dnd-discussion

[undone rain]

Like you dont wanna remake fighter

[reef tundra]

I quite like the lineup of classes at my tables, 6 full casters, 6 martials, and 4 half casters, nice clean number

[severe rampart]

Charisma Full Caster :)

[undone rain]

But sorcerer

[reef tundra]

Adding another to the huge pile? I actually wouldn't mind that

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[reef tundra]

Bard, warlock and sorcerer, the charismatic trio of casters

[severe rampart]

Give me Charisma or give me death

[cobalt owl]

Insert millions of chairs meme

[undone rain]

Oh yeah charismas the biggest spell focus stat

[lavish flame]

people constantly ask for 4e Warlord in 5e, I figure you could make a second Fighter

[cobalt owl]

Men in black suit up meme

[reef tundra]

+paladin for 4. I'm sure we can do with a few more
-# I added another, my Battleblood class uses charisma

[cobalt owl]

Spiderman point at each other meme

[undone rain]

Eldritch knight charisma caster when

[cobalt owl]

Ok thats enough.

[severe rampart]

Need more Charisna casters

[undone rain]

How were they

[reef tundra]

At this point I've stopped being afraid of new martial classes being "something that can just be a fighter subclass" because that can go for so many of the other classes

[severe rampart]

Bards are amazing, Sorcerers are amazing, Warlocks are amazing, Paladins are... paladins are okay I guess

[reef tundra]

So yeah, more "second fighters" is something I am up for too

[undone rain]

What you say

[reef tundra]

I will end you

[severe rampart]

They're okay

[reef tundra]

-# You are entitled to your opinion and I can respect it

[severe rampart]

They're like a 6/10

[reef tundra]

But lack of subjective wording wounds me

[still plover]

"I didn't make him for you!"

[reef tundra]

They are amazing too, for me

[severe rampart]

Maybe if I get to it I can build another paladin

[reef tundra]

-# In fact, they are so amazing to me that they're my favourite class

[empty thicket]

wont compare at all casters with hybrids

[severe rampart]

Maybe I'll make John Farmer into a Paladin

[empty thicket]

Warlock is nice, different playstyle
Sorc is funny, can do so funny things with hte spells
Bard is a meme, love it too

[undone rain]

Restrain my hands before i get the greatsword (jk you can like whatever you want)

[empty thicket]

it wasnt a fighter?

[buoyant frost]

Is the arcane archer fighter subclass really even worth playing folks?

[reef tundra]

Although fr I find all classes amazing
-# I am not talking about optimising, and even then none of them are "bad" unless either the player or DM is messing something up

[severe rampart]

They were a fighter, that's why I said maybe

[reef tundra]

Supposedly not, but I don't care I love the feel

[severe rampart]

I just prefer spellcasting, yup

Well, don't get me wrong, Valor Bard is also fantastic

[undone rain]

I honestly think ranger isnt THAT bad. They do their job just fine

[reef tundra]

And that's valid! And I appreciate the wording here

[severe rampart]

Ranger is amazing at low levels

[reef tundra]

Rangers are peak and I will die on this hill

[reef tundra]

I was gonna argue that they're good at high levels too but I ain't getting into an optimising debate

[severe rampart]

No no, my opinions are the utter truth and everyone has the same opinions as I do >:( /j

[undone rain]

Right?

[reef tundra]

There we are, that's more like it! /j

[severe rampart]

Should I make a Paladin?

[undone rain]

I never realized paladins were quite hated tbh. Or rather disliked. Not targeted to you echo

[empty thicket]

okey okey

[reef tundra]

I think if you don't like them, you don't have to

[empty thicket]

if not a barbarian

[severe rampart]

Then again... Sorcerers... Fighters... bards.

[severe rampart]

I wanna try 'em, you never know

My mind might change

[reef tundra]

I actually think that the majority of dnd players are positive about it, I just think the negative people are more vocal

[undone rain]

I suppose they just dont like being goody two shoes

[severe rampart]

John Farmer as a Paladin... hehe

[reef tundra]

I'm starting to believe that about a lot of dnd opinions. I've seen many other small servers, and many people irl, and tbh I have never once seen any of the negative consesuses I've seen here and on reddit and youtube

[hot marlin]

Thing is, the 5e paladin is a different beast. In previous editions however, horror stories often involved a paladin

[reef tundra]

My friend who had been playing for almost ten years wasn't even aware that people online talk about a "martials and casters divide"

[hot marlin]

There's a relatively complex history, often including baby orcs.

[reef tundra]

So I've heard. Iirc, they had to be lawful good?

[hot marlin]

Yes.

And weren't allowed to collaborate with evil people.

[reef tundra]

Holy hell

[undone rain]

Paladins also unfortunatley dont have the best rep cuz of SOME people

[severe rampart]

I've never actually had my character die before

[hot marlin]

The result was that the paladin was... Basically a killjoy, and DMs often created situations designed to make the paladin break their oath

[reef tundra]

Tbh if every class was held to their stereotypes they'd all be terrible

[severe rampart]

Who knows, maybe John Farmer is gonna sacrifice himself at a great battle (like a true paladin)

[reef tundra]

The only class I've seen that doesn't have an inherently annoying and negative stereotype is fighter from what I've seen

[severe rampart]

The only one I know is "Oh the Human Fighter? How generic."

[steady sentinel]

Honestly 3.5 classes with the ex class is brutal especially with the monk

[fair plinth]

What do yall think of the summon spells like summon fey or undead

[severe rampart]

They're okay

[reef tundra]

I like them but apprently they're either mid or bad

[gritty totem]

fun but preferred the old conjure animals

[reef tundra]

But Idc

I say screw optimal and pick what you find fun

-# Although ofc there can be some overlap, it is valid to enjoy optimising

[severe rampart]

What's a good name for a Farmer...

[fair plinth]

I want to take one but idk if its worth it over other spells as a warlock

[reef tundra]

-# I am not saying it's invalid to enjoy optimising I'm just saying that I think it's bad to discourage choices that people might find fun for the sake of power

[severe rampart]

Don John N. Duragon

[reef tundra]

Darryl

[severe rampart]

I'm laughing at my own stupid joke

[reef tundra]

It was a peak joke

[undone rain]

Farmer John

[turbid vessel]

John Farm

[severe rampart]

Full name Don John N. Duragon, "But my friends call me John."

[undone rain]

Perfect

[turbid vessel]

need a hidden dragon NPC in your game? just name their humanoid alter "john dragon." nobody would expect the guy named dragon to actually be a dragon, it's too obvious

[severe rampart]

What Oath would a Farmer even have😭

I have written myself into a corner

[turbid vessel]

Oath of Vengeance against frackers

[gritty totem]

oath of devotion to the plants

[turbid vessel]

oath of the ancients, self explanatory

[severe rampart]

Oath of Glory, they want to make their ma and pa proud

[turbid vessel]

oath of the noble genie, they have to make a monthly feast for their genie patron

[errant crag]

Oath of the Ancients

[reef tundra]

I kinda... did that, but with a Hydra. I named the guy "Avydra", pronounced "Ahv-eye-dra"

[gritty totem]

peak

[reef tundra]

And the player's didn't even realise until he finally revealed his true form 😭

[severe rampart]

I don't... I don't get it... I'm stupid

[reef tundra]

I thought for sure they would have clocked it after the second meeting

[reef tundra]

Oath of the ancients is the druid-themed subclass

[gritty totem]

Paladins who swear this oath cherish the light; they love the beautiful and life-giving things of the world more than any principles of honor, courage and justice. They often adorn their armor and clothing with images of growing things - leaves, antlers, or flowers - to reflect their commitment to preserving life and light.

[severe rampart]

Okay! Thank you

[fair plinth]

Oathbreaker, they stopped being devoted to go live a peaceful life /j

[gritty totem]

also plant growth at level 9

[reef tundra]

Now that I think about it I should finish both classes so they can be used in t3 and 4

[snow helm]

Hi i,m new

[gritty totem]

hello

[snow helm]

I,m doing a campaing so does anybody want to play

[severe rampart]

It feels so wrong to have 8 dex

[snow helm]

So does anyone want to play my campaing

[severe rampart]

#looking-for-players

[crimson gulch]

We have channels for that Dzan

[snow helm]

Ok sry i,m new

[glad ferry]

Are Conquest paladins hard to set up?

