dnd-discussion

[undone rain]

Celestial warlock + oath of heroism

[fierce sparrow]

Yah I have a golden knight holy knight from heaven

[undone rain]

No glory ughh

[fierce sparrow]

Yes that one

[undone rain]

I meant glory

[blissful ibex]

true, you can use it on a Thief Rogue now

[undone rain]

My favorite

[cobalt owl]

Enspelled weapon divine smite

[charred osprey]

@tulip musk HEY DID YOUR NAME USED TO BE bufflo wizzerd

[fierce sparrow]

So wait has sneak attack changed

[tulip musk]

no

[blissful ibex]

no

[charred osprey]

thx

[fierce sparrow]

Oh good I can still sneak attack twice a round

[blissful ibex]

yep, reaction sneak attack still works

[fierce sparrow]

And with these rules soradin can still hold person crit smite too

[undone rain]

It would be really funny to multiclass every class that has a celestial/divine suclass

[blissful ibex]

that's most of them

[torpid hound]

Cleric/Paladin/Divine Patron Warlock?

[undone rain]

Paladin, cleric, zealot barb, celestial warlock

[torpid hound]

I was about to add Zealot Barbarian

[undone rain]

Ultimate divine powaaaaahhhh

[torpid hound]

Has anyone here played as a Bardbarian?

[fierce sparrow]

I know of them

[undone rain]

No but the concept is hilarious

[fierce sparrow]

They have some abilities bardic inspiration works while raging

Most likely sword bard

[undone rain]

Them carrying a heavy instrument around would be hilarious

Thats why their strong

[fierce sparrow]

I wonder which barbarian subclass would be best for that

[undone rain]

Totem warrior bear perhaps?

[tender fossil]

So like GG Allen?

[swift silo]

Why is a morning star a bludgeoning weapon, and not a piercing weapon?

[valid geyser]

you can ask that question for most weapons

[swift silo]

Can you? I can’t think of any other examples

[tender fossil]

Because they got rid of multiple damage types for weapons in later editions

Halberd would easily be piercing and slashing

[valid geyser]

longswords doing piercing for example

[swift silo]

Wait is halberd bludgeoning? I didn’t know that

[tender fossil]

No it's got an ax blade and a spear tip so piercing and slashing

Warpicks used to be able to come with a hammerhead so that would give you piercing and bludgeoning

[halcyon bison]

and warhammers typically have the spike on one end

[tender fossil]

But to be completely honest, it's all cosmetic because there's like maybe five monsters that are affected by weapon damage types now

[halcyon bison]

Honestly I would allow players to use different damage types with their weapons if they asked (and had reasonable justification)

Its usually not a big deal

I can see nerfing the damage in some instances though, like attacking with the opposite end of a glaive for bludgeoning damage is not going to be as damaging as the head

[cobalt owl]

Polearm master go brr

[fierce sparrow]

Yah that's a good one

If you cast a spell as a bonus action you can only cast a cantrip as an action that rule is the same in 5.5 right

[tender fossil]

Generally you just use the damage types in role-playing situations

You're going to have an easier time cutting through a rope with an ax than a hammer, you're going to have a far easier time breaking down a door with a maul than a greatsword

[feral fulcrum]

Because it's really more of a hefty club that happens to be spikey. It's not much different from a Mace, and not Peircey enough to warrant Peircing.

[hidden spindle]

No. That's been absorbed into Metamagic: Quicken Spell.

It's now, 'One Spell with a Spell Slot per turn'

[feral fulcrum]

Weapon damage types have always been kind of...pointless in 5E. I think only a handful in all of 2014 cared at all. Some Skeletons vulnerable to Bludgeoning, and a couple of things that resisted slashing?

[tender fossil]

Don't quote me but I remember one channel saying that they were five. Skeleton treant and I think some oozes

[halcyon bison]

Some oozes split when they take slashing damage, that's something!

[tender fossil]

Monster specifically affected by one damage type or never that common, but they were interesting when you ran across them. Like hitting a clay golem and discovering all non-bludgeoning weapons and spells are useless

[halcyon bison]

yeah but I'd figure that would suck for the party members who can't reliably do those types of damage

[tender fossil]

That was the point

Then you had to improvise. We beat one of those things to death with table legs

[feral fulcrum]

Such monsters were there to teach you the Joestar Method (IE, running away when you're outmatched.)

[tender fossil]

Flee or improvise those were your options

[feral fulcrum]

Effective against all but the most Perfect of Beings

[fierce sparrow]

I don't see the problem with casting two spells in one turn or smites

[feral fulcrum]

Obligatory Jojo posing

[tender fossil]

Now if you were a monk and you ran across that golem, you became the apotheosis of cool

[blissful ibex]

They've changed it now so that it's limited to expending 1 spell slot per turn; though quickended spell specifcially also has additional constraints on it

[blissful ibex]

so if you use a spell scroll or a magic item to cast a spell (as that doesn't eat a slot), you can then use your remaining action or bonus action to cast a second leveled spell seeing as you've not actually used a slot yet

[blissful ibex]

Polymorph them into something near imobile and harmless and earn yourself a 1 hour head start XD

we did that with a kraken recently :x

[hidden spindle]

That's why I use Tavern Brawler. Pummel Strike with my Longsword~

[tender fossil]

Unfortunately you can't do that on golems

They also had another golem that couldn't be hurt by magic or magic weapons. For a high level party that came as a shock

[woven flint]

Honestly, I don't see the point unless you're fighting skeletons
You can make any Melee attack nonlethal regardless of damage
(Even Melee spell attacks)

You just gotta.. declare nonlethal lol

[blissful ibex]

It's really funny, last session I was in, our monk tried to non-lethal a Death Dog; but they're immune to the Unconcious condition

[tender fossil]

Ran through KOTB and for a lark did nonlethal on the entire goblin cave. Marched them all back to the keep and made them apologize

[blissful ibex]

so it just sat there staring blankly at us like "wtf?" while it started a short rest

[halcyon bison]

yeah -w-
I don't really think its a super bad thing that there's not much difference between the physical damage types anyways

but just for fun! and because it makes sense

[tender fossil]

It's just for roleplaying now really

The few feats that address the types are... okay

[cobalt owl]

Crushers the best out of the 3

[tender fossil]

But then you have to sacrifice various weapon properties that bludgeoning weapons just do not have

It's a trade off

[hidden spindle]

Piercer is nice, good for a reroll

[fierce sparrow]

So does coffee lock still work

[halcyon bison]

fun fact those feats can apply to spells attacks too
So you can do some fun stuff with scribe wizard, there are a surprising amount of spells that do bludgenoing damage :>

Also I like how they are introducing feats related to magical damage types too
I think that's pretty cool

[fierce sparrow]

Still mad about eldritch adept

Could of been so much better

[halcyon bison]

how do you purpose

[blissful ibex]

yep, espeically on elf where you have 4 hours to chain SRs assuming you're allowed to do so

[fierce sparrow]

Well it could of fixed shadow monk but by rules you can only use if you have the spellcasting ability that exact wording in your class and you don't get alot of the invocations through the feat due to how limited the wording of the feat is

[halcyon bison]

I see
I could see it be improved by at least making it so you can take invocations with a level prerequisite maybe (assuming you meet it), especially in 2024 when most of the invocations have one

[blissful ibex]

you don't need the spellcasting feature to use Shadow arts to cast Darkness, no

[blissful ibex]

should have been an origin feat q_q

at least you can still take it as a general feat

[fierce sparrow]

No shadow monk can't see through magical darkness

[turbid vessel]

2024 shadow monks can see through their own magical darkness, tbf

[blissful ibex]

incorrect in 5.5e atleast

You can see within the spell's area when you cast it with this feature.
it explicitly has a carveout for them for the spell specifically

[hidden spindle]

Fair.

But you can pick up a Pact now with Eldritch Adept

[blissful ibex]

Also, magical darkness is no longer a thing
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#Darkvision

The darkness spell specifically blocks darkvision now, rather than it being an inherent property of magical darkness

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619080-darkness

Darkvision can’t see through it, and nonmagical light can’t illuminate it.

[halcyon bison]

woah 2014 darkness monk couldn't see through their own darkness! I did not realize that
That's silly

[turbid vessel]

ye, a wee bit silly

[river vector]

So my warlock player can bypass the soul pact he made with a Lich that states that his soul will be devoured if he ever acts against the Lich by becoming a vampire, which in my setting are soulless.

"Nuh uh I did it myself"

[halcyon bison]

I feel like this is like burning all your money when you're getting robbed

[turbid vessel]

at least it means nobody can tell the money was stolen

[river vector]

He should not have made the pact

[blissful ibex]

that or pull the thing where they make a bunch of pacts offering their soul and have them all fight it out

[river vector]

Lich is literally invading the world

[turbid vessel]

new character concept: a guy who's sold his soul to several powerful entities with the intent of making them all fight over him

[river vector]

Too bad his great old one patron cannot just undo the soul pact lol

He knew these terms and agreed lol

[blissful ibex]

Goolock is

[turbid vessel]

2024 goolock my beloved

[blissful ibex]

I rather like Fathomless, but GOOlock would be my second and Archfae my Third favorite

[halcyon bison]

Magic darkness is still a thing, devilsight and devil statblocks still reference it

[blissful ibex]

yes, but mechanically it doesn't do anything

[river vector]

Agreeing to have your soul devoured if you ever act against the guy who is invading the world is... Quite a choice

[snow zephyr]

RIP

[halcyon bison]

True I suppose
It doesnt help that the darkness spell is pretty much the only spell that actually creates darkness that can't be seen through by darkvision

[blissful ibex]

that's there if you're running a 5.5e char in at 5e table

also we can see through Hunger of Hadar now which is nice c:

[snow zephyr]

The only answer is now to use blinding light

I cast astigmatism

[river vector]

It's not some hidden knowledge that my lich is invading the world. He just blamed everything his country did wrong on rebels and my warlock believed it. Or was power hungry. One of the two. Both? Both.

