dnd-discussion

[torpid hound]

Historically no

[marble lion]

The mace thing is really just one flavour and im not sure where it comes from

[torpid hound]

That's why Clerics have a Mace in their starting equipment

[marble lion]

And yet they use blades

[undone rain]

Well i say throw that mace and get yourself a longsword

[marble lion]

Mace is just the iconic cleric weapon

Nothing more

[torpid hound]

Proceeds to miss because no proficiency

[undone rain]

Ill play a githyanki

[torpid hound]

A what?

[severe rampart]

Lmao this reminded me of when my bard rolled a nat 20 to hit, but the creature was immune to the damage type

[undone rain]

You dont know what a githyanki is?

[marble lion]

Its funny to me that quarterstaff is versatile

[torpid hound]

I only know about Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, Orcs, Goliaths, Dragonborns and Tieflings

[marble lion]

I feel like onehanding it is kinda weird

[severe rampart]

What about your name?

[flint ledge]

"Ooh that's a perfect form throw and going right for the eye!"
squeaky noise as it hits

[torpid hound]

What

[marble lion]

Definitely doable but weird to imagine

[severe rampart]

Joke didn't land

"I only know about Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, Orcs, Goliaths, Dragonborns and Tieflings"

Suggests you do not know any other information, other than those species

[torpid hound]

Well, I'm a Human so I know about myself

[wispy vector]

Charisma 0

[marble lion]

Get em next time

[glad arch]

The infamous warlock dip staring from the corner

[undone rain]

Alr then well githyankis are also a race, kinda like frog people who really like combat and are pretty evil. They get medium armor prof, shortsword, longsword and greatsword prof as a racial trait

[wispy vector]

Actually, would Humor even scale with charisma

[marble lion]

Thats what a a changeling would say

[severe rampart]

What's funny is that thing revived itself like three times when it died, rolled a nat 20 once on their con save to revive, while split in half diagonally

[marble lion]

Delivery of a joke is charisma
The joke isnt

[torpid hound]

What? we're doing race weapon proficiency and armor training now?

[glad arch]

Theres a whole world of funky species outside the phb

[torpid hound]

Performance

[undone rain]

Dark elves get rapier profieciency

[flint ledge]

"This time we surely killed it"
The two halves horrifically still moving

[marble lion]

Been a thing for a long time now

[glad arch]

Damage resistances, free teleports, advantage on saving throws against magic, free spells. The list goes on

[torpid hound]

So Bards can still use Rapiers?

[marble lion]

Yes

And wizards can use longswords

[undone rain]

Thri kreen have four arms. Granted the 2 secondary arms can only carry light weapons and small objects

[torpid hound]

Something something Bladesinger

[severe rampart]

it was cut in half diagonally, burnt, and beaten to a pulp, and it still wasn't dead

[glad arch]

Garmadon time, im sure throwing star and nunchucks are light

[marble lion]

Something something bard subclasses that allow martial

[torpid hound]

I always come back

[severe rampart]

I was thinking of William Afton while DMing the session, yes

[undone rain]

I still dont know wether or not i can use those arms as a secondary attack with bonus action if im carrying a weapon with em

[marble lion]

Point is an elven anything can use longswords shortswords and longbows

[undone rain]

Id consider em pretty light lol

[severe rampart]

Yes... stars tend to emit light

[glad arch]

Time to collect all 4 golden weapons then

[flint ledge]

I mean well that's mostly cause of gith society, although I reckon if we get another book similar to Volo's/Mordekainen's they'll change that

[undone rain]

Reflavor a handaxe into a throwing star and a flail into nunchucks and your garmadon himself lol

[torpid hound]

"Fighters are boring"
Laughs in 8 attacks in one turn

[glad arch]

Still does less damage then a fireball

[torpid hound]

WHAT

[severe rampart]

they what

[wispy vector]

8 Attacks with a bow, elven accuracy, Piercer and guaranteed advantage (Samurai)

[glad arch]

4 attacks at idk what level then action surge

[torpid hound]

You attack 4 times, use Action Surge and attack 4 more times

[flint ledge]

The average fighter does a lot less damage than the average wizard

If we're going into optimization territory I reckon it's a whole different thing

[humble cairn]

Ehhh ... I feel like that's really only if you take into account area damage.

[severe rampart]

Oh, I see...

Conjure Minor Elementals (Quickened Metamagic), Eldritch Blast

[humble cairn]

Single target, Fighters do a heck ton of damage.

[torpid hound]

9th level Fireball: 14d6
8 Greatsword attacks: 16d6+STR*8

[glad arch]

I was mostly joking around 'martials bad' but also fireball can hit more then 1 target

[flint ledge]

Just shoot a fireball at 2 people...

[rustic ruin]

How can I play dnd without having to go in person

[glad arch]

Also upcasting 9th level fireball would be an awfull way to spend that slot lol

[pliant sapphire]

With fireball you can hit more than one enemy

[torpid hound]

Online

[severe rampart]

My party was all grouped up in a corner once, I had to restrain myself from casting fireball on them, three of them were on two tiles damn it!

[rustic ruin]

Any website suggestions?

[torpid hound]

Roll20

[flint ledge]

You could just cast meteor swarm with that for 40d6

In 4 aoe spaces mind you

[wispy vector]

9th level magic missile Evocation wizard

[mystic crystal]

Only if your casting it at Boblin the Goblin

[flint ledge]

And honestly I think meteor swarm is much more tame than a lot of other spells

[torpid hound]

No you're supposed to adopt Boblin

[wispy vector]

Do I need to be a lizard wizard for that?

[mystic crystal]

Boblin was a plant along and he’s the BBEG, he just realized it’s easier to manipulate the party from the inside.

[jovial badger]

just roundhouse kicked a goblin for 0 damage

[severe rampart]

This can't be...

[jovial badger]

feeling good

[mystic crystal]

Sorry echo it’s true

[severe rampart]

squeaky toy sound

[jovial badger]

str is my dump lol

[mystic crystal]

Can I say my catchprahse of “Roadhouse” every time I hit?

[severe rampart]

But we've suffered and sailed through the toughest of hells, now you tell me that he's our foe? 😔

[jovial badger]

hahhaah

[mystic crystal]

The writing was on the wall the whole time. (He was on android and not iPhone with the rest of the party)

[jovial badger]

squeaky wheel gets the kick

[gusty charm]

Hello

[flint ledge]

Hey hey!

[mystic crystal]

My dm once made me take damage when I hit things. I had 6 strength. It was really comical. Like a small child throwing a hissy fit and they hurt their hand when they slap the table.

[gusty charm]

How are you

[jovial badger]

oh i NEED to do this when i start dming

[flint ledge]

I am quite alright what about you

[gusty charm]

I am very good 😌

[marble lion]

Heavily recommend owlbear rodeo for a simple minimalist approach
Emulates a paper map and tokens for characters instead of automated complex virtual programs integrating character sheets and lighting or music

[hot gate]

Seconding owlbear, I think it's the best lightweight VTT out there atm

[halcyon bison]

You can also do theater of mind!!

[severe rampart]

Owlbear is very simple, low floor, high ceiling

[tawdry sentinel]

It can also do lighting and music relatively well.

There's an extension for everything!

[severe rampart]

Well... not music, you'd have to get your players to either do some techy thing to hear the sounds, or use firefox

[tawdry sentinel]

It can play music. The extension I believe is called trax.

[severe rampart]

You mean Tracks?

[tawdry sentinel]

Possibly.

It links to a url and plays from there.

[severe rampart]

Really? weird, it does not work for me, what kind of links? YT?

[hot gate]

The module wants a link to a publicly available file such as over dropbox. Youtube doesn't qualify.

[tawdry sentinel]

Vaguely from memory, any YouTube downloader and then stick it in a Dropbox.

I have stuff on there, but I mostly use kenku if I'm playing online.

[severe rampart]

Okay, I'll try it out!

Works like a charm, thanks, this'll help my games run better

[tawdry sentinel]

I guess the only real drawback I find from Owlbear is the file size limit on the free version is quite easy to fill up if you're not converting everything to webp and nicely organising it for ease of exporting data.

[severe rampart]

Agreed

but it's all I got, can't afford Foundry

[marble lion]

i havent filled it up yet

i just delete old maps when i upload new maps and i dont know how close i was to the limit

[vestal mesa]

Does anyone know a youtube channel that has good level 1 -3 combat examples to watch

[tawdry sentinel]

I wasn't terribly close until I started running DotMM and the floors are typically 4-6 maps stitched together so that added up relatively fast.

[severe rampart]

oh god I'm worried about what's gonna happen when I run the Castle Ravenloft map...

[tawdry sentinel]

And then a player kindly funded the upgrade and now I don't think about it anymore 😅

[severe rampart]

how does that work?

[rough basalt]

im assuming owlbear has paid tiers or upgrades with more storage so a player bought it for them

[tawdry sentinel]

Yeah, that

[rough basalt]

My foundry games have a bit of a running cost for the storage i need

[severe rampart]

oh my, made me realize how close I am to full storage

[rough basalt]

As well as other things

[severe rampart]

Ah, but the player owns the account?

[rough basalt]

Idk, im assuming you can gift or maybe they cashapped or something

realized on my current bs my cost of running is around 130 to 140 yearly

[severe rampart]

Holy-

Wouldn't it be more worth it to buy Foundry at that point?

[rustic ruin]

Wow this website is very clean and mobile compatible any ideas on where to get room codes?

[rough basalt]

You do buy foundry, and Im on foundry

I pay for a server hosting cause I dont wanna self host, I run two games in my homebrew world that has items, statblocks, maps ect. So I have the middle tier on forge (hosting service)

[quasi dome]

On Owlbear rodeo a “room code” is just a link you can give to someone so they can see your map

[rough basalt]

And, I've added a few patreons which are the second half of the costs roughly

[rustic ruin]

Ah so is owl bear only for private rooms?

