dnd-discussion

[solar nebula]

it's like some training and stuff, not sure. but pretty important, they pay for it

[marble lion]

is it near the end of the session or the start or is it smack in the middle?

[solar nebula]

hmm, early-mid I'd say, at least most of the time.

[severe fox]

why did you even pick up a smoker player to begin with

[remote wadi]

Man, even trying to search for an interesting and balanced PbP is difficult

[marble lion]

that was an example, not the case

[solar nebula]

never said that

[marble lion]

also probably because people dont just hate everyone who smokes

[severe fox]

oh well then it depends on what the person is doing

through most games im apart of dont go for less then 4 hours

[solar nebula]

yeah, we also do it for a bit longer

[marble lion]

ideally youd make the session happen much earlier, or a bit later then
that way they are gone at the end or start of it

[solar nebula]

like 5-6

[marble lion]

that way, its not as disruptive

[remote wadi]

One has way too complicated character creation, one has firearms, but very lackluster ones (spellcasters are already eating good, and having revolvers, but no Magnums or hunting rifles are not helping at all), and some others are waaaaaay too desperate

[severe fox]

its cause PbP means other people will get to different levels just because

[marble lion]

id recommend not caring about firearms existing

[severe fox]

unless you find a PbP that starts everyone at level 1

[remote wadi]

That's very hard to do when you want to play as a gunslinger

[solar nebula]

unfortunately we can't because we all go to school, and weekends are out as well because 1 person has to go to their grandma nearly every week and another also go on some trip every 1-2 weeks

[minor cargo]

You've mentioned how frustrating it is to find a PBP a lot lately. Have you ever thought about just running your own game?

[severe fox]

i plan on it

[remote wadi]

I suck as a DM. Nuff said

Also, I think I said this for the first time

[marble lion]

cant you ask the DM to let you play the official gunslinger?

[crimson gulch]

Play by posts campaigns Crater so much faster than live games, its hard

[severe fox]

im gonna buy foundry and everything else

[crimson gulch]

there is no offical gunslinger class

[severe fox]

there talking about the fighter subclass which still isnt official

[dapper cloud]

Have you considered getting better as a DM?

[solar nebula]

I wanted to play a gunslinger when I was a player, me and the dm eventually decided that my character will just make his own firearms as there would be no commonly used firearms in his campaign

[marble lion]

im talking about the written thing that most people refer to when playing gunslinger i guess, anyway
point is talk to DM

[remote wadi]

The MHP one? That's what they let me play. Problem is, what Firearms are allowed is a bit skewed: only musket, pistol, and revolver

[marble lion]

revolvers are great

[severe fox]

its not skewed that just what time peorid is

[dapper cloud]

I know there’s gunslinger class (on DDB somehow) and a gunslinger subclass (the one from CR).

[elder sleet]

Sup guyssss

[remote wadi]

Until you want to play as a Deadeye

[severe fox]

revolers are considered "modern"

[remote wadi]

Okay. If revolvers exist in the setting, why not magnums and hunting rifles?

[marble lion]

well if you went into finding a game with a gun character, that does make it tricker

[severe fox]

they dont

[remote wadi]

I'm saying in my campaign

[severe fox]

there using the Renaissance table from dnd beyond

which is only pistol and musket

[remote wadi]

Somehow, Revolvers exist in the setting I'm in, but magnums and hunting rifles don't

[severe fox]

Modern Items are
Martial Ranged Weapons Cost Damage Weight Properties
Pistol, automatic - 2d6 piercing 3 lb. Ammunition (range 50/150), reload (15 shots)
Revolver - 2d8 piercing 3 lb. Ammunition (range 40/120), reload (6 shots)
Rifle, hunting - 2d10 piercing 8 lb. Ammunition (range 80/240), reload (5 shots), two-handed
Rifle, automatic - 2d8 piercing 8 lb. Ammunition (range 80/240), burst fire, reload (30 shots), two-handed
Shotgun

[remote wadi]

I already said revolvers are allowed too... twice

[severe fox]

i know

[remote wadi]

They use the ruling from Mage Hand Press

[severe fox]

oh then idk

most weapons from there do 2d6

[remote wadi]

So they use an industrial age weapon for the revolver, but magnums and hunting rifles are out of the question?

[crimson gulch]

if they say so, then yes, its their world

[severe fox]

just leave

find a new game

[remote wadi]

I get they have the final say. It does not make it any better, though

Revolvers are pretty good, but not when you want a long range build

[marble lion]

semiauto rifles were invented 50ish years after revolvers
tells me google

[crimson gulch]

the forgotten realms has pistols and Muskets and lazor guns, but no modern firearms

[marble lion]

what kind of rifle do you mean specifically?

[remote wadi]

Muskets could be worked with if slow wasn't a terrible mastery and the dice weren't 1d12

[crimson gulch]

d12 damage dice is great

[marble lion]

if you take the sharpshooter feat, wouldnt a revolver work as a longrange build

max revolver range is what?

[remote wadi]

D12, Not terrible. But when 2d6 and 2d8 should be possible

[remote wadi]

I'll stop you right there and say that's not possible. Recoil

[marble lion]

what does recoil do?

[humble cairn]

The official firearms are basically standard weapons, did you want an overpowered modern firearm?

[crimson gulch]

theres no recoil mechanic in 5e that im aware of

[remote wadi]

Denies any shots past the normal range if one was taken earlier that turn

[severe fox]

a homebrew rule

house rule if you will

[marble lion]

ok so basically he doesnt want any longrange shooters

could make a rogue. that way you dont do more than 1 attack anyway

[remote wadi]

sigh...

Check the link in Mage Hand Press Gunslinger. That's what he uses

[marble lion]

2d6, max range revolver, sneak attack

[flint ledge]

I'm assuming based off the given information he's more so thinking of like a western movie type thing

[severe fox]

oh never mind VTOS is just that

[flint ledge]

The DM I mean

[severe fox]

Revolver 2d6 Piercing Ammunition (Range 30/120; Bullet), Firearm, Recoil, Reload (6)

thats weird

[marble lion]

120ft 2d6+sneak attack seems fine to me

[severe fox]

he isnt a rouge through

[remote wadi]

Which, again. If technology found in revolvers are possible, why not magnums and hunting rifles?

[marble lion]

also after your last game really bothering you with your gloomstalker darkness problem
i recommend you play a build that isnt trying to stay 120 feet away or in permanent full darkness or anything like that

are there no character concepts youd like to do that dont depend on the game to allow you your thing?

[severe fox]

i dont see where magnums are

[rough basalt]

If I was a ranged build and I could have a Musket I'd take it over any of the others tbh

[severe fox]

2d8

[remote wadi]

Check Mage Hand Press Gunslinger. Link near the bottom has list of firearms

[minor cargo]

Yeah, you've brought it up a lot. Maybe it's worthwhile seeing if you actually want input? Or is this just you needing to vent (and thus don't need to make it a whole thing)?

[rough basalt]

Even if Slow ain't the best mastery, that d12 damage die is nice.

[severe fox]

i like the Submachine Gun

since they have the light prop

[rough basalt]

Slow still pretty good tho.
Any debuff to enemies that doesn't take a resource is nice.

[remote wadi]

The reloading is also a huge problem. Basically mandates Gunner (if allowed)

[crimson gulch]

if you allways take issues with the mechanics of the game, you will have a very hard time getting immersed in the game itself, let the rules be the rules and just play with them

[umbral girder]

I was very amused when a player said to me “I’m pretty sure every leader in the Lords Alliance has at least 100hp”

[remote wadi]

That's a fair point

[severe fox]

false

[rough basalt]

Pretty sure Ravenguard only has like 80 or something iirc

[severe fox]

thrikreen gun slinger that only uses Submachine Guns

[rough basalt]

He's pretty weak when you imagine a "heroic leader" figure.

[umbral girder]

Yep Ravenguard for sure.

Then I thought of Bruenor Battlehammer, Lord Neverember, and both the Silverhand sisters.

So it’s not all of them, but definitely a lot of them

[rough basalt]

He's hard carried by his soldiers.

[severe fox]

when you finally understand why certain books are suppose to be banned

[crimson gulch]

no third party and no homebrew charicter options is how i roll, and It works fantastic

[severe fox]

i will never play at a table that bans official content

[rough basalt]

I think they should've reprinted Gunner

Since Firearms are now Martial Weapons and in the PHB

[severe fox]

unless its very setting specific

[crimson gulch]

ill never play in a game that banns PHB options again, but not every table needs to use Every book, theres a lot of them

[severe fox]

arent the only two classes who struggle to get martial weapons are the wizard and sorcerer?

[rough basalt]

I allow what I own.