[gritty totem]

in what sense?

[uncut zenith]

Define “set up”

[snow helm]

I don,t know how to texts there

In loking for players

[uncut zenith]

I definitely recommend looking over the LFG channels. There are pinned posts in there explaining how to post.

[snow helm]

Oh thanks

[uncut zenith]

Just be advised, this is a busy server, so they’re not designed expecting that you’re gonna find the perfect players in a couple hours, you’re gonna have to look over the responses that people send you and make sure they fit who you’re looking for.

[snow helm]

Yeah i now that

Thanks for help btw

[rough basalt]

Alot of people dont read posts either so its good to include some kinda unique question if you're a dm

[uncut zenith]

Just wanted to give you a heads up. You’d be surprised how many people come into the LFG channels and expect to find the perfect group in 5 minutes lol

[gritty totem]

if only it were so simple

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, get ready for a lot of “I’m interested” with no further info

[glad ferry]

When are you planning on running sessions?

[uncut zenith]

Also may be a good idea to take planning into DMs

[severe rampart]

First time playing Human Paladin that doesn't use Dex... I'm so afraid of this 8 Dex

[uncut zenith]

Not to be a “mínimod”, but they generally don’t like it when people are coordinating campaigns outside of the LFG channels or DMs.

[glad ferry]

Got it

[gritty totem]

you're afraid of your initiative?

or the dex saves?

[glad ferry]

Negative initiate can be funny when you end up with a -2

[gritty totem]

I mean you can repair it a bit with alert

[snow helm]

What is that i,m from bosnia i,m learning english

[severe rampart]

Yup

[finite osprey]

"Hey dude, I know you're first in initiative and I decided to play a low dex character... but uhhh, would you mind like, scooting over a bit down the initiative order? Yeah, thanks!"

[uncut zenith]

I’ve played characters who prefer going on the lower end of the initiative scale, so I don’t mind a lower Dex character unless the Dex affects my AC

[severe rampart]

Nahh it's fine, I'm embracing the paladin

It's the only Charisma caster that I don't like

[gritty totem]

I forgot about this, I was only thinking of the +5

[severe rampart]

Who knows, this might be my first character that dies

[finite osprey]

It's pretty funny if you duo with someone who doesn't care about initiative order but has high dex

This is why find familiar is so good to pair with alert too

Get a high DEX familiar and you basically have advantage on initiative rolls

[gritty totem]

yeah but I haven't seen anyone who doesn't like acting first

[valid geyser]

i think low initiative is ok. because either in 2014 most monsters have mid initative bonuses so its not that hard to compete or its 2024 and 98% of monsters above CR 10 have initiative expertise and youre not gonna move before they do

[severe rampart]

Holy hell, 16 AC with 8 Dex is insane, martials are scary

[finite osprey]

I mean

[gritty totem]

what armour do you have

[severe rampart]

Chain Mail, of course, I know how it works, still, I'm not used to heavy armor as I mainly play casters

[gritty totem]

oh

[knotty vine]

how much damage woul da nuke even do in dnd 5e

[finite osprey]

Woah, what's the design principle behind making monsters act first?

[valid geyser]

its not that fun if they die before they can go

[glad ferry]

Heavy armor gives disadvantage on stealth

[reef tundra]

A worthy price to pay for brick wall

[finite osprey]

Mm, true. I guess they're really against burst damage in 5.5e

[severe rampart]

I'll let my presence known alright.

[gritty totem]

later down the game you can always get mithral armour

[severe rampart]

They will rue the day they messed with John Farmer

[gritty totem]

and use heavy armor

[reef tundra]

I know I just said a worthy price to pay for brick wall but I love mithral armour

Brick wall with no cost? Happy times

[finite osprey]

Brick wall good. But shiny brick wall?

[errant crag]

My ST players have been getting absolutely done in by rats

[glad ferry]

Or if you get enough gold have an enchanted armor that won't give you disadvantage on stealthing. Maybe buy some

[errant crag]

They really hate rats at this point

[glad ferry]

I wanna try lady bombs

[severe rampart]

Make one a wererat

[errant crag]

Nah these rats are already so obnoxious

[severe rampart]

Bite one of the players and infect them with Rat lycanthropy

[errant crag]

They explode when they die and can kill other rats with said explosions making a chain reaction of exploding rats

My players are terrified of them

[glad ferry]

Bit sewer rats or what?

Big

[gritty totem]

oh my... so despicable.

[lavish flame]

I've really been enjoying the whole "monsters are proficient or Experts in Initiative"

[severe rampart]

Should've had Spirit Guardians

[gritty totem]

I like it

[severe rampart]

For a 1v5, a mini boss having two initiatives isn't that crazy, right?

[glad ferry]

Do some let out a poisons gas on top of exploding?

[errant crag]

The Fighter is hesitant to use his Flametongue Greatsword because he's liable to one shot a rat and start a chain reaction of rat explosions

[gritty totem]

the terrain they explode on becomes difficult terrain and deals damage over time

[severe rampart]

Do it, coward

[gritty totem]

I mean, 1v5

[severe rampart]

The Ratsplosion

[feral fulcrum]

Rat SPlosion

[severe rampart]

I echo'ed your words.

[errant crag]

It's also despicable because these rats are appearing inside of commoners' homes and the commoners are extremely unlikely to survive the rat explosions

[glad ferry]

Take the rat explosion head on. Never back down. Till death do us part

[errant crag]

As they do 2d4 acid damage on the explosion, and do 1d6+3 and 2d4 acid damage on a bite to begin with

[gritty totem]

kamikaze rats entering through your walls

[severe rampart]

2d4 that's nothing

[errant crag]

They're level 3

[gritty totem]

;-;

[errant crag]

And haven't long rested in a while

[severe rampart]

You heard me

[gritty totem]

oh, 3 you say ;-;

[severe rampart]

That's like two 2014 vicious mockeries

[errant crag]

Taking 2d4 10+ times in one long rest is a lot for a level 3 party

What are you on about

[severe rampart]

Have the cleric work overtime... if there is a cleric?

[glad ferry]

So exhaustion levels?

[severe rampart]

If not then yeah, it's joever

[errant crag]

There's not

[severe rampart]

RIP

[errant crag]

And the ratsplosions do half damage on a successful save

[gritty totem]

so average of 5 damage on a success that's 3 and times 10, so 30 damage in a turn

damn

[errant crag]

Not in a turn

The rats are not guaranteed to die in one hit

They have enough health to survive a hit or two but once they die they pop

[gritty totem]

once they drop they pop

how much health do they have?

[errant crag]

The rats? Around 18

[glad ferry]

So why not just have someone fireball them chain explosion away

[feral fulcrum]

Surprisingly durable for explosive rats.

[errant crag]

Because these rats are appearing in commoners' homes

[glad ferry]

Ah

[errant crag]

You can't just fireball a commoners home when you're playing in good faith and aren't treating the game like an elder scrolls game

[feral fulcrum]

Bah, the exploding rats are going to ruin their house anyway.

[errant crag]

Potentially true

The rats are exploding into acid

They do acid damage

[feral fulcrum]

Banelings

[glad ferry]

Then pickup the rats and turn them into your pets. Send them into bbeg area and use them that way

[errant crag]

The rats are ||already being controlled by someone||

[feral fulcrum]

The ||Pied Piper||

[severe rampart]

Yeah, and the rats can easily kill the commoners

[glad ferry]

Ah

[severe rampart]

I will not fall for this.

I know the word game is behind that spoiler tag

[errant crag]

||Truer than you might think||

[glad ferry]

How do you add the blank tag thing?

[severe rampart]

By doing this text border || ||

[errant crag]

Put || on either side of the text you want censored

[feral fulcrum]

A first level spell slot.

[severe rampart]

Can I upcast it

[feral fulcrum]

Sadly no

[errant crag]

I think Illusory Script might be one of the worst picks with Magic Initiate low-key

[glad ferry]

One spell I love is silvery barbs

[feral fulcrum]

Here we go again.

