dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

spell ends after an hour, no?

[mighty wharf]

Yeah, with concentration

[hot marlin]

You're not going to be able to kill the dragon in rat form

So your best bet is to lock it away, or put it somewhere it can't escape from

[glass granite]

Could you stuff it into a bag of devouring?

[hot marlin]

Or somewhere that damages it

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god that's genius

[hot marlin]

For example, weigh it down, tie a lot of heavy boulders to it, throw it in acid

[fossil hollow]

bag of dogs and a river

[cursive ledge]

how could you discourage nova’ing without making players need like 3 sessions between long rests?

[fossil hollow]

running more encounters is really the only way

why would they not nova if they dont need to worry about resources or what happens later after all

[knotty vine]

Im so pissed that the find steed spell is paladin only

[fossil hollow]

its anyone if you have mark of passage

[knotty vine]

Nah i checked..

wait what

i could have sworn it said something else

[fossil hollow]

i dont think they get phantom steed

[ivory jolt]

Hello

[knotty vine]

Ohhh its gets both

no wonder i was confused

why would you ever need both is my question..

I feel like find steed is much better then phantom

[fossil hollow]

phantom is so much faster

[knotty vine]

I see it now

Phantom is more for travel while the other is more for combat

you can also ritual phantom which can be really useful

[fossil hollow]

or you kite 100-200 feet per round

[knotty vine]

I dont know mount rules so

+phantom steed also cant be attacked

[cursive ledge]

that’s what’s been happening tbh, rn my current DM is tryna come up with ways to prevent the novas, but the 1-3 combats per session and expected long rest and the end of every session means atm, encounters need to be super hard or we just feel invincible

[fossil hollow]

you can have the mount dash or disengage without using your action

[knotty vine]

Really?

thats kinda insane

[cursive ledge]

is it a BA?

[fossil hollow]

it can also take the dodge action

[rough basalt]

Nah mount has its own actions.

[fossil hollow]

no. it uses the mount's action

[rough basalt]

Which are dash, dodge and disengage.

[cursive ledge]

lmao that’s busted

[knotty vine]

I suppose

[rough basalt]

Not entirely

[fossil hollow]

its not

[rough basalt]

Mounts have a good bit of drawbacks

[knotty vine]

yeah

[rough basalt]

They die pretty easily, they're big

[fossil hollow]

ofc, it depends on the exact mount

[cursive ledge]

no I mean the spectral thingy

[fossil hollow]

if you get a willing dragon...

[rough basalt]

Oh phantom steed?

[cursive ledge]

yea

[knotty vine]

phantom uses the same stat block of a riding horse

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's pretty crazy for mobility

[knotty vine]

But hitting it with a rider is pretty hard

[lavish flame]

One rule that is often overlooked that may help your case is: You need to wait a day to Long Rest. You can't Long Rest unless a long time has passed between ur last Long Rest and the one you're attempting. Often, in dungeons, this rule is the only thing keeping your encounters from being a nova.

[cursive ledge]

I didn’t know this

[knotty vine]

I really love the dragon mark feats + potent dragon mark

You just get a free prepared spells now

[lavish flame]

In '24, you need 16 hrs of time, in '14, you need a full 24 hrs

[rough basalt]

Speaking of Dragon's. Reminds me of one of my third party books has a dedicated dragon rider class in it. It'll be interesting if anyone ever uses it.

[knotty vine]

Really?

seems like my gith build wasnt all that crazy then

[fossil hollow]

its. its a bit janky. doesnt even have subclasses

[normal canyon]

Hi.

[knotty vine]

who needs a subclass when you have a dragon! (ranger subclass)

[cursive ledge]

yeah that makes sense, I can’t think of many situations it would’ve been applicable in so far in the campaign, but it’d be helpful for planning stuff in the future

[rough basalt]

I think it has a couple specs that are fundamentally subclasses

[knotty vine]

Did that subclass ever get updated?

[foggy rampart]

Greetings friends, I searched for an additional book for the CAT's system, but I couldn't find it.

[rough basalt]

No cause it was made on the current design

[knotty vine]

mmm Is it as bad as people say?

[glass granite]

Drakewarden? Don’t think so

[rough basalt]

Not really

[knotty vine]

Im curious

[rough basalt]

It's just a late game sub primarily.

When you can have it fly while riding it.

[glass granite]

I’ve had a Stranger Drakewarden that had a ton of fun

[knotty vine]

Ive seen.. stranger things...

[rough basalt]

The real problem of it is being in a Dragon bestiary book

[knotty vine]

Im sorry I had to do it

[rough basalt]

Same with Giant barb in Bigbys Presents Glory of the AInts

[knotty vine]

I thought giant barb was base game for so long until i read through Glory

[rough basalt]

Barb has a good few subs I want updated

Tho I think 2 of them are being updated in the high magic book.

[knotty vine]

I have to agree but I dont know how you would update the subclasses

[rough basalt]

Giveem the new WotC treatment.

Aka no bad features, only peak and power.

[knotty vine]

One thing that always upsets me greater is when people say "new totem is weaker then it old self"

It really isnt

[rough basalt]

Totem Bear needed nerfed tbh

[knotty vine]

It is still resistence to like 60-70% of the damage types in the game

[rough basalt]

It was a crutch sub cause the only other 2 options until 2017 were ass.

[knotty vine]

how often do you piss off someone doing radiant damage seriously

[rough basalt]

If you're getting hit by radiant damage you likely screwed up somehow.

[knotty vine]

Exactly

[rough basalt]

Unless it's an enemy using the Knights statblocks.

[woven flint]

Evil Clerics:
"Are we a joke to you?"

[rough basalt]

They do Necrotic usually

[knotty vine]

yeah

[rough basalt]

Since Necrotic is the evil damage type.

[knotty vine]

for that just do assimar or dhampier

[woven flint]

I mean, they're still CLERIC monsters they can have radiant damage still regardless

Slap guiding bolt on dere

slap sunburst on dere

[rough basalt]

You'd let those evil clerics sully the Good damage type

Nah keep their commonly resisted Evil damage type

But yeah Bear needed nerfed

It made the other totem options just not worth taking cause it was just way too good.

[knotty vine]

force and psy are kinda common but not really

I dont even see it as that much of a nerf imo

[fossil hollow]

if youre up against spellcasters and abberations or fey its super common

[lavish flame]

It made the other subclasses look so shit in comparison

[rough basalt]

I see it as more of a bringing it more in line with other totem options.

[knotty vine]

I cant even remember the last spell caster/abbertion of fought

[rough basalt]

Tbh Barb had a lot of shit and lukewarm subs

But Bear being so powerful made it worse

[knotty vine]

battle rager 😭 😭

[lavish flame]

yeah, for a while its competition was Berserker and Battlerager and thats it

[knotty vine]

I feel like battle raging be locked to dwarf only takes the cake

[rough basalt]

I think someone at WotC just liked bears and wanted it to be uncontested

[lavish flame]

rven in Xanathar's, they aren't all that

[brittle wharf]

O/

[rough basalt]

Yeah Storm Herald and Ancestral are both mid

[knotty vine]

There ight

[rough basalt]

Zealot is very dependent

[knotty vine]

Not special

[rough basalt]

If you have a cleric it's insane, if not it's also mid.

[knotty vine]

Yeah zealot didnt really get good until later levels

[fossil hollow]

zealot was pretty good

[knotty vine]

1 feature only coming online at level 5 if a cleric druid or paladin had a certain spell was kinda ehh

[finite breach]

Hey, how do I show off homebrew in #homebrew

I can't send images

[fossil hollow]

you use igmur

[rough basalt]

Yeah looking at it now. It was good in comparison to its other competition

It was the 2nd good Barb sub

Giant is funny

Cause of being able to throw allies later on.

[knotty vine]

I still think it was funny that it took wizards 10 years to figure out how to make monk good

[rough basalt]

Giant was when Barb subs started getting somewhat better

[knotty vine]

Sun soul monk was so bizzare to me

[rough basalt]

But the Tashas barb subs were kinda awkward.

Wild Magic had a very minimal wild magic table.

[finite breach]

Not working

[knotty vine]

I mean beast barb was pretty fun

[fossil hollow]

did you post it with context (did you say what the link was for or did you just post the link)

[rough basalt]

Ye but still it was like Monk. It really took until our lord and saviors the 5.5e team came in and saved these poor classes

[knotty vine]

The tail being able to add to your ac was awesome

[finite breach]

I just sent it in?

Embed isn't working

[fossil hollow]

embeds are explicitly turned off in most channels

[knotty vine]

yeah

[fossil hollow]

if you want to share an image, you use igmur

or google drive

[rough basalt]

The old guard when they saw all classes being good across the board instead of just Fighter, Wizard, and Cleric
"Noooo!"

