dnd-discussion

[primal wolf]

Switchaxe moment

[obtuse stratus]

I'm starting to think a Kyton Chain Devil hiding in the rafters of a meat storage room would be A+. Oo and Derros and Chain Devils would make a solid subset of encounters for an underground area

[primal wolf]

should maybe maybe a phial system for it too

[obtuse stratus]

Solid cursed item.

[woven flint]

I'm thinking of how to Flavor my Warforged Pugilist using "Dig Deep" (it's like Barbarian rage but it lasts for 10 minutes each use and it's just the defensive Bps Resistance)
I'm thinking maybe his hardened metallic flesh absorbs kenetic energy or something
Or maybe it's a reaction from his mark of Sentinel magically shielding his body from physical damage

[steel moth]

charge blade time

[rugged hawk]

Pocket Mimics / Pouch Mimics: never fear pickpockets again

[obtuse stratus]

Mimic mimicing people to hunt its prey in the open. Looks vaguely like a human so if you run into it in the dark you wouldn't notice, except you'd be eaten. Brings me back to the schoolbus SCP too

[rugged hawk]

That's just a weremimic

What we really need is some Pocket Spheres of Annihilation

Kid runs into you, sticks hand in your pocket, POOF, no more kid

[obtuse stratus]

picks up a nice compact and goes to check their makeup MIMIC

[rugged hawk]

I wonder if we could make a Sphere of Annihilation invisible with magic and let it loose in a city.

[lavish vortex]

woah

[obtuse stratus]

Just walking around, having a nice day poof

[rugged hawk]

Magi-grenade full of Micro Spheres of Annihilation shrapnel

[rancid tinsel]

Do we know if or when gunslinger will ever become an offical class so to say,

[obtuse stratus]

Vin, is that you're answer or just your hope?

[rugged hawk]

Yes.

[obtuse stratus]

Do you not like guns in your fantasy?

[torpid hound]

Pistol and Musket are way too expensive

[rancid tinsel]

Wdym

[woven flint]

Probably not, no

[wispy vector]

I just found out about the Ravenous Void spell and now want to make a graviturgy character.
My question, which race would be the funniest to spontaneously summon a black hole.

[rancid tinsel]

Maaaan, I wanted to be able to make holes magically appear through the middle of enemy heads with about 8 grams of lead going 820 miles an hour

[obtuse stratus]

I don't think there is a funniest

[woven flint]

Doesn't work.
Raw

[wispy vector]

Can't you just play a fighter and get the gunner feat?
Would be the most optimal too

[wispy vector]

Really? Not even something like a chaotic Goblin or Kobold, laughing maniacally?

[woven flint]

Everytime someone jokes about the peasant railgun, I die inside a little

[obtuse stratus]

Nah, not really funny

[wispy vector]

Fair enough, was just going on a whim there anyway

[opaque tusk]

Locothah

[obtuse stratus]

Oh, man, guys, Bon Jovi added me from this server. Muhahaha, new bot

[rancid tinsel]

Like chuckles the clown once said I cast GUN, prepare to meet god

[obtuse stratus]

I dunno, maybe I just din't find summoning a black hole funny. I guess maybe if it were a frog and its stomach. Or a tortle pops into its shell and black hole head

[rancid tinsel]

Railgun you say?

[short brook]

Have you guys seen that thread on Twitter about Mercer styles of play?

[still plover]

Nope. What's the TLDR?

[short brook]

It's such an interesting topic to me, because I feel like a mid player that these people are so opinionated it's jarring to me

[rancid tinsel]

bows on one knee you might be the best person ever, thank thee for bestowing mineself with knowledge as enticing as thyn's

I MUST KNOW MORE

[short brook]

It was advice from Mercer on how to narrate plot hooks, like the call to adventure. The thread was about calling it the worst thing to happen to DnD because it diverted people's expectation of the game

Has almost a million views on it

[rancid tinsel]

What is this holy speculation you speak of

[obtuse stratus]

Hand things to peasants who hand them down, time passing isnt much, the thing accelerates to light speed and fires

[rancid tinsel]

What?

[short brook]

Mercer's the type to give good details and narrate the scene like thought candy, and sort of the guide the players through a "stick and carrot" type of plot, and they're saying its fundamently changed the game for the worst. I'm a newbie it feels still, so i was just curious to people that played more about it feel on the matter

[obtuse stratus]

You have a line of peasants, you have them pass an item down the line, it takes a negligeble amount of time to the end to the point you have accelerated the item to a high velocity, the item is passed by the last one into the air and fires off super fast

[rancid tinsel]

OMG YES

I love it

So each time it's passed, it goes faster?

[obtuse stratus]

It's a really really really dumb game mechanic nonsense thing. It reduces the fantasy and the fiction to absurdity (satire). But at some point it was speculated to work, which is just absurd enough to be something Abserd would do

[short brook]

I'm not sure i'm allowed to post the link to it, but it's an interesting read for me

[rancid tinsel]

So it's kind of like how in minecraft Java, the more a minecart spins in circles, the faster it will go, essentially making a railgun, is that right?

[wise coral]

fantasy rpg where instead of picking a race you pick two races, one for your father and one for your mother. its most common and usually strategically best to stick to the same two but mismatches can have awesome synergies. a lot like multiclassing

[obtuse stratus]

Mercer's gameplay is fine. People coming into the game with odd expectations because they were introduced to the game solely through him isn't fine as they have to come to terms with the table they are at being fundamentally different from what amounts to a show

[severe fox]

just realzied the days of wizard not having healing spells is over

[rancid tinsel]

What are you on about?

[obtuse stratus]

Sounds like it.

[rancid tinsel]

Got it

[wise coral]

hm? just an idea i had

[rancid tinsel]

Oh ok

[remote wadi]

Ranger, though

[timber turtle]

can you be a warlock without knowing what youre a warlock for?

[still plover]

Yes.

[remote wadi]

...I'm sorry, what?

[short brook]

The whole thread is of people being against a narrative the dm wants to form as it takes away player agencies, they think the game should be formed by the player. I don't seeing myself enjoying that sort of game, that's more sandbox and I feel uninteresting sometimes

[severe fox]

can a person without spell casting use the dragon mark feats spells?

[obtuse stratus]

His style is fine. We used to call railroading without the players realizing it to be DM-fu

[thorn wedge]

An old trick that abused the way some mechanics were worded to make peasants move extremely fast and break the game.

[short brook]

DM-fu? lol

[craggy summit]

I believe so yes. Any class that can't normally cast spells, can still do so through their racial spells, magic items, etc etc

(except for barbarians when raging)

[severe fox]

ah i see i see

[obtuse stratus]

The Dungeonmastering art of directing pkayers where you want them to be without them realizing you're doing it

[thorn wedge]

Tbh if you do a good job with your plot hooks you should generally have a good idea where the party is going and what they’re going to do.

[reef tundra]

Actually, some do specify you only get the spells if you have the Spellcasting feature, but iirc not all of them say this

[wise coral]

counterpoint

i want it to work because im stupid and i think its funny

[remote wadi]

This all tells me nothing on how it actually works

[severe fox]

thats what im trying to understand cause the text is a little funky
" If you have the Spellcasting or Pact Magic class feature, the spells on the Mark of Handling Spells table are added to that feature’s spell list."

[short brook]

I saw a re-tweet of the thread of saying the same thing pretty much lol, it was like let them ignore the plot hook and then put it somewhere else in a different outfit

[severe fox]

also doesnt this mean that a wizard can get healing spells

[reef tundra]

I don’t think you’re stupid for liking it. If the DM allows it and thinks it’s fun, it’s perfectly fine! Unorthodox but against the rules, but fun is the main priority

[wise coral]

oh no im not stupid for liking it im just stupid :3

[obtuse stratus]

One usually needs to reduce an argument to absurdity, the Peasant Railgun is already there, to accept it because you think it works mechanically is exactly a level of rules engineering that turns a serious game into the DM just losing it. In a meme game or one off sure whatever

[thorn wedge]

You’d have a ton of peasants stand in a line 5 feet apart and pass a throwable item to each other. Because in theory a round is 6 seconds, that would mean you could make that item move literal miles in a single second. The last peasant in the line would throw it, and gain damage based on the assumed speed of the item.

[severe fox]

wizard can be even better supports now

[reef tundra]

Ah yes, that means you only have the spells if you have the Spellcasting or pact magic feature

[severe fox]

ahhhh i see

[thorn wedge]

It doesn’t work, because there is no damage calculation for the speed of an item except falling which it is not. It’s being thrown.

[blissful ibex]

Basically they're added as options you're allowed to prep or otherwise take as part of your class' normal spell preperation mechanic

[reef tundra]

…. The flood gates have been opened

[serene jolt]

Yes it does.

[severe fox]

yeah cause mark of healing

[reef tundra]

Why WOTC, why have you done this… /lhj

[serene jolt]

I have an archfey warlock with Mark of Healing and I'm a great healer/support/DPS. XD

[reef tundra]

The one thing (other than HP) that held wizards back was lack of healing spells

[blissful ibex]

Mark of Passage for all those nice mobility spells and Find Steed

[severe fox]

not to mention its an a origin feat

[reef tundra]

Rip all Eberron DMs

[serene jolt]

You're especially helpful if you are able to take one of the heightened feats too. Like either Greater Marks or Potent.

[reef tundra]

Although I’d love to run a game in Eberron one day

[severe fox]

i love greater marks

my favorite mark is mark of handling

[serene jolt]

I grabbed Potent for myself since I'm a warlock. A free casting of Prayer of Healing is definitely worthwhile.

