill people feels weird and hypocritical

[severe rampart]

I don't see what's wrong with it

Why do you say so?

[lean wigeon]

because you're still being complicit in killing people by being an enabler of violence. that doesn't seem very pacifist

that to me is what makes me feel weird about "pacifist" PCs

[crimson gulch]

Yeah I tell folks that's not gonna work

[severe rampart]

In character, the pc probably understands the party doesn't have to follow their philosophy, out of game it's just more difficult to have everyone be a pacifist, then nothing would be done, at least permanently

[jolly canyon]

Pacifist doesn't mean not enabling. It just means they themselves don't want to cause direct physical harm. It's not the dictionary definition it's the playstyle.

[severe rampart]

I don't see what's wrong with it, if it's not harming anyone or anything it's not an issue.

They want to play a mercy monk? good for them

[jolly canyon]

In character you can confront them about their hypocrisy though. Would be a fun rp moment

[lean wigeon]

i didn't say it was wrong per se, just that i find it hypocritical

[severe rampart]

You did say it felt weird, but weird can just mean different

[jolly canyon]

Do you have a pacifist on your team? In game you can confront them! Might be a cool growing pains moment for your characters

[lean wigeon]

no i'm just browsing through reddit

[severe rampart]

Ah.

Well that's the issue, you're browsing through reddit

[lean wigeon]

fair lol

[humble cairn]

I love that name!

[limber trail]

It's one of my players' character, shes very cool

[normal canyon]

Hi

[stray lantern]

I mean... Is Discord much better?

[lean wigeon]

no lol

[stray lantern]

We're all crabs in a bucket

[normal junco]

and CritCrab is king

[still plover]

Character must go on adventure. One way or another, they've reconciled themselves to the fact their team may have different views regarding violence, and hopes that they can show a better way through their actions while also helping defeat the Dark Lord.

[severe rampart]

the bar is in hell, so yeah

[feral fulcrum]

Lies, the King Crab is king. Wait wrong franchise, there are no stompy mechas in dnd

[still plover]

-# King at catching LRMs, maybe...

[stray lantern]

I present, the humbe trashcan

[stray lantern]

Ventrilo died for our sins

By the way, if you know Ventrilo, I would recommend starting a family, old ahh

[stray lantern]

Or at least start composing a tome

[viral kraken]

Apparatus of kwalish (sorry spelling) is kinda a crab mech, tho pretty small

[torpid osprey]

sup yall

[woven flint]

Looks at the Mighty Servant of Leuk-o

Looks at Warforged Colossus

Looks at Spirit Warrior from older editions

There are indeed stompy Mechas in D&D

[limber trail]

Arguably the actual colossus from 2024 too

[woven flint]

Indeed, Indeed

[feral fulcrum]

Warforged Collosus doesn't really count. They're technically giant people.

[woven flint]

They're not, actually.
Warforged Collosus are meant to be piloted.

[feral fulcrum]

Huh, neat.

[woven flint]

Yeah, they've got a whole psychic helm system and everything

[feral fulcrum]

But yeah, unless it's Piloted, it's not really a Mecha.

[hallow jackal]

Yeah an artificer got one in one of the games I was in

[woven flint]

Mighty Servant of Leuk-o and Spirit Warriors from.. I forgot which edition are the defacto D&D mechas

[hallow jackal]

Problem is that how tf are you supposed to haul that thing around? It’s a huge size I think so how do you get it through a dungeon

[limber trail]

I guess the idea is that’s an intentional challenge

[woven flint]

Interestingly
Spirit Warriors are actually raised from little tiny bugs to build bonds with their future pilots and eventually become giant undead beings when it's time to become a mech (transformation Shenanagins)

[hallow jackal]

It ended up being a waste for us because we never could really use it in combat unless it was during travel

[feral fulcrum]

You don't. Is the thing.

[limber trail]

It seems much more useful in full scale combats and honestly in campaigns built for it

[reef tundra]

This the apparatus of kwalsh?