[finite breach]

Imgur failed

[knotty vine]

lmao

[finite breach]

That's why I'm complaining

[fossil hollow]

failed at what

[knotty vine]

Like monk only being able to do there bonus action unarmed strike if they took the attack action

[finite breach]

Failed to do anything at all?? #homebrew message

[knotty vine]

and how fast monk would gulp down there ki points since Everything would take a ki point

[fossil hollow]

igmur creates a link where others can view the image if they click the link...

[knotty vine]

Wanna do anything a rogue can do as a bonus action thats gonna cost a ki point

[finite breach]

It doesn't embed?

[rough basalt]

Nice you hit the enemy, here's 1d4 damage

[fossil hollow]

embeds are explicitly turned off in most channels

[knotty vine]

that too

doing dagger amount of damage

until level 5

[rough basalt]

Like you know you screwed up on a martial artist oriented class when in order to compete with John Battlemaster they gotta use a Gun

[knotty vine]

gunk being top 4 through always made me giggle cause of tashas

But again theres a lot of reasons why monk was a bottom tier class in 2014

[rough basalt]

Battlemaster was an oppressively strong option

Cause it was a 2024 class in 2014

[knotty vine]

pretty much

and a 1d8 and one of these cool effects

[rough basalt]

Get all dice back on a short rest

Along with your other Fighter stuff.

[knotty vine]

I dont think you can nerf battle master ngl but the only issue is that its as complex as a half caster sometimes

[rough basalt]

Like for 2024 all they did was make their "know your enemy" feature clearer cause the sub was already perfect

[lavish flame]

Gunk to the rescue!!!

[rough basalt]

Battlemaster was a sub created by a time traveler from the 5.5e team

So people could see what power awaited them in 10 years

[knotty vine]

how to fix monk in 2014 gun

[lavish flame]

In 2014, I don't know if I ever came across a firearm naturally

[fossil hollow]

it took jarlaxle for me

wait, no that was a 2024 game

never saw a gun in 14

[knotty vine]

Ive came across a few

[rough basalt]

Jarlaxle: "Your DM thinks Faerun is Middle Earth? Nah. Showem this." hands Gondian Glock 19 over

[knotty vine]

through it was semi homebrew pepper box doing radiant damage instead of pirecing

And I was a kensei

[lavish flame]

the first time in the system I ever interacred with a gun was me as a DM giving a pirate a pistol during Baldur's Gate: Descent Into Avernus. Idk if anyone ever

I stand corrected. I recall an encounter in which my DM had a sniper several hundred feet away from the party and we had to dart between cover to avoid the damage.

[rough basalt]

Guns are pretty prominent in my setting.

[knotty vine]

I really wish every 3rd party content think had this
THIS IS UNOFFICIAL MATERIAL

These game mechanics are usable in your campaign if your DM allows them but not refined by final game design and editing. They aren’t officially part of the Dungeons & Dragons game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events unless otherwise stated.

[rough basalt]

Reminds me I have a messy Gunslinger in my homebrew backlog

That was putting flamethrower, gatling guns and rocket launchers into my world.

[knotty vine]

I love Exandria through

[rough basalt]

But the kicker was that no known material can actually make them fully functional and durable so they always broke down and fell apart (fixed over rests as flavor for resources)

[knotty vine]

Misfire! your weapon no longer works

[fossil hollow]

jarlaxle brought over smokepowder to my world (beforehand, my setting used expensive mana crystals)

[rough basalt]

Like the Gatling Gun was a once per long rest ability

[knotty vine]

Omg I had a player rage quit at my table because i said no to his AMR

[rough basalt]

For a minute you effectively had a sunbeam of piercing damage.

And the Rocket was equivalent to a sunburst spell

[knotty vine]

He asked me and a I qutoe "whats the highest level tier of Anti matter rifle I can have"

[rough basalt]

Tho I'm considering scrapping it.

[fossil hollow]

none

[knotty vine]

Thats what I said and he left

[rough basalt]

And maybe turning its subs into homebrew subclasses for other classes

[knotty vine]

Then he kept asking for more stuff from the Futuristic tab

[rough basalt]

I'm a big fan of guns in fantasy

[severe rampart]

Simple Pistols, etc. are the only guns that I can tolerate

[knotty vine]

I legit always say that you can use firearms from the Renaissance and a few from the Modern era

[fossil hollow]

i saw gun and fantasy in the same sentence and immediately thought of FFXIV

[rough basalt]

Machinist is peak

[severe rampart]

"Oh yeah DM, can I have a weapon that deals 6d8 damage?"

[fossil hollow]

im also reminded of that rabbit gal with the gun. what was her name?

[rough basalt]

Pistols and Muskets are accessible in my setting pretty easily

[lost flicker]

Question

[rough basalt]

Can't remember

[severe rampart]

hehe dual pistols cowboy

[lost flicker]

What do we think about mentioning other player characters in certain ability and spell rulings in D&D

[fossil hollow]

hm?

[severe rampart]

What does this mean?

[knotty vine]

I never understand people who want to dual wield fire arms it doesnt give you any more attack then you already have

[umbral girder]

Tiamat /jk

[severe rampart]

Cool points

[fossil hollow]

so you never played dmc

[knotty vine]

There is 1 but its 3p

the submachine gun from VToS

[severe rampart]

Cloak of Billowing + Dual Pistols Cowboy

[fossil hollow]

i dont want double for more attacks. i want double for the aura and coolness

[lost flicker]

For example, Hold Person can only target a humanoid

This is meant to exclude creatures such as monstrosities like an owl bear or fiends like a mane

But if you were to add into the clause that you as a player can also target other players with it, it would be a simple work around of that clause that still works within the balance of the game

[severe rampart]

Exactly

[fossil hollow]

i want to be dante, reaper, or whoever else dual wielder gunslingers there are

[atomic moat]

loading properties means it might

[severe rampart]

(Also if you get an extra attack, could flavor that as you shooting from different pistols)

[knotty vine]

As long as the player is a humanoid it works just fine it if the player is a fey or something else it wont

[fossil hollow]

unless specified, pcs are usually humanoids

[knotty vine]

yeah

[lost flicker]

...except it's distinctly specified that not all PCs are humanoids

[knotty vine]

Theres the gunner feat

[lost flicker]

One of the post popular species to play is elf.. a fey

[fossil hollow]

right... im not seeing the issue

[knotty vine]

If it doesnt say that assume humanoid

[rough basalt]

Then it wouldn't work against PCs that aren't humanoids.

[fossil hollow]

elves are humanoids

[knotty vine]

elves are humanoids?

[fossil hollow]

they have fey ancestry

[knotty vine]

all 13 of them

[lost flicker]

There isn't an issue I'm just asking what y'all think of adding clauses to get around it in the case of player characters

[knotty vine]

thats like calling goblins fey

[lost flicker]

My fault,

[fossil hollow]

elves are humanoids

[lost flicker]

Goblins are fey

[knotty vine]

the player race isnt

[fossil hollow]

thats what hold monster is for

[rough basalt]

Hold Person only works on Humanoids its really just that simple.

Hold Monster is for everything.

[fossil hollow]

hold monster works on everything

[knotty vine]

Hold person = humanoid
Hold monster = creature

[fossil hollow]

except undead in 2014

[knotty vine]

Hold monster doesnt work on undead in 2014?

right its enchament

[rough basalt]

Yet another 5.5 W

[lost flicker]

....so you think adding a clause for that is a bad idea?

[rough basalt]

Why would there need to be clauses

[lavish flame]

You've never seen a scene in a movie in which a person unveils their coat/cloak and reveals two tommy guns that they then began spraying?

[fossil hollow]

i dunno why undead were immune to being hel- oh thats why vecna split up with kas.

[knotty vine]

Its a round about way of adding a rule that alreayd exist

[lost flicker]

All of D&D is clauses

[rough basalt]

No?

[severe rampart]

This spell does this, and only this

*except for when they don't

[fossil hollow]

not what sora was saying

[knotty vine]

Oh no I get the coolness factor

[lost flicker]

Except hold monster is a spell slot 3 levels higher

[fossil hollow]

for good reason

[knotty vine]

Thats the point

[rough basalt]

Yes because it works on everything or almost everything which is significantly more powerful.

[lost flicker]

What?

[severe rampart]

holy, almost accidentally clicked on that, these bots are getting more aggressive

[fossil hollow]

theres a reason why hold person is only 2nd level and hold monster is 5th

[lost flicker]

I know, but I'm talking specifically in the terms of player characters

[fossil hollow]

that just seems like you want a gotcha

[knotty vine]

most PCS are humanoids unless stated otherwise through

[rough basalt]

It doesn't matter. Hold Person works on humanoids. Hold Monster works on almost all/all

[severe rampart]

Is there a PC of yours that isn't humanoid?