[severe fox]

being able to cast speak with animals on an owlbear is so cool

[serene jolt]

Also having all the spells automatically prepared is a bonus. You're fighting a lich? Just use Aura of Life. Ez.

Also that. Some day, I want to make a ranger/ranger equivalent who can speak with monsters. XD

[lone coral]

Another level up in my ToD game 🙂

[severe fox]

i paired mark of handling with Emerald Enclave Fledgling

[reef tundra]

It would be pretty badass to speak deep speech with a beholder, or abyssal with a demon

[rough basalt]

I wanna run an Eberron game.

[reef tundra]

I think I’d just pick up comprehend languages

[severe fox]

Emerald Enclave Fledgling is such a dope feat ngl

it makes speak with animals last for 8 hours if you ritual cast it

[reef tundra]

Me too. I’m normally all in on medieval fantasy settings, but Eberron does scratch the magitech/steampunk fantasy so well

[obtuse stratus]

Oh snap! Hey Meabhy

[severe fox]

Eberron is so dope

[reef tundra]

And I recently bought Forge of the Artificer so I’ve learnt quite a bit about it

[severe fox]

thats peak

[blissful ibex]

But like, Skilled is so nice on non skill classes q_q

[severe fox]

skilled is nice but i always play sorcerer or wizard lol

[blissful ibex]

7 proficencies is infinitely better than 4

[serene jolt]

What about the warlock invocation that you can just cast speak with animals at will?

Love that too.

[reef tundra]

I almost always go for it when I play a human

[severe fox]

i prefer prodigy

[rough basalt]

I like fantasy that feels fantasy idk how to describe it

[severe fox]

thats the only reaosn i go Varient human

[reef tundra]

No no, I completely understand that /gen

[obtuse stratus]

I agree, but I also like Ebberon

What I HAAAATE is sci-fi rugpulls

[reef tundra]

Ah, a 2014 5e player.

[severe fox]

yeah

im pretty new to dnd 5e as a whole

[reef tundra]

Surprisingly I never went for variant human when I played it, I really should have

No clue why I went for… regular human 😭

[severe fox]

i like Variant human only for prodigy a free expertise was always goated for my wizards

but now wizard get it by default so

[rough basalt]

Well Eberron is very fantasy.
Just in its own ways.

[obtuse stratus]

As a Human main, I just take human.

[rough basalt]

Like guns aren't guns.
They're wands.

[severe fox]

i like goblins

but if i had to pick a PHB race id pick a tielfling

i love how in the new rules they have ties to both the abyss and hell

[rough basalt]

It is funny how they call Gunslingers in eberron Wandslingers cause in Eberron guns are wands.

[severe fox]

do yall think tasha's is gonna get reprinted?

[rough basalt]

No

[obtuse stratus]

Was using Hexroll for B/X and they rugpulled me with a rocket ship. Look, it may have been funny in old school games but it's actually just really annoying when I'm solo playing and there is a rocket ship

[severe fox]

i thought so too

[rough basalt]

Stuff from it will be reprinted in different books but not tashas itself

[severe fox]

mainly because a lot of tasha stuff was already ported into 2024

[rough basalt]

Like Lolths Web of Everything might have a lot of the Tashas subs and rules that weren't minorly adjusted and needed reprinted.

[celest ocean]

I honestly would love to play in an normal DnD world

[severe fox]

Lolth's web of everything 😭

i still need Gale's book of magic items

it just adds BG3 magic items

like that greater amulet of health

[rough basalt]

I mean stuff like that has just always been in dnd

[reef tundra]

Unsure but I’d absolutely love another Tasha book…

I promise I’m not biased…

[severe fox]

i wonder why...

[rough basalt]

One of the original popular modules from the 70s remade for 5e takes place in a spaceship and has alien guns.

[grizzled lance]

i would love another xanathars book

im not biased either

[obtuse stratus]

I know but it just killed it for me. There I am, wooing hirelings and charming goblins into followers and BAM rocket ship. Couldn't even find a dungeon to level up in, instead it was a rocket ship

[celest ocean]

I don't mind custom worlds but i make characters based in DnD lore and its sad i can't use them in those custom worlds.

[severe fox]

omg i know what you mean

[rough basalt]

Makes sense

[severe fox]

i put so much research into the 9 hells only to be told they dont exist in this place

[blissful ibex]

A bunch of the most interesting spells come from there, so I'd have to agree XD

[reef tundra]

… no reason…

[obtuse stratus]

I get SUPER into the forgotten realms because Greenwood is a god, and then just "hey, you've been transported to my space whale, have a babel fish"

[uncut zenith]

That’s typically why I wait to join a campaign before making a character instead of making a character and trying to slot them into a potential campaign. The former is easier than the latter.

[rough basalt]

Forgotten Realms has always had wacky elements. Ed started it when he was a kid.

[celest ocean]

I know but i get bored and start making a character

[uncut zenith]

I roll up characters for fun all the time, but 99% of the time I end up making a character that fits the campaign I’m joining anyways

[severe fox]

when was Ao's name first mentioned in dnd

[celest ocean]

I now have a ranger made and i don't like rangers

[reef tundra]

-# To show support for my wife, her last few books were very good and I am very proud. Although she should have warned me she had someone in the demonamacon

[uncut zenith]

I don’t make it a case to get attached to characters I haven’t started playing yet

[obtuse stratus]

Oh this was about the person saying they want to play in a "normal D&D world" and my own experiences there when I have tried them going into campaigns

[rough basalt]

Yeah no dnd world is "normal"

[celest ocean]

Normal as in books DnD

[uncut zenith]

What makes D&D campaign settings so fun to play is how not normal they are

[severe fox]

exactly

[obtuse stratus]

That's true, but when you want to play FR and then the initial hook is "you're now in a totally different setting" it can be exhausting

[severe fox]

thats kinda the reason why i dont play humans in dnd

[celest ocean]

Normal DnD = not homebrew world

I keep making humans cause humans are awesome.

[pure spoke]

Genuinely curious what everyone thinks are the best premade 5/5.5 campaigns here. I'm new to being a DM and want to give my family an epic adventure worthy of legends. Is there a standout favourite that people are in general agreement on? Or is it all over the map?

[rough basalt]

It's all over the map

[uncut zenith]

Well that’s more so an issue of expectations not being met. If I join a campaign that takes place in Eberron and the DM suddenly takes us to a different setting for the unforeseeable future and they didn’t say there was a chance at us visiting other worlds for a short amount of time, I’d be kinda peeved too.

[rough basalt]

Even what could be considered the "best module" isn't for everyone.

[celest ocean]

What i hear its Curse of Strahd

[severe fox]

fastest way to annoy your dm take the crafter feat
"Discount. Whenever you buy a nonmagical item, you receive a 20 percent discount on it."

[obtuse stratus]

HEAVY

[rough basalt]

Curse of Strahd I would not run for your family

[celest ocean]

Also that

[rough basalt]

Unless it's all adults

[reef tundra]

Man I wish my players would pick the crafter feat

[uncut zenith]

Curse of Strahd imo is fun to play in, not so fun to run. Especially if you’re a new DM.

[blissful ibex]

then tell them that XD

[celest ocean]

Its what i hear is regarded as best most often

[uncut zenith]

Curse of Strahd was written as basically a massive sandbox that requires a lot of work on the DM’s part to make into a cohesive adventure. In my experience, it’s daunting to run for new/beginner DMs.

[blissful ibex]

Give them a Mark of Prestige reward after a major quest that gives them a trainer that can teach it to them

[pure spoke]

Nope lol
5 YO and 10 YO boys

[rough basalt]

Then definitely not strahd

[reef tundra]

But what if they don’t want to? I ain’t gonna make them pick a character creation option I want

[uncut zenith]

You also have to keep in mind that “best” is subjective

[celest ocean]

Waterdeep heist?

[blissful ibex]

Which is why you give it to them as part of a quest reward c:
The Mark of Preseige system exists for a reason :3

[severe fox]

me staring in i wanna run Curse of Strahd soon

[rough basalt]

Spoilers ||Strahd has kids constantly killed, abused, drug abuse, misogyny, all sorts of misery and content warning stuff||

[reef tundra]

Now that’s a good idea

[lyric viper]

For Younger kids? Wildsheep chase is a good quick oneshot, kid friendly. Peril in Pinebrook is designed for younger users and helps guide DMs.

[pure spoke]

Right right. I was mostly wondering if there are any specific mods that are BAD

[rough basalt]

Storm King's Thunder is pretty bad

[uncut zenith]

Again, it’s kind of a matter of opinion

[reef tundra]

I just realised a player just crafted their second item, I can give it to them when they make their third

[rough basalt]

You need good dm experience to turn it into adventure as they don't give you anything but a glossary of locations

[pure spoke]

I'm asking for opinions here so, humour me. I'm not here for a linguistic debate lol

[uncut zenith]

I’m personally not a fan of Storm King’s Thunder, Rime of the Frostmaiden, or Tomb of Annihilation, yet there are plenty of people in here who will go to war for those modules

[rough basalt]

Storm King's Blunder takes some serious dm skill

[lyric viper]

I loved my SKT game, more so for the characters and experience, but it's quite sandboxy and easy to end up going 'Wait.. why are we here? What we doing?;

[rough basalt]

If there were a difficulty slider for modules, SKT would be a Very Hard for dms on the slider

[blissful ibex]

'WBW-DC-DCAF01 Pixie Dreams' and 'WBW-DC-DCAF01B Barangay Bound' can be run as oneshots rather easily, are a good mix of every pillar, and would be fun for a younger audience

[uncut zenith]

I don’t think there are “good” or “bad” modules, I just think there are modules that either do or don’t meet the expectations of those playing at the table.

