dnd-discussion

[obtuse stratus]

Nope, if you grab every wolf, drake, etc I am making you feed and house them, lol. There were like 40 pets back there

[keen kestrel]

Monks struggle in the same way barbs do, they just don't do a lot outside of their niche. Fighters are just better martials overall, and paladins give way more utility

[ebon silo]

Hai friend

[cerulean monolith]

…dice? Oh yeah, sure, all the time. I’m personally a fan of adding a 21st side to the d20.

[woven flint]

Samathan! Howdy!

[stiff rock]

walking animal shelter

[keen kestrel]

Hello!

[obtuse stratus]

I thought it was cute

[limber trail]

If you wanna make martials shine in combat as a DM, consider running another combat encounter after your spellcasters have gone and burned their spell slots and you'll see just how good that fighter is. Spellcasters are only better because in a lot of games they can afford to drop all of their big spell slots in 2 fights.

[ebon silo]

Who doesnt pick predigitation every time

[obtuse stratus]

me

[ebon silo]

Gotta make ur team intro epic

[stiff rock]

i don't tend to stray too far from D20s to attack, save, etc, however i do like playing with bonuses and adv/disadv. i never invent new mechanics for rolls as it ends up getting confusing, but i do like messing with how certain mechanics are attained

[paper portal]

even in 20 encounter days if your casters manage their slots correctly they'll outdo martials but yeah if you have players prone to dropping every slot as soon as they see an enemy this'll definitely force them to be a bit more wise with their spending

[stiff rock]

i knew a DM who had a monster that would roll d12s in place of d20s for attacks - that mixed with a bunch of other bonuses made it really confusing and irritating for us as players as they'd be rolling 4d12 on an attack roll and for some reason it would be a crit and none of us really understood why

[paper portal]

yeah thats kinda nonsense lol

[keen kestrel]

If your spellcasters actually do correct builds, it's easy enough to only need say one spell per battle to almost completely win

[paper portal]

if you wanna use different dice for things go play a different game

[stiff rock]

that's what i said when it happened and it led to me getting removed from the game lol

[paper portal]

probably for the best tbh

[stiff rock]

agreed

[ebon silo]

Question do u guys like a dm that rolls dices for attack damage or one that always uses the average

[limber trail]

True, but then you give players a chance to think more about their build and make some smart choices and at that point, they're shining not because of their class but because they're using it better

[west hearth]

Simply making a whole new way of adding up the skills and background for more proficiency bonus

I'm planning to make a whole new system for my friends to understand the game in a simple way, and also taking note I'm not an official good DM
I only focus on setting a good story 😅

[stiff rock]

i've never not rolled for attacks and damage

[limber trail]

Either has their benefits. I understand both arguments. I roll personally.

[ebon silo]

My dm right now rolls for hit but always uses the average for damage

[stiff rock]

i think the way 5e does it is already pretty fine

[paper portal]

yeah especially for players who arent big into optimizing adding a couple more encounters to days will work wonders

[stiff rock]

but i see why it would want to be streamlined for DMs/players who care more about roleplay than stats and combat

[cerulean monolith]

Yeah, that’s fine. It speeds things up a lot and is perfectly RAW

[limber trail]

the average is printed right there for a reason

[ebon silo]

Means he always hitting semi hard

46 damage a hit on a 3 hit attack monster and im crying on the floor

[cerulean monolith]

No it means he’s always hitting average

[limber trail]

I don't know of any monster that averages 46 damage in a regular multiattack

[paper portal]

of course just because something is allowed RAW doesnt make it a good idea

[paper portal]

tarrasque probably lol

[limber trail]

nah they're like 30

[stiff rock]

46 damage per hit, or total?

[ebon silo]

Playing vecna eve of ruin

[stiff rock]

oh per hit i didn't read it

[limber trail]

Not even, their attacks deal 36, 28, and 23 damage

[paper portal]

😭 is this dm just taking max damage on everything

[stiff rock]

either your DM is using some crazy homebrew or is definitely reading something wrong

[limber trail]

Homebrew

[stiff rock]

maybe they read 4d6 as 46 lol

[ebon silo]

I think it was 36 sorry

[paper portal]

36 is literally a tarrasque lmao

[ebon silo]

Still hurts

[stiff rock]

is there a tarrasque in any official modules?

[tender fossil]

You'd have to go back to TSR

[paper portal]

oh wait vecna also deals 36 so if you were fighting the big man himself that fits

[torpid hound]

It's too strong for campaigns that aren't high enough level

[stiff rock]

the only place outside of the mm i can think of a tarrasque being actually encounterable is the tier 4 random urban encounters in xgte

[tender fossil]

It's used more of a plot device. If you bring him out it's time to make new characters

[ebon silo]

It was an astral dreadnaught

[obtuse stratus]

So I have this OC who is a necromancer because her cat died. Totally doesn't really care about anything but getting her cat back, gets it at some point, then her cat dies of old age and the quest starts again. Needless to say she becomes a god for her cat

[tender fossil]

They forgot to make rules for him for like 20 years

[paper portal]

except if you have flight ofc lol

[limber trail]

Yeah not a lot of official campaigns are taken to level 20, and also generally aren't that hard, so they rarely go up to a CR 30 height.

[paper portal]

ah yep thatd do it

[stiff rock]

i don't actually know of any 5.5e modules besides heroes of the borderlands

all the ones i'm familiar with are 2014

[torpid hound]

In that context you say god with lowercase g

[ebon silo]

An astral dreadnaught at lvl 12 my dm is out of his mind

I love him

[obtuse stratus]

happy now

[limber trail]

There haven't been any 2024 adventure modules yet in the classic sense. The first one is coming in Arcana Unleashed

[paper portal]

really all casters become a good as soon as you hit level 17 so anything past that is pretty easy

[stiff rock]

do we know what it'll be about?

[limber trail]

The other ones are starter sets or adventure anthologies

[limber trail]

Thay, my understanding is

[stiff rock]

i was under the assumption the arcana stuff for this year would be new subclasses

[lavish flame]

Dragon Delves wym

[stiff rock]

thay!!!!!!

[limber trail]

That's technically an adventure anthology which is I guess a different thing

[stiff rock]

thay was my favourite part of ToD and the d&d movie

the borderlands stuff is an anthology too right? i've not played it

[lavish flame]

I figure if Heroes of the Borderlands (a starter set) counts, then surely an adventure anthology should also

[lavish flame]

no, its basically a town, wilderness, and a dungeon. there's not really an anthology of adventures there

[stiff rock]

Oh lol

[limber trail]

Okay so I was also getting to that, which is that I don't fully count borderlands either? I'm really talking about like, long, campaign length prewritten adventures - curse of strahds, icewind dales, etc.

[lavish flame]

yeah, we the last one of them was kinda a while ago

[stiff rock]

Yeah ithink anthologies like keys from the golden vault, dragon delves, yawning portal etc should be considered different from the campaign style books

[lavish flame]

Vecna Eve of Ruin iirc

[exotic ice]

Hey yall

[limber trail]

They're classified as Adventure Anthologies vs Adventure Expansions

[paper portal]

i rly havent been paying attention to 24 stuff for obvious reasons lol

[paper portal]

hello the3 rAt g0d

[stiff rock]

Ah okay I never really knew the name for expansions. Just called them campaigns lol

[lavish flame]

V:EoR was May '24, so we've been about a year and a half without a multi-level single-story adventure

almost 2 years

[stiff rock]

Hopefully the next one is good

I may have agreed to run curse of strahd for my lgs so i'm not sure what to expect from it

[lavish flame]

The only ones I know about that are in the pipeline is a Thay adventure (presumably Arcana Unleashed: Deadfall) and a Venger adventure

[stiff rock]

What's venger?

[exotic ice]

Mwehehe

[paper portal]

what are you scheming

[obtuse stratus]

Gosh I really love Thay

[lavish flame]

Venger is the villain from the 1980s D&D cartoon. He's featured on the cover of the 5.5e DMG

[exotic ice]

How to traumatize my players

[lavish flame]

They've been talking about doing an adventure featuring Venger for like 2 years now

[stiff rock]

Ohhh the red dude

I forgot his name and thought you were talking about some place called Venger

Odd that they put him of all people on the newest edition's DMG rather than some of the more well-known names

[minor cargo]

No, Venger is what you add to your fries. Obviously.

[lavish flame]

I'm pretty surprised that the 5.5e books, as 50th anniversary celebrations, didn't feature the iconic characters and villains from D&D history on the cover art. I'm surprised that Tiamat and Vecna weren't on the covers.

[woven flint]

Venger is Venger!!!

[crimson gulch]

Lolth on the alt art dmg I hope was foreshadowing

[paper portal]

waiting for 2024 rules to get a book called "tasha's cauldron of everything" that fixes everything

[stiff rock]

Mordenkainen's guide to cauldrons?

[fair summit]

Tasha's Cauldron of Even More Things

[tender fossil]

They used characters from the LGN toy line though they put a helmet on strongheart the paladin. They had their own module back in the day with quest for the heartstone

[stiff rock]

Wonder when we'll get that one

[paper portal]

perfect

[woven flint]

Bigbys Glory of Game Balance

[tender fossil]

And they featured heavily in the adventure Red arrow Black shield

[limber trail]

The 2027 Edition of the PHB (5.75e)

[woven flint]

5.5.5 E

[paper portal]

fizban's dragon of guides

[limber trail]

Bahamut's Guide to Dungeons and Dragons

[stiff rock]

Vecna even moreso because of all the stranger things stuff lately - Venger may have been to convince older crowds to try the new edition though?

