dnd-discussion

[delicate owl]

I dont get how people haven't learned that Martials are the single target monsters and Casters are the aoe control freaks. With variations depending on the caster. Sorc is more blaster, wizard more utility, druid and bard more control, and cleric is kind of a mix of them all.

Warlock is just a weaker caster with some non-caster stuff at base.

[reef tundra]

Never >:(

[delicate owl]

Its almost like classes have roles in the roleplaying game 😔

[rough basalt]

I wish internet algorithms would stop recommending me people who think their gonna save DnD by getting rid of the "weak people who need stuff like safety tools and high rolls"

[paper portal]

You hate me 💔

[woven flint]

Dw, I love you 😎

[reef tundra]

Holding my breath to see if that has just set it off

[woven flint]

I love everyone, I'm just built different

[pliant sapphire]

Because casters can do the martials job too, but martials cant do the caster job

[reef tundra]

Let’s all just calm down, and put our guns down

[severe rampart]

Cough cough... Eldritch Knight

[rough basalt]

Perfect incitement of anger

[reef tundra]

Nobody fight it, just take the blow and walk away

[severe rampart]

Oh god it's starting

[rough basalt]

Saying calm down is one of the top 10 phrases to start fights

[reef tundra]

No no, ssshhhh

Think positive thoughts

[rough basalt]

I better hop on a game before I actually do get angry.

[woven flint]

It started as a Martial hate joke and now people are in arms and screaming 😭

[delicate owl]

The fact you said that means that, imo, you havent played d&d enough to understand how it works. Good day.

[reef tundra]

I brought this upon us all

[severe rampart]

I'm so happy martials are weaker than casters /j

[woven flint]

You killed us all!!!!

[pliant sapphire]

I have more martials than casters 😂

[viral kraken]

i have exactly the same number of martials and caster characters since i always end up playing half or third casters

[flint ledge]

The flip is a third caster

[woven flint]

Arcane Trickster, Eldritch Knight

[delicate owl]

Well, I'd say I did my job, but it was going to happen regardless

[woven flint]

Their Spell progression is slower than a Half-Caster like Paladins, so they're called Third Casters

[flint ledge]

Oh I thought those 2 also went to half caster level but guess not

[minor cargo]

It’s always so wild to me when I see and hear stuff like this.

Like if you don’t like it, don’t use it? If you don’t want players who use it, don’t invite them? It’s just so ridiculous.

[woven flint]

Nope
Only 4th level spells and way slower progression

[rough basalt]

I genuinely think they don't even know what they are. Or even play dnd. That it's just grifting or "old man yells at cloud"

Cause if you equate "hey we can stop mid-scene of this one part of CoS" to politics and "not gatekeeping enough" then it's either one of the two.

Hate being terminally online as a tabletop fan.

[versed pollen]

Ok, i think i remembered it, wasn't there somewhere along the line of new ranger, favored foe or enemy allowed hunter mark (with concentration) but without the use of bonus action (on attack)? or am i tripping?

[severe rampart]

Just had a chicken sandwich 100% recommend

[rough basalt]

Cause being terminally online as a tabletop fan means eventually running into Sandy Petersen's (CoC guy) Twitter account and his takes on stuff like dnd. shudders

[delicate owl]

Chimkin

[woven flint]

I'm sad now.
I don't have pickles for my chimken samwige.

[viral kraken]

i have some pickles, but i don't have pickle perms here, so i can't send over the pickles

[woven flint]

Which one of you ate all my pickles?!

[viral kraken]

i was just keeping them safe for you!

[woven flint]

Do I have to start putting my name on things!?
Someone stole my Greatsword last time.

[rough basalt]

Take it anyway

[knotty vine]

My bad

[still plover]

They can cast it without a spell slot but it still costs the BA. Equal uses to PB, refresh on a long rest. Here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level1FavoredEnemy

[feral fulcrum]

Anyone who legimately crtizises Safety tools is firmly in Dogwhistle territory, and Definitely Not a safe, or pleasant person to interact with.

[rough basalt]

Yeah I did the smart thing and blocked them like you always should when algorithms give you those kinds of people.

[viral kraken]

i often think about those table saws that can explosively stop the sawblade when anything fleshy touches it when i think about safety tools

[rough basalt]

Cause best case scenario it's old man yells at cloud.

[versed pollen]

i meant during the playtest.

[still plover]

Oh, heck if I know.

[feral fulcrum]

There are red flags, and then there's "Oh my, the horizon appears to be on fire?" And "Safety tools are for the weak" is Firmly the latter

[versed pollen]

i remember that, and was very hapy i could do smth else with my bonus action than move the mark every turn

[rough basalt]

"Safety Tools are for weak players. Back in my day, if you got hit by a monster you'd die instantly!"
"Safety Tools don't change that?"
old man yelling while dropping Conan and Gandalf gifs

[woven flint]

Some people really do be like
"I'm gonna climb this mountain without ANY gear!" /silly

[still plover]

I like Lines & Veils, and Time Out (X-Card, basically).

[viral kraken]

lines and veils are great, and we use traffic lights instead of x cards, but same idea for red light. we usually stop at yellow light since that means folks are just running out of steam

[rough basalt]

Whenever I put posts up, I try to list off content warnings I think will be applicable.

[feral fulcrum]

Warning, contains Rodents of Unusual Size. looks inside, finds a colossal Squirrel

[humble cairn]

I don't believe they exist.

[feral fulcrum]

Could be worse, could be Lemurs of unusal size

[rough basalt]

Like one of my upcoming games is in a settings country heavily inspired by African cultures and one of the major themes of trouble in the region is colonialism so I made sure to put "potential themes of colonialism" cause it's a tutorial adventure and probably won't deal with the main issues, but it still might come up in a regard.

[humble cairn]

I already answered this, it's Tasha's Favored Foe. So basically it was an optional patch for Rangers that came out with Tasha's Cauldron of Everything.

[woven flint]

I'm not gonna point fingers and this was long in the past, but;
There was this one lass that signed up for a campaign with dark themes knowing it had dark themes and struggled with dark themes but said "I'll be fine" spoiler alert, she eventually was the reason the campaign crumbled.

I'm not pointing fingers, but of you can't handle something, don't insert yourself in a situation you understand that thing will happen.

[hollow stone]

the sequel to Hunter's Mark but it continues to not actually be that good and is actually actively worse

[versed pollen]

So it still exists/usable in the new ranger?

[humble cairn]

Hm .. I suppose if the DM allows optional rules to be used, yes. But it's also terrible.

[rough basalt]

Favored Foe is worse than current ranger

A lot worse.

[versed pollen]

Yeah i know, but at least it frees up bonus action

[rough basalt]

Not even remotely a good tradeoff.

[versed pollen]

hunter's mark is very taxing for just 1d6 damage, taking both concentration & bonus action every turn

[rough basalt]

It doesn't take a BA every turn

It only takes a BA to change targets.

[humble cairn]

I don't get why people are obsessed with having HM up all the time. It's good for single target damage in Tier 1 and then you get better and can honestly ignore it and still do great as a class.

[versed pollen]

By the time your turn comes up again the target is mostly dead, is my experience at least.

[woven flint]

Once it's up, it's extra damage on every attack without any cost besides conc

[wild hazel]

Who ever did the strahd artwork for the banner niiiice

[feral fulcrum]

Doesn't it swap for free if the target dies?

[versed pollen]

takes bonus action

[humble cairn]

Free of spell slot cost, not free of BA cost.

[hollow stone]

tbh it'd be better if it was d4s and had an actual upcasting promotion of more dice instead of lasting longer lmao

[feral fulcrum]

Ah.

[woven flint]

You don't always NEED your bonus action on a Ranger though

[versed pollen]

Realistically speaking, almost all scenarios i find myself in with hunter's mark or even hex, is that the target is dead after one round and i have to move it every round.

[hot gate]

I'd personally probably not even bother using it in the first place if the target is such that it'll fall over in one turn.
My players tent to put hunters mark on bosses for that reason.

[humble cairn]

Ranger as a class works just fine even if you don't use HM.

[feral fulcrum]

Except for the subclasses built around HM usage

Which, I super hope doesn't become a running theme

[rough basalt]

And you don't really need your BA on Ranger as much anymore due to the weapon masteries making dual wield not need a BA for its main flurry

[humble cairn]

It's great that some subs do it, though.

[woven flint]

I actually like what Hollow Warden does with Hunters Mark
I'm gonna be sad if they changed it too greatly lol

[rough basalt]

I like Winter Walker Ranger

It's a pretty solid dual wield oriented ranger.

[versed pollen]

yes

[versed pollen]

what it does?

[feral fulcrum]

Dual Wield is generally the go to for all Ranger's, unless you want to be a ranged ranger.

[humble cairn]

I do so many things on my Ranger, I provide Support, Utility, Control, and Damage.

[feral fulcrum]

It be spooky and tanky and inflicts Firghtened

It's Knockoff Diet Undead Warlock

Like, litteraly almost a copy-paste tbh

[humble cairn]

Or a Shillelagh Ranger.

[versed pollen]

you mean magic stone sling ranger?

[woven flint]

Yeah, gives you a bit extra AC and does other things

[humble cairn]

Both is good.

[feral fulcrum]

I like the flavor of Hollow Warden, but I also seriously dislike that it's quite litteraly like 80% the same as Undead Warlock.

[humble cairn]

Though I find myself more often just throwing it by hand, since the ammo tag means I can't use a shield.

[versed pollen]

the range limit on sling is kinda limiting, but maybe with sharpshooter and/or big game hunter subclass from paleos games it could work better.

[woven flint]

I had an Idea for a Leonin Unarmed Fighting Ranger.

His name was Atlas Salvador

As you can imagine, he hunts with his bare hands

[humble cairn]

I like Shillelagh better, honestly.

[woven flint]

I should've just called him Saxton Hale smh (those who know)

[feral fulcrum]

The real Saxton would break them in half. The man's an australian cryptid.