[knotty vine]

like the thri kreen for example

[fossil hollow]

if you want to hold a pc who isnt humanoid, you can use hold monster

[lavish flame]

I mean, there are enough Fey and Undead and (otherwise) Species Options that are not Humanoids to where this is something to concern yourself with

[knotty vine]

It isnt very common for a Player to be not humanoid because old dnd fear

[lost flicker]

Because hold person targets only humanoids yeah, to distinct away from major monsters, while hold monster is later level because it's expected to target more dangerous creatures, but a 5th level slot to grab a party member is just overzealous

[knotty vine]

There isnt a single undead species option 🙃

[lost flicker]

Most isn't all

[rough basalt]

Most players play Humans, Elves, Dwarves or Tieflings which are all humanoids

[lost flicker]

And is 3 levels higher

[lavish flame]

give it 3 months

[rough basalt]

Newflash
Usually if a spell is more powerful, it's higher level.

[lost flicker]

You say a lot of "mosts" ignoring that "most" isn't "all"

[knotty vine]

theres only like... 9 playable non humanoids out of like what 30+ others

[severe rampart]

Why would you need to hold a PC? what scenario is that needed? unless Lycanthropy, Mind Control, etc. Shenanigans, and couldn't you just... Grapple them?

[rough basalt]

Because part of DnD is that not everything is the same.

[fossil hollow]

non humanoid dnd pcs:

• warforge
• thrikreen
• plasmoid
• kalashtar
• autognome
• satyr
• centaur
• changeling

[lost flicker]

Newsflash, I'm only talking about adding a clause for the sake of getting around the humanoid limitation of hold person in the distinct specification of the target being another player character

[fossil hollow]

why not just use hold monster

[rough basalt]

Which sounds like BS and isn't needed.

[lost flicker]

Aka, it wouldn't be being used in a more powerful manner, and as such, a 5th level slot for that is a waist

[fossil hollow]

youre the dm

[knotty vine]

dont forget fairy!

[lost flicker]

Because it's a 5th level slot

[rough basalt]

Because it's a powerful spell

[fossil hollow]

you can slap that on any monster you like

[lost flicker]

Can you do me a favor and read my messages

[severe rampart]

any monster

[lavish flame]

I think this is enough options to be something to consider

[lost flicker]

You keep repeating yourself blatantly ignoring what I'm saying

[rough basalt]

You're not reading anyone elses.

[severe rampart]

Okay okay, in what scenario do you need your clause for?

[knotty vine]

Why use hold person when instead you coul duse something like... a diffrent second level spe;ll?

[severe rampart]

Are your PCs not humanoid?

[rough basalt]

They don't like that one PC will be immune to a spell.

[severe rampart]

also Nystul's Magic Aura

[lost flicker]

I'm not gonna run around in circles when you refuse to acknowledge what I'm even saying for the sake of your argument

[knotty vine]

Instead of forcing your spell to work

Use a diff one

[severe rampart]

Just use Nystul's Magic Aura

Or whatever it was called that changes the type

[fossil hollow]

... nystuls does work now

[lost flicker]

I have been reading EVERYTHING, it's in fact quite stressful to be so bombarded with 3 people all at once hitting me with different notes when I just came in to ask a question

[knotty vine]

Nystul is such a goofy spell now

[fossil hollow]

wait, nystuls needs willing

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[lost flicker]

If we're gonna discuss this can we at least slow it down this is very overwhelming

[fossil hollow]

its a public server

[knotty vine]

Indeed

[severe rampart]

Okay, in what scenario would your party need to hold person their party member?

[rough basalt]

Alright.
Players are allowed to have abilities that render stuff weak or inert.

[fossil hollow]

echo, you got this 👍

[knotty vine]

I dont see why would you override a players ability to be immune to certain spells thats kinda why those species are even more specail then normal no?

[lost flicker]

Congratulations, I didn't know that meant it was impossible to ask people in said public server to slow down a little because you're being overwhelmed

"it's a public server" so I guess I can't just request we treat it like a public space and not all talk over eachother

[knotty vine]

Its like seeing that your characters ability to fly is too op so the dm cuts your fly speed down to 15ft

[glass granite]

Afternoon folks what did I just enter

[severe rampart]

Let's not argue, this won't be productive

[fossil hollow]

i dunno what you were expecting from asking a place with thousand people and around 100 regulars

[rough basalt]

Someone wants to HB Hold Person to work on all creatures as long as they're PCs.

[knotty vine]

Not really an arugement

[glass granite]

What’s the purpose of doing so?

[severe rampart]

Which PC is immune to hold person? @lost flicker

[lost flicker]

Hold Person was just the example I gave, but it's not in barely about the need it's about the possibility- granting a specific exception to the spell that still keeps it within the bounds of its own spell

[knotty vine]

Im making the point that its making those races feel less special imo

[severe rampart]

Are you worried that the others will think it's unfair?

[rough basalt]

Ik if I'm playing a Satyr and DM says Hold Person works on me I'm dipping.

[glass granite]

Really? I wouldn’t do the same

[severe rampart]

AH I seem to get what you mean

[rough basalt]

Cause who knows what other changes they'll make to negate players features.

[frail wasp]

if thats the tipping point that game was in trouble anyway lol

[lost flicker]

Hey so rushing me with 14 questions before I have a chance to respond also isn't discussing it by the way, in fact when I don't get to respond to your question it makes it really easy for people to assume things,

[glass granite]

Wait does Satyr have a feature that prevents hold person?

[frail wasp]

satyr isnt humanoid, its fey

[rough basalt]

They're Fey

[fossil hollow]

theyre fey

[frail wasp]

but i'd allow it

[rough basalt]

Ey

[knotty vine]

They are a fairy

[glass granite]

Oh shoot you’re right.

[severe rampart]

Pardon. I've been trying to converse with you, however you seem to be keen on responding to the others

[fossil hollow]

ah yes, getting paralyzed to something im supposed to be immune to is fun

[lost flicker]

It's meant to be from the perspective of the player

The player with Hold Person can target other party members, no DM intervention,

That's all I'm talking about

[rough basalt]

I've played with too many DMs who change stuff on the fly to nerf players so I just don't give any chances when it pops up.

[frail wasp]

getting paralyzed isnt about fun lol

[lost flicker]

You're right, sorry, I'm still feeling rather bombarded but yes it would be easier for me to focus on our conversation, I apologize

[knotty vine]

Your not even immune to being paralyzed entirely its only but that spell

[frail wasp]

its not any more fun when humans get paralyzed

[severe rampart]

So here's what I'm getting from this

PCs can cast any spell on other PCs that would otherwise require them to be a different type of creature?

[fossil hollow]

right, and even worse, im supposed to be immune to it

[lost flicker]

Nuance exists, and Hold Person was just the example I gave,

[woven flint]

Reread what they said lol

[lost flicker]

Something along those lines yes

[frail wasp]

nah thats a reductive loook at fun

[knotty vine]

I never like nerfing fly cause flying creatures cause they hardly get any features

[fossil hollow]

🙄 whatever

[knotty vine]

besides like the fairy

they get maybe like 3-4ish features

unless your a linage

[rough basalt]

Flying creatures specifically don't really get anything else because they got permanent flight which is very strong.

[knotty vine]

True! thats why nerfing it feels super redunant

[lost flicker]

"nuance exists" is reductive? Seriously?

[fossil hollow]

if they got limited flight, they typically gucci tho for features

[severe fox]

Seems like that is alive and active

[fossil hollow]

i assume they were talking to me

[lost flicker]

Ah, okay my bad

[lost flicker]

Sorry I misunderstood the target of your message

[severe rampart]

Well, first, you might want to consider that there may be some spells that just won't work, the obvious ones being Speak With Dead, Giant Insect, etc.

If this is a thing you want at your table, you could ask your players what they think about it and discuss it there?

[knotty vine]

I dont understand the point of making a player race feel less special over all is it

[fossil hollow]

also, how the hell is that reductive

[frail wasp]

its okay the channel is hot right now

[woven flint]

I gave up the idea of playing a Fairy because Firbolg has more tasty features and, while it isn't Fey, it's still Fey-Adjacent in lore lol

[rough basalt]

I'd avoid it anyways cause players casting offensive spells on other players is PvP and it working even tho it shouldn't may lead to a bigger anger from the player being initiated PVP on.

[fossil hollow]

if i get a fire immunity potion and the dm says that it does squat shit, how the hell would i not have fun

[severe fox]

what does Giant Insect do

[severe rampart]

makes a spider, centipede, etc. Gigantic I think?

[woven flint]

Summon a giant insect

[severe fox]

BIg BEE

[fossil hollow]

ah yes, the thing you got is actually none existent, eat shit

[severe fox]

Big bees hand?

[frail wasp]

isnt there a monster that bypasses fire immunity...?

[severe rampart]

So if you got the ability to target a PC using that spell, giant PC?