[rough basalt]

You're better off just taking the strongholds and the premise and making your own adventure

[severe fox]

man why did i never take vampires plaything
"Decanting. When you finish a Long Rest, you can create one Potion of Healing or an Antitoxin, as long as you have an empty vial or flask. These liquids evaporate when you finish another Long Rest."

[lyric viper]

Honestly though a very young 5 year old will be hard to keep focused for a long game.

[rough basalt]

Which is basically the module anyway

[pure spoke]

This has been accounted for. No worries there.

[blissful ibex]

Free healing potion every LR isn't half bad
Lets you get people back up as a BA

[rough basalt]

Phandelver might not be a bad choice

[uncut zenith]

Or a one-shot from one of the anthology books

[rough basalt]

You can easily cut out the dark bits without having to rewrite the whole adventure

[reef tundra]

Maybe a oneshot from dragon delves, although I haven’t read that one yet, or the adventures in Faerun

[uncut zenith]

The first adventure in the Dragon Delves book is pretty kid friendly. It’s very inspired by Hansel and Gretel, so it has a fun fairy tale vibe to it

[rough basalt]

Dragon Delves I've heard good things about

[reef tundra]

Oh that’s cute!

[uncut zenith]

And for reasons I won’t divulge due to not wanting to spoil the adventure, it’s actually less scary than Hansel and Gretel

[celest ocean]

One day i get to visit baldursgate or waterdeep or vaasa for what ever reason that place is in DnD

Atleast its not Lohja thats in DnD

[pure spoke]

Less fatalities lol

[rough basalt]

But yeah if asking community, like nothic said, bad is subjective. But some adventures are considered bad by a lot of the community for not unreasonable reasons.

[pure spoke]

Okay, I've already got Phandelver, Icespire, and Borderlands. So I guess I'll browse through those three and see which one speaks to me the most

Appreciate the help everyone. Yes I know some people have a hard time understanding that I'm just looking for opinions and not a definite subjective answer lol

[rough basalt]

Yeah there's no objectively bad adventures.
And most adventures have issues dms have to fix anyways

Just what people call a bad vs good adventure is how much they have to fix

[tawdry sentinel]

I've run both phandelver and icespire. And phandelver is nicer to run.

Icespire has really cool set pieces but they're not particularly tied together very well and you do a lot of things just because someone asked you to do them. It is a good chassis for sticking other stuff into though.

[tough sandal]

Phandelver is a traditional adventure that guides players through a streamlined narrative.
Icespire Peak focuses more on being an open-world sandbox.

I cannot tell you about the Borderlands Starter Adventures. 😅

[rough basalt]

Like Storm King's Thunder you really gotta work your ass off to make it into an adventure and that's not what most people want out of a module so it's perceived as one of the worst by a lot of people.

[celest ocean]

Borderlands starter adventures like the game with claptrap?

[rough basalt]

But Phandelver you can just run and have no issues except sometimes changing loot to better fit the party or doing some HP buffing on bosses to make them more satisfying.

[tough sandal]

Yep, and it's real easy to expand Phandelver into a grander Faerûn campaign.

If that's what you want, at least.

[rough basalt]

It's probably one of the most well designed 5e adventures.

And even it has some questionable bits

[tough sandal]

I know that's how my Phandelver game went, my players are LV 13. 😅

They're gonna be due for a level-up soon... but you didn't hear that from me.

[rough basalt]

It's so easy to run I found myself desperate to run more games just to break a metaphorical sweat

And I love that. It's my favorite module.

[pure spoke]

Nice. This helps a lot to hear

Thank you guys

[tough sandal]

The funny part about some of early 5th edition modules is they focus a lot on being sandboxes.

[obtuse stratus]

Then how come half my parties die to Goblin Arrows 🤣

[rough basalt]

And they sometimes don't give you the toys to play in the sand.

[uncut zenith]

In more recent years, their adventures haven’t been very sandbox-y

[rough basalt]

Skill /j

[uncut zenith]

They’ve spent the last few years making much more streamlined adventures with some sandbox so players don’t feel fully railroaded

[rough basalt]

I think they realized a lot of 5e players don't necessarily have the ability to work in a full sandbox so mixing the two is a better idea.

[obtuse stratus]

Nah, you were right 🤣. I don't even use the goblins ability to hide as a BA. They just die to splitting up or fighting Klarg

[uncut zenith]

But in the earlier days of 5E, their campaigns were almost entirely sandbox-y. Like Curse of Strahd and Storm King’s Thunder.

[rough basalt]

It's part of why most Strahd campaigns never finish I'd imagine.

People get into barovia and they're like "uhh."

For a couple sessions then leave or try to open a bakery or something

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, an adventure module should be ready and easy to run by any DM, regardless of their experience level. And realistically sandboxes aren’t historically easy for a new DM, so modules are better off being more streamlined than sandbox imo.

[rough basalt]

Yep.

[fickle ocean]

sandbox is exhausting its just improv all the time and the dm is a slave

[obtuse stratus]

My CoS party got teleported to AT, talked to the ones that brought them back from the dead, had quests, were told to go immediately in a direction when they left the temple, went to the Pass instead and TPK'd

[rough basalt]

Not only do players need to know how to play in sand, a dm needs to know how to provide the tools to play in sand or use the tools they're provided to give to the players to play in sand.

[tough sandal]

Modern modules have mostly been very good about providing story beats and well-adjusted encounters.

[rough basalt]

Railroad has a negative view, but most people actually do need to be told where to go and what to do.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, I think pretty much every module from Dragonlance onward has been a success to me. At least from a design perspective.

[sudden hollow]

A few more days until my alternate dnd group plays

I cant wait to use my character that actually does stuff

[rough basalt]

If you don't, then they'll just stand there and go "well, I guess I'll go work my 9 to 5 at the docks"

[uncut zenith]

Even if I don’t care for the plot, at least the design of the module has been a success. Maybe even since Wild Beyond the Witchlight.

[rough basalt]

Icewind was the last sandbox I think

[tawdry sentinel]

That's a fair observation.

In my very narrow sample size it's all players that will turn up and do what's put in front of them, in roughly the way you'd expect, or at least with a roughly predictable outcome.

[fickle ocean]

its one thing to tell them what to do. railroading means to force them

[tough sandal]

In my Phandelver & Below Beyond campaign, which has veered VERY MUCH OFF THE BOOK (on account of LV 13), I saw a fork in the road along the Savage Frontier. They intend to go to Silverymoon.
Through roleplay, I directly ASKED MY PLAYERS which direction they wished to go, and what they would expect.
They set the long-term railroad tracks.

[uncut zenith]

That’s why I like to think of it less as “railroading” and more like “baiting” the players. As a DM, I can’t tell the players exactly what they have to do next and take away their agency, but I also have to show them the bait and wait for them to bite.

[remote wadi]

Don't Wizard's learn Life Transference?

[sudden hollow]

Fr. I had a dm quit on us because we went 6 sessions with no story progression because we didnt notice any of the hooks he tried to put and almost got tpked by a lvl 20 fighter we werent supposed to fight after he stabbed a party member

[rough basalt]

Yeah i often find myself accidentally feeling like I'm ordering the party cause I'm not used to players knowing how to engage in a sandbox.

[uncut zenith]

That said, it’s also the players’ responsibility to acknowledge that they’re playing a campaign and they should conceivably want to stay on track with the campaign. Regardless of “what their characters would do”.

[rough basalt]

Like what do you mean my Fighter actually talks to npcs and gets involved in what happens?

Last time I tried a sandbox was ToA and none of those people would lift a finger to do anything provided for them.

[rugged hawk]

Tell em it's Skyrim on paper

[sudden hollow]

Mine doesnt 🤣

[fickle ocean]

i give time limits to do the main quest. 'this needs to be done within 3 days or the sky will literally fall' ts. then they can either do it immediately or shortly. that way im not roleplaying people going on dates, eating a sandwich, and taking a dump when they have no limits on anything they do

[uncut zenith]

Like if I’m running Shadow of the Dragon Queen, I would expect that my players would want to engage with the adventure module and not just stomp around the world for the heck of it.

[sudden hollow]

I have like 8k hours in skyrim and I have never made it more than halfway through the story

[obtuse stratus]

Hey Vin.

[rough basalt]

Yeah part of the player's side of the agreement is actually engaging with the adventure

You can't do Strahd if you refuse to go to barovia

[karmic mountain]

I think something more important than sandbox vs railroad is the fact that the party needs to feel like a group with a purpose...if you don't have that, a group can fall apart or "wander" in all sorts of ways. It's on the DM to provide some form of purpose and mission to the group...because players are notoriously chaotic if they don't have some form of framework for even being a group.

[uncut zenith]

Yep. And can’t do Icewind Dale if the first thing the party does is start heading south.

[rugged hawk]

Rather than hard, known time limits, I'm a fan of Crap Increasingly Hitting Fan until they either notice something's horribly wrong and begin investigating, or the BBEG accomplishes their goal, at which point, Everything Goes South.

[sudden hollow]

Im playing cos this weekend! Im psyched cause I found out im the most vital party member atm🤣

[tawdry sentinel]

I do like it when people will just do things, modifiers be damned.

[pure spoke]

Really glad I asked here. Appreciate you all!