[woven flint]

We love Saxton Hale

[humble cairn]

But yes, I do often use my concentration for other things than HM, and that's just fine by me. I'm doing great things in combat and a few more dice of damage on a single target is not worth it for me to use Hunter's Mark.

[livid brook]

Ranged weapons don't get the damage bonus from Rage but they can still extend the length yes?

[woven flint]

I mean, yeah
Throw a Javelin if needed

[humble cairn]

There is one ranged weapon that can get the damage bonus from Rage. Darts.

[livid brook]

kk

[feral fulcrum]

That's a throwable weapon more then ranged aint it? Or did they reclassify it?

[humble cairn]

Dart has been a Ranged Finesse weapon since 2014.

Finesse means you can choose to use Str.

[feral fulcrum]

I might be thinking of Javelins then.

[humble cairn]

Javelins are a melee weapon with the Thrown tag.

So they default to Str.

[humble cairn]

Oh but yes Dart also has the Thrown tag. It's the only Ranged Thrown weapon.

All the other Thrown Weapons are melee.

[hollow stone]

also, the wording of Magic Stone makes it unclear enough that it seems the stone assumes the range of the sling, making it actively worse than throwing by hand

[humble cairn]

Right, people usually only use it in order to trigger things that need an actual weapon tag.

[knotty vine]

I choose death

[humble cairn]

I choose, "by old age, in bed, happy and surrounded by loved ones."

[knotty vine]

I choose to die in the abyss

[humble cairn]

If that floats your boat!

[knotty vine]

What Mr beast was in dnd what do type of challenges do you think he would do

[humble cairn]

No clue. I have never watched any of his stuff.

[hybrid quarry]

Huh, sounds kinda interesting when you actually think about it...

[strong wave]

Can you run across this gelatinous cube before your feet melt off

[strong wave]

His show on Amazon is pretty good

But exploitative

[jolly meadow]

would anyone be willing to read and give opinions on a paragraph that is a very quick explination of dnd for a speech? I comptete in collegent speech and debate and my informative topic for next year is the mental health benefits of dnd

[hybrid quarry]

...give me a look

[jolly meadow]

Before we can discuss the benefits of dnd, you must understand some basic terminology and a rough idea how the game works, now, since we don’t have all day this will all be massively oversimplified. To start, the most common terms you will probably hear, and their definitions. BBEG, Big Bad Evil Guy, this is your main villain you are facing within any given campaign. D4, D6, D8, D10, D12, D20. I know that seems like a random string of numbers prociding the letter D, but it is actually a simple way to name the dice used in game. D&D uses a set of polyhedrial dice, with the main one used being the twenty sided die, or D20. The dice are named by the letter D followed by the number of sides they have. Now, to play the game, your character has six stats that give either plus or minuses to your roll, those are constitution, charisma, dexterity, strength, intelligence, and wisdom. What stats you want to give higher numbers to is decided by your class, of which there are thirteen. Rogue, ranger, artificer, cleric, paladin, druid, sorcerer, wizard, warlock, monk, artificer, barbarian, and fighter. Your character is how you interact with the world in game, and it can be anything from a direct representation of you as a human or it can be far out there, like a Tabaxi, a race of cat-like people within dnd. The last important thing to understand about dnd is that this is not a game you win or lose, it is a cooperative story telling game, you as players are guided through the story by your DM, which is short for dungeon master. The DM simply guides the characters through the story and builds the world, often playing many npcs or non-playable characters, and running the encounters by deciding what monsters you will face.

[strong wave]

I don't think you need to include a description of bbeg to explain what DND is that may just confuse people more

[still plover]

Strip everything about the specifics of the dice and classes, too.

[hybrid quarry]

Will be a hit-or-miss for the people who likes and don't like this kind of game

I guess

[humble cairn]

Reorder the entire thing and drop some of the definitions. The concepts of what a roleplaying game is should come first, then the role of DM and Player and then maybe classes.

[errant whale]

just listing the name of some of the classes doesn't really explain much

i would just broadly define what a class means like using magic, weapons, etc

[humble cairn]

You started with details that are basically trivial and left the important stuff last. The definition of BBEG is unnecessary, it's not even an official term.

[still plover]

I'd maybe just drop the entire first half. Start with the "Your character is how you interact with the world..." part.

[strong wave]

I would just start off more along the lines of we've all seen DND before in movies and TV shows but what is it really? A lot of people have now seen DND in but shows like stranger things but some people are still scared to take the plunge. And then you go from there, if you jump in with all this terminology stuff people will just go to sleep

[still plover]

Play to the audience.

[humble cairn]

1. This is a TTRPG (explain what a ttrpg is)
2. Players can take the roles of Characters or the Dungeon Master and this is what they do
3. Generally explain that dice are used to do stuff, don't go into the types of dice

[jolly meadow]

that is all in the intro paragraph. competion speeches like this are five parts, an intro, three points, and a conclusion, this is my fisrt point, just an explination

[strong wave]

Oh I thought that was your intro

[still plover]

What's your goal?

[hybrid quarry]

Yeah, that really could alter our real and make-up advices and the result

[strong wave]

I've given quite a few college ent speeches if ya know what I'm saying sayin

[jolly meadow]

Collage speech competion, like high school foresnics if you are familliar

[hybrid quarry]

Hmm

[strong wave]

Hmmm

[hybrid quarry]

Hmmmm

[errant whale]

Hmmmmm

[hybrid quarry]

Are we gonna keep going?

[errant whale]

nah

[strong wave]

I don't wanna get banned

[hybrid quarry]

So- that's the whole purpose of this speech

The competition

[strong wave]

Who are you competing against

[errant whale]

what exactly is the goal of the competition?

is everyone explaining dnd?

[strong wave]

Learn their speech and make a speech about how they're wrong

[humble cairn]

Starting your explanation of D&D with the definition of BBEG is like explaining someone who doesn't know what chess is and starting with "Castling is ..."

[knotty vine]

I’m bleeding

[jolly meadow]

Im competing agaist hundreds of others all around the coutnry. I placed fourth at nationals this year, everyone creates their own speech on many topics. mine this year was on the bias in wildlife conservation

[humble cairn]

One must give context.

[feral fulcrum]

Castling is when you build a castle on someone elses property to properly assert dominance

[jolly meadow]

college... I suck and speling

here, my intro

When was the last time you played pretend? For most adults, probably since before or during middle school, yet for those who play Dungeons and Dragons, playing pretend and using their imagination is a regular occurrence. Dungeons and Dragons, also known as D&D is known to most from tv shows and movies like Stranger Things or Honor Among Thieves, and video games and podcasts such as Balders’ Gate and critical roll. This classic game has gone through many changes from its creation in 1974, seven mainline editions, from the original to the modern 5.5 edition, from being feared as devil worship in the satanic panic to today, being proven in multiple studies to actually be beneficial to the players mental health, which brings me to our topic. Today we will be exploring D&D and how it positively impacts the mental health of its players. First, I will explain Dungeons and Dragons, introducing the core concepts of the game as well as some essential terminology, second, I will discuss its benefits to the mental health of its players, and finally, I will speak on its potential applications, everywhere from therapist offices, to classrooms, and even within our prison system.

[feral fulcrum]

casts Mighty Fortress and T-poses for maximum effect

[strong wave]

I want a castle

[strong wave]

Hey that's pretty good

[errant whale]

but you see they dont own the rights to the land simply their pieces and you will be taxed by the one who owns the land

[hybrid quarry]

Hmm m m m mmmm mmm

[jolly meadow]

thank you! ive been workshopping that for about a month. I don't need this speech until september, but I am trying to be even more competive this year than I was last, hence starting now

[still plover]

-# Kinda strongly feel RPGs in general and their applications to mental health would be a better topic than trying to give everyone a beginner's primer on how to D&D, but anyway...

[hybrid quarry]

Okay, I guess I, just an insane 17-years-old who had literally not really experienced anything an feownup should have no sound here, on the really important matter

[errant whale]

true

[hybrid quarry]

That is on you and those who really knows how to help now

Duck... I really wanna send a cursed gif...

[jolly meadow]

one of the things you are judged on is ensuring everyone understands the topic, explaning dnd was the recomendation of my coach

[still plover]

Differentiate understand the topic from understanding the game. That there are classes with various benefits? Yes. That fighters get second wind and action surge? Unnecessary.

Think big picture, like you're explaining it to parents of children who play.

[jolly meadow]

I have cut that out now. this will definily be the paragraph I struggle with the most as I have a tendence to ramble on dnd as a topic I am deffinaty appricinating all of the advice

[still plover]

It's easy to get enthused about a subject you have a passion for.

[jolly meadow]

Indeed
That’s both the strength of mu speech, and my weakness in the early drafting

My target speaking length is nine minutes thirty seconds, and sometimes finding the balance lf time is hard

[still plover]

The other coin I'll drop here is to look critically at how what you're presenting reinforces the core of your argument. You're building a road for your listeners that leads them to the point you want to make. Don't get sidetracked.

[strong wave]

Why is this gray

[still plover]

Used the subtext tag. It wasn't intended as a criticism as much as an observation. -#

[strong wave]

-#im observing

Darn

[still plover]

Needs a space after the tag.

[strong wave]

-# can you read this

[still plover]

There it is.

[strong wave]

-# I'm gray now

[hollow stone]

an elaboration on this would be pretty cool

[strong wave]

I read an article about DND and therapy in that DND times magazine edition

[still plover]

If I get a hand free I'll come back to it, sure.

[hollow stone]

i know i've had a share of characters who needed therapy but decided adventure was cooler and did that instead, all to their detriment

[woven flint]

That is your special attack?!

[still plover]

TTRPGs are collaborative games of imagination. They encourage creativity and expression, communication and empathy. They allow people to experience fictional scenarios, encounter and overcome difficulties, and gain a sense of achievement as their chosen characters progress and develop.