[marble lion]

i coordinate games on discord, then use owlbear to actually play

youd have to look for games on reddit or discord or get friends to play

[woven flint]

Boo!
I awaken!

[rough basalt]

Czepeku for maps, animated assets, and sound effects

[tawdry sentinel]

The hosting side of foundry puts me off. Also the only time I've used it, it felt very video gamey.

You click here, you do this, it'll roll a dice, and then the goblin will automatically lose 6hp!

But I want to roll the dice 🙁

[marble lion]

but this goes for any way of playing tbh

[rough basalt]

I dislike playing on other VTTs

[marble lion]

roll20 and dndbeyond DO have search systems iirc but the chances of finding a compatible group through there seem no better than looking here

[severe rampart]

one thing I sort of dislike on Owlbear is the fog extension not letting players interact with the door on their own

[rough basalt]

I find them often frustrating to use

[rustic ruin]

Oh I see hopefully I can find some beginner friendly campaigns

[rough basalt]

Roll20 primarily

[marble lion]

i find all vtt frustrating cumbersome and immersion breaking except owlbear

because owlbear is just "drag token on map" and nothing else

[quasi dome]

Well, you can share the room code as widely as you want, but what would be the point of having it be public

[marble lion]

and it looks decent

[rough basalt]

I'm different

[tawdry sentinel]

Smoke and spectre has that as an option.

And then you can turn it on, and realise why you don't want players capable of opening their own doors.

[marble lion]

roll20 makes me think of an IT exam

[rough basalt]

I need visual representation or I can't focus on the game

[severe rampart]

also wouldn't 5gb of storage be more than sufficient for Curse of Strahd in owlbear?

[marble lion]

5gb sounds like plenty to me

[severe rampart]

I dislike Smoke and Spectre, I much prefer smoke, and I guess yeah, I just want the players to know that a door is a door

[rough basalt]

And the more immersive that visual representation the better for me

[crimson gulch]

yes

[severe rampart]

Thought so, every map, every token, etc

[rough basalt]

Less time spent trying to imagine how stuff looks is more time i can spend interacting with the game

[crimson gulch]

im running 5 campaiggs in owlbear rodeo right now and i have 805 MB used

[rustic ruin]

Well my idea was to play a few games before I try to be a dm so I was hoping for like an online public room queuing type deal

[rough basalt]

i have several gbs worth of stuff but nice thing about forge is they let you hold the heavy stuff on their site without using your storage

[marble lion]

#find-a-game

[crimson gulch]

ah, i have like 120GB of maps and tokens just on my pc, and i drag and drop things into owlbear as i need them

[severe rampart]

Well... you do delete the maps when you're done with them

[minor cargo]

It's not D&D of course, but Foundry works great for a game like LANCER where you're playing a mech pilot. With the right modules, you "pull the trigger" (click your ability), the 3D dice are rolled, a sound-effect plays, and an animation goes off from your token to your target (based on the weapon you used).

In this one instance, I find it adds to the overall feel of the game rather than takes away. ✌️

[marble lion]

thats what i do

[severe rampart]

if my players want to go back to the map I'll have it prepared

[rough basalt]

Whenever i update czepeku ill probably install them to Forge Bazaar so i dont gotta import from my pc

[marble lion]

i dont delete maps they could go back to

[crimson gulch]

love the Czepeki maps, i cut their resolutioon into 40%

[marble lion]

unless they literally go "hey lets backtrack to that one dungeon we did months ago" i will not have that issue and that issue lasts exactly 20 seconds until i drag and drop the map back in....

[quasi dome]

DnD isn’t really the kind of thing where you’re going to find a “public lobby” - it takes too much prep

You’re better off trying to find beginner or Adventurers League games where you live

[rough basalt]

The costs stacking up has made me consider giving into the dark urge

[crimson gulch]

That has legit never happened to me

[marble lion]

besides if there is a dungeon from months ago they are backtracking to, chances are i dropped a hint that made them. then id have the map uploaded already anyway

yeah hasnt happened to me either

[rough basalt]

But running paid games kinda terrifies me

[marble lion]

very unlikely situation and if it does happen, i imagine it was semiplanned by the DM and still exists in the website

[tawdry sentinel]

Not bothering with "smart" walls and cutting your own fog out solves a lot of faff with Owlbear.

[crimson gulch]

fog fill and reveal as needed is the way

[woven flint]

The walls are actually average Intelligence at best?!

[severe rampart]

One thing I dislike about DnD not being popular here is that our payment methods for digital things are usually not accepted, so it's a hassle trying to pay for something

[tawdry sentinel]

That's how they get you

[marble lion]

oh toki
your jokes are always so funny
im laughing
youre laughing
the wall is laughing

[rough basalt]

I shouldnt have tried Czepeku maps tbh. Cause now i dont wanna go back to making my own. Theyre too good

[woven flint]

The wall is a mimic

[crimson gulch]

I never made my own maps, there are folks that do that full time

so i can use theirs

[severe rampart]

Agreed with urizt, tried all the free map makers in DnD, didn't like it

[rough basalt]

When I got foundry I got dungeondraft

My Greyhawk game I usually spent several hours making maps for a section of the game.

[crimson gulch]

the DMG tells you that making maps takes to much time and theres plenty out there to use

[rough basalt]

Course as time went on I could do the same in half an hour.

[rough basalt]

I have a grudge against official maps which was apart of it.

[crimson gulch]

i never said i only use offical maps

[rustic ruin]

The issue with me playing local is honestly that I’m underage and a lot of these online communities don’t allow that which is fairly unfortunate

[rough basalt]

Nah I didn't mean that I just meant why I wanted to make my own.

Like half I hate official maps, other half I wanted maps exactly the way I wanted.

[crimson gulch]

ah, my entire time running dnd i would just google image search and find something great and roll with it

for my in person games i just make quick layots with my terrain peices

players wont remember that the map was perfect or how you felt about the map, they remember how you made them feel while they were playing

[rough basalt]

Yeah but I'll remember how happy I was to make the map and bring it to life the ways I did.

[marble lion]

Yeah unless i stumble upon a map that matches my vision, i just do a blueprintesque layout

[rough basalt]

I don't need people to remember my wedding quest had 5 floors of maps.
I just like to remember I made a quest my players enjoyed and were amazed by, and sometimes terrified.

[crimson gulch]

cannot reccomend terrifying your players enough

[quasi dome]

Game store games are usually open to teens, or even younger if their parents are therr

There’s usually someone’s kid at the AL games I play at the local game store

[rough basalt]

That game ended badly but I think my t1 adventure for that game reignited my love for dming

[quasi dome]

We all started as kids so it’s not something we want to keep kids out of

[rough basalt]

I think part of it was I wanted to make games when I was younger. So making maps in dnd that feel straight out of crpgs makes me feel a lot of joy.

[severe rampart]

In what ways pray tell

[crimson gulch]

Fireballs are a great way

[mild lodge]

hello maestros

[crimson gulch]

truly putting players in a situation where the dice decided if you live or die and handling that with the utmost care

[rough basalt]

For me it was putting them in dark halls with disembodied voices, traps, monstrous groans, eerie chanting. And using time challenges

Like you see a ritual powering up gradually over rounds of combat

[tender fossil]

Put them in a social event where they can't resort to violence to solve any problems

[rough basalt]

My wedding quest was probably one of my favorites of all time cause the social aspects mattered the most

[tender fossil]

Or a stealth mission where getting detected will bring down more heat on you than you can handle. Usually involves the barbarian and the paladin guarding the door

[rough basalt]

Prevented that wedding from becoming a bloodbath when the bride started choking on black liquid and stuff then collapsed and they managed to get both sides to hold for a second for someone to investigate.

[severe rampart]

have you talked about it here? if so I'd love to read it

[rough basalt]

I may have. I tend to forget about tales from the table.

[torpid hound]

What happens if you put the Headband of Intellect on your pet?

[pliant sapphire]

A very intelligent pet

[tawdry sentinel]

Like the episode of Rick and Morty with the robot dog

[undone rain]

How common are elves in dnd?

[torpid hound]

Not sure about Elves, but every other adventurer was a Half-Elf in 2014

[minor cargo]

Haha, it depends on the setting! But they're part of the basic rules, if that's any indication of how the designers think of them.

[woven flint]

Your dog probably just gets smarter.
I doubt any real changes would happen

[marble lion]

i once put it on a bird

he won poker against us all before a TPK by a dragon

[undone rain]

Alr pretty common i guess lol

[marble lion]

he flew away as the only surviving member of our party (rangers pet)

[verbal tusk]

So I have a friend that's looking for a community for her deaf friend to play. Does anyone know of a good place to narrow down my search?

[torpid hound]

Text

[marble lion]

just in case you dont know, the term "play by post" or "pbp" refers to games in text only

might be a useful term to look up for communities if you didnt know it

i think we do have pbp coming up in our #find-a-game stuff sometimes

[verbal tusk]

So not many video options?

[woven flint]

Play by Post games could potentially be a good avenue, but that's.. eh...

[marble lion]

obviously there is also sign language but thats nothing i know about

[torpid hound]

You quite literally said they're deaf

[marble lion]

sign language

[torpid hound]

Are you expecting the whole party to know sign language?

[verbal tusk]

Sign language is still a visual option to use through video

[undone rain]

People do speak sometimes while doing sign language lol

[woven flint]

If it's a party of people who need accessibility, yeah?