[turbid vessel]

i summon glaucoma

[halcyon bison]

Maybe he's just regular hungry

[turbid vessel]

vro just needs to eat a snickers

[river vector]

He drank piss once

[turbid vessel]

new character idea: goes through the entire campaign cause they're promised a klondike bar

[snow zephyr]

Lol, lmao. They brought back the warlock meme but for monk

[snow zephyr]

Important note:they don't know what a Klondike bar is, they've just heard testimony that many would do anything for one

[blissful ibex]

ye, you have a Devil's Sight warlock, Shadow Monk who cast the spell, and a Blindfighting Fighter and then go ham

[snow zephyr]

Or just ride the lightning on that one, lightning bolt until visibility improves

[blissful ibex]

fireball works a bit better for coverage as you could easily miss with LB

[snow zephyr]

Fireball is neat, and probably mechanically superior for this application, but lightning bolt is more intimidating because of the collateral damage

[blissful ibex]

Fireball doesn't require LoS to the point; just that there be a clear path for it

[snow zephyr]

Turn tree into toothpicks, profit

[blissful ibex]

Luckily I only get Lightning bolt of the two XD, so I guess I'm all set, lol

[snow zephyr]

Lightning bolt is underrated

[blissful ibex]

don't use it super often, but it does get used

[turbid vessel]

to make the most of lightning bolt, acquire a scroll of Mass Suggestion. the suggestion? "start a chorus kicking line!"

[snow zephyr]

Wall of force works well to encourage bolt-able positions, doubly so with a second caster

[halcyon bison]

doors and hallways are lighning bolt's friends :3

[blissful ibex]

or you cast Maelstrom to keep pulling them into the center and slamming Fireballs and Lightning Bolts into the now grouped up enemies c:

[severe fox]

yall i have a question

if a muticlassing druid barbarian(giant) were to wild shape and then rage would the beast also become large

[blissful ibex]

yes; though you won't be able to use your moon druid spells while raging

or any spells in general
and if you were concentrating on something, you drop concentration

[severe fox]

i know

just an idea

[turbid vessel]

it's been tried and tested before, and it's pretty fun!

[severe fox]

theres also rune knight

[hybrid girder]

I find it so perfect that Base DND rules are also called RAW

[blissful ibex]

5.5e WIld Shape only replaces Species Features now so your Class/Feat/Blessing features still work (if they aren't spellcasting at least) c:

[hybrid girder]

How are ya

[severe fox]

me? im good

[hybrid girder]

And how are ya

[severe fox]

im an idiot

[turbid vessel]

i really wanna make a multiclass battlemaster and moon druid, to have beast form sthat have maneuvers

[blissful ibex]

I play a Druid / Fathomless Warlock multiclass and it gives all my wildshape forms permenant non-magical water breating and a swim speed c:

[hybrid girder]

Thas good

[blissful ibex]

what's up?

[severe fox]

nothing

i still want a druid subclass that can become plants

plants are super unused in dnd 5e as well as 5.5e

[hybrid girder]

Same

[turbid vessel]

that'd be a sick way to flavor a stars druid, taking on different plant forms

[severe fox]

lemme become an awakened shrub!

[toxic star]

Why hello there everyone

[blissful ibex]

Preservation (UA) can make plants at least (Until the feature duration runs out, which is incredibly dumb and they should 100% stay because that's the whole flavor of the subclass XD)

[hybrid girder]

I kinda want a captain/tactician martial class

[severe fox]

dude some of the spell jammer plants are so cool

[blissful ibex]

Shambling Mound as a Moon Druid WIld Shape option would be kinda nice

[turbid vessel]

that's also a good flavor idea, brambling branches come up and take the form of your beast

[hybrid girder]

Is spelljammers good?

[blissful ibex]

They didn't do the 5e adaption justice :c
The species are fun though c:

[severe fox]

i love spell jammers

mainly teh species

thri kreens are awesome

[hybrid girder]

I love thy bugs

[blissful ibex]

I'm partial to plasmoid

[severe fox]

telepathy monster bugs? score!!

[hybrid girder]

I love how they speak

[blissful ibex]

The Hadozee are also super fun

[tranquil temple]

I asked this a while ago, but I think this is a new group so: what is everyone's favorite official adventure module?

[blissful ibex]

and the Autognomes c:

[severe fox]

the only thing i would change is there telepathy needing consent

[hybrid girder]

I love me some Autgnomes

[toxic star]

Has anyone tried the pug class yet? Wondering how it is and any draw backs from just being a fisty boi

[snow zephyr]

I know they're gonna sanitize it heavily, but I'd love to see Athis make a return

[tranquil temple]

That's my favorite playable species!! I love plasmoids!

[hybrid girder]

The Forest Oracle/J

[severe fox]

i know its awful but decent into Avernus or chain of asmodeus

[tranquil temple]

41 baboons

[blissful ibex]

'DDAL05-05 A Dish Best Served Cold' was rather fun

[snow zephyr]

CoS, because I'm basic

[tranquil temple]

I'm planning to run that very soon, seems cool.

[severe fox]

do you have enough players cause ive been looking to join that sort of game

[narrow goblet]

you can use the cartographer artificer at level 20 to comet a war crime.

[snow zephyr]

CoS doesn't really try to play up the sympathy card for strahd, he's just actually terrible. I like that for my entertainment

[hybrid girder]

Same

[tranquil temple]

Sorry, it's in person with my friends. I wish you the best of luck in finding a group though!

[severe fox]

ah dang

[hybrid girder]

Same

[blissful ibex]

ooh, but 'DDEX1-8 Tall Trees Tell' was also rather good

[severe fox]

i wish i was an awakened tree

[hybrid girder]

I have always found Icewind Dale Rime of the frost maiden interesting

[tranquil temple]

I have a question about these adventures; what are they? What do the numbers and letters at the beginning mean?

[blissful ibex]

They're official Adventurers League modules

DDEX and DDAL mean offical seasonal content
1-8 means the eigth adventure of the first season
and 05-05 was the fifth adventure of the fifth season; which tied in with Storm King's Thunder

[tranquil temple]

Second time I've heard that one, I'll have to check it out!

[rough basalt]

Icewind Dale is pretty good

[snow zephyr]

Rime for the netherese connection is also great

[rough basalt]

Tomb of Annihilation is a good adventure if you have creative players.

[cobalt owl]

Are your players pokemon fans?

Instill fear and anxiety into them with this one simple trick!
Play the Cynthia piano

[rough basalt]

Need it to be next week already

I need more of my campaigns

[cobalt owl]

Don't overdose

[hybrid girder]

Whats a monster yall think would be a good race

[rough basalt]

Having all 3 of my games being Monday through Wednesday leaves too much time off.

[snow zephyr]

Taking whimsy and wonderment straight to the face

Might mess around and do a little hope for tomorrow

[turbid vessel]

this is a really weird question when you don't take dnd mechanics into account 😭

[blissful ibex]

Flumphs

[rough basalt]

I need to get my 3rd game up and going

[turbid vessel]

i remember having like 3 or 4 games up at a time. interesting times

[hybrid girder]

Just searched them up their cute little eldritch abominations

[rough basalt]

Most I've had at one time was 5

[turbid vessel]

these days i hardly can manage to keep 1 going

[blissful ibex]

I have 6ish rn

[idle oar]

Cue Oxventure's (YouTube channel that does D&D and other TTRPG liveplays) "D&D: But everyone is a Kobold" one shot

[snow zephyr]

1 12 hour a week

[turbid vessel]

6 a week like it's a full time job for u or something loll

[idle oar]

Oxventure later did one where everyone played a Flumph

[snow zephyr]

Yeah, that's definitely paid DM territory

[rough basalt]

My health has been downright horrendous but I feel good when I'm running sessions so one more I think would be fine.

Won't be dnd tho

[blissful ibex]

I play in 6, not DM XD

[rough basalt]

I'm not gonna get greedy and hope for 3 good ongoing dnd campaigns as a dm

[snow zephyr]

I used to run a single 12 hour session once a week, spent the morning of the game prepping food for the players

[turbid vessel]

i'll take on a 2nd dming gig at a time if i know one of them will be short, like a 3 session one shot or so

[rough basalt]

Man I wish I had an irl game

[turbid vessel]

i can't do 2 long term things at once

[rough basalt]

If I could have an irl game I'd probably run a 3rd dnd game if I had to

[snow zephyr]

The trick is to just never shut up about D&D at your LGS. You will find people

[blissful ibex]

It's my second favourite playable species behind Plasmoid

[rough basalt]

There's nothing like that around here

[buoyant oar]

I have two paid games and one small West Marches that I run and manage as admin. DnD is about 15-20 hrs a week

[rough basalt]

There's one hobby shop that happens to sell DnD, MTG and Warhammer stuff, but it's only open during the day on weekdays.