[hollow stone]

the author's (me's) anti-violence philosophy often carries over into her characters' narrative

[jolly meadow]

See, my point on the research behind its benefits it’s what I’m really excited to write, I have sooooo many peer reviews articles to cite
Same thing with the paragraph on its applications
The explanation of D&D is actually the only paragraph I’m struggling with how to formulate

[woven flint]

The only one of my characters with background rated Trauma is my Drow Celestial Warlock

He watched his younger sister get murdered and eaten by a Balor
Which became immeasurable hatred for Demon Kind as an adult

[still plover]

All I was really getting at was that D&D is far from unique in the RPG sphere.

[hollow stone]

oh, yea, no, the only unique thing of DND is that it's the big one

this is because many such TTs RPG take note from DND

[jolly meadow]

Im using and as that is the particular one that all of the studies I found used

[crisp verge]

Hello me and my friends started DND recently and I'm dming our second campaign one of my players wanted to play banished god or something like this I'm not entirely sure how to name it in English and also I asked them to pick a magic item they want to start with and she asked me if she can have a ring or sth like that which would make her level 20 for one round because you know being god and all that and in my opinion it's a great idea also she is pretty dumb so I don't see her abusing it all that much we are playing bade DND beyond version and she is playing sorcerer can someone pretty please tell me if I should be afraid?

[still plover]

I'd start with what's in the Free Rules.

[hollow stone]

yea no do NOT do that, with a sorcerer? those have the Wish spell, do NOT do that

[peak pecan]

I personally wouldn’t allow this, if only because the rest of the party would still be level 1 and a round isn’t that long. So this will barely make a dent in combat, and will be too strong outside of it

[crisp verge]

Im not even sure like I said we are pretty new

[peak pecan]

So, because the Free Rules don’t have this as an item or suggestion, ask your friend if she can come up with another character idea

[woven flint]

You know, random thought

I've heard people compare level 20 characters to Demigods.

But.. Demigods in the realms are full Gods, not mortals with godlike abilities 💀

[crisp verge]

I mean character is pretty cool it's just that item that's controversial

[woven flint]

So, even at level 20, you're nowhere near Demigod Level

[still plover]

There are too many complications there to make it a good idea, in my opinion.

[peak pecan]

The character seems to be built around the item, and the item doesn’t work. So it would be a lot better to have her start again with a new idea for a sorcerer

[crisp verge]

It makes sense for her and also she is pretty dumb so once for a long rest being able to turn lvl 20 for one turn doesn't seem all that strong I don't even know if lvl 20 characters are strong the highest I've ever seen were level 3

[rough basalt]

You dont need to be smart for level 20 to be strong

[woven flint]

Being level 20 doesn't scratch anywhere near God levels in all honesty

[peak pecan]

Level 20 characters are strong. Much stronger than level 3

[crisp verge]

The character was made long before they even know they will have the item

[woven flint]

But this still rings true:

[crisp verge]

Does anyone have an idea how I could balance it out or something as cool but not as broken?

[rough basalt]

Oh good ole "i wanna play my oc, wdym theres rules"

[rough basalt]

Its not gonna be balanced

[peak pecan]

It can’t be balanced

[knotty vine]

What’s going on?

I’m curious

[crisp verge]

Maybe instead level 20 maybe like +5 levels for one turn?

[rough basalt]

Player wants to be level 20 while everyone else is level 3 for a round as a magic item

[woven flint]

The only time players would ever be as strong as or even stronger than a God is in ||Rime of The Frost Maiden. Because Auril is weakened||

[crisp verge]

Level one actually

[knotty vine]

They can not be serious

[rough basalt]

Thats even worse

[peak pecan]

Even worse

[crisp verge]

I mean it's a cool idea and makes sense lore wise

[rough basalt]

Thats like Superman showing up to deal with an argument between kids and beating the kids up

[crisp verge]

She is pretty dumb tho

[peak pecan]

Cool ideas aren’t always good ones

[rough basalt]

It doesnt matter if the player is dumb

[knotty vine]

You can still destroy half the game

[crisp verge]

Like really first campaign she played spell cater and did not prepare any spell until 8 campain

[rough basalt]

Being dumb doesnt stop meteor swarm from doing 40d6 combined damage

[still plover]

What are they going to do, upcast scorching ray and delete an encounter?

[crisp verge]

Session I mean sr

[woven flint]

This 100% ^^

[knotty vine]

While everyone else has at 10-15 hp you have like 100-200

[peak pecan]

This, once again doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the strength of her class features, the number of hit points, nothing

[crisp verge]

Okay

So what could I give her instead

[rough basalt]

a big no

[knotty vine]

You should probably ask the dm

[crisp verge]

They are all getting aagic item at the start

[crisp verge]

I'm the dm

[rough basalt]

Theres gonna be no reasonable magic item at level 1 to make someone "god"

[knotty vine]

Deck of many things

[peak pecan]

Not all magic items are the same power level; stick to the official materials in the Free Rules/Dungeon Master’s Guide

[woven flint]

Tasha. No.
They're clearly a new dm, don't give them anything that could derail their game entirely.

[knotty vine]

I’ve played a “demigod” character in dnd and they still stuck to the rules of dnd

[knotty vine]

You’re no fun

[peak pecan]

If it’s level one I suggest Uncommon Magic Items, perhaps one Rare Magic Item like a potion or scroll

[woven flint]

Your character was likely still nowhere near Demigod level in the realms because Demigods are complete deities within D&D lore

[knotty vine]

I would dial it back cause rare items can be over tuned

[crisp verge]

Out of 5 2 of them just refused I don't even know why one asked for a rosary of truth I have no idea why one for a fire extinguisher and last one for ring of making you level 20 for one turn

[woven flint]

If you're playing a regular PC, you're not experiencing anything close to Godhood normally

[knotty vine]

From a +2 to hit and well fireball at 8th level

[peak pecan]

A rare consumable can’t be too overtuned

[severe rampart]

Excuse me what?

[knotty vine]

Oh consumeable

[severe rampart]

You know you can just... reject your player's idea

[woven flint]

Consumption

[knotty vine]

True

[peak pecan]

Have your players… played D&D before?

[knotty vine]

Level 20 for 1 turn?

[severe rampart]

Casts Wish

[peak pecan]

If not, don’t make homebrew items

[knotty vine]

How does that even work

[rough basalt]

Isekai OC

[peak pecan]

It doesn’t

[crisp verge]

Once and we got tpked on like 10 session all level 3

[still plover]

Perhaps you might take a browse through the common magic items and give them a list to pick from?

[knotty vine]

Yuta type OC

[severe rampart]

Lmao

[peak pecan]

What was the situation that TPKd them?

[woven flint]

You've seen that meme too? 💀

[severe rampart]

Only ten sessions?

[knotty vine]

Of course I have lmao

[crisp verge]

I want them to be strong because entire campaign is based around those like cultist that are building machine to corruptagic items and turn them against the holder

[severe rampart]

They should earn the strength themselves.

[rough basalt]

Theres a difference between strong and literal cheat code

[crisp verge]

I'm 95% sure they do not know about that so why would they not pick

[knotty vine]

I feel like just being given strength is kinda boring

[severe rampart]

That's like Yugi pulling up with Exodia every fight

[rough basalt]

Level 1 PCs are basically street level superheroes with almost no powers that get their asses beat to make the actual street level heroes look cooler

[woven flint]

Honestly, the best meme to come out of the JJK community

[knotty vine]

Hey look I’m the strongest now

[crisp verge]

Yes but tell me what strength do you gain from rosary of truth

[peak pecan]

Players want to get better at things and grow their power themselves, not be handed it by the DM

[crisp verge]

The probably most useful one is fire extinguisher

[peak pecan]

None, because that’s not a real magic item

[severe rampart]

What is the Rosary of Truth??

[knotty vine]

Instead of being given levels give them a feat or something

[rough basalt]

Fire extinguisher? what

[crisp verge]

Rosary but if you wear it you have to say truth

[severe rampart]

... The power of not being able to lie

[peak pecan]

Which book is that from?

[woven flint]

Ah yes, Fire Extinguisher, my favorite magic item /silly

[knotty vine]

Hell if you really wanna go for the meme that is they are really op you can give them a boon

[rough basalt]

What is this DandDwiki level homebrew

[crisp verge]

I forgot the name its like an actuall item of you say gayser it spills put 30gallons of water apparently he needs it for rituals

[severe rampart]

... That's decanter

[rough basalt]

Oh the Decanter of Endless Water

[peak pecan]

Decanter of Endless Water

[crisp verge]

Yes

[rough basalt]

Thats a funny pretty harmless magic item

[severe rampart]

Give them that instead

[crisp verge]

That's what I said

[severe rampart]

It's fun

[crisp verge]

I thought they all would pick something fun or at least pick something

And again 2 of them just didnt

[severe rampart]

If they don't want a magic item that's on them

You don't gotta forcefully shove a magic item to them

[peak pecan]

If you haven’t explained to them why they need to pick one, they’re not going to all take one

[rough basalt]

It is weird that they're not taking one imo

[crisp verge]

I said to them "since last time we started at level 2 and now we will start at level 1 I let you all pick one magic item you want"

[crisp verge]

Should I take them to like psychiatrist?

[peak pecan]

Well, they don’t want to, and that’s fine

[still plover]

A regular +1 weapon or wand would do.

[knotty vine]

Every last drop

[crisp verge]

On one hand yes but on the other I need them to have some so that those item can later one turn against them as that's the gimmick of the whole campaign

[severe rampart]

The references

[peak pecan]

If two players don’t have a magic item, but the others do, that’s not going to ruin the twist

[crisp verge]

I guess your right

[dense nacelle]

I wonder why so many epic boons are kinda mid

[rough basalt]

They've come a long way

[knotty vine]

The strongest epic boom was left in 2014 but I think it can still be used in 2024

[rough basalt]

From almost all being completely useless with 1 being gigaop to being worthy of being general progression.