[severe rampart]

Shield>

[glass granite]

I like suggestion

[severe rampart]

It goes
Shield
Absorb Elements
Dissonant Whispers

[errant crag]

I'd rather my players take Silvery Barbs over Suggestion any day

[glad ferry]

Or when the bard kills the enemy with vicious mockery

[onyx haven]

Illusory script is good for RP things. But yea

[glad ferry]

I mean if you want the fun spell its modify memory

[severe rampart]

Rare

2014 it was a D4, 2026 it's now a D6

[glad ferry]

Still a good spell reguardless. Gives enemy disadvantage on attack rolls and saves if it fails

Until their next turn

So far my favorite bard class is dancer

[flint ledge]

Both spells suck to be on the receiving end of

[glad ferry]

And the thing is dm can use it to. Just like the whole circle soell thing can go either way

[flint ledge]

That's why I say the receiving end a player most definitely is gonna hate getting hit by a suggestion just as much as the DM

[glad ferry]

Just as enemies can counterspell you

[knotty vine]

WeeFee

[sweet osprey]

|I want to commit great warcrimes|

[chilly pine]

how does one make an ad for a campaign?

[glad ferry]

Hello tasha

[severe rampart]

Instructions in #find-a-game

[severe rampart]

@chilly pine

[warm oriole]

Hey I’m new to dnd and I recently made a lil binder with my characters is there anything I should get like spells or monster cards that would help me is it all unnecessary

[glad ferry]

I almost had a character die last session I did

[broken solar]

You should ask the dm!

[glad ferry]

Dnd beyond is a good app, usually the small cards are good for character stats for dms yo hold onto with your own sources. Keep a relationship page, good notes, and what you have in your inventory

Dm doesnt track those for you. If you didn't write it down it didn't happen, and history checks dont always roll well

[feral fulcrum]

Now there's an actual bot

[proven mountain]

Use the alert mod function to report ^.^

[severe rampart]

Yup already did

[proven mountain]

Thank you mods!

[upper burrow]

Yo yall think i could play mayo as an instrument for my bardic art?

[normal canyon]

Im sure you can, but check up with your dm

[severe rampart]

Spongebob joke, yeah yeah, as the other guy said, you'd have to check up with your DM

[glad ferry]

Didnt know people can set up bots. Nor do I know how ti

Just partner up with someone name your characters dirty dan and pinhead larry

[upper burrow]

I will be the greatest mayo player of all

My vicious mayockery shall wreck havoc

[hot reef]

It’ll probably be funny the first 0.5 times you bring it up, after that it’ll wear off

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[reef tundra]

I think instruments of torture would be better /ref

[severe rampart]

If you set it up to be a joke it won't be fun

[hot reef]

That’s the problem with joke characters

[normal canyon]

I’d rather use latte art

[severe rampart]

They get old after 2 or 3 sessions

[reef tundra]

Joke characters work only for one shots. Any longer than that and it drives me nuts

[upper burrow]

Eh im sure itll be alright for a joke campaign

[severe rampart]

I'd lose my marbles, all ten of them

[hot reef]

Could go a bit more versatile with cooking utensils like that one muppet

[upper burrow]

Damn thats alotta marbles

[woeful zinc]

Does anyone know any books you can buy on beyond with good ranger spells?

[upper burrow]

Understandable ofc ofc

[severe rampart]

Generic ranger spells or... Roaring Knight inspired spells?

[glad ferry]

Your primary weapon is a cast iron pan

[severe rampart]

If so, probably go to third party

[upper burrow]

Hold up bard chef goes hard

Cooking is sometimes considered as art

[woeful zinc]

I’m not wondering about third party stuff, I’m asking about official DnD books on DnD beyond

[upper burrow]

Not even joking

[severe rampart]

It's always considered art

[normal canyon]

Bard Ross

[upper burrow]

Hmm yeah i suppose

[glad ferry]

Nevdr done a bard chef

Granted im about to be using my first bard here soon. My primary and first class is berserker barbarian

[severe rampart]

the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects. Food is art

[glad ferry]

Though i have multiple classes set up for just in case one dies and doesnt unbalance a party

[severe rampart]

Also, might I ask, what do you know of Bards?

[glad ferry]

People gotta eat so bard chef makes sense

[severe rampart]

Hopefully you haven't consumed misinformation created by content creators.

[upper burrow]

Beautiful. I shall now cook an omellete to persuade a shopkeep into giving me 50% off on a potion

[upper burrow]

Not much actually

[severe rampart]

Right there, that's what I'm talking about

First off, Persuasion isn't mind control.

[upper burrow]

Well aware that

[paper portal]

most of their good spells are in the core books, xge has absorb elements tho

[severe rampart]

You can certainly try, though youll likely be thrown out if you do that

[glad ferry]

The crazier the thing snd the more against something is increases the DC. Also if its a absolute no can be kicked out instantly

[severe rampart]

Yeah, sorry, just frustrated at content farms

[upper burrow]

Content farms?

[reef tundra]

I was about to say, the PHB Ranger spells are solid

[upper burrow]

Theres those in dnd?

[glad ferry]

Never heard of content farms

[woeful zinc]

Which core books? Pretty sure only have ones from the PHB

[severe rampart]

One-shot Questers

[reef tundra]

Played level 20 Ranger once and holy hell did I rain down a hammering of swords and arrows for ages

[severe rampart]

They reuse the same stereotypical jokes about D&D classes over and over again.

[upper burrow]

OOOOOH i see

[reef tundra]

Then I ran out of spell slots :(

[paper portal]

hi amity :3

[severe rampart]

Bards being seductive and vicious mockery dealing 300 trillion damage

Oath of throwing it back Paladin, etc.

[reef tundra]

Hi Wings :D

[paper portal]

unfortunate consequence of half casters but yeah rangers essentially just got the good half of the druid list lol

[severe rampart]

"I Nat 20'd on the vicious mockery"

[paper portal]

yeah i really hate these too

[upper burrow]

I suppose thats not something you just do?

[reef tundra]

Very true, I’m glad it at least got good spells

[severe rampart]

It's a saving throw

You don't roll to hit. The enemy rolls to save.

[upper burrow]

Oh that makes sense

[severe rampart]

You can't crit on a vicious mockery

[glad ferry]

I like classes for different reasons. Full on spell casters I just struggle with

[upper burrow]

Like a breath attack?

[severe rampart]

And Vicious Mockery deals dogwater damage

[severe rampart]

Yeah, I suppose

[severe rampart]

2014 it was a D4, 2024 now it's a D6 which is still not a lot

[glad ferry]

Vicious mockery shines with until the next turn disadvantage on saves and attacks until their next turn

[paper portal]

im a filthy optimizer so i always tend towards casters i think martials are really cool though

[severe rampart]

I mean, you can kill commoners with one vicious mockery if you roll max damage but still

[glad ferry]

Just pair scry with transport via pants

[halcyon forum]

Power Word kill at home

[upper burrow]

Honestly im loving dnd so far, cant wait to do my first campaign this summer

[paper portal]

yeah its a while away but im probably gonna start a bunch of campaigns once uni ends for the year

[glad ferry]

The only type of campaign I can see bad deeds but also harder times coming is running an evil campaign

[severe rampart]

Bards should get better cantrips 😔

I'm totally not biased whatsoever

[severe rampart]

I will NEVER run an evil campaign.

[glad ferry]

Best part of bard is lvl10 or whatever when they get access to many casters spell list

[upper burrow]

Hey about vicious mockery, what stat do you use in saving throws?

[severe rampart]

You can't believe how many people misinterpret "evil" as "outright harm your party members"

[glad ferry]

Wisdom, Charisma strenght. Any of them really

Don't see it as harm your party members or everyone you see

[paper portal]

the bard spell list in general is really sad ngl 😭

[reef tundra]

It’s a wisdom saving throw

[severe rampart]

And Magical Secrets is NOT helping

[errant crag]

I don't think I could run an evil campaign

I don't think I'd find it fun

[severe rampart]

Level 10 feature... 💔

[reef tundra]

My friend has terrorised me with enough bard shenanigans for me to politely disagree

[paper portal]

its just kinda too little too late

[reef tundra]

What they lack in damage, they make up for causing chaos

[severe rampart]

Okay Laufey

[reef tundra]

And damage

[upper burrow]

Also is the artificer stereotype any accurate? Can you really build a huge bomb with enough preparation?