[feral fulcrum]

DND certainly wasn't built with the expectation that someone could bring a Huge sized mech to an alleyway knife fight, or to a cramped cave dug out by Kobolds

[limber trail]

The apparatus and other similar mechas

[reef tundra]

I love it, but only because I am biased due to it appearing in my favourite dnd podcast, dndads

[woven flint]

Warforged Collosus, Mighty Servant of Leuk-o, Spirit warriors and Kwalsh

[reef tundra]

Ty both

[woven flint]

D&D mecha topic lol

[lavish flame]

You don't, you use it to siege towns and villages and army regiments

[rugged rampart]

I came at the best(?) time then? lol

[woven flint]

Spirit Warriors are sadly stuck in older editions (as of now)

I learned about those from Dungeon Dad

He actually interviewed the guy who made them in that video

It was pretty cool

[reef tundra]

Oh dayum, cool!

[woven flint]

Hell yeah, love me some Dungeon Dad
He's the only D&DTuber I'll watch

[reef tundra]

Pointy hat and Ginny Di for me

That kobold guy can get tf out of here

[flint ledge]

Helloooo! I have a question for you all! Did we ever get statblocks for the primordials (Aka the really big elementals)

[limber trail]

Not really, but I’m sure you could tweak the elemental cataclysm as a basis

[minor cargo]

No, but check out Elemental Cataclysms. These are really cool. ✌️
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/mm-2024/monsters-e#ElementalCataclysm

[woven flint]

We DO have the princes of Elemental Evil

They've got interesting statblocks

Yan-C-Bin, Imix, Ogremoch and Olhydra if I remember their names correctly

[flint ledge]

Whichhhh source?

[reef tundra]

I will guess princes of the apocalypse, I don’t have it but I’m researching it

[rough basalt]

Yep, theyre in PotA

[reef tundra]

I knew it 😎

[woven flint]

Princes of the Apocalypse as they said lol

Sorry. I was typing that out but got distracted

With Primordial Warlock POTENTIALLY Being a thing in the future, I hope they get reprinted tbh
I'd love an updated Statblock for those 4

I'm almost POSITIVE they will, but I'll be disappointed if they don't

[feral fulcrum]

I want a Bigby's/Fizbans, but, well, for Elementals

They haven't gotten enough love in 5E

[reef tundra]

Absolutely agree

-# Hmmm, elemental book for my setting… good idea

[woven flint]

I'd like more love for Constructs, personally

[rough basalt]

Plants and Oozes for me

[reef tundra]

-# Arashem’s Archive of Elementals. Has a nice ring to it

[viral kraken]

oozes are fun

[reef tundra]

Laughs in Shadow of the Clockwork Isle
-# Another book in my setting, ignore me

[rough basalt]

I'm still stumped on mine

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

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[balmy juniper]

Guys, rank the elf subraces?

[reef tundra]

I’m fine with oozes not getting much attention, because I don’t like them >:( /lhj

-# I don’t like slime and goo irl

[reef tundra]

Drow and Wood the goat

For me

[shrewd juniper]

kagonesti on top, then silvanesti then drow

[balmy juniper]

Eladrin though

[woven flint]

Eladrin aren't a subrace for the elf.
They are lore-wise, but mechanically they're not a subrace for the player race

[lavish flame]

If all Elves were Eladrin I think they'd be considerably more interesting

[lavish flame]

they were in MtoF

MMM just made every subrace its own race

[woven flint]

Yes, but that's outdated alas

[lavish flame]

this is like arguing Deep Gnomes aren't a subrace of Gnome because MMM makes them a different species option

[balmy juniper]

Eladrin's are amazing

[woven flint]

Well, I'm saying I wouldn't classify them as such if we're counting base subraces.

[balmy juniper]

Guys thoughts on DMPC'S?

[lavish flame]

Or that Sea Elves aren't a kind of Elf

[rough basalt]

Don't likeem.

[uncut zenith]

A good DMPC is just an NPC imo

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

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[woven flint]

Who keeps doing that? 😭

[lavish flame]

I think you'll be hard pressed to find people who like DMPCs

[jolly canyon]

Who keeping pinging lol

[balmy juniper]

My DM if a life domain cleric...