[severe fox]

yes and no

[lost flicker]

It's specifically only meant to target player characters

Speak with Dead and Giant Insect wouldn't work because neither target Player Characters- Speak with Dead can technically but at that point there's no species restriction, it's just "talk to a corpse"

I'm specifically talking in terms of spells that specify "humanoid" for the sake of balance, and including that concept of "humanoid" to encapsulate other PC's when cast by a PC

[rough basalt]

Life's too short to deal with adversarial dms.

[frail wasp]

one of the fiends im pretty sure

[woven flint]

Trooth^

[severe fox]

chains of asmodeus mod

[fossil hollow]

we're already tlaking about homebrew, why do we need to use an official example

[severe fox]

Not entirely official

[rough basalt]

Like I had a DM who changed Hellhounds to a different creature on the fly so my Divine Smite wouldn't get an additional damage die.

[severe rampart]

Such as Dominate Person, Charm Person, etc.?

[fossil hollow]

if youre homebrewing hold person to work on fey pcs, why is this any different

[frail wasp]

i dunno

[lost flicker]

I can discuss it with my players but ultimately I was looking for opinions here and instead I feel like I got bombarded with too many strawman arguments and people who weren't listening to anything I was saying

[severe fox]

thats wild

[frail wasp]

there's no structural reason why Hold Fey couldn't be a spell

[lost flicker]

I appreciate you taking the time to discuss it with me rather than barking disagreement at me

[severe fox]

Id leave stright up

[glass granite]

Personally I simply don’t see the point of allowing such spells to target non-humanoids. Avacyn, (and apologies if you’ve already mentioned it), what’s a use case that you were thinking?

[rough basalt]

Cause Hold Monster exists.

[severe rampart]

Nothing productive would be done if we all talked over each other

[severe fox]

Hold that monster

[fossil hollow]

that was never what the convo was about...

[frail wasp]

thats not a structural reason

[lost flicker]

Structurally no, design wise though it's effectively redundant, when you can just add the clause to hold person

[woven flint]

This 100 ^

[severe fox]

Then you would need to add hold fiend hold celestial hold blah blah blah

[fossil hollow]

what does makeing hold fey have to do with anything anyway

[rough basalt]

Well it's part of the structure of the game so it is a structural reason.

[fossil hollow]

the convo was about hold person on fey

[severe fox]

and thats just causing a bunch of bloat

[severe rampart]

It's the same reason why water walk works on Lava, etc.

[frail wasp]

sure, its just an example of how it could be done

a blessing would be more elegant 100%

[lost flicker]

Does water walk work on lava??

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: This is how sorcery works in Shadowrun. You get the slay [species] spell. You need to learn the spell a different time for every different species you want to target with it

[woven flint]

Folks
Hold Hold
🤔
Thoughts?

[severe fox]

Yes

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[lost flicker]

Sick

[woven flint]

Yes, it's a liquid

[rough basalt]

This is just more vindication of my discussion I had one time with Tamms I think where Hold Person should be Hold Humanoid and Hold Monster be Hold Creature.

[severe fox]

Itll burn you through watch out!

[severe rampart]

We don't have Snow Walk, Lava Walk, etc. because that'd just be insane

[hot marlin]

"This spell grants the ability to move across any liquid surface – such as water, acid, mud, snow, quicksand, or lava – as if it were harmless solid ground (creatures crossing molten lava can still take damage from the heat)."

[glass granite]

Yup! It’s specifically mentioned in the spell iirc

[fossil hollow]

i need to make a volcano dungeon for my sunday game

[woven flint]

My Elements Monk used his ability to run over liquids to run over an acid lake to Aura Farm lol
He still took some damage, but he was holding the head of an adult black dragon to show its minions

[fossil hollow]

dammit tokii is here, ruuuun

[cosmic roost]

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[severe rampart]

oooh hey, 40 minutes till my CoS game

[fossil hollow]

i said nothiiiing

[hot marlin]

I saw what you said. I take bribes.

[fossil hollow]

that was fun

[severe fox]

LOL

[rough basalt]

Ye part of a streamlined system is making most stuff that used to be spells bundled together.

[fossil hollow]

another black dragon in acid pit against you

[severe rampart]

"a little something something, for me"

[woven flint]

Sumatra was a MENACE

[severe fox]

aw come on Ti at least give him a heroic for that

[hot marlin]

You know I love black dragon fights.

[rough basalt]

Like pretty sure in old DnD there was a Hold spell for each creature type

And snow walk, acid walk ect.

[severe fox]

not exactly

[fossil hollow]

this one grapples you into the acid pits

[severe rampart]

Make them wear those wrestler masks

[fossil hollow]

you will meet the same fate rogue did

[severe fox]

BUT there was a subclass of "sorcerer" that allowed you to change your spells to effect other creautres

[hot marlin]

You know I love enemies that use their features intelligently. And wasn't I the one who taught you this tactic?

[rough basalt]

Oh really? They were just printing stuff monthly so I figured there'd be a spell for everything.

[severe fox]

So from hold person to = hold fey

[fossil hollow]

yes, and i love you for it

you give me the best things to use against you and the others

[hot marlin]

I would rather lose against a monster played with perfect tactics than win against a monster taking it easy

[severe fox]

It was really complex stuff

[fossil hollow]

fair nough

[severe fox]

I think almost any class could do it but no one ever did

[severe rampart]

I need glasses, I keep seeing Incubus' pfp as a guy with a huge beard like Gandalf

[woven flint]

I love how Black Dragons and White Dragons are different types of Homicidal Maniac

Black Dragons being Cunning and Vengeful

And White Dragons just wanting to eat anything they can get their teeth on

[hot marlin]

It's hair!

[fossil hollow]

you should make a "The Monsters Will Relish Your End"

[severe rampart]

Beards are also hair... technically

[severe fox]

Gandalf the white

[fossil hollow]

... its not a hood?

its not a hood???

[rough basalt]

Agreed.
If I win a fight cause the monsters have a "range of errors yeah sure errors" it takes me out of the game.

[severe rampart]

wait wait

[fossil hollow]

oh wait, its hair and hood

[severe rampart]

his pfp is holding a SWORD? and not a staff??

[fossil hollow]

what????

[hot marlin]

... What?

[fossil hollow]

you utter fiend, you lie

[hot marlin]

There's white hair and a brown hood

And yes it's a sword!

[severe rampart]

you seemed more like a staff man

[fossil hollow]

i thought ur pfp didnt have a hood for a moment lol. failed my perception check and wis check against fear.

fiend

[woven flint]

Then Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White
And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight- 🎶

Got lost in the sauce 😔

[fossil hollow]

i just gave him a staff of insects

[woven flint]

And my Cleric just got a staff of Healing too lol

[viral kraken]

that sounds like quite the showdown of some amount of destiny

[woven flint]

That's what I'm saying!!!

[severe rampart]

yum

[fossil hollow]

scusi, i need to vomit

[severe rampart]

sounds like free breakfast right there

[rough basalt]

I need to kill a PC

[hot marlin]

Considering that the character in my pfp is called "Sword King of the Middle Army. Lord of the Golden Army. Bearer of the word Flame. King of the Pit. Laughing God. Glitter God. The Beggar King" and a few other titles, yes. It's a sword.

[woven flint]

I get to play more of my Punchy Clanker tomorrow

[rough basalt]

Yet another weekend of no tabletop

[severe rampart]

What should I do for my session of DMing today...

[fossil hollow]

i get to beat up punchy clanker tomorrow

[fossil hollow]

strahd visit

[severe rampart]

Vallaki 😔

[rough basalt]

cause I was too brain fried and brain busy and felt bad to be in my saturday game where i wasnt gonna have the energy to be invested

[woven flint]

It's funny
Two of my D&D Characters are Warforged that fought with their fists
Neither are A Monk lmao

[severe rampart]

What are your unarmed strikes dice?

[rough basalt]

I hate not having a tabletop game after wednesday until Monday

[fossil hollow]

the loathso-

[broken rover]

Is this server reliable for games, I see a lot of people asking for players but they don't message them back or something. I have the biggest itch right now to play a campaign and want to find one fast, and was wondering if the "looking-for-players" channel was actually reliable

[woven flint]

Vanguard (Armorer Artificer)
And
Sentry (Dog & Hound Pugilist)

[rough basalt]

Yes and no

[fossil hollow]

30/70

[severe rampart]

10/90

[rough basalt]

You can easily find games but whether games actually happen then actually continue going is very slim

[hot marlin]

He also killed the most main characters in the comic he's from. Seriously, he has the record of main characters killed

[broken rover]

geez

[woven flint]

Only two warforged I've ever played and BOTH fight with their fists 😭

[rough basalt]

A lot of people like the idea of dnd more than actually playing

[hot marlin]

Admittedly, that record is two. But they were very important characters to that story

[fossil hollow]

how many main characters are there for there to be that many

oh, 2 makes sense

[broken rover]

whats the best way then, IM ITCHING and I need the itch

[severe rampart]

Play Solo D&D?