[rough basalt]

Not necessarily

2014 Epic Boons aren't Epic Boon feats

[knotty vine]

Right

[rough basalt]

They're variant rules for post 20 levels

[knotty vine]

That’s what I meant you can’t really use them for 2024

[crimson gulch]

You can award them as a dm If you want, but the 2014 boons were never player selectable

[knotty vine]

Still the boon of high magic has to be the best just because the potential

[severe rampart]

Hmmm... I wonder how I can be a better DM so my Warlock player can enjoy their time more...

[knotty vine]

The worst one in 2014 has to be the boon of combat prowess

[severe rampart]

I know that Warlocks sometimes have a hard time because of the DM, don't wanna go down that route and make warlocks unfun for them

[solid rose]

Cute pfp btw

[severe rampart]

Thanks? it was a commission

[strong wave]

Jellyfission

A jellyfish commish if you will

[severe rampart]

Yup, my Human Draconic Sorlock

[minor cargo]

I've asked similar questions in the past, but here's another: tell me about an NPC/PC in your game that is Asian. 👀

[lean wigeon]

does it count if the setting the game takes place in is asia-inspired

or does it have to be asian character in non-asia inspired/themed campaign

[plush ermine]

Im trying to go back to the 2014 circle of the land druid biome choices and tweaking them to match how 24 has em.
After being stuck on whether polar or coastal would have ray of frost (i decided to give both, although considering frostbite for polar.)
Rn im stuck on what mountain would be?

Thunderclap?

[lavish flame]

I'm playing alongside my partner's character Sāng Yíu. They're a Reborn Spores Druid that is like an Undead dynasty's heir, but those're super bad people so they're a name on our list. My partner is Chinese and likes including little personal/cultural touchstones in Sāng Yíu's roleplay and design, its real fun.

[empty thicket]

what kind of warlock?
And short rests are always welcome for the whole party too so

[severe rampart]

Hexblade, and yes I do run multiple encounter days and award short rests

[gritty totem]

mold earth, thunderclap?

[empty thicket]

putting the option for the party of sometimes be able to take a short rest or haste in their missions is something too.
They take X amount of short rest then something happen
They dont take X amount of SR, then they get something extra

[woven flint]

Magic Stones

[plush ermine]

I was thinking mold earth, unfortunately im trying to stick a little closer to the dmg cantrip type since thats how the land types are organized

[gritty totem]

then I don't have any more ideas what you can put there

[plush ermine]

I did think about it. But magic stone kinda sucks? D6, rescales to ur spellcasting ability mod. Can be shared. (One of the things that has been killing me since the elemental warlock came out is the lack of good earth/rock spells and cantrips)
Prolly just gonna have to tweak it.

[woven flint]

You just explained reasons it doesn't really suck

Damage Scaling sucks, but otherwise it's pretty alright

That wasn't the argument 😭
It was about being just given op items instead of earning them, no stats.

Not really...

[severe rampart]

??

[woven flint]

What?

[severe rampart]

They don't need a long rest for multiple day encounters

[woven flint]

This makes no sense.

Sorry to tell ya.

[severe rampart]

one because you can only benefit from a long rest once per day (maybe every 16 hours now), two, that makes martials and warlocks less good

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Puzzles

[woven flint]

Social Encounters

[severe rampart]

No

[woven flint]

Also, that still doesn't give me ANY idea what you mean by what you said.

[empty thicket]

take one lil step back and explain yourself better, its okey buddy

[humble cairn]

Played a one shot in the Tangled Roots chapter of Radiant Citadel chapter inspired by Filipino myth. The main NPC questgiver is a binukot, a traditional lorekeeper that is somewhat equivalent to a bard.

It was a great adventure and I love that book.

[buoyant oar]

I once had a barb attempt to brute force an encounter with a Queen of a nation. Barb got executed

[still plover]

Nice.

[plush ermine]

Nvm i forgot apparently it doesnt increase in d6’s at certain levels, the sharing is pretty situational where u would have martials who have absolutely no ranged options at all, d6 plus mod is meh especially considering that druids already get that ability at level 7 unless u really wanna pull some bs and apply ur wis mod twice on a technicality cus of the spell and the level 7 ability. Effectively adding +10 at most to d6 scaling, 16 dmg at max? Ngl even with this it still kinda needs the innate dice scaling but then it might be ok?

[humble cairn]

Oh and another PC I played was basically built as the kind of stereotypical Dragon Lady archetype.

Sometimes I just want to lean into the tropes.

[plush ermine]

I feel like they might not have given this scaling to not undermine martial ranged options? Cus then a druid could effectively give ppl magic stone that deal 1-3d6+~10ish dmg based on level

[woven flint]

You said
"When does brute force not work?"
We gave answers
You said 'excluding the obvious' when the answer to what brute force doesn't solve are pretty obvious 😭

Cmon give me something to work with! /silly

[delicate owl]

When does brute force not work? When doing so would otherwise cause permanent and irreputable damage to the campaign, the party's reputation, or against impossible or unnecessarily hard odds when it could otherwise be resolved in a different, less direct way.

[minor cargo]

Haha, I think being Asian is not related to whether or not the campaign is Asia inspired... right?

[woven flint]

Barbarians also aren't locked to specifically brute force solutions

[limber stump]

Sup

Yall

[fervent knot]

Hello!

[buoyant oar]

A fan favorite in my games for players is up and coming politician Mo-Tian Hui, a tiefling woman from Empire of Shou Lung.

Hui serves as the local administrator of the city of Karatin and has turned the city from a back water following the Second Sundering into an economic power house. She was born in the back yard of a tavern to no one who discarded her, making her a stunning comment on social mobility.

The players are working for her as a cover while they operate for a rebel cell to topple the Emperor. What they don't know is she is the masked leader of the rebels. Best get out of the way, because Mo-Tian Hui will be empress and she will step on anyone's head to do so.

She is inspired by both Wu Zetian and Cleopatra

Art of this character as well as other Asian Inspired characters from the realms can be found here.
#dnd-arts-and-crafts message

[minor cargo]

That's actually so cool. I also love it when people share art from their games in general. I think we should do that more. 👀

[buoyant oar]

I am currently working through a detailed walk through of the forgotten realms. Not just Faerûn. And part of the project is full NPC art and a transcript of a conversation with them from each of the 200+ regions.

Trying to dodge the horrible appropriations of Kara-Tur, Maztica, and Al-Qadim has got me bending like Neo

[delicate owl]

Trying out the Grave Cleric UA soon perhaps, though it does have some errors, I'm excited to hopefully see it in the new book in a month

[knotty vine]

I need more power

[woven flint]

Grave Domain was my first ever Cleric

Grave, Trickery, War and now Knowledge

I'm excited to try new Arcana Cleric when it comes out

I would've tried the old one but it gave me a "Brother Euugh..." vibe lol

[uncut zenith]

I love Grave cleric

Can’t wait to see it eventually get updated for 2024

[woven flint]

Arcana, Forge, Order and Tempest are currently on my "To Play" list lol

[uncut zenith]

Oh I hate Forge with a passion lol

[woven flint]

Oh?

[delicate owl]

Just 1 monthhh

[empty thicket]

garlic bread with grilled cheese or choco milkshake?

[delicate owl]

Also i don't see them remaking forge now that artificer is a thing tbh

[empty thicket]

this isnt a code for snacks?

[woven flint]

I'd honestly love hear why
I'm a little lovestruck with it, so I'd love to see an outside perspective to point out flaws I potentially don't see myself 🧐

[delicate owl]

Forge is just so... niche imo lol

[uncut zenith]

It has one of the worst CDs out of all cleric subclasses

[turbid patrol]

I’m a grave cleric in my current campaign and I love it

[shut lance]

I used Light for my cleric

[woven flint]

Ah, yeah, that-

[delicate owl]

Now. Make it to where its channel divinity can make walls and stuff? For free? Perfect

[knotty vine]

That cleric is so grave

[woven flint]

I'd like to see an updated Order Cleric

Not that many things REALLY need to be fixed, except for of course replacing Divine Strike and maybe making the last feature work a bit differently too as they kinda rely on eachother

[knotty vine]

I have a feeling

[woven flint]

(They should also add a Chaos Domain because there's a lot of Chaos deities)

Though, I guess Trickery is kinda Orders inverse.
And Trickery could fit Chaos, I'd rather it be it's own thing

[woven flint]

That tonight's gonna be a good night?

[shut lance]

That tonight's gonna be a good, good night

[woven flint]

They get where I'm coming from

They understood the mission

[stray atlas]

so a bit of a random question

are there any humanoids with a lot of psionic abilities that aren't mind flayers?

[woven flint]

Githyanki

But Mindflayers and Githyani are both considered Aberrations as monsters

They're humanoid in appearance though

[shut lance]

githzerai are psionic (and have resistance to psychic damage)

they look like a green elf

do the blue goblins still exist? In 3rd edition they had psionic ability

[thorn wedge]

Sounds like a mind goblin

[shut lance]

definite mind goblin

[silk hare]

I mean they are kinda close to githyanki bc they share a bloodline iirc

[silk hare]

I mean not really humanoid, but slaad kinda

they can be MADE from humanoids tho

[shut lance]

yeah something like they split ages ago, like green and white martians in dc

[silk hare]

yeh

[stray atlas]

I always forget that they're psionic

I always imagine them as a bunch of fighters lead by someone I wanna throw out a window

[silk hare]

they are at least anthropomorphic

[silk hare]

valid

[stray atlas]

jokes aside

I really hope at least the whole Lae'zel leading a rebellion against Vlaakith thing is canon

everything else from bg3 doesn't have to be, I just want Vlaakith taken down

[silk hare]

start your own campaign and make her downfall a plotpoint, there ya go XD

[stray atlas]

I meant canonically

[silk hare]

fair, also slaads?

or are those not humanoid enough for you

[stray atlas]

idk anything about them

[silk hare]

kinda giant anthropomorphic frogs

[stray atlas]

the name makes me think of sloads from tes

[silk hare]

similar to mindflayers as they implant their tadpoles in sentient beings

[knotty vine]

Didn’t a lot of humanoids lose there humanoid tag?