[snow zephyr]

Then I recommend picking up some college classes so you can recruit players for irl

[snow zephyr]

Then you must find time to go there and gently inform people

[blissful ibex]

Boardgame Caffes, Libraries, Community Centers, etc.

[idle oar]

In the oneshot they ran them with the monster statblocks and a name + adjective to describe their personality. Their goal was to prevent the adventurers from waking the slumbering dragon on her hoard deep in the mountain. Shennanigans ensues...

[rough basalt]

My community is trying to shut down the libraries so

[snow zephyr]

Libraries are great for new players

[blissful ibex]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

[snow zephyr]

The extra foot traffic helps them stay open

[blissful ibex]

sounds like a perfect opportunity to support them then c:

[rough basalt]

They managed to close one historical one, but thankfully the history society or whatever will protect it.

[snow zephyr]

Take books out to read for your campaign research

[rough basalt]

I haven't been in there in awhile

[turbid vessel]

be the community you want to see in the world!

[snow zephyr]

Talk to their ILL specialist to see if you can get D&D books in

[rough basalt]

I hadn't for like 20 years but went in and found Drizzt and War of the Spider Queen novels

Was very surprised.

Also a few other Forgotten Realms books (Cleric Quintet notably)

[snow zephyr]

Inter-library loan specialist, they manage the books

[rough basalt]

Yeah I'll need to see.

Tbh I don't really need the books tho

[snow zephyr]

You might get a few players out of the staff as well

[rough basalt]

I got like 3/4ths of all the official 5e books

I'm just missing Ravnica and several modules

I'll work up the courage to put a post on the FB dnd group for my region as well.

[snow zephyr]

Find the nearest game store and start plugging your game

[rough basalt]

It's like 30 or 40 miles away iirc, and I share a vehicle.

[crimson gulch]

You can do it

[small heath]

Chat I need some help with some cringey dad jokes that's based on fantasy concepts and D&D in-universe things.

[idle oar]

Surely the internet is already full of those...

[snow zephyr]

That's only 30ish minutes at 60 mph

Drag the other person with you

[rough basalt]

I wish.

[cobalt owl]

Roll a d100

[rough basalt]

9

[cobalt owl]

You lost your ability to cast wish again

[severe fox]

i wish

[woven flint]

I don't wish

[rough basalt]

Damn

[tame estuary]

hi dolly

[umbral girder]

Now for the dark question that plagues many DMs.

How many have you read front to back? /jk

I just realized something.
Inspiration lets you roll any dice. Does that mean you can use that to try and prevent yourself losing the Wish spell?

Just reroll the d100?

[cobalt owl]

Yes

Its something I've done

[rough basalt]

I've read the corebooks front to back, you can't make me do the others

I'm pretty sure I've read several more just can't remember

[cobalt owl]

I don't think its necessary to read any of the others front to back tbh

[rough basalt]

I need to get another game started before I make mistakes.

[paper portal]

best use with stars druid for weal and woe probably

[cobalt owl]

Doesn't apply to d100s

[umbral girder]

I’d say Tasha’s and Xanathar’s would be decent for reading front to back

[rough basalt]

4 days without a tabletop session is too long.

[paper portal]

tasha's is the only book i own physically

[cobalt owl]

Me when I go a full week without playing:

[umbral girder]

Does not work with the Wish roll

That is only for d20 rolls in 2014 and 2024 versions

[narrow goblet]

hi

[rough basalt]

Man isn't meant to go without tabletop for any longer than 3 days.

[paper portal]

ah makes sense

[rough basalt]

It's like hydration.

[cobalt owl]

I'm not a man, I'm a skeleton

[tame estuary]

I've read the front and back

they have a map in the back

[tame estuary]

I'm on 2 weeks now

[rough basalt]

I couldn't handle it.

[umbral girder]

What you need is 168 three hour sessions every week.

[tame estuary]

the healthy amount

[knotty spoke]

I see that your name is YuGiOh based

[tame estuary]

love me my cardboards

I actually saw this youtube video on my feed that games like tcg or tabletop games fixes brainrot due to the social nature of it

so next time you tell someone to touch grass, tell them to touch cardboard

[naive cedar]

Or touch d20s

[knotty spoke]

I'm here to learn stuff about dnd cause my friends forced me

And made me dm

[tame estuary]

bruh

[knotty spoke]

So

Yes

It looks interesting though

Let them be glad I'm good at math🥀

And draw

So like for a one shot session, what's a good way to start

[tame estuary]

the starter kit?

just make sure to read the entire thing before you actuall play

I have the essentials kit but I used the oneshot from the starter set dragons of stormwreck isle

[knotty spoke]

What starter kit

Lol

[tame estuary]

it's nice, introduction combat, a little bit of dungeon, a little bit of mystery, a little bit of exploration, and then a final boss, additional contents too if you want to extend

[umbral girder]

DnD two starter kits for both 5e and 5.5e

[tame estuary]

I'd pick the newer one, it has tokens you can cut out

[umbral girder]

Lost Mines of Phandelvar, Storm wreck Isle, Welcome to the Hellfire Club, and Heroes of the Borderlands I think is the release order?

[tame estuary]

oh hellfire club is a starter? that's so interesting since I watched ST

[fossil hollow]

Manshoon Simulacrum death count: 3

[rough basalt]

If only

When I'm bored like this, the dark urge gets to me.

[umbral girder]

Only simulacrums? No clones? Shame.

[fossil hollow]

not yet, collecting data

[woven flint]

We leveled up in Waterdeep 😎

[rough basalt]

You'll be hitting 6 in my game soon.
Gonna need a new feat.

[umbral girder]

Hey Tokii! You now have 40 pounds of carrying capacity! /jk

[warm shore]

Do yall think the average dm would let me play a chronourgy wizard 😭 I swear I’m not a metamancer I just think time magic is cool

[jolly agate]

Having to absorb 5 bloody souls every session to keep ma powers and don't lose control is gettin anoyin, i had to eat ma baby crow

i just wanted to be a silly magic cow

and now ma arse is payin the price 😔

[cerulean monolith]

It is third party content so probably not

[warm shore]

what could possibly warrant this 😭

[jolly agate]

Let me explain rq

[empty thicket]

Chronourgy wizard?

[warm shore]

Ye

[bronze wave]

sure why not

[warm shore]

I thought it was in wildemount tho

[bronze wave]

I dont think theres an acutal broken subclass, better ones sure, game breaking? eh

[cerulean monolith]

Which is third party

[warm shore]

Rip

[olive loom]

Can someone explain to me how to play? I'm trying to deploy the game on my friend's server, can anyone recommend bots?

[jolly agate]

So, im playin as a silly magic cow right?. Well, was. I'm not going to explain absolutely everything because it's a very long story, soooo. I was brutally murdered and then roasted and eaten by 10 Paladins of Tyr, then revived by the cult of Baphomet (they killed a Deva and a bunch of other creatures to bring me back). So i got transformed into a Fiend (Demon) and now i have to consume 5 souls every session to keep ma powers regulated and don't go super hyper silly mode and eat ma party

[fossil hollow]

teeeechnically its also first party

[jolly agate]

and kinda that's it

[warm shore]

Watt

What on earth did you do to warrant getting jumped

[fossil hollow]

its published by WoTC, its also listed as partnered content

[warm shore]

By ten paladins

[jolly agate]

Give me a sec

[empty thicket]

what is that?

[warm shore]

That’s what I’m confused about, does third party stuff include stuff made by WoC?

[warm shore]

Time wizard

[fossil hollow]

its just the special case for Netherdeep and Wildemount specifically

[warm shore]

So wildemount is third party?

[cobalt owl]

Well yes but actually no

[knotty spoke]

Is Storm Wreck Isle good for beginners

[umbral girder]

Probably I’ve never run it.

Phandelvar is the only one I’ve run (my beloved)

[woven flint]

We finally completed Waterdeep Dragon Heist!

Now we're heading into Dungeon of the Mad Mage next time (With the same characters)

[umbral girder]

Nice.

[warm shore]

I’m curious, do any of your groups actually succeed at being stealthy

[umbral girder]

Frequently

[river vector]

He was forced to attack the hall of justice as a price for getting teleported from one place to another by "The Traveler"

[jolly agate]

Hiiiii

[river vector]

Hello!

[warm shore]

Cause I love my dnd party but I think we’ve just given up on stealthy approaches and have defaulted into kicking doors and just fighting everyone

[fossil hollow]

Officially, its Partnered Content.

[woven flint]

Yeah,
The Waterdeep party I'm in has like 4 people proficent with stealth out of 5

Monk, Rogue, Cleric (Me) and Barbarian all have stealth proficency and I don't (and can't) wear armor

[warm shore]

Chrono wizard dream lives then 😭

[jolly agate]

I miss ma baby crow mate

[warm shore]

What’s your take on the chrono wizard, glav?

[river vector]

My vampire BBEG that's pretending to be a holy cleric has a big problem. Can't enter consecrated ground. AKA the church. There must be a way around this.