[marble lion]

"friend that's looking for a community for her deaf friend to play"

its not expecting

its "looking for"

i doubt they intend to make anyone feel bad for not knowing sign language

[woven flint]

^^^ this

[torpid hound]

Text is much less complicated and easier to find

[undone rain]

Yeah they just wish to be part of the community

[marble lion]

that is true but maybe just not fun for them

i doubt it would be fun for me

[undone rain]

And as i said people speak normally while doing sign language sometimes so its fine either way

[torpid hound]

Why?

[marble lion]

i want direct interaction, not a chatroom

[undone rain]

Also can i just say its amazing how we have made a whole language using just your hands

And kind of language with braille.

[torpid hound]

We're humans, humans are smart enough to solve pretty much any problem

Speaking of sign language, does anyone's character know Common Sign Language?

[humble cairn]

I often choose Common Sign Language for my characters now that it is a common option.

[undone rain]

And speaking of, if a deaf thri kreen has to communicate does that mean they just cant communicate telepathically

[woven flint]

Thri-Kreen telepathy is specifically through pheromones

Also, you don't have to be able to head to read and share thoughts.

[marble lion]

thrikeen can hear

being deaf would mean they just cannot hear sonic stuff

their telepathy talking would definitely still work

[undone rain]

Cool

[woven flint]

The main problem with Thri-Kreen Telepathy is that creatures must be willing to communicate with you
So, it's the most limiting form of telepathy to an extent

[vagrant parcel]

if they can read lips maybe video would work?

[stoic haven]

How powerful and useful would y'all say Pass without Trace is?

[woven flint]

It's one of the best Stealth spells in the game besides Invisibility
It works on your whole party

[stoic haven]

because I have been in campaigns where it is so stupidly good, yet very rarely so when I use it in others

[marble lion]

id say its even better than invisibility sometimes

[woven flint]

Not everyone has a Druid, Ranger or Earth Genasi in their party, so I can understand why it's rarely used, relatively speaking

[stoic haven]

I mean it doesn't have the same impact when I have used it in certain campaigns

[woven flint]

The next most accessible way I to be a Trickery Cleric in 2024 rules.

[knotty pasture]

Stealth and surprise is one of those things the whole team has to be a part of it after all

If someone rushes ahead that's surprise ruined

[marble lion]

and the DM needs to be a part of it too

its super easy as a DM to just make stealth nearly impossible

just by running it a certain way

if the encounters planned simply dont allow much sneaking, because of how they happen, then sneaking is worthless

[woven flint]

My Fighter with Dumped Dex and Heavy Armor tryna stealth:
Insert clanking tippy toes

[torpid hound]

Dumped dex? Do they trip on a rock every now and then?

[woven flint]

No, I mostly flavor it as him being not used to wearing armor

[severe rampart]

teach the party

[woven flint]

So he's more noisy than typical with it

[rough basalt]

its pretty funny

two of the party members are masters of stealth

then clank clank clank

[woven flint]

And Orizontas is a literal Tank lmao

We have a Monk, Rogue, Bard and Wizard (And me, the fighter of course) so majority of the party is potentially good at Stealth lol

[feral fulcrum]

Sir ClanksAlot draws the attention from the sneaky ones

[woven flint]

To be fair though
Orizontas is like.. a 7 foot tall Bronze Dragonborn with heavy armor and shiny scales, I'd expect him to be bad at Stealth

He's, I believe, two heads taller than the second tallest party member lmao

A sweetheart, I tell ya, but he can't do Stealth missions ever!

Which is one of my favorite things 😭

[humble cairn]

Surprise is too powerful in 2014 and less so in 2024, so that may have been a difference?

[torpid hound]

What does an Acolyte's "Book (prayers)" do?

[lavish flame]

Nothing, just a book of prayers

[humble cairn]

Is this a piece of starting equipment? And is this from 2014 or 2024?

[marble lion]

surprise is not too powerful

[torpid hound]

Yes, and 2024

[marble lion]

pulling off a proper ambush should get you something

[humble cairn]

In 2024 books give you a +5 bonus to certain rolls (History for one) pertaining to their subject.

[torpid hound]

So this one is a +5 to Religion?

[marble lion]

in 2024 surprise is either barely a thing
or if you run narrative ambushes, stronger than in 2014

[small heath]

Question: can you duo wield a quarter staff and a wand?

[marble lion]

letting one course of actions play out as narrative before combat starts is the 2024 way of making strong ambushes

[lavish flame]

yeah

[marble lion]

otherwise its just a decent initiative boost

[humble cairn]

Probably, ask your DM for the specifics of how they want to tun it.

[lavish flame]

Quarterstafg only needs 1 hand iirc

[marble lion]

dont you think its funny that quarterstaff is versatile?

[small heath]

I'm asking because I am a druid and I recently got a wand of magic missle so I was wondering if it's possible to use my shillelagh stuff while being able to cast my from my wand if needed.

[humble cairn]

Yes, that works fine.

[small heath]

I know I can't do both in 1 action, but the ability to even do both is what I'm wondering.

[marble lion]

can you imagine using a 6ft blunt pole as a onehanded weapon?
possible for sure but weird

[small heath]

Thanks!

[marble lion]

or even longer

if a quarterstaff can be versatile, so can a pike

[torpid hound]

And the fact that you can do that is what makes it better than a Greatclub

[humble cairn]

As someone who has a bit of training in the use of a staff in combat, it's not that weird.

[marble lion]

ive done all the fancy trick acrobatics with staves

i still find it funny to imagine someone who isnt a martial artist onehanding a quarterstaff

[humble cairn]

Anyone trained in using weapons in combat is a martial artist.

[marble lion]

monk i can see but the more grounded quarterstaff users like old men druids or something? its weird

[humble cairn]

It's really not?

Even in the HEMA manuscripts there are one handed staff techniques.

[marble lion]

im gonna watch a video of this now to see if im just imagining things

[humble cairn]

Though I am not that well versed in HEMA.

[marble lion]

yeah all these techniques are 2handed

they just STRIKE with only one hand but hold it with 2

if you onehand a quarterstaff it should also get range trait because damn thats a long boy now if youre flailing that your reach is like 10ft

[small heath]

Can you cast from offhand in '14?

[humble cairn]

There is no "offhand" in either '14 or '24, what exactly are you asking?

[marble lion]

you need one hand free for using a pouch, doing somatic components or handling a focus like a staff or wand

that hand can be a hand on top of holding a weapon in your other hand

[small heath]

Holding my quarterstaff with my shillelagh while my wand of magic missles is presumably in my other hand. Would I be able to cast from that wand.

[viral kraken]

you just need any hand free for somatic or material components if the spell has them

[humble cairn]

No 5E rule makes a differentiation between an off or main hand.

[viral kraken]

is the wand your casting focus?

[marble lion]

if the spell has somatic components and material components, you need both hands free iirc

[humble cairn]

It's a wand magic item and yes you can use your other hand to hold a wand and cast from it.

[marble lion]

as one hand is doing the somatic
while the other is either getting the material or holding a focus to replace the material

but any spell that doesnt need both somatic and material, you can cast while holding a weapon in one hand yes

[viral kraken]

ah i thought they were asking about casting it from themselves, not from the wand lol

[humble cairn]

It's also a Wand of Magic Missiles being asked about.

[woven flint]

I can't think of any way to flavor my Warforged Pugilist using Dig Deep besides
"Nanomachines, Son! They harden in response to physical trauma!"

[marble lion]

he would get along with xanathar

[serene jolt]

I was also told that if you use a component pouch, you can use a two handed weapon. (Cuz you can hold the two handed weapon with one hand, you just can't swing it).

I could be wrong.

[marble lion]

i would agree but im not sure thats RAW

[glad arch]

No tbats correct

You only need 2 hands on it when you attack with it

[rugged hawk]

Which doesn't actually make sense, because nanomachines are so small, they literally don't have any extra material to restructure to alter hardness

[serene jolt]

Makes sense. So you can realistically use a longbow or Greatsword as a spellcaster?

[marble lion]

you dont need extra material to increase structure integrity which maybe is meant by hardness?

[humble cairn]

That is correct. You need a hand free to interact with your component, but unlike a focus a component pouch doesn't need to be held, just interacted with.

[woven flint]

Something about Senator Armstrong being able to control the vast amount of Nanotechnology in his body, i guess

[serene jolt]

That's awesome

[fleet timber]

Someone should totally make a campaign based on the DSMP. I would love to join it.

[woven flint]

I dunno, maybe I'll flavor him using Dig Deep as his Metallic flesh absorbing kinetic energy lol

[viral kraken]

so speaking of pugilist, it seems fun, how are folks liking it?

[woven flint]

Yes!
I'm playing a Warforged Dog & Hound Pugilist and I love him

He's a tough cookie!

[viral kraken]

that sounds fun!

[woven flint]

It's like playing a Monk that can actually stand there and take hits

[fleet timber]

I wish i could run a campaign. I would love to do a DSMP one.

[undone rain]

Senator armstrong class

[woven flint]

Best part is, we're using exploring eberron because it's an Eberron campaign and he's got Juggernaut Plating as a feat and he's just immune to crits now

[viral kraken]

oh wow, that's gotta be nice

[rugged hawk]

...oh. I seriously misread that out of the corner of my eye and had to actually LOOK at my right monitor to confirm what was there.

[fleet timber]

What did you think it said?

[rugged hawk]

Something else

[woven flint]

He's also got the Mark of Sentinel and can swap places with someone in 5 feet of him to take damage for them 😎

He's my ultimate Frontliner dream 🧐

[viral kraken]

ya i think when i make a frontliner next i might make a piss and vinegar pugilist

[woven flint]

Oh, yeah
The Warforged is named Sentry
And his doggo is named Vigilance :]

[rugged hawk]

Dogmeat or get out

[woven flint]

They were part of the Sentinel Marshals in Eberron before warforged were liberated from services

[fleet timber]

I wonder if there's a way to commission someone to run a certain campaign.