[crimson gulch]

i only just started a game that took the 2014 players handbook off the table for a try
the list looks like this

CHARACTER CREATION
Will begin at level 1
Players MUST use Standard Array or Point Buy
Players will have access to the basic starting equipment only
Players May use Any Character options that appear in the following sources
● Player's Handbook 2024
● Hero’s of the the Forgotten Realms
● Tashas Cauldron of Everything
● Xanathars Guide to Everything
● Ebberon: Forge of the Artificer (Artificer class only, not feats backgrounds or races)
Unearthed Arcana and homebrew will not be used.

[severe fox]

at least in 2024

players WILL have acess to basic starting

why not any of the races?

[rough basalt]

I'm assuming it's an FR game

[crimson gulch]

That was My deliberate choice for Curse of Strahd

[severe fox]

dont know if i can play in a game where at least the mordenkanians goblin isnt allowed

[rough basalt]

My current two games have species restrictions but that's about it

[crimson gulch]

Motm gets frequent use in my games, but i wanted to do a run of Curse of Strahd with PHB races only

game is sold out with 5 players waitlisted

[severe fox]

thats fair

i do like how they nerfed and buffed fury of the small

[rough basalt]

My setting has species restrictions due to in-world events wiping out a lot of them.

But in official settings that have connections to Sigil I just allow anything

[still plover]

There's always an audience for something, even if that's not you. I've still got a "gods are gone so no clerics" idea in mind and I bet I wouldn't have any trouble filling the table.

[severe fox]

as i said the only time i can understand species bans is when the setting calls for it

[knotty pasture]

Quick, pick Druids

[severe fox]

i dont like when people say "this race is too op time to ban"

[crimson gulch]

im doing a much harsher barovia where it people showed up with goblins or fairys or other races it would be instant pitchforks narrativly

[rough basalt]

Makes sense

[knotty pasture]

The more I think about it, part of me might justify Half Elves but Half Orcs is something I'd ban

[rough basalt]

Barovia is mostly humans iirc

[knotty pasture]

Only because I'm not a fan of half races in general, you're either an Elf/Orc or a Human

[severe fox]

your just doing a 2024

[rough basalt]

Only exception I can think of off the top of my head is ||Rahadin||

[knotty pasture]

Yeah that's one of the few things I really like about 2024 lol

[severe fox]

half elfs and orcs are dead

[crimson gulch]

theres a bunch more

[knotty pasture]

My view is that either most if not all races have a mixed variant or no one does

Singling Elves and Orcs out didn't sit right with me

[severe fox]

making a half this half that sounds like a nightmare

[rough basalt]

Ye reason they exist in Eberron is cause Half Elves and Half Orcs became their own people

[severe fox]

half this half that half this half that left and right

[severe rampart]

Thankfully my PCs are all humanoid-ish (except for the Tiefling with the big horns)

[knotty pasture]

Even if mixed races are only restricted to PHB stuff I'll be somewhat fine with it

[severe fox]

you'd pretty much be doing 3.5e

[tender fossil]

I was just going through my game world deciding what was not going to be native to it. Subtraction is even more important than addition with world building

[rough basalt]

I remember a guy wanting the half species to be a "pick and choose system"

[severe fox]

• can only kids kin with themselves*

[severe fox]

3.5e all over again

[rough basalt]

And I was like "idk how I feel about minmaxing my PCs parents to get the best species traits"

[knotty pasture]

As seen with Dhampir and Hexbloods etc it ain't it

Dhampir is way too good if you give it wings

[severe fox]

dhampirs/hexblood override your current race

the only thing you keep is the fly climb or swim speeds you use to have

[rough basalt]

Or people wanting to do quarters.
"I'm a quarter orc for brutal critical, I'm a quarter human for the feat, I'm a quarter wood elf for the spells, and a quarter Aarakocra for the flight speed"

[knotty pasture]

Yeah aka you can fly around as a Dhampir lol

[severe fox]

thats when any linage

[knotty pasture]

That was really a bit too much

[glad arch]

Aint no way people really are like this

[rough basalt]

I'm glad you haven't seen them yet

[severe fox]

not really a result of dhampir hexblood or reborn its just having a flying race then becoming something else in life

[severe fox]

its just pathfinder all over again

[hidden spindle]

Mom and pop were Half-Orc and Half-Elf. That makes me quarters

[glad arch]

I just play with my friend group in person and i understand theres people that will try anything to get stronger but quarter species pick your own features??

[severe fox]

its "build-a-race"

grim hollow has a system like that

[hidden spindle]

Isn't that Custom Lineage?

[severe fox]

where each speices gets 8 traits but you can swap them out

wanna be a human with dark vision and a breathe weapon well you can!

[glad arch]

Yes but its not as busted as pick and mix your own species

[rough basalt]

CL is basically just variant human with darkvision to most people who use it.

[severe fox]

i prefer variant human cause prodigy

[uncut zenith]

Yeah it’s a super basic and bland set of mechanics that you can flavor to look like whatever you want

[severe fox]

use a torch or light if you need dark vision

[uncut zenith]

Using a torch isn’t the same as having Darkvision

Darkvision is infinitely better in stealthy situations because it doesn’t emit light the way a torch does

[rough basalt]

Using Foundry is fun for lighting like that.
Humans will just flat-out see nothing except their own token

[knotty pasture]

Torches and light ruin stealthy attempts

[severe fox]

ah?

[rough basalt]

And darkvision is black and white

[severe fox]

you have a -5 to percetion checks in full darkness

[knotty pasture]

A whole team of darkvision allows you to do a lot of sneaking around and surprise attacks etc

[severe fox]

i can count on my hand the amount of times we deiced to sneak attack someone

please the surpise round isnt as strong as it was in 2014

[uncut zenith]

Yep. And if one person in the party needs to rely on a torch or a lantern, they’re easily spotted by anybody else who doesn’t rely on a light source to see. In certain situations, it’s like painting a target on your own back.

[rough basalt]

A lot of the time players in my games will use torches, light spells and lanterns anyway

[crimson gulch]

my players are allways trying to sneak around, avoiding some encounters is essential to survival

[severe fox]

the fighter paladin cleric all wearing medium/heavy armor

[remote wadi]

Tell me that won't result in anything other than wanting to quarter the character with some horses and rope

[uncut zenith]

Disadvantage on stealth isn’t as guaranteed a failure as carrying a light in the darkness

[severe fox]

another common thri kreen w

they cant stop winning!

[uncut zenith]

Especially if you’re doing group stealth rolls. A paladin in heavy armor’s mediocre stealth roll is easily balanced by the rogue’s.

[severe fox]

thri kreens are way too good

[remote wadi]

Also, Ranger with PWT

[severe fox]

pwt got nerfed didnt it?

[tough lynx]

Pass without traces flat bonus means that with proficiency the min roll is like 15 at level 3

[severe fox]

wait im thinking of the staff that gave you pass at will

[tough lynx]

Surprise got nerfed

[severe fox]

staff of the woodlands

[tough lynx]

It’s still good though

[severe fox]

another really broken item of 2024

[crimson gulch]

Pass without trace is a great spell, nothing beats getting a group stealth check, their average coming up above 20, and then me saying ok so theres a plus 16 to this perception roll, and tossing the die in front were everyone can see

[severe fox]

staff of the woodlands is an amazing magic item

[tough lynx]

Passive perception is used iirc

[crimson gulch]

when the dm chooses to do so yes

[severe fox]

surpise getting nerfed isnt really an issue for medium to high level monsters

since there initiative scales much higher now

[tough lynx]

I enjoyed surprising monsters in 2014

[humble cairn]

Oh they for sure are.

[severe fox]

since its just disadvantage on initiative rolls in 2024

[tough lynx]

It’s still good

[halcyon bison]

didn't that get pretty severely nerfed in 2024 too
No more free castings of pass without a trace and it lost 4 charges
Still quite good, but using wall of thorns has a chance to demagic it now :<

[humble cairn]

It needed it.

[tough lynx]

I’d rather have it than not

[tough lynx]

I’m not debating that

[severe fox]

and with a +5-11 at levels 5-8 its ehh

[tough lynx]

I like pwt

[severe fox]

like the new assassin for example gets a +11 to initiative so surpsing it most likely isnt gonna do much

[severe fox]

being able to cast awaken as an action is still stupid broken

[halcyon bison]

You can't do that either in 2024
it just says "you can cast one of the spells," not that they only take a magic action

I didn't realize you could do that in 2014 though, thats pretty neat

[tough lynx]

I’m sad that I’m 2024 they removed the ability to summon chwingas

[severe fox]

thats awful

but i understand

[tough lynx]

I liked chwingas as the party pet

[halcyon bison]

How often is being able to awaken something as an action useful though? I'm curious what the theory is here

[tough lynx]

Also give them light crossbows and they do okay damage

[severe fox]

awakened tree armor

or if you mange to calm down a monster you can use magic aura on it and awaken it

[halcyon bison]

Ah, I see
I forgot it could do plants

[severe fox]

you could pretty much have an army of purple worms if you calm them down and use magic aura on them in theory

[tough lynx]

Chwingas if they like you enough also give gifts

[rough basalt]

My Wednesday party tonight starts in quite a pickle

[severe fox]

same with an owlbear

[rough basalt]

They're caught with some dust devils around them and a Gelatinous Cube that wants hugs.