[hot marlin]

And always very undignified death. He is my inspiration as a DM.

[rough basalt]

Make the best of the 1 session of each group before it falls apart

[fossil hollow]

local game stores, gambling and repeating the process until you land on the right group

[severe rampart]

Which Imagination: Premium

[hot marlin]

No last words. No mercy. Brutal deaths, delivered with efficiency. Killed mid-sentence.

[woven flint]

I should play a Warforged Monk eventually then have a Tri-Fecta of Warforged fist-fighters

[rough basalt]

Theres something I like calling the 3 session rule

[hot marlin]

And the fear in their eyes as he kills... Oh, this is what a DM must be.

[broken rover]

I have tried but a lot of the times the DnD nights fall on days I work

[fossil hollow]

needs a paladin with unarmed fighting

[rough basalt]

90% of games collapse from the moment of inception until session 3

[severe rampart]

well, 97%

[rough basalt]

if a group gets past session 3 the likelihood of the game keeping going increases with every session

[fossil hollow]

this is why i kidnap particular people

[rough basalt]

Unless the DM has a breakdown, some player gets creepy and ruins the table

[hot marlin]

So anyways, did I miss an interesting conversation recently? Please tell me I did not miss an alignment conversation.

[fossil hollow]

the lfg channel gave me, like 10% of my players

[frail wasp]

we can start one just for you

[severe rampart]

Could also hold them accountable for their actions if they do something weird

[broken rover]

I just want a good solid group to play with, every single time I get into a campaign I get so excited about how the characters will interact and grow and what not. just to never speak about the game again

[rough basalt]

Most people I get from LFGs end up ghosting or i have to remove them

[viral kraken]

oh ya, i hit the curb recently, and my dm who happens to be my mechanic says my alignment is off now

[fossil hollow]

and i know them enough by then to bash em for it

[broken rover]

and the last time I joined one , the DM was trying to force me to do weird things with another player and I left T_T

[woven flint]

Sentry, Vanguard, Glory and Serendipity

[rough basalt]

Some dude in my wednesday game didnt show up last wednesday and hasn't said anything so I'm gonna be removing him

[severe rampart]

How should I handle this Hexblade Warlock with The Haunted One background?

[fossil hollow]

Lego Joker voice: SERENDIPITY?!

[frail wasp]

with a greataxe

[broken rover]

its the WORST I remember getting so excited and ready for a game and then 2 people just went radio silent

[severe rampart]

The character concept is very cool, I'm newer as a DM so I'm afraid I might not do it justice

[woven flint]

Or, I could name the Warforged Monk "Sanctuary" but that sounds better for a Druid lol

[rough basalt]

Yeah idk. Dude didnt even leave the server

[fossil hollow]

monastery

[frail wasp]

do you have a handle on what they're haunted by?

[rough basalt]

So he can't play like a "i lost my computer" card or anything cause I've seen him online on the desktop app

[woven flint]

Nah, that's a little TOO on the nose lol

[quaint hound]

hello hello

[severe rampart]

a monster killed everyone in their village, but left them alive, they don't know why

[rough basalt]

if he doesnt show up to next wednesday session i'll pull the trigger

[frail wasp]

oh thats a glorious one

[fossil hollow]

someone needs to spread the stories

[broken rover]

like you said earlier, a lot of people like the idea of DnD rather than actually play it

[fossil hollow]

and bring in more food and toys

[frail wasp]

easy option is to put a monster inside of the PC

[rough basalt]

I didnt run this week cause I got sick due to a power outage during a cold snap

[severe rampart]

How do you mean

[rough basalt]

so im being lenient and giving him till next wednesday

[woven flint]

Lamashtu would like to know your location

[fossil hollow]

they are the monster who killed everyone

[broken rover]

I dont know what to do tho, I have friends who want to play but then they stop talking about it. Then, I have online games that are prepared just to fall through. Like pleaseee there has to be another way to get a group to play

[fossil hollow]

supressed alt ego, goblin and norman osborn style

[severe rampart]

Thank you Ti

[frail wasp]

if their questing career involves them murdering colonies of monsters, then that's an easy path to giving the PC village/backstory flashbacks parallel to their actions, and some of the rewards you give out can be innate powers for that PC ... which flashback to powers that monster also had

[rough basalt]

There isn't really

[woven flint]

Jykll and Hyde

[severe rampart]

LOL their last character was named "Norman", (I killed Norman last session)

[rough basalt]

Unless you wanna start paying for games

[severe rampart]

That works... wonderfully

[rough basalt]

Paid games have a higher retention rate, just gotta find a good paid dm

[fossil hollow]

his next one should be named DaFriend

first name Wyll

[broken rover]

like I have a wechselkind bard(college of requiems) that scribes the songs of dead people into an internal phonograph cylinder in his chest, BUT I CAN"T EVEN PLAY HIM

[rough basalt]

Cause a lot of flakey people aren't the types to spend money on such things

Not that there aren't flakers in paid games, there are, its just considerably less

[severe rampart]

very grateful towards my PCs that they don't leave after dying once, that's a real issue

[rough basalt]

I had that happen with a guy who was in my group for a year

[broken rover]

yeah but then they are like, we have games every week and every session is 30 bucks. like dudeee I dont have 120 weekly to spend on it

as much as I would like too, I just can't

[rough basalt]

He got double critted and hit a third time in the same multiattack by a necromancer

for like 150 damage or some crap

between 120-150

[rough basalt]

theres cheaper games

I think the average price range is 15 to 25

A green flag for them imo is free session 0s

[fossil hollow]

thats still 100 bucks

[hot marlin]

Option 1: They are the monster, unbeknownst to them
Option 2: The village was an evil cult planning on sacrificing them. The "monster" was a celestial who protected them
Option 3: The monster is a stalker, obsessed with them, full-on erotomania. They killed other people because they see it as "protecting" the target of their affection
Option 4: The monster has a gift for prophecy and divination, spared that one life in order to set forth a chain of events (Incubus' note: Not recommended)
Option 5: The monster was in the middle of a mindless rampage, and came to their senses right at the end. It is a curse that drives them to murderous insanity
Option 6: The monster was under a geas or other magical compulsion not to harm a certain bloodline that the PC is part of.

[fossil hollow]

i may work in framing, but thats more than a day of work for me

[rough basalt]

It's an option if you don't wanna keep rolling the free to play gacha for SSR players.

[fossil hollow]

wait, maths wrong, its 80% of a work day

[fossil hollow]

100 bucks weekly is 5200

[rough basalt]

Why are you paying 100 bucks for one session?

[fossil hollow]

im not

[fossil hollow]

^

going off this still

[rough basalt]

One session a week im assuming

[hot marlin]

Last one for the road.
Option 7: The monster is "nature's revenge". The entire village was doing something. Drinking from a sacred river, throwing their waste at what once was a ritual circle, building their houses from dryad trees. The character was spared because they were too young, or because they unknowingly did a penance ritual.

[rough basalt]

If its some madman running 4 sessions of the same game a week then yeah no, just become a dm and start rolling the gacha

[fossil hollow]

cant say ive heard of a daily game either

[rough basalt]

Thats probably the best idea

[hot marlin]

Actually I used to run a bi-weekly game, a few years ago. We played on tuesday and thursday.

[fossil hollow]

having a game every day of the week? sure.

but a daily game? what heaven is this?

[rough basalt]

Become a dm and start rolling the free to play gacha summon for SR players to build up a solid starter team then try and get SSR players off of soft and hard pity

[fossil hollow]

whose dream am i in

[fossil hollow]

i should try that.... hmmmm

[severe rampart]

god I hate the word bi-weekly 😭

[rough basalt]

SR players you can get some good short form campaigns out of

but SSR players are the ones to use for long term games

[severe rampart]

bi-weekly (twice a week or once every two weeks) come on

[broken rover]

idk, I have had bad luck on stuff like roll20

[fossil hollow]

the former i assume

every tues and thurs is what the fiend said

[hot marlin]

Addendum: It worked because of the narrative structure of that specific game. It was a military campaign, so generally we played their deployments on one day, their stuff at the fortress the other day.

[severe rampart]

I got that from the tuesday and thursday thing

But yeah, poor design choice

[rough basalt]

I don't really like biweekly unfortunately

[fossil hollow]

ooh

[hot marlin]

Acronyms my nemesis. I meet you again, on this battlefield

[severe rampart]

we gotta take it up to the word department

[fossil hollow]

its just gacha system acronyms, super rare, super super rare

[hot marlin]

A fiend?! Where?

[rough basalt]

I'm referring to players based off gacha game rarity where SR is Super Rare and SSR is Super Super Rare

Like Super Rare players are ones who engage but dont have great resistances against Flake enemies and Scrolling tik tok enemies

[fossil hollow]

divine sense is going off, and it reveals an incubus within staring range

[rough basalt]

Super Super Rare players are the types that go "oh? the dm put out a plot hook? Splendid. I should take it."