[silk hare]

and depending on what those sentient beings are they become a different colored slaad

[silk hare]

I think so yeah

• idk how many "humanoid"/ anthropomorphic psionic creatures even exist

I find "psyonics" to be more on the "rare" side really compared to other "niches" of monsters

yeah that doesnt seem fishy at all

[knotty vine]

I loath mind flayer because how easily they can just run away

[silk hare]

or how easily they can oneshot PCs

same for intellect devourers

I find the idea of them just teleporting into your brain cavity REALLY funny

but then again its just instant death kinda

altouhg I WILL use them on an NPC that my players will hopefully grow attached to

[knotty vine]

I feel like them teleporting away once you have there back against the wall is infinitely worse

[stray atlas]

I still really want to play a gnome ceremorph some day

no damned clue how to make it balanced

but I do

[humble cairn]

Small Sized Dhampir. Probably Aberrant Mind Sorcerer.

[silk hare]

fair, but thats like half the fun of running them lol

whats a ceremorph?

[twin chasm]

I'm trying to remember if Blues are still in lore, or if I dreamed it up, or if that's paizo stuff

[silk hare]

you mean as in the type of music?

[humble cairn]

Someone undergoing ceremorphosis, which is the process of turning into an illithid after having been implanted with an illithid tadpole.

[silk hare]

ah I see, thx!

[stray atlas]

in this context it's a side grade of a mind flayer

normally trying to turn a gnome into a mind flayer kills both the tadpole and the gnome

[silk hare]

oh interesting, where is that written? just for my info yk

[still plover]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mind_flayer

[silk hare]

thanks a lot

[stray atlas]

but specially modified tadpoles can create gnome ceremorphs which are dramatically smaller, retain most of their personality and memories from their host, are generally much more interested in tinkering than normal mind flayers, and tend to be dramatically kinder than normal mind flayers

[stray atlas]

Gnome ceremorphs are from Icewind Dale

[silk hare]

yeah found it, thx!

[stray atlas]

the ceremorphosis process can still fail on gnomes with the modified tadpoles though which creates Gnome Squidlings

[silk hare]

Im torn between wanting to use intellect devourers/gnome squidlings etc in my current campaign bc it WOULD fit the theme Im going for, but my party is nowhere NEAR being able to revive party members and for some of them its their first character

oh and also int is like the collective dump stat💀

[stray atlas]

Which are well

Basically a zombie crossed with an intellect devourer

[silk hare]

oh yeah I like the statblock

hilarious actually that they have a CR of 1/2

[stray atlas]

I find them kinda sad

[silk hare]

oh yeah absolutely, but can u imagine dropping a couple of them on a lvl 1 party xD

[stray atlas]

since they got unlucky and had their soul obliterated to make effectively a worse intellect devourer

[spring barn]

Hey all :)

[inner silo]

archhags and hags in general enjoy when others suffer and when their lives get more difficult right?

[still plover]

Sure.

[silk hare]

kinda

I mean they reproduce by eating children, think disfigurement is beatuiful and beauty is abhorrent (and try to correct it in others)

so yeah, to some extent you could say they enjoy when others suffer

[inner silo]

could an archhag theoretically make a deal with a changeling where in exchange for power the changeling can only use a disguise for a set period of time and after that the hag gets access to that disguise?

[silk hare]

up to the dm

but sounds possible sure

[still plover]

Sure.

[inner silo]

oki, thanks!

[still plover]

If this is NPC stuff, it's business as usual. If this is some kind of player character action it is mucking around, and may need a pass through #homebrew.

[inner silo]

i thought of making a changeling archfey patron where their patron who in exchange for their powers would have to change their guise every week or so, and an archhag seemed to be like the most likely archfey to do something like this

[silk hare]

yeah as long as your dm is ok with it I dont see an issue with it

be aware that its not RAW tho + depends on if your dm allows changelings at all

[leaden storm]

sup

[inner silo]

oki. I thought changelings might be op in the campaign because of how roleplay focused it is, so thought nerfing their shapeshifting in a way, would make sense

[silk hare]

the sky

[spring barn]

Changelings are in Eberron: Forge of the Artificer I believe

[hot reef]

and ERftLW and MotM for 2014

[hot reef]

Its strength depends on how common changelings are in the given setting- for civilizations aware of magical disguises or shapeshifters, it becomes quite a bit less effective.

[knotty vine]

What 💀

How do you think changling is op

[woven flint]

Advantage om Charisma checks doesn't exactly make you overpowered.
Charisma isn't mind control

[hot reef]

It's relatively underpowered in such settings, hence why it was buffed in 2024 to have advantage on charisma
And the changeling abilities are pretty much useless in combat

[still plover]

I'd like to see their wardrobe budget.

[hot reef]

And the entire thing is outclassed by a single warlock invocation (they have their pros and cons, but pretty similar purpose)

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[inner silo]

theyre quite rare in that setting as far as i know. Its for a potential replacement character as mine is in a bit of a pickle and weve only potentially heard of one changeling

[lavish flame]

Costumes work similarly, so buying a Costume works for charisma needs

[hot reef]

In that case, being a shapeshifter will feel pretty strong yeah (although it'll still vary by DM)

[inner silo]

being able to shape shift in a campaign thats about 60-70% social and roleplay stuff is quite strong

[woven flint]

Yeah, but being able to look like people doesn't give you the knowledge they have.
If people ask particularly pressing questions they can absolutely sniff you out

[knotty vine]

You know people can see them shapeshift

Its not as strong as you think

[inner silo]

ik, but its still strong

[knotty vine]

The only “strong” part is the advantage on charisma checks

The rest of it is just you can shapeshift

[woven flint]

It's good
Not necessarily strong

[inner silo]

just shape shift where people dont see you

[woven flint]

Reliable Talent is Strong, for example

[knotty vine]

That’s not always an option

[hot reef]

It doesn’t have noise like spellcasting, at least

[inner silo]

enough times for it to be good from my experience

[inner silo]

and is very hard to see through

[knotty vine]

It also depends on how smart the npcs are

[inner silo]

theres like moon beam, true sight and about it

[silk hare]

or how much your dm even plays into it

[knotty vine]

Man I wonder where “changling persona A” went

[woven flint]

Actually, Truesight can specifically only see through magical effects now

[hot reef]

It depends on the setting, but in Eberron it’s a biological function and isn’t considered magical (Kanon)

[silk hare]

its REALL dependent on your dm cooperating, which in my eyes immediately disqualifies it from "being strong"

[noble arch]

Hey im trying to guess which dragon can teleport, resurrect and shapeshift. Any clues guys?

[knotty vine]

Changeling person B “I have no clue”

[woven flint]

Shapechanging isn't inherently a magical effect anymore

[inner silo]

thats even better actually then

[knotty vine]

None hope this helps

[woven flint]

Though, there are definitely absolutely ways to figure changlings out magical and nonmagical.

[knotty vine]

There blood might be sliver or something

[woven flint]

That's kinda pushing it tbh.
That's nothing mechanical

[knotty vine]

Do changlings have normal human blood

[noble arch]

They did all of that on their human form

[silk hare]

they are fey, so fey rules may apply

[woven flint]

Nothing says they don't.

[silk hare]

or at least spells that focus on creature type are a give-away

[knotty vine]

Nothing says they do either

[woven flint]

Then it's not a thing.

If nothing is specified, it's generally not a thing.

That's dm fiat, then.

[knotty vine]

Maybe only I think of these things

[silk hare]

forgot the abbreviation again, what does "fiat" stand for again?

I get the meaning/ what you mean but forgor

[woven flint]

Nothing SAYS Changelings have to follow Fey rules either.
It's just their creature type

[hot reef]

There’s nothing mentioning non-red blood in Eberron
It’ll be the same blood as whatever humanoid form they take

[silk hare]

no I get it, more in campaign canon stuff is always nice

[silk hare]

yeah, hence the spell stuff

[still plover]

-# Everyone knows the blood of changelings reverts to its natural state when separated from the body. That's why blood screenings were so effective in rooting out infiltrators during the Dominion War.

[silk hare]

bc there are absolutely certain spells that wouldnt work on them/ would work on them

[severe rampart]

Unfortunate Changelings don't get fey ancestry

[knotty vine]

Wait what

[woven flint]

Yeah, don't forget changlings don't ONLY change themselves on Surface level.
They can indeed change things about their anatomy

[proven mountain]

Deep Space 9 reference

[woven flint]

Gender for one example

[lavish flame]

They presumably have red blood, as they still need to breathe and stuff. As a fun nod, I might make their blood react negatively to fire, like The Thing.

[severe rampart]

... where do I sign up /j

[silk hare]

I mean thats no argument bc chemistry and physics in dnd are moot

• hermit crabs exist

[still plover]

A: he's on about Star Trek again
2: they weren't effective at all, it was a lie the changelings shared
And thirdly, as always, your table may vary.

[severe rampart]

Huh, that's a fun fact

[silk hare]

sry horseshoe crabs

[lavish flame]

im struggling to understand this message's relevance to mine

[silk hare]

cant even get my facts straight

[knotty vine]

I’m gonna turn your blood golden

[silk hare]

how is breathing related to red blood?

could be silver or green or purple

[woven flint]

Scrying someone is also a pretty good way to find out there's an imposter as well

(Meaning, you scry the person you're actually thinking you're talking to and would find them in a different location)

[severe rampart]

Hemoglobin

[silk hare]

exactly, works bc of chemistry and physics irl, whicha re moot in dnd

[lavish flame]

oxygenated blood in Humans is redder, isn't it? Changelings still need to breathe so I figured itd be the same

[silk hare]

same as dna, metabolism, carbon, how carbon is broken down/extended, chemical reactions etc

[woven flint]

Only the Crown of Lies is absolute deception against even divination

[hot reef]

Casually casts a 5th level spell to determine if they’re a changeling or not

[woven flint]

The point is. It's one of MANY ways.

[knotty vine]

Spoilers!