[paper portal]

bahamut's guide to just dragons, not dungeons

[woven flint]

You know, I wonder why we never see Fizban and Bahamut in the same room

They must be secret lovers!

[stiff rock]

We're yet to get a Melf or Otiluke book yet

[limber trail]

Bahamuts Guide to Dungeons

[stiff rock]

They've both got named spells

[limber trail]

Otiluke's Guide to not being written about

[stiff rock]

Melf's guide to acid

[limber trail]

Logan

[woven flint]

Otilukes Dead, I believe, I dunno why he'd be writing a book lol

[tender fossil]

I'm still waiting for bargle's big book of badness

[limber trail]

(Nobody will get that joke and I'm okay with that)

[stiff rock]

I'd love to know what the 2024 expanded rules naming scheme will be

[limber trail]

Otiluke's Guide to Retroactive Lichdom

[lavish flame]

In some fairness, so was Bigby. He got better though

[stiff rock]

As the 2014 ones were all 'this person's guide to this thing'

[lavish flame]

I'm desperately praying for "Player's Handbook II" and "Monster Manual III"

[woven flint]

Yeah, Rary killed Tenser and Otiluke

[paper portal]

when are we getting the monster's manual

[stiff rock]

With all new classes like the Fighter II

[lavish flame]

i think thats the Player's Handbook

[paper portal]

it's the exact same but with a d8 hit dice

[lavish flame]

you joke but ppl want Warlord and that may as well just be this

[stiff rock]

I'd love an almost-rulebook of how to actually run specific monsters rather than just the statistics. Ironically enough, like a monster's manual

[woven flint]

Rary ALSO killed Bigby, I believe it was the events where Bigby was reincarnated as a Gnome

[paper portal]

(the wizard II gets double the amount of spell slots)

[limber trail]

I was literally just typing this. I really wish monster manuals included some text about combat strategies, key things to be aware of, maybe even decent monster pairings

[lavish flame]

nah, the event that caused Bigby to be turned into a Gnome is from Giants. We get art depicting Bigby's death there

Frost Giant boulder squished him

[stiff rock]

Absolutely, combats are so much more interesting if you actually play the monsters as they'd naturally play if it were real

[woven flint]

Then I guess nobody cared about Tenser and Otiluke getting killed 💀

[empty thicket]

(The fighter || get the double of attacks and weapon masteries and 2 extra turns)

[limber trail]

Rary got reduced to the telepathy guy and I guess that really did a number on his sense of self control

[uncut zenith]

Yeah iirc Bobby was killed by a giant’s boulder, then he got Reincarnated into a gnome

[paper portal]

nah wotc would never give martials anything useful

[stiff rock]

Bobby really got around

[woven flint]

I was saying apparently Rary ALSO killed Bigby once, then

[tender fossil]

Considering he came back in his normal form thanks to a variety of spells after getting ganked by vecna I don't buy the gnome thing

[paper portal]

who's rary? like the guy from rary's telepathic bond?

[limber trail]

I assume as such

I have no idea who rary is outside of the fact that he made that spell

[woven flint]

Rary the Betrayer.
He was one of the Ten Wizards aligned with Mordenkainen

[cursive fjord]

So a buddy of mine is starting an Icewindale Peaks campaign soon, and I dont really know what the theme of the campaign even is, can someone give me the spark notes of what its about so I can make a character?

[empty thicket]

The skill to catch these hands//Axes//Swords//hammers//Arrows//bolts//any throwable weapon// the monk dwarf

[lavish flame]

Yup! Here's Bigby's account:

One of my first encounters with giants was also the last thing I did at my old friend (and former foe) Mordenkainen’s side. He claims to this day that no cleric was available to restore me to life, only a druid, but he can’t hide his smirk when he says it.
The adjacent page has art depicting Mordenkainen and a person's legs sticking out from underneath a boulder. In the background is a large Frost Giant.

[stiff rock]

"Beneath the unyielding night sky, you stand before a towering glacier and recite an ancient rhyme, causing a crack to form in the great wall of ice. Beyond this yawning fissure, the Caves of Hunger await. What fantastic secrets and treasures are entombed in the sunless heart of the glacier, and what will their discovery mean for the denizens of Icewind Dale?"

[vestal mesa]

Hi quick question, if im a 3ft human druid can i summon a deer with find familiar n mount it??

[tender fossil]

If your DM allows deer mounts.

[cursive fjord]

Sadly that doesnt really tell me much

[obtuse stratus]

Farewell my wolf friends from Cragmaw hideout, you will be missed, enjoy the 15 goblins and bugbear worth of meat

[paper portal]

they really superbuffed find familiar in 24 huh

[empty thicket]

with that size summon an otter and ride it into the battle

or an eagle too

[lavish flame]

Is this 3ft Human actually Small size? If so, then yes because your Mount is a size larger than you. If not, then no.

[stiff rock]

What's your character doing at the really awesome glacier? Try asking your DM for more info i suppose - I've not played icewild dale, I just copied the description lol

[empty thicket]

A shortbow for him is a longbow

[vestal mesa]

Yeah 2-4ft is a small human

[empty thicket]

Bro armor is cheaper for the save in materials

25% discount for using 25% less materials

[vestal mesa]

Do familiars have their own initiative?

[paper portal]

yes

[limber trail]

They do. I wouldn't use one as a mount, you're essentially just using movement and actions on different turns.

There's not a lot of benefit to it

[paper portal]

if you're riding it i assume it would work by mount rules instead and act on your turn

[stiff rock]

I'm not sure if mounting a familiar would let you use mount rules for it

[vestal mesa]

So if im mounted i cant move untill its turn

[scenic zinc]

Narratively? Sure. Mechanically? That depends on if you chose the size of small.

[vestal mesa]

Yeah

[paper portal]

idk lemme check the rules

[limber trail]

Mount rules only let you use its movement on your turn if it's been trained to accept a rider, which a familiar wouldn't be.

[vestal mesa]

Oooo

[scenic zinc]

That's an interesting assumption on your part.

Who says a familiar couldn't be trained as a mount?

[paper portal]

actually im not seeing anything like that in the 2024 rules which is kinda weird

[limber trail]

Nothing says it has been either

[crimson gulch]

The dm are the table as the rules don't specify

[lavish flame]

Icewind Dale is an adventure set in the biting frozen north of The Icewind Dale. In recent history, winter hasn't ended, instead the permafrost is only getting worse. Adventurers in this adventure have to figure out the source of this permafrost and stop it, but when the frost leaves, new threats can finally emerge. If you care about wilderness survival and helping out regular people, this is the adventure for you.

[limber trail]

I have the 2024 rules up looking right at it, in chapter 1, combat, under mounted combat.

[scenic zinc]

You're the only one asserting it can't be.

[paper portal]

ah of course why did i check the mounts section and not the combat section

[scenic zinc]

Which there's nothing saying that other than you instead of the system.

[vestal mesa]

Ok soz one more thing if i was to mount the deer and my dm let me use its movement on my turn would a moon druid really want to go up to an enemy and melee it??

[paper portal]

"You can control a mount only if it has been trained to accept a rider" yeah idk why a telepathically bonded familiar couldnt count for this, even if it doesnt by default (which would be weird) you could train it to

[scenic zinc]

That's entirely up to you.

[limber trail]

I'll amend my statement then and say that it's possible, but I will once again say that nothing in the find familiar spell does say it has any kind of mount training, it's entirely up to the DM.

[paper portal]

mounts are useful for things other than going into melee, namely escaping melee lol

[scenic zinc]

It doesn't need to come with it. You can train it after the fact.

[lavish flame]

tbh if a PC of mine was Small and wished to use Find Familiar to give urself a Medium mount, I'd be down for it. I figure a Familiar is bonded to you well enough to accept you as a rider.

[scenic zinc]

As long as it doesn't die, it's the same thing.

[paper portal]

id argue that a familiar would come pre-trained but that's very much up to the dm yeah

[scenic zinc]

Sure, it could. But that's up to the dm.

[vestal mesa]

@scenic zinc @paper portal yeah if i was surrounded could i use the deer to come up to me mount it n peace out with being attacked

[obtuse stratus]

Anyone ever consider using more like, you know, improved familiars a-la 3.5?

[paper portal]

no cus until youre riding it it acts on its own turn, you need to be on it the whole time to be able to disengage

[meager fractal]

Deer aren't used to be using as a mount I'd advise trying that with some sort of goat instead.

[vestal mesa]

Aaa a thanks

[paper portal]

5.5 familiars are already really good

[obtuse stratus]

Like who doesn't want a pixie dragon sleeping on their shoulders

[meager fractal]

there's a spell coming in the new arcana book that improves your familiar

[vestal mesa]

Haha is that a name pun @meager fractal

[lavish flame]

We're getting a spell in the upcoming Arcana Unleashed thats basically just Find Cooler Familiar thats 2nd or 3rd level

[vestal mesa]

Do goats have disengage

Lol

[lavish flame]

everyone does

[paper portal]

disengage is an action you can take on your turn, any mount can do it

[limber trail]

all creatures can take the disengage action

[hot pond]

If i want to play with my friend and none of us want’s to be a DM do we have to join someone ?

[meager fractal]

goats aren't really good at getting out of trouble I'm afraid, just getting into it

[paper portal]

yep!

[hot pond]

how 🤔

[scenic zinc]

Cooler, Frieza's brother, can be a mount now? Cool!