[stuck crystal]

can you make alcocholic beverages out of plant based creatures???

imagine just making a strong ass tonic

[woven flint]

Dog & Hound is really fun sp far because when the dog attacks it can choose to Grapple or Knock something prone as well as damage it and it's a Strength Save regardless 👀

[viral kraken]

nice

[woven flint]

We were fighting Kenku reflavored as Crow Shifters and he held one for the entire combat lol

[fleet timber]

and I'm just talking to myself. wonderful

[woven flint]

#looking-for-dm should help

[fleet timber]

I can't run campaigns

[glad arch]

Thats why youre looking for a dm

[woven flint]

Yeah, it's looking for DM lol

[rugged hawk]

Ackshually, you were only typing to yourself /s

[woven flint]

You post looking for a DM and potentially get a response

[glad arch]

Alternativly you can look online for paid DM's that run the module you want

[fleet timber]

awesome..

[glad arch]

The road to a dnd table is a rough one but once youre there its usually great

[fleet timber]

k

[obtuse stratus]

Feels like all the time XD

[rugged hawk]

Btw, that warlock I'd linked: https://i.imgur.com/wFVyXq2.png

[fleet timber]

I can't post in the #looking-for-dm channel

[woven flint]

Look in #find-a-game

[undone rain]

I love some of the water races like tritons just wish we had more waterspells

[rugged hawk]

Remember, flavor is free 👀

[undone rain]

Ive always been a bit of a hydromancer lol

[rugged hawk]

Also, you can always ask your DM to let you convert some spells to Ice damage

[undone rain]

Caaaaan reflavor ice spells into water true

Just does cold damage lol

Ice and water are basically siblings lol

[fleet timber]

Alright. Posted. I doubt I'll get anything, but who knows.

[undone rain]

Might play a triton someday

[stuck crystal]

screw it , healing ice spells

[undone rain]

I would homebrew an ocean themed oath but im lazy lol

[glad arch]

Water is a pretty good fit for healing generally

[undone rain]

Perfect for fire ngl

[glad arch]

No need to ice that up

[pliant sapphire]

Oath of the Open Sea exists 😛

[undone rain]

Hold on i gotta search this up

[obtuse stratus]

I replied that night :3 Looks cool

[stuck crystal]

for some reason im picturing that whole jojos fight with graceful death
where they had to use ice to stay alive

just keep freezing your wounds so you wont bleed out

[rugged hawk]

My water sorc was made via Divine Soul Sorc subclass and a Dark Bargain: Bestial Awakening. Worships Trishina, goddess of dolphins, and her Bestial Awakening form is a dolphin as well. Uses mostly Cold-based magic.

[undone rain]

Thats pretty cool ngl

[undone rain]

Just read of it, its fire

[rugged hawk]

My water sorc https://i.imgur.com/XrZ1Taa.png

[obtuse stratus]

Sick mini

[undone rain]

Ohhh i like that

Nice design my friend

Just gotta find out how to make a water themed paladin

[rugged hawk]

Yea, her mate's a water genasi cleric of Trishina https://i.imgur.com/n0sAQha.png

[rugged hawk]

Poorly. Full Plate isn't good for swimming

[undone rain]

Awww

[stuck crystal]

one of these freaky crab worshippers

[obtuse stratus]

The first rule of paladins and water is they don't go in the water

[stuck crystal]

that are like 20 meters long

[tender fossil]

If you want to make a water-themed paladin, just go with a pirate hunter

[stuck crystal]

worshippers of the deep

[undone rain]

Ill be fiiiiiiiine

[obtuse stratus]

Sinkers in the deep

[stuck crystal]

or just go with sillier approach , sea urichin paladin

[undone rain]

Ill be like in a diversuit armor

[obtuse stratus]

Nah a coral armored Paladin of Umberlee is sick

[stuck crystal]

actually sea urichin armor would look sick

kinda like that kirk armor from dark souls

[rugged hawk]

Tortledin of Oath of Open Sea?

[stuck crystal]

i do like this tho

[tender fossil]

Or go Barbary Coast style and hunt slavers on the open sea

[obtuse stratus]

Lil anemone squeeking in his ear.

[stuck crystal]

jack sparrow inspired character! also neat

[woven flint]

Tortles are fun

[obtuse stratus]

BTW good morning Vin

[serene jolt]

I was about to say, isn't there a water paladin oath? Echo reminded me what it was called. XD

Also I've heard dexadins are pretty good.

*With the right build

[woven flint]

Yeah, but alas, its third party so it might not always be allowed

[tender fossil]

Anything dexterity related is going to be viable

[rugged hawk]

Yes, it is indeed still morning. You have successfully passed your DC 5 Perception check. Congrats

[tender fossil]

But if you're going to do that I highly suggest you pull out the rapier and go Errol Flynn for your paladin

[obtuse stratus]

Now if only I could keep passing the Strength Checks this morning has consisted of

[serene jolt]

I also gave my (fighter dip) warlock Mithral Plate, which could also work for a paladin who wants to swim (since it's lighter)

[obtuse stratus]

Just give them a floatation device. Paladin with water wings

[serene jolt]

Or a pocket druid with waterwalk

Or just any species that has innate swimming and the ability to breathe underwater

[obtuse stratus]

Pocket druid is the best druid. Keep it with your sand

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying about pocket sand. Counterpoint, pocket carolina reaper powder.

[tender fossil]

Counter counterpoint pocket badger

[obtuse stratus]

Works for me, I already use a cup of cayanne in most of my cooking

[woven flint]

Counter-Counter-Counterpoint

The glock In my back pocket

[rugged hawk]

Counter counter counter counterpoint, the accidental discharge that removes your arse.

[obtuse stratus]

Sounds like a good way to be a castrado

[woven flint]

Countercountercountercountercounterpoint....

What arse? 💀

[tender fossil]

That's why you keep him in your coat pocket and remember to apply scritches regularly

[obtuse stratus]

You know, all this talk makes me wish I could get a ferret

[tender fossil]

Until it's time to perform the facectomy

[serene jolt]

Artificers be like

[tender fossil]

If I'm going to have a surprise pistol for the bad guys, it's going to be in my belt buckle like the guy in from dusk till Dawn

[obtuse stratus]

My mind goes to The Goonies

[woven flint]

No no..
We keep our firearms in pocket dimensions here

[obtuse stratus]

Opens a bag of holding, a million shots fire out at once

[undone rain]

No under our hat

[obtuse stratus]

Alright, theorycraft time. Lets say I wanted to do the golemancer. Seems like Artificer Battle Smith is the way to go, but how do I expand that army, which constructs to make and are there other rules for making them aside from using a MoG (the price ask is quite high there so early levels would be a biscuit of a time)

[obtuse stratus]

Right I was meaning to pick your brain on your solo character solo play

[rugged hawk]

D&D DM Yourselves
D&D The Solo Adventurer's Toolbox
D&D The Solo Adventurer's Toolbox Expanded

[obtuse stratus]

Danke

[fading summit]

hey so i kind of have problem how do i scale lvl ups in my sesion? im doing this my own way beacose some exp values are just awful. For example on 1 sesion they did something really hard and couldnt get lvl from monster exp and on second sesion they could have gotten 4 lvls in a row by the ammount of exp they got. Should i be more generous and enable double,tripple lvl ups? that question is more of our sesion usualy ends on like lvl 7 and i want to see what would my players do at lvl 17-20

for now i did 6 sesions and from my own exp chart they are on lvl 4, some are close to lvl 5

[humble cairn]

The DMG has avice about how to advance player levels without using XP, which I prefer: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/running-the-game#LevelAdvancementwithoutXP

[fading summit]

we also started at lvl 3

[tawdry sentinel]

Are you doing the math right?

Your 1000xp monster that gets killed by 5 people is 200xp each not 1000.

[obtuse stratus]

Old School has you stop them with 1xp left until the second level up to prevent fast leveling. Gary would just have all their treasure stolen (which was XP back then)

[rugged hawk]

Ew, exp sharing

[umbral girder]

Usually with XP my players get a level up per session (unless you are levels 5-10)

Not sure how you are getting that.

[rugged hawk]

I always run solo/small parties in BG1/2 / PF Kingmaker+WotR until a high enough level, so my XP isn't being reduced by 5/6ths.

[umbral girder]

Usually you divide the xp among players.
And the game primarily expects you to do Moderate level encounters and High levels for Boss fights.

[severe rampart]

you're the second person I've seen play Baldur's Gate 1 and 2

[obtuse stratus]

I always run around with 7 hirelings stealing a half share of the XP each

[obtuse stratus]

I kick myself for not, now. I was on the NWN train

[rugged hawk]

Ugh. I'm so irritated with NWN1 + 2's xp scaling, where even summons, familiars, and hirelings ALL suck up XP gain

[undone rain]

Shit i just cant seem to make an ocean themed paladin on heroforge

[obtuse stratus]

I mean with my +2 reactions from 18 Cha I give all my B/X characters I at least get hirelings with +1 loyalty and a Half Share + 1gp/day (I also give a half share to "the company" to pay all those nerds) but it works well on not agressively overleveling. Now just to find good ways of randomly generating a game that isn't Hexroll 🤢

[undone rain]

How dare you echo thats it divine smite on thee

[severe rampart]

Wrong Echo

[undone rain]

Not you echo

[rugged hawk]

Wrong Echo

[obtuse stratus]

echo echooo echoooo

[undone rain]

Alr smite on both of you

[paper portal]

hi vin hi echo hi oxy theres a lot of ppl i know in chat rn huh

[south prawn]

One of the echos here makes more of a statement.