[silk hare]

yeah, irl, but that has a basis in physics and chemistry, and if you get into that you would have to consider A LOT of things, but since dnd isnt a physics sim, theres no point going there

[lavish flame]

the point was the fun thought exercise

[woven flint]

It's not a spoiler?

Pointing out that its a spoiler to something and what that something would be is a spoiler.

[severe rampart]

You forget, D&D players don't like fun /j

[silk hare]

fair enough, just wanted to point out thats not a req in dnd👍

[woven flint]

Which I didn't do.

[knotty vine]

I hate fun

[woven flint]

I just mentioned
The Crown of Lies.
It's literally an
"If you know, you know"

[lavish flame]

anyways. I think its reasonable if Changelings have weird blood relative to other species.

[indigo osprey]

Is it possible for a hexblade warlock to get mastery over a weapon?

[knotty vine]

I thought there blood was just always sliver

[inner silo]

tbh that could actually be a more interesting balancing mechanic

[knotty vine]

What does that even mean

[lavish flame]

If thats blue blood or green blood or acidic blood or metallic blood, whatever. I figure these are basically alien species that occupy the same planet so they can be weird

[silk hare]

you can always multiclass...

[woven flint]

I think it's reasonable that since changlings can absolutely just fine tune things about their anatomy, they could probably also cover up what their blood looks like
But not it's type

[severe rampart]

Man, Changelings are the best

[indigo osprey]

Ahh so the answers no. Rip

[hot reef]

Weapon Master feat methinks

[knotty vine]

Aasmiar’s have golden blood in my eyes

[silk hare]

I mean depends on what you mean by "mastery"

[indigo osprey]

Like- weapons mastery.

[severe rampart]

Should be only when they're transformed imo

[knotty vine]

Unless you muticlass or grab a feat no

[silk hare]

I think theres a feat that gives you some, or were those fighting maneuvers

I always mix them up ....

[hot reef]

Weapon Master feat gives it

[indigo osprey]

Ah thank you

[lavish flame]

i figure they could do that within them, but once the blood is spilled its no longer in their control. I'm also of the belief that a Changeling loses its mimicked form once it dies.

[woven flint]

If a Changling can literally go from Female anatomy to male anatomy to even being completely generous, I'd assume they can arrange their internal structures

[hot reef]

Martial Adept is for maneuvers

[silk hare]

not the ichor

[hot reef]

Yeah, they can

[severe rampart]

But the most efficient way is by starting with fighter and then just adding your Hexblade warlock

[sharp geyser]

I gotta question, do people like the vibe changes that orcs got in 5.5e? From being less “monstrous” and more approachable as playable race?

[woven flint]

It's also not specifically a written thing that changelings have different blood color from other humanoid creatures, so, again, it's just fiat.

[severe rampart]

Fighters at level one get a fighting style, weapon mastery, and second wind

[silk hare]

thx, yeah I do mix those up quite a lot lol

[still plover]

Not a bother at all. My orcs have always had range to be valiant or villains.

[silk hare]

what does fiat stand for again?

[indigo osprey]

Nah. Doesn't make sense for his character yet. Might multiclass later

[silk hare]

yeah very much

[still plover]

DM's choice, basically.

[silk hare]

I dont particularly like the species stereotypes/ class locks in 2014 tbh

[woven flint]

Fiat is basically saying it's up to a persons whim or decision wether something is or isn't a thing

[hot reef]

I don’t like how they did it, and then proceeded to do the opposite for other races
It’s purely so it can be a core race and isn’t consistent with other playable races like goblins, which they pushed further from humanoids by switching them to fey

[silk hare]

yeah that much I know, was just curios as to what the letters stand for xD

[umbral girder]

Yep

[woven flint]

Fiat is a Latin term meaning
"Let it be done"

[sharp geyser]

See I like that too, my perception of orcs came from Warcraft so I like the chill noble orc like Thrall and such

[silk hare]

ight, good to know thanks xD

[sharp geyser]

I guess I’ve seen videos and clips of older DnD players kind of lamenting about how they got “de-fanged”

[woven flint]

It's a fun little factoid :]

[silk hare]

true that, I love my little factoids :))))

[silk hare]

I mean you can still 100% play them the way they were back then

[hot reef]

Similar case with Drow and goblinoids too

[severe rampart]

I think something that made me hate stereotypes of D&D classes 1000% is because of an Orc Barbarian that I played with who's whole personality was "I EAT BOOK".

[hot reef]

It should be up to the table to decide how evil/good any group of people are, so I prefer the encouragement of choice by official sources

[silk hare]

agreed

[silk hare]

I personally am jsut a bit fed up with "muscle character"/"strong character" dumb as a brick

[lean wigeon]

most martial characters i've made so far have had pretty high INT/WIS (or equivalent stat) because i really don't like the whole "dumb martial" trope and also so i actually have a stake in social encounters

[severe rampart]

For context, our backstories were tied together, I was a human artificer and we were the "brains and the brawn"... The problem was their character was basically just a joke that consists of "me loud so me funny"

[silk hare]

bc somehow thats always the go to

[silk hare]

yeahhh, exactly stuff like that can grow annoying fast imo

[hot reef]

I prefer choice over hard fact
I prefer hard fact over omission

[sharp geyser]

The brain is indeed a muscle after all

[lean wigeon]

never had a character whose INT has been in the negatives

[woven flint]

The first Orc I ever played was a Mercy Monk.
He came from a peaceful orcish village that was attacked due to miscommunication. A lot of his people and family perished.
He was injured, but he ended up collapsing at the steps of a monastery and was taken in

[severe rampart]

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind martials being a little dumb, it can be funny at times... just not all the time.

[lean wigeon]

i played a smart barbarian character in PF2e once

[sharp geyser]

Or not, I’m not a doctor

[silk hare]

(not really no, but sure xD)

[feral fulcrum]

Blame pop culture being addicted to outdated (And generally) offensive, exaggerated tropes

Where the Big Guy with BIG MUSCLES is 9/10 times dumber then a box of rocks

[normal junco]

its a side effect of needing to balance stats for mechanical reasons in this game. different classes need different focus. and you can't have a beefy and super smart character without having some other drawbacks

[silk hare]

yeah its so infuriating, especially if that character is the protagonist

and somehow its not even only "muscly" characters anymore, but any protag that is somewhat strong

they always gotta be dumb as bricks

[woven flint]

I loved him
He wasn't afraid to fight, but he never killed
His name was Yurukarth

[sharp geyser]

Tbf I like my comfort himbo tho

[silk hare]

I mean ability scores dont dictate how u play a character

[sharp geyser]

Looking at Grog from LoVM

[silk hare]

just the outcome of rolls, so they might be stage nervous or sth

theres a billion narrative reasons to make up for the fact that your rolls in a certain stat are worse than they "should" be

[somber rain]

Ty

[stable island]

I have a Barbarian with good INT but low CHA; she's smart but also extremely blunt. We once went into a tavern to tell the patron that his father had died, so the exchange went thus:

BARTENDER: Hello, how can I help you?
BARBARIAN: Your dad's dead.

[noble cave]

if i am dropping from 60 feet can i use my action to hit a target to negate fall damage and transfering my kinetic energy to my attack

[silk hare]

using what exactly?

[woven flint]

I do hate that the Orcish Pantheon is just kinda.. 100% irrevocably evil still

Even the Dark Seladrine has a good Deity 😭

[noble cave]

greatsword

[silk hare]

bc RAW, no you absolutely cant + kinetic energy isnt a thing in dnd

[lean wigeon]

i disagree, i think attributes need to have narrative weight to them and have to be true in the fiction

[valid geyser]

no. closest you get is a rule that says if you fall on something fall damage is split between both parties

[noble cave]

if it isnt a thing then why do we take fall damage

[silk hare]

I mean if u run it like that most classes will play exactly the same over time, but u do u

[silk hare]

magic

[woven flint]

I've always had a soft spot for Orcs

[noble cave]

aoh i see so if i fall on a target will i take 3d6 damage and the creature will take 3d6 dmg

[lean wigeon]

minecraft mace 😭

[noble cave]

exactly

[feral fulcrum]

Personally I'd prefer more people like ALEXANDER ARMSTRONG.

[noble cave]

i wanna try it with my echo tp

[valid geyser]

not exactly. It's 6d6 divided by two

[noble cave]

i see tysm

[lean wigeon]

that's the hot muscular guy in FMA is he?

[normal junco]

the Orc i'm playing is quite strong, and quite dumb. but instead of being a block of muscle i've got him being very tall and lanky. i know i leaned a whole lot into the trope. he's a barbarian, but generally pretty chill. grew up on a farm, fairly well mannered, often taken advantage of because he's dumb. joined a military unit where they generally only trust him to carry bodies to get incinerated, or run errands. he can't even read. and rather than wanting to prove himself or anything like that, he's generally okay with being who he is. his party motivation in Call of the Netherdeep is that there's somebody who is lost and trapped and scared. and everybody more or less deserves to find their way home. its a very simple motivation, but one that just feels like it could be universally understood.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes. Big, Goofy, frightfully smart.

[noble cave]

and is there like any slams in dnd ? wwe style xD

[severe rampart]

as long as it's not "I eat book."

[feral fulcrum]

And with a heart ten times the size of his muscles

[severe rampart]

Tavern Brawler

[silk hare]

RAW not really, u can absolutely flavor stuff as wwe slams tho

[noble cave]

which class ?

[severe rampart]

Monk with Tavern Brawler probably

[valid geyser]

thats kind of in the realm of flavoring stuff like grappling and unarmed combat

[silk hare]

its a feat

[noble cave]

tyty

[severe rampart]

Fighting Style

[noble cave]

i see

[severe rampart]

(Not correcting you, just saying the name of it cough)

[lean wigeon]

the kobold paladin i'm playing rn is sort of like that, just without the "big" part

[silk hare]

maybe, but also a feat

[somber rain]

I wanna play a tiefling sorcerer bard

[severe rampart]

Fun

I recently killed a tiefling bard and a human sorcerer

[noble cave]

is a gem ancestory dragon born good on bear totem barbarian ?