[umbral girder]

Partnered is also the label for 3rd party last I checked?

[fossil hollow]

Its strong and fun, but not for every table.

Wildemount is fine here. Its considered official for #dnd-rules

Same with Netherdeep

[warm shore]

Random question, but what is the extent of things I can do with athletics checks? If I’m fighting a giant monster, could I try pulling off its limbs?

[river vector]

Hmm. My BBEG acts as a travelling Cleric? Not tied to a specific Church?

That would work

[jolly agate]

They need to give ma cow a break, The Ogrillion got that cool legendary warlord hammer. The Drow has her Cursed bow/boyfriend, The cleric has now that supreme conection whit Selune, and the Autognome.. well, hes fine like he is, he's pretty happy already. But i'm gettin literally eaten alive cmon😭

[warm shore]

😭 I’d hate to run into the BBEG as part of a random encounter

[fossil hollow]

No

[jolly agate]

A preacher

that would be cool

a wandering preacher

[river vector]

Oh the party will run into him. Getting beat up by his own thugs as part of a fake rescue.

He wants to infiltrate the party to see if they would make for good allies

[fossil hollow]

You DM decides whats possible with skill checks, and wether you roll for something at all. That sounds like an Unarmed strike for me

[river vector]

This works well actually. Since the BBEG is pretending to be a worshipper of a niche god.

[jolly agate]

like a wandering preacher whit the hat and the robes, whit a little black book in hand and all dat stuff. That would be pretty cool ngl

[warm shore]

What are you gonna do if someone casts divine sense or detect evil and good on em tho?

[river vector]

Goddess of light and anti undeath. He is a Vampire lmao. The audacity

[fossil hollow]

Are they a:
Fey, Celestial, Fiend, Elemental, or Undead?

Ah, Vampire

[river vector]

Sob story about how he was turned into a vampire as a joke for believing in the righteous gods

[umbral girder]

So Undead

[warm shore]

Damn that’s good

I remember my dm foiling my attempts at interrogating an eldritch god’s vessel with zone of truth

[river vector]

Also the party has no one who can do such things (:

[warm shore]

What if they just jump him😭

I feel like that happens at least half the time with my group

[river vector]

They will run into the ex of the vampire BBEG (played by another guy who I have play his own NPCS) And his ex knows but won't explicitly tell the party that it is the BBEG.

[river vector]

Plane Shift

[cobalt owl]

Wheres gate seal when you need it

[umbral girder]

And if they stop them from casting it?

[river vector]

Also they are low level and the vampire BBEG is far stronger than them

[cobalt owl]

The enemy laughs in legendary resistances

[umbral girder]

Like wwith Silence, Counterspell, or just killing them before they can, or taking away their spellcasting focus.

[warm shore]

Is there a way to imbue weapons with the effect of spells? I’m wondering if I could use a sword that automatically silenced casters and prevents them from casting spells

[river vector]

The focus that BBEG is displaying openly?

[umbral girder]

Effects no. Spells yes (in 2024)

[river vector]

Someone played bg3 lol

[cobalt owl]

Enspelled weapons exist, otherwise if you're making the item as the DM go for your life

[warm shore]

I cannot lie, the sussur greatsword is one of my all time favorite weapons in videogames

[jolly agate]

beans

[cobalt owl]

Its a good weapon

[craggy summit]

The only thing is, according to the description for enspelled weapons I found, they can't have the silence spell due to the school of magic limitations

[river vector]

BBEG can just savage the party if they really want a fight ( he doesn't, he wants to recruit them at first)

[cobalt owl]

Good for him

[river vector]

You see BBEG is this rebel against the undead kingdom that is invading the world he is a part of, and the party is getting told by the lich king to kill the vampire BBEG. BBEG is still evil, because he steals souls and experiments on them for his rebellion, and he stole the party's souls at the start.

[warm shore]

I wonder if there’s any way for them to feasibly kill him at low levels

[river vector]

Well he's a vampire

He has a ring of sunlight protection that I homebrewed

They could steal that while he's sleeping

[cold jay]

Which of the Ancient Chromatic Dragons would best fit a Mafia Crime Lord?

[river vector]

Of course he would just wake up and cast plane shift

[cold jay]

in terms of personality

[umbral girder]

It’s actually very amusing how easy Clerics ruin vampires after the 2024 update

[warm shore]

Divine smite is so badass that I can’t imagine playing any other class other than paladin or maybe wizard

The extra damage against fiends and undead is also pretty great, considering that most campaigns have at least one of the two in spades

[umbral girder]

Daylight + Grapple and now the vampire has disadvantage, can’t Shapechange to escape, automatic damage, and it has its sub 200hp still.

[cobalt owl]

Daylight now being sunlight is good now

[river vector]

Somehow knowing that they were going into an undead themed campaign my party brought no cleric or paladin

We are all new so that's probably why

[river vector]

Makes me want to troll them with a ring of daylight (using 2014 rules)

[cobalt owl]

Lmao

That'll teach em to read spell descriptions and realize misnomers exist ig

[cold jay]

can someone plz answer my question?

[warm shore]

I’m ngl man, I only know bahamut and tiamat

[knotty pasture]

"Your Strength (Athletics) check covers difficult situations you encounter while climbing, jumping, or swimming... Other things include forcing a stuck door, breaking free of bonds, pushing through small tunnels, hanging onto a wagon while being dragged behind it, etc"

[warm shore]

I guess it makes sense I wouldn’t be able to get much use out of it in combat

[knotty pasture]

While you can roll athletics towards situations where you need to apply brute force, tearing off one's limbs is not one of them

[warm shore]

The ability to breaks things is cool tho

[knotty pasture]

You can use athletics to shove and knock people back however

Grappling too

[warm shore]

I’ve more so been just trying to figure out how to play more strategic with 22 strength

Cause the campaign I’m in is pretty rough when we just try to go in brute force

[humble cairn]

Ahh, you're playing with 2014 rules, then?

[knotty pasture]

Vaunt, but this is me assuming based on what I'm familiar with

[humble cairn]

Let's see, in 2014 you could get really good grappling rolls with Athletics Skill Expertise. But then Grappling wasn't quite as strong an effect.

[warm shore]

Is it possible to grapple someone, fly super into the air while holding them, then drop them?

[jolly agate]

Ask ur dm

I've done crazier stuff ngl

[humble cairn]

You could make any of them work, just depends on what kind of Mafia Crime Boss you're going for. Reds will be toughs, they might clean up nice but it would be a thin veneer on sheer hubris and rage. Greens would be the conniving ones, manipulative puppet masters. Whites would be just straight up brutes, maybe the least civilized of them all. Black dragons would be the horrifyingly cruel ones. Blue Dragons would probably be the most business minded of them.

[humble cairn]

RAW, yes. You'd be flying at half speed basically.

[cold jay]

ok, probably blue then since business minded is the tone I am going for

[knotty pasture]

You can also grapple an ally and fly them over places if you somehow have fly casted on you too

(Also applies to summons that can fly in general, have summons send your team up to funny places)

[warm shore]

I’m thinking about playing an Aasimar paladin with haste lowkey, because I feel like strength and flight pair surprisingly well together

[humble cairn]

Here are the 2014 rules on falling damage: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/adventuring#Falling

[knotty pasture]

Its nice, minus the Haste part

Aasimar can also only fly for a minute per long rest so make it count kind of thing

[warm shore]

I figured hast would be good for teaching max height fast though, because it doubles movement speed

Though after looking at the rules, fall damage seems really underwhelming

Even a max drop of 200 feet probably wouldn’t kill most enemies at the level we’re at

[humble cairn]

It's more worth it if you don't have to spend a whole turn's worth of actions and movement to set it up.

[knotty pasture]

Not particularly worth it cuz of the potential self stun

[humble cairn]

Giant Barb, for example, can use a Bonus Action to toss an enemy straight up, giving them a 30ft drop worth of fall damage and landing them prone at your feet so now you have Adv to attack them with your Extra Attack.

They spend only a BA for extra damage and Prone, which is a lot less to spend than having to Grapple and fly and drop.

[knotty pasture]

The other half of Aasimar's flight and Haste is the increased damage output anyways for which you won't be using if you're spending time dragging someone up and dropping

[warm shore]

I lowkey feel like playing a barbarian would be super fun, but at the same time no armor seems rough

[knotty pasture]

You can wear armor

[humble cairn]

Barbarians can wear armor.

[knotty pasture]

You should wear armor actually, unarmored defense has relatively poor returns

Need like 14 dex 20 con to break even with a half plate

And if you're stacking that much con you're hitting like a wet noodle

[warm shore]

Would you recommend playing scourge or protector Aasimar from your experience? Scourge seems to have the better dps to me, but I’m not sure if flight is something that a lot of classes get access to, especially paladins, and I wouldn’t want to pick protector if it’s just something I can do with items later

[knotty pasture]

Are you following Volo's or the new Monsters of the Multiverse

[humble cairn]

You can choose which Aasimar effect you want everytime .. oh wait, you're playing a 2014 Aasimar?

[knotty pasture]

Scourge in Volo's probably the weakest of the three cuz of the self recoil damage, Monsters of the Multiverse buffed Aasimar to not take recoil damage so they're all equal again

Only Protector can fly for the record

[warm shore]

I’m debating playing a one for my next campaign, but I’m not sure if the majority of campaigns are 2014 or the newest version

How uncommon of an ability is flight, and does it have an applications for non ranged classes aside from grappling gimmicks?