[severe rampart]

I cast Silvery Barbs on the attack roll

[woven flint]

Which Chromatic Dragons do you folks prefer
The Cunning (Blue, Green)
Straight up murderous (Red, White)
Or a mix between the two (Black)

[rugged hawk]

Settle down, faildin

[obtuse stratus]

Good evening, meowmeow err actually I guess night since it's probably midnight for you

[delicate owl]

Ah. People.

[south prawn]

Ok, dad joke for the fail

[undone rain]

Nuh uh i smite

[severe rampart]

it's okay, I chuckled at that

[severe rampart]

Hello wings, also Luz pfp hello

[woven flint]

Apparently, there was a Pink Chromatic Dragon that wasn't evil in 2nd Edition, they ate people that didn't laugh at their jokes, though lmao

[rugged hawk]

Hmmm. I feel the dark cravings coursing in my veins. I must hunt. The sugary substances and caffeine shall be mine.

[obtuse stratus]

GD Copper Dragons painting themselves pink

[umbral girder]

Sounds like 5e’s crystal dragon

[woven flint]

Well, Copper Dragons don't just straight up eat people that don't like their jokes, they just get annoyed

[severe rampart]

This is where we separate, Echo, for I love tea

[woven flint]

Metallic Dragons share ONE singular thing in common besides being Good and that's an Aversion to killing

[obtuse stratus]

I actually had a party convince a Brass Dragon to talk to it's own behind once. Silly duck

[delicate owl]

Gimme an evil metallic, thanks

[woven flint]

Metallics are made in Bahamuts image

Chromatics in Tiamats

[rugged hawk]

As someone born in Boston, MA, and a direct descendant of the Mayflower Pilgrims through Degory Priest, TEA BELONGS IN THE HARBOR!

[woven flint]

It's kinds hard to justify an Evil Metallic unless it's scorn by people

[obtuse stratus]

Lol, I spent way too much time in Weymouth as a kid

[umbral girder]

Fun fact Tiamat (in lore) originally didn’t have 5 heads

[rugged hawk]

This is the land of COFFEE and DONUTS, not tea and crumpets

[umbral girder]

She just took the shape of a Red Dragon most times

[humble cairn]

You should come to Bangkok, they love their sugary caffeinated drinks here.

[umbral girder]

Then she got sent to the Hells and became the 5 head angry dragon.

[rugged hawk]

Why do I feel like they're tea swillers?

[umbral girder]

I like to imagine them as stages of depression after losing Sardior

[paper portal]

personally id rather just have like 6 donuts <- did this yesterday

[obtuse stratus]

Welp, back to work, bye everybody. Bye Vin and Meowmeow

[humble cairn]

It's both, and a lot, with lots of sugar. The city is trying to get cafes to reduce their sugar levels for public health concerns.

[rugged hawk]

Yes, suffe- I mean, uh, have fun with that?

[rugged hawk]

I may or may not have made myself way too many hash browns this morning

[humble cairn]

They do good regular type coffees, but they also have different and interesting ones. My favorite are coconut lattes, but you should try an orange juice coffee, it sounds weird but I promise you it goes a lot better together than you'd think.

[humble cairn]

I love hash browns and they are not cheap here.

[woven flint]

Doing some random dragon research and apparently the only three recorded Platinum Dragons are Deities:

Bahamut and his supposed parents (according to some traditions) Tamara and Lendys

[humble cairn]

An Old Fashioned Thai Coffee is with condensed milk over ice, kind of like a Vietnamese coffee, but not quite as strong.

[rough basalt]

Me making one of the goddesses in my world sometimes depicted as a 5 headed dragon but most of their worshippers think it's weird.

[knotty pasture]

Gives me vibes of "You look better without make up... wait hold on why do you look so hideous"

[woven flint]

You think Tiamat would feel sorrow?

I feel like she casually tunes in to watching her Chromatics murder and be murdered as she does her nails or some shit lol

[umbral girder]

Considering her entire world and kids were taken from her, Saridor died, and Bahamut betrayed her, yes.

Then getting locked into “world of evil that makes you even more evil” likely was more salt in the wound

[woven flint]

Instead of the Beach that makes you Old
It's the Hell that makes you Evil

[umbral girder]

I imagine it like a Megatron situation. Was chill but after several million years became a monster

[woven flint]

It's hard for me to imagine Tiamat feeling anything besides murderous

But, I do understand that she's a complex being to a degree

[paper portal]

to me the beach that makes you old is just a regular beach

[woven flint]

You age 5 morbillion years

[stone wren]

feesh...hi people

[obtuse stratus]

We talking about Pogs again? Because it turns out that makes me like 100

Hello, pexe

[humble cairn]

You know when they started using the term "poggers" I thought it had something to do with Pogs.

Turns out, nope.

[obtuse stratus]

Still trying to figure that one out. Language changes way too much now to keep up

[strong bison]

There is something I am curious about in regards to something in dnd

Is this the right channel to ask about that?

[obtuse stratus]

yes, we just get sidelined a lot

[paper portal]

depends what you wanna ask about

[strong bison]

Gotcha gotcha, so for context, I've just joined this in person campaign yesterday, it is my first campaign I've been in in years and it's my first in person campaign ever, and my character is a warforged fighter, a custom lineage warforged

And what's neat about my warforged, who I've given the name of "Ferris Mons'ooun", is that he was created in the shadowfell by an artificer in gloomwrought, and as it turns out, the artificer made him entirely out of "void metal" and some other type of stone, I don't think the DM went into the details cuz the session had already started much later than anticipated

What I want to know is this, what does void metal look like? I've searched it up but all I've been shown are dice that have void metal in the name

[harsh hinge]

That's something you ought to ask the DM! I'm fairly sure it's specific to their table.

[buoyant oar]

Yea the only hits I am getting on Void Metal is old v3.5 homebrew stuff

[strong bison]

Guess that makes sense, I should've done that then to begin with

[craggy summit]

A handful of stuff in dnd doesn't have concrete descriptions of what they look like. So it'd be best to ask the DM like iamrazorwing said

Or if you had your own idea for what you wanted it to look like, you can tell the DM and they will probably let it slide for flavor purposes

[strong bison]

Sounds good, I appreciate the help from y'all

[craggy summit]

No problem 🤙 hope you have a great time in your campaign!

[fleet timber]

I'm so bored

[still plover]

Well, I went on a lookie and came out with a pic for a new demonic beast. Just needs some spooky glowing eyes. Cheers, Magnum 0pus!

[strong bison]

Wowza

[stuck crystal]

im the great don quixote!

[normal oracle]

hi hi! my friends and i are running a charity livestream with our DND group. can we just post this in advertisements? thanks! :)

[woven flint]

I don't see why not

Also, nice profile picture

[stuck crystal]

aw that sounds awesome!

good for you guys

[regal gulch]

Hey quick question. How do you get miniature glue off of a desk and out of fabric?

[stuck crystal]

oh strong acid

but maybe dont because only time i had to use it was in like electronic class

[regal gulch]

Won’t that damage the fabric and desk?

[normal oracle]

boku wa doctor or whateva!

[normal oracle]

thank you <3 im very excited my garfing friend

[normal oracle]

mineral oil!

mineral oil gets glue off

[stuck crystal]

yeah it will unfortunately
the classroom where i had to use acid on industrial grade glue had ceramic finish
which means its specifically designed against acids

[regal gulch]

What kind? Something off of amazon?

[stuck crystal]

also a decent acid dont forget*

[stuck crystal]

lowk on don quixote pill rn

i want to be as delusional as him\

[normal oracle]

im reading don quixote for a multimedia class rn!

[stuck crystal]

dude im just a big fond of archetypes of beyond delusional characters in media

[normal oracle]

have you read the second part?

[stuck crystal]

nah twin im familiar with don quixote thrtough short comics i would read as a kid
my mom would show them to me

[fleet timber]

Nothing to do...I'm so tempted to take a nap just so time can pass and someone talks to me about joining a game.

[stuck crystal]

but like the archetype of delusioned spanish lord is so fun

i love characters that are delusional

[torpid hound]

I'm gonna make my Stone Goliath a member of a tribe called The Rolling Stones

[fleet timber]

Wish I was good at running a campaign, that way I wouldn't have to wait. But I suck at it. And waiting is torture.

[reef tundra]

I hope you don’t come across a red door

[torpid hound]

Watch Matt Colvile's videos

[fleet timber]

Why

[torpid hound]

It helps you run the game

[fleet timber]

But I don't want to.

[normal oracle]

you should so read it tho

[torpid hound]

But you said you wish you were good at running a campaign

[stuck crystal]

is he still a total maniac in actual books

if os then im interested

[fleet timber]

Yes. Because waiting for someone to run one to join is torture. But a campaign just for myself is really stupid and boring.

[stuck crystal]

watch david and his gang pull up on you with slingshots

[normal oracle]

yes

very much so

[stuck crystal]

heck yeah!

[torpid hound]

Fun fact the Goliath is literally Goliath isekai'd into D&D

His backstory is that the Philistines lied to him about something and now he's redeemed himself, he cares stone sculptures in his spare time

[stuck crystal]

dude isekaid by will of YHWH is beyond crazy

[stuck crystal]

i mean i do like that idea but i do wonder what are his abilities

[torpid hound]

Rage

[stuck crystal]

like im interested in what you wrote thus far

[stuck crystal]

so basically a raging hunk of muscles

[torpid hound]

I'm just starting to fill out his about

[stuck crystal]

love that!