[paper portal]

theres channels here to find games, try #looking-for-players

[vestal mesa]

Aww so im confused if the deer has that auto disengae ability why should i use it if all of them can just use it

[hot pond]

Ty

[lavish flame]

Yeah, if neither of you are willing to be DM, you'll have to find someone else who is. The game needs a referee. You can find a DM using our #find-a-game section

[obtuse stratus]

In D&D yeah. Even just running a module isn't really doable 2 on 0 so... Now in BECMI, you could probably use a CYOA

[vestal mesa]

Does a mounts action take up my action or are they two different turns

[paper portal]

two different turns

but they happen at the same time unless its a wild mount

[obtuse stratus]

If the mount disengages and I don't... AoO?

[lavish flame]

A deer automatically disengages. Other creatures need to use their Action to Disengage, preventing them from doing other Actions (like Dashing or Dodging)

[paper portal]

nope! mounts can disengage for you that's part of why theyre so good

[scenic zinc]

'14 or '24?

[meager fractal]

2nd level rouges can disengage as a bonus action

[lavish flame]

at some point you're just saying jargon to someone who doesn't understand its significance

[obtuse stratus]

Go Greased Lightning! Gosh I am riding a lizard to the grave!

[obtuse stratus]

For some of us, this is how we grow. For others they just get confused, my bad

[vestal mesa]

Ok ok so could i be mounted on deer run up hit n run away without using disengage

But i wouldnt get to use the familiar action untill its initiative

[fossil hollow]

yes

[vestal mesa]

I sort of dont get that

[paper portal]

if you're mounted it takes its turn at the same time as you

[vestal mesa]

So its actions and bonus actions are right after mine

[paper portal]

well your dm can rule it the other way but that needs some specific stuff thats kinda a weird decision

[paper portal]

during

[obtuse stratus]

Yesterday was 70 (22ish C), today there are 2 inches of snow (6cm). I'm keeping this in mind for D&D

[vestal mesa]

Ok so can i walk up use familiars action to use help then use human action to hit bonus actions to hit then walk away with auto disengage

[meager fractal]

it was -40C yesterday, +4C today. Very nice improvement

[cursive fjord]

So I could make like a western themed character who got froze out of his town

[obtuse stratus]

You know what's great about -40? Same in both

[paper portal]

lucky, we're still getting 30 degree temps in autumn here

[scenic zinc]

The more you try to game out the scenario the less likely this channel is going to be able to give you a certain answer. Ask your dm.

[tawdry sentinel]

No, mount actions are only dash, disengage, dodge.

You'd also probably just get ready action smacked the next time you come in.

[vestal mesa]

Awww ok ok thas

[obtuse stratus]

Holy Moly! Thats NUTS.

[paper portal]

the weather is definitely my least favourite part of this country lol

[vestal mesa]

Thanks

[paper portal]

it's pretty much a rule that we get a 45 degree day every summer

[scenic zinc]

That's cold (i assume you mean Celsius. I'm being silly)

[vestal mesa]

If not mounted a find familiar beast can use help is that right like the owl ?

[obtuse stratus]

TBH we get... I need to check... 35 degree weeks here.

[paper portal]

it gets pretty chilly here too, ive heard canadians call our winters cold

[meager fractal]

hopefully all this snow cuts down on wildfires though I'm not optimistic

[stiff rock]

It's been strong winds and torrential rain all week here as well as low temps

I've not seen actual set snow since 2020

[paper portal]

rip

[fossil hollow]

unless youre in Minnesota and thereabout, doubt it

[paper portal]

australia lol

its mostly just cus we have really bad insulation

[fossil hollow]

... are they even canadian

[scenic zinc]

I mean the desert can get cold

[obtuse stratus]

Well dang, throw up some rock wool

[paper portal]

nah nobody lives in the desert here thats a great way to get cooked

[fossil hollow]

just dingos and small vermin

[scenic zinc]

I'm trying to help you lol

[obtuse stratus]

And my namesake

[paper portal]

and roos!

[fossil hollow]

-# wait, thats a thing?

[stiff rock]

I'm dying to move somewhere snowy

[obtuse stratus]

oxyuranus microlepidotus

[meager fractal]

I'm dying to move somewhere without snow tbh

[fossil hollow]

Its funny that i want to run Icewind Dale despite lving in Canada

[paper portal]

wanna come to aus?

[lavish flame]

When you say "western" do u mean like "Wild West"? I don't know if Clint Eastwood fits in the north pole. Your character is up to you, though having a problem with the cold is easier on the DM. I'd ask ur DM for what sort of character they want out of you, they're gonna have the clearest idea of what they want.

[tawdry sentinel]

This starts off relatively useful but then familiars do just get evaporated by any form of aoe. Or a random arrow because the enemy has nothing better to do.

They're also not free to summon, which may or may not be a problem early into your heroes career.

Still, it's a great spell. It is just not the answer to all of life's problems.

[paper portal]

a lot of people underestimate how cold it gets out in the desert there, cowboy gear was made to survive the cold just as much as the heat

[meager fractal]

I'm real keen to see the new battle familiar spell in Arcana. It's effectively eating up two of your spell slots so the battle portion is hopefully especially potent.

[paper portal]

considering how much they buffed find familiar between versions i think it could be insane ngl

[lavish flame]

I'm not talking about cowboys, I'm talking about the Wild West.

[cursive fjord]

Kinda i kinda of imagine a mining town orginally but then since the frost never lifted, the town got froze out and people either started dying or leaving.

[lavish flame]

Sounds fun! Asl your DM how this can best dovetail with the adventure, as some details may need to be adjusted due to some detail you don't yet know about.

[vestal mesa]

@tawdry sentinel cheers

Is the owl much better to just use help then fly way up or behind the party

[cursive fjord]

Now to figure out Mechinally if I wanna be a Ranger or a Gunslinger (3rd party class). Or a split of the 2

[uneven glen]

Any opinions on a multiclass out of Monk in 2024 rules?
Assuming that the character will max out around level 12-15

[remote wadi]

Heccin love the 2024 Gunslinger class

And someone actually wanting Ranger by choice??

[uneven glen]

Guy in a game I am playing chose Ranger.
It's their first foray back into DND for a while...

They aren't doing well.

[remote wadi]

Party comp?

[uneven glen]

Monk / Cleric / Ranger

Ranger's problem is the Monk (me) is always in the middle of everything, so he couldn't use Hail of Thorns

Pretty much the only thing he does now is shoot his bow, and then not do anything else.

I think he just needs to actually spend time optimizing, but he isn't willing to listen advice on fixing his PC

[lavish flame]

Tbh I wouldn't do it

[limber trail]

I don't think there's a very good case for it. Monks do really well in straight leveling.

What would you get out of a multiclass?

[lavish flame]

Monk benefits greatly from monoclassing, your litany of class features only get better as you level. Additionally, the extra Ki/Focus is always wanted. What are you actually aiming for in this decision?

Depending on ur specific goal, the advice might change

[remote wadi]

Not using Hail of Thorns? With a Monk nearby?

Something tells me they really underestimate monks...

[meager fractal]

always gotta shoot your monks

the results are usually pretty funny

[uneven glen]

Yeah... They apparently "Got rid of it because I can never use it".
And my reaction was "Did you bother asking if you could use it first? I guarantee you aren't going to hit me."

[hidden spindle]

1 Fighter - Fighting Style, Weapon Mastery, Martial Weapon Training, Armor Training, Second Wind

[uneven glen]

Not aiming for anything tbh.
I think my Monk monoclass as is pretty good as is. I was just curious if 2024 rules actually made multiclassing worth it at all in the general sense.

I am using a 2014 subclass though, because I loved the idea of it, lmao.

[lavish flame]

nah in 5.5, Multiclassing basically got nerfed

[uneven glen]

Why would I want armour training as a monk...?

You lose abilities wearing armour

[hidden spindle]

Just in case of Magic Armors. You lose some features but not all.

[uneven glen]

You lose the abilities that make monks, monks

[hidden spindle]

You can still make Unarmed Strikes

With STR.

[uneven glen]

And lose movement

[hidden spindle]

You don't need to put on armor

[uneven glen]

Not to mention at level 4, my AC is higher than most at level 4

[full willow]

Question I thought would be fun at my table so also asking it here:
If your character could make one law for the realm legal, what would it be? How much chaos can you legally cause lol

[cursive fjord]

I cant decide between 14 Goliath VS 24 Goliath

[lavish flame]

If '24, then '24 imo

[polar mortar]

Could always just make a Gunk

Gunslinger monk get gunslinger feat and sharp shooter

[uneven glen]

"I'm a healer, but... 🔫 "

[polar mortar]

EXACTLY

I like this guy

[limber trail]

Gunk my beloved

[uneven glen]

Gunner wasn't updated for 2024 rules

[fossil hollow]

can still be used with 2024

[hidden spindle]

"I'm a Monk, not a Fighter" 👉 👉

[meager fractal]

looks like critical hits are back on the menu!

[tired stone]

my player's lvl 4 barbarian has 75 HP

[meager fractal]

how?

[uneven glen]

Tough feat + Hill Dwarf?

[fossil hollow]

Tough + Dwarf maybe?

[uneven glen]

If they have Tough + Hill Dwarf the maximum Barb HP at level 4 would be 76

Assuming that they rolled max every level

With a +4 Con modifier

[obtuse stratus]

Maybe they randomly took Favored Class benefits

[uneven glen]

Isn't that a 3rd edition thing?

[obtuse stratus]

Look, I'm just spitballing.