[humble cairn]

Well for a) Aasimar, b) Grappling, and c) Strength builds, I feel like 2024 feels a lot better.

[humble cairn]

Pretty uncommon and it has plenty of applications, especially if you're also considering out of combat.

[humble cairn]

The people I play with have all switched over and don't really look back, there's so many improvements.

[warm shore]

The only thing I’ve worried about is that I heard paladins got super nerfed in the new edition

[humble cairn]

But we do play with a lot of backwards compatibility, so we use non updated subclasses all the time.

[unkempt atlas]

THE ADVENTURES OF LEEF EPISODE SIX IS UNDERWAY

[humble cairn]

They did not! I played a paladin and it was great!

[humble cairn]

Please try not to use all caps, it messes with people's assistive tech.

[warm shore]

Who’s leef?

[unkempt atlas]

I apologize

[unkempt atlas]

My monk orc

Ive talked about some previous sessions before

[warm shore]

All monk players be chill af

[knotty pasture]

Flight as a racial ability is rare, flight in general not so because the level 3 spell Fly allows spellcasters to give anyone flight

[warm shore]

There’s nothing more satisfying than jumping opponents with my monk buddy

[unkempt atlas]

I try to be

[humble cairn]

What they did was take away the option to spam Divine Smite on every attack, which honestly was a goood thing for Paladin build diversity and viability, in my opinion. You don't get the same kind of nova damage builds you used to, but I'm not the kind to only look at Damage as a measure of how powerful a bulid is.

[knotty pasture]

There's also stuff like Wild Shaping into something with flight, Polymorph (but you may as well just cast Fly on someone)

[unkempt atlas]

Right now im disguised as a human in a kingdom because the place we are in are at war with a Legion of Orcs

[warm shore]

Damn 😭 guess I’m playing a wizard eladrin if I play on the new versions

I love stupid nova damage too much to let it go

[humble cairn]

Why's that?

[cobalt owl]

See their above sentence

[warm shore]

I can’t explain why, but the feel of burning three spell slots to smite three times in a row after using my bonus action to cast vow enmity or eldritch claw tatoo is the most satisfying thing ever for me

Also I’ve heard that eladrin has a lot of cool misty step effects and gimmicks so I’m interested in messing around with those

[humble cairn]

So you were a fan of the Sorcadin, perhaps?

Three times? Where were you getting a third attack?

[warm shore]

Haste

[humble cairn]

Ahh, ok.

[warm shore]

It’s a stupid spell, but I love it so much

[humble cairn]

Ever Quicken Hold Person and then Auto crit with max spell slot Divine Smites?

[warm shore]

Nah, I just enjoy playing resource management with smite slots and going crazy on single target damage against super dangerous enemies

[warm shore]

I’ve tried honestly, but somehow my hold person never works on enemies

Also, my party mainly fights giants and whatnot

[humble cairn]

Aww, no auto crits.

Anyway Paladin '24 is still very good damage, I would recommend trying it out.

[warm shore]

I def will at some point, if my next dm won’t let me play a chrono wizard, paladins def my second choice

[humble cairn]

My Glory Paladin on his flying steed throwing divine bolts from the sky was really fun.

[warm shore]

steeds are so goated

Eladrin seem really cool, but what I’m not getting is this, aren’t they just better elves?

[knotty vine]

i just found this from a 3rd party centaur why isnt this a real thing
Mountable. As a bonus action on your turn, you may
allow a single willing ally within 5 feet of you to hitch a
brief ride on your back. They are carried on your back
until the end of your turn, at which point they must disembark within 5 feet of you. While being carried, your
rider is not considered to be mounted and they are not
vulnerable to attacks of opportunity. Your rider must be
a bipedal creature of your size or smaller

[humble cairn]

They are Feywild Elves, why do you think they are better?

[knotty vine]

the teleport

[warm shore]

Auto misty step with the ability to charm enemies

[knotty vine]

its not just charm they can do 4 things depending on what season they pick

[humble cairn]

On a very limited basis. It's not OP or anything.

[knotty vine]

if you pair it with something like new archfey warlock it can be very annoying

you can get up to 6 teleports per long rest with pointbuy

[warm shore]

Shadar Kai is op tho right?

[humble cairn]

I mean they're neat, but that wouldn't just make me want to play them over other species every time.

[warm shore]

I feel like that’s just universally agreed upon

[humble cairn]

Nah? I mean, again, neat. But not OP.

[knotty vine]

shader arent really op

[warm shore]

How tho

Resistance to all damage plus free teleports

[unkempt atlas]

Hi tasha

[umbral girder]

For like 6 rounds at most

[humble cairn]

Yeah, it's really nice, but isn't going to break anything.

[umbral girder]

Out of the 8 encounters a day that’s not much

[warm shore]

I’d love to play one, but I feel like I’d end up just making a reskinned Drizzt do’urden but from the shadowfell

Ah, I think I get where my misconceptions coming from now

[knotty vine]

archfey warlock can tp up to 5 times

[warm shore]

My dm runs like 2-3 encounters for each day

[humble cairn]

Yep, that'll get you situations in which the Long Rest builds dominate.

[knotty pasture]

Elves (including Half Elves) are all roughly the same level in strength

Besides the Dragonmarked Elves which are its own thing

[warm shore]

What are dragonmarks?

[cobalt owl]

Dragonmarks...

[warm shore]

I keep hearing people mention them but I don’t know what they are

[cobalt owl]

Eberron specific background/feat thing

[umbral girder]

Eberron Exclusive

[woven flint]

Magical birthmarks, pretty much

[cobalt owl]

Give em a read. They're cool but also more powerful than others

[knotty pasture]

Yeah Eberron stuff, their gimmick is that if you're a spellcaster, they add a bunch of spells to your spell list

[umbral girder]

Basically some people game birthmarks from dragons that give certain abilities

[warm shore]

Isn’t that just sorcerer

With extra steps but as a feat

[woven flint]

Nope, anyone can have a dragonmark

[knotty pasture]

Its more of a racial trait

[cobalt owl]

Which is why most tables ban em

[woven flint]

its not a racial thing in 2024 rules

[humble cairn]

It's a whole thing about which lineage you come from and how their Dragonmark is themed.

[cobalt owl]

It's less powerful in 24 by virtue of it taking the background slot

[umbral girder]

Last session was amusing in one of my games. 2 Zombie Ogres, 4 Wraiths, 12 Zombies, 8 Skeletons in 1 encounter.

[cobalt owl]

1 use of spirit guardians and you win

[warm shore]

I’m def leaning towards playing an elven wizard then for my next campaign, but I don’t know what type of elf 😭 anyone got any suggestions based on their own experiences of what was fun?

[umbral girder]

Next are the Zombie Beholders

[knotty pasture]

Like basically any kind works lol

[umbral girder]

Of course they are their own encounter while the other one was a big encounter

Tokii getting a lot of work with that Mace of Disruption

[humble cairn]

From my experience? I've played a High Elf and a Wood Elf and both were fun. My suggestion would be to play something different and try a Sea Elf, though.

[woven flint]

Elves are overrated /half-joking

[knotty vine]

Your patron grants you the ability to move between the boundaries of the planes. You can cast Misty Step without expending a spell slot a number of times equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of once), and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest.

[warm shore]

If it makes you feel any better, my other choice was a plasmoid monk 😭

I’m just trying to pick a race with abilities I can actually use, cause for my campaign rn I’m a changeling paladin

Which sounded good on paper, but in practice isn’t really that useful

[humble cairn]

Species abilities don't usually make or break a build, they're not meant to.

[still prairie]

whats the best part about being a dm

[humble cairn]

The opportunity to collaborate with your group to build and run a whole world, it's a massive exercise in creativity. Personally speaking, of course.

[still prairie]

im planning to run my first session with my family, im going to preparing rn

[knotty pasture]

Wood is nice, or do one of the Elf subraces that have some kind of built in teleport like Eladrin

Can't go wrong with more mobility

[umbral girder]

The sheer panic and uncertainty you can get with saying “Are you sure?”

[echo meteor]

i find it funny how the undead in D&D doesn't just arise for "no reason" if you find zombies in crypts, caves, ruins, or wherever... they are actually relics of the past. Some wizard cast "animate dead" on the corpses. They are either, actively under control of a wizard... OR, the wizard died/abandoned them. Those zombies could just "stick around" for centuries or more until some adventurers come by to dispose of them

[buoyant oar]

The best part about being a DM is watching your players Immerse themselves in your story.

[echo meteor]

or "shrodinger's plot" they think of what the story could be, and the DM decides thats what the plot was all along

[finite goblet]

Is it within the rules to ask where I can buy good quality dice? I have a drakewarden ranger I'd like to get some dice for, and everything I'm finding on google is either crazy expensive or not exactly what I want.

[buoyant oar]

Chessix

Or you can buy the mathematically best dice of all time. Game Science Dice.