[silk hare]

what subclass are u thinking?

[silk hare]

2014 or 2024?

[noble cave]

2014

[silk hare]

also what do mean by "good"?

[noble cave]

i mean is the psychic resistance worth it

[silk hare]

but yeah its a decent option in terms of ability score distribution

[somber rain]

Divine sorcerer thingy & lore bard

[silk hare]

uh sounds nice

[feral fulcrum]

Any Race is good on any class.

[somber rain]

?

[noble cave]

thats not true

[valid geyser]

party member in a newer game of mine is doing some weird jumping attack monk build, but i also don't think he knows how the build works, or if he's doing it right
i noticed that he just never put in subclass features. Also he's jumping like, 60 feet in the air? I really don't know how he's doing that

[severe rampart]

Now I wanna build a Dance Bard jester...

[silk hare]

probably not, psychic damage isnt that common imo

[noble cave]

that is an absolute lie dude

[silk hare]

I like divine sorcerers is all

[cedar bane]

harengon? or the jump spell

[feral fulcrum]

Lol, no it is not a lie.

[humble cairn]

Absolutely.

[somber rain]

U said “nice” with such..distain

[umbral girder]

Jump spell + Monk’s Step of the Wind maybe?

[noble cave]

the thing is my dm is mad on me for min maxing so i think he is going for a psychic type enemy TuT

[silk hare]

its true in 2024, bc you dont get the ASIs from your race anymore

[valid geyser]

something harengon, but wouldn't that only be like, 15 feet? 30 with step of the wind?

[somber rain]

What did i do to you 😭

[silk hare]

ah, the written medium, wasnt intended lol

[noble cave]

im a 2014 player so mb

[cedar bane]

there are some who are better with some classes but it doesnt really matter

[valid geyser]

also he couldnt do both the harengon hop and step of the wind

[silk hare]

nah all good

[feral fulcrum]

Even in 2014 your Racial ASI's stopped mattering halfway through it's lifecycle

[crimson gulch]

flexible level 1 asi has been a rule for a long time even in 2014

[cedar bane]

harengon, jump spell, step of the wind?

[severe rampart]

Tasha's?

[noble cave]

it does dude

[silk hare]

I mean picking a dragon born is hardly min-maxing

[noble cave]

wdym

[severe rampart]

Tasha's.

[noble cave]

true

[feral fulcrum]

It don't my guy/

[silk hare]

as long as you picked custom lineage

[severe rampart]

regardless of any species you pick, you can choose one stat to increase by 2 and another by 1

[silk hare]

wait until you find out about winged tiefling, custom lineage and variant human....

[crimson gulch]

all of the races in Mordenkaines guide to the multiverse say pick your stat boost yourself, the custom origin rules from Tashas allow that for any race

[noble cave]

never played that

[bronze wave]

Looks at my previous racial choices 😔

[valid geyser]

I know he's not casting jump. And I'm sure he's misreading something

[severe rampart]

it's 5e expanded rules iirc?

[silk hare]

same tho

[crimson gulch]

the expanded rules are great

[noble cave]

mhm

[severe rampart]

yeah what Urizt said

[silk hare]

I mean yeah but the prerequisite is that your dm allows all that

[feral fulcrum]

Uh, no. Plenty of races had "When determining your character’s ability scores, increase one score by 2 and increase a different score by 1, or increase three different scores by 1"

[noble cave]

i see

[silk hare]

yeah but not PHB

[valid geyser]

i do wonder if this is like, some dndshorts build he made. The guy was my DM for a bit and he was fun but i don't think he's super duper knowledgable on player rules

[severe rampart]

I loveee that flavor is free

[feral fulcrum]

Again, halfway through 2014's lifecycle, keyword Halfway it stopped mattering.

[noble cave]

but i love the half-orc for relentless endurance and crit fishing

[silk hare]

as long as tashas/mmom was allowed yeah

[thorn wedge]

Id ask the dm to check the build or just ask how they were jumping so high/often.

[silk hare]

wdym?

[thorn wedge]

Id say it’s likely they have misused a rule but you never know

[valid geyser]

i might ask eventually, but i also know hes very excited about the build, so i dont wanna just ruin his fun and invalidate his build.

[cedar bane]

yeah might be a weird idea with how they think jump height works (god knows no one does)

[thorn wedge]

There’s a plague of quirky builds that get passed around online that usually break the rules or ignore them wholesale

[silk hare]

thats actually so real, even worse if you combine high and long jumps

[silk hare]

oh yeah like the "break soundbarrier" monk that doesnt get the difference between speed and movement

[vestal drum]

I think this is a more of a lighthearted question/discussion so Im asking here.
Given how Simulacrum's cant take short/long rests, does that mean they can get exhuasted and die?

[cedar bane]

one of the only things in the game like at all that uses your score instead of your modifier, AND your height

[cedar bane]

i dont think they need to eat, drink, or sleep. so no?

they cant reduce exhaustion if they got it from something else though

[silk hare]

ngl, did not know that

[knotty vine]

I wish that

[silk hare]

bc ewwww jump rules xD

[knotty vine]

The remastered battle rager was good

[tough sandal]

Adventures in Faerun has already proven to be a great resource for me.
I'm repurposing one adventure for my LV 14 party. <3

[vestal drum]

oooo, right, they are constructs

[feral fulcrum]

Counterspelled at 9th level

[knotty vine]

I passed the con save

[cedar bane]

counterspelled your counterspell. make your wish tasha

[vestal drum]

is this a 2024 or 2014 ruling?

[silk hare]

exhaustion, apart from certain spells/features is mostly dm fiat anyway, sooo

[valid geyser]

i dont think anything says they dont need to, so i think that means they do

[feral fulcrum]

Booo

[silk hare]

yeah its more so implied and not stated, u are right

[vestal drum]

Simularcums are considered constructs. Given how most constructs, it can be implied that they dont eat or drink or sleep or breath

[knotty vine]

New counter spell

[cedar bane]

i dont think theres a specific statement yeah but as its an illusion i assume not

[valid geyser]

no? features arent inherent to creature type

[cedar bane]

now the real question is, do they need to use the bathroom

[knotty vine]

That is kinda true

[vestal drum]

is there any constructs that eat tho?

[feral fulcrum]

Why do people always go there.

[knotty vine]

As new dhampiers do need to breathe

[azure bluff]

hey everyone

[silk hare]

depends on your pov, bc its not explicitly stated in either case

[knotty vine]

But I still don’t think a simi doesn’t need to eat drink sleep or breathe

[valid geyser]

modrons i think

[azure bluff]

how are you all doing today?

[still plover]

When you've got to go, you've got to go.

[feral fulcrum]

Mods, smite that man.

[cedar bane]

such a fun feature i hate they removed

never comes up but boy when it does

[noble cave]

i have another question regarding my echo TuT

[knotty vine]

No your echo isn’t effected by fire ball

[still plover]

What is it, and why is your echo named TuT?

[silk hare]

shoot

[vestal drum]

did everyone claim that new free content on DND:B?

[silk hare]

I think thats supposed some type of emoji like "O.o"

[cedar bane]

have you asked it? echoes tend to respond back to you

[vestal drum]

i wonder if i can post a link for DnDBeyond

[silk hare]

you can yeah

[rapid island]

I am trying to build a character on d&d beyond. The text says I can choose proficiency in Insight, Perception, or Survival, but the drop down box only has Insight and Survival as options. Anyone else had that problem?

[cedar bane]

theres a command or smth for free content

[vestal drum]

oh

[cedar bane]

do you have perception from some other feature?

[valid geyser]

you probably already have perception proficiency

[noble cave]

if i perform an upper cut as my attack and send the target in air towards my echo and use unleash echo and like telepethically tell it to slam the target downwards and thrust my greatsword in its stomach with action surge ?? will any of this deal extra damage

[rapid island]

Ahhh. Lol. Makes sense

[cedar bane]

seeing as thats entirely flavour: idk ask your dm

[silk hare]

RAW no, unless you throw them high enough for fall damage

[noble cave]

like a noob saibot combo type shi

[valid geyser]

you can't really uppercut a creature to send them upward

[noble cave]

can i like throw them normally ?

[tough sandal]

Man I hate when discord doesn't autoscroll down.

[silk hare]

some of them if they are "small" enough, but u cannot attack them in the same turn usually (at least at lower lvls)

[valid geyser]

also i forget if this is just an assumption but most pushing features don't assume you can push them directly upward

[cedar bane]

you can try, the shove actions exists though

[silk hare]

• the throw wouldnt be high/ long enough to deal extra damage

[cedar bane]

i think youd be able to shove them into your echo and have the echo attack

[silk hare]

I think most of them RAW still allow you to do so

[noble cave]

i see

[silk hare]

remember dnd isnt a physics sim

[noble cave]

i am sry i am just trying some foolish combos

[silk hare]

nah all good, thats what this channel is for

[noble cave]

ok 😢

[feral fulcrum]

Well, technically speaking, you can. You'd just have to be directly under then (And thus flying), and using any of the knockback inducing features/spells

[cedar bane]

always fun to try, but its probably best to ask your dm directly for flavour/wacky stuff like that

seeing as theyre the one who can actually allow it

[noble cave]

i see

[silk hare]

depending on the "push length" not even directly under them

e.g. for those that mention "away from you", since up diagonally is "away"

iirc technically you could also just make them go upward for that kind of stuff but could be wrong

[valid geyser]

assuming away just means straight away from you, i guess if you were at an angle

[silk hare]

even then, as long as "away" is not explicitly defined, both could work, but somewhat up to the dm Ig or thats sth for #dnd-rules xD

[shut lance]

I don't like that change. Each race should be set, to show what they are good at. Of course if I was dming I would allow separate picking for someone to be an outlier as it isn't a huge deal.

But if someone is playing a dwarf they are GENERALLY good at con.