[severe fox]

pretty much any creature with a int below 3 you could awaken

[rough basalt]

Froghemoth

[severe fox]

possible

all because of that stupid spell magic aura

[rough basalt]

One of the funniest spells to me is Synaptic Static

[halcyon bison]

Tarrasque :3

[rough basalt]

Cause if they have below 3 int they can't be affected by the spell

Tarrasques have 3 int.

[severe fox]

do they?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[halcyon bison]

Yes
also they're often sleeping and immobile

[lyric viper]

For my artificer with magic item adept (Magic items that are uncommon cost 1/4 time and 1/2 cost) she was turning out Pots of awakening (Common magic item, 50gp ot 25gp as it was consumable, took 1 work week, AKA 5 days. So now 1.25 days and 25 or 12.5 gp.)

[rough basalt]

I wanna play an arti

[severe fox]

you just gave me an awful idea

for my next dnd villain

[lyric viper]

I had awakened plants running my tavern.

They uninionized. Demanded a greenhouse with soil and water for proper rest times, so on.

[halcyon bison]

I've only played an artificer once
It was a duo with my brother, we both played kobolds with battle smith mounts and lances :3

[severe fox]

Mask (Creature). Choose a creature type other than the target’s actual type. Spells and other magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of the chosen

[tough lynx]

What is it c

Planar binding?

[severe fox]

an evil druid/wizard finds a sleeping tarraque and decides to awaken it

[rough basalt]

Good for them

[tough lynx]

Turn them into fiends and bind them under your control?

[halcyon bison]

In theory, given enough time and training, any sentient creature might be able to get class levels
Tarrasque wizard

[severe fox]

ok so while it is immune to charmed

it'll still be friendly towards you

[halcyon bison]

What if the awakened tarrasque decides it doesn't want to eat people

[severe fox]

then good for them

[lyric viper]

The tarrasque is a neutral beast. Awakening it will allow it to have an existential crisis over how it needs to consume.

What a horrible thing to inflict upon it.

Do it.

[severe fox]

i just wanna see how the dm would handle me awakening the Tarraque

god i love dnd sometimes

[cursive ledge]

how can a dm prevent nova’ing?

[crimson gulch]

its a monstrosity

[crimson gulch]

long adventuring days, if they blow everything in one encounter they fail

[cursive ledge]

oh true

[umbral girder]

Yeah ideally you have around 8 encounters in a day

(Not 8 Fights, 8 encounters)

[cursive ledge]

that’s a lot more than we been having

[woven flint]

Coming up with a Wizards of the Coast but for every class lol
I've got:
Bards of the Tavern
Monks of the Monestary
Clerics of the Temple
Warlocks of the Outer Realm
Druids of the Grove

[umbral girder]

Fighters of the Company

Wait not Druids of the Grove?

[crimson gulch]

nah, the coast is a landscape not a building

[shy stirrup]

Plenty of groups end up being nova, long rest, nova, LR, nova, LR. To me it feels unsatsifying to play this way but 🤷‍♂️

[tall forge]

Warlocks of the (outer) Realm

[umbral girder]

Warlock of the (far) Realm

[shy stirrup]

Rogues of the Rouge

[crimson gulch]

thats why people think there is a martial caster divide, they arent actually challanging a party

[severe fox]

Mask (Creature). Choose a creature type other than the target’s actual type. Spells and other magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of the chosen type.

[tall forge]

Nah heres the real martial caster divide

[woven flint]

:3

[humble cairn]

The time and opportunity to Long Rest is something that is entirely under the control of the DM.

[severe fox]

2024 magic aura

[umbral girder]

Yeah D&D challenge isn’t a big fight and using your abilities wise mostly.

It’s attrition of resources, seeing if you have enough slots, hit dice, ammo, food, etc etc.

[crimson gulch]

how would you get it to be willing? its eating you

[umbral girder]

The aura spell does specify a Willing creature

[cursive ledge]

hmm true, so far the party’s been pretty good at conserving resources until a fight demands em, but I’m startin to think the prior fights should be harder

[rotund thunder]

Has anyone here ever seen feign death cast in game?

[severe fox]

i meant if its resting

[tall forge]

Depends how you rule charm person

[umbral girder]

Basically (assuming 2024 rules) you mainly want to use a handful of Moderate difficulty encounters

[tall forge]

Resting isnt willing tbf

[shy stirrup]

"Do I use this now, or save it for some unforeseeable future?"
vs.
"I'll use this again and again and again because it doesn't matter."

The one results in better gameplay than the other.

[rotund thunder]

I considered using it for a big bad that's coming up to allow them to fake their death and return later, but then remembered the party will almost certainly want to flavor their "how do you want to do this" on the bad guy as something that would be impossible to survive and fake to come back later

[umbral girder]

This way the party is still gonna win but burn up some stuff in the process.

[cursive ledge]

what’s a moderate difficulty encounter for a party of 6 lvl3-4 players?

[umbral girder]

That still isn’t willing

[crimson gulch]

exp budget is on page 114 of the new DMG

[umbral girder]

I can grab you the basic rules link for this! Give me a moment.

[crimson gulch]

still not willing

[woven flint]

Resting doesn't mean something wants you to cast magic on it lol

[tall forge]

You cannnot consent while unconscious ❌

[severe fox]

i guess dominate monster

[cursive ledge]

oh shoot the book got stuff on this?

[severe fox]

no thats charmed

[umbral girder]

Assuming the 2024 DMG yes! In Chapter 4 (Creating Adventures)

[crimson gulch]

charm immune

[umbral girder]

2014 also has one but its a lot more difficult and not as good to use

[crimson gulch]

Magic aura theory craft is actually just theory, theres no pulling it off in a real game

[mystic crystal]

What is magic aura theory?

[umbral girder]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/dms-toolbox#CombatEncounterDifficulty
Here you go!

[severe fox]

changing a creature type

[tall forge]

Nystuls magic aura theoretically breaks game

But to do so would require such amount of work it simply isnt fun/worth it

[rotund thunder]

Nystul's Magic Aura, I believe, which many people took to believing lets you not just change a creature type for the sake of illusory stuff making divination register things incorrectly, but to actually change a creature's type for all magic and therefore allow you to use spells that target only humanoids or only monsters on different targets than intended and generally break the game

I believe it specifically has to do with soul jar, since it normally is meant for humanoids

[tough lynx]

Planar binding could do it

Nystul it into a fiend

[tall forge]

It kinda is up to the dm what constitutes “willing”

[tough lynx]

You have control over it.

It is now willing to do whatever you want

[cursive ledge]

oh dang this is helpful, how accurate would you say it is?

[tall forge]

That doesnt mean theyre willing

[crimson gulch]

it would never be willing for magic aura though

[severe fox]

the issue is its been changed to make it count for any magical effect

[tough lynx]

Cast awaken

[tall forge]

That means theyre forced to do stuff

[umbral girder]

Yes! They were infiltrating a Morgue and that was how they got in.

[crimson gulch]

theres no saveing throw its a hard line

[rough basalt]

2024s is pretty accurate

[valid vapor]

Yo, quick question someone knows a 5e campain that allows the monster tamer form helianas guide to monster huntig? or a 3.5e that allows the monster tamer?

[tall forge]

Even in charm or dominate monster, one could argue the creature is not willing

[rough basalt]

As magic items come into play it can get a bit dicey but easy to fix with a few more mooks or an additional big guy.

[crimson gulch]

thats up to the DM Gammoth you would have to go looking

[umbral girder]

Pretty accurate! Best I'd recommend between Long rests is like 3 Moderate with 1-2 High encounters. That's a simple outline to change when you feel like it.

[rough basalt]

Encounter Balance is an art but 2024s encounter calculator is great

[tall forge]

Especially when a lot of charm effects wont let you force a creature to do something obviously harmful

[valid vapor]

in the Find a Game chanel?

[cursive ledge]

dang that seems pretty fun

[crimson gulch]

thats where we do that here

but wanting to force in third party content is a good way to dissapoint yourself i find

[cursive ledge]

according to the chart the boss at the end of the last dungeon was below moderate and that checks out

[severe fox]

3rd party content can be fun

[umbral girder]

I highly reccomend doing a once over ( not even read in detail) every page in the DMG to get an idea of stuff you can use as it is very, very helpful tool. The basic rules does have some of it.