[uneven glen]

Fair enough

[obtuse stratus]

But if they rolled HP, got high, for some weird reason thought they go favored class benefits, were a tough dwarf, and had +4 con

In which case it should be 5 lower at 70

[hushed mason]

Why are you even talking about it? @tired stone doesn't appear to be engaging...

[obtuse stratus]

Unless their sum with max roll was 15 at first level and they just kept adding 15 each level...

[hushed mason]

The benefit of a favored class is no XP penalty for multiclassing.

[tired stone]

tough 20 con insane hp rolls

[uneven glen]

Barb is d12 hit die.
Level 1-4 max is 12/level.
Total 48hp

Con modifier per level +4
+16hp

Hill Dwarf +1 per level
+4hp

Tough feat increases +2 per level
+8hp

=Total max possible 76hp

[uneven glen]

That would make more sense

[obtuse stratus]

Oh level 4... yeah that couldn't work either

[uneven glen]

But would only get them 60

[hushed mason]

They just explained how they did it...

[obtuse stratus]

So friggin weird. How do you roll 11/12/12 for hp

How?

[uneven glen]

So they aren't a Dwarf?

[obtuse stratus]

We're hanging on here by a thread

[uneven glen]

If they aren't a Dwarf, with 20 con giving them +5 that brings their max to 76 still.
So 75 means they rolled 12/11/12 for the next three levels

[hushed mason]

Sounds like you need something new to talk about.

[uneven glen]

Eh. Someone brings in something so outlandish like that, it's convo worthy

[uneven glen]

Why you gotta be a downer?

We're having fun with the absurdity

[meager fractal]

Dark Sun?

[hushed mason]

I guess I'm in a down mood.

[hushed mason]

Not that down of a mood.

[lavish flame]

Y'all take that survey? I'm a fan of them directly putting the community forward like this. This is nice

[obtuse stratus]

I feel you, so am I. The distraction was great though

[uneven glen]

?

[hushed mason]

There's some kind of user survey on D&DB

[obtuse stratus]

Oh, not a D&DB user, drat

[hushed mason]

Ironically, I learned about it through #dnd-elder-editions 😉

[uneven glen]

Ah. I tend not to use D&DB.
Their servers are trash...

[lavish flame]

There's a survey in #dnd-announcements from WOTC/DDB. Its only like 8 questions long and basically just asks you "What are your thoughts on WOTC" and "What are your thoughts on DDB"

[hushed mason]

Nor am I, since I don't play 5e.

[uneven glen]

Every time I've tried to look something up everything is so slow... And their mobile support sucks

[obtuse stratus]

Pinkertons. Money printer go brr.

[lavish flame]

There's a specific question in there that I was a particular fan of. It was basically "what can we do in the future that'd give you more confidence in us?"

[obtuse stratus]

Not sending Pinkertons

[meager fractal]

a beholder this time

[obtuse stratus]

At least that would have been thematic

[uneven glen]

Never using AI, period.

[paper portal]

based

[obtuse stratus]

Separating from the parasitic husk of Hasbro

[lavish flame]

im normally cool with pings but man cmon why do I gotta get a notification for this. you can send this to WOTC

[hushed mason]

Restoring all the 3e stuff that used to be on their website. 🙁

[uneven glen]

They'll never let it go unless someone overpays for it

[meager fractal]

Question for you

Do you prefer playing heroes, anti-heroes, or absolute disasters?

[obtuse stratus]

Um, characters

[uneven glen]

If those are the choices, then anti-hero usually

[obtuse stratus]

I think often antiheroes

[lavish flame]

I like heroes

Its just much easier to get the wheels spinning when you're a hero who generally wants to do good

[uneven glen]

The only characters who truely embody "Heroes" are Paladins IMO.
At least those who stick to their oath. lol

[obtuse stratus]

Necromancer go brr

[paper portal]

being heroic has nothing to do with your class

any class can be any kind of person

[tall forge]

I played a heroic necromancer once

[uneven glen]

You know many Necromancers who are Good aligned?

[tall forge]

They were the moral backbone of the party and had a no kill rule

[obtuse stratus]

They see me raisin'. They hatin'

[uneven glen]

"I brought your long dead brother and mother to help us!"

[tall forge]

They would have wanted to defend the lands

[obtuse stratus]

Why did did you alter my mom's appearance?

[tall forge]

If you wanna be super thorough, speak with dead each corpse to see if theyre ok with it 🤷

[uneven glen]

"I thought she looked a little sad with her jaw missing"

[lavish flame]

I mean yeah. You can ethically source remains. Animals just sorta leave them around

grab enough bones 'till you got a person

[tall forge]

Technically has to be a humanoid

[lavish flame]

people also get killed and eaten by animals

[obtuse stratus]

What about when you strap the bones together into a 100ft centipede of remains? Ethical maybe?

[tall forge]

Debatable on the ethical part

[paper portal]

frankensteining it is crazy lol

[tall forge]

Fun fact!

One humanoid body can make multiple zombies/skeletons!

[uneven glen]

If I get enough animal bones and arrange them right, I can make it LOOK humanoid

[obtuse stratus]

Just ask my WHFB Vampire Count army

[tall forge]

At least 2 per body, though i argue 3

(For medium creatures)

[uneven glen]

3 for sure.

• Skele
• Zombie
• Ghost/Spirit

[tall forge]

Animate dead doesnt make ghosts

[uneven glen]

Shhh

[fossil hollow]

Summon Undead does

[lavish flame]

well now that'll depend on what you use it for. terrorizing the countryside? 100% A-okay. Represents you in court? Death penalty for both of you.

[tall forge]

But you CAN just sew an arm to a skull, and have it hop around

[paper portal]

hii ti moth :3

[fossil hollow]

hii

[obtuse stratus]

Eh, time for bed. Night everyone, night everyone who gets on later. Night meowmeow

[tall forge]

And the flesh golem you make out of the rotting corpses doesnt really need structure, as proven by skeletons

So, you have a zombie made of flesh

Skeleton out of most of the bones

And a small creature made of a mix of “unneeded” parts from the body

[lavish flame]

I have a hard time believing in a zombie without bones in it

[fossil hollow]

i raise the Boneless

[lavish flame]

if you take the bones for the skeleton, you just have non-rigid meat for the zombie

[uneven glen]

Necromancer has a pile of bodies in the corner of their house.
Visitor comes over and asks what they're for?

"Spare parts"

[tall forge]

And yet you get a skeleton without any muscles?

The magic clearly is doing a lot of heavy lifting to begin with, i think it’s reasonable to make a flesh golem

[fossil hollow]

sad Boneless noises

[tall forge]

Which my character calls “Marshal Meat”

Seargant Skelly are the skeletons

[lavish flame]

I can believe in a skeleton without muscles, can't you?

[tall forge]

I totally can

[lavish flame]

Now, when you imagine a zombie without any bones in it, that isn't quite so right, right?

[tall forge]

Its a large flesh golem

[fossil hollow]

cries even harder in Boneless noises

[uneven glen]

Did you hear the one about the Necromancer who tried to get his raised Skeleton to laugh?
The Skeleton didn't find him very Humerus.

[tall forge]

I have a Boneless in my basement

[tall forge]

The skeleton just isnt a Funny bone

[echo meteor]

i was reading “true polymorph” and i find it funny that you can turn a piece of poop into a person semi permanently, then they turn back into poop when dispelled.

[polar mortar]

Necromancer motto: "Death is temporary, Employment is forever."

[uneven glen]

Aww

We work to earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to give
Ourselves the right to buy
Ourselves the right to live
To earn the right to die

[echo meteor]

if you turn a poop into a person using true polymorph… does it have a soul? can you feed it to a phylactery? is it okay to torture it?

[uneven glen]

No

You don't need to have a soul to live

[eager marsh]

in order: Most likely not, no, and that's up to you

[echo meteor]

the spell is funny

[uneven glen]

Look at Mind Flayers

[echo meteor]

is a human though.

something would b missing?

[lavish flame]

True Polymorph doesn't say anything about providing a soul to the target, so I'm gonna say it is incapable of doing so

[eager marsh]

being human and having a soul are separate things

[echo meteor]

could it get a job? become a fighter, cleric, mage?

[uneven glen]

Unlikely a Cleric I'd say

[eager marsh]

lore wise 'souls' and how they are 'created' is DM discretion because iirc the recycling system for them isnt super clear on purpose

[uneven glen]

But a mage or fighter probably

[echo meteor]

so some would say it DOES have a soul. which means a lich can fuel its phylactery with poop

[fossil hollow]

what

[eager marsh]

Only a DM with little regard for worldbuilding coherency

[uneven glen]

^

[echo meteor]

i mean, by the time you’re level 17 wizard… your literally bending the world with your spells

[eager marsh]

That doesn't change what I said. Only Wish can restore a destroyed soul explicitly per every effect that destroys one. so True Poly cant create a soul naturally. Simulacrum also lacks a soul and Acererak's simulacrum had to do some very funky magic shenanigans to become the 'real one'

[echo meteor]

interesting

soul is so vague though

[eager marsh]

real acererak got stupid and was destroyed so his simulacrum showed up called him an idiot then became the real one

[echo meteor]

it doesnt actually do anything

[uneven glen]

Wish isn't even all powerful.
For example with the DoMT. If you draw Donjon or The Void, wish cannot fix it. Just help a little.

[echo meteor]

so, a lich that loses his phylactery loses his soul?