[sudden hollow]

Aparently im the only one who can deal radiant damage

[obtuse stratus]

Pally, cleric?

[rough basalt]

"Ah man I'm so excited for this adventure I've heard good things!"
Other player: "my pc doesn't like the cold he goes back to waterdeep"

[rugged hawk]

Letting them fail (or end up in a really, really stacked situation against them) teaches time management and investigation of local troubles

[severe fox]

why does that matter?

[fickle ocean]

my bbeg sends people to do it for him instead. he still hasnt been revealed and we are 15 sessions in

[sudden hollow]

Hinders enemy regeneration

[rough basalt]

Undead heavy

[rugged hawk]

You clearly need some stronger messages With consequences, preferably.

[obtuse stratus]

Generally undead are light. hehehhe

[severe fox]

not a lot of undead have regen...

theres also the daylight spell in 2024

[obtuse stratus]

Dont they have weakness to rad?

[severe fox]

nope

still wondering where that comes from

[obtuse stratus]

Positive/Negative energy 3.5

[severe fox]

ah

that was when healing could harm undead no?

[fickle ocean]

him not being reachable yet proves that things can always get worse

[sudden hollow]

We dont play 5.5e

[rough basalt]

Some Undead enemies have radiant vulnerability or some feature that radiant helps with

Like Shadows, Vampires

Zombies

[sudden hollow]

Its curse of strahd... vampires

[severe fox]

whos gonna tell em

[rugged hawk]

Good. Kill them now. Then offer them a way back with Dark Bargains: Hand of Death!

[obtuse stratus]

Nope, not even 1. -no spoilers-

[sudden hollow]

We just fought one lol

I not only shut down its regen, but doubled our fighters crit

[vale seal]

Just got physical Tasha and Xanathar's for €40 in a bundle

[obtuse stratus]

Nice, wish I woulda got that when I sold all my 5e stuff

[sudden hollow]

WHY WOULD YOU SELL YOUR 5E STUFF?

[fickle ocean]

edgy

[sudden hollow]

That still doesnt answer why youd sell it

[eager marsh]

this was after the OGL leak incident where they tried to force any and all D&D content creators to basically forfeit rights and some other stuff

[obtuse stratus]

Which was bad enough.

[sudden hollow]

Never heard of that

[obtuse stratus]

I do, however, collect BECMI, 1e, and 2e stuff

[fickle ocean]

of course you do

[rough basalt]

Yep.
They tried to monetize third party content like they owned it.

[sudden hollow]

Ah I dont use 3rd party so thats prolly why I never heard of it

[rough basalt]

It cost them a lot of old fans, lot of money, and it made the DnD Honor Among Thieves movie not do well at the box office cause the dnd fans who would've went to see it alongside normal people boycotted it

[sudden hollow]

Thats why it didnt do well?!

I thought it was an amazing movie

[fickle ocean]

if it werent for dnd beyond i wouldnt have any reason to support wotc

and they didnt even create it

[rough basalt]

I forgot to add further context so I edited it

[sudden hollow]

I use dnd beyond, and play mtg

[rough basalt]

It was boycotted by dnd fans due to the OGL shenanigans

So majority of people who heard of dnd through stranger things and passing went to see it rather than the huge fanbase that was excited to see it alongside them.

[obtuse stratus]

The Agents were over MtG cards

[severe fox]

my head hurts

[sudden hollow]

Damn i say it day one, didnt know anything about the ogl shenanigans

[severe fox]

trying to read the 24 rules

[sudden hollow]

Saw*

[sudden hollow]

Don't do that to yourself

Its not worth it

[rough basalt]

It is worth it.

The rules are much easier to read too.

[sudden hollow]

They nerfed the fun stuff

[marble lion]

i prefer 14 a lot

[sudden hollow]

Wild magic feels so... safe now

[lyric viper]

'24 improves a lot honestly. Puts a lot of the updates across '14 into one place.

[rough basalt]

They nerfed the stuff that was a result of their mistakes.

[marble lion]

not all of it was mistakes

[sudden hollow]

Summoning got nerfed to hell and back

[lyric viper]

And Honor Among Thieves is a great movie.

[rough basalt]

Cause it wasn't healthy for the game.

[rugged hawk]

24 nerfed muh subclasses, now they're at level 3

[sudden hollow]

Summoners are now area denial casters

[fickle ocean]

the game is like 50 years old it has to be changed every once in awhile

[rough basalt]

Just like the multiclass 1 level dip spamming that they changed subclasses to 3 for

[sudden hollow]

Its thorn growth but colorful

[rough basalt]

But they gave you a new super saiyan mode and your old capstone at level 5 and better

[fickle ocean]

in some ways its like phantom menace. where everyone who didnt know about star wars already thought it was cool and had fun with it but all the purists thought it was a slopfest

[rugged hawk]

Bah. I still run '14 Sorc + Lock

[rough basalt]

Only a fraction of the power of '24 sorlock

[rugged hawk]

No, not Sorc + Lock, a sorc char and a warlock char

[sudden hollow]

5.5e is just kinda sad now. My groups all agree we will be sticking to 5e

[rough basalt]

How's it sad?

[woven flint]

Totally sad, sure, making the game more balanced and overall buffing everything?

[lyric viper]

Is this about the movie or the '24 rules?
Because I think the movie hit well with fans and new comers. My mum loved it, and my group watched it together and really enjoyed it even if we could do the nerdy 'Well ackshully' comments

[woven flint]

Making martials feel better to play?

[rough basalt]

Only problem with it was not doing well at the box office so we won't get Honor Among Peak 2

[sudden hollow]

The rule changes. Most summons spells now summon an aoe spell effect not a creature, wild magic got the wild removed, grappling is effectively useless now that its a chosen dc check,

[rough basalt]

It's such a fun movie.

[sudden hollow]

I have a full list at home somewhere but those are a few of the issues we came across

[woven flint]

Grappling is better though?
It can also burn legendary resistances now

[rough basalt]

Grappling is definitely not useless. Rules were better clarified for healthier games. Mass summons were bad for the games health due to people dragging games with them, wild magic is still wild its just not majority useless effects and occasional killing yourself and your party.

[uncut zenith]

It’s worth remembering that the 2024 ruleset was updated in response to community surveys and a decades’ worth of input. You’re entitled to stick to the 2014 5E ruleset if you’d like, but the vast majority of the changes in 2024 (be they nerfs or buffs) were in response to a lot of input about what the community as a whole wanted to see.

[sudden hollow]

So not wild

[rough basalt]

Idk if I'm casting a magic missile and suddenly a fireball shoots out that's pretty wild.

[sudden hollow]

And the whole point of summoners is for bigger battles. Or we use them as distractions so we can sneak around with advantage while the summons execute their orders

[uncut zenith]

To me personally, the 2024 update is a net positive, even if I don’t love all the changes that were made.

[sudden hollow]

I think the only change i like is ritual casting being more widely availible

Which i already let my players do

[rough basalt]

Yeah the old rules were just filled with bad and mistakes so I was glad they fixed it.

[sudden hollow]

I didnt have any big issues with the old rules

[woven flint]

So like...
You don't like weapon masteries and martial buffs at all?

[rough basalt]

Games been a lot more fun to run now that the rules are clear so I don't constantly have people going "so I can do this because this rule says that and I technically can now do this"

[sudden hollow]

Meh. Seems odd a common weapon is basically legendary now if you've mastered it

[obtuse stratus]

I do not miss that

[sudden hollow]

The weapon effects get busted as all heck

[rugged hawk]

Well, sure. If they sold us perfect rules, they wouldn't be able to sell more later.

[woven flint]

What?

[uncut zenith]

The other good thing is that the rulesets are flexible enough that a lot of things can be interchangeable between the two of them. So if you’re playing a primarily 2024 campaign but like some of the 2014 spells better, it’s not gonna break the game to use those 2014 spells you like instead of their 2024 counterparts.

[rough basalt]

The weapon effects are very balanced.

They were base powers in 4th edition cause they're fine as starting level abilities.

[woven flint]

I don't think ANY of the weapon effects are broken at all

Besides maybe Vex and Nick, I guess?

[halcyon bison]

nick is pretty nice

[sudden hollow]

I was about to point that one out

[rough basalt]

Sap is basically just a placebo after a certain point.

[sudden hollow]

Vex not nick

[rough basalt]

Nick just makes duel wield comparable to other martial options

[tawdry sentinel]

I dislike vex.

And making a save every 4 seconds for topple

[woven flint]

So, Vex is the singular one you had to point out, then?

[rough basalt]

I love vex and love making topple saves

Martials should have basic abilities that let them manipulate the battle better.

[woven flint]

I'm not trying to sound condescending by the way, but saying weapon masteries are broken kinda makes me mind blank lol

[sudden hollow]

No it is just a big one.

[rough basalt]

It's literally just advantage on one attack if you hit first

[sudden hollow]

Topple let's you stunlock easily, push can just.. instakill

[blissful ibex]

Manoeuvres should just be standard for all martial classes

[rough basalt]

Topple is not a stun effect? What

[halcyon bison]

theres like 20 ways to push people in 2014 too

[rough basalt]

Push is only an instakill if there's a cliff nearby how is that broken?

Also yeah everyone can shove

Thunderwave

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, I don’t think any of the Weapon Masteries are broken. Some may seem broken, but more often than not that’s due to how it interacts in a specific character build. No different than how certain Metamagic or Eldritch Invocation options may feel broken on specific Sorcerer or Warlock builds respectively.