[undone rain]

I love goliaths

[stuck crystal]

make his enemy bart simpsons parody with silly sling shot

man i find this part of original story to be hilarious

get sniped

[undone rain]

Wonder why goliaths cant have beards

[torpid hound]

A certain Goliath defied that

[stuck crystal]

the og one weirdly enough

warriors used to have beards back then

[torpid hound]

The og one? I'm talking about a character

[stuck crystal]

OH MY BAD

[uncut zenith]

They were originally written stating they’re just physically incapable of growing hair, but that’s since been changed

[torpid hound]

You know who I'm talking about?

[undone rain]

Can just make em a half goliath

[stuck crystal]

i thought you meant that fella from OT who got sniped with a stone

[uncut zenith]

They very clearly have hair in a lot of art since they were first published in 5E

[stuck crystal]

i cant say specific names because of guidelines

[torpid hound]

Wait what

[burnt valley]

David kites the melee martial with slings

[undone rain]

Good to hear

[stuck crystal]

AHHHH i see where the confusion arose form

[uncut zenith]

Plus, flavor is free. Whether they do or don’t have facial hair doesn’t really change them mechanically, so there’s no harm in just letting them have hair/facial hair

[stuck crystal]

i mistakenly thought you guys are talking about characters from irl traditions

my bad

[cerulean marlin]

Has wizards of the coast stopped producing the 2014 PHB? I go to the website and it’s out stock and telling me to order the latest rule set while Amazon is also trying to charge me $100 for a new copy

[dapper cloud]

Probably. Last time I checked they were still selling it but only as part of the three book set.

Last time I checked was also a while ago.

[hushed mason]

My FLGS has a copy. Unfortunately, they don't have a copy of the 2025 material.

[rough basalt]

Not seeing anything about it being officially discontinued yet

[grizzled root]

howdy

[rough basalt]

It's probably very low on print priority list

[grizzled root]

hello

can anyone recomend a campaign i could join?

i have an idea for a character

[dark pewter]

Check out #find-a-game for how to use our LFG channels! Plenty of folks list campaigns in that category

[grizzled root]

ok i am rn

just found it

[jolly agate]

GAWD Sorcerer is SO boring

[uncut zenith]

Yeah they’ve probably been prioritizing the 2024 books, but I’m doubtful they’ll stop printing the 2014 books as long as we’re still universally within the 5th edition.

[rough basalt]

Probably. But I wouldn't be too surprised if they stop printing physical versions once the rest of the PHB content is updated.

[uncut zenith]

And as of right now, I don't remember them slapping a "legacy" tag on the 2014 books yet

[rough basalt]

I know there's some 5e adventure books you can't find physical of unless you're lucky or secondhand.

[uncut zenith]

That might be mostly due to supply and demand

Especially when it comes to FLGS. They tend to stock up on what's new and popular, not so much on stuff people haven't been buzzing about in years.

[rough basalt]

Yeah and I think it's saying here wotc ended a partnership with a printing company at some point.

[rough basalt]

Well I'm talking amazon

Only cases I've seen people finding these books is actually LGS's funny enough

[uncut zenith]

Likewise, Amazon products that are available on Prime are only available on Prime because they're in a warehouse. They don't stock their warehouses with things that aren't selling much anymore.

[rough basalt]

True.

It's just weird that it's only those two adventures I feel like some are much worse, but you can still get physical copies.
Might be because they're bad nobodies buying the remaining stock of them.

[uncut zenith]

Idk if they cut ties with a printing company, but I know they had quality issues when they were getting ready to publish Forge of the Artificer and ended up having to scramble to find a new company to print the book ASAP.

Whether they fully cut ties with the original printing company or not, I don't think they've confirmed.

[quick flower]

Is a 7 player table viable

I've done 6 before but never 7 or 8

[rough basalt]

They've ended the contract so yeah cut ties may have been a bit too hard wording

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, I didn't know they ended the contract, I just knew for a fact they were looking for another company to print the book since they were already so close to release date when they got reports of the covers warping

[rough basalt]

But finding a physical copy of Dungeon of the Mad Mage is an Indiana Jones movie in the making

[uncut zenith]

It can be

[rough basalt]

You need to delve into ancient civilization dodging giant rolling balls and poison darts

[uncut zenith]

Every table is responsible for deciding how many players they can take at a single table. For some it's 3-5, others can handle more.

[rough basalt]

Huh seeing some copies for under 100 dollars now and it's not the maps and accessory book either

[uncut zenith]

I know I couldn't handle DMing for more than like 6 players max, but I can't speak for every DM

[rough basalt]

5 is my max.

[quick flower]

I did a 15 person one shot for 12 hours at a gala it was fun

[feral fulcrum]

Because their power would increase ten fold if they rocked awesome beards.

[tawny yarrow]

I wish u knew anything about dnd

[torpid hound]

I feel bad for Barbarians, they use Strength, Constitution and Dexterity yet the only skill they have that uses one is Athletics

[lean wigeon]

very good class design

[wild sequoia]

It is often quite fool hardy for a young and ill trained party to gather at a tavern and to say “We have had it with our teachers, let’s go off to kill some creatures!” And find a ton of gold along the way.

[torpid hound]

Good thing my Barbarian rolled good in everything: 18 STR, 16 DEX, 16 CON, 12 INT, 14 WIS, 14 CHA

[river vector]

How should I have a worm that walks sound? Like the voice is coming from many directions is a thought I had.

[warped topaz]

what wish using the wish spell is "too big"?

[rugged hawk]

DM discretion. Enjoy your 1/3 chance of never being able to cast Wish again

[stoic haven]

trying to kill Mystra

[warped topaz]

like what if i say "i wish to be able to cast time stop and delayed blast fireball with no component requirements and no spell slot requirements as an action, essentially becoming cantrips while maintaining their full powers"

[feral fulcrum]

Up to the DM

Whatever we say here super does not matter, since the DM is the final decision maker of what does, and does not, work.

[warped topaz]

i'll be doing it through the hand and the eye, so thats only once a month anyway

[uncut zenith]

The spell tells you exactly what it’s capable of doing. Anything else is up to the DM.

One DM might allow the “what if” you just presented, another might not.

[rugged hawk]

ACKSHUALLY, DM can decide if spells even do what they say RAW.

[stoic haven]

They can, but if they change everything, then very little people will actually play with them

[warped topaz]

on nother note does anyone know where i can find an Iuz stat block?

[stoic haven]

Yep, that was my character XD

[feral fulcrum]

What's a Luz, I presume you're not talking about the girl from The Owl House.

[warped topaz]

(Iuz, eye-yooz actually 🤓 ) greyhawk evil god that resides mainly in physical form

[idle oar]

They are a campion so just take the cambion statblock and adjust as needed

[severe fox]

still no new books

[rough basalt]

Tashas son

[keen jewel]

Where can I change my roles

[rough basalt]

We're getting at least three this year.

[tender fossil]

Official or otherwise?

[buoyant oar]

Praise be Iuz

[severe fox]

Tasha has a son?

[tender fossil]

She's the mother of demons she has several

[rough basalt]

Yes, Iuz

[severe fox]

@knotty vine why im i just now hearing about this?

[uncut zenith]

She also has a vampire daughter

[tender fossil]

Because I really haven't gone into a lot of lore in the latest editions

[knotty vine]

what

[rough basalt]

Ye Drelnza

[short brook]

Hello friends 👋

[warped topaz]

otherwise

[tender fossil]

Her and Grazzt was D&D's most toxic relationship for the longest. In every sense of the word

[idle oar]

Up in the Channels & Roles channel (can’t seem to grab a link here on mobile, sorry)

[buoyant oar]

Iuz is the one who gave Vecna divinity

-# wrong reply whoops

[rough basalt]

Depending on whether the Dark Sun book is this year and if it's a twofer like the FR books might be more

[hazy heath]

Can someone help me create a homebrew item? I am not sure how to do it the right way on dndbeyond. It’s a bone blade small + 2 dagger that requires a check against passive perception to be discovered by others and does base d2 damage

[uncut zenith]

Iuz doesn’t officially have a statblock in D&D, but we do know he’s a Cambion. I’d probably start with the generic cambion statblock and homebrew a specific, more powerful statblock for Iuz.

Or just reskin an existing higher CR fiend

[buoyant oar]

I am surprised that the magic book is the twofer not Ravenloft.

[uncut zenith]

I mean, if the new Ravenloft book is anything like Forge of the Artificer (meaning it’s supposed to work with Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft and not instead of it), I can’t imagine why it would need two books instead of just one.

[warped topaz]

i'll check it out, i need him to go toe to toe with my homebrewed "manifestation of vecna" statblock before ||vecna's ritual powers him up ||(vecna lives! 2e) (im converting it to 5e)

[buoyant oar]

I would be really surprised if Ravenloft is the shorter book this year.

Coming off the tiny book of eberron to hit with another tiny book 4 months later is an odd choice.

[warped topaz]

im praying for domains of dread

come on burning peaks 🤞

[buoyant oar]

Considering this one does the right thing and stats out the Dark Lords or at least some of them I hope so.

[stiff rock]

i'm actually not too sure what will be in ravenloft

[warped topaz]

maybe we'll even get a better vecna stat block

[buoyant oar]

Not statting out Dark Lords of Ravenloft was one of the decisions of all time.

[harsh hollow]

I think all we know for sure is reprints of the lineages and a werewolf species.

[uncut zenith]

I actually like how they handled the Dark Lords “stats” in VRGTR

[rough basalt]

Just being the generic statblocks feels kinda boring tho

[uncut zenith]

They just gave examples of what the dark lords are like so the DM can adjust accordingly based on what level the party’s at when they meet them

[harsh hollow]

(Presumably like the Dhampir in the Astarion book they're all individual species now without the lineage mechanic.)

[rough basalt]

Especially since in some cases it doesn't really fit the dark lord.