Should note the book does recommend not using Solo monsters as they will struggle staying alive

[severe fox]

i mainly like helina guide to monster hunting

[umbral girder]

Having 1-4 minions helps keep them alive longer.

[rotund thunder]

Ah, that sounds like the perfect use case. Feign Death is a really interesting spell to me but I've never actually seen it used for anything because of the short duration of only 1 hour. At best, I guess a caster could try to fake their death in the middle of combat if they're facing a potential TPK

[umbral girder]

Action economy after all is very strong in DnD

[rotund thunder]

I really want to use deign death to allow a villain to fake their death and return later, but they would need to both subtle cast the spell to prevent the players from having a chance at identifying it and recognizing the spell, and it's kind of hard to hide that a villain isn't really dead after letting a player do the whole "how do you want to do this" thing on "kill"

[cursive ledge]

every time we’ve fought a solo monster so far it’s gone badly for the solo monster

[severe fox]

i agree solo monster fights are boring

players will most likely stomp all over them

[umbral girder]

Think of fights in DnD like building a DnD party

[proper forum]

Hello fellow dungeonmaxxers

[rotund thunder]

I keep learning this lesson as a DM, thinking that the players are low level and I don't need to go crazy with minions or anything yet, I can just throw a solo boss at them, and every time the boss dies miserably

[umbral girder]

You want a tank, a blaster, and support

A mage is ok. But give them a Flesh golem and a zombie with a wand of Cure Wounds and now we are cooking

[severe fox]

im still wondering if one of the enounter for DiA is suppose to be fought or ran away from

[umbral girder]

Especially when the flesh golem heals from the Mage’s lightning bolts

[proper forum]

Unfortunately, like every team-based game ever, everyone wants to be a DPS and no one plays a support or God forbid a tank. My current party is 2 warlocks a ranger and a cleric.

A cleric who typically gets outhealed by one of the warlocks

[severe fox]

i mean tank in dnd is subjective

just like any other role in dnd

[proper forum]

Monks are not tanks also

[crimson gulch]

dnd does not have a tank role, or any class rolls for that matter

[severe fox]

like a wizard could be a tank

[umbral girder]

Shield Guardian + a Priest can be another example too

[cursive ledge]

not getting hit counts as tanking

[crimson gulch]

everyone wants to live, its not about directing damage to someone

[lyric viper]

Not sure Tanking and DPS necessarily applies to D&D classes and teams. There is some sense of that, but it's not the same as in a MMO

[humble cairn]

Not me, I'm a Support Supremacist.

[valid vapor]

well has been a while i wanted to play a monster tamer char, but in official rules there is nothing that really let me play it, monst closer subclasses that i try was the beast master and the circle of the shepard

and 1 suck and the other was more a summoner

[cursive ledge]

it’s moreso just frontline backline for dnd in my experience

[humble cairn]

Beast Master is really awesome and fun to play, I recommend it.

[tall forge]

At most, theres support

[severe fox]

summoner builds arent really allowed in dnd

[humble cairn]

I'm playing a 2024 Beast Master currently and it's so much fun and super useful.

[crimson gulch]

Correct, and the use of third party content is up to the dm, not the players, so you may have a hard time

[severe fox]

i do kinda miss the fantasy of summoning a big guy to break stuff for me

[humble cairn]

Once I got Summon Beast, I had two pets out frequently. Now I have dipped Druid and will be having a Familiar as well, mostly for the 50 Speed mount that's immune to Opportunity Attacks.

[severe fox]

granted tasha's is still fair game and summon fey is pretty broken

only issue is the costly M componet

[cursive ledge]

I’m currently going through the mines of phandelver module, would the guiding hand spell just break exploration?

[humble cairn]

I love Summon Fey! Mine is a Blink Puppy!

[lyric viper]

Like there is definitely the idea of having higher AC and higher HP makes you more able to risk taking hits, so good for being more in the frontline. But there's no easy way to 'draw aggro', block on behalf of others or a clear line between high AC/HP and other factors (As in, classes can all sort of get that to different extents)

[humble cairn]

2024 Grappling does make "tanking" more of a reality because it gives Str martials a way to Control enemies.

[umbral girder]

What’s guiding hand?

[severe fox]

that bonus action darkness is way too good

[valid vapor]

thanks but no thanks, i am not a rangers fan

[umbral girder]

Never heard of Guiding Hand.

[humble cairn]

Previously there was nothing a melee fighter could really do to prevent an enemy from just walking past them, now they have the option to stop them in their tracks.

[humble cairn]

Is this from personal played experience or just from the reputation?

[cursive ledge]

UA concentration spell that lasts 8 hours and is basically an eye of ender from Minecraft; it works on any location that’s been mapped at some point in history

[umbral girder]

Assuming they haven’t used Topple and Slow to slow them drastically

[lyric viper]

I've always let my PCs grapple as an attack of opportunity, although that wasn't RAW. Fun though.

[humble cairn]

I prefer the Charm one. Charm tanking is fun!

[remote wadi]

Tanks don't exist in DnD, for the most part

But Monks do get pretty close, only being really beaten out by Paladins

[severe fox]

I’ve played Ranger before and I ain’t a big fan

[cursive ledge]

barbarians are pretty good at it during early levels

[severe fox]

In both 2024 and 2014

[tall forge]

“Tank” as in meatshield exists

[umbral girder]

Ah I only touched the officially released stuff so I have no clue.

[remote wadi]

Then you would specify such

[tall forge]

But tank as in diverts attacks so the squishys dont get hit only like, 1/3rd exist

[valid vapor]

Both

[lyric viper]

Yeah there is a bit of the concepts there but it's more nebulous in D&D.

[humble cairn]

My Ranger is my Summon Fey character. And the fun thing about the Mirthful Fey is if you Charm an enemy and the place yourself and your summon in such a way that that enemy cannot use AOEs on the party, you are defending the party.

[severe fox]

Rune knight exist but that’s all that comes to find

[umbral girder]

Warding Bond the spell and Redemption Paladin too

[cursive ledge]

if there’s any map that’s ever been made that includes the mines of phandelver, you’d basically get a compass pointing you towards the lost mines whenever you want

[tall forge]

Barbarian soft taunt, some spells give disadvantage when attacking other creatures, some split the damage taken

[severe fox]

Warding bound is ehh since you also take half damage

[remote wadi]

This is kind of why semantic ambiguity is unfortunately common in DnD

[umbral girder]

Yeah like a Tank

Also giving a +1 to Ac and Saves

[severe fox]

also costly component

[humble cairn]

"Tank" is never mentioned in D&D at all. It's entirely something made up by the community.

[cursive ledge]

you could probably build a tank around lifesteal if you have any reliable way to do that

[tall forge]

Dnd is just sorta an individualistic built game

[umbral girder]

It’s 100gp, you can get 5 of those in 1 session at level 1

[tall forge]

So it doesnt split into roles very well

[umbral girder]

Super dirt cheap

[remote wadi]

The term can exist, but to say that tanks exist in DnD is misleading when the term you look for is "meat shield"

[safe raptor]

Nécromancies level 10 go brrrr

[jolly hound]

I wanna make a fiend warlock with the 2024 rules without using pact of the blade but it’s just too juicy

[severe fox]

Life steal isn’t a common thing in dnd for players

[tall forge]

Not true!

[umbral girder]

Sword of Life stealing and Vampiric Touch and Dhampirs

[humble cairn]

I'm just saying the semantic ambiguity has nothing to do with D&D as a game, it's entirely a community thing.

[tall forge]

Its common enough id say

[cursive ledge]

ahh okay

[severe fox]

There’s life drinker from hex blood but that’s like 4 instances

[umbral girder]

Lizardfolk

[severe fox]

5

[still plover]

Looks pretty uncommon to me!

[valid vapor]

the pact of the blade is the best pact of all

[tall forge]

Grim harvest necromancer

[severe fox]

That’s pretty uncommon lmao

[umbral girder]

polymorph into vampire

[humble cairn]

Anyway, the mechanics don't support the existence of "tanks" what you're looking for that is actually mechanically supported is enemy Control and ally Support.

[severe fox]

That’s a 9th level spell

[tall forge]

Hexblades curse

[severe fox]

That’s not really “life steal”

[valid vapor]

cof cof barbarians cof cof

[severe fox]

That’s killing someone’s and then you heal

[humble cairn]

New Grapple does both Control and Support.

[tall forge]

Most games consider that life steal

[cursive ledge]

polymorph is 9th level?