[eager marsh]

a soul is deliberately unclearly defined for DM ease

[echo meteor]

but his body is still alive

[eager marsh]

they're destroted imediately body or not

[uneven glen]

Physically, yes

[echo meteor]

no, he physically still exists. even if his soul is destroyed

[eager marsh]

actually no...iirc if they can create a new one before their current body is destroyed, they're fine

his soul isnt in teh phylactery

it's bound to it

[echo meteor]

it is in the phylactery

[eager marsh]

the soul is remote piloting teh current body

like Magic Jar

[uneven glen]

The Lich doesn't have to be in possession of it for it to work.

[eager marsh]

thats why they can save themselves by remaking it

[uneven glen]

Correct

They can have more than one at a given time as well I beleive

[eager marsh]

That's usually difficult iirc but Acererak vbuilt different

[echo meteor]

oh they changed it

it’s just an anchor now

[uneven glen]

Typically as well if someone else gets their hands on the Phylactery, they could impose their will on the Lich.
Not going to always succeed, but they can try

[eager marsh]

its like holding Davy Jones' heart from the pirates of the carribean movies. just that its more durable

[echo meteor]

not really, the phylactery doesn’t actually contain the liches soul, it simply anchors it to the world

[eager marsh]

I didnt mean it 100% literally the same. I was refering to the imposing will thing as a metaphor. im the one that told you the soul isnt in it

[uneven glen]

WAY more durable.
Lmao

[echo meteor]

yaa, but now that i know… the implication is that holding phylactery doesn’t let you control the lich

the soul is in the lich… not ur phylactery

[eager marsh]

It doesn't. Just as Davy's heart doesnt. it's literally just leverage

[uneven glen]

You physically hold potentially the only anchor to the material world that the Lich has. And it's a direct connection to their very soul.

You don't think that they would listen to you?

[echo meteor]

destroying it doesn’t destroy the lich and the lich can make a new one

[eager marsh]

making them isnt an effortless act for starters

[uneven glen]

^

[echo meteor]

they can also cast clone using wish

[uneven glen]

They can't just say "I want a new one now" and have it show up.
It's very hard to make

[echo meteor]

they can’t straight up cast clone because they don’t have the flesh as material

[eager marsh]

a lich cannot utilize clone because that would require moving their soul also they aernt living

[prime basin]

True, but if they let you destroy their phylactery and they end up dying....I mean?

[eager marsh]

being living is a requirement for clone

[echo meteor]

so? they ready have their soul

[eager marsh]

not living

[prime basin]

As a lich I would definitely listen to the one holding my phylactery, but not if I know I have the upperhand or can easily squash the foe

[echo meteor]

ohh!!! makes sense

why the heck would anyone choose to be a lich if clones exist wtf? your far harder to kill with multiple clones spread across the realms

[eager marsh]

Acererak, Larloch, and Orcus all hoard lesser lich phylacteries to make them do stuff for them all the time

Clones are expensive and you can't stockpile them. A phylctery always saves you without a 6 month growth time too

being a lich also lets you bypass a lot of restrictions to being 'alive' and has a bunch of other benefits

[echo meteor]

just cast wish (clone) once a day

[primal wolf]

can't stockpile them
says who?

[uneven glen]

And the Lich actually places a fragment of their Soul within the Phylactery

[eager marsh]

wont bypass the 6 months

[echo meteor]

have 100+ clones sitting around

[eager marsh]

they literally all try and activate simultaneously per the wording

[uneven glen]

First, a prospective lich must cast the spell enchant an item on the object.
If this worked, this was followed by trap the soul. The phylactery would glow with blue-green light to indicate that it was ready for the aspiring lich to place a fragment of their soul within it. If it was successfully made receptive to a soul, the would-be lich cast magic jar on the object, thereby making it the phylactery.
This had the effect of binding the caster's soul to the mortal realm, stopping it from going onto the Outer Planes after death.

[echo meteor]

just start stockpiling them, after 6 months you’re practically immortal with hundreds of clones spread across the realm

[eager marsh]

them all trying to activate simultaneously is a bit of an issue. also, you need a place to store each and every clone

[echo meteor]

by the time your a level 17 wizard i’m sure you find places to store them

[primal wolf]

This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside the vessel used in the spell's casting and grows to full size and maturity after 120 days; you can also choose to have the clone be a younger version of the same creature. It remains inert and endures indefinitely, as long as its vessel remains undisturbed.

At any time after the clone matures, if the original creature dies, its soul transfers to the clone, provided that the soul is free and willing to return. The clone is physically identical to the original and has the same personality, memories, and abilities, but none of the original’s equipment. The original creature’s physical remains, if they still exist, become inert and can’t thereafter be restored to life, since the creature’s soul is elsewhere.
in the case of simultaneous effects it's the players choice which happens first

[primal wolf]

Demiplane is the same level spell as clone

[eager marsh]

you certainly could yes. But also lichdom has it's own perks to your body for example being reinforced by necromancy. Not having to waste all your free time micromanaging clone storage and using your best magic every day to stock up lives. Thew phylactery is a singular protected location that insta respawns you a new body each time

[echo meteor]

wish is great with clone, you don’t need a cube of flesh OR the jar, you just get. jar with your clone that you can hide away

[eager marsh]

you technically dont get the jar you ignore needing it

[primal wolf]

Wish is great all the time with everything though

[uneven glen]

Aumvor the Undying had 206 Phylacteries.

Mad lad

[calm vapor]

hello there

[echo meteor]

you don’t need it, because the spell creates a jar with your clone

[eager marsh]

it does not

[echo meteor]

spell is literally a jar with your clone

[eager marsh]

the vessel is provided as a material component.

The spell doesnt create the jar you have to provide it. Using Wish to cast teh spell wont provide the jar it says you dont need it to cast the spell

so you just have a loose body to store

[primal wolf]

wish-clones are stored in legally distinct large-capped bottles

[echo meteor]

This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside the vessel used in the spell’s casting

[eager marsh]

Better not be plastic. terrible for teh environment

[echo meteor]

it HAS to grow in the jar

[eager marsh]

Wish wont provide the jar

[primal wolf]

Technically it doesn't have to be a jar because it specifies 'Vessel'

[hushed mason]

You're missing the point, and Ryuno is being pedantic. The spell doesn't create the jar.

[echo meteor]

wish would need to provide the vessel for the spell to be fulfilled

[calm vapor]

what jar

[eager marsh]

I'm not being pedantic its a real issue. like how a spell scroll of True Strike still needs teh weapon

[primal wolf]

Components: V, S, M (a diamond worth at least 1000 gp and at least 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned, which the spell consumes. A vessel worth at least 2000 gp that has a sealable lid and is large enough to hold the creature being cloned, such as a huge urn, coffin, mud-filled cyst in the ground, or crystal container filled with salt water)

[eager marsh]

it dosnt

[calm vapor]

oh

[eager marsh]

Wish doesnt care if the conditions are met

[echo meteor]

how the heck does the wish cast the spell

[eager marsh]

poorly if you choose not to have a vessel

legally, casting True Strike with Wish, and not having a weapon on hand, fails

[echo meteor]

it can’t… perform if there’s no vessel

[eager marsh]

Yes

[echo meteor]

it specifies clone grows in the vessel so it MUST do so

[primal wolf]

Wish is the mightiest spell a mortal creature can cast. By simply speaking aloud, you can alter the very foundations of reality in accord with your desires.

The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don’t need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.

[echo meteor]

it follows the spell to the letter

[eager marsh]

The spell doesnt create the vessel. you the caster provide it. using wish wont provide the vessel

[echo meteor]

if you don’t provide it and cast the spell, the wish must still take effect

it can’t take effect without a vessel

[hushed mason]

But Wish says right there that you don't need to provide components...

[eager marsh]

which makes a weird issue when the component matters after the spell is initially cast

[echo meteor]

it literally says, clone is created in the vessel. without a vessel. no clone

[eager marsh]

like teh coins for gentle repose

[echo meteor]

no? the clone literally can’t be created without the vessel

the part where it says “clone gets created in the vessel” can’t be ignored with a wish

[hushed mason]

But Wish says that you can ignore components.

[echo meteor]

sure, but casting the spell means everything in the spell happens

[eager marsh]

I neve said that wish wont create teh clone. i just said using wish wont make the jar for you

[echo meteor]

i interpret ignoring the components as the wish providing the components

[eager marsh]

which is not what that means

[echo meteor]

says u

[eager marsh]

says the english language

[echo meteor]

it’s vague enough to be interpreted this way

[hushed mason]

"You don’t need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components"

[eager marsh]

it's not. Ignoring the components and providing them are literally definitionally not the same

[primal wolf]

Legally distinct large capped bottle take me home

[echo meteor]

but when you cast the spell, the text that is in the spell must be fulfilled

or you’re not casting the spell

its followed to the letter

[calm vapor]

in my opinion wish is dumb and cool at the same time

[fossil hollow]

This sounds like a topic for #dnd-rules

[cerulean monolith]

this actually could be argued! the spell specifically mentions not needing requirements, which includes components, but also includes any other requirements. it could be argued that the whole 'growing stage' and vessel part of the spell are a requirement, which is skipped over by Wish, and the Clone works in some other way.

However, if you do not take this train of thought, logical semantics clearly means that the spell fails. The Clone spell states stuff happens to the vessel; if there is no vessel, then the stuff doesn't happen, and the spell effectively fails, fruit of the poisoned tree style.

There is, however, no logical train of thought that leads to Wish creating the component.

[hushed mason]

This sounds like a topic for the end times.

[polar mortar]

So what's being argued? If wish can do what?