[broken rover]

all I want is a good group to play with with good roleplay and good game understanding and a DM that likes to set scenes and to roleplay even more so than the players, and to be consistent. is that too much to ask for, for little ol me.

[fossil hollow]

unfortunately yes. getting a perfect group is like finding a date, but youre multiplying that into a group

[rough basalt]

Getting a forever group is like finding a marriage partner, and several other partners.

[severe rampart]

Hey-!... no that's about right actually

[fossil hollow]

dnd is a polycule, didnt ya know?

[hot marlin]

The trick of course was that the "fortress" sessions could be spent training, meeting with superiors, having equipment customized, "unlocking" side quests (I had a "system" where every NPC at the fortress had a plot hook that they could get by befriending that NPC, and the more befriended they were, the more they were willing to teach the PCs or customize their equipment) or the fortress was attacked. Or they had to hunt down an infiltrator. Or they had to investigate the many secrets of that fortress

[broken rover]

literally, imagine finding 4-5 love of your lives

[severe rampart]

I thought it was a Coven

[fossil hollow]

oh my god the hags were roomates

[severe rampart]

or an androgynous unidentified block of slime

[hot marlin]

So while some weeks were a clean "tuesday session, one-shot deployment to this battleground, thursday sessions will be more about engaging in the social aspect of the game", I did throw a wrench in those plans often

[rough basalt]

I respect people who can do biweekly

[broken rover]

is there any other discords that have more consistent players ,or like people who don't post random homebrew campaigns they thought of 5 minutes ago and then forget they ever posted it

[rough basalt]

I've tried before but when sessions got cancelled itd be too depressing

[severe rampart]

10 minutes till my session oh boy here I go!

[rough basalt]

Not really.

There are discords with active lfgs like VTT discords and Discord of Many Things but you're gonna find flakey people and unfit players everywhere

[hot marlin]

It was back in the days where I ran paid games. Since the policy was that you'd be charged anyways unless you cancel twenty four hours before the game, people showed up

[severe rampart]

Oh my god my players are earlier than me

they're already in the voice chat

[rough basalt]

I've been having that and it feels good

[severe rampart]

It really does

[broken rover]

lucky ppl

[rough basalt]

Its just the luxury of being a dm

you get more rolls on the player gacha for groups

The downside is a lot of people you recruit will never wanna dm for you

I'd argue most

[broken rover]

I am just losing my mind abt it and snapped today, I have joined like 20+ discord servers and none worked

[rough basalt]

yeah it can get maddening

Rn im looking to run some one shots from Adventures in Faerun now that the weathers getting better I wanna up my game endurance so i can handle more games a week

It's hard when the weather wants to go from 80 to 20 in a day.

[broken rover]

ac and heater on in the same day

[paper rapids]

can i do a cyberpunk fantasy world for a dnd campaign

[broken rover]

magic of dnd is you can do anything

[hot marlin]

There is a difference between "can" and "should"

[broken rover]

even the walmart campaign

[paper rapids]

at some point i will then

[rough basalt]

DnD is very much designed almost solely for High Fantasy. So keep that in mind

[hot marlin]

Now if you want an actual cyberpunk fantasy.... Let me introduce you to Shadowrun. A game that has existed for 40 years, and is excellent.

[rough basalt]

Shadowrun is Cyberpunk Fantasy

[broken rover]

hold up

[rough basalt]

It actually came out within a year of the original cyberpunk iirc

[broken rover]

are you guys gonna say jinx or what

[paper rapids]

ill check that out then

[rough basalt]

Cause some madlads saw cyberpunk and were like "what if, elves and dragons and crap"

[lavish flame]

You could, but you'd find the experience overall better/smoother in the Cyberpunk Red or Shadowrun system

[rough basalt]

Shadowrun, the world where a Dragon got elected the president of the united states

then assassinated within 12 hours

[hot marlin]

Shadowrun, the world where an advocacy group for the rights of orcs and trolls is called the Sons of Sauron.

[broken rover]

biggest problems of homebrews is mechanics not being thought out.

[rough basalt]

(he actually sacrificed himself for the good of the world, the "assassination" was a coverup)

[hot marlin]

Shadowrun, the world where a dragon razed Tehran to the ground.

[rough basalt]

Shadowrun is a world where you'll never stop questioning what the writers were on

As well as the designers

and the artists

[paper rapids]

would it be difficult to do my own world with shadowrun

[hot marlin]

Shadowrun, the world where AIs have used nanobots to rewrite a dragon's brain.

[rough basalt]

And Detroit is a utopian metropolis ran by a Dragon

[hot marlin]

And Chicago was overrun with Insect Spirits

[broken rover]

has anyone tried out Twilight: 2000

[rough basalt]

Not too hard

Most of the difficulty would be actually learning the system

But funny enough itd be easier than trying to make DnD work for it

[hot marlin]

Thing is: Cyberpunk, due to the genre, requires rules for hacking, for informatic security systems, and for cybernetics.

[rough basalt]

Shadowrun has a pretty niche but active community that ime has been very helpful in trying it out

But like any community there's bad people

DnD holds the problem player crown tho due to overwhelming number advantage

[paper rapids]

messing around or needs to have there hard drive searched bad?

[rough basalt]

From what i can gather they're mostly overzealous about the dark themes of shadowrun

[paper rapids]

i can work with that i think

[rough basalt]

But it's a small minority

[paper rapids]

ok

[hot marlin]

I am definitely a bit guilty of that

[rough basalt]

Some systems have fame for problem players but its mainly cause negativity spreads easier on the internet

[hot marlin]

I love dark themes, I love to dive straight in them, I love to delve into realistic, horrible, familiar darkness

[mellow ether]

Hai

[rough basalt]

Few bad eggs and all that

[vast saddle]

Guys, idk why real life party that I personally know could be the greatest help when I'm emotionally bleeding

Finally, I'm ready to return to the campaign after I consoled with them

I guess, real life play is what I need afterall

[hot marlin]

Anyways: I do not recommend using D&D for cyberpunk fantasy

D&D is built for one thing. Adventuring parties delving into a dangerous high fantasy world. The more you get away from that, the less the game functions.

[rough basalt]

A lot of people try to fit anything into dnd and it always leads to more work than it'd be to learn another system and usually a mess.

And the times it works "successfully" I guess a lot of it is they don't even use any rules at all and just free-form RP with dice and call it DnD

[vast saddle]

We have interstellar travel and alien race before. What did go wrong?

[rough basalt]

Spelljammer is very space opera. It's still high fantasy, just in space.

[hot marlin]

These are still adventuring parties delving into a dangerous high fantasy world. Just in space

[rough basalt]

Instead of a cave of goblins, it's a Moon ran by Space Clowns.

[frail wasp]

and then there's the feywild

[rough basalt]

Pretty much every dnd setting can handle the fact that PCs can get reality warping abilities.

But when you want something like Cyberpunk fantasy where 99% of people live in squalor killing each other for a way out, PCs that can eradicate entire gangs after a couple levels it falls apart pretty easily.

But in Shadowrun for example, Mages are strong but they're volatile and can end up 0hping themselves

And their "height" of power is essentially being able to blast through someones armor easily, or a small area of mind control

[broken rover]

I have never used anything from grim hollow until this Bard :college of requiems, are DMs fine with me using it or what

[fossil hollow]

depends on dm. i know theres been a lot of love for grim hollow recently

[rough basalt]

Youd have to ask the dm

[fossil hollow]

i personally have never touched any grim hollow content

[rough basalt]

I wouldn't expect third party to be allowed, but Grim Hollow is a well regarded one so I see it being more likely than others

[jolly canyon]

My player is rocking grim surgeon which I think is from that setting

[limber trail]

It's up to the DM. I know I certainly just categorically don't allow third party content. I know DMs who do.

[rough basalt]

Third party tends to have balancing issues ime

[fossil hollow]

knome

[woven flint]

I've the sudden urge to play a Soulknife Rogue eventually

[fossil hollow]

you should play one in icewind

wait, are you playing icewind

[rough basalt]

I allow third party I own

[broken rover]

i am mainly just using the race wechselkind

[rough basalt]

Which is Tal'Dorei Reborn, and a few options from the Gamemasters Book of Series

[broken rover]

and I am not using any of the spells from college of requiems

[woven flint]

Idk
Probably not lol

[fossil hollow]

damn

[limber trail]

thats me

[fossil hollow]

:)

[hot marlin]

Uh... A Shadowrun 5th edition mystic adept or magician can get crazy powerful. But it requires multiple levels of initiation.

[fossil hollow]

pfp change from the fiend, what the hell

[hot marlin]

And they'd still die if shot from an automatic rifle out of cover a few times

[rough basalt]

I'm brand new, but my assumption is a Shadowrun mage cant get meteor swarm

[woven flint]

I like the idea of playing a Soulknife Rogue in a social setting and just being the ultimate assassin lol
Just make deaths look natural

[rough basalt]

But they could steal the launch codes for "meteor swarm"

[hot marlin]

Oh, yeah, no.