[severe fox]

Life steal means you take there hp

[jolly hound]

Absolutely but I’ve only ever played one warlock and it was a melee build lol I don’t wanna repeat so soon I just have to keep thinking

[tall forge]

True polymorph is

[remote wadi]

I suppose so. But I will say that the closest thing to a "tank" depends of which tier of play you're in
Tier 1 Barbarian
Tier 2 Paladin
Tier 3 Monk (especially combined with Paladin)
Tier 4, everyone kills everything with offense, so "tanks" don't matter at this point

[severe fox]

Polymorph is stuck to beast unless you use true

[humble cairn]

Still not the same thing as MMO style "tanks" that people talk about and want because "aggro: doesn't exist.

[cursive ledge]

oh shoot I didn’t know that

[tall forge]

By the words written, there is no “take their hp” in dnd, semantics wise

[humble cairn]

It's not so much a class thing as a specific tactics and features thing.

[tall forge]

Dnd is really weird about it

Look at warding bond for instance

[severe fox]

My point still stands as in you can’t make a life steal build because how uncommon it is

[tall forge]

Its “you gain resistance”

[cursive ledge]

sword of life stealing seems like it’d count cause you heal the amount of necrotic damage the sword deals

[still plover]

Re: tanking, you can definitely make various builds with high survivability, one way or another. It's a start if you want your guy to be the tough guy.

[cursive ledge]

oh true

[severe fox]

That’s a magic item that again you can’t just start off with

[tall forge]

Oh you totally can

[remote wadi]

That too, but if you want to just stick to being able to take hits (because deeply controlling who they attack is difficult), those tiers are still reasonable

[severe fox]

Not as good as other “tanking”builds

Like armor of ag spam for example

[valid vapor]

a big ass guy yelling, and moving a big axe like while runing towards you, i think that can catch someone atention

[tall forge]

Death domain cleric + necro wizard

[knotty pasture]

The true tanking build is Totem Warrior

Just sit around and probably not die to most things

[severe fox]

Yes but not really you don’t have a way to get the damage away from other people

Aka no “taunt” effects

[tender fossil]

If you want to build a true tank, make a fighter with a decent charisma, the persuasion skill and a few choice things to say about their mother

[knotty pasture]

Look at them funny, maybe flip them off /s

[cursive ledge]

for sure, I thought it’d be more common tbh but ig it’s a bit rare

[humble cairn]

So again, New Grapple is great because it is hard Control (speed 0 and can be dragged) and soft control (Disadv to attack anyone else). Which might actually work as the basis for a "tank" build.

[severe fox]

Life steal isn’t readily available as other options like glory Paladin

Paladin is the best tank imo

Since barbarian lacks taunt effects

[knotty pasture]

Ancestral Guardian's there

[valid vapor]

barbarian is the best

[safe raptor]

wizard

[knotty pasture]

But it doesn't really help Barb tank any more

[severe fox]

Yeah-

But tank isn’t Just about taking damage

It’s also about getting the enemy to attack you

[humble cairn]

Reckless attack was kind of meant to be that.

[shy stirrup]

What some players seem to forget is positioning matters almost as much as build or class for being a "tank"

[knotty pasture]

But I agree the best tank is Paladin, specifically Crown Paladin

[severe fox]

Crown Paladin!

[knotty pasture]

You get your taunt mechanic stuff and you get to ram people with Spirit Guardians

[valid vapor]

literly gives disanvatage against everyone exept the big ass guy

[proper forum]

Guys what is a good male dark elf name?

[severe fox]

How many times can they use that?

[still plover]

Not Drzzzt.

[safe raptor]

Darius

Idk

[cursive ledge]

Delf

[proper forum]

Hold on that unironically sounds tuff

[knotty pasture]

There's no true limit, its just a debuff on the enemy upon hitting them

[severe fox]

Ah

I still think crown Paladin is slightly better

[knotty pasture]

Yea, the debuff only triggers during rage too

Ancestral Guardian, like Barbs in general, have their gimmick locked behind Rage

[valid vapor]

all the time while they rage

[still plover]

Darius the Great, king of Persia.

[severe fox]

I guess it is slightly better in 24 since rage can last as long as 10 minutes

[safe raptor]

I littarly only play paladins and sometimes wizard so I have bassicly no idea what anyone is saying about barbs

[crimson gulch]

bridging one range to many encounters in 2024 is great for barbarians

[valid vapor]

you ever be in a combat that take more that 10 rounds?

[severe fox]

Yes many

Also the enemies could just run away from the barbarian to end there rage

[knotty pasture]

10 mins is 100 rounds for the record

[severe fox]

I’ve actually done that before

Smart monster the bane of any 2014 barbarian

[crimson gulch]

i did an epic 15 round combat once, that was fun

[cinder timber]

do druids have aoe spells that can affect a lot of enemies?

[crimson gulch]

yes

[knotty pasture]

Spike Growth

[severe fox]

Spike growth is an amazing one

[cinder timber]

is that level 2 or 3?

[severe fox]

2nd

It also does 2d4 no save

[cursive ledge]

entangle is level 1 and hits a range

[severe fox]

I love spike spike growth

[cinder timber]

ok, i picked moonbeam and call sotrm but I misread those spells lol

[severe fox]

Cheese grater

[crimson gulch]

moonbeam is a great aoe

[valid vapor]

to keep their rage going barbarians needs to

Take damage, Make an attack, make a Str check and thats all

[severe fox]

True

[crimson gulch]

you can move it all round in 2024

[cinder timber]

it's a 5ft radius

[severe fox]

They have to either take damage or make an attack no clue where you got str check from

[valid vapor]

just need to do 1 of those things and done

[cinder timber]

so like 75 ft2 I think

[crimson gulch]

and you can move it around on subsequent turns zapping everyone

[cinder timber]

is call storm bad?

[crimson gulch]

Call lightning is not bat

[severe fox]

Your rage lasts for 1 minute. It ends early if you are knocked unconscious or if your turn ends and you haven't attacked a hostile creature since your last turn or taken damage since then. You can also end your rage on your turn as a bonus action.

So again if the enemy just runs and you have no way of attack your out of luck

[fast latch]

Question

What’s the funniest joke character you’ve ever heard of?

Mine is Sir Bearinton, the Bear Rogue who maxed out Bluff to fake speaking Common, hired a butler that he gave a magic item to let the butler speak common, and pretended to be human

[valid vapor]

everyone has javelins or hand axe also a barbarian can just rip apart a tree or a rock and throw it

[halcyon bison]

The new conjure animals is pretty nice

[severe fox]

It says take damage or make an attack nothin else

No clue where your getting str check from

[crimson gulch]

Yeah they changed it so barbarians can rage for 10 minuts and extend it as a bonus action if there's no enemy's around

[severe fox]

Make an attack roll against an enemy.
Force an enemy to make a saving throw.
Take a Bonus Action to extend your Rage.

That’s the 24 version

I remember seeing this 3rd party subclass about barbarian being able to wear heavy armor during rage what are y’all’s thoughts on that?

[humble cairn]

Absolutely. Controlling the battlefield is one of the things Druid excels at.

[knotty pasture]

Why couldn't Barb wear heavy armor anyways

[severe fox]

They can they just can’t rage

[knotty pasture]

Like is this a thematic reason or because of balance

[severe fox]

Idk

[knotty pasture]

No Barbs don't get heavy armor proficiency either

[flint ledge]

I mean it's... Fine...? It doesn't really change much ac wise, I guess the thematic isn't for everyone

[knotty pasture]

Just that they made sure to stop people from dipping into Fighter and rage while wearing heavy armor

[severe fox]

Probably cause you don’t really imagine a barbarian in heavy armor or something

Idk

I still hate that in the new rules light armor master gives you shields instead of medium armor master

[valid vapor]

They dont need it and they need freedom of movement and heavy armor dont allows that

[knotty pasture]

Which is really strange

The str class can't wear armor that requires high str

[severe fox]

They only get like a +10 to movement

Which isn’t all that much

[valid vapor]

i dosent mean the feature

[severe fox]

Unlike monk who gets much more movement

[severe fox]

Wdym heavy armor only weighs 40 pounds. 😭

Do people forget that plate is still made to be worn by normal people

[remote wadi]

There was one i heard about online for a talking horse. There wasn't anything magical about the horse, either. Mother was a Centaur, father was a horse headed minotaur

Class was a rogue because you never expect something done by the horse

[severe fox]

Gooby goblin Druid

[remote wadi]

What

[severe fox]

She’s was my joke character

[remote wadi]

I think someone stole your idea

[severe fox]

I know them

[valid vapor]

try to run, jump, swing and axe, with a lot of metal around your body

[remote wadi]

...are they you? /hj

[severe fox]

Even a great sword irl isn’t as heavy as you might think bro..