[bronze wave]

I use Amazon

It’s like 10-18 bucks so

I always buy metal ones

[umbral girder]

They actually can arise for no reason fun fact. The Shadowfell sometimes just leaks into the material plane sometimes per the DMG

[echo meteor]

you can argue that THAT is the reason... but yeah, i get your point where it sometimes doesnt need some intelligent being behind it. alot of it usually is.

[finite goblet]

I'm not a fan of metal dice tbh. I'm always worried about damaging things because of how heavy they are.

[buoyant oar]

Far funnier is one of Elminster's duties as a Chosen of Mystra is to put magic items in Dungeons for Adventurers to find.

This work took up much of his time in the service of Mystra, these days, at her bidding, Elminster travelled Faerûn visiting ruins and the tombs of dead mages, planting 'old' scrolls, spellbooks, minor enchanted items, and even the occasional staff for later folk to find… and all such leavings were in truth items she'd just finished Grafting, and made to look old.

[echo meteor]

i hear "tombs of old mages" and i think zombies/undead and bunch of traps that summon elementals, feys, shadows, etc

[buoyant oar]

Someone had to grease the hinges on the scythe trap, and rebalance the spring in the pressure plate

[echo meteor]

i mean, you can have spells like "glyph of warding" placed into a room that triggers when someone enters the room, which summons an elemental that gets ordered to attack the person

[umbral girder]

It is interesting that Elminster is no longer a chosen of mystra

Wonder what he does now,

[lavish flame]

you can get unchosen?

[echo meteor]

or a teleport trap with "Glyph of Warding" + "Scatter"

[buoyant oar]

It's hard work for old El. When he isn't visiting Ed of the Greenwood, drinking all of his wine, Dr. Pepper and being Father Christmas.

[umbral girder]

According to Adventures of Faerun yes.

The new book called him a "Former Chosen of Mystra"

[buoyant oar]

Yep. It just calls him Former Chosen of Mystra. And other than his spell he is not featured in the book at all.

[flint ledge]

I mean I suppose makes some sense that you can get unchosen

[buoyant oar]

Even his tower run down and boarded up.

[umbral girder]

The two things the book does, he is unemployed and has a spell, maybe homeless.

[flint ledge]

I do wonder what he did to get unchosen

[umbral girder]

Well his Mystra did die and didn’t comeback. Or he quit.

[buoyant oar]

It's probably the last vestige of Ed Greenwood's last Plot he wrote for WotC. Death Masks, and Spellstorm were his last novels and were supposed to kick off the Chosen Heirs series about passing on mantles of responsibility to the next generation of heroes.

But the series was cancelled and Ed and WotC don't talk.

[tame rose]

is it js me or do online dnd games feel less fun than in person games?

[buoyant oar]

It's a personal preference thing.

[livid owl]

For me it's the opposite, but I'm chronically online lmao

Seems very personal preference-y

[humble cairn]

Personal preference. I like both!

[tame rose]

its probably different if ur playing with new people id assume, im js running a game for my irl buddies

[lavish flame]

where does it say Elminster's no longer a Chosen of Mystra? I'm only seeing his name 5 times across the 2 books and 2 of those instances are "A Town claims to have a relative of his"

[flint ledge]

I personally only do online though I guess it's personal preference

[lavish flame]

one of them is even his name in a list of Chosens of Mystra

[buoyant oar]

Forgotten Realms: Adventures in Faerûn
Chapter 2: The Dalelands
Shadowdale
Shadowdale Town
Sage of Shadowdale

A great archmage and former Chosen of Mystra, Elminster lived in a former windmill on the southern edge of the Old Skull. The humble, three-story structure, covered in vines and magically restored after being nearly destroyed by assassins serving Shar, has been locked up and abandoned for a decade now. Elminster hasn’t been seen in all that time.

[umbral girder]

That’s the line yep.

In the chapter about the Dalelands.

In Shadowdale I believe

Oh hey same time as that edit

[lavish flame]

preesh8 it boss

ddb search was being ddb search

[buoyant oar]

It's okay. Both books while good are pretty inconsistent with themselves and could have used either a more skilled editor or more editing time.

Sections of Damara repeat word for word Sword Coast of Adventurers Guide from 2015.

[forest agate]

Is it an annoyance to a dm if I play druid in public one shots?

[humble cairn]

No? Why?

[forest agate]

I thought it’d be too many things to keep track of and much more delay in my turns

[humble cairn]

Druid doesn't automatically mean many things to keep track of. Are you talking about the Conjure Animal spell in specific?

Because if you play with the most up to date rules, that spell no longer puts a whole lot of NPCs on the field.

[forest agate]

How did conjure animal get changed?

I wasn’t talking about conjure animal specifically but I would suppose thats the most annoying one

[humble cairn]

You now conjure an area of spectral animals that has an effect.

Most likely for the very reason you're talking about.

[forest agate]

I’m new to this, so essentially I can control another spirit for utility, no?

[knotty pasture]

I summon 16 animals for a measly cost of one level 5 spell slot!

[humble cairn]

Yes, that is the flavor, but the mechanics are that is is a damaging area that you can move around.

[knotty pasture]

Absolute comedy (not) for the dm

[forest agate]

💀 oh well I am playing one shots and its level 3 so it should be fine

[humble cairn]

You won't even have access to Conjure Animals at that level.

Summon Beast you will have access to, and it's a neat spell. You summon one creature that scales up with your casting stat and the spell slot you use to summon it.

[forest agate]

Oh is wild companion not the same thing?

💀 oh.

Nvm then lmao

[humble cairn]

No, wild companion let's you summon a Familiar, which is also great, but it cannot attack.

[unkempt atlas]

This has been an incredibly emotional session

[forest agate]

I see

I want to try druid cus I enjoy intelligence/wisdom checks and it just sounds fun to cast so many spells and use many things with a great amount of possibilities

[humble cairn]

It is! Druids are great fun!

Especially since you can swap your entire spell list every day.

[forest agate]

True

But spell lists don’t really change for one shots right? Like usually you just pick your spell list for the session at the start

[unkempt atlas]

We lost our wyrmling guys😭

It was devastating losing him, we were trailing an assassin during a combat encounter, he used monster handling and took our wyrmling

[rough basalt]

Yep

A long rest in a one shot would definitely be an outlier ime

[forest agate]

Right…

[humble cairn]

Depends on whether you get Long Rests or not. One shot just means one session, it doesn't mean only one day in game time.

[forest agate]

Right

[echo meteor]

Well, tbf you cant exactly tame a wild beast with a roll of "animal handling" anyways

its usally just used to calm them down, stop them from attacking you or, even temporarily becoming your ally. But thats different from "taming" them

to truly tame a wild beast, you'd probably need to spend MONTHS to YEARS bonding with it

[flint ledge]

Usually I only let creatures get tamed if they were raised by the party with some occasional exceptions

[echo meteor]

yeah, party usually doesnt have the time to go to the same forest repeatedly every day for YEARS to meet and befriend/care for the creature that is nesting there

the campaign would have ended by that point, or the plot would have moved on

[forest agate]

What is a moon druid’s powerspikes?

[unkempt atlas]

He wasnt wild, he was sentient, so an actual character we had with us for a few days before he was kidnapped

[humble cairn]

I don't remember all the beast statblocks, but Moon Druid gets access to a new CR of beast every 3 levels. 3, 6, 9 etc. Access to 3rd level spells at 5th level is a spike for every full caster.

[forest agate]

I see. Thanks. Cus I heard druids have level spikes and get better for like level 2 then 5 then 18 and stuff

[humble cairn]

Ohhh .. that would be 2014 Druid then? Because in 2014 they get their subclass at 2, but in 2024 everyone gets their subclass at 3.

[forest agate]

Ahhh I see ok

Well druids still get wild shape at level 2

[humble cairn]

At that point it's not really a combat enhancer.

More of a Utility thing.

[forest agate]

I see

[humble cairn]

Also you asked about Moon Druid and they wouldn't be a Moon Druid.

[forest agate]

Right. They’d just be druid according to 2024 yes?

[humble cairn]

Yes

[forest agate]

What do most public/private parties use now? 2014 or 2024

[humble cairn]

I don't know, but I do know more and more people are using 2024.

[forest agate]

I see. I purchased a 2024 and plan to pick it up this week

[humble cairn]

It was improvements in 90%+ of cases.

[forest agate]

Is the monster manual important? If I want to keep playing druid? Or can I just use beyond dnd version

[humble cairn]

If you're playing online chances are someone in your group might be sharing.

[lavish flame]

If you've got the PHB, then most relevant monster statblocks are included in the PHB

[forest agate]

Offline

[lavish flame]

Animals for example are in the PHB

[forest agate]

Oh really? So most wild shape forms are included?

[flint ledge]

I think one of the things I found meh in 2024 is the wildshape changes actually, sure I understand it was strong but I personally liked wildshape being an actual option in combat

[lavish flame]

yeah nost basic animals are there

[forest agate]

Ah okay got it

[humble cairn]

Are you talking for Moon Druids or others? Because for Moon Druids it's absolutely combat worthy and for other druids, Wild Shape wasn't really combat worthy in 2014 either.

[forest agate]

Just to clarify does wild thorns apply cc unless enemies move off of the thorns?

[lavish flame]

you'll want the Monster Manual for like... Dinosaurs and fantastical animals and shit like that, but ur PHB should serve u for a good while

[flint ledge]

The others cause moon druid wildshape is still viable

[forest agate]

Ah okay. I’m still beginner for now I can keep my hands off of the MM

[humble cairn]

Wild Shape is not really combat worthy for non Moon Druids in 2014 either.