[buoyant oar]

For me it didn't make sense when your most popular module in years is about fighting a Dark Lord of Ravenloft. To just handwave it.

[uncut zenith]

Like Mordenheim is “like a spy”, not a flatout spy. So the idea is if you meet her when the party’s at the level where they can handle a spy, great! If they’re stronger, adjust accordingly.

[rough basalt]

I thought she is just a Spy

[buoyant oar]

Tbf the bigger disappointment was the 30+ domains of dread with a large section of them being a paragraph.

[warped topaz]

i NEED good vecna

eve of ruin was mid so ravenloft is a second chance

[uncut zenith]

Dr. Viktra Mordenheim dresses in functional, bloodstained lab wear. Her statistics are similar to those of a spy, but her focus is on science and her medical genius is unmatched.

[buoyant oar]

I would rather it be done like FR AiF. Give me less but give me deeper.

[uncut zenith]

The idea is, like I said, the stats they linked for the Dark Lords is a jumping off point, not their exact stats.

[buoyant oar]

I get the idea. It's just too wishy washy for me. If I wanted vibes based stats I can vibe it myself ya know?

[warped topaz]

didnt he become a god through his cult following

[uncut zenith]

It worked fine for me, but I get everybody’s got their preferences

Can’t win ‘em all

[buoyant oar]

His status as a greater god came about when he used the divine essence of Iuz to escape Ravenloft. In Vecna Reborn. The cult following helped

[rough basalt]

Yeah same with me.
Vibe based doesn't feel like enough

Just feels like they didn't wanna stat them

[uncut zenith]

Well maybe the new Ravenloft will give us specific stats for the Dark Lords

[warped topaz]

oh mb, him and Iuz are always fighting

[rough basalt]

Hoping so.
Hope it's not 60 pages of Strahd.

[buoyant oar]

Totally on the different strokes for different boats. Ravenloft came out at a time where there was a heavy push in WotC products to offload work on the DM.

[uncut zenith]

We know we’re getting at least a page’s worth of info on each Dark Lord from some of the promo pics we’ve seen so far, so we could see a page or two for each. One page with lore, another with stats and lair/regional effects

[warped topaz]

come on burning peaks 🤞

[buoyant oar]

And it made sense a bit. But there was also that scratch in my brain of "what am I paying for here?"

[rough basalt]

How I felt after buying Spelljammer despite knowing it wasn't worth it.

[buoyant oar]

But really since Book of Many Things there has been a Huge improvement. I have only been disappointed with the digital supplements for FR and I can't complain too much as I got them for free.

[uncut zenith]

They were also trying a lot of new things. Like no alignments on statblocks, more rolling tables in setting books to give them more variety every time you play in said setting, etc.

[warped topaz]

spelljammer WAS worth it for me, mainly bc my first campaign was heavily homebrewed spelljammer and the box set brings back good memories

[rough basalt]

Spelljammer: Adventures in Space
look inside
use a spelljammer to go to forgotten realms, there's no adventures here

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, the supplements weren’t super impressive, but they were preorder bonuses for me so I won’t complain too much about it

[buoyant oar]

Yea it just didn't click with me with their very limited release schedule. This kind of tinkering was and is awesome when you got Dragon Magazine pumping out 50-100 pages of lore and stats every other month.

[uncut zenith]

I’ll be so real, I thought the free Spelljammer Academy adventures, while kinda campy, were more interesting than Light of Xaryxis

[buoyant oar]

If you wanna experiment that is cool. But please God don't make the experiment 25% of the annual schedule

[warped topaz]

general question: do you prefer crystal ball wildspace systems or "in the open" wildspace systems

[rough basalt]

My issue is you need homebrew to run a satisfying spelljammer game.

As they just intended it to be a "hey go to forgotten realms"

[uncut zenith]

I like the new interpretation of Spelljammer (no crystal spheres or phlogiston), but I agree the books left much to be desired

[rough basalt]

You came here from Sigil? Good now go to the forgotten realms.

[buoyant oar]

I like the lore of the crystal spheres. But I get why they got rid of them. Problem was they didn't add anything to replace it.

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think they intended it for anything beyond prying money out of pockets with some very low effort on their end.

[warped topaz]

issue doesnt apply to me much since i homebrew a lot of my games, but i can understand why it was a bad choice

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, they literally just made Spelljammer 5E a massive sandbox with little to do in it

[rough basalt]

Ye it was probably just to squeeze money out of old fans of it

Who'd buy it out of excitement

Just to get "wait why is a 80 page book with 68 pages of ship statblocks"

[uncut zenith]

Like… why didn’t they expand on things like the astral dominions beyond just a sidebar that says (paraphrased) “the astral sea is also home to the gods’ summer houses and their corpses. You tell me what happens there.”

[buoyant oar]

Like the Rock of Bral. Has the same prince Ardu who is 44 years old in 5e.

Despite being 44 years old in 3e 120 years ago.

[warped topaz]

i also like how the books said crystal spheres are still possible, i like to think of them as a seasonal things, every few months they form, every few months they disappear, like leaves of a tree

[feral fulcrum]

Not even partiuclarly indepth or good shp statblocks at that.

[rough basalt]

Bare rules on how to use them that don't work very well

[buoyant oar]

Ship combat being.

Don't.

[dusty grove]

Does anybody have a online campaign you need a person for

[uncut zenith]

I’m still upset they didn’t have “ship upgrades” like they did in Ghosts of Saltmarsh

[feral fulcrum]

grumbles They had perfectly good stuff to draw on from Ghosts of Saltmarsh and they didn't even bother

[rough basalt]

The random encounter tables for wild space and Astral Sea only being on the DM screen

[buoyant oar]

I maintain that that supplement was just so people would stop asking for it

[feral fulcrum]

Biggest waste of money, and an insult to Spelljammer fans.

[torpid hound]

#find-a-game

[uncut zenith]

In fairness, the screen comes with the books, so at least it’s not another accessory you have to buy

[rough basalt]

The people who made spelljammer when the new guy in charge orders a proper spelljammer book to update the options and make it a proper setting: NO!!! (Their worst nightmare, work)

[warped topaz]

im planning on running light of xaryxis after i wrap up vecna lives, but only have xarixys take the role of the first "arc", then i might do strahd, but IN SPACE (IN SPACE... SPACE... space... pace... ace.... ce... e......)

[rough basalt]

Light of Xarxys trying to emulate Flash Gordon with encouraging the dm to leave off on "what will happen next on Spelljammer?! Adventures in Space!" On random events

[uncut zenith]

I mean Light of Xaryxis was kind of designed for that reason. Once you’re done, you just keep going with a homebrew campaign. A lot of the adventure modules are written with a paragraph at the end of the book with some ideas for how to keep going

[tender fossil]

The biggest issue they had with spell jammer is if you bought it for the player options you had the adventure book in the monster book that you didn't really need

And the fact that they had absolutely no rules for ship to ship combat was just another nail in the coffin

[buoyant oar]

One thing I would really like to see return is Dragon Mag. It is small bitesized content released semi regularly.

There is so many lore dumps, adventures, and monsters that only were ever printed in Dragon.

Arcadia filled that void for a while. But now that MCDM does not do 5e its over. But there really isn't anything like Dragon right now.

[warped topaz]

if you want a more heavy sci fi campaign setting, id suggest looking at Legends of Avantris' Neon Odyssey kickstarter releasing later this year, you can become a vip now to gain discord access

[meager fractal]

You get the option to play two classes at once, which two are you playing

[tender fossil]

I would love to see Dragon magazine back in print. And dungeon

Paizo dragon unfortunately was a shell of the original magazine

[buoyant oar]

I even liked Dragon + the digital only supplement. Heck, dndbeyond is the perfect place for something like that to exist

I know I would pay an addition 50% of my annual DDB sub to have content like Dragon

[rough basalt]

Spelljammer imo is definitely their worst product of the 2020s

[undone rain]

Paladin and cleric

[obtuse stratus]

We doing gestalt here?

[warped topaz]

its my favourite bc of sentimental value and love for the setting, but in terms of info provided yeah its pretty bad

[obtuse stratus]

Face and Necro

[meager fractal]

Planescape was pretty bad

[warped topaz]

why do they KEEP. MESSING. UP. MULTIVERSE. TRAVEL.

btw calling the great wheel and other cosmologies "multiverse" instead of "universe" is ridiculously dumb

[buoyant oar]

So Planescape was equitable to the Original Planescape boxed set. In terms of size.

Problem is with the exception of FR WotC rarely returns to settings. So compared to all of 2e its bad but compared to the OG boxed set its good.

[warped topaz]

what about paldin and warlock?

paladin*

[rough basalt]

Ye WotC is an FR company first

Even then it took till now for them to give FR a good setting guide for 5e

Beforehand it was just "buy all the FR modules so you can run games in their areas"

[buoyant oar]

And the last fr setting book was done by a third party

[rough basalt]

A lot depends on how the new team handles the new ravenloft book

[warped topaz]

the only books ive been showing interest in recently is third party

[rough basalt]

Cause regular 5e had one really good setting guide (Eberron)

[warped topaz]

i need to get my hands on crooked moon, neon odyssey, and Zamans guide fast

[stoic haven]

Do we use multiclassing rules as normal, or what would I like to see be better?

[rough basalt]

So the FR ones may be 5.5s fluke

[stoic haven]

Because a Warlock druid interests me

[buoyant oar]

It was not the ancient Greek inspired setting that that has a bunch of islands with no lore on them?

[stoic haven]

Theros

[rough basalt]

Theros is cool, and introduced one of my favorite type of actions that they abandoned

[hidden spindle]

Rogue Warlock

[stoic haven]

I love theros

[obtuse stratus]

What is with the "not Ti-" guys 🙁

[buoyant oar]

The map of theros just feels so empty

[warped topaz]

chuckles warlock

[rough basalt]

Cause you should buy it cause it's Greek stuff you don't need content for it. Rule of cool.