[hushed mason]

Do you need a jar for Wish to create a clone using... whatever spell you make clones with.

[primal wolf]

wishing for the component

[echo meteor]

but that means you can’t cast clone with wish, but i’m pretty sure you can

[dark pewter]

This definitely is a better discussion for #dnd-rules, folks. Let's go ahead and continue this debate there if you'd like to continue.

[eager marsh]

another funny case of this is using Wish to cast Dwarmi's Instant Summons. you never have the gemstone after casting to shatter and perform teh summon afterwards

[wispy schooner]

Hallo

[hushed mason]

What's a better discussion for here?

[primal wolf]

I think the furthest you can stretch it is saying you still need "A Vessel" but that the GP requirement is gone. which, besides one "Gotcha" from the DM, means it's still functionally irrelevant.

[severe rampart]

How far do you think a PC could go without being retired? if they're Cursed by Lycanthropy for example, some consider than as retired, while others argue not

[eager marsh]

A better discussion is what's the coolest, most underappreciated wizard school and the answer is Necromancy please wizards give me more interesting undead

[hushed mason]

There are plenty of people that play lycanthropic characters in the version of D&D that I play, so .... I certianly wouldn't say that means the PC gets retired. They just get a template.

[calm vapor]

are they still talking about the jar

[eager marsh]

in 2024 lycanthropy is legally an npc under dm control until cured. so thats basically retired

[polar mortar]

If you have multiple wish spells you could wish to change the laws of the world to not require whatever it is

[primal wolf]

Transmutation could be so cool but gets so shafted by their subclass

[eager marsh]

Mystra personally slaps you so hard you lose all your caster levels and laughs

[cerulean monolith]

I am a Necromancer. I can make an Owl... with bones!

[calm vapor]

or you could wish for infinite clones who have the wish spell

[calm vapor]

ive done it

[primal wolf]

your clone already has the wish spell, because it's you...

[polar mortar]

Wish for mystra to bend the knee

[humble cairn]

Welp, filled out the new survey to once again ask that they bring back a la carte purchasing.

[uneven glen]

Ok Karsus

[calm vapor]

true

[eager marsh]

same result except now she's taking your pancreas

[cerulean monolith]

If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way. If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails.

[fickle ocean]

lady of pain is based

[fossil hollow]

should have flayed smh

[uneven glen]

The funny thing about Karsus's Folly, is that if he had chosen ANY OTHER GOD than Mystra, then the spell would have likely worked.

[cerulean monolith]

...the spell did work

[fickle ocean]

the spell absolutely worked

[eager marsh]

its literally because his stupid mortal body couldnt handle the whole weave going through it all at once

[fossil hollow]

thats why magic collapsed

[fickle ocean]

it rewrote history

[calm vapor]

i was playing a paladin aasmir and i would fly up with temp hp from a barb and fall on somone with a divine smite dealing all that dmg and falling dmg

[uneven glen]

And caused Magic to stop working, and thus he didn't fully succeed

[fossil hollow]

The whole code of the Weave was too much for that shit

[cerulean monolith]

That happened because of Mystryl's suicide, not because of the spell failing.

[uneven glen]

The Weave didn't have any contingency on not having a caretaker.

[eager marsh]

that wasnt a suicide. she actually died. for like...30 seconds then self revived

[calm vapor]

i also had a pet cow idk why

[polar mortar]

I would have wish it to be a holy cow

[calm vapor]

he was my stead so i guess he was

[uneven glen]

The spell technically didn't work.

"Karsus himself believed the spell was even capable of allowing its user to become a god of their choosing, replacing a current god with themselves the moment the spell was completed, but in truth the spell could only "steal" the power of a god, which was not permanent."

[odd valley]

you yell holy cow and your party asks you “wait what happened” and you just summoned your steed

[uneven glen]

Not the way he intended at least

[eager marsh]

He stole a god's power and tried to hold it in his puny mortal body like an idiot

thus, he oopsied

[calm vapor]

i should have done that the paladin died fighting a red dragon all by himself (his party was hiding)

[uneven glen]

Ha-ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war on The Sword Coast" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Netherese when Godhood is on the line"!

[woven flint]

Well, my Fighter just gave some young bandits a life lesson lol
They ran away after our Shadow Monk casted darkness and then we encountered them again and convinced them that crime doesn't pay by chatting with them

[rough basalt]

they also played with a bag of beans

[woven flint]

Also, uh... we got magic beans

[tall forge]

Did you eat them

[woven flint]

We got those eggs and I ate two and exploded twice lol

Could've improved my Dex! Arghh!!!

[rough basalt]

They planted 4 beans

First bean was frogs and monk touched one

And it turned into an Oni

[tall forge]

Thats 4 beans you didnt eat tokii

[rough basalt]

Then 2nd they got frogs again

And a frog turned into a Sphinx

[woven flint]

I'm angry, the mummy one didn't happen

[polar mortar]

@uneven glen are you a DM?

[rough basalt]

3rd was Oil

[fossil hollow]

you can eat them in Baldur's Gate

[rough basalt]

I told them that they heard the sounds of freedom after they struck oil

[woven flint]

America raided our D&D world

[rough basalt]

Then 4th was the ability score eggs

[uneven glen]

Yes

[cerulean monolith]

beans on toast but instead of toast it's eggs and instead of beans it's explosives

[rough basalt]

They got a lot of loot from the wizard tower and their Bastion set up

[woven flint]

And also there's no toast

[cerulean monolith]

i said that arleady, the toast is eggs

[rough basalt]

They also found out where one of my worlds Lich's is

[woven flint]

Nuh uh!
My mind redacted that

[polar mortar]

Can you add me so I can talk to you about something? I've been working on a campaign from scratch and was wondering how you thought about it.

[uneven glen]

Request sent

[rough basalt]

Tokii's fighter is broke and needs cold hard cash

[woven flint]

He's only got 5 copper

[uneven glen]

Oof

The PC on one of my campaigns has a pretty decent amount of cash for level 4

[subtle edge]

guys i’ve just conceived a dubious question and remembered im in this server and have people to ponder with:

If you consume a bag of holding.. would you still be hungry?

[uneven glen]

482gp eqivilent if converting all currency to gp

[uneven glen]

Yes

It's a pocket dimension.
So you just put an endless void inside your stomach.

Goodluck ever feeling full again

[subtle edge]

actually fair enough 💀

[rough basalt]

Orizontas gonna sell his soul to a Lich for a scooby snack

[woven flint]

Hell no

[rough basalt]

What about two scooby snacks

[subtle edge]

you drive a hard bargain 🤔

[rough basalt]

Too rich for her blood.
She's only 200 something years old.

[woven flint]

That's like.. a Child for Liches

[rough basalt]

I enjoyed talking more than combating, was a nice change of pace from the encounter table. Praise the encounter table

Tho now I'm extremely exhausted and my throat hurts, but I had a lot of fun.

[empty thicket]

My half orc that his max age is 70 if i dont die before: Only!?

[polar mortar]

Any fellow dms wanna discuss campaign ideas? Message me if you want

[empty thicket]

it seems chill now so, what you have in mind?

[polar mortar]

I have a campaign I've been working on and just wanted to talk to someone about it. Morrow went to sleep I think

[tranquil temple]

i will soon be running a campaign where timetelling will be very important (likely to the hour.) How do I go about this?

[fossil hollow]

what

[tranquil temple]

?

[empty thicket]

like, the hour and all that matter for some...(?)

[young willow]

explain...?

[lavish flame]

When the party Long Rests, a day passes. Keep track of the days passing by keeping track of a calendar of some kind. Most D&D settings have their own calendar that they use, but you can also just use Earth's calendar

[tranquil temple]

thank you

[cerulean monolith]

Use a familiar timekeeping system and predefine how long things take. Combat is easy if you want to get that granular, but for other stuff you just need to make decisions and stick by them. In a dungeon I ran where time was important, I had time move forward by 10 minutes each time they moved from floor to floor. We made jokes about it taking 10 minutes to walk up stairs, but it was a clear enough marker that made them be conscious of how much time their actions were taking.

[lavish flame]

Earth's calendar has the benefit of the players not needing to translate "Fessuran" to "Early Autumn Month" in their heads

[fossil hollow]

oh hey, Dungeon Turns!

[vital creek]

Are there any discord bots for battlemaps?

[leaden ridge]

Hello I have a question about something that happened in my DND campaign, if someone's able to help me out, if you can direct message me.

[craggy summit]

It'd be better to just ask the question here, that way more eyes can see it

[river vector]

Gonna make a worm/swarm that walks for my DND campaign. Can't decide if it should be a worm or swarm.

[woven flint]

A Worm Swarm

[river vector]

Worm swarm it is

Love these guys. Creepy and cool.

[woven flint]

Hell yeah, we're friends now

[river vector]

Greetings new friend made over worms.

[woven flint]

You should totally add a Silver Dragon living as a merchant in a town (Silver Dragons love living amongst humans and elves and the adult ones can shapechange into a humanoid form)

Metallic Dragons are fun as hell

Fun Fact,
Metallics are the only dragons (Besides Gem dragons and a few special cases)
That can Shapechange into humanoids
The evil like Chromatics ones can't

My assumption is that it's Bahamuts gift to his Metallic children

Whereas Tiamat believes in being a giant killing machine all the time lol

[river vector]

I was planning on making a broke dragon working with BBEG to get the hoard back lol

Would have lost the hoard gambling

[river vector]

That's interesting

[woven flint]

Sounds like a White Dragon thing tbh lol
Mostly because they're the least intelligent chromatic

They also tend to be more beastial in nature though

[river vector]

Hmm. Well I'll just look over the dragons and see that way

What I want to do is introduce this worm that walks soon after they kill the current arc villain

Current arc villain possesses others, they have to find his real body.