But you know what it does for non-Moon Druids? Acts as an easy source of THP that you can keep when shifting out.

As well as great Utility, as usual.

[flint ledge]

That's true you can get temp HP out of it

[humble cairn]

And Wild Shape not being combat capable for non-Moon Druids is the same as 2014.

[humble cairn]

Oh oh! There's one thing you can do as a 2024 Druid that you couldn't in 2014. Bonus Action shift to a deer for Opportunity Attack immunity.

Because everyone can bonus action Wild Shape now, not just Moon Druids.

[flint ledge]

I mean personally I think the extra hp pool was somewhat nice at least for early levels

But I suppose it makes more sense the way it is now

[humble cairn]

But now you can benefit from extra hp and cast. Just Wild Shape at the beginning of the day and you have THP.

It's not a lot of THP, but still.

[rough basalt]

One of my favorite changes

[spring glen]

only a few more days till my players dive into Undermountain 🙂

[rough basalt]

My Monday game is Bastion time, Wednesday is gonna fight a cube while dodging dust devils.

[remote wadi]

Part of me still wishes that a Dex based polearm existed

[glass granite]

Just be a monk/j
but I get your point

[lavish flame]

realllll

[cobalt owl]

Valdas has one, it's called a scythe

[knotty vine]

yall how would you beat sul ketish?

[lavish flame]

plane shift away

[knotty vine]

plane shifting people often forget to use plane shift you need to go to that plane first

[light zephyr]

drag it out of the antimagic field have a good str player and have them get her out of it

[knotty vine]

she could just fly out of grapple range or become too big to grapple

[lavish flame]

you just need a properly tuned tuning fork wym

[light zephyr]

Artifcer creations like dynamite/bombs

[knotty vine]

shes immune to non magical damage?

[light zephyr]

no?

[knotty vine]

Damage Immunities Poison; Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks

[hot gate]

attacks is the operative word

[knotty vine]

pretty sure a bomb would be a sort of attack

[hot gate]

No, that would be a save

[knotty vine]

thats.. still non magical damage

[hot gate]

Not from an attack though

[light zephyr]

so how many DM's have i played with that have used Sul Ketish wrong?

actually i literally just looked it up youre wrong

[knotty vine]

im looking at the stat block rn

[light zephyr]

explosives work on it

[knotty vine]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/486717-sul-khatesh

dont they do bludgeoning damage?

[light zephyr]

oh this is a different version of Sul Khatesh

my apologies

[knotty vine]

what other version would i be talking about 3e 😭

[light zephyr]

SHUSH IM DUMB

[knotty vine]

also couldnt she just become a Scion of Stronmaus and just crush whoever shes fighting

[light zephyr]

I dont like that thought I dont want my character crushed he dies enough to himself

[knotty vine]

honestly i feel like any scion could give a level 20 party a run for there money

they are the truest form of giant

guys are barbarian pissed off a phoenix and we have no clue how to get rid of it

[inner silo]

Is call lightning a good spell?

[rough basalt]

I'd say so.

[inner silo]

Using it on a hoard of goblins is probably really satisfying

[rough basalt]

It's pretty solid due to its recasting and lightning ain't as commonly resisted as Cold and Fire I think.

[inner silo]

Yup! Also it's a 60 ft radius compared to the usual 20

[foggy ice]

Hello! I am new to DnD. I wanted to play back when I was in the navy but the group had a DM who would kill people off immediately just because. I’m hoping to play my first full game

[hot gate]

Welcome!

[rough basalt]

That always sucks. Hope you find a good one.

[foggy ice]

That’s why I came here 😊

[hot gate]

It's one of the few spells that gets better in a specific circumstance (outdoors in a storm), so it gets bonus points for me purely for that

[foggy ice]

Hopefully I can find a group to play online with.

[hot gate]

You can check the #find-a-game to have a look around here, but this discord isn't the only place to find games.

[inner silo]

Yeah mechanics like that are really cool imo too. Also taking control of a whole storm sounds badass

[knotty vine]

sometimes you look at a statblock and just wonder "How is a player suppose to kill that"

[inner silo]

Hold monster->portent->4 divine smites

[hot gate]

High level pcs have tons of powerful features

[knotty vine]

LR

[inner silo]

For example rangers can now never lose concentration on hunters mark

[knotty vine]

new ranger is so meh

[inner silo]

Beast master is great

[rough basalt]

New Ranger is just Tashas Ranger but better

[hot gate]

Yep, pretty great

[rough basalt]

Just not flashy.

[knotty vine]

it being hyper focused on hunters mark is its main bane

[rough basalt]

And favored foe in Tashas was just HM but not a spell.

[hot gate]

Nobody's bothered that paladin is focused on smites

[knotty vine]

thats cause theres plenty of smites

[rough basalt]

You get plenty of HM too

[knotty vine]

theres only 1 hunters mark

[inner silo]

Should've let it lose concentration at like level 8-9 and then let it lose the ba transfer cost at 12-13. Also let it scale, increasing damage at like 8 and 15 and get a different capstone

[rough basalt]

You get PB bonus free castings per long rest

So you can drop it in favor of other conc spells if the situation calls for it.

[feral fulcrum]

WOTC was :_: They massacred my Divine Smite!

[rough basalt]

Good

[knotty vine]

idk genie paladin is still pretty goated

[inner silo]

Most of the times hm isn't the most optimal play. And it not scaling is a bummer (ignore the level 20 capstone)

[rough basalt]

I hated the smite changes before the books released but after I enjoy Paladins a lot more

[inner silo]

They just balanced it i think

[spring glen]

my player made a wizard ranger multiclass I got some weird players

[hot gate]

Yeah it was simply a matter of being too good of an option

[inner silo]

Sounds interesting for sure

[feral fulcrum]

Yes, and it was probably wise, but I want my Turbo Chainsaw Smite Murder Paladins baaaaack

[knotty vine]

it was just big burst damge dps

[rough basalt]

The spell smite changes were a good change as well

[knotty vine]

paladin was relaly strong

[rough basalt]

Removing conc on almost all of them and making them better

[inner silo]

Now other smites are also an option at least

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, nothing stopped you from using Divine smite and Another smite in 2014?

[rough basalt]

Like Branding being turned from basically useless 9/10 to Shining which is always useful 10/10

[rough basalt]

The smite spells sucking did

[spring glen]

3 of my 7 players are multiclassing

[feral fulcrum]

It wasn't a spell in 2014

[knotty vine]

not to mention smite can be used on thrown wepaons

[inner silo]

Yes, but other smites were not really worth it for the most part

[rough basalt]

Nah I'm talking stuff like Searing Smite

[burnt valley]

Thats why you multiclass into Warlock, the pact gives you more power but every time you are tempted to do any Smite spells at all, you lose a limb

[rough basalt]

Only Banishing, Staggering and Blinding were really worth a damn

[knotty vine]

banaishing

[feral fulcrum]

I mean the only part of Smite Spell sucking was that they took Concentration, that was it.

Their effects were otherwise, very fine.

[rough basalt]

Nah searing was especially bad

[inner silo]

Now searing competes in dpr with divine, especially when upcast

[rough basalt]

Cause you could just put out the fire

[knotty vine]

it took a creatures whole action no?

[rough basalt]

Not always

If there was water around you could just walk into it

[knotty vine]

wdym not always

[feral fulcrum]

So outside of hyper specific scenarios it was good?

[rough basalt]

It was passable. At level 1.
After that not worth using

[knotty vine]

i mean this is just my take but it says the fire cant be put out by water so

[feral fulcrum]

How often is water just sitting around for someone to handly douse themselves?

[rough basalt]

Fire damage, con save

[inner silo]

The save to get rid of searing smites fire was pretty easy, and the damage didn't scale

[feral fulcrum]

In 2014 it could be doused by water explicitly

" or if some other effect douses the flames (such as the target being submerged in water), the spell ends."

[inner silo]

Now the damage scales and iirc it's guaranteed to activate at least twice

[knotty vine]

i love how new paladin just gets a horse now

[rough basalt]

And some had concentration for literally no reason

[knotty vine]

for no reason

you can get some use out of mounted combat now

[rough basalt]

Thunderous Smite, you need concentration to stare at them being prone as they get up

[spring glen]

does a centar paladin get a human instead?

[feral fulcrum]

You talking about FInd Steed? It always had that?

[knotty vine]

yeah but now its built into the class

[rough basalt]

They just gave it for free cause why not.

Mounted combat is really good and underutilized imo

[feral fulcrum]

Provided you're using a decent mount

[knotty vine]

i mean how often are you fighting with enough room to use a mount

[feral fulcrum]

if your'e using a bad one then "Woops something farted in your general direction and it died."

[rough basalt]

The mobility and extra reach from the mount makes being a melee feel better.

[inner silo]

Also now paladins divine favour doesn't require concentration, so it's a much better hunters mark with a slightly smaller damage dice

[feral fulcrum]

Mounts provide Reach?