[buoyant oar]

Dm I would like to rage

[rough basalt]

There was definitely some surprise with the FR books

"Wait. It has content? And actual information? This is impossible"

[woven flint]

It's an ongoing joke
there's A chill dm in the server named Ti-Moth about a few of us hav his sever tag

[buoyant oar]

I was honestly aghast that Ed Greenwood was mentioned let alone celebrated.

[obtuse stratus]

Danke!

[rough basalt]

The old guard when they saw Ed credited and celebrated now that they're gone collapse on their knees noooo

[buoyant oar]

And the fact that for the first time in 20 years the FR Wiki which has been used in both official books and bg3 was acknowledged.

That is the first time Wizards has ever acknowledged the FR Wiki

[stoic haven]

Its a running joke from a while ago

[obtuse stratus]

I live there when doing D&D

[maiden hamlet]

im looking at monk levels and it says "Hit Points at Higher Levels: 1d8 (or 5) + your Constitution modifier per monk level after 1st", does this mean i can choose to roll or just take the 5+modifier?

[rough basalt]

Depends on what your dm says

Some do rolled hp, some do average, some do max.

[maiden hamlet]

thanks
also if this isnt the chat for these more basic monk questions lemme know and ill move to new comers

[glass granite]

Newcomers probably would be better

[buoyant oar]

And the Wiki Guys had no idea.

Eric Menge of Baldman games who ran all of the AL stuff for Moonshae was fully expecting all of the work he poured into Moonshae to be retconned out of existence as late as GenCon last year.

But the new FR guys canonizes most of the stuff they made. Like Rusting

[maiden hamlet]

ill start doing that 07

[woven flint]

You can choose to roll or take the average if your dm allows

Some dms even allow you to take max hp per level

[rough basalt]

I actually do have some decent hopes for the books this year.

[buoyant oar]

Me too. I let the team know in the survey that I have not been this hopeful for DnD since the v3.5 days

[rough basalt]

The new corebooks made me happy, the FR books made me happy, the Eberron being cheaper than usual and being a nice snack to add to the Last War book makes me happy

[obtuse stratus]

Thanks! Also great to see I'm not the only AuDHD/BP around ❤️

[stoic haven]

Oh yea ^^

[feral fulcrum]

Hell has frozen over?

[knotty vine]

one thing that i love doing as a dm against power gamers is instead of kicking them from my table or making all encounter harder i just make combat easier

[feral fulcrum]

That sounds like it'd probably mess with the fun of the other players for no particular reason

[knotty vine]

the other players dont enjoy combat for whatever reason

i got the weirdest table monday

[crimson gulch]

power gamers dont bother me, because most of them are wrong about the rules, and long adventurng days bring them in line with the rest of the party

[feral fulcrum]

That's fine in that case, but I think it's a very poor habit to go out of your way to annoy/punish one player by potentially messing with all the others. Instead of just...having a discussion with the problem player.

[knotty vine]

annoying easy sounds very funny

[thorn wedge]

Depends on what level of power gaming tbh.

Strong builds are cool, ones that abuse some niche rule no one ever thinks of or stalls the party so they can have more prep time to do whatever bs strategy they’ve cooked up are miserable.

[knotty vine]

can someone tell me why one of the encounter in COS is SPOILERS AHEAD ||a bunch a tree people like i think around 15-20||

[obtuse stratus]

Ungh powergaming. So it's cool to have all these builds people think are awesome, but I learned in like 2017 not to invite them to my groups with new players. 8 times they came in with crazy builds and killed the tables

Not so bad post 2020 because they can find great groups where it works, but it didnt with all the new players and casuals

[thorn wedge]

Strahd got into evil gardening

[knotty vine]

there called ||trenets|| or something like that

[feral fulcrum]

||Treants,|| you mean?

[knotty vine]

yeah them

why are there so many through

[lyric viper]

Perhaps ask in #1029833015423143957

[knotty vine]

ah

[lyric viper]

Adventure Spoilers should be avoided outside the forum for them (Thank you for using spoiler curtains though!)

Psst, Spoilers folk.

[knotty vine]

i really like those Aartuk Elder things from spell finders

such a weird plant

[feral fulcrum]

I guess I'll wait a few hours to mention any monster vaguely related to COS then :V

[idle oar]

Or take it to #1029833015423143957 if you;re discussing CoS

[knotty vine]

omg helina's guide part 2 is out?!

[idle oar]

Yes

[obtuse stratus]

So about them Ropers.

[knotty vine]

might buy it

[feral fulcrum]

I wasn't discuss COS, just espousing a like for one monster over the other.

[lyric viper]

I put one up a chimney once and had it drag PCs up the tunnel to it.

My players were not very pleased with me. >.>

[knotty vine]

lol

[humble cairn]

Reverse Santa!

[obtuse stratus]

Was this a Holiday Adventure?

[tall forge]

Soon, i can murderize my players….

[flint ledge]

Helloooo everyone!

[lyric viper]

Fun how you both had the same idea.

[feral fulcrum]

Inb4 they roll great on iniative and immediately cripple your encounter.

[lyric viper]

No, just a regular Sunday of 'How can I eat the players PCs'

[tall forge]

Thats why my encounter has +99 to dex

[feral fulcrum]

Giant Crabs are a criminally undertilized monster

[obtuse stratus]

Okay, you can have a fortune cookie then

[knotty vine]

i still think its cool that the only stat that you can get to 30 without being immortal is strength

[obtuse stratus]

Isnt there a long standing history of that in the game, though?

[knotty vine]

kinda but not really

[feral fulcrum]

You can get any stat to 30 provided you find enough of the various Tomes/Manuals of X

[knotty vine]

thoes take around 100 years to get there power back

[thorn wedge]

You’d need more than 1

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but if you find 10 of the things that's not an issue :V

[thorn wedge]

Or to be older than dirt

[feral fulcrum]

Hence why I said "Find enough of the things."

[polar mortar]

Play as an elf

[thorn wedge]

But is theoretically possible

[knotty vine]

elfs only live up to 750

[obtuse stratus]

That reminds me, I need to figure out what the modifiers are for higher ability scores in B/X (with 1e characteristics on some things). I'd hate to have someone with 18 strength get a +2 higher and get nothing

[polar mortar]

You get 7 uses out of it

[thorn wedge]

+2 per century, so if you started at 20 you’d only need 500 years

[knotty vine]

thats not a 30 in any stat through

[obtuse stratus]

Use the clone spell, be younger, profit

[thorn wedge]

Only 500

[feral fulcrum]

Wizardry Wins again

[knotty vine]

wizard always win

i still think meta magic is way better through cause of all the buffs in 2024

[feral fulcrum]

Meh, I think Meta Magic has always been rather overated

[obtuse stratus]

Imagine encountering a Lich with the mentality of "yup, every 100 years, I use these to get better in all my stats"

[knotty vine]

like heightened being 2 points intead of 3

[knotty vine]

i mean when you can look at a spell and just change the way it works thats pretty good

the spell can only effect 1 creature: twinned spell

if you cast fire ball on that guy your ally could be hurt by it: careful spell

[feral fulcrum]

It's decent, but limited in usage, and not something I'd really enjoy actively building around.

[knotty vine]

that guy is resistance to fire damage: transmutation

[feral fulcrum]

And as for Transmuation. Looks at Scribe Wizard

[knotty vine]

it can only do that with spells of the same level

plus the rest of the subclass is ehh

[feral fulcrum]

And wouldn't you know it, Wizard has a giant spell list to draw from. :V Only the highest level slots are really that restricted in what damage types you get access to.

[knotty vine]

so does sorcerer

[obtuse stratus]

Don't play 3.5 then. I think it was the Incantrix that just went nuts on metamagic, and every time I hit epic ai'd start packing on as many autos as I could

[knotty vine]

not to metion using meta magic to make more spell slots

[obtuse stratus]

Oh it was Scribe Wizard, not Inscription, derp, wrong rules

[thorn wedge]

I’ve stuck to 2014 rules mostly so far so idk.

[severe fox]

didnt sorcerer also get that one buff

[obtuse stratus]

Been playing since PF1e soooo

[severe fox]

PF is so strange

[obtuse stratus]

1e wasn't

It was 3.5 with a bit more sense to it

[feral fulcrum]

it was 3.5 with the Serial numbers filed off, and with continued development.

[obtuse stratus]

2e got weird and I don't want anything to do with it

[severe fox]

the boss got em

[obtuse stratus]

I dunno, I really like what they did with the skills

[grizzled lance]

me and my many eyes are now here

[obtuse stratus]

Glad to have you

[polar mortar]

Hello

[woven flint]

Something Something
The Monkler

[rugged hawk]

Counterpoint, Throngler but the blades and hooks are Tiny Mimics that latch onto targets

[obtuse stratus]

furiously taking notes Uh huh and what else

[woven flint]

The throngler is a hammer, you maniac!

[rugged hawk]

The Throngler: https://i.imgur.com/16PzWhQ.png

[woven flint]

You're wrong.
To THRONGLE is to BONK!

[rugged hawk]

Um.... okay, Caltrop Maiden of Holding. Except instead of item storage, targets must make a save to avoid being sucked in and Caltroped to death.

Because it's basically a Vacuuming Bag of Holding full of Caltrops

[obtuse stratus]

Excellent

[woven flint]

Make the Monster Hunter Switch-Axe
A Greataxe that can turn into a greatsword
For the hell of it

[rugged hawk]

Vampiric Sword but it clings to its wielder's hand and sucks their blood instead of stealing health from enemy