[paper portal]

id say they have the weakest spell list tbh but its not entirely devoid of good options yeah

[severe rampart]

Valor Bard for the win

[paper portal]

no lol

[reef tundra]

No. Not at all

[severe rampart]

Depends on what you call "bomb", but usually, no.

[upper burrow]

I understand

[glad ferry]

Glamor has some interesting feats to

[reef tundra]

There isn’t even a demolitions themed subclass

If it’s a stereotype of a class, it’s most likely wrong

[glass granite]

Fireball is generally enough

[severe rampart]

Best I can do is Twin Spell Fireball

[paper portal]

artis can do a lot of cool stuff but you dont get to just conjure up futuristic technology or anything like people think

[upper burrow]

Taking note of that

[glad ferry]

You could maybe have a barrel full of oil or something. Though thats gonna be really heavy

[paper portal]

any class can have that lol

[reef tundra]

Another thing you should take note of is that you will likely disagree with every opinion of dnd you will see online. I encourage you to always find your own opinion on it

[glad ferry]

True

[glass granite]

Are sorcerer stereotypes that far off?

[paper portal]

if anything wizard or bard is what youre looking for but pretty much no dm is gonna let you make a bomb with minor conjuration

[glass granite]

I don’t actually know sorcerer stereotypes

[upper burrow]

Yeah ive already seen a couple

[reef tundra]

Neither

[paper portal]

i dont think they have one

[severe rampart]

Nepo babies?

[glass granite]

Well can’t be off if they don’t have one

[raw crypt]

sorcerer character or player sterotypes?

[glass granite]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[severe rampart]

Class

[glass granite]

Then yeah they’re a lil off

[upper burrow]

What exatly are sorcerers? Can yall explain?

[raw crypt]

just nepotism off the top of my head, then

[severe rampart]

They were born with magic

[raw crypt]

magic powers through bloodline, one way or another

[glass granite]

An individual who was born with innate magic and have the ability to augment their spells through metamagic

[glad ferry]

Shadow kai

[severe rampart]

Wizards have to study for magic
Sorcerers get it from birth

[upper burrow]

Oh i see

[severe rampart]

Which is why Sorcerers are better than Wizards /j

[raw crypt]

and warlocks are either pawns of a greater power or a deity just really likes em

[reef tundra]

Sorcerers can also get it from magical incidents or something else that has magically influenced their blood, soul, or mind

[glass granite]

True, it’s just magic that has become ingrained in their being

[reef tundra]

I once had a lunar sorcerer who got his powers from a holy shard of the moon that pierced his heart during prayer one night

[glass granite]

Well that has gotta either be fated or unlucky

That shard has aimbot

[reef tundra]

Selune chose it for him so he could channel her moon’s magic and do good, etc

[upper burrow]

Alright one last question. I was planning on playing rouge swashbuckler for my first dnd campaign you think thats an alright class for a beginner?

[glass granite]

Swashbuckler is fun

[errant crag]

I think my DM leans too far into the "Are you sure you wanna do that?" like in a way where no I just can't justify doing it anymore when you're gonna say it like that

[halcyon forum]

It’s decent

[reef tundra]

The DM made this lore not me. I just wanted to be stabbed by the moon

[glass granite]

It also makes getting sneak attacks simpler, so it’s decent for newbies

[severe rampart]

Rogues are always fun to play

[reef tundra]

Screw optimisation we ballin’

[glass granite]

That’s a sentence I didn’t expect to read today

[paper portal]

thats so peak actually

[rotund talon]

Where can I ask my questions about D&D?

[glad ferry]

Do it anyways and see what happens. Poke the bear with a stick

[paper portal]

wow ok i see how it is /silly

[errant crag]

Depends on the question

[raw crypt]

optimize flavor

[reef tundra]

Right here

[glass granite]

Newbie questions, rules questions, or other?

[reef tundra]

Aww okay, a little bit of optimisation

[glad ferry]

Depends on the character though what they'd do in scenarios

[paper portal]

yippee :3

[rotund talon]

On what basis should I choose a race? History or class ?

[raw crypt]

flavor

[paper portal]

choose whichever race seems cooler pretty much

[reef tundra]

… fun? Idk, what would you treasure most?

I pick based off of “what do I want to look like and do today?”

[glad ferry]

That'd all on you and making sure the character fits the setting. Dm doesnt make your character for you

[upper burrow]

Alright thanks yall

Cya

[glad ferry]

Can say yes or no when it comes to vustom campaign things thkugh

[rotund talon]

Oh oky thank you

[glad ferry]

Plus different races have different features

[glass granite]

I pick off vibes, or a specific playstyle or feature I want

[raw crypt]

there's mechanically "better" races when optimizing, but not enough that it's worth throwing out playing whatever you feel like

[severe rampart]

Paladin with Great Weapon Fighting + Savage Attacker for the first one I'll actually play

[paper portal]

personally i end up playing a fair few humans but its not my fault 5e has three different really good variants :3

[glass granite]

You really don’t want to roll low on damage huh

[glad ferry]

I dont really optimize. I just go with ehat I want my character to look like. Half orc paladin, barbarian, or fighter is good though

[glass granite]

And yeah i generally play humans

[rotund talon]

Should I design my own Artificer weapon?

[raw crypt]

if your dm is fine with it

[glass granite]

You can, as long as it doesn’t give you an unfair mechanical benefit

The judge if it’s fair would be your DM

[paper portal]

dragonmarks are really cool and sometimes a bit busted lol

[glad ferry]

I dont like gnomes. Halflings, human, half orc and some other species I dont mind. Also love dragonborn

[severe rampart]

He's a farmer boy

[raw crypt]

all my campaigns have been non-eberron and all of them don't allow dragonmarks 😔

[glad ferry]

Dragon marks?

[rotund talon]

I really liked the D&D community. Nobody treated me badly or harshly.🥹

Thx ❤️

[paper portal]

im in a wild beyond the witchlight campaign rn and im feylost so i have an excuse to have been in eberron :3

[paper portal]

i can change that >:) /silly

[glad ferry]

Dnd community is fun. Just gotta find the right group and dm. Sometimes all align, and other times portions fo and others don't

[rough basalt]

I allow everything in my games unless its my setting

Then theres species restrictions

[severe rampart]

It's a welcoming community, there's just a few bad experiences here and there but overall, quite fun

[raw crypt]

so you're telling me your backstory is just a long petition to use dragonmarks? /j i hope is obvious

[rotund talon]

No thx

[paper portal]

the background pretty much is lol most of my backstory happened at the carnival

[raw crypt]

I see.

[paper portal]

i wanted to play a dragonmark and went "yeah this fits in the lore perfectly yippee"

[glad ferry]

And session 0 is good for setting boundaries of dos and do nots between players and dm for that campaign

[severe rampart]

Internet is down, im having to use pen and paper like a caveman 😔 /joking

[raw crypt]

I wonder if you'll get far enough to get boon of siberys

-# if the DM even allows it lol

[severe rampart]

This is the downside of not having physical books

[glad ferry]

Never seen the boons

[paper portal]

nah its 5e lol

[severe rampart]

Boon of Speed always

[paper portal]

and witchlight ends at like level 9

[glad ferry]

I have the important books for sure

[raw crypt]

oh I was about to say, unsure if its 5 or 5.5

I'm too used to the 5.5 headspace

[glad ferry]

Ive done 5, 5.5, and the other name is evading me now that I need it

[raw crypt]

3.5?

or other ttrpgs

[glad ferry]

Never done other ttrpg. And not to much into futuristic stuff

[severe rampart]

I wonder if I can flavor a longsword/greatsword into a shovel

[reef tundra]

I’ve done 5e, 5.5e, Pathfinder 1e, Cyberpunk Red, Eureka and Call of Cthulhu

And yet I always find myself coming back to dnd

[severe rampart]

I love Flavor

[glad ferry]

Pathfinder is it

[reef tundra]

It just scratches an itch none of the others do

[raw crypt]

Pathfinder counts as another TTRPG doesn’t it

[reef tundra]