[knotty pasture]

Cavalier Fighters in shambles when their gimmick by lore is situational

[rough basalt]

Effectively.
Your melee reach matches the mounts

[knotty vine]

my friend was Cavalier fighter and i was a moon druid

you can prob guess how well we got along

[spring glen]

Moon druids are cool

[lofty pendant]

hello

[inner silo]

Hi

[knotty pasture]

Wall of meat literally

[rough basalt]

Nice thing about mounted combat is its pretty easy to keep replacing horses depending on the campaign

[knotty vine]

i took sentinal and he took mounted combat as well

[inner silo]

Does getting enemies wet affect ice/lightning spells?

[rough basalt]

Not unless specifically stated

[knotty pasture]

A bear on a horse

[knotty vine]

so he could force a creature to attack him and could get a free attack as a reaction

[rough basalt]

I have someone who has a mounted fighter.
So far I've killed one of his horses

[inner silo]

Mounted combat also gets one of the best weapons in the game

[knotty vine]

lance

[inner silo]

A 1 handed d12 reach weapon

[feral fulcrum]

Generally no, 5E's not that crunchy/indepth.

[rough basalt]

Using a Lance while riding a horse is fun.

[spring glen]

or a flail

[rough basalt]

My Monday fighter is gonna finally get a new mount.

[inner silo]

Bte create water can create drinkable water right?

[rough basalt]

Gonna tell him to drip that horse out in Plate armor

[knotty vine]

if your wearing adamantine and have a higher ac then the attack roll does it still hit?

[undone rain]

Hell yeah

[rough basalt]

Tho he's gonna need 6000gp

I'm sure he'll find it somewhere

[undone rain]

Horsey needs 18 ac too sometimes

[feral fulcrum]

Yes. it doesn't state that it's magically undrinkable water that punches its way out of your throat, so, yes.

[knotty vine]

angry water

[inner silo]

I just mean fresh water instead of sea water

[rough basalt]

Reminds me a level 1 in my Wednesday game got magic plate armor in session 1 at level 1

[knotty vine]

why would create water make sea water?

[feral fulcrum]

It doesn't specifiy salt water, so it's whatever you feel like

[inner silo]

Great!

[feral fulcrum]

ALl it specifies is that it's Clean Water

[rough basalt]

Cause of extraordinarily good rolls and some leverage

[undone rain]

I love the find steed spell. Lowkey my fav spell oat

[rough basalt]

He's now 1900gp in debt tho

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like he's going to get his knees broken

[rough basalt]

Yep, by the Unclothed Collectors

[feral fulcrum]

Naked kneecappers?

[undone rain]

I also like how find steed dosent have to be a horse it can be like any mount

[rough basalt]

They at least wear underwear. And a helmet.

[feral fulcrum]

Absolutely bizarre

[rough basalt]

Like the merchant that gave them the plate

It's a reoccurring gag from Elder Scrolls I stole for my new campaign lol

[inner silo]

Theoretically, could selling water in dnd be proffitable?

[knotty vine]

well yeah its called find steed not find horse

[rough basalt]

In a few of the games there's a Nord that for some reason lost his clothes except a helmet and underwear

[feral fulcrum]

Unless you're in a desert, and there's nobody already providing services, no :V

[knotty pasture]

The issue is the container

The base cost is gonna be high

[inner silo]

Dang

[rough basalt]

Selling water in my Wednesday game would be a good side hustle for a pc

But they might get nabbed in the night.

[feral fulcrum]

There's no reasonable, sane, "Get Rich Quick Schemes" In D&D

[knotty pasture]

And those that exist require tech, exploits or just being at a really high level (by then money matters a lot less)

[knotty vine]

i was about to say until you said sane

[rough basalt]

It is funny how my Wednesday game is my first game to have CWs and the first session was just sheer absurdity and goofiness after they left the city

So now there's multiple in character jokes and understandings

[feral fulcrum]

The fastest way to make money is to play the game. Go Loot Dungeons, beat up monsters for their shinies.

[rough basalt]

Because they keep running into weirdos in the desert they realize the Barbarians odd behavior is normal

[knotty vine]

man i wanna play a thri kreen but the dm is on the fence about it

[undone rain]

Holy shit it can be a mastiff

I CAN HAVE A DOG

[feral fulcrum]

You could always have a dog :V

[knotty vine]

i mean yeah but it would be large enough to mount

[rough basalt]

Reminds me.
I might be running Spelljammer at some point.

[undone rain]

Yeah but if it dies i can bring it back

[rough basalt]

Even tho I hate how lackluster it is

[feral fulcrum]

Revival Spells :V

[undone rain]

I dont have any:(

[knotty vine]

hmm yes spend 300 gold pieces to bring back an animal

[rough basalt]

It'd be funny if the plate dude died

[feral fulcrum]

Hope you're ready to invent everything on your own, for it's a Setting that's not a setting!

[rough basalt]

Cause then the merchant could raise his corpse to work off the debt.

[knotty vine]

i hate the revivfy spell

[undone rain]

I can mount it?

[feral fulcrum]

It's just a glorified Monster Splatbook with a five minute adevnture stappled in it.

[rough basalt]

True

Idk I just wanna do something.

[knotty vine]

by mounting rules the creature has to be 1 size larger then you to mount it

mastiffs are small or medium

[undone rain]

Oh so like a small race can

[knotty vine]

bingo

[undone rain]

Thought so, still cool tho

[rough basalt]

I wish I could focus on one idea for a third game.

But I can't willingly focus.

[undone rain]

Good spell all around tbh

[knotty vine]

The steed resembles a Large, rideable animal of your choice, such as a horse, a camel, a dire wolf, or an elk.

[undone rain]

Lol a camel. Give em armor and you got a war camel

[knotty vine]

i do like how much they upgraded the find steed spell as well

like how you can make it frighten someone (fiend)
heal someone (celestial)
or teleport (fey)

[undone rain]

Wow thats cool

[unkempt atlas]

Dnd session was so intense i got an irl nosebleed

[undone rain]

Fey warhorse could work for flavor for an oath of ancients paladin. Yk green knights and all

[knotty vine]

would be awesome its slam attack would also do psy damage

[rough basalt]

Maybe it'll be the work I'm looking for.

Cause I need to do something so I don't give into the darkest urge a dm can give into. /j

[undone rain]

Thats awesome. Who wouldve thought even mounts can have flavor

[undone rain]

Oh damn you alr buddy?

[unkempt atlas]

Yes, it was just super intense, we fought a wendigo for an irl 45 minutes

[undone rain]

Damn, welcome to dnd.

[unkempt atlas]

And my partner has wendigo fatuge or whatever yoy call it

[undone rain]

I like how my dnd party recommended me to play smth other then paladin and i just chose fighter lol

[unkempt atlas]

We are currently on a side mission to save a kidnapped party member

[cerulean beacon]

So I’m not exactly sure where I should ask this, but I play an artificier in a game where I am allowed to make items given time and money additionally, if we’re particularly lucky, we can buy magic items. So the question is are there any items that protect against madness? There is an opponent whom I would like to keep alive that has had modified memory cast upon them many times and I have a slight suspicion that several months of overlapping, modify memory along with some other things might cause madness is there an item that can prevent madness?

A periapt of health equivalent

[flint ledge]

Well if the madness was going to happen in the future I would have suggested a ring of mind shielding maybe but if it's already in progress I'm unsure if a magic item can help

[hot gate]

Madness, as per the 2014 dmg, can be cured by lesser restoration. Remove curse or dispel evil and good might also work. If the character suffers from an indefinite madness, greater restoration is required. So look for items that can do that.

[still plover]

Cloak of protection, anything that can boost saving throws?

It's not an area well covered and it really depends on how the DM is running mental instability.

[cerulean beacon]

I want to be proactive I would ideally like to put the item on them before a cast greater restoration

[silk hare]

stone of good luck

[cerulean beacon]

Basically, I am under the impression that this character has been under so many mind altering effects that something bad might happen so I want an extra layer of insurance

[silk hare]

kill them and cast true resurrection

[hot gate]

I don't think anything straight up prevents it, but calm emotions might stop the effects of it for the duration.

[cerulean beacon]

Yeah, I’m thinking calm emotions into greater restoration. That means I have to find a tattoo of greater restoration.

[silk hare]

also has your dm hinted as to using variant ruleslike that or sth?

bc if they WANT them to go mad, they WILL go mad

[cerulean beacon]

My DM uses homebrew, but he is open to my creative overthinking

[coarse vector]

Just got done playing a game where my Dm didn’t let me use sneak attack when I had an ally flanking while invisible, is this common, when I looked it up it didn’t seem so. Kinda ruins my whole thing cus the only other melee only come melee when he is invisible.

[cerulean beacon]

I understand why he would say the sneak attack while the person next to them is invisible doesn’t work on the other hand. Do we really need to punish martials?

[silk hare]

flanking should still be possible, so it seems a bit "unfair", yes

[still plover]

No, that's a bad call. Visibility is not a requirement for that clause.

[hot gate]

It's a bit of a funky interaction, but yeah, since advantage and disadvantage cancel out, you should still have been able to sneak attack (given flanking)

I assume your DM is using the optional flanking gives advantage rule

[cerulean beacon]

Actually, if you have disadvantage at all, I believe that means sneak attack isn’t available

[humble cairn]

Who specifically was invisible in this scenario? You (the rogue), your target, or your flanking ally?