[woven flint]

So..
I just learned dragons have Scientific names in the realms

Black Dragons are Draco Causticus Sputem
For example

[river vector]

Artificer better learn this lore

[woven flint]

Red Dragons are "Draco Conflagratio Horribilis"

Green Dragons are "Draco Chlorinous Nauseous Respiratorus"

Which is utterly hilarious

[leaden ridge]

So My party was talking to a pawn shop in n p c and found out that there is a dragon wing bow held by the water bearer of yarta in a vault. I'm trying to figure out a way to where I can get said Bow Without causing suspicion or meaning to fight a lot of guards

[woven flint]

Offer a trade for it
Stealth and steal it
Do a challenge for it

[leaden ridge]

Would i be able to stealth past all the guards protecting said vault?

[woven flint]

We wouldn't know, we're not your dm

[river vector]

So I'm thinking: Mad scientist character, she wants to become a worm that walks. Party fights her, she dies and her body collapses in a pile of worms.... You see where I'm going.

[leaden ridge]

True lol

Is there a way I can teleport, in and out of the vault?

[flint ledge]

Most teleports require line of sight, at least the ones in the lower levels

[woven flint]

What if it was a sentient hivemind of worms possessing a perfectly preserved corpse of a mad scientist who experimented on them and it seemed like they were completely normal until they turned on the party?

[flint ledge]

Also good morning everyone! (or good whatever time it is for you)

[noble tusk]

Depends on the vault security as well, most of the answers will be things you'd need to find out in character by investigating the vault.

[river vector]

Don't want to pull too many tricks on the party

They'll call me a one trick DM if I keep trying to pull this stuff lol

[woven flint]

Pulling tricks is part of the fun
Maybe the worms help the party for a while? Before turning or being controlled

[leaden ridge]

Ohh ok got it. It might be impossible for me to get it then

[river vector]

Already have someone else filling the "helps party" role.

It's a good idea, just don't want to get called a one note DM. And I don't want my players to distrust all my NPCs.

[woven flint]

Multiple people can help a party though
You don't have to DMPC them of course
All you'd have to do is give them information they need

[woven flint]

Maybe the worms are good but the scientist hurt them so they took over her body?

[river vector]

Hmm. Worms that walks are made up of the consciousness of a dead spellcaster. Unless I change that.... But nah it's cool enough backstory.

[woven flint]

Perhaps the walking worms are actually super cool people 😎

[river vector]

Maybe

Maybe I introduce two worms

One is good, the other bad.

[woven flint]

"My existence is a curse... but I see no need to make that the problem of someone else.."

[paper portal]

me irl

[woven flint]

Sorry, you're a lovely person, how unfortunate 😔

[paper portal]

:3

[tame kelp]

Finally, my campaign has ended.

I wish no longer to be a dm anymore.

I wanna be a player

[flint ledge]

Switching back to being a player before the curse of being a forever DM catches you

[tame kelp]

tbh, Idk what should I do next?

I wanna learn 2024

I wanna delete my fvtt and install everything new.

everything is old as hell.

When I will get a cool chance to learn 2024

[gaunt hearth]

Completely unrelated we have a mutual friend, always funny when that happens randomly on discord

[tame kelp]

What 2024 dnd look like

I only know the "sleep" spell got changed.

[flint ledge]

There is weapon Masteries for the martials

[tame kelp]

Weapon Masteries?

Is it like Weapon Proficiency?

[flint ledge]

Sort of, each of the weapons has like a weapon mastery property and it's seperate from being proficient in a weapon

Only martials are able to access them I believe

[tame kelp]

I wanna try a campaign ngl.

[flint ledge]

I suppose good luck in finding one

[umbral girder]

Basically it’s like weaker versions of Battle Master Manuvers that are at will but locked to specific weapons.

Unless you are Fighter who gets a lot of them and can change the mastery on a hit

Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, Paladin, and Barbarian get them

[dusky vessel]

Ok guys hear me out

2024 player's handbook is kinda superior.

[humble cairn]

To the 2014 one? Yes, they took ten years of feedback and fixed stuff.

[dusky vessel]

Oh I thought there was gonna be a lot of push back from that one

[paper portal]

meh each to their own i much prefer 2014 rules although thats not specifically cus of the phb

[humble cairn]

Why? Plenty of people like the most current rules.

[flint ledge]

I personally like it more yeah

[humble cairn]

A lot of small quality of life changes. Some changes that were subtle but have far ranging consequences, 90%+ for the better.

I have a small handful of gripes, but overall it was a good thing.

[humble cairn]

And why would you post something specifically in a way that you expected pushback?

[flint ledge]

Although I guess that's not quite fair because I only played 2024

[humble cairn]

I've played both and I like 2024 better.

[paper portal]

i've played both and i like 2014 more

[dusky vessel]

Honestly I just didn't know how people actually felt about the new rules

[paper portal]

it really is just a matter of preference

[humble cairn]

It's generally better to just ask, rather than post a "fight me" type trolling post.

[dusky vessel]

The 5th edition has a lot of really good stuff I just mix and match

[dapper cloud]

I think the general response to 2024 is positive, but I don’t think it helped that people’s opinions of WOTC tanked just before it came out.

[humble cairn]

I've basically switched all the way over and don't really look back, Oh except for PBIF (Personality, Bonds, Ideals, Flaws), I still use that.

[dusky vessel]

I do want to know though: how does one actually tune the tuning fork to a plane of existence? Do you just have to be on that specific plane or does it happen in some sort of magical ritual?

[flint ledge]

I mean yeah you're kinda forced to (unless you play 2014) cause not all the content has been implemented to the new rules and philosophy

[humble cairn]

Up to you and your DM. For future reference if you have a "How does X rule work?" that's generall a question for #dnd-rules.

[lavish flame]

nah dawg we love D&D in this server

[umbral girder]

I love the rules glossary in the 2024 PHB

Makes looking things up so much easier.

[dusky vessel]

Honestly this is my first time actually making contact with the dnd community lol

[umbral girder]

Nice!

I just had a silly idea for a build

[dusky vessel]

I've read the books so I know in theory how it all works but I don't have an actual group yet

[umbral girder]

Wild Heart Barbarian with an Owlin.

This way I can make a sorta Owl Bear character

[fiery slate]

yo

[dusky vessel]

I've actually spent so much money on the books but I don't actually play

[fiery slate]

im kinda new to ts

[fiery slate]

damn anything imported here costs hella money lke from 25-30 dollars to 70-80

[umbral girder]

Yeah being a Player is gonna be rough finding a group. So expect it to take a while.

Unless you want to be a DM then you got flood gates.

[fiery slate]

dm is like guy that makes story right

[umbral girder]

Less of “makes the story” and more “Runs the World”

The story is made by the entire group.

[fiery slate]

kk

[fiery slate]

so dm does world building while group makes story

[lavish flame]

this is touched upon in the DMG slightly. we don't know much about the process besides that it costs 250gp somehow. Personally, I've always thought it was just literally tuned to a plane and that every plane had some resonant frequency. There's beliefs irl that Earth has a resonant frequency of like... 432hz or something. I imagine D&D has similar logic.

[fiery slate]

also do you HAVE to have a group or can you go solo

[umbral girder]

You can try solo but the experience is pretty different.

[umbral girder]

The DM is part of the group.

[flint ledge]

Exactly, a DM is also a player

[fiery slate]

damn

[umbral girder]

Being a DM is still playing the game after all.

[flint ledge]

He simply plays the world and the NPCs instead of a player character

[fiery slate]

is the roll20 app on discord a good way to play without a board:

[flint ledge]

There's a roll20 app on discord?

[lavish flame]

i'd probably just suggest the roll20 website tbh

[fiery slate]

yeah

[fiery slate]

kk

[lavish flame]

the Activity is semi-limited in what it can do, and it still doesn't provide mobile support

[umbral girder]

Yep! DnD beyond also has a new VTT you could use too!

[lavish flame]

Roll20 doesn't really work on mpbile btw

[fiery slate]

i dont have one only use laptop

[umbral girder]

Also has the free rules and most classes too.

[fiery slate]

cool

[paper portal]

for the best /j

[humble cairn]

It's a good server, I like the mod team here they keep the super toxic stuff out.

[flint ledge]

Nah we're totally all chill

[undone rain]

This place has the least toxicity ive seen in a while, sure one bad apple might show up at times but otherwise

Just a chill place to talk about dnd

[obtuse stratus]

I mean, it's better than r/DnD, those guys are actively hostile all the time

[halcyon zenith]

I have a question

[undone rain]

Thats just regular reddit behaviour lol

[still plover]

What's on your mind?

[obtuse stratus]

Strangely r/Curseofstrahd lured me in by being nice and giving me tips. Then r/DnD went it for the kill

[undone rain]

Jeez, sorry that happened friend

[stiff rock]

I'm only in r/dnd for the art lol

[halcyon zenith]

What should I do after I acknowledge that I and another player in a campaign one of my friends is running has a different play style then me and in doing so I was treated like trash by that player especially after being treated like that since session 0 by him and 1 other player I kind of had a point where I snapped

[stiff rock]

Also yeah weirdly enough all the adventure books have really friendly communities

[obtuse stratus]

Eh, I came here and asked a similar question and got an answer instead of DV'd and told to go play a videogame

[burnt valley]

Ppl here are chill as long as you arent into optimisation

[still plover]

Do you interact with this player outside of the game?