[sudden hollow]

You mean infinite advantage?

[eager marsh]

Push being an instakill is almost never. Cliffs almost never come up

[woven flint]

Both are incredibly situational

But.. you can also attack and cast spells and do everything but move while prone? Lol

[halcyon bison]

also, seriously, how often are you people fighting on cliffsides??????

[rough basalt]

It doesn't stack

[sudden hollow]

Well that helps but it sure as heck doesn't say it cant stack on its rule section

[halcyon bison]

Ive fought on a cliffside maybe twice in my D&D career? And both times our party had our backs to it and the enemies in front

[blissful ibex]

Same, though only once

[sudden hollow]

... we have fought on a cliff like..8 times this campaign alone

[rough basalt]

Oh you can vex chain.
Not an issue tho

[sudden hollow]

In my carreer? Probably 120 odd times

[rugged hawk]

Didn't you get the memo? Summon Stone Tower, now all your fights can be epic skirmishes atop the battlements, complete with defenestrations and all!

[woven flint]

Okay, That's A campaign though, not every campaign

[sudden hollow]

Not counting boats, towers, castle walls, ect

[rough basalt]

There's many ways to get advantage

[uncut zenith]

Advantage on an attack is great, but it’s not a gamebreaker

[rough basalt]

Like Shining Smite on Paladin makes all attacks on the target have Advantage until they drop concentration

[blissful ibex]

I've done a lot of forests, open fields, buildings, caves, crypts, etc.

[halcyon bison]

thats pretty neat
but also thunderwave, telekinesis, the crusher feat, and plain old grappling can all get people off cliffs

[sudden hollow]

Isn't that 1. Concentration, and 2 a spelll slot?

[uncut zenith]

Plus, it makes the people complaining about how subpar martials happy

[sudden hollow]

So. Spell slot? An entire feat?

[rough basalt]

True, but at the higher levels where Vex chaining would be effective, paladins have slots to spare

[tawdry sentinel]

You do just chain them together though.

It's a specific problem in my current campaign because the one guy is using a third party class that gets quite a hefty to hit modifier so he basically hits 95% of the time with vex.

Which ultimately is fine, but does mean he over shadows the other martial.

Correcting that with magic items in the near future.

[sudden hollow]

Thats if you get to play higher levels

[woven flint]

Grappling, not Grappler

[halcyon bison]

seems like a pretty good deal for an instakill tbh

[blissful ibex]

Sorcerer can just do it for free twice per LR for 10 turns each with Innate Sorcery + True Strike

[rough basalt]

Only Fighters can really vex chain to ridiculous levels and also its weapon dependent

[uncut zenith]

The game is designed assuming you’ll get to higher levels, even if it doesn’t happen all the time

[blissful ibex]

it lasts turn to turn, any class with mastery access can if you keep hitting

[rough basalt]

To ridiculous levels.

Not to mention it's pretty easy to give PCs disadvantage in 5.5e

[halcyon bison]

Is there any shoving rules in base D&D? I think there are but I cant remember

[rugged hawk]

Speaking of towers, though, Punky made a great point the other day. What if Wizards were nomadic, attracted to tall buildings, and stuck around for a while as a court mage if a country built a nice wizard's tower? Then after a while they'd outgrow their current tower and leave to find a better one, then a new, younger wizard would take over the old tower.

[rough basalt]

Yes

[blissful ibex]

yes, i'ts part of the unarm,ed striked rules in 2024
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#UnarmedStrike

The target must succeed on a Strength or Dexterity saving throw (it chooses which), or you either push it 5 feet away or cause it to have the Prone condition. The DC for the saving throw equals 8 plus your Strength modifier and Proficiency Bonus. This shove is possible only if the target is no more than one size larger than you.

[sudden hollow]

Its a specific action and took a seperate attack roll and action, meaning you couldn't attack after unless you had action surge, since extra attack wouldnt trigger

[halcyon bison]

its in 2014 too thats what I wanted to check 👍

[hidden spindle]

Its under making an attack

[halcyon bison]

2014 player's handbook: "Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them."
so you can multiattack

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/combat#ShovingaCreature

[torpid hound]

Here's how I'd make Sorcerer/Warlock interesting
After selling his soul to Asmodeus for Warlock powers, it took John a few levels to find out he's from a bloodline of Sorcerers. He crashes out over having sold his soul for nothing

[sudden hollow]

Well thats a problem with ny past dm's then cause I was always told it was a seperate action

[grizzled lance]

why would shove be an enitrely diffrent action

[halcyon bison]

No worries I feel like thats happened to all of us at least once

[sudden hollow]

Because its a free disengage?

[grizzled lance]

no its not?

[glad arch]

Both 2014 and 2024 theres always a roll involved

Far from free, also its an action

[grizzled lance]

if you wanna disengage then just disengage

[sudden hollow]

If they are out of 5 feet or prone they cant opertunity attack

[grizzled lance]

ok but how is it free

[sudden hollow]

And if they are prone they need to take half movement to stand up

[halcyon bison]

if youve got good athletics you can sneak in a extra attack which is nice -w-

[sudden hollow]

So you are basically garunteed to escape their range

[grizzled lance]

its also stil la roll

[sudden hollow]

Sorry its better than disengage, that better?

[halcyon bison]

yeah shove is pretty nice :>
also a classic combo with grapple so they have 0 movement and therefore cant stand

[grizzled lance]

i mean swag rogue

swash rogue

thats a free disengage

[tawdry sentinel]

Disengage works on all the enemies, not just a single target.

Some enemies cannot be shoved or proned.

[halcyon bison]

like slimes.....
i hate slimes...............

[tawdry sentinel]

And I feel like you probably can opportunity attack while prone.

[grizzled lance]

that too

[sudden hollow]

It would have to be at disadvantage

[halcyon bison]

You can! Its just at disadvantage

[sudden hollow]

Cause at mose it would be a side swipe at their ankles

Most*

[uncut zenith]

Who cares? If it hits, it hits

[halcyon bison]

The image of shoving someone 5 feet and then skedaddling is pretty funny

[sudden hollow]

......that is one hail marry of an iff

[grizzled lance]

the enemys who get extra effects when hitting

[sudden hollow]

If hitting

[halcyon bison]

But now you can sweep the legs with a quarterstaff like that one teen titans scene

[tawdry sentinel]

Shove an enemy 5ft and then they have reach and opportunity attack you anyway

[uncut zenith]

It’s almost like the game is designed so that sometimes you have advantage on attacks, but sometimes you have disadvantage

[grizzled lance]

bugbears

[sudden hollow]

Also not common

[halcyon bison]

well dont do it if they have reach!!

[sudden hollow]

I... dont remember the last time I've had either

[tawdry sentinel]

It kind of is on the monster side of things.

[grizzled lance]

i can last night cause i used lucky

[sudden hollow]

I do know enemies have had disadvantage attacking me.. which was kinda unfair to them

[uncut zenith]

Well I can’t speak for the tables you’ve played at, but literally every table I’ve played in has had frequent instances of advantage and disadvantage, for both the PCs and enemies

[sudden hollow]

Oh my teammates get advantage all the time

I get my damage resisted a lot🤣

[grizzled lance]

such is life

[halcyon bison]

why would you want things to be fair to your enemies
stay far away and hit them with a lightning bolt

[grizzled lance]

i dont cause i play sorcerer a lot

2024 sorcerer is so much fun

[sudden hollow]

Because 6 attacks with advantage missed me in a row. Giving them disadvantage was a bit overkill

[blissful ibex]

One of the Monk players I play with sometimes learned that lesson yesterday XD

[rough basalt]

I have a shadow monk in my wednesday game so enemies are blind most combats

[grizzled lance]

id have to see it to believe that lol

12 rolls and not one of them was a 20

[sudden hollow]

I have a base ac of 21

[rough basalt]

ive seen something similar, its hilarious

[sudden hollow]

We see a nat 20 from the dm like. Once a session

And thats normally the one attack that hits me

[grizzled lance]

does the enemy not have a + to hit?

[rough basalt]

my bard had 30 AC and a Balor missed all his attacks on me at advantage

[sudden hollow]

Not high enough lol

[grizzled lance]

even with a +5 they still only need a 16

[sudden hollow]

Oh the enemy that missed me that many times had plus 8

Bonk doesnt get hit.

[blissful ibex]

I have either or constantly XD
we make moderate use of grapples, buffs/debuffs, and knocking things prone
It's why you want both an attack roll option and a save option for cantrips when possible as a caster c:

[sleek cloud]

I’m curious, break down that ac for us

[sudden hollow]

He also doesnt... hit

[grizzled lance]

your telling me they didnt roll a 13 once

[halcyon bison]

setting your ac to 30 f is way too cold :<
you need 60 at least

[sudden hollow]

I HATE casting save spells. I have never once had an enemy fail the save

[blissful ibex]

I do this with Hunger of Hadar if things are looking dire XD

[sudden hollow]

Nope he put 4 d20s in jail last session 🤣

[blissful ibex]

I've had decent luck with Create Bonfire

[grizzled lance]

create bonfire is too op

they should nerf it

[blissful ibex]

It's fine; it eats concentration

[sudden hollow]

I have to have our bard bane an enemy for them to fail a dc of mine

And I have a comparable dc to out casters

[rough basalt]

+1 half plate (18AC), and I was a level 15 Sword Bard and rolled max (12) on my defensive flourish which adds bardic roll to your AC

[blissful ibex]

Gives me something to concentrate on for combats where I want to conserve spellslots

[grizzled lance]

i feel like bless 9 times out of 10 bane is better

[limber trail]

Are you a 2014 monk or a 2024 monk?