It’s alright. But I avoid playing it online bc some of the fans are insufferable

[reef tundra]

It does

[glad ferry]

If its not pathfinder then its one of dnd different realms

[reef tundra]

Scratch that - most, I’d say

But I can’t deny, it’s still very fun. And it being free is a big bonus

[paper portal]

ive had a bit of a go at it but i definitely like dnd more

[reef tundra]

Same

Although Call of Cthulhu hit hard. Like god DAYUM it was fun.
-# Still prefer dnd

[glad ferry]

I like the versatility of groups and how different characters interact. The story portion is fun. I give dms a lot of credit. Especially when you have to improvise and everything else

[raw crypt]

Of the other games I’ve tried, I’m not enough of a theatre kid for daggerheart, and mothership is something to play every now and then, DnD I feel I can always return to

[reef tundra]

With the right group, dnd is peak TTRPG for me

[raw crypt]

“The right group” is the hard part :P

[reef tundra]

Man I really wanna play Daggerheart, but that’s because I love Matt Mercer

[severe rampart]

Yup

[paper portal]

yeah from what ive heard about daggerheart the rules are pretty much "haha its freeform roleplay have fun"

[severe rampart]

I thankfully have the best players in the world, no question

[reef tundra]

No, I do! /j
-# It is very good to hear that the both of us have found groups that we love

[raw crypt]

Daggerheart is definitely less mechanics more roleplay, it has less appeal for my optimizing self

[reef tundra]

-# I am very happy for you and wish the same happiness for everyone else

[paper portal]

yeah same :3

[glad ferry]

Ive heard of daggerheart. Never looked into it

[severe rampart]

It's why I'm scared of running a second game, what if that group is... less than delightful

[reef tundra]

There’s always gonna be bad players. Just set some boundaries and do your best, and you’ll see how it goes

[raw crypt]

I’m sure daggerheart is perfect for all the theatreheads similar to the CR cast, just not for me

[glad ferry]

2 of our people are kill them and not find another way if possible

[serene olive]

My good friend that I haven’t seen in a bit asked if I would joint their campaign. He said they’re trying for weekly/every other week. 😭🙏🏼 I’ve only been in monthly sessions up to this point. I can’t believe it’s happening🎉

[severe rampart]

Yup

[severe rampart]

Monthly sessions? Oh my

[reef tundra]

That is wonderful to hear! I hope it goes well!

[paper portal]

id say dont count your eggs until they hatch but yeah sounds great

[serene olive]

It’s been super consistent and has gone on for two years now. We’ve had some months with two sessions. But my heart is never satisfied 🤷🏼‍♀️

[errant crag]

Curse of Strahd so far has not been as difficult as people always make it out to be and I don't know if it's my DM nerfing it or what

But I was kinda hoping my character would be dead by now

[rough basalt]

If the players play pretty competently and respect the danger its not that hard

[severe rampart]

I sometimes see the module throw out very easy encounters... so I crank up the CR

I turned a cr 1/2 encounter into a CR 8 encounter

[errant crag]

Our party is Beast Barbarian, Thief Rogue, Scout Rogue, Dance Bard (me), Spirits Bard, and Necromancer Wizard

[rough basalt]

I think the thing is a lot of people dont read and make very dumb mistakes which makes CoS punish them unlike other modules.

[lean wigeon]

i do think while it is very "freeform roleplay" i find that its procedures are much more structured than that of 5e and I think it owes it alot to how it's largely inspired by PbtA and BitD

[severe rampart]

It's when you get to the consequences of your actions that it starts to kick in

[errant crag]

I wonder if running Tomb of Horrors for my group has inadvertently made every other module easier because now they're always super careful

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah, that's probably it

[rough basalt]

ye Daggerheart being more "freeform" doesnt stop it from having some pretty good structure

[meager fractal]

I had a lot of fun playing DH but at the end of the day I came back to dnd 5e

[rough basalt]

Has some parts in the corebook you can use for any game not just daggerheart too

[errant crag]

Also my Dance Bard has been getting crazy Heroism value in CoS

[glad ferry]

Dance bard is so much fun

[rough basalt]

Tonight I kill another pc

I can feel it

[glad ferry]

Im excited to use mine

[lean wigeon]

anything non-combat related in 5e is chalked up to somr arbitrary half-baked skill check most of the time while Daggerheart makes it a point to make this kind of thing a conversation/negatiation between GM and player

[meager fractal]

Another player?

[rough basalt]

Nah PC

I can feel it in my bones

[reef tundra]

I am so glad my DM wasn’t running CoS when she revealed that my character’s grandfather was Strahd

I am still horrified though

[severe rampart]

Oh my.

[rough basalt]

Tho that might be the below freezing temperature in late april

[reef tundra]

YEAH

[severe rampart]

Damn so Strahd succeeded in that?

[rough basalt]

Looking forward tonight

[errant crag]

What is with DMs and letting the player characters be blood relatives of major figures both in the module and the lore

[severe rampart]

Yikes... I do not like the implications

[reef tundra]

I think my DM said it was with another bride and no spoilers

[errant crag]

Am I wild for thinking that's crazy?

[severe rampart]

Ok

[reef tundra]

No no Dw I was nervous about it too but my DM cleared it up

[glad ferry]

Although I plan on nerfing the magic resistance of yuan ti to one or twice per long reat

Rest

[severe rampart]

I'm not sure

[lean wigeon]

it gives the PC an immediate stake and relevance in the story so I don't see anything wrong with it inherently

[reef tundra]

Idk. It’s strange.

[errant crag]

It's your character

Did you ask for this to be the case or did the DM drop this on you as a twist?

[reef tundra]

I just wanted to make a dhampir barbarian

[reef tundra]

Dropped it as a twist

[errant crag]

That's a lot more reasonable to me then

[reef tundra]

My PC’s father was a vampire called Victor, but then it was revealed that Victor is the lost son of Strahd

[glad ferry]

One of our players lost their memory and the dm knows what they forgot. History comes here and there

[errant crag]

Because I'm sitting here thinking if my player asked me "Can I be related to Strahd?" That's a stiff "no" right there.

[glad ferry]

I wouldn't want to be related to strahd

[reef tundra]

Absolutely jaw dropped during the session when my PC uncovered the old painting of her father and standing behind him was Strahd

[reef tundra]

How do you think I feel?!?! 😭 /lhj

[glad ferry]

Let's go kill my grandfather

Says the pc

[reef tundra]

Oh and it turns out my PC has a half sister so I’m gonna find her bc I do not want our horrific tyrants of a father and grandfather to find her first

[errant crag]

Y'all think Bestow Curse was a good choice for my Bard

[lavish flame]

wdym?

oh for CoS, i see

[reef tundra]

I am scared of the DM having Strahd appear

[errant crag]

Amity clarified that they didn't ask for that

It was the DMs idea

[reef tundra]

While the lore is strange, I can’t deny my DM pulled off the twist well

[glad ferry]

It is a orwtty good twist

[errant crag]

I'm still wondering how the DM is gonna work my CoS character's mother into the plot

[glad ferry]

Maybe she's been dead for years

[errant crag]

Nah she's alive

My character has been dead for years

[reef tundra]

“Hey mum, I’m home”

[errant crag]

I'm a Reborn

[glad ferry]

Ive seen a spell that will let you be reborn, your character type is rolled on a d10 or 12 and that race becomes the traits you have

Not familiar with reborna

[errant crag]

That's Reincarnate

[reef tundra]

I love Reborn

[umbral girder]

I mean that is the point of him.

[severe rampart]

I have a Reborn player

[reef tundra]

I promise it’s not because it let me okay as general Grievous from Star Wars

[errant crag]

Reborn is a pseudo undead race where your character has been reanimated by one means or another

[serene olive]

Right? I’m just waiting for it to fall through at this point. But I’m hopeful!!