[rough basalt]

Meteors that happen to look like missiles that blow up and have radioactive residue

[woven flint]

Soulknife gives me the urge to play an Evil character
But not like... Murderhobo evil
Just someone threatening
"I could kill you with my mind and nobody would know it was me"
Type of ordeal

[rough basalt]

I wanna play a shaman at some point when i got the mental room to play shadowrun

[wanton sable]

Hi everyone, I just joined and I’m excited to be here, looking forward to chatting

[rough basalt]

But rn im just trying to get my game endurance up

So ima be rapid fire running one shots from "Adventures in Faerun"

Gonna do all the high level ones then work down to the low level ones

[woven flint]

If I didn't have so many damn parties with Rogues in them, I'd be glad to replace a character of mine with a Soulknife Rogue if they died

[rough basalt]

Get ready for when my monday party hits t3

[limber trail]

imos and artanza could die at the same time

we almost lost one of them

[woven flint]

You could kill Imos

[limber trail]

Hokrun couldn't

I could but Hokrun couldn't

[woven flint]

I could kill Imos

... Artanza wouldn't lmao

[limber trail]

Hokrun would stop you

[jolly canyon]

I wanna play literally anything sad dm noises

The westmarch I'm in is fun but a campaign would be nice. One day I'll find the time

[rough basalt]

After I run out all the one shots in Adventures in Faerun or get bored I think ima try out Eberron or run some stuff in Greyhawk again

My setting guides come to a halt so i need new inspiration too

[jolly canyon]

To play in or dm?

[rough basalt]

dm

[jolly canyon]

Low fantasy sounds fun too. I wanna try everything . In time I will

[rough basalt]

I dont much enjoy playing 5e as a player anymore tbh

One game as a player is enough for me

[jolly canyon]

Valid. I'm curious how I'd feel about being a player in a campaign 🤔

I know I want to but I don't know how it feels

[rough basalt]

I just enjoy the dms side of the table more now

One game as a player is nice, is enough

[hot marlin]

For low fantasy TTRPG try:
Any of the Middle-Earth RPGs!
A song of Ice and Fire RPG
Pendragon
GURPS

[jolly canyon]

I was thinking Greyhawk but like any works since I know next to nothing about any low setting. Is vecna from Greyhawk? 🤔

[hot marlin]

Also, didn't see that. Yes. Same character though, just a different panel

[rough basalt]

Ye he is

[hot marlin]

And I'm still not a fiend!

[rough basalt]

Greyhawk is not really "low fantasy" tho id say

[jolly canyon]

I enjoy my job. Ironically enough even the WM I joined was supposed to be me as purely a player but the DMs have a server full of ravenous players who are like available to play several session even in the same day!!! I stepped up to help and now my first one shot is om Sunday as a dm to experienced players!

[hot marlin]

Hell's sake, why do people think I'm a fiend?

[rough basalt]

It's got some scifi wackyness

[fossil hollow]

i wonder why

hey, theres a soul waiting to be claimed over there

[rough basalt]

Its got guns, alien ships.

The original tomb of horrors

Airships

They're Dirigibles, hot air balloon ships rather than magic airships like FR and Eberron

[hot marlin]

Please. This is obviously a trap. Have you spent time in the abyss? It's the equivalent of the juvenile prank of the dollar bill on the ground tied to a string so that when you try to pick it up, the prankster pulls it away. Except this time the prankster is a marilith and she cuts your head off

[fossil hollow]

hey, it works every so often

[hot marlin]

With lemures, maybe.

[fossil hollow]

spined and bearded devils i hear arent all too smart

[hot marlin]

Yeah but they're trained. You do this prank once, their instructor explains it to them.

Not that I killed a lot of devils.

[fossil hollow]

youve only killed like, one in BGDIA.

[broken rover]

I know I asked this earlier but one last time, is there any places I can look for a potential game that you guys could recommend please please pleasey please

[hot marlin]

I look forward to drastically reducing the population of the Nine Hells.

[fossil hollow]

there are new sinners everyday yknow

[woven flint]

Bogey in the corner sipping on some coffee
"Eh?"
Lmao

[fossil hollow]

r/lfg, check out this helpful document from another usual in the server:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rjwuod1lNBM5n4X_TH2ZoqTULv53jWaVMXtrzKVboms/edit?usp=sharing

[fossil hollow]

i would have also thought candlekeep would have been the bigger highlight lmao

[hot marlin]

My character looks forward to drowning in books. I look forward to purge the lower planes of the devil scourge.

[fossil hollow]

fair nough

potential demon... does respect and use demonlord titles

[broken rover]

I was using the locator from wizards . com and bruh, people in my area do not play DnD but apparently everyone plays MAGIC. I mean there are 50000 Magic events

[fossil hollow]

makes sense. mtg requires less prep than dnd

[jolly canyon]

Magic do be indeed very popular

[broken rover]

Its everywhere, every single comic store, card store, game store, its all magic

[burnt grove]

I mean it’s the king of card games for a reason or should be lol

[broken rover]

Yeah, I just never realized how large it is in my area

[mighty wharf]

If you outspeed enemies, and just kite them while using ranged attacks... you basically just win encounters, don't you?

[fossil hollow]

they can give up

[mighty wharf]

Lol

[fossil hollow]

that assumes white room scenarios

[mighty wharf]

But it is a scenario

[fossil hollow]

thats applicable a slim chance

[coarse ravine]

I mean teleportation enemies are also a scenerio

[mighty wharf]

Yes, but how frequent is that really and can their teleportation really match the level of speed you can accomplish with a PC?

[fossil hollow]

depends entirely on dm. which is why white room is not reliable

i love fast and teleporting bastards

[mighty wharf]

Phantom Steed, it has 100ft movespeed and can dash for 200ft.

[fossil hollow]

i also love restraining and paralyzing bastards

[woven flint]

You can't always assume you're going to be in a wide open area

[fossil hollow]

the thing is, thats assuming you have enough space to run around

[mighty wharf]

That's true

[fossil hollow]

rooms and dungeons are a thing

[woven flint]

Also, most enemies don't have to fight you on YOUR terms

[mighty wharf]

But, my DM LOVES to use wide open areas to space enemies out and make my job harder as a control wizard.

In those densely packed scenarios with a lot of enemies, I have hypnotic pattern.

Or, web

[fossil hollow]

welp, i hope your dm adapts slow then

[cobalt owl]

Rare areamaxxing DM

[lavish flame]

I really like having large battlemaps

[cobalt owl]

I remember when there was a stint of time that I made maps 200 feet big to longbow Max

[lavish flame]

makes those times where you can only attack 60ft vs 120 ft matter

[fossil hollow]

my players often groan when i pull out the giant enclaves or skt maps

[cobalt owl]

Eldritch Spear and Sharpshooter laugh

[lavish flame]

hey that Star Forge is maybe too big

[woven flint]

I find long range disheartening on my Cleric because the longest ranged things he has actually require him using resources
Most of his Cantrips are 60 feet in range 😔

[fossil hollow]

i forgot you were in it lmao

[cobalt owl]

That's the duality of big maps

Melee people cry while ranged people laugh

[woven flint]

60 feet, realistically isn't shit ranged wise

[cobalt owl]

It's like 18m

[lavish flame]

merely 12 squares, its 1 Dash away

[woven flint]

Especially when you're a class that doesn't have a lot of mobility like Clerics

[cobalt owl]

Get horse

[woven flint]

No.

[lavish flame]

Get Axebeak?

[woven flint]

One of my characters already does mounted shit

[cobalt owl]

You should do it too

[woven flint]

What?

[cobalt owl]

You read correctly

[lavish flame]

do Clerics get like... any teleport spells?

[woven flint]

...
That doesn't make ANY sense

[lavish flame]

Word of Recall, but no Dimension Door/Misty Step?

[cobalt owl]

Teleportation Circle and Word of Recall

You get dim door if you're trickery

[woven flint]

Yes, but high level long ranged things

[cobalt owl]

It does lol

[lavish flame]

yeah who's burning a Plane Shift to travel behind a window, yknow

[woven flint]

"I already do it with one of my characters"

"You should do it too"

That, indeed, does NOT make any sense.

[hot marlin]

A potential demon? Where?!

[cobalt owl]

I'm not talking abt your cha, I'm talking about you, Tokii

[fossil hollow]

grazzt is right behind you

[woven flint]

Okay.

[hot marlin]

That's "Lord Graz'zt" or "The Dark Prince" to you.

[cobalt owl]

You should get mounted, Now

[lavish flame]

phrasing

[fossil hollow]

right, the lord of all sl-

[woven flint]

I DO have Misty Step on my knowledge Cleric due to Fey Touched, but besides the once per day free casting, its hard to weave between the things I do lmao

[hot marlin]

Misty step is best saved as your panic button. Need to escape from a grapple? Need to cross a gap quickly? Need to avoid dangerous terrain?