[sudden hollow]

Im lvl 5

[sudden hollow]

No

[tawdry sentinel]

Bane is a good legendary resistance eater.

[sudden hollow]

At lvl 6 ill have 22 ac, if I can get half plate imm have 23

[echo meteor]

yooo they nerfed twin magic 😭

you can’t use it with any spell

just specific ones

[severe fox]

all the other ones got buffed through

[rough basalt]

you can use it on up to 9th level on those spells tho which can be nice

[blissful ibex]

yup, now you get to look at the other much better options and pick something fun c:

[echo meteor]

id argue that quicken is nerfed

[severe fox]

quickened was always like that

[rough basalt]

Like you can Twin spell 9th level Command

[severe fox]

they just finally came out and said it out right

[sudden hollow]

Then if I waste a spell slot ill have 25

[severe fox]

how is your ac so high anyway?

[sudden hollow]

But those are my only source of magic damage really so I cant afford to use it

[echo meteor]

yaa, now quicken adds restriction…

[sudden hollow]

Paladin, fighter, warforged, dex based in medium armor with a shield

[severe fox]

again it already had that restricition

[blissful ibex]

either heavy magic item abuse, he's counting shield spell, or he's calcing wrong

[rough basalt]

you always had restriction with quicken

[sleek cloud]

Incredibly spicy. Nice

[echo meteor]

it didn’t

[hidden spindle]

Twinned is still peak

[rough basalt]

One thing you can do now is quicken a spell then use an item to cast another spell as an action

[sudden hollow]

My only magic item is a hat of disguise and I cant cast shield

[sleek cloud]

Didn’t twinned get somewhat nerfed

[limber trail]

Just so you know, a lot of your monk abilities don’t work if you’re wearing armour. Your speed doesn’t get the increases, and your unarmed strikes don’t use Dex, don’t get damage dice, and you can’t make them as bonus actions.

[severe fox]

what did it say before?

[sudden hollow]

Im not a monk

[undone rain]

Can i technically make a plasmoid just be walking piece of water

[sudden hollow]

Well, this character we are discussing isnt lol

Most my characters are

[severe fox]

how is your ac 21!

[hidden spindle]

It would still have to be a Cantrip you're casting after Quicken

[rough basalt]

in '14 yeah

[echo meteor]

quicken didn’t have that restriction… it was just a general rule that if you cast a slotted spell as a bonus action… you can’t cast a slotted spell as an action…

meaning it used to hurt spiritual weapon/healing word the same way..

NOW, it’s simply 1 slotted spell per turn.

[sudden hollow]

Paliden defense style, fighter defense style, warforged racial bonus, medium armor with +2 from dex

[echo meteor]

quicken adds a restriction if you use it

[rough basalt]

new spell rules is one spell slot a turn

[sudden hollow]

About to be +3

[severe fox]

i dont think fighting styles stack?

i wouldnt know through

[hidden spindle]

Quickened in '24 as well

[rough basalt]

so if you have a staff of cold for example, you can quicken cone of cold using a slot then use cone of cold from the staff cause it doesnt use a slot

[blissful ibex]

can't benefit from the same fighting style twice

[sudden hollow]

The dm and dnd beyond allowed it, since its two seperate class actions that dont have a cliffnote

[blissful ibex]

beyond actively allows things that are against RAW; do not use it as a guideline for what is or is not legal

[idle oar]

D&DBeyond is not always perfect, nor any DM

[rough basalt]

Ah wait i see now Quicken doesnt let you use items like you would ordinarily

[echo meteor]

you can’t, quicken specifically says you can’t

[sudden hollow]

Thats kinda what we use to decide if we dont know off the top of our heads😅

[rough basalt]

I missed that bit

[tawdry sentinel]

Dex will be capped at +2 unless you have magic armour.

[sudden hollow]

Nope

[rough basalt]

seems reasonable tho

[sudden hollow]

Medium armor master

[echo meteor]

quicken and twinned got nerfed lol

[hidden spindle]

Twinned still peak

[rough basalt]

cause with the new spell rules you could be dropping like two high level spells a round with high level staves

[sudden hollow]

I will also lose my disadvantage on stealth checks

[limber trail]

They’re feats in 2024 so I always interpreted that to mean that you can take them as a feat, like how you can take origin feats

[severe fox]

not if your a tielfing

[echo meteor]

its not though, any wizard can just do what you would with twin by spending a higher spell slot

[severe fox]

that still doesnt mean they stack through

[rough basalt]

You can upcast without a slot thats what makes it good

[hidden spindle]

The benefit of Twinned, is using a stronger version early

[limber trail]

Oh stacking like that yeah no

[rough basalt]

also 2024 sorcs get the ability to restore their sorc points on short rests at level 5 instead of 20 like before

[blissful ibex]

5.5e Medium armor master lets it be +3

[sleek cloud]

Imagine taking medium armor master

[echo meteor]

sure, but is that really that much better than having a smaller spell selection than wizards?

[severe fox]

they got there cap stone at level 5 now

[rough basalt]

Their spell selection is not that smaller now

[severe fox]

that too

[sleek cloud]

Sorcerers are in a good spot

[hidden spindle]

It is. Because its better in actual play

[sudden hollow]

So does 2014

[rough basalt]

Also innate sorcery makes them the best at attack roll spells so they can upcast scorching ray and just machine gun down enemies

[blissful ibex]

some people like to overinvest in AC and then get obliterated by saves
let them have their fun

[echo meteor]

theres some awesome wizard only spells though 😭

[sudden hollow]

Thats the fun part... I have good saves

[rough basalt]

And theres some nice spells wizard doesnt get

[sudden hollow]

Except intelligence

[severe fox]

sorcerer burst

[sudden hollow]

But my charisma, wisdom, dex, and strength are good

[echo meteor]

sorcerer has spells wizards can’t get??

[blissful ibex]

Synaptic Static for everyone XD

[sudden hollow]

And I can buff con and strength

[feral fulcrum]

To be fair, there's not much to buff saves. While AC Increases are much more available and common.

[sleek cloud]

Sorcerous burst is quite possibly my new favorite cantrip.

[rough basalt]

Sorcerous Burst cantrip, Firestorm iirc, theres a few others

[severe fox]

duh every class has spells another class cant get

like how only warlock has eldritch blast now in 2024

[sudden hollow]

I actually can buff my saves😅

[blissful ibex]

Would likely take Resiliant over Medium Armor Master if I was worried about defenses

[severe fox]

i mean paladin can just add there chirsma to there saves later on

[sudden hollow]

What level?

[blissful ibex]

Any caster class in 5.5e can take it via Eldritch Adept for Pact of the Tome and taking it as one of your tome cantrips

[severe fox]

6

[hidden spindle]

Tbf, '14 MAM was way better

[severe fox]

i meant strictly 2024

[obtuse stratus]

God I love that ability. Goes so hard.

[echo meteor]

yoo the sorcerous burst sounds like a GREAT magic initiate target

[severe fox]

if you added 2014 you could take old magic init and just pick warlock

[hidden spindle]

Too bad it isn't eligible

[sudden hollow]

I will never get that lol

[blissful ibex]

Most tables I run at just run recency; If it's not been reprinted then it's still legal to use

[echo meteor]

y not?

[feral fulcrum]

Every Class has unique spells not on others spell lists

[hidden spindle]

'24 Magic Initiate: Cleric, Druid, Wizard Class Spell list

[severe fox]

magic in is stuck to wizard druid one other class i forgot

[blissful ibex]

Sorcerous Burst and True Strike are nice for it

[severe fox]

yeah cleric

[echo meteor]

ahh rip

[blissful ibex]

with recency you can't as it was reprinted
Hence needing EA

[rough basalt]

They reduced it since Magic Initiate is a background item now.
No getting the absolute best cantrips on other classes for free

[sudden hollow]

My paladin levels will end at 4 otherwise ill miss out on a feat

[echo meteor]

they changed magic initiate

[severe fox]

its cause its an orgin feat

[blissful ibex]

Oop, misread that as Innate Sorcery

[echo meteor]

no eldritch blast 😭

[severe fox]

innate sorcerery is way too good

[tawdry sentinel]

It is a madness to switch out of paladin without getting the aura 😅

That is like, far and away their best thing.

[feral fulcrum]

I still prefer other cantrips to Eldritch Blast.

[blissful ibex]

can get Starry Wisp off of MI:Druid, also goodberry and Shillelagh

[feral fulcrum]

Thorn Whip just tickles something in my brain far more then EB does

[echo meteor]

sorcerous blast looks better lol

[sudden hollow]

We are only going to level 10. So I will be 4 levels paladin, 6 levels fighter

[severe fox]

shillelagh is alright but i prefer true strike

[cobalt junco]

Hi everyone!

[blissful ibex]

pick of 7 damage types, 120 ft range, and exploding dice is rather nice

[halcyon bison]

I like shillelagh cuz it means i can bonk people on the head with a stick

[severe fox]

true strike allows you to attack with your spell casting and do Radiant damage

[hidden spindle]

Shillelagh Club or Shillelagh Quarterstaff?