[reef tundra]

True. But I’m extra scared bc that mofo is my grandfather

[errant crag]

I don't see how Reborn works for Grievous

[reef tundra]

Do you know of his lore? /genq

[errant crag]

He's the million dollar alien

[glad ferry]

Just ask grandpa for gold, and gifts for all the years he's neglected you

[reef tundra]

I was thinking a lot between Reborn and warforged, but reborn has the option to be quite robotic and I thought it fit grievous more considering he was once flesh and years of combat and losing parts do his body led to him being rebuilt

[umbral girder]

Sick robot who got his ribs crushed by Sam Jackson

[reef tundra]

IIRC

[valid geyser]

i have been trying to work in family npcs into backstories more in the past couple games im in
last game my PC was an old man with adult children, and it was cool to see them show up
that game is over and i did get surprised when the guardian spirit fey that i imagined to be a little bit suspicious being actually really chill and also just an uber giant displacer beast

[reef tundra]

Star Wars fans, kill me if I’m wrong

[errant crag]

Grievous isn't a robot he's like Vader where he's a living biological being with a mostly mechanical body due to the horrible injuries he's sustained

He's just like, 90% machine

[severe rampart]

Uh oh, they're all sharing art of their characters already and I haven't commissioned an artist yet

[glad ferry]

Time to find an artist

[severe rampart]

Oh well, how hard is it to find a muscular farm boy with a cheerful personality

I think Pokemon has that

[umbral girder]

Yep

He gots fleshy bits still

A robocop situation

[glad ferry]

I got a farmer fairy with druid of the Shepard background, and tough

[errant crag]

Crunchy robot exterior with a gooey alien filling

[severe rampart]

Farmer Paladin

[errant crag]

Oath of the Ancients

[severe rampart]

Yup

[reef tundra]

I think reborn fits that. Mostly just the rebuilt vibes

[glad ferry]

Havnt looked to much into paladins yet to know the different types of oaths

[errant crag]

I could see reborn or Warforged

Or Thrikeen if the multiple arms is really important to you

[glad ferry]

Warforged is eberon yes?

[errant crag]

Yeah

[umbral girder]

Yep

[errant crag]

I want to make a dungeon

But don't have any ideas

I want it to be a brutal dangerous dungeon

[umbral girder]

Could do a fun house dungeon

[glad ferry]

Have the whole dungeon be a mimic

[umbral girder]

Just has a wild variety of monsters and encounters

[glad ferry]

Housing monsters to protect it

[errant crag]

I've played in that before

It's fine but not something I wanna try myself

[glad ferry]

Use super simple puzzles that they'll over complicate

[errant crag]

I'd rather have insta kill traps

[onyx haven]

A lot of folks dislike "Oops, you died." stuff.

[glad ferry]

Poison gas in small hallway or could have fun with one rhat mentally messes with them

[errant crag]

Yeah but my players really loved Tomb of Horrors

And I kinda wanna make something like that

[glad ferry]

Hallucinations

[onyx haven]

Rotating dungeons can be neat. Where the rooms are rearranging themselves.

[feral fulcrum]

And there are better ways to do it then "You failed, you die, lol. "

[errant crag]

Naturally

[glad ferry]

Kill them softly

[errant crag]

You know Tomb of Horrors doesn't actually really have any insta kill traps that don't heavily telegraph themselves

[glad ferry]

Could always make them have to fight themselves, or maybe the enemies take forms of those they love

Or are closest to

Trauma

[errant crag]

Tomb of Horrors was so freaking hilarious

The things that really hurt the players the most weren't things that were instakills

[glad ferry]

Nwcer heard of tomb of horrors

[errant crag]

I think the Altar in the Chapel of Evil and the scary key really debilitated them the most out of anything

And the fight with Acererak almost killed all of them

[glad ferry]

Mind control someone to see allies as enemies after they lose enough sanity if they fail continuous saves or nat 1

[errant crag]

It's definitely not something you drop on the players without them knowing what it is

[glad ferry]

Banshees though. Those ones cr level is crazy for what they can do

[errant crag]

I told my players ahead of time that this dungeon is dangerous and will trick them and will pull some serious BS on them

And they had fun going into it with that expectation in mind as level 14 characters

[glad ferry]

Creates good moments

[errant crag]

Nobody actually died

And I ran it by the book, didn't nerf a single thing

[glad ferry]

I cant remember the name if the monster. I know theres one that can steal a person's strenght

Undead are nasty if you dont have paladins or a holy person

[errant crag]

The intention of it is to thwart PCs that the players think are infallible

Gygax made it for his players who super optimized the game

[glad ferry]

Ill be honest I know I can die at any point. Even to simple things if done wrong

[errant crag]

Not really from what I experienced running it and watching them play through it

Players who take their time and are careful will generally be fine

[glad ferry]

Plus certain enemies can be surprising

[errant crag]

It's only a gotcha if you run in bullishly treating it like a normal dungeon

[glad ferry]

Sphynx tyoe puzzles confuse me. Bad with riddles

[knotty vine]

Sphynx

[errant crag]

Things I'd recommend taking into the Tomb of Horrors:
10ft pole
Find Familiar
Detect Magic
More than one Strength based PC
Rary's Telepathic Bond

Earplugs

[glad ferry]

Yeah that word

[umbral girder]

An Enspelled Magic item with a summoning spell

[glad ferry]

So many letters sound the same lol

[umbral girder]

So if there is a trap you have the summon check

And if there is a fight the Summon can do something

And won’t have to wait an hour each use of Find Familiar

[errant crag]

There's really not a lot of fights, but some of them that there are can be kinda tough

Acererak almost TPKed my players

[umbral girder]

Also an Enspelled item of Create water

Because water can find you traps and illusions and hidden doors

[errant crag]

And would have if not for the Wizard ||casting Teleport which he only had because they wished for the Efreeti to level them up||

Acererak goes first: Howl
Whole party except Wizard fails their saves and drops to 0 HP

[umbral girder]

Wait why create water when I can say a decanter of endless water

[errant crag]

Wizard teleports entire party to other side of dungeon where they desperately spend the next few rounds trying to reset before he reaches them

[glad ferry]

Isn't swimming normally a difficult point to?

[errant crag]

Really made it feel like a horror sequence as the whole dungeon rumbled and Acereraks disembodied groans echoed throughout it

As he got closer and closer

[umbral girder]

There is no way you are making that much water

[severe rampart]

The one class without healing magic😭

[feral fulcrum]

That they stayed in the dungeon is nuts

[severe rampart]

Gotta get that loot

[errant crag]

They teleported to the small room that ||the fake Acererak|| is in

[feral fulcrum]

If litteraly everyone but you drops to 0 instantly at the start of a fight, that's a sign to GTFO and NOT stick around

[errant crag]

It was hilarious

They manage to pick themselves up and reset and heal a bit and cast their buffs and they're sitting there terrified waiting for Acererak to come around the corner

He does so
Immediately soul traps the Wizard and takes him out of the fight for the rest of the fight

And all the fear that they had from being taken to 0 HP by him is right back to full as the Wizard who just rescued them all fails one save and is taken out of initiative entirely

[umbral girder]

Notably teleport cannot leave a Demilich’s lair

You can go to the front door tho

[errant crag]

It was probably the most climactic ToH Acererak fight that's ever been had

Acererak had mad aura

It's always fun when the players are actually terrified of the boss

Like they had made it this far, 4 sessions and they were finally at the very end of the Tomb of Horrors

And Acererak immediately establishes that he is no joke

[glad ferry]

There are definitly monsters that scare me or not knowing what they can do

I rolled a natural 1 and had my soul ripped from my body straight to 0 hp

[errant crag]

I should run ToH again for different players

See if they have an easier or harder time

[glad ferry]

It sounds like fun to go through

[errant crag]

My players got to the end and beat it without dying but it was NOT an easy time by any means

I really found it funny when they spent like 20 minutes of real time in one session hiding in a closet from a key that they were scared of

[lavish flame]

it is not usually lol

[rough basalt]

I couldn't be trusted in ToH as a player

[glad ferry]

Why's that?

[rough basalt]

I'd willingly run into every trap.