[remote wadi]

Also, yeah. They could be swing pretty easily and constantly with some practice

[valid vapor]

dragons eaither but hey a 2 feet lizard can kill 1 just punching and telling him he is ugly

[severe fox]

I larp irl and own breast plate and my friend owns full plate irs decently easy to run around in

A guy that could lift 400 pounds could easily move around in 40 pounds on there body

[halcyon bison]

Congratulations! You canonically have at least 15 strength irl

Also that’s pretty cool

[severe fox]

Going by dnd logic id have more or less 14 strength

I can only lift and carry 140 pounds

[halcyon bison]

But are you slowed to 2/3 your normal speed while wearing the full plate??

[hot reef]

I can probably sprint ~10mph, this means I have rogue levels

[severe fox]

Not really?

[umbral girder]

14 strength can lift and carry 420lbs

[halcyon bison]

Yes, as we all know dnd is a perfectly accurate depiction of reality

[valid vapor]

can do acrobatics with a full plate to?

[severe fox]

Even on the heavier end plate only weighs 45 pounds

[severe fox]

Most I can do is a roll

[lyric viper]

There is a video somewhere of someone running, rollng, climbing laddders and so on in a full suit

[severe fox]

Yeah again plate isn’t super heavy

[valid vapor]

Now run, Jump, roll, swing an big hammer twice and yells in someone face in less that 6 seconds

[severe fox]

It was made to be worn by normal people

And nobles

Since not everyone could afford plate back then

[valid vapor]

normal people could never afford a plate in the medieval age

[severe fox]

If I was wearing breast plate I could do a few fancy things like a backflip

[valid vapor]

breast plate, medium armor for dnd standars

[severe fox]

Breast plate is NOT the medium armor standard

It’s still very expensive

[rose cipher]

Hey guys my friend wanted me to show you guys this text he needs help:
Hey Guys, im a pretty new DnD Player and I play with my friends sometimes. When we play, im the DM, because my friends dont want to/are too lazy tbh. But when we play its...not very coordinated and i sometimes for get things and all that, overall im not that great of a DM. Can anyone give me some tips to be better?

[umbral girder]

Dnd Starters for medium is usually scale mail in 2014 and Chain shirts in 2024.

[umbral girder]

Write down the premise of the idea for an adventure, how the players learn about the adventure, then 4-6 encounters for the adventure with some loot/choices on the way.

[severe fox]

It cost me around 900ish dollars for my breast plate

[umbral girder]

Then you take that list of encounters and write down what the players did in those encounters.

See how those outcomes of those encounters can be helpful or be a consequence for the players.

[severe fox]

Plate armor modern is around 500-5000$

Very until

[umbral girder]

If he needs any tools for DMing this can help a ton as its the basics to being a DM: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/the-basics

[severe fox]

Useful

[valid vapor]

and was made to normal people rigth?

[umbral girder]

This is D&D's basic rules set that is put up for free by WOTC

[severe fox]

If you have the money yeah I guess?

[valid vapor]

and the maintenance?

[severe fox]

I’m just saying that if a fighter and move all fancy like in a armor why can’t a barbarian

Maintenance isn’t an issue in dnd

Unless your dm says it is

[valid vapor]

They have training, barbarians dont

[severe fox]

So barbarians can’t train in using heavy armor?

[flint ledge]

Speaking of odd prices do y'all find it odd that scale mail costs the same as a chain shirt but has more AC? I know it gives disadvantage on Stealth but like eh...

[severe fox]

Somethifn something Druid

[valid vapor]

they can but Why would they do that?

they are build like thanks and a medium armor is enough from them

[umbral girder]

Likely a thing of "It was in older editions!" and the stealth bit

[severe fox]

Heavy armor master

Being able to reduce more damage never hurt anybody

[umbral girder]

Heavy Armor Master would be so crazy good with Barbarian rage I can see why it isn't an interaction

Part of why that one high-ish level Rune Knight feature is good too

[severe fox]

True!

[flint ledge]

What about druids?

[valid vapor]

reduce 3 damage form non-magical damage

and reduce your proficeincy bonus in 2024?

[umbral girder]

Because it would be Half damage then subtract that damage

[valid vapor]

yeah a big diference

[severe fox]

Reducing damage by half and then by more is crazy good especially since you can reduce that damage to 0

[umbral girder]

So a Guy who did 40 damage would become 20 then a -3 for 17 damage. (if just using the -3)

With things like Multiattack and groups of monsters it is wildly good

[severe fox]

Exactly!

Also cosplaying guts would be really cool

[umbral girder]

even in 2014 magic damage was rare even for monsters

[flint ledge]

(partially the reason as to why a lot of monsters got other damage types)

[woven flint]

Heavy Armor master REALLY adds up over the course of a campaign, huh? 🤔

You're all half tempting me to take it on my Battlemaster

[severe fox]

I mean even with the new totem warrior force radiant and psychic damage ain’t all that common

Necrotic is decently common

[valid vapor]

still big neft

[umbral girder]

Force is common with Mages primarily

[severe fox]

How often will you be fighting Mage..

[umbral girder]

Since they do that Arcane Burst foolery

[severe fox]

Not really

If your that worried just be an assimar

[umbral girder]

A good bit actually! Turns out "A wizard did it" is more common that you'd think

[valid vapor]

it is

[severe fox]

Now your not resistance against force and psy damage

Which again super uncommon for a monster to have

Unless your fighting mind flayer a and mages all the time

[flint ledge]

Speaking of, it feels like monks are really broke in that department

[woven flint]

Not many evil things you're typically gonna fight do Radiant though

(Unless it's an Evil Cleric or Emperyan)

[severe fox]

That too

[remote wadi]

Lowkey, it wouldn't be that broken past tier 1

[umbral girder]

Mages are probably the most common. Like a lot of modules and people games like Wizard bad guys

Mind Flayers yeah are a lot less common.

[severe fox]

But I don’t think there’s a player race outside of assimar that’s resistance to necrotic

[flint ledge]

The new Tiefling lineage no?

[umbral girder]

Dhampir

[halcyon bison]

Its hard to go wrong with the Comically Evil Wizard

[severe fox]

No

[severe fox]

Forgot about those funky little guys

[woven flint]

Well, you see bloodline
Things that do half one damage type and half BPS is already going to have HALF of their damage Halved and then subtracted more

[umbral girder]

Yes it does. The Cthonic Tiefling

[remote wadi]

Like, in Tier 1, Barbs are undoubtedly hard to kill, but the moment you gain access to most benefits in level 6 and beyond, Barbs fall off

[severe fox]

3 races

[glad arch]

Shadar kai

[bronze canopy]

And one of the gem dragonborns

[severe fox]

I mean without an ability

Like naturally resistance

[glad arch]

They have default necrotic resistance

[woven flint]

Shadar-Kai resist it naturally.

[wintry spindle]

I like the hippo guys

[severe fox]

Are you kidding me!

[glad arch]

Nope

[flint ledge]

Uh yes actually, the Chthonic sub species

[umbral girder]

They do resist it

[thorn wedge]

Shader Kai are wild tbh

[glad arch]

Any resistance for a turn with their teleport but basic necrotic resistance from the get go

[severe fox]

Still proves my point about how totem warrior nerf isn’t as big as people say it is

[umbral girder]

If we want a rare resistance we go for Acid /jk

Nah Plasmoids, Dragonborn, and Water Genasi got it.

[glad arch]

Psychic resistance

[valid vapor]

to be honest i never figth something that do acid daamge

[severe fox]

I wonder what the second most commonly resistances damage is first being fire for player races I men’s

[thorn wedge]

Poison

[crimson gulch]

i did so much acid damage last, black dragon goes brrrr

[severe fox]

Player races

[woven flint]

Kalashtar, Githyanki, Githzerai, a Gem Dragonborn type

[steel pivot]

can a lich ressurect after being disitegrated?

[glad arch]

Are you sure its fire? I know tieflings and a color of dragonborn get it

[umbral girder]

Dwarves, Dragonborn, and Warforged and I think Autognome resist poison.

[flint ledge]

Is his phylactory in tact?

[severe fox]

There’s a bunch of different types of tielfing is why

[umbral girder]

Abyssal Tieflings too!

[valid vapor]

the phylactory was not destroy.. yes

[steel pivot]

its the thing with its heart, yes?

[severe fox]

It can revive from anything as long as it’s thing is there

[glad arch]

Ig if youre counting that, is there any tiefling that doesnt get fire res though?