Maybe the compromise of SUGGESTED stat mods

[valid geyser]

i guess it depends on the feature itself. They all use different language
Barbarians having stuff like

The target is pushed 15 feet straight away from you.
whereas psi knights have
you can give the target the Prone condition or transport it up to 10 feet horizontally.

[silk hare]

I mean sure thats your opinion, I like the genera idea of people being able to pick and you as the dm can still define certain racial traits for the npcs

[silk hare]

Id agree for this that "straight away" cant be up unless you are under them

[shut lance]

Fair enough. I am not so rigid I won't allow people to decide how their character is

[silk hare]

but yeah wording is often very goofy and not consistent

[silk hare]

yeah, the outcome is the same, just different approaches Ig

[hot reef]

imo all races should just have +2/+1 or +1/+1/+1 option, and it shouldn't be tied to anything
no reliance on custom backgrounds

[proper forum]

I was disappointed that the changelings don't have enough lore in 5E so I made my own. Still doesn't fix the part that they don't have any canon lore.

[shut lance]

I used the generic gnome mods for my swashbuckler. Even if intelligence only really effects skills and saves

I am flavoring it by making special ammo for his sling like smoke bombs or flares

[hot reef]

They do, it's just in Eberron since that's the setting they're from, and it's mainly about their place in society
they have an origin myth too, but that's smaller

[shut lance]

thus using the INt

[proper forum]

I'd yap about ot but I'm supposed to be doing something else

[shut lance]

ah crap got to change server icon

[valid geyser]

I just wish level 1 ASIs were tied to class instead of species or background. I dont like much that there are optimal backgrounds

[proper forum]

But what if we're not playing Eberron and I want to play a changeling? What then?

[peak pecan]

There’s the version from Monsters of the Multiverse

[hot reef]

I deal in Eberron, but they are a race that was meant for Eberron originally ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proper forum]

That has barely any lore

[proper forum]

Yeah bro I can read your name. And I appreciate the intake but you did not answer my original question.

[shut lance]

in older editions mongrelmen were created as spies , but ended up not working right.

I am sure some wizard could have messed with doppelgangers and ther eis a small tribe of changelings.- Ask the dm, work with them. Make lore

[valid geyser]

Changelings in eberron have lore. If you're wanting an origin story you won't find a concrete answer, since it's kind of part of the point that they have unknown origins. Also mysteries is part of the deal. It's up to the person running the game what the answer is in their eberron, if they want it to be defined at all

[hot reef]

They started in Eberron, where they're grounded in the setting
Then they were ported over because they were popular I'm assuming
Of course, they won't have as much lore outside where they originate from, so it's totally acceptable to make it up, and I would recommend looking at parts from Eberron if you want to flesh it out

[shut lance]

In my next campaign I am stealing the cave tavern from 7 deadly sins for a tavern Errol performed

[proper forum]

And personally I like the idea of them being trickster fey more than the idea of them being inherently evil spies and asassins

[still plover]

Alternatively they can say no, sorry, they're not included. Please pick again. Just to nail my colours to the mast, as it were.

[shut lance]

Shifters are easy to slot in, I would allow changelings

[proper forum]

Because how can a species be inherently evil? Is it even possible for someone to be evil from birth, because of theor race no less? I don't think it is.

[valid geyser]

theyre not inherently evil. I dont think anything said that, and i think thats part of the point of eberron that no humanoids are inherently evil

[shut lance]

I think the only races I would ban may be flying ones. Because of the easy skip over traps, and having to rearrange creatures to be able to be a threat when they fly

character ground bound without magiv or device feels more natural

[silk hare]

I mean "evil" is always subjective

[severe rampart]

You can always just... make flying traps

[silk hare]

eating other "humans" would be considered evil for humnas, but might just be necessity for another species

[still plover]

Ah, the videogame Prey examines this question. Although it's less malicious evil and more danger by ignorance.

[shut lance]

I could. My dm did not, we had 2 flying characters and they cheesed things so bad we ended up in only 10 foot high rooms/passages

[silk hare]

yeah, tripwires etc dont have to ba at floor height

[severe rampart]

could've talked to the DM

[hot reef]

I believe a subset of doppelgangers were at one point mostly evil (fulfilling the role of spies/assassins), but the only thing that ties changelings to evil is societal/religious views, and they're not inherently more evil or anything

[still plover]

Weirdly communal-minded among themselves in a way that comes off as totally selfish to outsiders, or something?

[shut lance]

thats on them, @severe rampart I suggested some nets for air traps but he had enough on his plate at the time, running an npc rogue because NOONE PICKED A ROGUE. Once my cleric got to a good level, I multiclassed to ease the strain

(and then resurrected the dead npc at the end)

[silk hare]

sounds like a character idea

[still plover]

Lucky no enemies had bows. Or slings. Or javelins. Or firebolts. Or any ranged capabilities at all?

[inner silo]

right, mb

[proper forum]

Oh and here's another thing I was going to mention: how can an entire civilization be evil? I don't think that is possible either. There is no good and evil cultures, just different cultures with different traditions, and one may seem evil to the other based on their conventions. But that's it.

[hot reef]

changelings? yeah, they can be, I don't remember if it's an instinct to live a certain way or if it emerges naturally as they explore shapechanging. There are several ways which changelings can interpret/live with their abilities

[shut lance]

I like the Idea. Mine in a one shot is neutral, selfish but leans good. It's (a plasmoid, so no gender) patron is literally Caine from TADC

[valid geyser]

changelings don't have an organized society. Not in many thousands of years

[scenic zinc]

In my opinion, he shouldn't have filled that hole with that npc.

[shut lance]

pact of the chain. I have an imp Bubble

[hot reef]

Yeah, that's a whole can of worms
Just run whatever's best for you/your table imo

[silk hare]

yeah, give alternatives to the party, let them get creative to avoid traps

[shut lance]

Thats fair, but he is a forever dm really and wanted to play some too

[strong wave]

Tell that to the dominion

[shut lance]

my brain doesn't work for memory or focus at times

medical issues

[scenic zinc]

Huh? Pretty wild take given there's very clear evidence in real life that shows there have been objective evil societies.

[hot reef]

I agree with this, and am certainly not a community of changelings masquerading as a single individual

[feral fulcrum]

Evil and Good are entirely Subjective things with no Objective, Baked into Reality meaning that can be distilled like math.

[proper forum]

To me it sounds more that they tend to stay among themselves because they're a marginalized community. They tend to stay within their own group and be suspicious of outsiders because they have faced racial prejudice by those outsiders, as it has happened with many marginalized groups.

[hot reef]

not in the world of D&D, for some reason

[feral fulcrum]

Mind you, this doesn't apply to D&D, but like Evil and Good are not laws of reality IRL.

They're entirely subjective social constructs.

[valid geyser]

Changelings are no different than warforged and shifters. Society made them into something for what their origins are. Hell shifters and changelings are both victims of genocides, albeit shifters are from a relatively recent religious genocide while changelings were forced into disaspora thousands of years ago and mistrust and fear keeps them like that

[scenic zinc]

Absolutely not.

[proper forum]

But then it wasn't the society that was evil, it was an evil leader, a mortal man, who convinced them all through control to be evil. If you are talking about real life, that is.

[feral fulcrum]

You're free to be wrong.

[scenic zinc]

There are objectively good and objectively evil things that exist.

[silk hare]

such as?

[scenic zinc]

No. It was not a singular person. It never is.

[hot reef]

societal/moral subjectivity/objectivity debate : D

[proper forum]

Man as in human. Evil and power are not exclusive to males.

[silk hare]

bc everything you will/can name are looked at through the lense of your upbringin, societal norms and moral standards

[scenic zinc]

Genocide is objectively evil.

[silk hare]

genozide on what and who exactly

bc genozide on invasive species to stabilize ecosystems is sth that is actively done

[empty thicket]

But what if you are killing an invasive kind of creatures that harm a ecosystem?

[shut lance]

I don't like objective evil and good for npcs and pcs.

alignment is fluid, and there are always outliers. If an orc tribe is mostly evil there may still be one that is kind hearted.

Like that one drow city ran based on magic- not matrirachal

[twin chasm]

We're getting into an Aristotelean vs German Materialist thing in here, this is gonna get ugly

[proper forum]

Anyways, I got the information I wanted, I will now go back to what I was doing

[valid geyser]

is genocide an action done by an entire society or is it done by a group or singular person?

[proper forum]

And I think it would be best for the conversation to be over

[scenic zinc]

Y'all are wild to be arguing on the pro-genocide side

[silk hare]

please lets not get into definitions of stuff here😭

[shut lance]

agreed.

[proper forum]

Can we change the topic please?

[silk hare]

I agree that what you mean is wrong, but its still not "objective" as per definition

[hot reef]

"with one swing, I killed 200,000."
Single person to elevate their BBEG status

[silk hare]

same as "following the letter of the law" isnt technically always "good"

[empty thicket]

Nuke strahd or make him be trapped the rest of his immortal life

[minor cargo]

Maybe we should go backwards and restate the topic. ✌️

I think there was something valuable going on, but yes, it's difficult to talk about genocide without emotions spiralling wildly.

(Not to say people shouldn't be talking about genocide. I just think the framing is important... especially if we're on a D&D server?)

[proper forum]

Is strahd hot

[shut lance]

speaking of Ravenloft, I am LOVING that Innsmouth is a realm in there now

[silk hare]

yeah you are 100% right

[scenic zinc]

It's objective in the sense that actually matters - reality. Lived human experience.

[valid geyser]

I for one was just arguing validity of the statement, as in if "Societies can be objectively evil" directly leads into "Genocide is objectively evil"

[silk hare]

I should probably read up on strahd and ravenloft

[proper forum]

Guys is strahd hot

This is an important question

[feral fulcrum]

No, he's a loser.

[silk hare]

if you go by that standard a lot of things are not the way they should be/ laws wouldnt work but yeah

[molten glade]

It's a question with a subjective answer