[autumn plover]

I can finally chat after 1 year of trying to verify 😭

[errant crag]

A lot of YouTubers make videos about how ToH is totally unfair and terrible in every way all the time, but those YouTubers also tend to get stuff wrong about it

[glad ferry]

Ah. I'd like to try it

Thing is it depends on the party and how they go through a dungeon for what happens. Actions have consequences and rewards

I play to what my character would do even if I wouldn't naturally do it

[autumn plover]

I actually never been in a campaign before

[errant crag]

I can definitely see it being way harder for certain party comps than others

[glad ferry]

Usually if you dont have a set magic user bards are good to cover that gap at least. Granted the 2 i know who love to play bards never play them to what they can do

[lavish flame]

The adventure was designed from the ground up to defeat "unkillable" parties. Gary Gygax kept receiving mail from exasperated DMs whose players had defeated Thor and took Mjolnir and killed Demogorgon and wears his heads as shoulder pads, the DMs were complaining that their party members could no longer be challenged. Gary Gygax devised a dungeon that was certain to grind their characters down, The Tomb of Horrors. Its typically not so fun because people don't like their PCs dying.

[glad ferry]

That is crazy

[errant crag]

The only way I can see somebody playing through ToH and hating it is if the DM didn't set expectations beforehand

My players went in knowing it was unfair and they enjoyed that challenge

[glad ferry]

I have backup characters for if my characters die. I already know its possible

[errant crag]

They enjoyed being paranoid and knowing that the entire dungeon is working against them and will try to trick them

[glad ferry]

Sounds like gygax went above and beyond for it

[errant crag]

It's not the type of thing you plug into a game

That's in progress

[glad ferry]

I wanna try it now

Im down for dying

[errant crag]

I wanna run it again

Every session I've been at where one of my PCs died it has elevated the session to legendary status

A PC dying can be so much fun

[glad ferry]

We lost 2 pc in one session

[errant crag]

Sometimes I get disappointed when my PCs don't die

I was pretty disappointed that I didn't die last session in CoS

I never try to get them killed or play recklessly with the hope of them dying

I will still always try to play them to preserve their lives

But sometimes I get disappointed that I survived

[glad ferry]

If my character dies doing what they would do then its a good death

[unkempt iris]

Hey I just joined this server and idk what to do

[errant crag]

One of my characters recently died a really narratively poignant death and it was super awesome, people legit had tears welling up at his death

But it was pretty quickly undercut by them reviving him a couple sessions later

I was hoping it would be more of an arc working towards his revival

But it was really easy and just felt unearned to me

[glad ferry]

Just let them die a hero and bring in someone new

[errant crag]

What do you want to do?

[unkempt iris]

I want to make a rogue and mage combo if possible

But I just recently got back into DnD

[glad ferry]

What kind of spellcaster? Theres many different kinds with different quirks

[unkempt iris]

I have zero idea

[fast latch]

Do mundane sunglasses work for getting rid of Sunlight Sensitivity, or is Sunlight Sensitivity too magical for them to work?

I personally rule it as yes, but this means sunglasses are extremely in-demand and pretty expensive

[glad ferry]

Mutliclassing has its advantages and drawbacks

[unkempt iris]

Idk if a rogue and a mage would be a good combo

[errant crag]

For a new player i wouldnt multiclass

[errant crag]

Play an Arcane Trickster

They're a Rogue that gets spellcasting

[unkempt iris]

What that?

[fast latch]

The best Rogue/Mage is Arcane Trickster

It’s a Rogue subclass with magic powers

[errant crag]

No, it's more than just the sunlight getting in their eyes

They are sunlight sensitive

Their very body is adverse to it

[glad ferry]

My dnd beyond app only gives me the thief option even though I have the guide on my app to

[lavish flame]

yo bro those options are surprisingly close to unlimited

[fast latch]

Drow, yes, because they were cursed by some god somehow, but what about Kuo-Toa?

[unkempt iris]

Nice pfp btw

[glad ferry]

Warlock rogue. Sneak attack hex eldritch blast

[unkempt iris]

What even is an arcane trickster?

[errant crag]

It's a subclass for rogue

[glad ferry]

Subclass of rogue

Magic user type

[unkempt iris]

I know that but what does it do?

[umbral girder]

A few of them are magical curses

[glad ferry]

Its in the phb. I've never seen it personally

[lavish flame]

Thanks! For a magical thief character, you've got options for days:
Rogue - Arcane Trickster (Thievery + Magic)
Rogue - Soulknife (Thievery + Psychic ability)
Bard - Any Subclass (Thematic mixture of Cleric, Rogue, and Wizard. Support skill monkey)
Warlock - Any Subclass (Magic first, smullduggery is a close second)

[umbral girder]

It’s why Orcs got Drow level Darkvision but don’t have sunlight sensitivity

[unkempt iris]

Give me one moment

[glad ferry]

Bard with brawler feat

Anything becomes an improvised weapon with advantage

[unkempt iris]

Had to download dnd beyond

[fast latch]

What about the ones that aren’t magical curses?

[fast latch]

Also WotC just up and completely removed Sunlight Sensitivity from the Drow in 5.5, what’s the lore explanation for that?

[umbral girder]

It now goes to Drow of Lolth instead

And of course the PHB isn’t as setting dependent anymore

[fast latch]

Is that a separate subspecies?

[umbral girder]

2014 was very FR heavy while 2024 isn’t

[umbral girder]

It’s the followers of Lolth

[glad ferry]

Is there a curse that let's the one enemy and yourself sense eachother snd effects both till one kills the other?

[reef tundra]

They are their own separate faction as written in Forgotten Realms: Adventures in Faerun as enemy stat blocks

[glad ferry]

Lolth is something else

[umbral girder]

She is a Demon Lord Goddess so she is something else in fact

[glad ferry]

I love her story. Ive seen her stat block and fighting her would not be fun

[fast latch]

I thought it’d have different mechanics the way you said it

[reef tundra]

I completely forgot she was a goddess. Guess that means there is a demon lord god!

[reef tundra]

I haven’t been able to find an official one, and the homebrew ones are pretty hit or miss

[glad ferry]

Her own daughter is the opposite of her and brings in drow who want change for good

[umbral girder]

The sunlight sensitivity was a curse Corellon put on the Drow who followed her after all

[reef tundra]

Although if you find it again, I’d be up for if you wanted to send it to me

[reef tundra]

She had a daughter?!

[fast latch]

So you’re saying now only the Lolthsworn ones have Sunlight Sensitivity?

[umbral girder]

She has a son too

[glad ferry]

Elismere

[reef tundra]

Oh wait is this pre or post exile?

[glad ferry]

Or however her name is spelled

[fast latch]

Actually, you know what would be really cool? If Lolthsworn Drow got Poison Spray, Ray of Sickness, and Web on top of their existing spells for being Lolthsworn

[feral fulcrum]

Eilistraee, rather.

[glad ferry]

Goddess of dance and of good drow and darker beings who want to be good

[umbral girder]

Eilistraee was before exile

[fast latch]

Gives you a good reason to nerf yourself with Sunlight Sensitivity since you get Web, one of the best control spells

[glad ferry]

Hwr name is hard to spell

[umbral girder]

I don’t know about Lolth’s son tho

[fast latch]

His name is Vhaeraun and he wants gender equality

[rotund talon]

Someone is asking me for money to enter the game, is this normal?

[glad ferry]

Deities got all sorts of good stuff in their stories

[copper merlin]

Kinda. Some games do it but it’s rare

[umbral girder]

Eilistraee was specifically pre exile because when the exile did happen Corellon said she could stay.

She said no and went to help the Drow hopefully leave her mother’s clutches

[glad ferry]

I have avandra as my dancer bards deity

[feral fulcrum]

Paid games exist, but there's also alot of scams

[fast latch]

Only if you were told beforehand it was a paid game

If they’re springing it on you for no reason, then it’s not normal

[glad ferry]

Corellon was soft on her though he did love her

[feral fulcrum]

If they're asking you to pay for art to play, or springing it on you out of the blue, it's a scam

[rotund talon]

No, for just art

[feral fulcrum]

100% a scam

A constant one here.

Report it the mods and scmove on.

[glad ferry]

And then the trinity of balance came along so that no one could abuse the amount of power he gave lolth

[rotund talon]

Oh oky

Should I give you his name?

[umbral girder]

No give it to the mods

#moderator-support

[umbral girder]

I should probably make this an origin feat for my players.