If you only have it once per day, you have to be careful when to use it. It's a trump card when used right

[woven flint]

I typically use it to get closer when shit is out of range for my cleric normally

I've got like
19 AC + the Shield Spell from Wizard Magic Initiate
I'm not afriad of melee lol

He's bulky for a Knowledge Cleric..
But that's because he's a Tortle
17 AC naturally + a Shield + the Shield Spell goes a pretty far way lol
He's also got Shocking Grasp from Wizard Magic Initiate for extra points

My armor proficiencies forever sit unused and I find it freeing not to worry about armor on my cleric lol

I can also slap on Shield of Faith for a +2 If I'm REALLY startled lmao

I think He's taken the least damage out of everyone in the group lol

[limber trail]

I haven’t taken a ton either

Probably more than you but not a ton

[rough basalt]

Next PC i play i wanna be more support oriented

[fossil hollow]

deflect attacks is crazy every campaign ive seen monk in

garth and imos are beasts when it comes to reducing damage

[limber trail]

Deflects, I’ve got a pretty good AC, and I just stay away from enemies these days

[woven flint]

We might face things that can actually kill us... eventually

[rough basalt]

if someone tries to play a support in the next game im a player in, I'm gonna domain expansion them

[hot marlin]

Did I ever tell you about the time I killed a monk NPC by shooting him with an arrow that he deflected and threw back at me that I deflected and threw back at him?

Landed right in his throat.

[limber trail]

it would be nice to have a fight last more than 2 turns just once

[fossil hollow]

horizon 2.0 has been spotted 😭

[woven flint]

We should just sell our elemental summoning items and fight things raw by ourselves tbh

[hot marlin]

One day I'll be in a fight with like nothing but monks. One will shoot an arrow, and we'll just spend the entire round playing tennis with it.

[woven flint]

I feel like the ONLY reason we've Survived the Manshoon simulacrum fights is because of our elemental summoning items lol

[limber trail]

yeah the end of the dragon heist stuff was tough

[woven flint]

AT LEAST the first simulacrum fight

[fossil hollow]

Waterdeep Menaces' moveset has been downloaded though

he will not forget

[limber trail]

he hasn't seen portal nonsense yet

[fossil hollow]

or has he?

[woven flint]

@fossil hollow
Just a suggestion, you could totally have Xanathar and Manshoon also having their men down in the Dungeons as well since they PROBABLY know we're down there

[limber trail]

we've killed every witness

[fossil hollow]

actually, xanny has a crew down here

[limber trail]

yeah we killed 2 of them

or 2 of who i presume they are

[fossil hollow]

bugbears with intellect devourers are a bit of a staple youve seen

[rough basalt]

I need to get ahold of mad mage

[woven flint]

It'd be funny as shit if we had to end up fighting Xanathar and A Manshoon simulacrum

[rough basalt]

I bet there's some fun statblocks in it since its a big megadungeon

[fossil hollow]

i think the fun is more from sheer variety you get to use

[woven flint]

Give the Waterdeep Menaces stronger threats, PLEASE
account for our elementals 😔
Yes, I'm Horizon 3.0

[rough basalt]

My monday game is gonna get crazier soon

level 7 coming which means 4th level magic

[fossil hollow]

i will divide xp to the elementals too

[woven flint]

Well... you don't have to do that...

[fossil hollow]

the greatest threat, less xp /j

[limber trail]

Me personally I'm fine with less XP for pacing if it means we get to fight stuff that's appropriate for us

[rough basalt]

That is the downside if you're running xp

Since npcs with statblocks excluding a few count as xp participants

[woven flint]

I'm just thinking
They are Once per Day and only last an hour
Maybe send stuff to force them out early and leave us elementaless 🧐

[fossil hollow]

yall are tapped out for elementals rn

[limber trail]

I'm gonna be honest even without that I'm still pretty fine for resources

[woven flint]

Indeed and almost out of resources (at least, I'm low on spellslots, but that Staff of Healing helps a bit)

[limber trail]

I've used uncanny metabolism and my luck points and magic items but as far as other resources I am completely full up

[rough basalt]

Wizard and Bard get 4th level magic, bard gets countercharm, rogue gets evasion and fighter gets his 7th level subclass feature. Cant wait for next level up

[fossil hollow]

i should really delve into osr dungeon style again, ive been using it losely last session

[tawdry sentinel]

DotMM is a bit odd as you're wandering along tralalala here's two bugbears Vs 5 level 7s.

And then suddenly you poke the wrong thing and you're fighting a total of 30 CR worth of demons.

[fossil hollow]

makes sense to me

its called DotMM for a reason. he didnt get that title from being sane

[rough basalt]

Halaster got it cause he got angry at someone once and someone called him a mad mage and he thought it was cool

[lavish flame]

This is the shit I want more of in my sungeons tbh

I've been taking a gander thru DotMM recently and I love how wacky this dungeon is

[rough basalt]

I make a lot of serious dungeons. It'd be nice to do a wacky one.

[lavish flame]

you casually flip through the book and find a Sidebar talking about unique Polymorph trap effects, or flip another page and see that The Entire Adventure Has Been A Lie! and its like... maybe this is what D&D dungeons need a lil more of

[rough basalt]

Tho I did have one where there was two rolling ball shaped hallways leading from the furthest point in to the entrance.

[tawdry sentinel]

There's a good third party supplement for it called "The Companion" where the general overhaul is turning it into a gameshow that you've been kidnapped to participate in.

But even ignoring that element it has a ton of really good ideas.

[rough basalt]

The party members rescued some young adventurers from some traps then walls close in and here comes the ball.

[lavish flame]

I'd kill for a third party supplement that was 5e-updating the rest of Undermountain. Every level has a corridor or 2 (or 5) thats labelled "goes to rest of Undermountain". I'd love a 5e update that restored Undermountain to its full glory.

[toxic geyser]

Is it normal that my dm allowed me to use chronugry wizard, lucky, and silvery barbs all at the same time idt hes ok

Ouh and shadar kai too

[lavish flame]

its absolutely normal, those are valid ass options, but its also normal for ur DM and other players to expect you to not make this into an outrageous nightmare for everyone involved

[mighty wharf]

So, I cannot solo a Beholder.

I do not have the damage output for it.

[lavish flame]

which effect got you?

[mighty wharf]

The antimagic cone. I'm a wizard. 💀

At most, I can cast Fog Cloud and slowly die to a battle of attrition as my piddly crossbow fails to pierce 18 AC and do enough damage to kill 180hp meatball before he kills me with +5 to attack and 4d6 damage bites.

[lavish flame]

did you know, going in, that its central eye was an antimagic cone?

[mighty wharf]

Yeah this is all assuming my wizard would know basic information about a Beholder. They have 20 int and proficiencies in literally every int related skill.

[velvet locust]

Is this like the general of the server? I might be dumb 😭

[lavish flame]

yeah, its this if its generally D&D, its #non-dnd-topics for other topics

[velvet locust]

Thanks twin!! I’m brand new

[mighty wharf]

It's pretty intuitive that eyeball beaming monster is countered by blocking vision, so my wizard would reasonably cast fog cloud even if it didn't know about the antimagic cone.

[lavish flame]

every other channel is a mildly more specific flavor of general chat

[lavish flame]

to D&D or just this server?

[mighty wharf]

Now I also assumed that my DM would be evil and would make sure I cannot outspeed the beholder by making the arena super tiny and have the beholder able to reach me very easily.

If it was even a little bit bigger, that would be a different story. It would also be a different story if I had even a few fairly competent NPCs or martials to help deal damage and potentially take aggro (like that is happening, I am the wizard casting fog cloud against the Eye Guy).

[velvet locust]

I’ve been on and off of DnD for a few years now, I’ve only ever made characters and like played in a couple sessions of various games over the years

Never really got to fully get into it as much as I’d like to

[lavish flame]

yeah, why were you solo-ing? no other PCs?

[lavish flame]

well howdy, D&D is pretty freakin sweet, and this is a great place to get more into it than before

[mighty wharf]

Trying to test the capabilites of my wizard, and practicing piloting. I don't have my parties character sheets so I can't exactly assume their characters, and I don't have the players so I can't assume their actions.

[velvet locust]

That’s what I’m hoping forrrr I’m so excited

But uh I’m gonna gtb its almost 4am, gn!!

[lavish flame]

real

[mighty wharf]

I tested an encounter my DM did in the previous campaign (same party, lower level) but with my character at his current level (6 versus 8 I think). I was able to solo the entire encounter but holy it took a lot of brainpower. I think I actually used much, MUCH stronger owlbears though so that made a huge difference.

[lavish flame]

real, also. Have you done other test fires with lesser/greater threats?