[echo meteor]

im mostly looking at adding spellcasting mod

[blissful ibex]

it's fun when you can manage both
but yeah, truestrike is the better of the two if you don't have extra attack

[halcyon bison]

yeah but its not as funny
Also you can't multiattack with it and druids dont get it

[sudden hollow]

I wont get multiattack till... lvl 8 or 9

[severe fox]

just magic into it with wizard i think

[sudden hollow]

Not that it matters cause it wont do much for me

[rough basalt]

EK, Bladesinger, or Valor Bard could

[blissful ibex]

you can used ranged with it though; and you and gish multi with it on basically every gish ssubclass class

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, they changed it because Sorcerer and Warlock already have their own unique feats (Metamagic Adept and Eldritch Adept respectively). So instead of designing three unique feats for Wizard, Cleric, and Druid, they just changed Magic Initiate to only apply to those three classes.

[blissful ibex]

Valor Bard
Eldritch Knight
Bladesinger
Mystic Warrior UA

[rough basalt]

Since Shalaladingding is a weapon buff rather than an attack cantrip

[halcyon bison]

I just think shillelagh is neat

[severe fox]

meta adept is so much fun mainly when you get subtle for rp

[sudden hollow]

My character is only built for one good hit a turn.

[halcyon bison]

you can also stack it with booming or green flame blade which when combined is slightly better than true strike at the cost of a bonus action investment

[echo meteor]

lol yoo, true strike falls off cause it’s only d6…
firebolt is better at level 11

[blissful ibex]

the real fun thing is doing the light weapon stack with a Shillelaghed club and a nick weapon in your offhand <3

[hidden spindle]

Shillelagh Polearm Master

[echo meteor]

because you get 3d10s

[severe fox]

it also does the weapon damage on top of the 1d6's

[halcyon bison]

Im using a quarterstaff with polearm master :3

[sudden hollow]

I will no longer be using action surge for attacks

[severe fox]

so if your using a maul for whatever reason it can be 3d6

[uncut zenith]

Radiant isn’t as easily resisted as fire damage though. So yeah True Strike uses D6, but Fire Bolt deals a higher die value of the most resisted damage type in the game that isn’t BPS.

[severe fox]

that too

[tranquil temple]

Does anyone have any ideas for an interesting and unique monster to fight for a quest?

[echo meteor]

yaa, 1d8 + 2d6 + 5 vs 3d10 what has higher average??

[sudden hollow]

My smites do force damage now lol

[severe fox]

fire is also common resisted

[severe fox]

why would you want that?

[sudden hollow]

Fits my character better

Also, resisted less to my knowledge

[obtuse stratus]

whats wrong with force damage?

[severe fox]

but we just went over how radiant can disable vampire healing..

force cant

[halcyon bison]

how often do you fight vampires

[sudden hollow]

Different campaign lol

[severe fox]

oh

[sudden hollow]

My paladin isnt in strahd thats my cleric

[uncut zenith]

Force damage is probably the best damage type you can deal in the game. Almost nothing is vulnerable to it, but almost nothing is resistant to it either. So it’s ultimately more reliable than any other damage type.

[halcyon bison]

oh in strahd thats fair

[severe fox]

unless your fighting that one evil creautre

[obtuse stratus]

Depends on who set up the random encounter table 🙂

[sudden hollow]

I will be a guiding bolt spammed in strahd lol

[severe fox]

larry

helm horror i mean

[sudden hollow]

Spammer*

Oh and grave domain sooo

[echo meteor]

well… toll the dead + firebolt covers most enemies i think

[sudden hollow]

I marked the vampire and the fighter critted it for 40 damage

[echo meteor]

def not a flameskull

[severe fox]

toll needs a wisdom save which is super pretty high

[sudden hollow]

I doubled his doubled damage

[halcyon bison]

apparently the 2024 version isnt immune to foce anymore

[uncut zenith]

This is also one of two reasons why EB is the best damage cantrip in the game. It’s the highest die value (save for Toll the Dead on a damaged target), and it’s a damage type that is generally not resisted.

[echo meteor]

what i don’t like about truestrike is that my wizard will lose his bladesong if he uses it with a crossbow

[severe fox]

huh it isnt

[echo meteor]

so i just throw a firebolt

[severe fox]

its immune to necrotic and posion still through

[sudden hollow]

My paladin bonk, can deal a hit that is 1d8+1+1d6 bludgeoning +2d6 fire+2d8 force+ a dc13 strength check against being restrained

He can do it twice per long rest if there is a short rest between

[halcyon bison]

What i dont like about true strike is that it kinda feels like its stealing martial's thing
but at the same time its pretty cool so its okay I guess

[severe fox]

nothing in the 24 rules is immune to force damage

[sudden hollow]

Paladin/fighter

[severe fox]

cool

[echo meteor]

bladesinger > stab > true strike

[severe fox]

i still think paladin in 24 is slightly better due to being able to divine smite at range

[echo meteor]

though it’s usually stab > booming blade

[sudden hollow]

I will say... that part of bonk i do hate. I am pure melee, i have no ranged abilities at all

[obtuse stratus]

I kinda thought that was part of the gimmick, though. Like in 3.5 it was super rare and I don't think 5e had any either

[severe fox]

5e had the helmmed horror

[sleek cloud]

Do you mean just with thrown weapons?

[halcyon bison]

You can? How??

[severe fox]

and the Dragon

thrown weapons

[halcyon bison]

Oh i see

[obtuse stratus]

I mean that still puts it at the bottom of the list for numbers of things that resist it.

[halcyon bison]

That's less cool than FEEL THE WRATH OF MY DIVINE SHOTGUN

[severe fox]

Amethyst Greatwyrm was the only other official thing immune to force

[sudden hollow]

Downside of my paladin fighter... we fought a chain devil.. and i did half damage for all but 1 attack

[severe fox]

chain devils can be brutal against spell casters

[sudden hollow]

Im not a caster tho lol

[halcyon bison]

Speaking of which
Character idea, pact of blade warlock with a shotgun and eldritch smite :>

[sudden hollow]

Our casters had to do all the damage

[obtuse stratus]

Okay guys, I have to leave this server. Bye everybody.

[severe fox]

doubt it would work

[halcyon bison]

Byee! dont die!

[severe fox]

unless your dm allowed you to make a shotgun with pact of the blade

[halcyon bison]

why?

[sudden hollow]

It should

[halcyon bison]

you just need a magic one

[severe fox]

its limited to a long bow at most

[sudden hollow]

Why?

[obtuse stratus]

Bye meowmeow, Sora, Vin, Meabhy, and everyone else.

[halcyon bison]

If you want you can enchant one yourself

[sudden hollow]

I need a magic weapon. Im the only party member without one rn

[echo meteor]

they got rid of needing silver/magic weapon in 2024

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/5194941-chain-devil

[severe fox]

where are you gonna find a magic shotgun

[echo meteor]

artificer

[sudden hollow]

Thats nice, I dont deal magic damage in general tho, so does it not need to be magical anymore either?

[severe fox]

not every dm/party just has an artifcier laying around

[severe fox]

magical damaeg doesnt exist in 2024

[halcyon bison]

You could just flavor a pistol as a shotgun

[echo meteor]

2024 got rid of silver/magic damage requirement

[sudden hollow]

Ew

[halcyon bison]

Shotguns are suprisingly percise in real life

[severe fox]

i feel like a shotgun would do more damage then a pistol

since dnd has its own shotguns already

[echo meteor]

werewolves are no longer special

[severe fox]

theres also the issue of ammo

[sudden hollow]

Artificer

[echo meteor]

most ppl hand wave ammo

[sudden hollow]

Repeating shot

[severe fox]

artificer cant make ammo out of thin air

[sudden hollow]

Repeating shot

It removes ammo requirement entirely

They literally do make ammo out of thin air

[severe fox]

for a weapon that does 2d8+ dex or chrisma i doubt you would "hand wave"

[halcyon bison]

I would think a pistol would do more damage than pike but what can you do
Flavor is free
(granted all weapons are pretty scary, just not all of their damage dice are realistic in dnd)

[severe fox]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/48-shotgun?msockid=09b26f45dfbf635a0f2a7845de126274

[echo meteor]

true, guns are special world thing

[severe fox]

basic dnd guns are very unbalanced

unless its the musket pistol or flintknock

[sudden hollow]

Heck an artificer giving it repeating shot also makes it count as magical

[echo meteor]

can’t artificers use guns without ammunition

[tawdry sentinel]

Less stuff has the resistance overall in 2024, but the stuff that does doesn't care what your weapon is, if you're doing slashing/bludgeoning/ piercing etc it is resistant.

[sudden hollow]

No ammo, magical, ....doom slayer tims

[lavish flame]

Why do Ropers have a climb speed

[sudden hollow]

So id still be bored then

Boned*

[echo meteor]

cause they climb to the ceiling and drop on top of players

[severe fox]

it is magical but not for the purpose of overcoming reistance or immuntity

[lavish flame]

thats Darkmantles or Piercers in my mind

[tawdry sentinel]

That's a piercer. Roper brings the player to them.

[obtuse stratus]

To climb, lol. Bye Gwyn, was a pleasure to talk to you.

[echo meteor]

roper is an adult form of piercer

[severe fox]

no?

where did you get that?

[echo meteor]

yes, piercer is larvae form of ropers

[severe fox]

i was talking about artifcers being able to use fire arms without ammo

[echo meteor]

ohh opps

[sudden hollow]

Item: A simple or martial weapon with the ammunition property (requires attunement)

"This magic weapon grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it when it’s used to make a ranged attack, and it ignores the loading property if it has it.

If the weapon lacks ammunition, it produces its own, automatically creating one piece of magic ammunition when the wielder makes a ranged attack with it. The ammunition created by the weapon vanishes the instant after it hits or misses a target." Its a magic weapon, so why wouldnt it?