Eladrin

[flint ledge]

Why thank you!

[severe rampart]

DMPC?

[uncut zenith]

A DMPC that’s designed with the purpose of a DM just playing their own campaign the way they want is a no-go. But an NPC that’s designed to help the party with no risk of being “the main character” is common and not a big deal.

[woven flint]

DMPC's are.. kinda cringe imo

The story is about the players, not the dm

[jolly canyon]

I would rather just have a bunch of NPCs help the group than some DMPC with a character sheet. Yuck. My opinion anyway

[viral kraken]

i mean the dm is a player at the table too, but ya they don't need a pc, they are everything else in the world already

[balmy juniper]

It's debatable

[uncut zenith]

As a forever DM, I also think having a DMPC is a little silly for me personally, cuz like… I have enough stuff to do as a DM mid-session. Now I have to keep track of a character sheet too? Miss me with that

[woven flint]

Just use a Statblock instead of a character sheet

[flint ledge]

I don't even like having a constant companion NPC cause most of the time they basically stand there doing nothing because I'm busy with literally everything else

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

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[balmy juniper]

...

[flint ledge]

I swear to god is this like a reminder that goes off every 2 minutes?

[lavish flame]

Woah, DDB is retrying a sort of a la carte. You can purchase "[Class] Starter Pack" which gives you the PHB subclasses, a handful of Species, some Feats, and Backgrounds.

[woven flint]

Actually?

[lavish flame]

Its a manual command. Someone keeps typing "?noping" for whatever reason

[jolly canyon]

My players dragged along the npc in their group. Was against my will

[marble hinge]

My DM has abunch of self inserts of his old characters in a current game, I am actively trying to get with one of their sisters to messwith him

[balmy juniper]

I personally like DMPC'S if they are like guides to the players

[lavish flame]

https://marketplace.dndbeyond.com/BB-2026-StarterPacks-Apr

[woven flint]

Swag!

[lavish flame]

There's also Eberron Species Pack

[woven flint]

👀

[uncut zenith]

You can do that without making an entire DMPC tho

[balmy juniper]

I'm a DMPC, I'm an eladrin, life domain cleric.

[uncut zenith]

That’s one of the many things NPCs are made for

[lavish flame]

ah, the Eberron Species Pack is just the species, no Backgrounds or anything else

[woven flint]

Ah.
Well at least it's something

[flint ledge]

This also happened to me, I just recently had her take her leave from the party to attend to other buisness

[uncut zenith]

The closest I’d ever get to making a DMPC in one of my campaigns is using a Sidekick

[limber trail]

Iv got enough going on lmao I don’t need to play another character

[woven flint]

And we're saying that not everyone is going to like having a dmpc around because it feels like it can detract from player agency (imho) also, they can get annoying if given plot armor or act as the main character

[limber trail]

I’m already every villain and ally

[uncut zenith]

Otherwise it’s all too easy to let a DMPC be “the star of the show”, and historically that just leaves a bad taste in my players’ mouths

[limber trail]

Why would I want to muddy that

[jolly canyon]

Eberron my beloved

[limber trail]

I get to do cool things anyways

[peak pecan]

I’ve got a Cleric DMPC because all my party are noobs who would TPK too easily; all she does is heal, blast some enemies out of range from the players, and make Religion checks

[balmy juniper]

Exactly

[woven flint]

Knome, make a guy with outlandish tech named Billy Joe and put him somewhere random

[uncut zenith]

The goal of a DMPC/friendly NPC imo is for them to be supportive of the party, not necessarily one of them. So I don’t care for DMPCs myself.

[balmy juniper]

Same. I play with Y8S at school, I coach them

[rough basalt]

Nah I'd tpk

[jolly canyon]

At the end if the day if you do have a DMPC and your table likes/loves them then by all means. Keep em going. Most people here in this discord don't like the concept of them. Rightfully so.

[humble cairn]

I feel they go against the purpose of NPC's.

[severe rampart]

Just horrible experiences for some folks here, yeah