[umbral girder]

Soul*

[severe fox]

All of them do

[flint ledge]

Then yes it simply revives

[steel pivot]

ah yes, mb

[glad arch]

Yeh so id still say that would count as 1 for most commonly resisted

[umbral girder]

Fun fact, Liches are commonly evil due to them literally being a soulless being (its locked in a jar)

[valid vapor]

not necessarily

[severe fox]

Do what s the secondly most resistancd for players

Player's Handbook
Bloodline of Asmodeus
Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes
Bloodline of Baalzebul
Bloodline of Dispater
Bloodline of Fierna
Bloodline of Glasya
Bloodline of Levistus
Bloodline of Mammon
Bloodline of Mephistopheles
Bloodline of Zariel

[woven flint]

Actually, that's false, only Infernal tieflings get fire resistance naturally Tiefling-wise

[severe fox]

There’s so many tielfings

[valid vapor]

i think the kind of rituals they had to do also are realted

[umbral girder]

That too!

[valid vapor]

people likes horn-ny characaters

[flint ledge]

Can you call them soulless if they put their soul in a safe...

[woven flint]

Tieflings in 2014 Don't count because it's still under one species, they all get it

[umbral girder]

Well the soul isn't with them

[severe fox]

There all considered a different type of tielfing

[umbral girder]

I'd consider someone pantsless if they left their pants in a safe.

[potent vector]

Hey, what are some fun monster features y'all know Abt? Preferably from lower intelligence monsters?

[umbral girder]

Flesh golems healing from lightning

[potent vector]

Iconic ones I should say

[woven flint]

Saying "Fire is the most common resistance because all Tieflings resist it" doesn't make sense logically because we're talking scale of different species having the same, not the same one.

[severe fox]

They have a soul it’s just not on them

[woven flint]

Fire Genasi also resist fire (Shocker!)

[steel pivot]

💔
I thought the part of disitegration where it says "The creature can be restored to life only by means of a true resurrection or a wish spell. " makes distegration a counterplay

[glad arch]

Would you consider someone poor if they had all their money in a safe?

[valid vapor]

but technically the tiefling arent just the half human/Demon variant of them?

[severe fox]

Tielfing just have ties to fiends

[woven flint]

At the end of the day, they're all Tieflings, yes.

[thorn wedge]

Still thinking poison. Dwarves, that one halfling, warforged all get it. As we get into less official territory there’s more as well.

[flint ledge]

Well the thing is that, the lich's whole thing is kinda reviving

[thorn wedge]

Maybe cold would be a competitor with Dragonborn and tieflings

Genasi

[severe fox]

Tielfings get infernal con

Amazing feat

[woven flint]

Reborn, Warforged, Dwarves, Stout Halflings (which 2024 doesn't have anymore) Green Dragonborn

[valid vapor]

if you ask me construct like warforged and autognomes has to be inmune to poison but hey dosent want to OP machines in dnd

[flint ledge]

Honestly why are earth genasis the only ones without a resistance, they feel kinda homeless

[severe fox]

Why would you wanna play a stinky dragon born

[severe fox]

Because bludgeoning resistance would be wild

[thorn wedge]

Ye. Poison resistance is common even with player races

[woven flint]

That's.. a take? I guess. Something you said

[valid vapor]

well they need 4 elements, air, water , fire and earth

[flint ledge]

Just give them thunder Ig

[thorn wedge]

Or poison or something.

[severe fox]

Earth elements are vulnerable to thunder

[valid vapor]

they have BA blade ward

[woven flint]

Any damage resistance you can think of at LEAST has one playable thing resistant to it
EXCEPT BPS if you consider Dragonborn from Fizbans

[severe fox]

So it would go against what an earth gen is

[valid vapor]

slashing, pircing and bludgeoning

[umbral girder]

Yeah the Gem dragons got a good bit of them.

Do gem dragons have Radiant resistance I wonder?

[woven flint]

I just said EXCEPT B/P/S in that same sentence

[potent vector]

Ye

[umbral girder]

Bro did not read the message

[valid vapor]

they have

[flint ledge]

That's pretty limited though

[severe fox]

No yeah every damage type is resistanted by at least one player race in dnd

Since the weirdo gym dragons exist

[woven flint]

Except BPS as mentioned

[severe rampart]

Psychic?

[severe fox]

Kalatasr

[severe rampart]

oh sorry I mean, force?

[woven flint]

Kalashtar, Githyanki, Githzerai

[severe fox]

Gym dragon

[woven flint]

Amythyst Dragonborn

[severe rampart]

Wth is a gym dragon 😭

[halcyon bison]

I know thats a typo but gym dragons sounds like a very funny concept

[woven flint]

They mean Gem dragon

[severe rampart]

Ahh I see

[valid vapor]

an edy haul dragonborn

[severe fox]

Time to work out!🏋️‍♀️

[severe rampart]

the dragon she tells you not to worry about /j

[umbral girder]

My fighter Dragonborn clearly

[severe fox]

The 3 wonders of dnd
Gem dragons
Humans
Dragon turtles

[woven flint]

I too have a Dragonborn Fighter

His name is Orizontas
He's Bronze
And breathes lightning :]

[severe fox]

And by wonders I mean no body knows where the hell they came from

[flint ledge]

Once again I advertise to just slap animals and dragons together and hope something good comes out

[woven flint]

People know where Dragonborn came from, though, in lore.

[umbral girder]

Fem dragonborn have a origin point in fizban's

[severe fox]

Those are the dragon born

I said gem dragons

[valid vapor]

a wizard did it

[severe rampart]

I don't think I've played Dragonborns at all

[severe fox]

I will throw a fit

[woven flint]

Gem Dragons?
Sardior made them.
The gem dragon god.

[umbral girder]

Yeah we got an origni for Gem Dragons yeah

[severe fox]

Oh

[umbral girder]

Sardior the Ruby Dragon God

[woven flint]

Sardior is just.. dead atm lmao

[umbral girder]

One of the 3 big Dragon Gods

[severe fox]

The wonders of dnd
Humans
Dragon turtles
Maybe owlbears…

[flint ledge]

Isn't sardior from older editions?

[umbral girder]

Created by Bahamut and Tiamat working together to make an equal

[umbral girder]

Fizbans and a few 5e modules talk about him

[flint ledge]

Ah so he's still canon

[severe fox]

No one still knows where owlbears came from

[woven flint]

Poor Sardior, isn't he like.. quite literally shattered across the Multiverse, Nealen?

[umbral girder]

Also the book of Dragons too from last year. A lot of dragon gods are still around

[umbral girder]

Yep!

[severe fox]

I still wanna know where humans came from in dnd

[valid vapor]

a wizard did it literaly at least the owlbears

[severe fox]

That’s only a theory

[umbral girder]

Null for example actually lost his godhood and is lurking in the Outlands according to Fizban's and Planescape and The Book of Dragons

[woven flint]

Logistically
Our Earth.

Because Toril and OUR Earth both exist within D&D lore

[flint ledge]

Why the hell did someone feel the need to make an owlbear

[severe fox]

But that’s only a theory

There’s no official canon as to when humans showed up in dnd

[woven flint]

No, it literally does
Elminster canonically visits Ed Greenwood

[severe fox]

They just kinda appeared

[glad arch]

Damn why didnt i get sucked off to magical elfs and fairies land

[flint ledge]

Actually how did the designers first come up with the concept of an owlbear....

[umbral girder]

Yeah the reason it is called the Forgotten Realms is because Toril used to be connected to Earth but isn't any more. Making the Realms Forgotten.

[crimson gulch]

A random bag of plastic toys from China inspired alot of monsters

[severe fox]

Again a wizard making an owlbear is only a theory

[valid vapor]

ask wizards they do weird stuff and the bulette is 1 of hundres of proof

[woven flint]

It's again.. literal lore.

[umbral girder]

Elminster is telling Ed Greenwood about the realms is the lore behind it. not even a theory

[umbral girder]

Dollar store bag of toys actually!

And they said "sure lets make something up!"

[flint ledge]

That is... Pretty interesting actually

[severe fox]

Owlbear Origins. Scholars have long debated the origins of the owlbear. The most common theory is that a demented wizard created the first specimen by crossing a giant owl with a bear. However, venerable elves claim to have known these creatures for thousands of years, and some fey insist that owlbears have always existed in the Feywild.

[umbral girder]

Same with the Umber Hulk and Bulette (however it is spelt)

[woven flint]

Fey are widely unreliable as sources for anything
Little scamps

[severe fox]

through in 24 they changed it

[umbral girder]

A lot of 5e is "Who knows how it happened...." and you find out in 2e its "This is literally how it happened."

[severe fox]

true

[woven flint]

5e went back and added mystique to things that were already confirmed with HOW they exist

[shy stirrup]

Owlbear Origins: you have a Monster Manual to fill, you take two creatures, smoosh them together, and now you have 3 monsters instead of 2

[umbral girder]

I like to imagine the Lady of Pain caused humans to appear but realistically they came from Earth through Sigil.