[severe fox]

yeah it has a +1 but it still doesnt automaticlly mean it overcomes resistance and immunity to non magical damage

[tall forge]

It does, unless it says otherwise

[sudden hollow]

Its magical famage...so it does

[tall forge]

+1 means the weapon is magical

[sudden hollow]

That is the whole point of it. Being a magic weapon🤣

[tall forge]

Its been enchanted

If it has any magic effects, even “this sword glows randomly” in its stat block, it technically is magic

[sudden hollow]

IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THIS MAGIC WEAPON

[stoic haven]

Nah, I think a Pike would do more damage if it was able to hit, but pistols are just more convenient and dont put you at risk

[halcyon bison]

hmm maybe
damage is pretty subjective

[severe fox]

being able to do 2 rapiers worth of damage doesnt sound fun D:

[sudden hollow]

Martial classes regularly doing 2+ rapier attacks a turn

[tall forge]

A sword that would say “this sword will magically change color daily” overcomes resistances

[sudden hollow]

Or better yet 2+ greatsowrd attacks per turn🤣

[severe fox]

thats on top of whatever else you want to add like fighter being able to get a +2 to all ranged attack rolls

[sudden hollow]

Or the lvl 1 spell shatter hitting an aoe for 3 rapier attacks of damage

[severe fox]

2d8+ whtever

[stoic haven]

Fair, I think a smaller bullet would leave a smaller wound to be fixed and stays in the wound. A pike would have a head that pierces and returning it to making it bleed more

[sudden hollow]

Doing 2 rappers worth of damage is lowballing your damage output a bit

[severe fox]

its 2d8

[sudden hollow]

Rapiers. My phone hates that word

[sudden hollow]

Yeah.. which isnt hard for most players.. thats pretty standard actually

[severe fox]

im just saying the damge of pretty modren fire arm in dnd 5e

[severe fox]

4d8+10 for a fighter...

[sudden hollow]

My character hits for 1d8+1d6 every turn, and im the lowest damage output

[obtuse stratus]

Bye Hermes, I'm leavin the server. Stay level 🙂

[severe fox]

at level 5

[stoic haven]

Also, since they are 2 different attacks, the rapiers would do + dex twice (once for each attack)

[tall forge]

Me with the 8d10+8d6 eldritch blasts 😎

[rugged hawk]

How dare you abandon me /s

[sudden hollow]

Im at lvl 5😅 just multied

[stoic haven]

Oh, ok, cya

[severe fox]

thats assuming each of them hit

[prime pewter]

Rebuilding my class ambiguous dragonborn into a Valor Bardlock

(24)

[tall forge]

Me with elven accuracy and flanking rules 😎

Or like the 30 ways to get advantage

[severe fox]

wouldnt it be even unless you have spell sniper?

[obtuse stratus]

Oh I was hoping to see you. Bye Vin, I'll miss you mostiest

[sudden hollow]

Eldritch blast regularly has 7 or higher as a to hit bonus lol

[tall forge]

Spell sniper, crossbow expert, close quarters shootsr

There are so many ways to not have disadvantage

[severe fox]

cross bow expert doesnt do that anymore

[tall forge]

🤷‍♂️ i play 2014 still

[sudden hollow]

Same lol

[severe fox]

ah

2024 monsters are a cake walk imo

[tall forge]

2024 lich is calling

They wanna know your address

[sudden hollow]

Bonk needs magic damage but I dont wanna beg my dm for a magic rapier

[severe fox]

i meant 2014 monsters are a cake walk

2024 made monsters a real threat

[tall forge]

Compared to 2024 sure

But end of the day, its how the dm runs a combat that makes it threatening

[obtuse stratus]

Dun doubt, lol. I legit loved the frenimyship and tried to DM you once 😛

[sudden hollow]

I make my 2014 monsters lethal

[severe fox]

lich being made out of tin foil in 2014

[cyan jolt]

Out of interest - Do we have a channel where we can talk about book releases which also included partnered content?

[sudden hollow]

I tpked a party with 12 goblins... the players were level 15

[tall forge]

Make a 2014 monster actually smart, and youre players are gonna get murdered

[rugged hawk]

o. i keep dms off to public cuz bots n stuff

[idle oar]

We have #third-party for third-party publications, tools, and services

[cyan jolt]

Amazing thanks x3

[severe fox]

your telling me that a party with acess to Incendiary Cloud lost to 12 goblins?

[sudden hollow]

Yup

I have no clue what that spell is but yeah they lost

[tall forge]

Nothings scarier than an intelligent monster

[severe fox]

earth quake

polymorph?

dark star clone?!

[sudden hollow]

The fighter fell in a spike pit, the barbarian had 2 trees dropped on his head, then the goblins got a suprise round lmao

[severe fox]

a barbarian by that level would have had 15d12

[sudden hollow]

The wizard died before he took his turn

[tall forge]

Goblin traps

Classic

[severe fox]

sounds like incomitance

[sudden hollow]

Yup, how much damage do you think 80 tons of wood falling on you does?

[tall forge]

My level 9 party almost died to blink dogs

[severe fox]

idk but i guess he wouldn thave been raging so a lot?

[tall forge]

The ability to teleport helps a lot

[sudden hollow]

Correct lol

[severe fox]

there arent really rules for object falling on creaure

[tall forge]

Especially when dead bodies count as objects, and can be taken with the blink dogs

[severe fox]

besides them making a dex save

[sudden hollow]

Especially since he auto failed the save to push the warlock out of the way

[severe fox]

dont think thats an offical rule but ight

[tall forge]

Most likely a worthy sacrifice

[sudden hollow]

Ehhhh

The warlock had 8 constitution his health was... subpar

[pastel willow]

Quick question to ask

[tall forge]

Technically

[severe fox]

why didnt the wizard cast shield or something

[tall forge]

It is sort of

[sudden hollow]

He did...

[severe fox]

a creautre cant willing fail a save unless

[tall forge]

Tho it woulda just given advantage

[severe fox]

its right there in both 2014 and 2024

[tall forge]

Always thought that was weird

[severe fox]

thats a weird question but no they dont

[tall forge]

Everything goes through “puberty”

[severe fox]

constructs:

oozes:

[tall forge]

Every living thing

[sudden hollow]

They absolutely can. That has to be the dumbest ruling ever. Of course someone can chose to fail a save, its called they dont avoid it

[tall forge]

Debatable

[fossil hollow]

in 2024, its a general rule that you can

[severe fox]

is it>?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[tall forge]

That’s awesome

[severe fox]

oh i know in 2014 you cant

[tall forge]

Youve somehow made it weirder

[severe fox]

i still cant believe a party of level 15s lost to goblins

[sudden hollow]

If a fireball is launched at me and I dont try to dodge or avoid the damage. I willingly fail the save

[pastel willow]

Oh my gosh I’m so sorry

[fossil hollow]

A saving throw—also called a save—represents an attempt to avoid or resist a threat. You normally make a saving throw only when a rule requires you to do so, but you can decide to fail the save without rolling. The result of a save is detailed in the effect that allowed it. If a target is forced to make a save and lacks the ability score used by it, the target automatically fails. See also “Playing the Game”
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#SavingThrow

[tall forge]

I wonder if rogue evasion can be turned off, or is it always active

[severe fox]

i doubt it somehow

[fossil hollow]

Evasion is always on

[tall forge]

Thats just funny

[fossil hollow]

doubt what?

[severe fox]

evasion being able to be turned off

[sudden hollow]

Ima be honest.. I couldn't either. But once the barb got 1 tapped and the wizard went down the players panicked and the goblins didnt. I also dont fudge dice rolls for my monsters

[tall forge]

You can infact lie on the ground, unconscious

And auto dodge a fireball for 0 damage

[sudden hollow]

Never played a rogue so idk

[severe fox]

it doesnt work while unconscious

[tall forge]

Technically

doesnt say that at all

[severe fox]

it doesnt?

[fossil hollow]

Evasion turned off when Incapped, Unconscious gives you Incap

[severe fox]

see

[paper portal]

always active

[severe fox]

it would be wild if it still worked while stunned

[tall forge]

technically i dont think it says that anywhere

[severe fox]

it says it right there

[sudden hollow]

....spidey senses

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level7RogueEvasion
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#UnconsciousCondition

You can nimbly dodge out of the way of certain dangers. When you’re subjected to an effect that allows you to make a Dexterity saving throw to take only half damage, you instead take no damage if you succeed on the saving throw and only half damage if you fail. You can’t use this feature if you have the Incapacitated condition.

[tall forge]

Oh 2024

Again, im stuck in 2014 still

[sudden hollow]

WE DONT PLAY 24

[tall forge]

It came out like, last year

[fossil hollow]

not just talking about your game

[tall forge]

Im still running my campaign

[sudden hollow]

Can we get a tag for this😭

[hollow lance]

one thing that really annoys me is that one of the most flavourful build ideas in 5e doesn't work because of a mistake in the rules

monk with double bladed scimitar, it's such a cool thematic idea but it doesn't work because martial arts weapons cant have the "special property" (which was designed to stop you from using a lance but the double bladed scimitar also has that property for its extra attack feature)

[severe fox]

2014 is too easy

[sudden hollow]

He doesnt either thats my point

[tall forge]

If its too easy, that’s cause you arent going hard enough

[fossil hollow]

Its a public server, topics and convos change

[severe fox]

i mean as a player

[tall forge]

As a dm or your dm isnt trying to murderize you

[paper portal]

what does that even mean lmao