[halcyon zenith]

Yes and for context The more I play true to my character the more I’m treated badly as a player even if I’m just doing things that help the party or hell even progress the campaign if it isn’t what he wants I’m treated like a villain for doing it and I don’t mean my character I mean me the player and when I tell him how he’s been treating me or how it makes me feel I get to experience being gaslight as if he hasn’t been treating me bad

[humble cairn]

"Hey, I apologize for how I behaved. I want to let you know that [specific things that happened that made you feel like you were treated poorly] made me feel bad and I would like that to stop going forward. If we can work on this, then I can continue being in this game, but if that isn't addressed I'm going to leave this game."

[still plover]

Life's too short to be jerked around for the sake of make-believe elfgames.

[humble cairn]

Pretty sure we're chill even if you are.

[halcyon zenith]

Not for anything but the only thing I did was just constantly defend the party and literally just give other players the chance to shine now don’t get me wrong i acknowledged what I did that was wrong and even apologized for it but I have been tell the players who have been treating me like trash for a while now that it’s making me upset repeatedly and when I snapped I was playing a character who I will admit I made using regular rules as written and that character was none other then Albert wesker from resident evil and I unleashed a virus when I lashed out and it kind up infected the party which I is literally what I apologized for

[humble cairn]

.. huh

Did you all have a Session 0?

[halcyon zenith]

But before I ever played as Albert wesker I was playing as a chaotic good necromancer and then when that character died I was playing as a lawful good necromancer and yes we all had a session 0

[paper portal]

another amity pfp you guys are gonna take over the server /silly

[halcyon zenith]

Where we went over our characters and everything about our characters which is why when I was being treated the way I was I expressed that I didn’t like it and the person treating me bad kept doing it regardless

[still plover]

Are you sure this person wants to play with you? It sounds like they don't.

[undone rain]

Sounds more like a jerk

[halcyon zenith]

Honestly with all things considered I’m honestly beginning to wonder if he was truly my friend in the first place with how he’s been treating me

[undone rain]

Cant blame em toh is pretty good

[paper portal]

yeah i was rewatching it literally 10 minutes ago lmao

[obtuse stratus]

Start writing up the post for r/rpghorrorstories now. Sounds like it may not pan out :/

[undone rain]

I should rewatch it too

[paper portal]

kinda hard to tell from just a couple messages on discord but he sounds like a real meathead yeah

[halcyon zenith]

To tell the truth he’s been acting like one for a while now and several of my friends have noticed it and they don’t like how he’s been acting I excused it cause I know he’s dealing with some issues at home irl but it’s gotten so bad that I just can’t excuse it anymore

[undone rain]

Some people just dont have the knowledge to be a decent human being

[obtuse stratus]

Care*

I can't say they lack knowledge, there are just people who actively don't care to. It's toxic

[marble lion]

i dont think its always that

some dont realise what theyre doing and other have something keeping them from being better

neither means you should accept it though

[undone rain]

A reason but no excuse as they say

[marble lion]

and sometimes, and this one is important, they arent misbehaving. you are just the one wrong and what you find wrong of them is actually okay

because again sometimes the person doesnt realise theyre wrong, that can include the person complaining

[obtuse stratus]

Depends what we're complaining about, lol. But yeah, agreed.

[undone rain]

We each stand on a different side. Many can be wrong but believe its right

And vice versa

[halcyon zenith]

I spoke to the dm and I told them that if the party tpk’s or if the person who been treating me like trash does something he’s homebrewed character can do then I would only continue play the campaign if I can play a lore accurate character from a game I have 13 years of experience in one in which I made a character sheet for and for all the things they have and the dm was ok with it but the only catch is the only twist I have to the character which is that the character is chaotic evil and that they are brainwashed by the empire they were a soldier for they also full accepted a deal from a patron who wants nothing more then to watch everything burn and to see my character killed everyone who makes fun of my character

[marble lion]

yesterday i had a genius idea to find a new party member to finally play dnd again, now that we lost 1 of the the OG 3

one of us has a gf who wanted to join for a while now, and i never quite saw the in (and didnt know them yet) but i thought this was the right time to do that

i had forgotten that relationship ended a month ago

[humble cairn]

ooooops

Hopefully you asked your friend first and not the (now) ex?

[tough lynx]

Peak

[hot gate]

I mean if the relationship ended on good terms could still work

[obtuse stratus]

Considering Haise got a new player but lost an OG... gunna guess not

[paper portal]

yeah i kept seeing you in chat so i decided to rewatch lol

having dinner rn but im up to episode 6

[tough lynx]

Based

[marble lion]

i have yet to ever speak to the ex

[obtuse stratus]

Oh thank goodness.

[limber trail]

ah

That’s rough lmao

[marble lion]

i mean

i think speaking to the ex would be less of an issue than speaking to the sad friend who was left

because the ex would just go "uhhhhhh" and thats it

[humble cairn]

I was imagining the invite having already been extended. Which would be awkward all around.

But yeah, still awkward either way you cut it. Sorry!

[marble lion]

easy to cancel invites to me
worse to remind a friend of sad

unless were all sitting at the table already that would be very awkward

[undone rain]

Awkwaaaaard

[obtuse stratus]

Has anyone ever considered running situations in D&D like being on a call with a customer who is probably just lonely and won't let you get off the phone?

I even have a neighbor like that and oh boy, it's like a CR5 every time

[still plover]

Not a typical consideration, though I could see scope for it as a distraction (for crime) or a social challenge (e.g. the elderly duchess at the ball that you cannot just walk away from).

[obtuse stratus]

I'd award XP just for getting away without combat. Like it's a CR 1/2 or if you manage to get out gracefully a CR 5 or rudely for a CR 3

[undone rain]

Feels so good whenever you level up

[obtuse stratus]

Feels like work to me. Now in Basic...

[undone rain]

Oh come on, you cant tell me its atleast a lil fun especially when you get new spells

Paladins when more smites

[glad arch]

Work but the good kind, youre not excites about the new goodies you get when you level up

[marble lion]

DMing has kinda made me not excited for class features

i think im just so used to variety that i dont crave it as a player anymore

if i was only a player, id probably be a lot more excited about levelups considering my PC is the only expression of mechanics i have in all of DnD

now i only really care about specific things i get that i need for my build

[obtuse stratus]

Not the leveling up, the next game day though...
this makes me think maybe I should figure out spreadsheeting 5e characters since it did make 3.x leveling feel good

[marble lion]

yes you definitely should

[obtuse stratus]

You're right. It would take more time on setup but make 5e characters not feel like a chore, that's whats really been holding it back

[glad arch]

Once youve picked what youre playing its usually not that bad

[obtuse stratus]

Been doing 5e since 2016 I think. Never got not bad, lol

[glad arch]

Maybe i just enjoy the options

[torpid hound]

Fighter 14 / Wizard 6 is Eldritch Knight for poor people (me included)

And Rogue 14 / Wizard 6 is Arcane Trickster

[severe rampart]

When you can't get the PhB (AKA me)

[jolly hound]

What up fellow Boggle fans

[undone rain]

Eldritch knight with slightly better spells?

[torpid hound]

Boggle?

[jolly hound]

Yeah

[severe rampart]

Slightly? wth, i gotta take a look at EK's spell list

[torpid hound]

I don't have the PHB so I don't know

[undone rain]

Idk my memorys kinda crap

[jolly hound]

They get the wizard spell list up to level 4 I think

[undone rain]

Im a half caster with divine powers not an arcane caster

[torpid hound]

Wizard 6 is one third of a Wizard 20 so literally Eldritch Knight

[hot gate]

Wizard 6 does not get access to level 4 spells though, so not quite.

[torpid hound]

So Wizard 7?

[undone rain]

Their not spell slots their smite slots

[torpid hound]

-Every Paladin ever

[severe rampart]

imagine if smite was a cantrip

[undone rain]

Divine smite + divine favor + protector aasimar

[torpid hound]

NONONONO

[undone rain]

Pure satisfaction

[torpid hound]

Wait Paladins don't have cantrips

[undone rain]

Yeah sadly

[severe rampart]

Now they will

in this hypothetical

[hot gate]

Not unless they take the fighting style that gives them some

[undone rain]

BUT magic initiate and grab booming blade and your golden

[torpid hound]

Unless they're a Blessed Warrior, Acolyte or Elf

[pliant sapphire]

They have a fighting style that gives them 2 cleric cantrips

[severe rampart]

I would like a version of smite that's a cantrip though, lower damage, but still a smike

smike

[undone rain]

Booming blade at level 5 i guess

[pliant sapphire]

true strike/booming blade/green flame blade

[severe rampart]

Fair point

doesn't give the same satisfaction though 😔

[glad arch]

Booming smite, green flame smite, true smite

[marble lion]

Now were talkin

[torpid hound]

I've calculated that if I give my Fighter Athletics expertise and the Champion subclass, he'll have a 64% chance of succeeding a DC 30 or "nearly impossible" Athletics check

[undone rain]

Aw man clerics dont have booming blade

[marble lion]

That sounds reasonable

[torpid hound]

Clerics don't use blades

[flint ledge]

Why by the nine would they

[torpid hound]

They use Maces which spill less blood

[undone rain]

I want an excuse to use booming blade lmao

[marble lion]

Clerics can use blades

[undone rain]

For my paladin

[wispy vector]

Arcana Cleric does