[severe fox]

i still wanna know where Io is

[woven flint]

Io is dead, I believe, right?

[umbral girder]

Didn't they die and become Tiamat and Bahamut?

[severe fox]

HE DIED?!

[glad arch]

Owlbears are goated though tbf

[umbral girder]

Like split in half like those two pokemon

[severe fox]

oh wait im thinking of Ao

my mistake

they really gotta change the names of these gods

[umbral girder]

Ao is chilling in his hot tub until the Third Sundering is my guess.

[severe fox]

now i just picture the almighty doing absolutely nothing

granted in lore thats exactly what he does

[flint ledge]

I think honestly it's better cause now they're moving from forgotten realms being the standard universal truth to a more open ended version

[severe fox]

5e is more of a mutiverse now rather then just being stuck in FR

[woven flint]

From my understanding
Deities in the realms never truly die?
Either their essence is absorbed by another Deity (like Helm was for Tyr) or they go through some kind of rebirth like Mystra has.
I'm sure there are ways to permanently kill them, but their essence still exist

[severe fox]

mainly due to the infinite staircase and all its crazy adventures

i love that adventure so much

[umbral girder]

To quote Elminster "Why would you assume death is the end for a god? After all they clearly gave you the power to bring back what has died."

[woven flint]

Like Sardior STILL exists, his essence is just scattered across the multiverse, for example and doesn't seem to be able to reform

[severe fox]

i still think its cool that Elminster is the strongest mortal in 5e

not sure about all time through...

[umbral girder]

Yeah his consciousness is split into pieces

[sudden hollow]

Does anyone else make backup characters for every possible location the party could go?

[umbral girder]

Nope.

[severe fox]

no?

dying is for losers

or really cool winners

[glad arch]

You make 1 back up character who magically appears when you die

[woven flint]

Both of my characters that have died went out gloriously

[sudden hollow]

I have one for each realm and several locations within realms

Like a drow monk if I die in the underdark

A warforged warlock of the archey for fey wild

A tiefling fighter if I die in avernus

[severe fox]

i wonder whos the strongest mortal in dnd history

[minor cargo]

me.

[sudden hollow]

Ect

[severe fox]

the strongest in history

[woven flint]

Probably Elminster TBH
He kinda just does as he pleases

[glad arch]

All the strong mortals turn immortal

[potent vector]

Into Gem Dragons ye

[severe fox]

the strongest of today AND the strongest in history

thats peak writting

[sudden hollow]

I... have been fed to a chimera, sold into slavery and killed by said slavery while escaping, and dropped into a chasm... 3 deaths, 3 characters, one session

[glad arch]

Hardcore table

[severe fox]

skill issue

[still plover]

You sure you're not in a DCC game?

[glad arch]

Maybe, is the rest also dying?

Or just you

[woven flint]

My Earth Genasi Genies Paladin fought a lich while the party was escaping the Shadowfell
We were level 11 and he took 4 solid hits from the lich before dying

[severe fox]

i mean theres pletny of way to get out of chains

granted i mainly play druids so its pretty hard to lock me down

unless you have anti magic laying around

[sudden hollow]

1 or more party members caused each issue

[severe fox]

are you sure your party just really doesnt like you?

[glad arch]

Shadar kai with PB of teleports every long rest

Teleported out of gelatinious cube twice

[flint ledge]

Noticing a pattern of self sacrifice....

[severe fox]

thats why you take fey touched

[woven flint]

My Aarokocra Divine Soul Sorcerer destroyed himself and a Liches entire castle (and the lich) by making a temporary black hole with his ring of three wishes

[severe fox]

a BLACK HOLE!

see this guy knows how to go out in style

[woven flint]

The Lich threatened to kill his son and he was on his last leg.

[glad arch]

Do i need more daily teleports though

[feral fulcrum]

Sphere of Annihilation

[severe rampart]

Yuki?

[woven flint]

His son was a Drow child he adopted in his early adulthood

[halcyon bison]

that was not very nice of them

[severe fox]

me an archfey warlock with 8 teleports after why not why not get more teleports

[feral fulcrum]

They're a Lich, they're frequently not nice.

[severe fox]

the new arach fey is crazy good

[glad arch]

Teleporting around do be fun ill agree

[woven flint]

What better way to make sure a lich is destroyed if his Phylactry is SOMEWHERE in his castle than to take out his entire castle

[severe fox]

teleports equal to your chrisma mod

[sudden hollow]

Well the chasm one was cause the arachnophobic wizard saw a giant spider and true to his word instantly cast fireball... the floor was webs.. and I was the only one over the chasm

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, I need to cast Clone sooner or later.

[woven flint]

I'd frankly be pissed 😭

[severe fox]

you were SOLD INTO SLAVERY

[sudden hollow]

Oh yeah

[severe fox]

my brother

[sudden hollow]

We froze for like 30 seconds staring at eachother

[severe fox]

lets not touch that -3-

[woven flint]

... that's weird to say

[severe fox]

i dont think any player should sell another play into slavery

[glad arch]

5 a day at probably lvl 8 id very nice

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah lets drift away from that subject shall we?

[sudden hollow]

Still the funniest dnd moment I have ever been in

[severe fox]

getting a 20 in chrisma isnt that hard by level 5

[severe rampart]

So how about those dungeons? oh and those dragons, pretty... gnarly

[severe fox]

then you can pick a race that gives you more tps

[glad arch]

5? How are you doing that without rolling

[sudden hollow]

Bonuses

I have a few standard array character that have an 18 at lvl 1

[glad arch]

15 point buy, +2 background/species +2 asi lvl 4

[feral fulcrum]

16 +2 from Racial = 18 Level 4 ASI +2 = 20

[severe fox]

what asdx said

theres also that really evil think you can do with CL

[glad arch]

So rolled, got it

[sudden hollow]

Not rolled

Standard array

[glad arch]

Point buy caps at 15

[severe fox]

15+2 from race +1 from a half feat and another 2 from a feat

[sudden hollow]

Standard array

[glad arch]

Also 15 max

[sudden hollow]

No?

[glad arch]

15-14-13-12-10-8

[severe fox]

i just showed you what to do if you want a 20 at level 4

[glad arch]

Your dm might be playing with different array

[feral fulcrum]

15, 14, 13, 12, 10, and 8 is Standard Array rules as written

[glad arch]

Okay but thats 2 feats, which raw you dont get till 8. Seeing as origins feats dont give stats iirc

[severe fox]

again if your dm allows CL 15+2 from race +1 from fey touched and then +2 from feat

[glad arch]

Cl?

[severe fox]

custom linage

[sudden hollow]

Drow monk i have at level 4. 15+2 (drow) +1 skill exert

[feral fulcrum]

Custome Lineage

[sudden hollow]

18 dex

[glad arch]

Fair enough, human/cl will do that

[severe fox]

human cant

since they only get a +1 in 2 stats

[glad arch]

Old (v)human

[severe fox]

CL gets a flat +2 in any stat

[glad arch]

Interesting

[severe fox]

allowing for a +3 to a 15

if you pick a half feat that is

[glad arch]

Yeh that checks out now, took me a sec

[severe fox]

its why CL is so often banned

[sudden hollow]

I get 18 early without it lol

[severe fox]

i only play varient human for the free prodigy feat

[feral fulcrum]

People are ban happy with things that are not all that broken or unbalanced

[severe fox]

flying races haters when they find out not every combat encounter will be outide:

[feral fulcrum]

Especially since 5E is...not a hard game unless you're going out of your way to over crank CR and numbers of enemies

[sudden hollow]

3 days until curse of strahd again

Im excited. The campaign im actually useful in

[severe fox]

the only flying race i dont really like is the VF tielfing

[feral fulcrum]

From what I've seen discussed on here, there's a surprising amount of DM's who seem just go "Okay so this one thing mildly screwed an encoutner once. It is BROKEN and I must CRIPPLE IT."

[severe fox]

since every other flying race cant use medium armor but VF tielfing is like screw that rule

[sudden hollow]

I think that is what happened to my dm.. cause the stuff he bans is so baby level counterable

[sudden hollow]

Cant dragonborn use medium?

[severe fox]

thats only for a while

[feral fulcrum]

Dragonborn is a temporary flight, runs off of different rules generally

[severe fox]

at level 3-5 i cant remember

VF tielfngs get perm flight medium armor

[feral fulcrum]

It's only Perma Flight that gets stuck with light armo 99% of the time.

WOTC still doesn't know how it wants to treat flight, and that's kind of sad

[sudden hollow]

Oh I have never seen a difference to permanent flight and temp flight unless you just wanna aurafarm and never touch the ground?

[severe fox]

that would be a hover speed