Get Web and Levitate once a day each but you get sunlight sensitivity

[glad ferry]

Ive got a character that is a mix between an eladrin and one of lolths arachnids

With light sensitivity

[fast latch]

How is Levitate a Drow spell? It’s not poisonous or spidery

[umbral girder]

It’s on all their stats and lore

Even Drizzt had it before he ditched his family

[feral fulcrum]

How else is a Drow supposed to hover ominiously at you?

[glad ferry]

The ones I wish the lore wasn't so conflicting on is shadow Kai. Each edition rewrote how they work

[fossil hollow]

drow who were gifted in magic used levitate to help traverse the underdark

[copper merlin]

I was gonna make a Drow joke about showing someone their place but it jus came out as misandrist

[rough basalt]

It's funny that both of Lolth and Corellons children are both different from their parents.

[fossil hollow]

drizzt has the ability to cast levtitate iirc

[fast latch]

Yeah that makes sense

[rough basalt]

Vhaerun or whatever is evil, but he's more civilized evil unlike his mother.

[umbral girder]

Not anymore

He lost it when he left the Underdark

[fossil hollow]

this is also reflected in that racial feat in xanathar

[fossil hollow]

aha! i knew i was missing something

[rough basalt]

And Eilastree is better than all 3 of them.

[umbral girder]

Stopped living in the Underdark and following Lolth

[feral fulcrum]

Not that he ever really followed her.

[glad ferry]

If you want to just read or listen up on lolths history. Its a good one

[umbral girder]

Exactly. Just ignore that she only accepts female clerics.

[rough basalt]

Unfortunately some of the misandry was in the dna.

[fossil hollow]

only reason why i remember he was able to was becauase... his sister was being... weird

[rough basalt]

Ye he had trouble using levitation for awhile iirc.

I do know that Eilastree allows male members of her clergy, but didn't realize she still had a bit of her mom in her and said only female clerics.

[fossil hollow]

right, but there was some... alabama vibes

[rough basalt]

Oh that scene

Sweet home menzoberrazan

[glad ferry]

I mean she is the mother of good drow. Opposite of her mother so theres gonna be some similarities

[rough basalt]

Ye difference is, even tho she only accepts female clerics, males are to be treated as equals anyways.

[glad ferry]

Which is good

[rough basalt]

Tho the clergy suffers from misandry issues due to the brainwashing they have to undo.

Which makes sense and I think is good. Doesn't make being an Eilastree worshipper wash you clean of all the bad you had to live with and imprinted on you.

[glad ferry]

I mean lolths solution is to turn failed males into driders which are allowed, though frowned upon and avoided

[umbral girder]

I think she does the Drider thing to both genders

[rough basalt]

Women who piss her off too much yeah

Men if she's bored

[umbral girder]

Men on any day of the week that ends with day

[glad ferry]

She likes her arachnes

[rough basalt]

Lolth when someone identifies as something with men in it and not a wo behind it.

[lyric ivy]

What about the upcoming Ravenloft book? What you guys think?

[rough basalt]

150 dollars to wizards of the coast

[glad ferry]

Havnt done anything with ravenloft

No thank you. 150 is a lot

[lyric ivy]

I'm exited with the new horror subclasses

[copper merlin]

Wo behind it

Menwo?

[glad ferry]

I like the dragon books

Menwo would be turned into driders any day

The wo isn't before men

[copper merlin]

Repost to turn the nearest manwo into a drider

[lavish flame]

I'm sold on it already tbh

[glad ferry]

What is it going to have?

One of my favorite books for pc is monsters of the multiverse

[lavish flame]

Horror Subclasses r cool, the species reprints r cool, updated (in some cases, finally printed) Darklord stats is awesome. I'm always down for new Bastion Facilities.

[glad ferry]

Ive wanted to try a shadow Kai. Just trying to figure out their background since its been rewritten 4 times

That would be fun

I wouldn't mind trying a horror themed session or campaign

[fossil hollow]

what about shadarkai makes it hard to play one

[cerulean monolith]

16 Domains of Dread, 17 Darklords, 7 subclasses, 4 species, 4 backgrounds, 2 Origin feats, 9 Dark Gifts, 10 genres of horror from gothic to dark fantasy, 51 other monsters, 47 maps and 28 digital quickplay maps for Maps VTT.

[glad ferry]

Okay that book sounds really nice

I can see why if it has that much

[tough sandal]

I love the bloodied condition.

I love adding bonuses to custom monsters as they become desperate to survive. :D

[glad ferry]

Is there a bleeding type of condition that effects movement speed and damages when someone moves?

Or damages when they move

I know theres the 20x20 spell that can damage for each step you take through it if you don't know its there

[fossil hollow]

there isnt

[umbral girder]

Not in 5e. Closest is the infernal wound from a bearded devil

4e had it

All I can remember on it

[glad ferry]

Would be an interesting thing

[umbral girder]

Eh

[glad ferry]

Theres some thar seem weak until you see their abilities. The sea hag has some crazy stuff

[fossil hollow]

dpr isnt everything

[glad ferry]

Nah

[fossil hollow]

stares at strength drain and paralyzing touch

[glad ferry]

Possession, or intellect eater stealing someone's body

Poor dumb dumbs

I really like the sea hags kit

Strenght drain and paralyzing touch are very difficult. Never seen the power word kill or whatever it is

[fossil hollow]

what?

[glad ferry]

Power word kill. Instantly kills a character if it has 100 hp or less

[fossil hollow]

i know what pwk does. i fail to see what your point is

[glad ferry]

Those first two you said aren't fun to go against

Especially considering the 0 str can kill you. Well many simple things can

[fossil hollow]

and being hit with death glare isnt?

[glad ferry]

Death glare?

Oh yeah rhat abilitt

Took a second. Not a good one to get hit by

Ive been learning different creatures. Right now I'm looking around at cr 0-1 types for a lvl1 group

[lavish flame]

I love using CR 0 monsters tbh. Small critters and Crawling Claws are things I love

[glad ferry]

And how fragile you are with just the basic class and character. No feats or add-ons

Creates good moments to

[empty thicket]

depend

martials tend to shine better in early game
Casters not so much

[glad ferry]

True

[empty thicket]

but some casters have good stuff early, warlock is one

[glad ferry]

The monk class can get crazy

[empty thicket]

depend, your AC is linked to 2 stats yeah, but still can be not so big like other classes

[glad ferry]

True. The spell casters are where I struggle. Im good with the classes for bows and martial weapons

[empty thicket]

in early or in general?

[ancient siren]

Gobbie Juice

[glad ferry]

In general. The casters i am learning. Especially when it comes to those who require a patron for magic or the different spell books

[empty thicket]

it depend honestly
Yeah, playing a caster can be tricky but understanding you must be far from the danger sources and know which spells use in X situations

[ancient siren]

The only X that matters is a "Target Rich Environment"

[empty thicket]

and if you are talking about warlock that is good and bad
Good because they dont have a lot of spells, easy recharge and you get lot of things from invocations
Bad becasue that, they dont get lots of spells and that limit your freedom to use them all the time

fortunately each patron give you a certain window of options

[empty thicket]

the target what?

[glad ferry]

Fireball cantrip when allies and other enemies are all together

[ancient siren]

TRE; The basis on which there is a large number of targets in a prime area to use such spells to effectively hit most if not all

(Friend or Foe matter not in a TRE scenario/jk)

[empty thicket]

oh that, yeah, sorta

[glad ferry]

The thing i dont understand with warlock is why yiu dont get the patrons spells on top of the few you can choose. Instead they get added to the limited pool of spells you can choose

[empty thicket]

Sometimes focusing in one enemy instead of groups can do a lot more

[ancient siren]

That's why I love psychic lance

[empty thicket]

taking down some dangerous unit while the minions arent a problem is a good option

[glad ferry]

All of that is situation dependant. Ive also noticed not many use the flanking rule

[ancient siren]

I think flanking has its place in some scenarios

It does kinda suck when most enemies are a size larger than the party so you dont get the benefit whilst they do

[glad ferry]

That one is a bit sad for sure

[fossil hollow]

flanking is an optional rule.

[ancient siren]

^

[limber trail]

They are in 2024 subclasses onward

[glad ferry]

Ah

Thats good. I know 2014 didnt have it. Part of why I didnt try them then

[lavish flame]

You can flank large people

[ancient siren]

Yeah, same size or larger you can flank